Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Hi I tried that! It went like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# rpm -Uvh urpmi-4.3-15mdk.noarch.rpm error: failed dependencies: perl-URPM = 0.90-10mdk is needed by urpmi-4.3-15mdk perl(Locale::gettext) is needed by urpmi-4.3-15mdk perl(POSIX) is needed by urpmi-4.3-15mdk perl(URPM) is needed by urpmi-4.3-15mdk perl(URPM::Resolve) is needed by urpmi-4.3-15mdk perl(strict) is needed by urpmi-4.3-15mdk perl(vars) is needed by urpmi-4.3-15mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# rpm -Uvh perl-URPM-0.91-1mdk.i586.rpm error: failed dependencies: rpm = 4.2-7mdk is needed by perl-URPM-0.91-1mdk librpm-4.2.so is needed by perl-URPM-0.91-1mdk librpmdb-4.2.so is needed by perl-URPM-0.91-1mdk librpmio-4.2.so is needed by perl-URPM-0.91-1mdk perl(DynaLoader) is needed by perl-URPM-0.91-1mdk perl(strict) is needed by perl-URPM-0.91-1mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# rpm -Uvh rpm* error: failed dependencies: popt = 1.8-7mdk is needed by rpm-4.2-7mdk elfutils is needed by rpm-4.2-7mdk libelf.so.1 is needed by rpm-4.2-7mdk rpm = 4.0.4-28mdk is needed by rpm-build-4.0.4-28mdk librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by perl-URPM-0.81-13mdk librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by rpmtools-4.5-9mdk librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by rpm-build-4.0.4-28mdk librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-12mdk librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by grpmi-9.1-15.1mdk librpmbuild-4.0.4.so is needed by rpm-build-4.0.4-28mdk librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by perl-URPM-0.81-13mdk librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by rpmtools-4.5-9mdk librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by rpm-build-4.0.4-28mdk librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-12mdk librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by grpmi-9.1-15.1mdk librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by perl-URPM-0.81-13mdk librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by rpmtools-4.5-9mdk librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by rpm-build-4.0.4-28mdk librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by gnorpm-0.96-12mdk librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by grpmi-9.1-15.1mdk At this point I decided it was time to go make myself a nice strong cup of tea! John Originally I believe that's a fair complaint. But urpmi has been under heavy development and improvement. Latest version for the up coming 9.2 is urpmi-4.3-15mdk and works very well. There will always be more problems with non-Mandrake packages tho. A lot of this due to improperly packaged rpms, not urpmi. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas xxx Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Web:http://www.thewillbys.com ASCII ribbon campaign / \ MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - against HTML email \ / ICQ:92791912vCards X OS: Mandrake 9.1 [Well and truly cooked]/ \ I have dreamed a dream but now that dream has gone from me xxx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Tuesday June 17 2003 12:59 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: I tried that! It went like this: many many dep failures snipped At this point I decided it was time to go make myself a nice strong cup of tea! John Maybe I wasn't clear enough. The latest version is in cooker and will only run on cooker 9.2. Besides all those deps you got, you would'a got even more if you'd tried to install them, and more when you tried to satisfy those. If you were ever able to get done, you'd be runnin cooker 9.2. FWIW, and an example of current heavy development, urpmi-4.3-15mdk is now the old version, today's is urpmi-4.4-1mdk Originally I believe that's a fair complaint. But urpmi has been under heavy development and improvement. Latest version for the up coming 9.2 is urpmi-4.3-15mdk and works very well. .There will always be more problems with non-Mandrake packages tho. A lot of this due to improperly packaged rpms, not urpmi. . That's the main point I wanted to make. 3rd party or non-Mandrake packages/tarballs, specially closed source proprietary ones are gonna be a problem whether you use urpmi or not. You'll be better off runnin cooker, then messin up your system with them ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Hi Yes technically I gree. However I find that often it flags conflicts which are really dependancy problems. I think it gets confused sometimes with 3rd level dependancies (i.e. the dependancy for the rpm you are installing also need dependancies satisfying). Anybody else confirm correct me on this? I prefer to do download and install from the command prompt. But then I like being in control :-) its a linux thing :-) John On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:58:04+0100 Derek Jennings[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 7:23 pm, Ralph Bagwell wrote: Hi Joe, I have gaim up and working just fine with AOL,MSN and Yahoo messenger programs. I was never able to follow your instructions using urpmi - I tried : urpmi.addmedia texstar ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms with hdlist.cz many times and never got it to work. I then tried another suggestion by someone else and the file was available and was downloading for a couple of hours until I gave up - it never finished. Then I went to the texstar ftp site , downloaded the file in a couple of minutes and clicked on the file and it installed in another couple of minutes - all by itself - Question is why is this not the preferred method of installing new software - ? Am I missing something ? urpmi is better than just downloading the package because Linux apps are modular. They depend on each other. If you install an app using urpmi it will automatically work out which other apps/libraries are needed, find them on the web and install them too. You were lucky with gaim because you already had all the dependencies installed. Had one been missing the install would have failed. With urpmi you do not even need to know where an app is on the net. You just declare a number of 'sources' and whichever one has the most up to date version of the application you want will be used. You can use the Mandrake software manager to browse the available apps. The reason you had trouble with Texstars urpmi source is because you were using the mirror in Turkey which is ***dreadful*** 'urpmi.removemedia texstar' will get rid of it. Go here http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php to find the path to Texstars ibiblio mirror. While there add a source for contrib and plf and you will gain access to many hundreds of cool applications. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net xxx Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Web:http://www.thewillbys.com ASCII ribbon campaign / \ MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - against HTML email \ / ICQ:92791912vCards X OS: Mandrake 9.1 [Well and truly cooked]/ \ I have dreamed a dream but now that dream has gone from me xxx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:27:36 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: However I find that often it flags conflicts which are really dependancy problems. I think it gets confused sometimes with 3rd level dependancies (i.e. the dependancy for the rpm you are installing also need dependancies satisfying). Anybody else confirm correct me on this? That shouldn't happen with URPMI if all of your sources are configured and updated. It's really important to run urpmi.update periodically to avoid this, also keep in mind that we are still maybe in a transitional phase, as the 9.0 mirrors shrink and the 9.1 mirrors grow. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 08:57:45 up 1 day, 9:37, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Monday June 16 2003 01:27 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: However I find that often it flags conflicts which are really dependancy problems. I think it gets confused sometimes with 3rd level dependancies (i.e. the dependancy for the rpm you are installing also need dependancies satisfying). Anybody else confirm correct me on this? Originally I believe that's a fair complaint. But urpmi has been under heavy development and improvement. Latest version for the up coming 9.2 is urpmi-4.3-15mdk and works very well. There will always be more problems with non-Mandrake packages tho. A lot of this due to improperly packaged rpms, not urpmi. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
9.2? Jeez you guys work hard! Don't seem very long at all since i downloaded 9.1. Its no wonder people like Miscrosoft look at Linux and think this is too good to be true. It really is. I like mandrake been using it since version 7 but only really got into it properly recently when I decided to finally get rid of XPee as my main system as I was sure I could do all that I wanted with it bar play games and with computers so cheap at the moment why not just get one to do that. My friend picked up a brand new Athlon 2Ghz with a CD-writer and 80gb of HDD and 256 RAM for £300 cash the other day! No monitor nor anything else but I have a KVM switch :-) John On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:04:48-0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday June 16 2003 01:27 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: However I find that often it flags conflicts which are really dependancy problems. I think it gets confused sometimes with 3rd level dependancies (i.e. the dependancy for the rpm you are installing also need dependancies satisfying). Anybody else confirm correct me on this? Originally I believe that's a fair complaint. But urpmi has been under heavy development and improvement. Latest version for the up coming 9.2 is urpmi-4.3-15mdk and works very well. There will always be more problems with non-Mandrake packages tho. A lot of this due to improperly packaged rpms, not urpmi. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas xxx Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Web:http://www.thewillbys.com ASCII ribbon campaign / \ MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - against HTML email \ / ICQ:92791912vCards X OS: Mandrake 9.1 [Well and truly cooked]/ \ I have dreamed a dream but now that dream has gone from me xxx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Hi Joe, I have gaim up and working just fine with AOL,MSN and Yahoo messenger programs. I was never able to follow your instructions using urpmi - I tried : urpmi.addmedia texstar ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms with hdlist.cz many times and never got it to work. I then tried another suggestion by someone else and the file was available and was downloading for a couple of hours until I gave up - it never finished. Then I went to the texstar ftp site , downloaded the file in a couple of minutes and clicked on the file and it installed in another couple of minutes - all by itself - Question is why is this not the preferred method of installing new software - ? Am I missing something ? Ralph O.K. sorry if I am telling you stuff you know already but... To become the root user open a terminal/console window and type: su when prompted give your password for the root user/super user (su) then copy and paste this line into your command line: urpmi.addmedia texstar ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms with hdlist.cz hit enter... wait till texstar is setup as a source for urpmi then type: urpmi gaim After downloading, you will be told that: the following packages have bad signatures: ...gaim-0.64-1tex.i586.rpm You DO want to continue installation, type y and enter, the signature is only bad because you don't have urpmi set up with the proper gpg signatures for this source. Now assuming that works you should have the updated version of gaim ready to use, including the MSN protocol. HTH, joe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:23:34 -0500 Ralph Bagwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Question is why is this not the preferred method of installing new software - ? Am I missing something ? *Normally* urpmi is a lot easier. Texstar has had problems with his mirrors intermittently over the last month or so. Also, different mirrors (for the other sources: main, contrib, etc.) will give you different speeds. I tried a few different ones before I found my best setup. Now I almost *never* have any probs. I should say though, I don't install a lot of Texstar stuff, since it is somewhat focused on KDE and I don't touch KDE with a ten foot pole. Try the Texstar mirror at Ibiblio for urpmi, I heard it was back up and running ok and it should be faster too. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:15:04 up 16:54, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 7:23 pm, Ralph Bagwell wrote: Hi Joe, I have gaim up and working just fine with AOL,MSN and Yahoo messenger programs. I was never able to follow your instructions using urpmi - I tried : urpmi.addmedia texstar ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms with hdlist.cz many times and never got it to work. I then tried another suggestion by someone else and the file was available and was downloading for a couple of hours until I gave up - it never finished. Then I went to the texstar ftp site , downloaded the file in a couple of minutes and clicked on the file and it installed in another couple of minutes - all by itself - Question is why is this not the preferred method of installing new software - ? Am I missing something ? urpmi is better than just downloading the package because Linux apps are modular. They depend on each other. If you install an app using urpmi it will automatically work out which other apps/libraries are needed, find them on the web and install them too. You were lucky with gaim because you already had all the dependencies installed. Had one been missing the install would have failed. With urpmi you do not even need to know where an app is on the net. You just declare a number of 'sources' and whichever one has the most up to date version of the application you want will be used. You can use the Mandrake software manager to browse the available apps. The reason you had trouble with Texstars urpmi source is because you were using the mirror in Turkey which is ***dreadful*** 'urpmi.removemedia texstar' will get rid of it. Go here http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php to find the path to Texstars ibiblio mirror. While there add a source for contrib and plf and you will gain access to many hundreds of cool applications. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Ralph Bagwell wrote: Hi Joe, I have gaim up and working just fine with AOL,MSN and Yahoo messenger programs. Glad to hear it. Hope it works well for you, it has for me on the few occassions i wanted to use it. I was never able to follow your instructions using urpmi - I tried : urpmi.addmedia texstar ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms with hdlist.cz many times and never got it to work. I then tried another suggestion by someone else and the file was available and was downloading for a couple of hours until I gave up - it never finished. That is odd, perhaps my (or your) email program messed up the syntax of that line (extra space in there maybe?) because it worked for me, just seconds before I emailed you. Then I went to the texstar ftp site , downloaded the file in a couple of minutes and clicked on the file and it installed in another couple of minutes - all by itself - Question is why is this not the preferred method of installing new software - ? Am I missing something ? Ralph URPMI is usually preferred because it will find dependencies for you, a process that can be extremely tedious for programs that have many dependencies, unlike this one. Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 10:40, Ralph Bagwell wrote: I am still embarrassed to post because you newbies seem light years ahead of me - oh well. I downloaded and installed with zero problems amsn a messenger program very like Windows Messenger. I actually swapped a few lines with a friend. I closed Konqueror and promptly my chat window went away. Now I don't know how to start messenger program again. A new msn subdirectory is now present but I can't find an exe file anywhere to start the messenger program . Please tell me how to run the program and put an icon on the desktop - thanks - from a real newbie. The program binary should either be living in your /usr/bin directory or the /usr/local/bin directory = you should be able to just type the command amsn in a terminal or in a run dialogue and it SHOULD come up working like a champ... -- Sat Jun 14 17:00:00 EST 2003 17:00:00 up 1 day, 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.13, 0.06 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * If bankers can count, how come they have eight windows and only four tellers? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Hi Another great program for MSN and ICQ (and some other protocols too) is Kopete. You get to do everything with one program. If you have Mandrake 9.1 you can get the URPMI from the club site. I have version 6.2 on here and you get all the links in start menu (for those who need them). John xx Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Web:http://www.thewillbys.com ASCII ribbon campaign / \ MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - against HTML email \ / ICQ:92791912 vCards X Cars: 1990 Rover Vitesse; 1991 Rover Sterling; 1989 Isuzu Piazza/ \ I have dreamed a dream but now that dream has gone from me xx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 1:40 am, Ralph Bagwell wrote: I am still embarrassed to post because you newbies seem light years ahead of me - oh well. Some of us feel to be newbies for a *verrry* long time g But it's not so long since we took our first steps that we've forgotten g (PS Anne, I still have not found out how to add my Epson printer - but I have learned a few things - I can ping my remote with either the name or IP - A thing called KjobViewer says I have 5 jobs queued -three from root and 2 from ralph - right clicking these entries and left clicking job IPP report yields a mountain of info on the print job - including an IP (192.168.0.157:631/jobs/14 (for example) - which is very curious because the IP assigned by my server is 192.168.0.137 - I have no idea how this is happening.) ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph - could you look at /etc/smb.conf to see where it is locating your spool file, and check that your print jobs are actually in that file. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Sure thing. My smb.conf file is at /etc/samba/ . It says under [printers] path = /var/spool/samba and yes my jobs are there. It also says workgroup = MDKGROUP under [global] Is this file editable? And does it config samba ? Ralph - could you look at /etc/smb.conf to see where it is locating your spool file, and check that your print jobs are actually in that file. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Thanks a lot Joe BUT: I have the program running but can only get AOL to work. I have only two options AOL/ICQ and TOC (whatever that is) as proocols available,. I was unable to follow your instructions on setting up the urpmi deal. But I now know how to make the amsn program run - which gives me MSN use - although I have been unable to execute the program like I think you are supposed to - nor can I put an icon on the desktop for it - I do have an icon for gaim. ralph I use a program called gaim to chat with people on MSN, it comes with MDK9.1 but i found it easier to install a newer version that had the msn plug-in installed (rather than mess around with the version that comes with mandrake 9.1). make sure you have urpmi set up properly with texstar as a source, this page can help with that: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php then (as root) type into a console: urpmi gaim then (using the updated version of gaim you will find under networking/instant messaging in the kde menu) it is pretty fool proof to set up an account and chat with people on MSN (click on accounts, select add, choose msn as protocol, put in a user name and password, and viola!) To get the icon on the desktop in KDE click 'n drag gaim from instant messaginge menu to the desktop. When given the option choose link here. From one newb to another, hope this helps. Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Really great help derek - thanks ralph How do I get an icon on the desktop that runs the program ? ./amsn means run the application amsn which will be found in the current directory. It would also work if you typed /path/to/directory/amsn In Linux any file can be executable if the 'execute' file attribute bit is set. It does not need an .exe or .bin extension. If you are running KDE.To make a desktop icon just right click on desktop and select CreateNewLink to application If the app you want to run already has a menu item then just click on the kde menu and drag/drop the menu entry onto the desktop. If you want to add a new menu item, run menudrake from Mandrake Control Centre. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 2:57 pm, Ralph Bagwell wrote: Sure thing. My smb.conf file is at /etc/samba/ . It says under [printers] path = /var/spool/samba and yes my jobs are there. It also says workgroup = MDKGROUP under [global] Is this file editable? And does it config samba ? It does, indeed. The workgroup needs setting to whatever your windows boxes use, and remember that it's case sensitive. I would definitely delete those jobs in the queue. If they can't be processed for any reason they will block the queue for other jobs. If you are printing from a windows box, did you install the windows drivers on the box, or try to use cups? Finally, the windows boxes probably have to have the output set to raw on the advanced tab/button. How did you set up your samba configuration? And how did you set up the printer sharing? Can you remind us where you want to print from and to? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Ralph Bagwell wrote: Thanks a lot Joe BUT: I have the program running but can only get AOL to work. I have only two options AOL/ICQ and TOC (whatever that is) as proocols available,. I was unable to follow your instructions on setting up the urpmi deal. But I now know how to make the amsn program run - which gives me MSN use - although I have been unable to execute the program like I think you are supposed to - nor can I put an icon on the desktop for it - I do have an icon for gaim. ralph O.K. sorry if I am telling you stuff you know already but... To become the root user open a terminal/console window and type: su when prompted give your password for the root user/super user (su) then copy and paste this line into your command line: urpmi.addmedia texstar ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms with hdlist.cz hit enter... wait till texstar is setup as a source for urpmi then type: urpmi gaim After downloading, you will be told that: the following packages have bad signatures: ...gaim-0.64-1tex.i586.rpm You DO want to continue installation, type y and enter, the signature is only bad because you don't have urpmi set up with the proper gpg signatures for this source. Now assuming that works you should have the updated version of gaim ready to use, including the MSN protocol. HTH, joe I use a program called gaim to chat with people on MSN, it comes with MDK9.1 but i found it easier to install a newer version that had the msn plug-in installed (rather than mess around with the version that comes with mandrake 9.1). make sure you have urpmi set up properly with texstar as a source, this page can help with that: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php then (as root) type into a console: urpmi gaim then (using the updated version of gaim you will find under networking/instant messaging in the kde menu) it is pretty fool proof to set up an account and chat with people on MSN (click on accounts, select add, choose msn as protocol, put in a user name and password, and viola!) To get the icon on the desktop in KDE click 'n drag gaim from instant messaginge menu to the desktop. When given the option choose link here. From one newb to another, hope this helps. Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid
Ralph Bagwell wrote: I am still embarrassed to post because you newbies seem light years ahead of me - oh well. I downloaded and installed with zero problems amsn a messenger program very like Windows Messenger. I actually swapped a few lines with a friend. I closed Konqueror and promptly my chat window went away. Now I don't know how to start messenger program again. A new msn subdirectory is now present but I can't find an exe file anywhere to start the messenger program . Please tell me how to run the program and put an icon on the desktop - thanks - from a real newbie. I use a program called gaim to chat with people on MSN, it comes with MDK9.1 but i found it easier to install a newer version that had the msn plug-in installed (rather than mess around with the version that comes with mandrake 9.1). make sure you have urpmi set up properly with texstar as a source, this page can help with that: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php then (as root) type into a console: urpmi gaim then (using the updated version of gaim you will find under networking/instant messaging in the kde menu) it is pretty fool proof to set up an account and chat with people on MSN (click on accounts, select add, choose msn as protocol, put in a user name and password, and viola!) To get the icon on the desktop in KDE click 'n drag gaim from instant messaginge menu to the desktop. When given the option choose link here. From one newb to another, hope this helps. Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
