Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
Aron Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 17:51, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 07:48, Pete Stean wrote: Being that time is relative, you might be in a situation where you're actually travelling faster than light, which would cause time to appear to slow down. If that is, in fact, the case, then you'll have to throttle back your space ship so that you're within normal operating bounds and time will again settle back into it's pace. Yes, as you pass the speed of light time definitely goes into reverse - I cite Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home as proof Now THAT'S solid proof. End of story. But then you would have TWO DOCTORS I NEED two doctors! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 20:40, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 21, 2003 08:23 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 20:13, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 21, 2003 06:37 pm, Aron Smith wrote: [..] But then you would have TWO DOCTORS I'm my own Grampaw! Wrot good I was as unwed mother stories too R.A.H or his alter ego Jubal Harshaw? Or was it Richard Onefoot? LMAO I still want to bump into Maureen. Or Gillian. Or Friday. Or Deety. Oh wait...they were all the same lady. g** Much earlier about 1960 C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 21:35:54 up 1 day, 10:55, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.13, 0.10 Why waste negative entropy on comments, when you could use the same entropy to create bugs instead? - -- Steve Elias -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/bm8wG11CaRuZZSIRAvH3AJ9Ll9BTLqgNAnEUF9g17awbVklE5ACeJNSQ 7CzbEnyuIdY0ikeIQrgIXS0= =zOA9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 17:52, Margot wrote: I NEED two doctors! ...or maybe just one doctore with really good hands? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- I want to buy a husband who, every week when I sit down to watch St. Elsewhere, won't scream, Forget it, Blanche... It's time for Hee-Haw! -- Berke Breathed, Bloom County Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 00:52, Margot wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 17:51, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 07:48, Pete Stean wrote: Being that time is relative, you might be in a situation where you're actually travelling faster than light, which would cause time to appear to slow down. If that is, in fact, the case, then you'll have to throttle back your space ship so that you're within normal operating bounds and time will again settle back into it's pace. Yes, as you pass the speed of light time definitely goes into reverse - I cite Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home as proof Now THAT'S solid proof. End of story. But then you would have TWO DOCTORS But of course it takes a Pair O' Docs to doctor a paradox :-)) I NEED two doctors! __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 17:52, Margot wrote: I NEED two doctors! ...or maybe just one doctore with really good hands? Maybe you have different laws in Oz, but here in the UK you need 2 doctors to certify that you are insaneanyway, it would take at least 4 hands to hold me down Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 19:15, Margot wrote: Maybe you have different laws in Oz, but here in the UK you need 2 doctors to certify that you are insaneanyway, it would take at least 4 hands to hold me down Margot I shan't venture into the kink tonight - just changed my undies last month and I want to make'em last one more... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Nails are selectively attracted to the inside dual. -- The Puncture Principle Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 17:51, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 07:48, Pete Stean wrote: Being that time is relative, you might be in a situation where you're actually travelling faster than light, which would cause time to appear to slow down. If that is, in fact, the case, then you'll have to throttle back your space ship so that you're within normal operating bounds and time will again settle back into it's pace. Yes, as you pass the speed of light time definitely goes into reverse - I cite Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home as proof Now THAT'S solid proof. End of story. But then you would have TWO DOCTORS stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Understanding is always the understanding of a smaller problem in relation to a bigger problem. -- P.D. Ouspensky __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 21, 2003 06:37 pm, Aron Smith wrote: [..] But then you would have TWO DOCTORS I'm my own Grampaw! G Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 21:11:56 up 1 day, 10:31, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.06 File cabinet: A four drawer, manually activated trash compactor. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/bmi8G11CaRuZZSIRAo/VAKCunGozCM9MTTwsTT8Yi7e62UX8+ACfbakw bZdFceRJ2O9u5PWhc+lRjwo= =haaz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 20:13, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 21, 2003 06:37 pm, Aron Smith wrote: [..] But then you would have TWO DOCTORS I'm my own Grampaw! Wrot good I was as unwed mother stories too G Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 21:11:56 up 1 day, 10:31, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.06 File cabinet: A four drawer, manually activated trash compactor. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/bmi8G11CaRuZZSIRAo/VAKCunGozCM9MTTwsTT8Yi7e62UX8+ACfbakw bZdFceRJ2O9u5PWhc+lRjwo= =haaz -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 21, 2003 08:23 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 20:13, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 21, 2003 06:37 pm, Aron Smith wrote: [..] But then you would have TWO DOCTORS I'm my own Grampaw! Wrot good I was as unwed mother stories too R.A.H or his alter ego Jubal Harshaw? Or was it Richard Onefoot? LMAO I still want to bump into Maureen. Or Gillian. Or Friday. Or Deety. Oh wait...they were all the same lady. g C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 21:35:54 up 1 day, 10:55, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.13, 0.10 Why waste negative entropy on comments, when you could use the same entropy to create bugs instead? - -- Steve Elias -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/bm8wG11CaRuZZSIRAvH3AJ9Ll9BTLqgNAnEUF9g17awbVklE5ACeJNSQ 7CzbEnyuIdY0ikeIQrgIXS0= =zOA9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] My clock is fast
My clock is set to the right timezone (London), and shows roughly the right time, but I have to remember to reset it once a week because it gains around 10 minutes a week. It is annoying, because I look at the clock on the screen, get the approximate time, then have to get up from my desk and go across the room to find out what the exact time is - I've moved the furniture so I can't see another clock from here! Is there some way of adjusting the clock so it stays right? Or do I have to use the workaround and remember to wear my watch? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 17:13, Margot wrote: My clock is set to the right timezone (London), and shows roughly the right time, but I have to remember to reset it once a week because it gains around 10 minutes a week. It is annoying, because I look at the clock on the screen, get the approximate time, then have to get up from my desk and go across the room to find out what the exact time is - I've moved the furniture so I can't see another clock from here! Is there some way of adjusting the clock so it stays right? Or do I have to use the workaround and remember to wear my watch? Margot Being that time is relative, you might be in a situation where you're actually travelling faster than light, which would cause time to appear to slow down. If that is, in fact, the case, then you'll have to throttle back your space ship so that you're within normal operating bounds and time will again settle back into it's pace. OTOH, you could setup your box to retrieve normal earth bound time from an NTP server and hence have the correct relative time all the time... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- SHIFT TO THE LEFT! SHIFT TO THE RIGHT! POP UP, PUSH DOWN, BYTE, BYTE, BYTE! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 8:13 am, Margot wrote: My clock is set to the right timezone (London), and shows roughly the right time, but I have to remember to reset it once a week because it gains around 10 minutes a week. It is annoying, because I look at the clock on the screen, get the approximate time, then have to get up from my desk and go across the room to find out what the exact time is - I've moved the furniture so I can't see another clock from here! Is there some way of adjusting the clock so it stays right? Or do I have to use the workaround and remember to wear my watch? Margot Install the ntp package In /etc/ntp/step-tickers put in the name of 1 or more public time servers such as ntp2a.mcc.ac.uk salmon.maths.tcd.ie Make sure the ntpd service is set to run at boot. That will calibrate your clock to an atomic clock every time you boot. If you run 24/7 you might want continuous adjustment as well. To do that edit /etc/ntp.conf to include the lines server ntp2a.mcc.ac.uk# Manchester University server salmon.maths.tcd.ie # Trinity College Dublin You can check the operation of ntp with ntptime and ntptrace Note :ntp will take 15 minutes before it starts working, and will *slowly* pull your clock into line with the public servers. You can find a list of public servers here http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Friday 19 September 2003 03:13 am, Margot wrote: My clock is set to the right timezone (London), and shows roughly the right time, but I have to remember to reset it once a week because it gains around 10 minutes a week. It is annoying, because I look at the clock on the screen, get the approximate time, then have to get up from my desk and go across the room to find out what the exact time is - I've moved the furniture so I can't see another clock from here! Is there some way of adjusting the clock so it stays right? Or do I have to use the workaround and remember to wear my watch? If you install the ntpd daemon and set it to a good source, it should automatically set your computer clock to atomic clock time so that it is always right. Then you can set your watch by your computer clock instead of the other way around. Just pull up the package manager and search for ntp. Once you get it installed, you need to find a public time server to bounce the connection off of to get the right time. Try to get one in the same timezone as you, it just works better. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
Sorry Margot, I can't help you, but I suffered from a similar problem (my laptop would gradually lose about 10 minutes a week) under Win95, Win98 WinMe, and it bugged me pretty serious, but I just installed a clock-syncher and figured it was a problem with the laptop's motherboard. But since installing M9.1 a couple of weeks ago, my laptop clock has been spot-on accurate! Good luck, Max Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 09/19/2003 12:13:04 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[newbie] My clock is fast My clock is set to the right timezone (London), and shows roughly the right time, but I have to remember to reset it once a week because it gains around 10 minutes a week. It is annoying, because I look at the clock on the screen, get the approximate time, then have to get up from my desk and go across the room to find out what the exact time is - I've moved the furniture so I can't see another clock from here! Is there some way of adjusting the clock so it stays right? Or do I have to use the workaround and remember to wear my watch? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
In the special relativistic frame of reference you describe time would appear to slow as you *approach* the speed of light. Exceeding it would not be necessary and, iirc, time would seem to reverse if you somehow did manage to do it. Doesn't much matter since there's all sorts of asymptotic behavior as you approach that value, infinite energy requirements, infinite size results, etc. (Which is why most modern SF doesn't bother with lightspeeds and instead folds space, creates additional dimensions or hyperspaces, of simply has things move from hither to yon without explanation.) =-=-= Being that time is relative, you might be in a situation where you're actually travelling faster than light, which would cause time to appear to slow down. If that is, in fact, the case, then you'll have to throttle back your space ship so that you're within normal operating bounds and time will again settle back into it's pace. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 00:16, Margot wrote: Tried this... ended up two days ago... something wrong somewhere... should I retry as root? Or just cut down on the drugs? Margot A root is always good to retry. Don't cut down on the drugs. Reality can't keep up. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- QOTD: I don't think they could put him in a mental hospital. On the other hand, if he were already in, I don't think they'd let him out. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 02:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Margot, I can't help you, but I suffered from a similar problem (my laptop would gradually lose about 10 minutes a week) under Win95, Win98 WinMe, and it bugged me pretty serious, but I just installed a clock-syncher and figured it was a problem with the laptop's motherboard. But since installing M9.1 a couple of weeks ago, my laptop clock has been spot-on accurate! Good luck, Max We've been trying to talk Margot into installing linux for quite some time...she's still stuck on Windows... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Man's horizons are bounded by his vision. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My clock is fast
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 03:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the special relativistic frame of reference you describe time would appear to slow as you *approach* the speed of light. Exceeding it would not be necessary and, iirc, time would seem to reverse if you somehow did manage to do it. Doesn't much matter since there's all sorts of asymptotic behavior as you approach that value, infinite energy requirements, infinite size results, etc. (Which is why most modern SF doesn't bother with lightspeeds and instead folds space, creates additional dimensions or hyperspaces, of simply has things move from hither to yon without explanation.) Maybe this is an instance where a particular fold in the time/space continuum has passed through Margot's habitat and caused her such disruptions in what she would otherwise know as normal time? Either that or too much grog... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The sheep that fly over your head are soon to land. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
