Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
On Friday 07 February 2003 01:03, you wrote: Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI bang your head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold. And you can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :) hey! Good to see someone else on exactly the same trip! I have low-spec comp and using CLI speeds things up quite a lot. I already got rid of rpmdrake and use urpmi now. I sometimes use links instead of Opera. Quest for low-resource graphical browser continues... I had been trying to learn vi before, but your emacs/vi thread increased my strength enough so I took another look at it. Was not that bad. I think I have the basics. Now pine and mutt have been in my mind for quite some time. Being POP3/KMail user its rather setting up all those postfixes/procmails/fetchmails that hinders me. But I set up pine to look at my KMail inbox so I could try it out. Mostly works for me, though I have used to possibility of having both list of emails and email content visible simultaneously. I am going to do it - its silly to have KDE installed just to get KMail ;-) Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:15:08PM -0700, FemmeFatale wrote: At 09:37 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: I really like Mutt. I use it over ssh when I'm away from home. I found a good resource file for themeing the interface, which makes it much easier for me to read than Pine. Todd hm that was my next venue of exploration. I looked @ mutts GUI. Too much like an old terminal program (IE telix or something) from DOS for my liking. Hard to read and harder still to pick out info from. Pass on the URL? - FemmeFatale Well, I was able to trace down a url, but I can't find a screenshot. I can send you one if you like, so you'll know what it looks like. The one I use is: http://www.acesystem.co.kr/~cabin/index.php/dot.muttrc. Just copy the text to a new file and call it ~/.mutt/muttrc (always back up your old one just in case!). http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/ might also be of help. The Mutt page of course has all the documentation on setting up colors and such. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to retrieve mail. Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles things. :) Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI bang your head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold. And you can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :) Heh same question in the vein of the emacs/vi post. Sorry if ppl feel like i'm wasting bandwith but I have done some research on this I am not entirely clear on which one would suit better to learn on. Besides, learning is fun! Or so I'm told... :D - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 18:03, FemmeFatale wrote: Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to retrieve mail. Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles things. :) Hey Femme, Couldn't get a good flame war going w/ emacs/vi so now you're trying this tac? ;-) Next you'll be asking us about KDE/Gnome; less filling/tastes great ;-) Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, FemmeFatale wrote: Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to retrieve mail. Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles things. :) Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI bang your head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold. And you can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :) Heh same question in the vein of the emacs/vi post. Sorry if ppl feel like i'm wasting bandwith but I have done some research on this I am not entirely clear on which one would suit better to learn on. Besides, learning is fun! Or so I'm told... :D pine, baby, pine - it's just cooler. ;- good luck with the command line thing - and while youre at it, you might want to pick up a book that was a tremendous help for me when i was doing the same thing - linux system commands, by volkerding and reichard. lists commands in three categorys - what they do, what their dos equivalent is, and what section of the book they're described in depth in. it's never out of arms reach for me when i'm on the pc. please pardon the lack of caps - i installed 9.1b3 today, and it apparently came without caps. ;-/ -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
At 01:03 AM 11/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, FemmeFatale wrote: Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to retrieve mail. Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles things. :) Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI bang your head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold. And you can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :) Heh same question in the vein of the emacs/vi post. Sorry if ppl feel like i'm wasting bandwith but I have done some research on this I am not entirely clear on which one would suit better to learn on. Besides, learning is fun! Or so I'm told... :D pine, baby, pine - it's just cooler. ;- good luck with the command line thing - and while youre at it, you might want to pick up a book that was a tremendous help for me when i was doing the same thing - linux system commands, by volkerding and reichard. lists commands in three categorys - what they do, what their dos equivalent is, and what section of the book they're described in depth in. it's never out of arms reach for me when i'm on the pc. please pardon the lack of caps - i installed 9.1b3 today, and it apparently came without caps. ;-/ -- peace, Rog Rofl @ Rog! No caps huh? Hm... might make flaming a bit tougher to do... but i'm sure you'll manage. :) Thx... I am leaning to Mutt atm only cause it looks somewhat simpler more configurable. I figured I'd ask this anyway cause ... well.. why not? Worst thing that will happen is I'll get a million ppl posting things like: Are you trying to level your own country!? We did that in teh Crusades to Europe the Mid-East!!! Why repeat history!? :) - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
* FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030206 17:40]: Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Newbie friendly: pine. But I LOVE mutt. I can't believe there are people trying to browse though a high volume list like this with web based email (ugh). Mutt is extremely configurable, and really fast. Did I say I like it a lot? ;-) And it works great with vim as its editor, so you don't have to suffer with an inferior editor for your messages. To be fair, I think you can configure pine to use vim or another editor that is more powerful than pico, that comes with pine. Some people, myself included, try to avoid pine because it isn't GPL. -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, PHP, Perl, HTML Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
On Thursday 06 February 2003 02:03 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to retrieve mail. Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles things. :) Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI bang your head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold. And you can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :) Heh same question in the vein of the emacs/vi post. Sorry if ppl feel like i'm wasting bandwith but I have done some research on this I am not entirely clear on which one would suit better to learn on. Besides, learning is fun! Or so I'm told... :D - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Well an answer from me will be one from a free software proponent. Pine is not free software--if you use it your computer is no longer yours Mutt is free software Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:03:11 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to retrieve mail. Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles things. :) Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI bang your head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold. And you can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :) Heh same question in the vein of the emacs/vi post. Sorry if ppl feel like i'm wasting bandwith but I have done some research on this I am not entirely clear on which one would suit better to learn on. Besides, learning is fun! Or so I'm told... :D I really like Mutt. I use it over ssh when I'm away from home. I found a good resource file for themeing the interface, which makes it much easier for me to read than Pine. Todd -- Todd Slater Mandrake Newbie mailing list help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help Got a great Mandrake-Linux tip bookmarked? Send it to me and I'll include it in my newbie tips fortune file! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
when your caps don't work.. here is the workaround... flame caps='1' flame message here. /flame :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients At 01:03 AM 11/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, FemmeFatale wrote: Hm... went to see both Pines Mutts web sites. Wondered ppl's opinions on both which is more newbie friendly. Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to retrieve mail. Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles things. :) Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI bang your head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold. And you can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :) Heh same question in the vein of the emacs/vi post. Sorry if ppl feel like i'm wasting bandwith but I have done some research on this I am not entirely clear on which one would suit better to learn on. Besides, learning is fun! Or so I'm told... :D pine, baby, pine - it's just cooler. ;- good luck with the command line thing - and while youre at it, you might want to pick up a book that was a tremendous help for me when i was doing the same thing - linux system commands, by volkerding and reichard. lists commands in three categorys - what they do, what their dos equivalent is, and what section of the book they're described in depth in. it's never out of arms reach for me when i'm on the pc. please pardon the lack of caps - i installed 9.1b3 today, and it apparently came without caps. ;-/ -- peace, Rog Rofl @ Rog! No caps huh? Hm... might make flaming a bit tougher to do... but i'm sure you'll manage. :) Thx... I am leaning to Mutt atm only cause it looks somewhat simpler more configurable. I figured I'd ask this anyway cause ... well.. why not? Worst thing that will happen is I'll get a million ppl posting things like: Are you trying to level your own country!? We did that in teh Crusades to Europe the Mid-East!!! Why repeat history!? :) - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
At 05:33 PM 2/6/2003 -0900, you wrote: Well an answer from me will be one from a free software proponent. Pine is not free software--if you use it your computer is no longer yours Mutt is free software Civileme I just read about that a few hours ago luv. I was rather annoyed to read that too. Sorta put a damper on my spirits. :( Oh well... So if I use Nvidias drivers does that still make me a sellout? :) - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
At 09:37 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: I really like Mutt. I use it over ssh when I'm away from home. I found a good resource file for themeing the interface, which makes it much easier for me to read than Pine. Todd hm that was my next venue of exploration. I looked @ mutts GUI. Too much like an old terminal program (IE telix or something) from DOS for my liking. Hard to read and harder still to pick out info from. Pass on the URL? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients
At 11:11 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, you wrote: Back in the olden days, when 'internet' would bring blank stares from the few folks who were just startin to run a new fangled thing called Windoze on their store bought systems... long before AoL CD's were sold/included with everything, or just plain showed up unsolicted in your mail box Hell, what's a cdrom? has it been invented yet? A floppy must be these bendable 5 disks, these newer 3 suckers must be what they call harddisks ... .. some of us oldies already were connected to shell accounts to the net, or into local BBS's. Many of us already unaware that there was somethin out there better than, or besides DOS for a PC. Shell accounts were foreign in that you were connecting to a Un*x box remotely, somewhere in somebody's kitchen closet. DOS comands wouldn't work, you had to learn some unix jargon. No problem, we weren't confirmed braindead M$ users back then. Gates himself hadn't mastered spelling 'internet'. Took him a while at that ;) Everything was done on the CL, including using lynx to venture out into this strange world of www, or w3 as it might be called. D/l'g, what's that? Gopher, archie ? Seemed normal to d/l to your shell account, then if you needed it locally, to havt'a d/l again from the shell server to your desktop's local drive. All on the CL. Better hurry up too, cause a generous allotment was 5mb stored in your shell/user/dir on the server. Learn how to use CL arguments fast or die tryin. snip Heh I remember most of this stuff. Archie..hm.. theres an archaic way to surf get info/stuffs. *snickers* 3 floppies... ya they were hard disks all right... least thats what I thought. :) IMNSHO, learnin how to do it on the CL, any OS, will enlighten your understanding of how to use the GUI's that others have made to run the underlying binaries. Probly better too, from the CL that is. OTOH, I use Kmail ; -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Kmail huh? Hm... so do I get xtra browny points for calling you an old geezer who sold out to the suits? :) And I agree with you about CLI learning. Its why I've started to investigate this stuff. - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
