Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:49:12 -0500 Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: without allowing proper blood flow shouldn't that be Beer flow Charles guess that depends upon what the majority of your bodily fluids are comprised of. :P -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:49:12 -0500 Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: without allowing proper blood flow shouldn't that be Beer flow Charles -- perfect guest: One who makes his host feel at home. - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-6mdk - msg119866/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
robin wrote: Or more specifically, you build a package and upload it to the contribs folder that actually works and everyone else can use. for me, prolly a long way off. I'm still in the break it and fix it area. Funnily enough I came within a whisker of doing that with lyx-qt-1.3, but someone beat me to it while I was still messing around with the spec file. It was fun learning how to make an RPM, though - not nearly as hard as I'd imagined it would be. Sir Robin True, but those spec files can make you go blind if you stay at it too long without allowing proper blood flow to the brain now and then. ;) -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
On Friday 14 Feb 2003 9:09 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? What's a newbie? grin -- magnet Registered Linux User: 281659 Registered machines: 163839,163840,163841,163842,163843,163844 6xAthlon 1.2GHz all running some flavour of Mandrake. My home is over-run with penguins that like a warm environment! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Civileme = expert everyone else(self included) = newbie As always, the = operator flows to the left. SOO true. Thanks civilme for all the help you give. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 04:42 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: Oh come one. I like 12 hour shifts. They are easier than 16 hour shifts. HEHE Rob You know, I used to work this weekend shift thing - where I pulled 2 sixteen hour shifts, Sat and Sun, then was off 5 days a week. They gave me 8 hrs for doing it , to make my 40 hrs a week. I loved being off 5 days in a row. Just hated working -every- weekend... That'd be kinda tough at first, but after a while I think I'd love being off for 5 days in a row myself. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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mycal62 wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? All this humility is very nice. ;-) that aside, it's interesting how the responses have been. with anything and especially with opinion it's really a matter of perspective, and It becomes a relative thing as well. When I first tried Linux RH 5.2 ( I think ) I would say I was an absolute Newbie. Now after several years can I say I am an Expert? Most definitely NOT, but I don't feel I am a true Newbie either. In all seriousness the difference between a newbie, at least on this list, and a _true_ expert is relative to the comparison between most of us here on the list and Civileme. Civileme = expert everyone else(self included) = newbie As always, the = operator flows to the left. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
et wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 09:31 pm, mycal62 wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? All this humility is very nice. ;-) that aside, it's interesting how the responses have been. with anything and especially with opinion it's really a matter of perspective, and It becomes a relative thing as well. When I first tried Linux RH 5.2 ( I think ) I would say I was an absolute Newbie. Now after several years can I say I am an Expert? Most definitely NOT, but I don't feel I am a true Newbie either. I would call myself a User in perpetual training ( I really don't think I'll ever be an expert though because that would take more brains than I have left. ) But then , That's purely from MY perspective, massive grin I Like a saying of Confucius : to know that what you know is what you know, is not knowledge, But to know that what you do not know is what you do not know That is the beginning of understanding somethng like that. I often say the one thing I learned about computers in 1992 that I still use, and is still true, is that what ever you buy today will be obosolete in 3 years, and the same goes with software, (actully I have one program that was written for win95 and I bought in 1995, that I still use almost every day, and that is winfax for win 95, since I have kept my hourly billing on it as a faxed document since 1995 but the OS it ran on is no longer avail, good thing it still runs using other M$products) and I still use pine when I ssh into a shell account, and it has been around (without much change that I can see) Et, Pine does gorgeous threading now-a-days. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
et wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 08:17 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: If you're lucky, you never stop being a newbie. No joke. I am personally going to be taking a newbie learning course (not a course, just a self taught action) in Apache/Perl/Python/SQL programming here soon. So i totally understand that statement. Rob sounds like looking for fun in all the right places yeah, but how can you show-horn Python in the same phrase with Apache/PERL and SQL? is that legal? -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
On Saturday 15 Feb 2003 2:51 am, et wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 08:05 pm, robin wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? If you're lucky, you never stop being a newbie. Sir Robin Notme I sware that after the all the critters die, and the kids move out on their own, I am going right out and get me a life. Listen to the wisdom of the aged - it never happens g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 04:09 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? How about: When you get up enough guts to post on the Cooker list. Then you're just a newbie in a bigger pond! Maybe when you upload something to the Cooker . Sir Robin -- Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells. - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 February 2003 08:05 pm, robin wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? When you know enough to realize that you don't know very much. MtnMan -- 9:01am up 3 days, 22:56, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.15, 0.17 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? All this humility is very nice. ;-) that aside, it's interesting how the responses have been. with anything and especially with opinion it's really a matter of perspective, and It becomes a relative thing as well. When I first tried Linux RH 5.2 ( I think ) I would say I was an absolute Newbie. Now after several years can I say I am an Expert? Most definitely NOT, but I don't feel I am a true Newbie either. I would call myself a User in perpetual training ( I really don't think I'll ever be an expert though because that would take more brains than I have left. ) But then , That's purely from MY perspective, massive grin I Like a saying of Confucius : to know that what you know is what you know, is not knowledge, But to know that what you do not know is what you do not know That is the beginning of understanding somethng like that. -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA ~~ Currently triple booting 98lite; MDK 9.1-beta3 with Kde 3.1; MDK 9.0 kernel 2.4.19-16 Kde 3.1 Registered Linux User #248955 ~~ If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
On Friday 14 February 2003 09:31 pm, mycal62 wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? All this humility is very nice. ;-) that aside, it's interesting how the responses have been. with anything and especially with opinion it's really a matter of perspective, and It becomes a relative thing as well. When I first tried Linux RH 5.2 ( I think ) I would say I was an absolute Newbie. Now after several years can I say I am an Expert? Most definitely NOT, but I don't feel I am a true Newbie either. I would call myself a User in perpetual training ( I really don't think I'll ever be an expert though because that would take more brains than I have left. ) But then , That's purely from MY perspective, massive grin I Like a saying of Confucius : to know that what you know is what you know, is not knowledge, But to know that what you do not know is what you do not know That is the beginning of understanding somethng like that. I often say the one thing I learned about computers in 1992 that I still use, and is still true, is that what ever you buy today will be obosolete in 3 years, and the same goes with software, (actully I have one program that was written for win95 and I bought in 1995, that I still use almost every day, and that is winfax for win 95, since I have kept my hourly billing on it as a faxed document since 1995 but the OS it ran on is no longer avail, good thing it still runs using other M$products) and I still use pine when I ssh into a shell account, and it has been around (without much change that I can see) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 February 2003 3:09 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? When you stop asking questions like this on the mandrake-newbie list. :) -- Chuck Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 February 2003 04:09 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? When you are answering more questions than you ask? :-) BTW, I was a newbie 5 years ago, I'm a newbie today, and 5 years from now I will still be a Linux newbie... He's a newbie, she's a newbie, wouldn't you like to be a newbie too? (sung to an old Dr. Pepper commercial) grin Apologies, worked 12 hours last night - not been to bed yet. :-))) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 13 February 2003 04:18 am, Chuck Burns wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 3:09 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? When you stop asking questions like this on the mandrake-newbie list. :) when the kids move out and the dog dies Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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When you are answering more questions than you ask? :-) I could argue that one. But its got truth to it. BTW, I was a newbie 5 years ago, I'm a newbie today, and 5 years from now I will still be a Linux newbie... Totally true. Tell you the truth, i see some of the more expertise people (i would include myself on this one) that ask stuff ALL THE TIME on the newbie AND the expert lists. He's a newbie, she's a newbie, wouldn't you like to be a newbie too? hehe grin Apologies, worked 12 hours last night - not been to bed yet. :-))) Oh come one. I like 12 hour shifts. They are easier than 16 hour shifts. HEHE Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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How can you tell when you are not a newbie anymore? Hmmm.. when you can fix the things you break , and you at least have a clue how or why you broke it. big grin -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA ~~ Currently triple booting 98lite; MDK 9.1-beta3 with Kde 3.1; MDK 9.0 kernel 2.4.19-16 Kde 3.1 Registered Linux User #248955 ~~ If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 08:09, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? When you start to do more work from a console than from a GUI - or when you get rid of GDM/KDM/XDM so that you can boot faster...or when you start X with only and xterm...or when you go through someone's code because the program you're trying to compile doesn't work, or because you want to customise the code to your liking...or when your desktop has been changed so much as to not be recognisable in the least compared to what your distro originally plopped on your drive... Meanwhile, everyone's a newbie. Even if you're into it knee deep - doesn't matter. No one can ever know enough. Expert are experts in fields they know - but there are still more fields. Gurus that I've met both here and back home in the US still admit they don't know something about a particular thing - but that's the joy of it all. No matter what you know, someone knows more, or something different. Besides, if anyone looses the mentality that they're a newbie about something or another, then they've most certainly got their head stuck up somewhere where the sun doesn't shine. I get a really bad attitude on the RH list when you get heaps of complete idiots that think they're God's gift to linux...they're so beyond the newbie that they don't want to give good information or they flame the daylights out of the poor noob - but when searching into past archives, you can yank out a message they've requested help with and throw it back at 'em...damn - everyone needs some humility and everyone's been there. Ain't met one person yet that was born knowing anything about computers... ...off my soapbox I shall get... -- Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:00:00 +1100 9:00am up 2 days, 18:06, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.10 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Beware of a dark-haired man with a loud tie. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? If you're lucky, you never stop being a newbie. Sir Robin -- Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells. - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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If you're lucky, you never stop being a newbie. No joke. I am personally going to be taking a newbie learning course (not a course, just a self taught action) in Apache/Perl/Python/SQL programming here soon. So i totally understand that statement. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 February 2003 04:23 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: He's a newbie, she's a newbie, wouldn't you like to be a newbie too? Great answer -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fun discussion question for the list
On Friday 14 February 2003 04:09 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? How about: When you get up enough guts to post on the Cooker list. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 February 2003 08:17 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: If you're lucky, you never stop being a newbie. No joke. I am personally going to be taking a newbie learning course (not a course, just a self taught action) in Apache/Perl/Python/SQL programming here soon. So i totally understand that statement. Rob sounds like looking for fun in all the right places Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 February 2003 08:05 pm, robin wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? If you're lucky, you never stop being a newbie. Sir Robin Notme I sware that after the all the critters die, and the kids move out on their own, I am going right out and get me a life. and boy, once _I_ get a lifelookout out world... and reserve me a room in the orthopeapics wing, cause I am likely to wreck something Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:09 am, Greg Meyer wrote: I thought this would be a fun question to discuss. How can you tell you are not a Newbie anymore? You become an expert, and no longer a newbie when you start flaming people for OT posts like these :-). Or when you get hired by MandrakeSoft... _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 14 February 2003 04:42 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: Oh come one. I like 12 hour shifts. They are easier than 16 hour shifts. HEHE Rob You know, I used to work this weekend shift thing - where I pulled 2 sixteen hour shifts, Sat and Sun, then was off 5 days a week. They gave me 8 hrs for doing it , to make my 40 hrs a week. I loved being off 5 days in a row. Just hated working -every- weekend... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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You know, I used to work this weekend shift thing - where I pulled 2 sixteen hour shifts, Sat and Sun, then was off 5 days a week. They gave me 8 hrs for doing it , to make my 40 hrs a week. I loved being off 5 days in a row. Just hated working -every- weekend... HAHA, you totally understand my thinking Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
