Re: [newbie] is this the last mandrake?
Frankie wrote: Hi guys, I bought APC magazine here in Australia recently, and they had a huge linux article comparing all the major distros for desktop use... They didn't rate mdk9 all that highly, (same score as redhat8 and behind lycros and the latest lindows, but ahead of SUSE and all the others) Anwyay, in the article they mentioned that 9.1 was likely to be mandrakes last distro.. they said mandrake had committed to 9.1 but after that all bets are off.. Anyone know if thats true?? is there some mdk release that I have failed to read?? I hope like hell I don't have to go elsewhere, but if I do, it might as well be sooner rather then later They rated Mandrake behind Lindows and Lycoris? Lycoris is bare! You get very little. Plus the applications are outdated. It's good for newbies coming from Windows. Lindows has no security, since all users have root rights and you have to pay for programs that come free with the other distros. It is a terrible buy for the money. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]WalMart Box - was ISA Ethernet Card
On Friday 06 September 2002 02:12 pm, you wrote: Anne, I haven't found anything yet that doesn't work. (Not including games ;-) Miark I too have a few essential win98 apps. I looked at Wine, but there's a list on their pages of apps that run and those known not to - and guess what? none of mine run. I had a look at the win4lin site, but couldn't see any such compatibility list. Is there one? I'll happily pay if there's a reasonable chance of getting them working, but it's just a waste if they don't. Anne RealPlayer doesn't work too well. Some of those Home Design programs don't work well either because of the lack of DirectX. I imagine Encarta will really suck on Win4Lin. OTOH - every program that I have not found a Linux replacement has worked well on Win4Lin. For instance, Quicken is supposedly supported on CodeWeavers Office, but it is not 100 percent. Plus it runs really flakey on Wine. I could not trust my financial data on it. Quicken on Win4Lin runs like a champ. You may want to post a list of apps that you want to run on Win4Lin, to see if anyone elase has tried it. -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Red Hat, Mandrake and SuSE Linux user 24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day - coincidence? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screensaver
On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 23:32, shane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 14 August 2002 6:35 pm, Jose Mirles did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I would like to use xscreensaver in Windowmanager under Mandrake 8.2. My question is, how to I create a menu entry to lock the screen when I want to? rather than a menu entry, try right clicking the taskbar, go to add applet lock/logout. that should give you a nice little button to lock the screen (as well as logout) on the taskbar by the system tray area. Oops! I meant Window Maker. -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Red Hat, Mandrake and SuSE Linux user 24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day - coincidence? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Screensaver
I would like to use xscreensaver in Windowmanager under Mandrake 8.2. My question is, how to I create a menu entry to lock the screen when I want to? Also, how stop the engery saving features while in Window manager? Can I use the tools in KDE? -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Red Hat, Mandrake and SuSE Linux user 24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day - coincidence? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] AOL CD-RW problem
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:08:27 -0700 AOL Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just want to askI have a LG CD-RW I want to used it in my Linux machine wat software will i need to burn my cd's and does it need a driver before I can used it?What else will I consider to run my CDRW on my Linux machine Thanks! any help will gladly appreciated. I also have a LG CDR/RW on my Linux box. Mandrake picked it up with no problems. I didn't have to do anything to get it picked up. It also loaded X-CD-Roast. However It loaded it twice along with the supporting software. really wierd, I have two different version. I guess I will have to go to menudrake and see which version is being used and delete the other. But to answer your question, Mandrake handles LG CDR/RW automatically. You have your choice on burning software. Try them all and stick with the one you like. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suse vs Mandrake
Brian York wrote: In October i started my exploration of Linux with Redhat wanting to try the major distrobutions in the span of a year to see which i liked the best. I have been running Mandrake for 3 months now and find it better than redhat. Suse is the last distro that i want to try before i go back to college next fall. Since it does cost money i would like to know that it is as good as Mandrake. I am going to buy Suse 8.0 when it comes out at the end of april. Is there any Suse 7.3 users out there that would try to convince me to use Suse instead of Mandrake. The reason i ask is because i know there is a few people on this list that use Suse. If someone has Suse 7.3 and has a high speed connection setup an ftp and let me download ISOs of the discs to see if i like it. I would feel more confident in paying for it which doesn't bother me if its a quality product (one reason why i never bought a copy of M$ windows, hehe) if i like it then i will but 8.0. Should i get professional or standard? I used Suse 7.3, but went back to Mandrake. Suse is a quality product, but Mandrake rpm's are much, MUCH easier to find. You can get updated Mandrake rpm from a ton of places. Suse rpms are much more difficult to find. Suse is an excellent distro, that just never really caught on. In some ways it is better than Mandrake, in others it is not. You may also want to try Lycrois (formerly Redmond Linux) and ELX. -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said Windows 2000 or higher required, so I used Mandrake Linux... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 8.2 Installer Keyboard Problems
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 09:31, SleepyFolkz wrote: I was recently trying to install 8.2 on a friends computer. She has a half year old dell with a black keyboard. The keyboard stops working as soon as the Installer is Loaded. Does anyone know why or how I can fix this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Is it one of those Internet keyboards? -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said Windows 2000 or higher required, so I used Mandrake Linux... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New silly Question. ;) Recommend good file manager?
On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 21:09, James Thomas wrote: Nautilus in Gnome isn't bad, it's just resource intensive and full of a lot of fluff you don't need - just use the options to disable it and you'll find it's not bad at all. James I need a semi-decent one. KDE uses Konqueror, and I tried GWC?... for enlightenment. I hated GWC *or whatever its called*. Any ideas? :) Right now I have the default SU FM and thats it in Enlightenment. KDE has Krusader which is a Norton Commander clone and for generic X Windows, try XWC. It's a lot like windows explorer, but better. -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said Windows 2000 or higher required, so I used Mandrake Linux... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CrossoverWine for Office
poogle wrote: Probably start another lengthy thread here but I see that Codeweavers now have a crossover that allows MS Office (including Outlook partly) to run under Linux. I can't decide whether this is a good thing or not, on the one hand it blows away a lot of the arguments against migrating an office environment to Linux but on the other hand it could harm the excellent work done by the developers of KOffice, Gnumeric, Abiword and similar projects. Personally I would find it hard to put an Office CD into the tray and install it into Mandrake, just doesn't seem right somehow Somehow, it just doesn't seem necessary either. Star Office 6 and OpenOffice are really good. But if you use Access alot, I could see where the it would be handy. I am glad CodeWeaver is doing this. Frankly, I could see a company starting out with it and then moving to Star Office once the features catch up. Now if CodeWeavers would form partnerships with software companies like Intuit in order to create CodeWeavers Quicken and CodeWeavers TurboTax, I'll buy it! -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said Windows 2000 or higher required, so I used Mandrake Linux... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Quicken clone
On Monday 25 March 2002 09:50, you wrote: I am trying to find a clone for Quicken. Gnucash is said to be one but it does not offer the check writing/printing that Quicken does. Does anybody know of either a shareware or commercial check printing program for Linux, so that I don't have to reformat my disks and re-install that dreaded windows?? Have a look at MoneyDance or Kapital. MoneyDance is a Java app and pretty good. Does check printing and whatnot and the author is very supportive. Kapital is an on coming Quicken clone for KDE. Looks great, but not everything works at the moment. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to best support Mandrake
On Monday 18 March 2002 07:36, you wrote: One thing I don't understand is how people have interpreted Mandrakesoft's request for people to join the Mandrake Club as a plea for charity to keep an ailing company afloat. It is no such thing. The Mandrakesoft web page clearly shows Mandrake's financial details (as a public company, this is mandatory). They expect a profit by the end of the year, but at their current cash burn rate (which isn't extravagant, BTW) they can't do so without making some redundancies. This is how I interpreted the press release: While we are on track to post a profit by year-end, this cannot currently be done without losing some valuable employees. These members have made a substantial contribution towards the development of free software both within and outside of Mandrakesoft, and we would like to continue sponsoring them so that they can continue this fine work. To achieve this, we kindly request that Mandrake users join the Mandrake Club (http://www.mandrakeclub.com/). A standard Mandrake Club membership only costs $US5 a month and offers supurb value for money (http://mandrakelinux.com/en/club/). In addition to these benefits, you will be helping to support the continued development of the best GNU/Linux distribution around. I like the way you phrased it better. It makes a lot of sense. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] GNUCash vs ?
On Monday 11 March 2002 21:12, you wrote: Hi, Area there any other checkbook programs available. I tried GNUCash, but have a hard time getting used to it. I like the way Quicken or Money works. The GNUCash seems backwards to me. Have a look at MoneyDance or Kapital Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Viewing Linux partition from Windows
On Wednesday 06 March 2002 03:16, you wrote: Hi, I'm currently running dual-booting Windows with Mandrake, which are on seperate physical drives. Is there any way I can get terminal access into Linux from within Windows without rebooting?? I wonder if you could use VNC to access the other drive. They do have a Windows client as well as a Linux one. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Couple of questions
I have a couple of questions, I would appreciate an answer to. 1. My current PC setup is a PIII, 800mhz PC with 256mb of ram, dual 20gb hard drives and an ATI Xpert PCI graphics card (8b of video ram). I have a printer and cable modem access on a Linksys cable router. My question - could I drop back to a 2.2.? kernel with no ill affects? What did I gain with the 2.4.? kernel on my systems? 2. Using the family's PC I can tag a bunch of MP3's files, burn them to a cd as .wavs in Nero. Can X-CD-Roast do that? If so, how? If not X-CD-Roast, then which one? I would like to burn audio cd's on my Linux box (v8.1) -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said Windows 2000 or higher required, so I used Mandrake Linux... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 19:15, Dave Sherman wrote: On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:55, Walter Logeman wrote: I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a problem. on my 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are too small and i cant change them. It seems they are set in another program sawfish? Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font sizes for Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). I use Gnome on my RedHat box and KDE on my Mandrake box. I find KDE easier to configure. KDE looks tons better than Gnome. KDE apps are more polished as well. Gnome looks more work like and has some very powerful network tools. My Redhat box is at work so I use Gnome there. But I have been trying out Window Maker and oh-my-God! I think I am in love. KDE and Gnome seem so slow now. I may make the switch to it after I try it out a bit more. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] hotmail
I found this tip on http://www.pclinuxonline.com/ I believe it is the solution you want for reading emails at Hotmail.com. BTW - Hotmail.com does not support pop3. The server used for Outlook Express is an HTTP server with the address of http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp Won't work in Kmail Look for a file called *prefs.js* in your *.mozilla* directory Open the file with a text editor Place the following line at the bottom of the file *user_pref(general.useragent.override, Mozilla/9.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0 ; Windows 98 ));* Save the file and restart Mozilla. Onur Kucuk wrote: OK Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc If OK so what is the POP3 adress ? ... OK JH Sure does. I forget what the POP3 is, but is on the site. Nothing about it on neither the help section or settings. There is one, that makes hotmail check other pop sites like your isp's pop account and adds to the hotmail one. If I missed it, please show me. JH I have never really tried it in Kmail. So i will not make any promises. I had given kmail just as an example of non ms related mail clients because I am looking for a normal/real pop server. JH But I do know I have alot of users on my network that do it through Outlook. That does not mean hotmail has a pop server. It is, I believe, nothing more than another MS' style ignore all the other, and do our stuff secretly, so no one can know what we do, or no one else can use it. I tried on some guess for a pop server in the name, and found only pop.hotmail.com to be existent. It used to be a normal pop server actually, back in the old days, 3-4 years ago, when hotmail was running non MS os. The machine, though, seems to be ignoring everything. telnet to port 110 gave me nothing, also the nmap. Up to here, nothing proves me hotmail has a pop server. Any other ideas are welcome. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Open source hits back?
Dude, read the whole article. The last paragraph is used to explain the joke. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i just read this article and i am incredible disturbed by what i read. Either this guy (the one who wrote this article) is unbelievable stupid or he's a paid MS crony. Basically, what he's suggesting is to bark back at the dog that barks at you. Figure that one out!! What exactly is what the open source is trying to accomplish? Compete with M$ or be a better, more reliable option for people who use computers? mandrake 8, gnone, ximian, gnucash, staroffice are excellent examples of the way open source can outperform microshit products. Adopting, like the author suggests, microshit strategies will further alianate the few windows users interested in knowing more about linux. At best this is a bad idea with good intentions, and at worst, an attempted of ms cronies to divide the open source community skinky wrote: Got this link on another mailing list - thought someone might find it interesting. Not such a bad idea. http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/9787.html Cheers skinky _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] LimeWire Installation
In order to get LimeWireOther to work follow these steps Download Sun's latests JRE Install Sun's JRE Get LimeWireOther Run /usr/java/jre1.31/bin/java -classpath LimeWireOther.zip install This is assuming you accepted all the default paths in the JRE That should do it! On Friday 29 June 2001 21:10, Jon Doe wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2001 03:39 pm, you wrote: Yah, download the Other package and make sure you have the JRE on your system, and follow the instructions for installing . I never did get the linux package to install. Good luck, I couldn't get the Other package to work either. I did get gtk-gnutella to install though.
Re: [newbie] curious ....
I don't think it is a matter of perference as much as it is a matter of what Linux really is. Linux is a networking os just like any UNIX or UNIX clone. Whwn dealing with networking OSes, you need user groups, root access, etc. We can write to each other all we want about changing how Linux works, but folks, Windows 2000 has its users, user group, administrator (root), etc. Anytime you deal with an networking OS you will have all of that. COuld they make a single user version of Linux? No. Linux is POSIX compliant and it will lose that in the change. Even though we are all newto Linux, don't you think we owe it to the Linux community in general to read up on it and see what it is all about, instead of just jumping in and then thrashing it because it isn't Windows? On Sunday 01 July 2001 14:10, tazmun wrote: I echo Judith's concerns 100 %. I think there are many here who desperately want to keep Linux as sort of an elite OS(and free) status that eliminates many users simply because of it's complexity. To keep Linux where it is right now...maybe that works and maybe it doesn'tbut to companies that are trying to promote Linux like Mandrake who eventually hope to make a buck somewhere along the line, I think they will fold their tent and go elsewhere if progress is not being made, and by progress I mean becoming a serious competitor for windoze. Not only for the OS but also the desktop. To do this we have to go with mainstream user concepts I think which I feel the other writer, Judith, is a fairly good representative of. But it goes beyond my preferences to just plain common business sense in my opinion. Unfortunately the part we all hate is hiding around this corner too, just like windoze it will be all about dollars. But with real competition at least it hopefully won't get out of control like Microsoft did. Tazmun - Original Message - From: Judith Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] curious I'm wondering about FreeBSD or MAC OS X any potential competition there? ... any way to combat the OS monopolistic intent of M$? I installed my first Linux OS about 10 days ago on a spare computer (headed for my grandchildren soon) so I could try it out before I put in a dual boot with Win 98SE on my real computer in my home office. I liked it enough that I did install Mandrake 8 on my home office computer a week ago. The spare computer will have its hard drive wiped and I'll put back 98SE before the computer goes to the grandchildren (ages 5, 3, and 7 months). I am a very experienced and proficient Windows user but have no interest in doing my own programming. I dislike command lines and want a well-designed, stable, flexible GUI that leaves me in charge of my own computer. I am fed up with Microsoft, which becomes more and more oppressive and aggressive, and I fervently hope never to buy another Microsoft OS. However, I have work to do and any alternative OS has to let me do what I need to and want to without a lot of hassles. I run a small nonprofit organization, so I have to do general office things like maintain a small database, design new, small databases as needed, manage finances through Quicken, use a small spreadsheet once a year, do business correspondence, maintain Web pages, design posters for publicity, and write and produce lots of publications, such as newsletters, brochures, pamphlets, and booklets. For personal use, I need an up-to-date e-mail client and a few up-to-date Web browsers, I use Mastercook for my recipe collection, I do a lot of graphics work with CorelDraw, Photoshop LE, Photoshop Elements, PhotoPaint, other graphics programs, I have a serious greeting card hobby and have 11 greeting card programs for ideas and a source of graphics and verses (I make the actual cards in CorelDraw). I have numerous other consumer-type programs, several dictionaries and encyclopedias and other reference works, over 2000 Type 1 and TrueType fonts, and a large collection of photos and clip art. Unless I can run these things or their equivalents under Linux, I'll always need a Windows partition. I really want Linux to work out as a desktop system for me. I think it has the potential, but so far my experience is that Linux-on-the-desktop is incomplete, has rough edges all over the place, and is desperately unfriendly once you have to get beneath the surface. Its geeky origins are obvious and frankly, Linux will never make it to the mainstream unless it is shepherded by developers who comprehend and enthusiastically embrace what normal people want in the interface to their OS. From my almost-two-weeks of membership on this list, I am seeing confirmed what I've noticed time after time on anything related to Linux: its biggest boosters live in a world of their own,
Re: [newbie] curious ....
The experts agree that splitting would be bad. You would wid up with two gaint powerhouses rather than one. I think that fining them ten billion dollars would do the trick, Then double it everytime they are violate any agreements. They may be the richest company out there, but they have shareholders to answer too. On Sunday 01 July 2001 20:23, Franki wrote: The reason they don't want to be split, is because then their application branch would be forced to compete with their competitors on an even footing, and no more bundling Microsoft versions of competitors apps in the windows OS, since their current app people would no longer be working for the same company that writes the windows OS that was the idea behind spliting up Ms.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeanette Russo Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 7:19 AM To: Rita F. Koenigs; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious Well the breakup was supposed to be a remedy for M$ business cut throat business practices and antitrust violations. Looks like it is not going to happen now. Jeanette - Original Message - From: Rita F. Koenigs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] curious At this time I see no objective reason for splitting up Microsoft ... what purpose will it serve? And why is Bill Gates so dead-set against it? What's the threat? Is it just a comfort-level thing? A nuisance change that he's concerned about? Or is it a huge threat to their monopoly? In fact, the remedy is seen as tepid by some people who are not M$ fans. Perhaps the latest suit is not a strong one are there ones that are? But litigation is such a slow and contentious process, I just think M$ is able to play that game better than anyone else (sounds painfully familiar). Has anyone really figured out a market that hasn't been tapped yet, within the industry, that Microsoft hasn't and will not be able to steal? Maybe better innovation is the answer, not litigation. Just wondering. The only real desktop option out there is the Mac thinking of kids, adults, etc and it seems that there needs to be more of an effort by others to become more user-friendly. There just doesn't seem to be a huge market out there for power users or even curious users who are willing to struggle through what seems like techie, hard-to-understand-on-a-higher-level-than it says so in the manual attempts to solve *many wierd techie problems. It's a shame about the IMAC not cutting it for people beyond the fanatical ... what are you basing that opinion on, besides what you see personally? I would *love to see a product that will give a lot of people a highly usable alternative to M$, because I dislike their tactics. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Excellent answer! On Sunday 01 July 2001 20:29, Romanator wrote: Judy, A good portion of what you have mentioned has been covered in the Mandrake archives. People are working on these features and more than can mentioned in a few brief emails. Rather than stepping on the gas and trying to drive 100 miles an hour, I think it would be a good idea to get a good book on Linux, sit back and do some reading. Then, if you have additional questions, people would be more than happy to help you out. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
Re: [newbie] AOL
My understanding is that version 4, 16bit will work with wine On Wednesday 27 June 2001 04:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tryed aol 6.0 using wine last night, using wine. It just exited the setup for me, i'll try 5.0 tonight, i'll keep you posted! Equ1n0x -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Hard Drives
You know I saw the same problem and wondered the same thing. Hopefully someone has an answer. On Wednesday 27 June 2001 10:30, Terry wrote: I was curious ... I was watching The Screensavers on TechTV last night, when they aired a segment from the PC Expo in New York City. The reporter there was talking about a new hard drive from Maxtor that will hold 100 GB of data. He also mentioned that M$ windows (95, 98, ME, NT, 2000) uses 24-bit addressing, only allowing windows to recognize a single drive of 137 GB max. That made me curious .. what is the largest single drive size Linux would recognize? -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Your article is premature in articel
First of all, the desktop is rarely defined by all the people who raise this issue. At which point does a business desktop shade off into a workstation? Is a SOHO desktop the same thing as a corporate desktop? And is there such a thing as a home desktop? Until all these categories are cleared up, we might just be shouting past each other. All you may be adding a layer of un-needed complexity. WordPerfect is the big one for me. I use a spreadsheet once a year and I've never made a presentation in my life. Yes, I mean that - where I live, we still know how to run meetings without pretty pictures. So that brings us back to my question. Are you and I talking about the same thing when we pontificate about the desktop? You seem to feel that what you do is typical of the desktop. Actually, I agree with the previous email. The OFFICE Suite as a whole has made a tremendous impact onto the desktop Presentations are everywhere. Schools have them, the governement have them, etc. Spreadsheets? If where you work has an accounting department, an inventory control department, you will find tons of spreadsheets there. I don't deal with them too much in my present job, but we have whole departments that do. Fact of the matter is, I feel the desktop must be able to handle all of the components in an average Windows suite before it would be accepted. Now, I don't feel that most people will ever use all or even most of the features available to them in a Windows suite. I mean, have you ever read all of the stuff it can do? Who really uses all of that stuff? I have always felt that my company could save some serious dollars by buying Works vs Office. Of course they could just use Star Office, but the testers hated it. And the rest of us could learn something from them! But I think your characterisation of the community is a little dated. it was like that even 2 years ago, but increasingly all sorts of people are installing Linux now that it installs on average hardware without any tech-Voodoo being required. More people are installing Linux now, but increasingly they are dual booting. It seems that the hardcore Linux users of two years ago remain the core users. I don't see someone that dual boots and only brings up Linux to impress friends as someone to count as a user. Sdaly, I know about twenty of those. What's with the support crap? There are people who write apps and there are people who use apps. Sometimes the same people on both sides. I've gotten all the support I need from forums like this one. Yeah, you get flamed occasionally. Nothing personal, shrug it off. It's still tons better than the support I've gotten from commercial software. Again you are basing it on what you know. Fact is, corporations like a support entity. I can't imagine Exxon relying on newsgroups and mailing list. I also can't imagine most people going to mailing list and newsgroups. Have you ever watched Tech TV? Some of the calls are pitiful! People don't know if they have a cdrom or DVD player, they ask how to create shortcuts, etc. It is the same if you go to stores like Best Buy and just listen by the support window. People like going somewhere and getting things done. So far, there are a lot of free-beer apps floating around, so of course getting people to pay is hard. When I see something I just got to have, I'll be prepared to pay a reasonable amount ... Bring it on! But not if three websites down the line I can get the same functionality for free. Agreed, however I have paid for both Windows and Linux shareware. I believe that an author deserves to get paid. Sorry to sound like a stuck record, but again, if you can actually define who Joe User is and what he needs or wants to do with a computer, you'll have made a big step forwards. Is he related to Joe Sixpack, btw? I believe that Joe User is that typical guy you see at the big department stores demanding MS Office on his PC. From all that I read and see people have a concept of what they expect on their PC. I believe this is re-enforced by the media. When you see the Dell commercials and they push Office, people tend to feel that any PC they have should have it. Also, people tend to like to use what they know, if they are using MS Office at work... I think it is there already. All that is needed is the preloads. It is no where near. Linux on the desktop is a ways away. I use it on mine, but in the 14,000 employee company that I work in, I am among the 8 that do. My wife works for the National Guard and they sure don't use it. I contract to Fiirst Union and they don't use it as well, except in very small pockets among the techies and without permission. The government now is looking at using Star Office but for Windows.Not Linux. Linux is still considered a hacker's OS by many and the newsgroup don't help to dispell this image. Then why does the subject come up so regularly? The subject comes up when
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Only the ones hosted on the company servers are censored. The vast majority of the help newsgroups for Windows are uncensored. Many have MS employees that offer help in them. Personally, I rather just do a google search and find the answers myself. On Monday 25 June 2001 23:28, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:55, Michael Leone wrote: From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? or you haven't explained it well enough. You should feel lucky that you have this kind of free community-based support -- you'll never have it in the M$ world. There, you'll have to pay through the nose for tech support. You can There are free MS support options. There are free newsgroups, hosted by a news server at microsoft.com, and readble via any newsreader. And there are many free email lists, as well. Both of these are community help, augmented (in the case of the newsgroups) by advice from MS employees, just the way Mandrake employees monitor this list. Not to mention web searching thru MS's Knowledgebase, or on their TechNet site. Just setting the record straight. These lists are also heavily censored. I was once having a look at some messages in an Intel newsgroup when the topic of overclocking was raised. Intel eventually filtered out all messages with mentions of overclocking. I'm sure Microsoft would act in a similar way in similar circumstances. -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] AOL
I did it using Win4Lin. I imagine you could do it for free using Codeweavers Wine. I also suspect that you would get better results suing an older AOL client. On Tuesday 26 June 2001 05:05, Nitin Kapoor wrote: Can anyone get AOL to work in Linux. I doubt it though!!! Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
On Saturday 23 June 2001 18:04, civileme wrote: Check MandrakeFreq. Damien has been working really hard on ADSL support. Still, a lot of hardware is unsupported because manufacturers just make it and write windows drivers for it and market it, leaving the linux community with a job of reverse engineering that is iffy and expensive, all in the name of Intellectual Property. I feel that manufactors couldn't care less for the Linux community since they view it as a bunch of pirates and hackers. Of course, if the Linux community would stop projecting this image, things might change. Now this list isn't the only place to get support. Did you try MandrakeExpert? www.mandrakeexpert.com The link is on your desktop. I have tried that route and never got a response. But I get all the help I need right here and from the Mandrakeuser.org There is also an expert mailing list, where people get help, and there is a huge step-by-step on setting up samba at www.mandrakeuser.org Mandrakeuser.org is an excellent resource for help. There are docs there covering just about everything that could go wrong. But if you need things in a real hurry, get out the wallet and buy the Gates solutions and be prepared to pay a small army of people who have passed the certification exams (often the product of boot camps where they take the tests several times a day, and are coached by their instructors on what they did wrong)... Oh and also, get the best data backup you can find, because you will be using it a lot. And make sure before you buy that your idea of how to do business matches theirs because you will be fighting wizards uphill all the way if you want to do something a little different. I have noticed boot camps for Linux as well. In fact boot camps seem to be on the rise for a lot of stuff nowadays. As for backing up your data, well, I certainly hope that Linux users are doing so. At work, the AIX, Solaris, Windows, Novell servers are backed up nightly. Nothing like a good backup for insurance. Windows gives you a ton of choices to use. Your business ideas doesn't have to follow anyones. There is a wealth of Windows applications out there. Even free ones on places like nonags.com and freeware32.com, etc You certainly aren't limited. You could choose to purchase software that is very well supported and rock solid (ever notice how much of the software is better than the Windows OS?) Or just make do with the free stuff. So you have a choice, a quick and mediocre soultion, with few choices, or a longer one with understanding (not to the level of programming, but some) and the ability to make your own choices, and the ability to trust the software. Either comment above fits Linux and Windows. Linux can be a real shitty deal at times. A lot of the software out there is crummy and not supported. The Red Hat 7.0 fiasco also comes to mind when thinking of a mediocre solution. Hell if you look at Linux' choices for the Office desktop, it is Linux that has very little to offer. The complexity, lack of corporate support, limited choices of production software (Office suites, mainframe emulators, etc), lack of multimedia support, etc, make Linux a poor choice. Mind you, I use Linux at work and at home, but then I don't like the idea of a shake and bake OS. Besides, I like learning new things and with Linux you can not only learn about the OS, but programming, hardware, and general troubleshooting. Windows is a pain since you have to ask for the source code (good luck!), pay for SDK's, etc. And that choice is yours. If you put a little more effort into looking and a little less into criticism, I think you would find what you want, but you have to make that choice. We are not here to make choices for you. If you have reached the conclusion that because a newbie list cannot help you with an expert problem, you have to jump to windows, so be it. I agree with the above. While Linux has its problems, it also has its strengths. With a good Linux distro (Mandrake), a good book and the willingness to try, you could get around most of the limitations. True the lack of Office Suites or even a full feature wordprocessor is not something you could get around at the point. But most of the other stuff is there, though somewhat cruder. But what I like the most is that you can actually communicate with the programmer and get your input take into future revisions. That is very exciting! Overall I feel that Windows has its place. Most folks don't want to learn mechanics, they just want to drive. For those folks Windows is just fine. Others like to open the hood and get dirty, Linux is custom made for those. Finally, after dealing with the brain dead Windows users at the office (I work as a desktop support tech) who can't even create a simple shortcut on their desktops, I get a thrill when sitting down on my PC and read emails about folks who can't get something
[newbie] Internet Keyboards
Any way to use Internet keyboards with Mandrake 7.2 or 8? I would like to try it.
[newbie] Laptops
Anyone ever install Mandrake on a IBM Thinkpad 760XL laptop? I am thinking of doing this but have yet to see any documentation on it. The docs on laptops is dated and of little help.
