RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question SUCCESS!!! :))
At 06:59 PM 2/13/2003 +0700, you wrote: btw thanks to FemmeFatale for the warning re Partition Magic - I had come across that one before, dual booting NT and 98. The workaround IIRC is to not ask PM to do too many things at once: just because it will let you queue up 12 or 14 tasks, it's not a good idea. In my case, it took 5 reboots to get the partitions resized and shuffled around the way I wanted them. It's worth saying once again: thanks to all who replied - I've had a couple of goes at getting a Linux of one kind or other going, and this is the most success I've had so far... -- Merlin Zener NP luv. Glad it worked out! - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 10:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day, Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition down to 8G, and labelled it windoze. * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't install in one either:)], labelled it linux * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 and labelled it archive. I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. Setup Filesystems shows a graphical representation something like this: +-++-+ | || | | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | | || | +-++-+ This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say just a guess in the details box when I click on each partition. But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. Auto Allocate says: not enough space for auto-allocating The wizard gives three options: - erase the entire disk - use the free space on the windoze partition - use the windoze partition for loopback I clicked on toggle to expert mode [with some trepidation, because clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? I guess I'm looking for some button that says install here... ...asking too much? g First Partition: NT/2000/XP partition. Second One: FAT32 Last partition for Mandrake Window$ will read partition until it finds something it doesn't recognize (like Linux file system) and then it will stop. So, if you put Linux in the middle, Window$ will not read the FAT32 partition that you set for your data. Enter expert mode. You have to set 2 partitions at least for Linux: swap (let's say 512Mb) and the one where root (/) is mounted. My initial install was EXT3 for the root partition but now I have a different setup. Anyway, with the one I am giving here you can get started. Then start reading and optimize your system/setup/applications/hardware/and so on. Good luck -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adolfo Bello Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:49 To: MDK Mandrake Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this week :-) 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write with Windows and Mandrake. 3.- Install Mandrake. It is this easy. You will get a dual boot system. G'day, Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition down to 8G, and labelled it windoze. * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't install in one either:)], labelled it linux * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 and labelled it archive. I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. Setup Filesystems shows a graphical representation something like this: +-++-+ | || | | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | | || | +-++-+ This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say just a guess in the details box when I click on each partition. But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. Auto Allocate says: not enough space for auto-allocating The wizard gives three options: - erase the entire disk - use the free space on the windoze partition - use the windoze partition for loopback I clicked on toggle to expert mode [with some trepidation, because clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? I guess I'm looking for some button that says install here... ...asking too much? g -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Monday 10 Feb 2003 2:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition down to 8G, and labelled it windoze. * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't install in one either:)], labelled it linux * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 and labelled it archive. I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. Setup Filesystems shows a graphical representation something like this: +-++-+ | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | +-++-+ This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say just a guess in the details box when I click on each partition. But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. Auto Allocate says: not enough space for auto-allocating The wizard gives three options: - erase the entire disk - use the free space on the windoze partition - use the windoze partition for loopback I clicked on toggle to expert mode [with some trepidation, because clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? I guess I'm looking for some button that says install here... ...asking too much? g I'm not happy about what I've read here. I have had big big problems caused by installing linux between two windows partitions. My solution would be to install windows on the first 8G partition, create the big data partition next to it, and install linux on the last 8G of the drive. I think it would be much safer. You don't need to create a partition there - if you specify the manual partitioning at install you can install it to the free space, but if you need it to it can also install it in place of an existing partition. I would seriously recommend using windows fdisk or Partition Manager or whatever you prefer to make those first two partitions, simply leaving 8G unused. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Monday 10 February 2003 09:18 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adolfo Bello Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:49 To: MDK Mandrake Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this week :-) 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write with Windows and Mandrake. 3.- Install Mandrake. It is this easy. You will get a dual boot system. G'day, Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition down to 8G, and labelled it windoze. * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't install in one either:)], labelled it linux * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 and labelled it archive. I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. Setup Filesystems shows a graphical representation something like this: +-++-+ | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | +-++-+ This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** to be confused: In linux (it's all about choice) you can call the partiutions what ever you want, but the system needs to see certain standard partitions. I would also suggest that you leave the 80 gig in the box, since you will want to give them mount points that the system will see in linux, and you would not really want to see the drive letters switched around in windoze either, (but you might anyway, since in Linux, you control the drive names, and in Uncle billy's OS he get to make the choice for you, and what he chooses is anyones guess). but you can name the partition win_e if you like, as long as you suck it up and consider that the Expert is pretty much equal to custom on the install of most Win Software, and look for the options. As long as you do not format, you will not loose any info on the ntfs or fat partitions, and when you create linux partions, they do not need / nor sould be formated via PM, just let the diskdrake part of the install do that, but do it as expert, and untill you get used to Linux and the differnet partition schemes, just go with that second 8 gigs as one big / partiton. what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say just a guess in the details box when I click on each partition. But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. click on the red zone of that partition, that will select that partition, and get you some more choices (in expert) Auto Allocate says: not enough space for auto-allocating The wizard gives three options: - erase the entire disk - use the free space on the windoze partition - use the windoze partition for loopback I clicked on toggle to expert mode [with some trepidation, because clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? I guess I'm looking for some button that says install here... ...asking too much? g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adolfo Bello Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:49 To: MDK Mandrake Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this week :-) 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write with Windows and Mandrake. 3.- Install Mandrake. It is this easy. You will get a dual boot system. G'day, Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition down to 8G, and labelled it windoze. * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't install in one either:)], labelled it linux * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 and labelled it archive. Linux has its own file systems (plural). For your install either - remove the linux partition with windows fdisk and leave it blank for linux to use. or - Go expert mode and remove /mnt/win_c so linux can utilize this space. I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. Setup Filesystems shows a graphical representation something like this: +-++-+ | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | +-++-+ This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say just a guess in the details box when I click on each partition. /mnt/nt etc. are arbitrary labels applied by linux. E: F: are windows conventions only. This is perfectly normal. But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. Auto Allocate says: not enough space for auto-allocating The wizard gives three options: - erase the entire disk - use the free space on the windoze partition - use the windoze partition for loopback I clicked on toggle to expert mode [with some trepidation, because clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? You are going fine, nervousness is to be expected. Linux will not use your Fat32, It will set it's own partitions in the space where /mnt/win_c (or windows E:) is, once this partition is deleted. I guess I'm looking for some button that says install here... ...asking too much? g Just go for it! When it comes to the format step of the install you can highlight the new partitions to format. Ensure /mnt/nt and /mnt/win_d are unchecked at this stage and you will have no problems. It will also create a special tiny partition called swap that need not be formatted. I also recommend you leave the other disk in place. That way you will be able to read/write it from linux once running. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 07:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snipped original post And I'm going to do something I don't do normally... mix postings. :) G'day, Thanks to those who answered. I followed the instructions from Lanman and Adolpho above, and got this far: * I disconnected my 80G HDD - better safe than sorry LOL * I fired up Partition Magic and resized the existing NTFS partition down to 8G, and labelled it windoze. * I added another 8G partition, made it FAT32 [on a guess - I figured if Linux couldn't see files on a NTFS partition it probably couldn't install in one either:)], labelled it linux * set the remaining 22G [I wonder where the other 2G went???] as FAT32 and labelled it archive. OK So far sweetheart you're doing just fine. Just remember the rule: PM WILL NOT create or read any linux partition that IS NOT Ext2. If its any other partitioning scheme, PM fails. Period. It WILL corrupt data too if it doesn't agree with the leading blocks how the partitions have been allocated. IE, fire up PM it gives you some partitioning block error. DO NOT LET IT FIX THIS! Ever! It will with prejudice toast that partition your linux possibly your windows partitions will be terminated. You've been warned. (Trust me I did this... three or 4 times as a matter of fact. First time unintentional. Every other time it was an experiment to see if I could reproduce the results.) I fired up windows and moved my data from C: to E: [the newly created archive partition]. So far so good - windoze sees all three partitions. Put in Mandrake 9.0 CD1, went through the languages, kbd/mouse, security - accepted the defaults as they seemed reasonable. Setup Filesystems shows a graphical representation something like this: +-++-+ | || | | /mnt/nt | /mnt/win_c |/mnt/win_d | | || | +-++-+ This **looks** right, but it's not seeing the labels, and it **seems** to be confused: what it calls win_c is actually E and what it calls win_d is actually F [D: is the CDROM]. To be fair, it does say just a guess in the details box when I click on each partition. But: there doesn't seem to be any way [that I can see] to be sure. And even if I was pretty sure that the second partition is the one to put Linux on, I don't see any way on this screen to tell it to do that. Auto Allocate says: not enough space for auto-allocating OK lets stop here a minute. Now keep in mind, MDK is literally guessing. You'd think it would know but b/c of the way M$hit allocates partitions the weird scheme it uses (tech details you'd rather not know) MDK can only guess at which partition is which. Usually MDK is right. I've yet to have it guess wrong. And I think I can safely say I've partitioned installed MDK 8.0 - 9.0 at least 20 times now. :) Yar! Just call me Queen of Linux Installations. :) The wizard gives three options: - erase the entire disk - use the free space on the windoze partition - use the windoze partition for loopback I clicked on toggle to expert mode [with some trepidation, because clearly I'm not - LOL] and found a button to format the partitions, but I chickened out, because I can't be sure which partition is which. And anyhow, the partitions are already formatted FAT32 - do they need to be formatted again to put Linux on them? I guess I'm looking for some button that says install here... ...asking too much? g -- Merlin Zener Hm... well expert mode is *IMO* simpler anyway. The auto partitoioning tool gives you just three partitions after slicing them out of one of your FAT32's. It will give a / (root), swap /home partition. These are all you need to start with. More is just confusing for now. Heh again, trust me on this one. Likely it can't autoallocate b/c the thing is a FAT32 partition *and it won't delete that partition startover w/out being told to explicitly*. Yes you need to delete one of your FATs re-partition/re-format it as a linux partition. If you need to choose one partitioning scheme, try Ext2 or 3. Three is better IMO. Any other kind of scheme is asking for trouble. (*giggles* Who am I to talk? I tried Reiser on my second installation! But I like to play with fire... probably explains that big burn/skin graft I have on my body). Anyway... Once you pick an partitioning scheme (Ext 2 or 3), you should be able to use autoallocate. OR vice versa... I may have it backwards. Hope this helps? :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
G'day all, Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux on and it won't matter if I break it:) But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath and try for a dual boot system... I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible gotcha's to get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how far I get :)) * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole drive? * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the 40G, as well as the 80G? * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? Thanks in advance for the guidance... -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
Merlin; Having done exactly what you want to do hundreds of times for clients, I can give you this advice. First, Set up an 8 or 10 Gb partition for Win2K. Even at 8 Gb's you're using a lot! Unless you plan on installing every single application known to man, 8 Gigs is plenty! Use the same amount for Linux. Then use the remaining space on the drive to store all your data, ie; documents, mp3's, DVX, etc. Format the last section as FAT32, and both O/S'es will see it. Try for something like this; 1) 8 Gigs for Win2K - NTFS 2) 8 Gigs for Mandrake - which get's split into 3 basic partitions during a basic install - /, swap, and home. 3) remaining 24 Gigs (approximately), formatted as FAT32 4) When you're naming the partitions - whether you're in Windows or Linux, name the last partition as Archive (in Win2K) and /Archive in Linux. 5) Once you have Win2K setup with the username you prefer, right-click the My Documents folder on your desktop, and select move. Then re-Map it to your Archive partition, making sure that you have a My Documents folder waiting there. 6) from that point on you can tell your office suites, and download managers, etc. to use Archive as your data storage point, and they will always use it by default. 7) You can also do the exact same procedure in Linux. 8) Use the Win2K - NTFS partition (C:\) to install applications, Games, etc., but store ALL your data on Archive. Both O/S'es will have no problem accessing your data, documents, MP3's, etc., and you'll still have a whack of room left on your 80 Gig drive as well. Install Win2K first, and let Mandrake provide the boot manager - Grub or Lilo (your choice)when you install it second, and everything will work fine. If you need more help, contact me off-list. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/7/2003 at 8:03 PM Merlin Zener wrote: G'day all, Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux on and it won't matter if I break it:) But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath and try for a dual boot system... I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible gotcha's to get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how far I get :)) * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole drive? * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the 40G, as well as the 80G? * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? Thanks in advance for the guidance... -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Friday 07 February 2003 08:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: G'day all, Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux on and it won't matter if I break it:) But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath and try for a dual boot system... I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible gotcha's to get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how far I get :)) * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole drive? * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the 40G, as well as the 80G? * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? Thanks in advance for the guidance... the install will be fine, install win2k as Fat and not ntfs on the first partition of the drive and linux will be able to read and write them, (about 1/2 of the drive), after completly setup win2k, then boot from the cd with Mandrake, and allow it the rest of the hard drive and pick the expert install, chose at least 3 gigs as / and a swap about 2 times as much as the amount of system mem, up to about 300 megs /home to be about 2 gigs, as a file system use either ext2 or ext3 or if you have a problem with power or unexpected shutdowns use Reiserfs, but without added software, win2k will never know there is an install of Linux and will not be able to read and write them. Linux plays nice with everybody and works correctly. M$win does NOT play nice with anyone not from their family and does not really work correctly IMHO Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~leblancj/labs/lin_win2k_dual_boot.html Follow the instructions, you won't go wrong. The only thing is that the NTFS restriction he talks about is no longer there, as my system testifies! Or you can do things a little different, as I did. throw in a little of this below http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/multiboot/linux_win2k_fix.htm and you get my method (abbreviated, read the links above, take your time, and it will be fine): Install Linux first. -- first non-standard approach! Create 1st partition, bootable, win2k (inyour case, 20 gigs if you want a clean splie), NTFS worked fine. Create all other partitions after that, including a /boot right after the win2k partition Continue installing linux.. MAKE A BOOT DISK reboot when done, install win2k reboot using boot disk in linux, find out the partition name of your boot mount (here I assume dev/hda) dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1 to create the file bootsect.lnx, and copy it to a floppy. Boot to windows Edit c:\boot.ini and add an entry for Linux: C:\bootsect.lnx=Linux Copy bootsect.lnx from floppy to c:\ Reboot. First option, from the windows boot loader, allows you to go to win2k or linux. If you go to linux, you get the standard options (Linux, secure, floppy... you know) which is a pain when you just want to get there, so you can remove the prompt altogether. Hope this helps. If not, there's always Google :) Examples: My boot.ini [boot loader] timeout=5 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT=Windows 2000 /fastdetect c:\bootsect.lnx=Linux Mandrake 9.0 (ButtMunch) (always find the monikers funny, and this one tickles my wife) On Friday 07 February 2003 07:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: G'day all, Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux on and it won't matter if I break it:) But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath and try for a dual boot system... I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible gotcha's to get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how far I get :)) * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole drive? * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the 40G, as well as the 80G? * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? Thanks in advance for the guidance... -- A. Contreras My CR webpages: http://www.elnonio.dns04.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
Trust me: I almost got a PhD in installing Windows and Mandrake this week :-) 1.- *First of all*, install Windows 2000/XP. 2.- Create a FAT32 partition to hold data that you want to read/write with Windows and Mandrake. 3.- Install Mandrake. It is this easy. You will get a dual boot system. On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 13:23, Antonio Contreras wrote: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~leblancj/labs/lin_win2k_dual_boot.html Follow the instructions, you won't go wrong. The only thing is that the NTFS restriction he talks about is no longer there, as my system testifies! Or you can do things a little different, as I did. throw in a little of this below http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/multiboot/linux_win2k_fix.htm and you get my method (abbreviated, read the links above, take your time, and it will be fine): Install Linux first. -- first non-standard approach! Create 1st partition, bootable, win2k (inyour case, 20 gigs if you want a clean splie), NTFS worked fine. Create all other partitions after that, including a /boot right after the win2k partition Continue installing linux.. MAKE A BOOT DISK reboot when done, install win2k reboot using boot disk in linux, find out the partition name of your boot mount (here I assume dev/hda) dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1 to create the file bootsect.lnx, and copy it to a floppy. Boot to windows Edit c:\boot.ini and add an entry for Linux: C:\bootsect.lnx=Linux Copy bootsect.lnx from floppy to c:\ Reboot. First option, from the windows boot loader, allows you to go to win2k or linux. If you go to linux, you get the standard options (Linux, secure, floppy... you know) which is a pain when you just want to get there, so you can remove the prompt altogether. Hope this helps. If not, there's always Google :) Examples: My boot.ini [boot loader] timeout=5 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT=Windows 2000 /fastdetect c:\bootsect.lnx=Linux Mandrake 9.0 (ButtMunch) (always find the monikers funny, and this one tickles my wife) On Friday 07 February 2003 07:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: G'day all, Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux on and it won't matter if I break it:) But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath and try for a dual boot system... I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible gotcha's to get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how far I get :)) * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole drive? * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the 40G, as well as the 80G? * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? Thanks in advance for the guidance... -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot: pre-setup question
On Saturday 08 February 2003 04:46 am, et wrote: On Friday 07 February 2003 08:03 am, Merlin Zener wrote: G'day all, Because of weight restrictions in my baggage allowance when I recently moved from Australia to Thailand, I was forced to sell off my old computers and bits etc - so now I don't have the luxury of having a whole computer I can just stick Linux on and it won't matter if I break it:) But I want to succeed, ultimately, so I'll take a deep breath and try for a dual boot system... I just built a new system last night, [It's running Win2Kpro] with a 40G hard drive I was thinking of splitting in halves with Partition Magic, and I've got an 80G HDD I brought with me from Australia that has all my backing tracks etc in wav files an MP3s, and CoolEditPro sessions etc. I'd like some help, please, to avoid any possible gotcha's to get this to work - I'm not looking for detailed point by point, just the major steps and in which order to do them - lets see how far I get :)) * If I split the 40G into two 20G partitions, how can I install Mandrake on the other half without it taking over the whole drive? * How can I make Mandrake see the files on the other half of the 40G, as well as the 80G? * oh, and btw will Win2K be able to see the Linux files too? Thanks in advance for the guidance... the install will be fine, install win2k as Fat and not ntfs on the first partition of the drive and linux will be able to read and write them, (about 1/2 of the drive), after completly setup win2k, then boot from the cd with Mandrake, and allow it the rest of the hard drive and pick the expert install, chose at least 3 gigs as / and a swap about 2 times as much as the amount of system mem, up to about 300 megs /home to be about 2 gigs, as a file system use either ext2 or ext3 or if you have a problem with power or unexpected shutdowns use Reiserfs, but without added software, win2k will never know there is an install of Linux and will not be able to read and write them. Linux plays nice with everybody and works correctly. M$win does NOT play nice with anyone not from their family and does not really work correctly IMHO There is really no need to use PM--just partition/format half the drive for win2K and install and mandrake will happily configure itself for the other half. As ed said, use FAT32 for maximum utility of windows to linux and vice-versa file exchange (managed by linux). Mandrake has its own partition manager called diskdrake which you will see during install if you choose to customize the linux partitions. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
