RE: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
[snip] (why the blazes don't people accept that burners actually come in two flavours of electronics?) I don't much have an opinion on this one (jee's i don't know HOW the things work, i just know how to make them work!), but looking at the CDR howto gives us something along the lines of (and this isn't a quote as i'm not at my Linux box right now): scsi is the native way to talk to devices like CDRs, which makes scsi-emulation the more natural way to do it Guess it's also done more to mean that all of the CDR utilities out there (and there are quite a few) don't expressly have to be re-worked to cope with IDE burners, which did after all come along way after the scsi ones. Martin.
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
OK John, thanks for the confirmation - now can you tell me please - if I want to emulate scsi (for the burner), then when I do finally make my (full) reinstall, should I say yes or no to scsi at install time - just wondering how self propelled the emulation is, and whether or not it needs to borrow bits off of the normal scsi install. Regards, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zap.to/atelier Or when that server is down go direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~bay56/ - Original Message - From: John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, you wrote: I really hope you get a good answer to this from someone who knows for ure - I have the same setup with an LS120 substituted for the Zip (which I gave to a friend!) but to get you started in A direction; I am guessing they will be something like: hda---Primary MasterHD hdb---Primary Slave CD hdc---SecondaryMasterCD [burner] (not sure what to do about that yet, but looks like some kind of scsi pretence is going to be called for) (why the blazes don't people accept that burners actually come in two flavours of electronics?) This is correct. You must load ide-scsi (emulation?) in order to use an IDE burner. I know it sucks, but at least you'll be able to get it to work, whereas AFAIK, there is no support (yet) for Paralell-port scanners, etc. John
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
Good grief - I actually manged to help for the first time - well I'll be damned! ;-) Erm wanna share the url for that paper at the gazzette please? - mine is not quite right yet - sod's law ;-) I'm nearly there myself! Regards, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zap.to/atelier Or when that server is down go direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~bay56/ - Original Message - From: Thomas Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip Than You Ian. I found the paper I was looking for at "Linux Gazzet ' that gave me exactly what I needed. Every thing I had found was for Par Port and mine is Atapi. Got it up and running on all four drives Thanks again bay56 wrote: I really hope you get a good answer to this from someone who knows for ure - I have the same setup with an LS120 substituted for the Zip (which I gave to a friend!) but to get you started in A direction; I am guessing they will be something like: hda---Primary MasterHD hdb---Primary Slave CD hdc---SecondaryMasterCD [burner] (not sure what to do about that yet, but looks like some kind of scsi pretence is going to be called for) (why the blazes don't people accept that burners actually come in two flavours of electronics?) (this seems more ostritch than penguin at this point, but I doubt if the linux community started it!) hdd---SecondarySlave HD (treat it like a cd rom since it's removeable media?) You'll need a directory for each in mnt I think (certainly about to try that idea myself) Also an entry of some sort in fstab reflecting the above arrangements (will trial and error that bit till it stops objecting) Of course if someone actually knows what to do - then please don't just sit there watching me make a total bags of it! ;-) Hope it's of some value shrug Regards, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zap.to/atelier Or when that server is down go direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~bay56/ - Original Message - From: Thomas Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:42 AM Subject: [newbie] CDWR and Zip Ok I give . I am tryiong to find my CDw and IM Zip. I can see on boot up that they are being loaded. I even find them listed under block devices. But I cannot find the command string to access them. I want to set up a link to mount them on my desk top as I have for my 3.5 and CDrom. I have plenty of documentation on making the links for the floppy and Cd but nothing on how to locate the extras. My regular CD is as slave to my HD on my Primary IDE ATAPI slot of my Mother Board. My CDWR and Zip are master and slave in said order on my Secondary IDE ATAPI slot. Please give me some feed back on how to locate them. Thanks Thomas
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, you wrote: /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrwiso9660 ro,user,noauto,nosuid,noexec,nodev00 "ro" for a CDRW Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of a CDRW? :-)
RE: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Aldrich Sent: 29 September 1999 15:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, you wrote: /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrwiso9660 ro,user,noauto,nosuid,noexec,nodev00 "ro" for a CDRW Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of a CDRW? :-) Not really, you can't just drag and drop files to it. You HAVE to use a utility such as cdrecord from the console or xcdroast from with X (and there are other newer ones appearing all the time). These programs don't talk to the CDR using the normal filesystem methods anyway so they won't care. If you don't put RO, you'll only get told that it's a read-only filesystem so it will be mounted RO anyway ;o) Of course they might care that it's mounted at all - not sure on that one - if they do, just make sure it's unmounted before running any burner software. Martin.
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, you wrote: OK John, thanks for the confirmation - now can you tell me please - if I want to emulate scsi (for the burner), then when I do finally make my (full) reinstall, should I say yes or no to scsi at install time - just wondering how self propelled the emulation is, and whether or not it needs to borrow bits off of the normal scsi install. I'm sorry...I'm not using anything that needs emulation. Plus my box at home has a real-live SCSI controller in it. :-) I'd say check the archives and see what they have to say... John
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, you wrote: /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrwiso9660 ro,user,noauto,nosuid,noexec,nodev00 "ro" for a CDRW Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of a CDRW? :-) No, it's not. It actualy doesn't matter what you put there rw or ro. Why you ask? because iso9660 states the format is readonly. try mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom -o rw -t iso9660 now run mount, notice it's ro.. -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
RE: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, you wrote: Not really, you can't just drag and drop files to it. You HAVE to use a utility such as cdrecord from the console or xcdroast from with X (and there are other newer ones appearing all the time). These programs don't talk to the CDR using the normal filesystem methods anyway so they won't care. If you don't put RO, you'll only get told that it's a read-only filesystem so it will be mounted RO anyway ;o) Of course they might care that it's mounted at all - not sure on that one - if they do, just make sure it's unmounted before running any burner software. Hmm...I learned something new today. :-) John
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, you wrote: /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrwiso9660 ro,user,noauto,nosuid,noexec,nodev00 "ro" for a CDRW Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of a CDRW? :-) No. I don't know that Linux supports the kind of drag-n-drop rewriting that Windows supports, allowing you to use the CDRW as a slow hard drive. The only time you'll typically mount the CDRW is with a CD to read, thus the read-only. You don't mount the CDRW if you're burning to it, it's just a block device. -- Steve Philp "The Internet is like crack Network Administratorfor smart people..." Advance Packaging Corporation --Arsenio Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:26 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] CDWR and Zip scsi is the native way to talk to devices like CDRs, which makes scsi-emulation the more natural way to do it I'm sure not going to pick a fight over it, but I think the words "was" , "made" "in those days", could do with being sustituted in there today! ;-) Regards, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zap.to/atelier Or when that server is down go direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~bay56/
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
I really hope you get a good answer to this from someone who knows for ure - I have the same setup with an LS120 substituted for the Zip (which I gave to a friend!) but to get you started in A direction; I am guessing they will be something like: hda---Primary MasterHD hdb---Primary Slave CD hdc---SecondaryMasterCD [burner] (not sure what to do about that yet, but looks like some kind of scsi pretence is going to be called for) (why the blazes don't people accept that burners actually come in two flavours of electronics?) (this seems more ostritch than penguin at this point, but I doubt if the linux community started it!) hdd---SecondarySlave HD (treat it like a cd rom since it's removeable media?) You'll need a directory for each in mnt I think (certainly about to try that idea myself) Also an entry of some sort in fstab reflecting the above arrangements (will trial and error that bit till it stops objecting) Of course if someone actually knows what to do - then please don't just sit there watching me make a total bags of it! ;-) Hope it's of some value shrug Regards, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zap.to/atelier Or when that server is down go direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~bay56/ - Original Message - From: Thomas Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:42 AM Subject: [newbie] CDWR and Zip Ok I give . I am tryiong to find my CDw and IM Zip. I can see on boot up that they are being loaded. I even find them listed under block devices. But I cannot find the command string to access them. I want to set up a link to mount them on my desk top as I have for my 3.5 and CDrom. I have plenty of documentation on making the links for the floppy and Cd but nothing on how to locate the extras. My regular CD is as slave to my HD on my Primary IDE ATAPI slot of my Mother Board. My CDWR and Zip are master and slave in said order on my Secondary IDE ATAPI slot. Please give me some feed back on how to locate them. Thanks Thomas
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
Are you using Gnome, KDE, or something else for your desktop?
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, you wrote: I really hope you get a good answer to this from someone who knows for ure - I have the same setup with an LS120 substituted for the Zip (which I gave to a friend!) but to get you started in A direction; I am guessing they will be something like: hda---Primary MasterHD hdb---Primary Slave CD hdc---SecondaryMasterCD [burner] (not sure what to do about that yet, but looks like some kind of scsi pretence is going to be called for) (why the blazes don't people accept that burners actually come in two flavours of electronics?) This is correct. You must load ide-scsi (emulation?) in order to use an IDE burner. I know it sucks, but at least you'll be able to get it to work, whereas AFAIK, there is no support (yet) for Paralell-port scanners, etc. John
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
Thomas Peter wrote: Ok I give . I am tryiong to find my CDw and IM Zip. I can see on boot up that they are being loaded. I even find them listed under block devices. But I cannot find the command string to access them. I want to set up a link to mount them on my desk top as I have for my 3.5 and CDrom. I have plenty of documentation on making the links for the floppy and Cd but nothing on how to locate the extras. My regular CD is as slave to my HD on my Primary IDE ATAPI slot of my Mother Board. My CDWR and Zip are master and slave in said order on my Secondary IDE ATAPI slot. Here's what you need: mkdir /mnt/zip mkdir /mnt/cdrw vi /etc/fstab then add: /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrwiso9660 ro,user,noauto,nosuid,noexec,nodev00 /dev/hdd/mnt/zip auto rw,user,noauto,nosuid,noexec,nodev00 (if those lines happen to wrap in the mail, it should be two full lines) You should now be able to: mount /mnt/cdrw or mount /mnt/zip to read (and write, in the case of the zip drive) from them. To write to the CD burner, you'll need to investigate cdrecord or one of the GUI tools that interface with it. -- Steve Philp "The Internet is like crack Network Administratorfor smart people..." Advance Packaging Corporation --Arsenio Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] CDWR and Zip
Than You Ian. I found the paper I was looking for at "Linux Gazzet ' that gave me exactly what I needed. Every thing I had found was for Par Port and mine is Atapi. Got it up and running on all four drives Thanks again bay56 wrote: I really hope you get a good answer to this from someone who knows for ure - I have the same setup with an LS120 substituted for the Zip (which I gave to a friend!) but to get you started in A direction; I am guessing they will be something like: hda---Primary MasterHD hdb---Primary Slave CD hdc---SecondaryMasterCD [burner] (not sure what to do about that yet, but looks like some kind of scsi pretence is going to be called for) (why the blazes don't people accept that burners actually come in two flavours of electronics?) (this seems more ostritch than penguin at this point, but I doubt if the linux community started it!) hdd---SecondarySlave HD (treat it like a cd rom since it's removeable media?) You'll need a directory for each in mnt I think (certainly about to try that idea myself) Also an entry of some sort in fstab reflecting the above arrangements (will trial and error that bit till it stops objecting) Of course if someone actually knows what to do - then please don't just sit there watching me make a total bags of it! ;-) Hope it's of some value shrug Regards, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zap.to/atelier Or when that server is down go direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~bay56/ - Original Message - From: Thomas Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:42 AM Subject: [newbie] CDWR and Zip Ok I give . I am tryiong to find my CDw and IM Zip. I can see on boot up that they are being loaded. I even find them listed under block devices. But I cannot find the command string to access them. I want to set up a link to mount them on my desk top as I have for my 3.5 and CDrom. I have plenty of documentation on making the links for the floppy and Cd but nothing on how to locate the extras. My regular CD is as slave to my HD on my Primary IDE ATAPI slot of my Mother Board. My CDWR and Zip are master and slave in said order on my Secondary IDE ATAPI slot. Please give me some feed back on how to locate them. Thanks Thomas
[newbie] CDWR and Zip
Ok I give . I am tryiong to find my CDw and IM Zip. I can see on boot up that they are being loaded. I even find them listed under block devices. But I cannot find the command string to access them. I want to set up a link to mount them on my desk top as I have for my 3.5 and CDrom. I have plenty of documentation on making the links for the floppy and Cd but nothing on how to locate the extras. My regular CD is as slave to my HD on my Primary IDE ATAPI slot of my Mother Board. My CDWR and Zip are master and slave in said order on my Secondary IDE ATAPI slot. Please give me some feed back on how to locate them. Thanks Thomas
