[newbie] Install Woes
Hello: I am attempting to install Mandrake on a P-266 laptop (with 32 megs of RAM). This is one in the "sub-notebook" range, so the FDD is external and I do not have it (got the unit used). I do have the external PCMCIA CD-ROM drive. But, the CD is not bootable. I tried following the directions using the RAWRITE program, but cannot seem to get that to work. Looking around on the web page I saw about Linux4Win and got that partially working (although a dual boot was not exactly what I was looking for). But when it reboots and gets to the point where it wants the PCMCIA support to load from the CD, it tells me to insert the PCMCIA support disk. I don't seem to have one that will work properly? Can anyone help me with this? As a last resort, I do have other machines set up through a hub here. Could I share the drives (FDD and CD-ROM) and load across an Ethernet link? Thanks! David -- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken
[newbie] iNSTALL WOES , pHASE ii
Now that I have Linux installed. I am needing to setup my NIC and my sound card. My Nic is attached to my cable mode. The unit (NIC) is very generic in nature, so do I need to by one thats on the "approved list" or should I try it the one I have. Next is toi setup my sound card, /I have a Diamond Monster card the I am duely imppressed with. I hope its on one of the " approved list" THanx again
Re: [newbie] iNSTALL WOES , pHASE ii
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Glenn White wrote: Now that I have Linux installed. I am needing to setup my NIC and my sound card. My Nic is attached to my cable mode. The unit (NIC) is very generic in nature, so do I need to by one thats on the "approved list" or should I try it the one I have. in my experiances rr generaly supplies you with a 3com card. you need to know what the card is exactly though so pop the case and look. Next is toi setup my sound card, /I have a Diamond Monster card the I am duely imppressed with. I hope its on one of the " approved list" No clue, run sndconfig.. THanx again -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] Install woes (con't)
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, you wrote: Thanks to the very helpful advice about the partion info that I recived I finally got Linux to install without issue, however when it comes up I am completely, without question, dumbfounded by the command line structure, I thought it was going to come up in the xwindow deal but I guess I thought wrong. I guess now that I got it installed I can do a reinstal to see if I missed any steps. And as I think about it, the install went a bit quicker this time as well, dont seem to remevber as many steps as I took before. But as I wait patiently on this I will continue to try the install again... Thanx a bunch for all you guyes help! No...no need to reinstall. log on as "root" and go edit your /etc/inittab file and find the line that says "id:3:initdefault:" and change that to "id:5:initdefault:" (minus quotes on both of these, btw.) Then, reboot. BTW, the editor *I* like best is "joe." The command line to edit this would be "joe /etc/inittab" (minus quotes.) Then, scroll down using your down arrow key until you find the "id:3..." line and scroll over until you pass the "3" and then backspace over the "3" and type "5". Then hit your CTRL+K+D, then CTRL+K+X. Then type /sbin/reboot. That should take care of things. John
Re: [newbie] Install woes (con't)
John GlennI'd not be editing my /etc/inittab file till I'd successfully executed a startx command at least once. Alan John Aldrich wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, you wrote: Thanks to the very helpful advice about the partion info that I recived I finally got Linux to install without issue, however when it comes up I am completely, without question, dumbfounded by the command line structure, I thought it was going to come up in the xwindow deal but I guess I thought wrong. I guess now that I got it installed I can do a reinstal to see if I missed any steps. And as I think about it, the install went a bit quicker this time as well, dont seem to remevber as many steps as I took before. But as I wait patiently on this I will continue to try the install again... Thanx a bunch for all you guyes help! No...no need to reinstall. log on as "root" and go edit your /etc/inittab file and find the line that says "id:3:initdefault:" and change that to "id:5:initdefault:" (minus quotes on both of these, btw.) Then, reboot. BTW, the editor *I* like best is "joe." The command line to edit this would be "joe /etc/inittab" (minus quotes.) Then, scroll down using your down arrow key until you find the "id:3..." line and scroll over until you pass the "3" and then backspace over the "3" and type "5". Then hit your CTRL+K+D, then CTRL+K+X. Then type /sbin/reboot. That should take care of things. John
Re: [newbie] Install woes (con't)
assuming you have everything running right, then after you log in, type startx to get kde or gnome running. --- Glenn White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to the very helpful advice about the partion info that I recived I finally got Linux to install without issue, however when it comes up I am completely, without question, dumbfounded by the command line structure, I thought it was going to come up in the xwindow deal but I guess I thought wrong. I guess now that I got it installed I can do a reinstal to see if I missed any steps. And as I think about it, the install went a bit quicker this time as well, dont seem to remevber as many steps as I took before. But as I wait patiently on this I will continue to try the install again... Thanx a bunch for all you guyes help! glenn __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Install woes (con't)
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Alan Shoemaker wrote: John GlennI'd not be editing my /etc/inittab file till I'd successfully executed a startx command at least once. You're correct! Thanks for catching that. :-) John
Re: [newbie] Install woes
I unserstand, I think And yes I do not have anyspace avalible in the first 1024 sectors, which is why when I try to load up botloader, it fails every time, and even if I use the boot floppy made during installation, I get an error: 0X10 whats that error all about, and thanx abunch for the help - Original Message - From: hugahog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Install woes OK, Glenn, We'll get you through this. First go back and read everything you received in this thread. From reading just what you have said it seems strange linux set up dos to be the default because usually its the other way around. But let's assume that is true. You may still have lilo set up you just need to intervene. Are you saying you don't see the word LILO just before you boot into dos? If you DO see LILO then hit tab and you will see your options. If you don't see LILO then you need to do what I said in the first place. But you don't need to go into Disk Druid because you only need to fake an UPGRADE not do an install. You will be allowed to edit the area where you saw the * by dos. You won't be able to change that at this point but you can tell it what your root partition is on your linux setup and give it a name (label) which will show up when you hit tab key when you see the word LILO during boot-up. You have about 10 seconds to type in linux ( or what ever you used as label). If you just look at it it will boot the default. Your other option is to make a linux boot disk directly from the cdrom. You can do this be letting dos boot to the dos prompt, not windows. Then access your cd-rom to make the boot disk. Actually, I haven't needed to do that. I just make 'm like I explained before. This is the easy part. Wait til you get in a little deeper. I'll be a newbie for months to come :-) **This is important** almost slipped by me. Check how many cylinders your hard drive is set up with in your bios if you haven't already. Your linux root or (boot) partition if you have a separate /boot partition (and so far you don't) must be under the 1024th cylinder. By under I mean less than. If that is the problem and you have a modern motherboard and bios you may be able to pick a different CHS to satisfy this requirment. If not you will have to create at least a /boot partition up near the start of the drive. I you have Partition Magic this is not too hard to move partitions around. Get back with us. Larry -Original Message- From: Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Install woes On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:07:41 -0600, you wrote: you are ofcourse assuming I can even get to a Linux '/' prompt. I cant do anything with 'cause when it comes back up (the system) it has Win98 instead. I have my disk divided as follows, 1 = Win98 - fat326gigs 2 = fat32 2gigs 3 = Linux native5gigs 4 = Linux Swap 2gigs First questionwhy do you have 2gigs set aside as your swap partition. That is excessive...to put it mildly. For what you would prob need, 100-200 megs would be maximum size needed for your swap partition. When I go thru druid I point out these (3 4) and have them used as my Linux partitions. It accepts it and we move on when I get to the point of the LILO, it seems to work just as well, however I do remember the '*' being on the Linux partitions and it not letting me select the fat32 partition, but it still completes with out incident, and it just does not work the way I am doing it. So you see I cant even get to the directories that you are reffering to cause I cant get the dual boot option. LILO is not a directory..and when he described you being able to make a boot floppy, using that boot floppy will put u into linux which WILL allow you to setup LILO properly and WILL allow you access your linux drive. I do recommend you use a much smaller swap partition. glenn - Original Message - From: hugahog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Install woes Here is one way. Boot with the installation CD-Rom and select "upgrade". A little later you will have the opportunity of editing its selections of , say yes but don't change anything, just indicate your are done. You should then be given the opportunity to make a boot disk and maybe even have lilo installed on your boot mbr ( I forget exactly about that) either way you're all set then. If all you get is the boot disk you can go into linux and edit your /ect/lilo.conf file to show dos/linux and the priority of booting.If you do edit lilo.conf (as root) you will then need to run /sbin/lilo to have it go into effect. Larry ---
[newbie] Install woes (con't)
Thanks to the very helpful advice about the partion info that I recived I finally got Linux to install without issue, however when it comes up I am completely, without question, dumbfounded by the command line structure, I thought it was going to come up in the xwindow deal but I guess I thought wrong. I guess now that I got it installed I can do a reinstal to see if I missed any steps. And as I think about it, the install went a bit quicker this time as well, dont seem to remevber as many steps as I took before. But as I wait patiently on this I will continue to try the install again... Thanx a bunch for all you guyes help! glenn
[newbie] Install woes
I have recently purchased the retail version on Mandrake ver 6.5, I tried installing several different ways, I have Win98 on my primary partition, with SysytemCommander booting up. First I tried by going thru the System Commander, however it does not recogniges the floppy as an install disk for the OS, so next I remove SystemCommander and I was going to use LILO to do the switch between the two. However after it said install was complete ( and I always try the defaults first) I rebooted the system only to have Win98 come up on its own, I am aparently doing something wrong but the Documents dont stipulate anything that I may be doing wrong, and I bought just for the documents, other wise I just would have used the copy I got from the COMDEX99 in Vagas! Any help at all would be greatly appreciated, Ive pretty much gave up until I can get such help. I tried to sign up for support for the version I bought thru the Macmillian Pub. but they make it too damn difficult to do so. So he I sit in my dark corner looking for a way into the light! glenn begin:vcard n:White;Glenn tel;pager:800-GTE-GRAM PIN:1520183 tel;cell:816-289-0243 tel;fax:816-842-0198 tel;home:913-403-0079 tel;work:816-842-3685 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:WTS;DSSD version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Field Service Rep. note:rev. 09-12-99 adr;quoted-printable:;;1301 West 25th St=0D=0A;Kansas City;MO;64108;USA fn:Glenn White end:vcard
Re: [newbie] Install woes
Here is one way. Boot with the installation CD-Rom and select "upgrade". A little later you will have the opportunity of editing its selections of , say yes but don't change anything, just indicate your are done. You should then be given the opportunity to make a boot disk and maybe even have lilo installed on your boot mbr ( I forget exactly about that) either way you're all set then. If all you get is the boot disk you can go into linux and edit your /ect/lilo.conf file to show dos/linux and the priority of booting.If you do edit lilo.conf (as root) you will then need to run /sbin/lilo to have it go into effect. Larry -Original Message- From: Glenn White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: [newbie] Install woes I have recently purchased the retail version on Mandrake ver 6.5, I tried installing several different ways, I have Win98 on my primary partition, with SysytemCommander booting up. First I tried by going thru the System Commander, however it does not recogniges the floppy as an install disk for the OS, so next I remove SystemCommander and I was going to use LILO to do the switch between the two. However after it said install was complete ( and I always try the defaults first) I rebooted the system only to have Win98 come up on its own, I am aparently doing something wrong but the Documents dont stipulate anything that I may be doing wrong, and I bought just for the documents, other wise I just would have used the copy I got from the COMDEX99 in Vagas! Any help at all would be greatly appreciated, Ive pretty much gave up until I can get such help. I tried to sign up for support for the version I bought thru the Macmillian Pub. but they make it too damn difficult to do so. So he I sit in my dark corner looking for a way into the light! glenn
Re: [newbie] Install woes
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Glenn White wrote: you are ofcourse assuming I can even get to a Linux '/' prompt. I cant do anything with 'cause when it comes back up (the system) it has Win98 instead. I have my disk divided as follows, 1 = Win98 - fat326gigs 2 = fat32 2gigs 3 = Linux native5gigs 4 = Linux Swap 2gigs When I go thru druid I point out these (3 4) and have them used as my Linux partitions. It accepts it and we move on when I get to the point of the LILO, it seems to work just as well, however I do remember the '*' being on the Linux partitions and it not letting me select the fat32 partition, but it still completes with out incident, and it just does not work the way I am doing it. So you see I cant even get to the directories that you are reffering to cause I cant get the dual boot option. glenn When the screen appears thats asks "Install or Upgrade, there is an open conosle on tty2, - Original Message - From: hugahog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Install woes Here is one way. Boot with the installation CD-Rom and select "upgrade". A little later you will have the opportunity of editing its selections of , say yes but don't change anything, just indicate your are done. You should then be given the opportunity to make a boot disk and maybe even have lilo installed on your boot mbr ( I forget exactly about that) either way you're all set then. If all you get is the boot disk you can go into linux and edit your /ect/lilo.conf file to show dos/linux and the priority of booting.If you do edit lilo.conf (as root) you will then need to run /sbin/lilo to have it go into effect. Larry -Original Message- From: Glenn White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: [newbie] Install woes I have recently purchased the retail version on Mandrake ver 6.5, I tried installing several different ways, I have Win98 on my primary partition, with SysytemCommander booting up. First I tried by going thru the System Commander, however it does not recogniges the floppy as an install disk for the OS, so next I remove SystemCommander and I was going to use LILO to do the switch between the two. However after it said install was complete ( and I always try the defaults first) I rebooted the system only to have Win98 come up on its own, I am aparently doing something wrong but the Documents dont stipulate anything that I may be doing wrong, and I bought just for the documents, other wise I just would have used the copy I got from the COMDEX99 in Vagas! Any help at all would be greatly appreciated, Ive pretty much gave up until I can get such help. I tried to sign up for support for the version I bought thru the Macmillian Pub. but they make it too damn difficult to do so. So he I sit in my dark corner looking for a way into the light! glenn -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] Install woes
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:07:41 -0600, you wrote: you are ofcourse assuming I can even get to a Linux '/' prompt. I cant do anything with 'cause when it comes back up (the system) it has Win98 instead. I have my disk divided as follows, 1 = Win98 - fat326gigs 2 = fat32 2gigs 3 = Linux native5gigs 4 = Linux Swap 2gigs First questionwhy do you have 2gigs set aside as your swap partition. That is excessive...to put it mildly. For what you would prob need, 100-200 megs would be maximum size needed for your swap partition. When I go thru druid I point out these (3 4) and have them used as my Linux partitions. It accepts it and we move on when I get to the point of the LILO, it seems to work just as well, however I do remember the '*' being on the Linux partitions and it not letting me select the fat32 partition, but it still completes with out incident, and it just does not work the way I am doing it. So you see I cant even get to the directories that you are reffering to cause I cant get the dual boot option. LILO is not a directory..and when he described you being able to make a boot floppy, using that boot floppy will put u into linux which WILL allow you to setup LILO properly and WILL allow you access your linux drive. I do recommend you use a much smaller swap partition. glenn - Original Message - From: hugahog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Install woes Here is one way. Boot with the installation CD-Rom and select "upgrade". A little later you will have the opportunity of editing its selections of , say yes but don't change anything, just indicate your are done. You should then be given the opportunity to make a boot disk and maybe even have lilo installed on your boot mbr ( I forget exactly about that) either way you're all set then. If all you get is the boot disk you can go into linux and edit your /ect/lilo.conf file to show dos/linux and the priority of booting.If you do edit lilo.conf (as root) you will then need to run /sbin/lilo to have it go into effect. Larry -Original Message- From: Glenn White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: [newbie] Install woes I have recently purchased the retail version on Mandrake ver 6.5, I tried installing several different ways, I have Win98 on my primary partition, with SysytemCommander booting up. First I tried by going thru the System Commander, however it does not recogniges the floppy as an install disk for the OS, so next I remove SystemCommander and I was going to use LILO to do the switch between the two. However after it said install was complete ( and I always try the defaults first) I rebooted the system only to have Win98 come up on its own, I am aparently doing something wrong but the Documents dont stipulate anything that I may be doing wrong, and I bought just for the documents, other wise I just would have used the copy I got from the COMDEX99 in Vagas! Any help at all would be greatly appreciated, Ive pretty much gave up until I can get such help. I tried to sign up for support for the version I bought thru the Macmillian Pub. but they make it too damn difficult to do so. So he I sit in my dark corner looking for a way into the light! glenn
Re: [newbie] Install woes
OK, Glenn, We'll get you through this. First go back and read everything you received in this thread. From reading just what you have said it seems strange linux set up dos to be the default because usually its the other way around. But let's assume that is true. You may still have lilo set up you just need to intervene. Are you saying you don't see the word LILO just before you boot into dos? If you DO see LILO then hit tab and you will see your options. If you don't see LILO then you need to do what I said in the first place. But you don't need to go into Disk Druid because you only need to fake an UPGRADE not do an install. You will be allowed to edit the area where you saw the * by dos. You won't be able to change that at this point but you can tell it what your root partition is on your linux setup and give it a name (label) which will show up when you hit tab key when you see the word LILO during boot-up. You have about 10 seconds to type in linux ( or what ever you used as label). If you just look at it it will boot the default. Your other option is to make a linux boot disk directly from the cdrom. You can do this be letting dos boot to the dos prompt, not windows. Then access your cd-rom to make the boot disk. Actually, I haven't needed to do that. I just make 'm like I explained before. This is the easy part. Wait til you get in a little deeper. I'll be a newbie for months to come :-) **This is important** almost slipped by me. Check how many cylinders your hard drive is set up with in your bios if you haven't already. Your linux root or (boot) partition if you have a separate /boot partition (and so far you don't) must be under the 1024th cylinder. By under I mean less than. If that is the problem and you have a modern motherboard and bios you may be able to pick a different CHS to satisfy this requirment. If not you will have to create at least a /boot partition up near the start of the drive. I you have Partition Magic this is not too hard to move partitions around. Get back with us. Larry -Original Message- From: Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Install woes On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:07:41 -0600, you wrote: you are ofcourse assuming I can even get to a Linux '/' prompt. I cant do anything with 'cause when it comes back up (the system) it has Win98 instead. I have my disk divided as follows, 1 = Win98 - fat326gigs 2 = fat32 2gigs 3 = Linux native5gigs 4 = Linux Swap 2gigs First questionwhy do you have 2gigs set aside as your swap partition. That is excessive...to put it mildly. For what you would prob need, 100-200 megs would be maximum size needed for your swap partition. When I go thru druid I point out these (3 4) and have them used as my Linux partitions. It accepts it and we move on when I get to the point of the LILO, it seems to work just as well, however I do remember the '*' being on the Linux partitions and it not letting me select the fat32 partition, but it still completes with out incident, and it just does not work the way I am doing it. So you see I cant even get to the directories that you are reffering to cause I cant get the dual boot option. LILO is not a directory..and when he described you being able to make a boot floppy, using that boot floppy will put u into linux which WILL allow you to setup LILO properly and WILL allow you access your linux drive. I do recommend you use a much smaller swap partition. glenn - Original Message - From: hugahog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Install woes Here is one way. Boot with the installation CD-Rom and select "upgrade". A little later you will have the opportunity of editing its selections of , say yes but don't change anything, just indicate your are done. You should then be given the opportunity to make a boot disk and maybe even have lilo installed on your boot mbr ( I forget exactly about that) either way you're all set then. If all you get is the boot disk you can go into linux and edit your /ect/lilo.conf file to show dos/linux and the priority of booting.If you do edit lilo.conf (as root) you will then need to run /sbin/lilo to have it go into effect. Larry -Original Message- From: Glenn White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: [newbie] Install woes I have recently purchased the retail version on Mandrake ver 6.5, I tried installing several different ways, I have Win98 on my primary partition, with SysytemCommander booting up. First I tried by going thru the System Commander, however it does not recogniges the floppy as an install disk for the OS, so next I remove SystemCommander and I was going to use LILO to do the swit
