Re: [newbie] Just wondering...
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RE: [newbie] just wondering
I have heard some remarks like; lets get back to discussing *Linux related topics*, Okay, my bad.. to be honest, i am quite enjoying the discussion. Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Charles Punch[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 August 2001 15:08 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] just wondering File: message.txt Francis J Keller wrote: I thought this was a technical support list for people trying to learn the mandrake systems not worrying about where they post thier replies s wrote: To some people it is. To others, it's a place to learn about Linux Mandrake, but not specifically restricted to technical support. I have heard the history and social context of various open source and Linux related topics discussed, which I personally find of interest. This seems to tick some people off. I have heard some remarks like; lets get back to discussing *Linux related topics*, when in fact that particular thread did not even start out on a technical topic (although it was defintely Linux related). There is also another group. Those who have a certain amount of experience in these areas and forget that this is a newbie list. These guy's seem to brag a lot about what they know and try to make newbies look foolish. Some of these occasionally resort to name calling. If someone can't form a logical progression in communicating with another human being, then their advice about how to communicate with a computer is probably suspect as well. Fortunately, there is yet another group (thank God), who are very experienced (experts). They are very patient with newbies and sefishly devote a lot of time and effort to help people out with problems. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:32 pm, Charles Punch wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. What is the problem with top posting. It seems to me that usually it is the only way to keep the message in context (especially if everyone else on the thread is doing it that way) Shouldn't consistency be more appropriate than having a war over which end to crack your eggs on? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Actually I find it quite annoying if following a thread to have to scroll to the bottom of each and every post. I like top posting, but I usually follow suit with what the thread is doing. If I'm the first replier, then it depends if I'm posting throughout, tho due to the repeat of this conversation I mostly try bottom posting. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
I thought this was a technical support list for people trying to learn the mandrake systems not worrying about where they post thier replies s wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:32 pm, Charles Punch wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. What is the problem with top posting. It seems to me that usually it is the only way to keep the message in context (especially if everyone else on the thread is doing it that way) Shouldn't consistency be more appropriate than having a war over which end to crack your eggs on? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Actually I find it quite annoying if following a thread to have to scroll to the bottom of each and every post. I like top posting, but I usually follow suit with what the thread is doing. If I'm the first replier, then it depends if I'm posting throughout, tho due to the repeat of this conversation I mostly try bottom posting. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com begin:vcard n:Keller;Francis J. x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:N/A adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Mr. x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Francis J. Keller end:vcard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:47, Tim Holmes wrote: Those links are all find and dandy, but not for a MAILING list. Those are unwritten and accepted ruls for NEWSGROUPS, which this is not. The reason why those are so accepted and enforced on news groups, is because 100% of all newsreaders I've used, show the original post and responses right there with the message. So quoting a post is really only for the person that reads a post, then deletes the thread. That would be the only need for hugely quoted message. However, mailing lists are entirely different. Some people don't include any of the message they're responding to, and as I've noticed in working envirnment, replies that come in several days AFTER the original message was sent, catches the person of guard. Not sure what email is about, so they then go searching for the message they sent. Also in the case of this mailing list, we have a lot of questions asked about KMail. So we know a lot of people on the list are using that, and of course there's pine. Neither one of these readers will sort out the mail into threads. So you can have the original question sent in at noon, the first response comes in at a 2. But in that two our time span, 25 other messages come in. So rather then just replying and hoping people can find the post it was a reply to, they add what they're replying to. And this is really only a courtesy for those have readers like this. So that's why it's placed at the bottom. I don't mean to pick, but KMail in KDE 2.2 _does_ support threading. I agree with your arguments, though :-) -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
Yeah, somebody else mentioned this to me, and also said that Pine did as well. I guess it was the version I used at the time. I only used KMail and Pine long enough to know I hated them. Been using Mutt for some time now. But this topic seems to have gotten well out of hand. I even had a few people email me with quite nasty notes after my post. I was starting to believe I was the Anti-Christ and my Mother never told me, with the way they were responding and acting to all of this. And to think it started from a simple question about the mailing list! I wasn't even making a stand for either top posting or bottom posting, but I was still called an idiot and other host of lovely and very poignant names. As long as the message is conveyed, who cares where it's posted? But oh well. There are perks to living in a world where you can argue your point of view until you're blue in the face, now we just have to learn to afford other people the same rights huh? Thanks Sridhar! tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Use Vi! Uptime: 7:30am up 9 days, 13:15, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:47, Tim Holmes wrote: | Those links are all find and dandy, but not for a MAILING list. Those | are unwritten and accepted ruls for NEWSGROUPS, which this is not. | | The reason why those are so accepted and enforced on news groups, is | because 100% of all newsreaders I've used, show the original post and | responses right there with the message. So quoting a post is really | only for the person that reads a post, then deletes the thread. That | would be the only need for hugely quoted message. | | However, mailing lists are entirely different. Some people don't | include any of the message they're responding to, and as I've noticed in | working envirnment, replies that come in several days AFTER the original | message was sent, catches the person of guard. Not sure what email is | about, so they then go searching for the message they sent. | | Also in the case of this mailing list, we have a lot of questions asked | about KMail. So we know a lot of people on the list are using that, and | of course there's pine. Neither one of these readers will sort out the | mail into threads. So you can have the original question sent in at | noon, the first response comes in at a 2. But in that two our time | span, 25 other messages come in. So rather then just replying and | hoping people can find the post it was a reply to, they add what they're | replying to. And this is really only a courtesy for those have readers | like this. So that's why it's placed at the bottom. | | I don't mean to pick, but KMail in KDE 2.2 _does_ support threading. I agree | with your arguments, though :-) | | -- | Sridhar Dhanapalan. | There are two major products that come from Berkeley: | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. | -- Jeremy S. Anderson -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
Yes, I'm curious to. I suspect it was Code Red or some other Windoze email worm embedded in the HTML that couldn't have caused any Code Red is *NOT* an email worm, and has *NOTHING* to do with HTML. It is an MS *SPECIFIC* infector, altho web servers on other OSes may have problems, due to the amount of (illegal) traffic that a CR-infected web servers spews out in all directions. There is *NO* way to receive CodeRed in an email. Kmail. Then again I'm no security expert. I don't have to be. I quit using M$ products to connect to the Net, mail or news years ago. EVERYBODY needs to be a bit of a security expert. You don't seriously think that Unix/Linux has NO security issues whatsoever, do you? Look at all the security problems BIND and WU-FTP have had over the years. Unix/Linux has better security potgential than MS, but it doesn't mean you can just ignore security. -- -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 50453890 AIM: MikeLeone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF PGP public key: http://www.mike-leone.com/~turgon/turgon-public-key.gpg Taking a mental stroll through the psychic park of pleasure. PGP signature
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:57, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 25 August 2001 10:03 am, Michael Leone escribió: Kmail. Then again I'm no security expert. I don't have to be. I quit using M$ products to connect to the Net, mail or news years ago. EVERYBODY needs to be a bit of a security expert. You don't seriously think that Unix/Linux has NO security issues whatsoever, do you? Look at all the security problems BIND and WU-FTP have had over the years. Unix/Linux has better security potgential than MS, but it doesn't mean you can just ignore security. Security on a Linux system involves personal responsibility and must be an ongoing effort. I understand that. I didn't say I ignore security, I said I'm no expert, and don't need to be. Whether that's my fault or not is my business and my responsibility. I'm a single user on a desktop with nothin more than a 30k dialup connection to the net. I don't run any servers, much less an ftp server. I have an iptables firewall, never connect as root, and can pass the 'Complete' scan at www.sdesign.com with no vunerable ports. Since connecting back in the early 90's, and at about 300 hrs/month for the last 8 years since I've been disabled, I've never had any security related problems. Contrary to the opinion that HTML is safe, I've read several articles on the Net that say that worms and trojans can be included in HTML email. Maybe they're wrong? Maybe I misunderstood? I don't pretend to have the expertise to know. HTML by itself is a benign language. The problem is with embedded scripts, like JavaScript/ECMAscript and VBscript. VBscript is the main offender here, and is thankfully an M$-only language. It can be turned off, but it is on by default. JavaScript exploits are less common, since it is a safer language. One should still be careful, though. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] just wondering
Unfortunately, at work, I have to use Outlook - corporate policy for this particular site. I don't have a choice. With the way Outlook quotes, it's far more intuitive to top post, especially as it puts your sig up there at the top of the text when you hit reply. At home, however, I never top post. My Windows MUA is Turnpike - it quotes wonderfully and allows me to post inline. I'll apologise for my top-posting to the list now and get it out of the way. As a way of penance, I'll try to make any contributions to the list as helpful and clear as possible! Oh yes - apologies for the disclaimer stuff the gateway here tags on the end of all messages, that's out of my hands and I can't get rid of it. At least I trim and don't quote *everything* :-) BTW, corporate policy also dictates I use Word as the text editor - does it spew out HTML or is it text - I have it set to text, but it's difficult to tell just what it looks like when it finally leaves here. Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: s [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] just wondering Actually I find it quite annoying if following a thread to have to scroll to the bottom of each and every post. I like top posting, but I usually follow suit with what the thread is doing. If I'm the first replier, then it depends if I'm posting throughout, tho due to the repeat of this conversation I mostly try bottom posting. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... -s File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] just wondering
okay, seeing as we are abusing each other, can i just say that this argument is completely stupid? Okay, i can userstand why the use of HTML is annoying, but does it _really_ matter weather the message is posted at the top or bottom Oh, and yes, i am a top poster, if you dont like it.. ignore me :) Now can we get back to Linux like discussions? Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Charles Punch[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 August 2001 13:48 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] just wondering File: message.txt s wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:32 pm, Charles Punch wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. What is the problem with top posting. It seems to me that usually it is the only way to keep the message in context (especially if everyone else on the thread is doing it that way) Shouldn't consistency be more appropriate than having a war over which end to crack your eggs on? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Actually I find it quite annoying if following a thread to have to scroll to the bottom of each and every post. I like top posting, but I usually follow suit with what the thread is doing. If I'm the first replier, then it depends if I'm posting throughout, tho due to the repeat of this conversation I mostly try bottom posting. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... What do you do if it is important that the whole thread be understood in context? do you post at the bottom? Wouldn't that cause one to have to scroll to the bottom of the post as well? I hope it is understood that I am not trying to be difficult, but trying to make sense of these informal protocol. I also think it is crucial to remember that the right fork may be on a different side of the plate in a different part of the world. I have heard posts in favor of top posting and others against it. Who do I follow? (that was a rhetorical question) I'm goning to follow whatever make the most sense, so if you want to change my mind, give me a good reason instead of an emotional outburst or you will be ignored. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... A fart is your body complaining. If you want to use that analogy, why would you *complain* in public? Posts that complain about problems without offering a solution are the equivalent of someone standing in a doorway, complaining about people who stand in the doorway. It does no good to oversimplify a problem and apply a blanket rule that only addresses the part that *you* are upset about. why not be positive and illustrate a reasonable alternative? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 You k'n hide de fier, but w'at you gwine do wid de smoke? -- Joel Chandler Harris, proverbs of Uncle Remus _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] just wondering
erm.. sorry, on reading that maybe 'stupid' is a bit of a strong word. Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Adams, Jamie Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 August 2001 15:11 To:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] just wondering File: message.txt okay, seeing as we are abusing each other, can i just say that this argument is completely stupid? Okay, i can userstand why the use of HTML is annoying, but does it _really_ matter weather the message is posted at the top or bottom Oh, and yes, i am a top poster, if you dont like it.. ignore me :) Now can we get back to Linux like discussions? Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Charles Punch[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 August 2001 13:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] just wondering File: message.txt s wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:32 pm, Charles Punch wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. What is the problem with top posting. It seems to me that usually it is the only way to keep the message in context (especially if everyone else on the thread is doing it that way) Shouldn't consistency be more appropriate than having a war over which end to crack your eggs on? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Actually I find it quite annoying if following a thread to have to scroll to the bottom of each and every post. I like top posting, but I usually follow suit with what the thread is doing. If I'm the first replier, then it depends if I'm posting throughout, tho due to the repeat of this conversation I mostly try bottom posting. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... What do you do if it is important that the whole thread be understood in context? do you post at the bottom? Wouldn't that cause one to have to scroll to the bottom of the post as well? I hope it is understood that I am not trying to be difficult, but trying to make sense of these informal protocol. I also think it is crucial to remember that the right fork may be on a different side of the plate in a different part of the world. I have heard posts in favor of top posting and others against it. Who do I follow? (that was a rhetorical question) I'm goning to follow whatever make the most sense, so if you want to change my mind, give me a good reason instead of an emotional outburst or you will be ignored. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... A fart is your body complaining. If you want to use that analogy, why would you *complain* in public? Posts that complain about problems without offering a solution are the equivalent of someone standing in a doorway, complaining about people who stand in the doorway. It does no good to oversimplify a problem and apply a blanket rule that only addresses the part that *you* are upset about. why not be positive and illustrate a reasonable alternative? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 You k'n hide de fier, but w'at you gwine do wid de smoke? -- Joel Chandler Harris, proverbs of Uncle Remus _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Friday 24 August 2001 05:05, steve wrote: Tom, sorrry I disagree strongly. Top posting is never appropriate. Would somebody please tell Novell that? Their Groupwise yech, yech, yech that i'm being made to use at work *insists* on it. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! Agreed -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC To understand recursion, one must first understand recursion. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Friday 24 August 2001 07:48 am, Charles Punch wrote: What do you do if it is important that the whole thread be understood in context? I don't know, maybe read from the beginning of the thread and take them one at a time. But maybe that's too logical for ya'. I hope it is understood that I am not trying to be difficult, but trying to make sense of these informal protocol. No, just insulting. Who do I follow? (that was a rhetorical question) I'm goning to follow whatever make the most sense, so if you want to change my mind, give me a good reason instead of an emotional outburst or you will be ignored. Number one, I hardly classify my post as an emotional outburst. I can show you one if you need an example! Number two, this is an awfully long ignore! A fart is your body complaining. If you want to use that analogy, why would you *complain* in public? You have no sense of humor do ya'? This list used to be fun... Why don't you tell me, you're the one bitching. I thought I would add my .02 cents. Tell me there have been no opinions expressed. Following suit is a good solution. How about those posts where the original post in somewhere in the middle of top and bottom postings? Posts that complain about problems without offering a solution are the equivalent of someone standing in a doorway, complaining about people who stand in the doorway. Yep, you've really helped! It does no good to oversimplify a problem and apply a blanket rule that only addresses the part that *you* are upset about. why not be positive and illustrate a reasonable alternative? I wasn't upset until you turned into an asshole. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
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s wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 10:45 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: (I've been married for 43 years -- to the same woman) My God, I'm impressed! I've broken my record with my current, little over 4 years. :-) it occurred to me that I had been inflicted with my first email worm! And, for all that I know, the very first Linux email worm!! How did you know? What did it do? How did you get rid of it? Details, please? While we're at it, how about the return receipt requested messages? Agreed, and how about the out of office notifications? Regards, Carroll s: The reference to a worm was just an exaggeration. The 43 years thing wasn't. Regards, Carroll Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
I think it really depends on the situation. I would top post here because the message I am responding to is not short. This can save a lot of scrolling for readers. If the message I am responding to is short, or can be made short (by trimming), then I shall post below the quote. On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:38, Adams, Jamie wrote: erm.. sorry, on reading that maybe 'stupid' is a bit of a strong word. Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Adams, Jamie Reply To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:24 August 2001 15:11 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] just wondering File: message.txt okay, seeing as we are abusing each other, can i just say that this argument is completely stupid? Okay, i can userstand why the use of HTML is annoying, but does it _really_ matter weather the message is posted at the top or bottom Oh, and yes, i am a top poster, if you dont like it.. ignore me :) Now can we get back to Linux like discussions? -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
Those links are all find and dandy, but not for a MAILING list. Those are unwritten and accepted ruls for NEWSGROUPS, which this is not. The reason why those are so accepted and enforced on news groups, is because 100% of all newsreaders I've used, show the original post and responses right there with the message. So quoting a post is really only for the person that reads a post, then deletes the thread. That would be the only need for hugely quoted message. However, mailing lists are entirely different. Some people don't include any of the message they're responding to, and as I've noticed in working envirnment, replies that come in several days AFTER the original message was sent, catches the person of guard. Not sure what email is about, so they then go searching for the message they sent. Also in the case of this mailing list, we have a lot of questions asked about KMail. So we know a lot of people on the list are using that, and of course there's pine. Neither one of these readers will sort out the mail into threads. So you can have the original question sent in at noon, the first response comes in at a 2. But in that two our time span, 25 other messages come in. So rather then just replying and hoping people can find the post it was a reply to, they add what they're replying to. And this is really only a courtesy for those have readers like this. So that's why it's placed at the bottom. For those of us that use mail readers that support threading in the reader, what's the point of going through and reading something I've already read in order to read what's new? Or having to scroll all the way to the bottom because people quote an entire message. And even to bypass all the things have been said about it, this is a NEWBIE list. Most of these people joined this list because they found something on a web page some place hearing it was a great source of help. Of those people, a lot of those have never been on a higher traffic mailing list like this. They respond to the email as they've always responded to emails! I know a lot of people bottom-post because that's where the cursor is in their mail reader. And they don't know how to change that configuration, and don't care to respond at the top of the post. I've been on this list and contributed for almost a year now, and suddenly this bicker is started. If you want to enforce newsgroup rules, then find a Mandrake newsgroup to do such. But as for a mailing list, consisting of people who most likely don't spend much time on any newsgroups, just deal with it. My only complaint about the list is that MajorDomo now attaches the foot.header mess, and using mutt, it looks like an attachment, so I have the attachment indicator in the middle of my messages. [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 8bit, Size: 3.8K --] I'm sure I could have that mess removed in my ~/.muttrc but I don't feel like trying to find out what's needed and adding it. My ~/.muttrc for this mailbox is already like 180 lines long. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Use Vi! Uptime: 3:30pm up 8 days, 21:14, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:20:42PM -0500, Tom Brinkman wrote: | Tom, sorrry I disagree strongly. Top posting is never appropriate. | | Please peruse the following links: | | http://www.malibutelecom.fi/yucca/usenet/brox.html | http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html | http://fmf.fwn.rug.nl/~anton/topposting.html | | And last but not least: | From rfc1855 [located at the FAQ org] | | If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you | summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just | enough text of the original to give a context. This will make | sure readers understand when they start to read your response. | Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the | postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a | response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context | helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! | | -- | Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764 | | /~\ | 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / | you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain. X | Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email/ \ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
Right on! Richie On Friday 24 August 2001 10:11, Adams, Jamie wrote: okay, seeing as we are abusing each other, can i just say that this argument is completely stupid? Okay, i can userstand why the use of HTML is annoying, but does it _really_ matter weather the message is posted at the top or bottom Oh, and yes, i am a top poster, if you dont like it.. ignore me :) Now can we get back to Linux like discussions? Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Charles Punch[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:24 August 2001 13:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] just wondering File: message.txt s wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:32 pm, Charles Punch wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. What is the problem with top posting. It seems to me that usually it is the only way to keep the message in context (especially if everyone else on the thread is doing it that way) Shouldn't consistency be more appropriate than having a war over which end to crack your eggs on? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Actually I find it quite annoying if following a thread to have to scroll to the bottom of each and every post. I like top posting, but I usually follow suit with what the thread is doing. If I'm the first replier, then it depends if I'm posting throughout, tho due to the repeat of this conversation I mostly try bottom posting. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... What do you do if it is important that the whole thread be understood in context? do you post at the bottom? Wouldn't that cause one to have to scroll to the bottom of the post as well? I hope it is understood that I am not trying to be difficult, but trying to make sense of these informal protocol. I also think it is crucial to remember that the right fork may be on a different side of the plate in a different part of the world. I have heard posts in favor of top posting and others against it. Who do I follow? (that was a rhetorical question) I'm goning to follow whatever make the most sense, so if you want to change my mind, give me a good reason instead of an emotional outburst or you will be ignored. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... A fart is your body complaining. If you want to use that analogy, why would you *complain* in public? Posts that complain about problems without offering a solution are the equivalent of someone standing in a doorway, complaining about people who stand in the doorway. It does no good to oversimplify a problem and apply a blanket rule that only addresses the part that *you* are upset about. why not be positive and illustrate a reasonable alternative? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 You k'n hide de fier, but w'at you gwine do wid de smoke? -- Joel Chandler Harris, proverbs of Uncle Remus _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] just wondering
just wodnering if my mail doesnt get thru to the list n doesnt bounce back ..where is it going? who is getting it? thankx _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. 'top posting' is appropriate sometimes. I use it sometimes when I need to leave the whole post I'm responding to intact, unlike in this response where I appropriately only need to include quotes that I'm addressing. I move my sig up under my response when top posting to signal that I've not added anything below and to try an' save readers from scrolling down needlessly. What's considered much worse by many is leaving pages of the original post plus others reponses (often refered to as 'obsolete quotes'), and then adding your response on the bottom where it's often out of context to the original subject or even the the last comments above your response. The issue with top posting is that a few people don't like it, and some over use it. With HTML or anything but plain text, it's nothin but abuse and/or ignorance of netiquette and net conservation. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribi: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. What is the problem with top posting. It seems to me that usually it is the only way to keep the message in context (especially if everyone else on the thread is doing it that way) Shouldn't consistency be more appropriate than having a war over which end to crack your eggs on? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Ducharme's Axiom: If you view your problem closely enough you will recognize yourself as part of the problem. 'top posting' is appropriate sometimes. I use it sometimes when I need to leave the whole post I'm responding to intact, unlike in this response where I appropriately only need to include quotes that I'm addressing. I move my sig up under my response when top posting to signal that I've not added anything below and to try an' save readers from scrolling down needlessly. What's considered much worse by many is leaving pages of the original post plus others reponses (often refered to as 'obsolete quotes'), and then adding your response on the bottom where it's often out of context to the original subject or even the the last comments above your response. The issue with top posting is that a few people don't like it, and some over use it. With HTML or anything but plain text, it's nothin but abuse and/or ignorance of netiquette and net conservation. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
- Original Message - From: Tim Barnard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] just wondering If I might make a suggestion, you're sending HTML formatted email. A large number of the people of this list use email readers that don't support HTML email. Your email messages will appear to be of a 1pt font; that is, almost unreadable. Those people will just delete your messages without reading them. If you're using Outlook or Outlook Express you can enter the newbie email address in the address book and check a box on the same page telling Outlook to always send plain text formatted email to the list. As far as what's happening to your email, there is likely a problem at your ISP since the address is correct I think the problem is with the list. I've been getting all kinds of problems with it lately. Some of my posts never show up, some show up several days after I send them, others get returned to me, and still other posts people reply to yet I never get the original. This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. 'top posting' is appropriate sometimes. I use it sometimes when I need to leave the whole post I'm responding to intact, unlike in this response where I appropriately only need to include quotes that I'm addressing. I move my sig up under my response when top posting to signal that I've not added anything below and to try an' save readers from scrolling down needlessly. What's considered much worse by many is leaving pages of the original post plus others reponses (often refered to as 'obsolete quotes'), and then adding your response on the bottom where it's often out of context to the original subject or even the the last comments above your response. The issue with top posting is that a few people don't like it, and some over use it. With HTML or anything but plain text, it's nothin but abuse and/or ignorance of netiquette and net conservation. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay OK - I won't do it anymore. I didn't realize that top posting was a sin; I don't recall seeing a post about it before. Carroll Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Thursday 23 August 2001 08:40 pm, Carroll Grigsby escribió: OK - I won't do it anymore. I didn't realize that top posting was a sin; I don't recall seeing a post about it before. Carroll Don't get me wrong now : It's not a sin. A few people don't like it. Like I said, sometimes I think it's a better way to respond to some posts. Personally I think people who complain about top posting are in the same group as the spelling punctuation police ; OTOH, those that insist on using HTML ought'a be taken out and shot ; -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:20:42PM -0500, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. 'top posting' is appropriate sometimes. I use it sometimes when I need to leave the whole post I'm responding to intact, unlike in this response where I appropriately only need to include quotes that I'm addressing. I move my sig up under my response when top posting to signal that I've not added anything below and to try an' save readers from scrolling down needlessly. What's considered much worse by many is leaving pages of the original post plus others reponses (often refered to as 'obsolete quotes'), and then adding your response on the bottom where it's often out of context to the original subject or even the the last comments above your response. The issue with top posting is that a few people don't like it, and some over use it. With HTML or anything but plain text, it's nothin but abuse and/or ignorance of netiquette and net conservation. Tom, sorrry I disagree strongly. Top posting is never appropriate. Please peruse the following links: http://www.malibutelecom.fi/yucca/usenet/brox.html http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html http://fmf.fwn.rug.nl/~anton/topposting.html And last but not least: From rfc1855 [located at the FAQ org] If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! -- Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764 /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain. X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email/ \ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:20:42PM -0500, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. 'top posting' is appropriate sometimes. snip The issue with top posting is that a few people don't like it, and some over use it. Tom - I should have quoted properly myself, I'm disagreeing with the above in my previous post. -- Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764 /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain. X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email/ \ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 08:40 pm, Carroll Grigsby escribió: OK - I won't do it anymore. I didn't realize that top posting was a sin; I don't recall seeing a post about it before. Carroll Don't get me wrong now : It's not a sin. A few people don't like it. Like I said, sometimes I think it's a better way to respond to some posts. Personally I think people who complain about top posting are in the same group as the spelling punctuation police ; OTOH, those that insist on using HTML ought'a be taken out and shot ; -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Tom: My attitude towards HTML posters is to send them a polite note explaining the nature of their transgressions. But the other day there was one that screwed up Netscape so that all of the plain text messages were in very, very small type -- sort of like the font size that they use on insurance policies (The big print gives it to you, the small print takes it away). The only way that I could fix it was to shut down Netscape, exit from the web, and then go through the sign-on, get mail drill. While I like to think of myself as a fairly tolerant guy (I've been married for 43 years -- to the same woman), that one really got to me. Later, after I cooled down with the assistance of various cold amber fluids, it occurred to me that I had been inflicted with my first email worm! And, for all that I know, the very first Linux email worm!! While we're at it, how about the return receipt requested messages? Back when I was in the working world, my company required that we set feature up when we were going to be away. In a corporate enviroment, it makes a whole lot of sense. It's quite another thing, however, when you're on a mail list. When I receive one from the newbie list, I've always taken the wimpy way out and hit the cancel button, but I'm beginning to think that is the not the right way to fly. What if everyone on the list sent the receipt? Any chance that the poster might get the idea that receipts are Not A Good Thing when several hundred/thousand replies appear in his inbox? I'm not recommending doing this, as it may cause some problems on the list server. OTOH, maybe the list administrator could think of a way strip these requests and stop messing around with the headers. Hmmmis it possible to send an appropriate response to HTML posters? If so, can they be converted to plain text? Regards, Carroll Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:32 pm, Charles Punch wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 07:49 pm, Matt Greer escribió: This list is doing a good job cracking down on html, now if only we could do the same for top posters. What is the problem with top posting. It seems to me that usually it is the only way to keep the message in context (especially if everyone else on the thread is doing it that way) Shouldn't consistency be more appropriate than having a war over which end to crack your eggs on? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Actually I find it quite annoying if following a thread to have to scroll to the bottom of each and every post. I like top posting, but I usually follow suit with what the thread is doing. If I'm the first replier, then it depends if I'm posting throughout, tho due to the repeat of this conversation I mostly try bottom posting. I wouldn't want to fart in public or use the wrong fork... -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
The issue with top posting is that a few people don't like it, and some over use it. Or it's the default quoting format for mailers which shall remain nameless :) and a sign that the user doesn't know how to edit their posts. Especially when there is a mountain of quoted text appended to the one or two lines of message :) Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764 David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] just wondering
On Thursday 23 August 2001 10:45 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: (I've been married for 43 years -- to the same woman) My God, I'm impressed! I've broken my record with my current, little over 4 years. :-) it occurred to me that I had been inflicted with my first email worm! And, for all that I know, the very first Linux email worm!! How did you know? What did it do? How did you get rid of it? Details, please? While we're at it, how about the return receipt requested messages? Agreed, and how about the out of office notifications? Regards, Carroll Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
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damn, I thought he was talking about being able to identify those whom provide the most correct answers as the ^top^ posters. html body boldflashingblink SHoOt MeeEEee!!/bold/flashing/blink /body /html On Thursday 23 August 2001 21:53, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 08:40 pm, Carroll Grigsby escribió: OK - I won't do it anymore. I didn't realize that top posting was a sin; I don't recall seeing a post about it before. Carroll Don't get me wrong now : It's not a sin. A few people don't like it. Like I said, sometimes I think it's a better way to respond to some posts. Personally I think people who complain about top posting are in the same group as the spelling punctuation police ; OTOH, those that insist on using HTML ought'a be taken out and shot ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Just wondering a few points!
Walter Luffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC Yahoo! mail is a web-based mail application, which means you must use a web browser to read your mail. The sort of e-mail programs you mentioned are intended for use with mail that is actually downloaded to your computer; with Yahoo! mail everything is actually on Yahoo!'s system and all you get is a web page. (This can actually be an advantage if you want to read your mail from a friend's computer; not everyone will have an e-mail client you can use, but it seems everyone has at least one web browser.) = Yahoo mail CAN, in fact be utilized in an e-mail program such as Kmail. Use mail.pop.yahoo.com mail.smtp.yahoo.com I use it this way, so I know that it works. HTH, Mike -- Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there. --Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [newbie] Just wondering a few points!
Derek, Subject #2 1. Log in as root 2. Navigate to www.real.com and download the Unix .bin version of Realplayer8 3. After downloading it, open a console and type in: chmod 777 rp8_xxx_xxx_cs1.bin Press the [enter] key 4. Type in: ./rp8_xxx_xxx_cs1.bin Press the [enter] key 5. I usually let it install to /usr/local/Realplayer8 The .bin version will not ask you for a CD. They also include additional icons etc.. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 This email is powered by the Tux Email Utility Derek Rayne wrote: Hi there, I am wondering a few things... SUBJECT #1: E-MAIL Can any of the e-mail programs (like K-Mail, Evolution, etc...) that are on here be configured to read and send messages via Yahoo e-mail (the free one)? I don't want to keep on using Netscape to load up the Yahoo e-mail page to read my e-mail, I want to be able to browse the web while going back and forth reading my e-mail. I know I can open up another window, but that takes up time and puts lag onto Netscape. SUBJECT #2: Real Player 8 I recently purchased the Desktop Edition of LM 8.0 which only has 3 CD's in it. I figured I might as well update my real player to version 8 also. I went on to their website, put in the necessary information and downloaded the file. I then I did the RPM package, appropiately, it asks for CD #4 which wasn't included with my setup because of it being the Desktop edition. If I downloaded it, why would it ask for the CD? I would understand if when I was installing it, it was on CD #4,but with the desktop edition it was 3 CD's not 4. I think it was the professional edition or something like that had the 4th - 7th CDs because it came with more. SUBJECT #3: USB Scanner I recently did what a lot of people suggesting for my USB scanner. I still can't get it to work. I downloaded the newest version of SANE, it said it was already installed. I had this when I booted up the system: NOTE, spaces are NOT accurate. Loading USB interface [OK] Mount USB filesystem [OK] Starting USB daemon[OK] So I know it knows about my USB, does that usually goto IRQ 11? If that is the case, I think i know the problem, but my soundcard which does use IRQ 11 works perfectly fine. Should I put my sound card in another PCI slot then try this again? I do appeciate all the help I got in the past and the future...I love Linux much better than Windows, even though I don't have as much software as I would like to have. Thanks = Richard Wegner - Linux User - [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: Derek Rayne is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER this is just an e-mail address I chose! I don't do Windows me (Proud Linux User) ICQ #: 12781393 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[newbie] Just wondering a few points!
Hi there, I am wondering a few things... SUBJECT #1: E-MAIL Can any of the e-mail programs (like K-Mail, Evolution, etc...) that are on here be configured to read and send messages via Yahoo e-mail (the free one)? I don't want to keep on using Netscape to load up the Yahoo e-mail page to read my e-mail, I want to be able to browse the web while going back and forth reading my e-mail. I know I can open up another window, but that takes up time and puts lag onto Netscape. SUBJECT #2: Real Player 8 I recently purchased the Desktop Edition of LM 8.0 which only has 3 CD's in it. I figured I might as well update my real player to version 8 also. I went on to their website, put in the necessary information and downloaded the file. I then I did the RPM package, appropiately, it asks for CD #4 which wasn't included with my setup because of it being the Desktop edition. If I downloaded it, why would it ask for the CD? I would understand if when I was installing it, it was on CD #4,but with the desktop edition it was 3 CD's not 4. I think it was the professional edition or something like that had the 4th - 7th CDs because it came with more. SUBJECT #3: USB Scanner I recently did what a lot of people suggesting for my USB scanner. I still can't get it to work. I downloaded the newest version of SANE, it said it was already installed. I had this when I booted up the system: NOTE, spaces are NOT accurate. Loading USB interface [OK] Mount USB filesystem [OK] Starting USB daemon[OK] So I know it knows about my USB, does that usually goto IRQ 11? If that is the case, I think i know the problem, but my soundcard which does use IRQ 11 works perfectly fine. Should I put my sound card in another PCI slot then try this again? I do appeciate all the help I got in the past and the future...I love Linux much better than Windows, even though I don't have as much software as I would like to have. Thanks = Richard Wegner - Linux User - [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: Derek Rayne is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER this is just an e-mail address I chose! I don't do Windows me (Proud Linux User) ICQ #: 12781393 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Just wondering a few points!
Why don't you sign up for Yahoo pop service it is free and works good, a little slow but you can use any mail client that can use POP. I used the RP8.bin file. Follow the directions to install it on the real site. The RPM one won't work with Mandrake 8 only Redhat The scanner, I don't have one so not sure about that Jeanette Derek Rayne wrote: Hi there, I am wondering a few things... SUBJECT #1: E-MAIL Can any of the e-mail programs (like K-Mail, Evolution, etc...) that are on here be configured to read and send messages via Yahoo e-mail (the free one)? I don't want to keep on using Netscape to load up the Yahoo e-mail page to read my e-mail, I want to be able to browse the web while going back and forth reading my e-mail. I know I can open up another window, but that takes up time and puts lag onto Netscape. SUBJECT #2: Real Player 8 I recently purchased the Desktop Edition of LM 8.0 which only has 3 CD's in it. I figured I might as well update my real player to version 8 also. I went on to their website, put in the necessary information and downloaded the file. I then I did the RPM package, appropiately, it asks for CD #4 which wasn't included with my setup because of it being the Desktop edition. If I downloaded it, why would it ask for the CD? I would understand if when I was installing it, it was on CD #4,but with the desktop edition it was 3 CD's not 4. I think it was the professional edition or something like that had the 4th - 7th CDs because it came with more. SUBJECT #3: USB Scanner I recently did what a lot of people suggesting for my USB scanner. I still can't get it to work. I downloaded the newest version of SANE, it said it was already installed. I had this when I booted up the system: NOTE, spaces are NOT accurate. Loading USB interface [OK] Mount USB filesystem [OK] Starting USB daemon[OK] So I know it knows about my USB, does that usually goto IRQ 11? If that is the case, I think i know the problem, but my soundcard which does use IRQ 11 works perfectly fine. Should I put my sound card in another PCI slot then try this again? I do appeciate all the help I got in the past and the future...I love Linux much better than Windows, even though I don't have as much software as I would like to have. Thanks = Richard Wegner - Linux User - [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: Derek Rayne is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER this is just an e-mail address I chose! I don't do Windows me (Proud Linux User) ICQ #: 12781393 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Just wondering a few points!
On Tuesday 29 May 2001 10:56 am, Derek Rayne wrote: Can any of the e-mail programs (like K-Mail, Evolution, etc...) that are on here be configured to read and send messages via Yahoo e-mail (the free one)? I don't want to keep on using Netscape to load up the Yahoo e-mail page to read my e-mail, I want to be able to browse the web while going back and forth reading my e-mail. I know I can open up another window, but that takes up time and puts lag onto Netscape. IIRC Yahoo! mail is a web-based mail application, which means you must use a web browser to read your mail. The sort of e-mail programs you mentioned are intended for use with mail that is actually downloaded to your computer; with Yahoo! mail everything is actually on Yahoo!'s system and all you get is a web page. (This can actually be an advantage if you want to read your mail from a friend's computer; not everyone will have an e-mail client you can use, but it seems everyone has at least one web browser.) I recently did what a lot of people suggesting for my USB scanner. I still can't get it to work. I downloaded the newest version of SANE, it said it was already installed. I had this when I booted up the system: NOTE, spaces are NOT accurate. Loading USB interface [OK] Mount USB filesystem [OK] Starting USB daemon[OK] So I know it knows about my USB, does that usually goto IRQ 11? If that is the case, I think i know the problem, but my soundcard which does use IRQ 11 works perfectly fine. Should I put my sound card in another PCI slot then try this again? I cannot answer your question, but I quoted back the entire section in hopes that someone on the list will read it and be able to help. It might be helpful if you mention the make and model of your USB scanner; mine is a Visioneer model (bought while I was still using Windows occasionally) and AFAIK none of that company's scanners are supported under Linux. I do appeciate all the help I got in the past and the future...I love Linux much better than Windows, even though I don't have as much software as I would like to have. I still miss a few of my Windows applications, but not enough that i'll reinstall Windows and put up with the Blue Screen Of Death; OTOH, I like Linux enough that I'm considering abandoning my current scanner and buying one that will work under my preferred OS. -- Walter Luffman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Medina, TN USA Supercharged with extra glucose! (Type 2 diabetic 5/99, d/e/m) Sage, purple 1998 Honda VT1100C Shadow Spirit
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Goldenpi wrote: it didn't detect my 2nd floppy drive. I fitted two, just because I had one spare. [snip] Goldenpidid you perhaps neglect adding the second floppy in your system bios? Alan
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It was Sep 29, 2000, 11:03, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] keyboarded: While reading a UNIX book I was wondering (chapter mounting), how does a device (for example a CDROM player or a disk drive) appear in the /dev directory ? The book told me that when you for example mount a floppy drive it should look something like this: mount /dev/floppy2 /medium But how does the floppy2 gets into the dev directory !? Thanx in advantage, Hoi Niels, groetjes uit Nederland ;) The installer-program will do it's best to detect all your hardware. For each part of hardware, and also for the most common devices, an entry in the /dev directory is made. You can later on, when you know a lot about linux, create a new device through certain commands (which I can't recall at the moment since you barely ever need them). Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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it didn't detect my 2nd floppy drive. I fitted two, just because I had one spare. - Original Message - From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Just wondering... It was Sep 29, 2000, 11:03, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] keyboarded: While reading a UNIX book I was wondering (chapter mounting), how does a device (for example a CDROM player or a disk drive) appear in the /dev directory ? The book told me that when you for example mount a floppy drive it should look something like this: mount /dev/floppy2 /medium But how does the floppy2 gets into the dev directory !? Thanx in advantage, Hoi Niels, groetjes uit Nederland ;) The installer-program will do it's best to detect all your hardware. For each part of hardware, and also for the most common devices, an entry in the /dev directory is made. You can later on, when you know a lot about linux, create a new device through certain commands (which I can't recall at the moment since you barely ever need them). Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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If I remember right (which means I could be wrong : ) /dev contains the files for every possible hardware device you could ever attach to your system. That's why it's so big (my /dev has 2234 files, "ls /dev | wc -l"). I remember reading an article on how the 2.2.4 kernel changes that so that the only devices in /dev are the ones you actually use. The installer-program will do it's best to detect all your hardware. For each part of hardware, and also for the most common devices, an entry in the /dev directory is made. -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
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It's a temp file that's written there and evaporates when the device is unmounted. (umount) -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While reading a UNIX book I was wondering (chapter mounting), how does a device (for example a CDROM player or a disk drive) appear in the /dev directory ? The book told me that when you for example mount a floppy drive it should look something like this: mount /dev/floppy2 /medium But how does the floppy2 gets into the dev directory !? Thanx in advantage, Niels (Hoping to install my first Linux machine soon)
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If I remember right (which means I could be wrong : ) /dev contains the files for every possible hardware device you could ever attach to your system. That's why it's so big (my /dev has 2234 files, "ls /dev | wc -l"). I "Big" is an wonderful word. /dev is only a shade over 100k. remember reading an article on how the 2.2.4 kernel changes that so that the only devices in /dev are the ones you actually use. Oh boy...gonna save us a lot of space there :-) Cheers --- Larry
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I wish I knew where the story is located, but Linus was bitten by one, so
he chose to use it as a mascot. Kinda, I think thats rite {:o)
John
Russ Westbrook wrote:
Hi All,
I am really new to this Linux thing. I actually only became aware of
it a couple of months ago and didn't really start to check it out till
a couple of weeks ago. I have been to numerous web sites that deal
with it. Interviews, people's opinions, how to's and screen shots,
etc... Nowhere have I bumped into this simple and actually irrelevant
question:
Why the penguin?
It's cute and I actually like it, I was just wondering how a penguin
got hooked up being associated with Linux. Just curious.
Thanks
Russ
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John R. Wilkerson
1442 B-1 New Castle
Durham NC 27704
919-471-6731
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From: jowilker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wish I knew where the story is located, but Linus was bitten by one,
so
he chose to use it as a mascot. Kinda, I think thats rite {:o)
www.penguinpower.com
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http://www.penguinpower.com for the real story Michael Scottaline wrote: Why the penguin? It's cute and I actually like it, I was just wondering how a penguin got hooked up being associated with Linux. Just curious. Thanks Russ Linus' choice actually. There are a bunch of apocryphal stories out there about "why?", but the bottom line is Linus likes penguins, I guess. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- John R. Wilkerson 1442 B-1 New Castle Durham NC 27704 919-471-6731
