Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-10 Thread SnapafunFrank
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 08:06, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 

On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:40, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
   

Hi all,
I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in
text editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of longer
than 1 page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second page is
blank.
Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the
second page?
Thanks.
 

No, you can't. You can resize the frame to fit your single page...which' ll
make your fonts smaller (or flatter) or split the text over 2 frames.
   

That's a serious problem, IMO.  There is a real need for the ability to link 
frames and enable flow between them.  Perhaps subscribing to the Scribus 
mailing list would be in order - there may be others working around this and 
requesting improvements.

Scribus is so promising, and I understand that it is a rapidly developing 
project, so maybe this is on the way.

Anne
 

Back again.
Everything seemed to burn OK and I can see the whole file structure when 
I mount the dvd disc.

However, I am unable to open any files. They are listed OK, but as user 
or root I cannot open them. I get the error message re:

An error occurred while loading file:/mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced 
Bash-Scripting HOWTO.html:
Could not read file /mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced Bash-Scripting 
HOWTO.html

It was the Could not read... bit that had me open konqueror from 
konsole as root, but the same result.

Any ideas anyone ?
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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-10 Thread SnapafunFrank
SnapafunFrank wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 08:06, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 

On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:40, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
  

Hi all,
I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in
text editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of 
longer
than 1 page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second 
page is
blank.

Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the
second page?
Thanks.

No, you can't. You can resize the frame to fit your single 
page...which' ll
make your fonts smaller (or flatter) or split the text over 2 frames.
  

That's a serious problem, IMO.  There is a real need for the ability 
to link frames and enable flow between them.  Perhaps subscribing to 
the Scribus mailing list would be in order - there may be others 
working around this and requesting improvements.

Scribus is so promising, and I understand that it is a rapidly 
developing project, so maybe this is on the way.

Anne
 

Back again.
Everything seemed to burn OK and I can see the whole file structure 
when I mount the dvd disc.

However, I am unable to open any files. They are listed OK, but as 
user or root I cannot open them. I get the error message re:

An error occurred while loading file:/mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced 
Bash-Scripting HOWTO.html:
Could not read file /mnt/dvd-rw/Bash/HOWTO/Advanced Bash-Scripting 
HOWTO.html

It was the Could not read... bit that had me open konqueror from 
konsole as root, but the same result.

Any ideas anyone ?
My sincere apologies ~ left clicked wrong thread ~ will transfer this to 
the correct thread.

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-10 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 06:02 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Scribus is so promising, and I understand that it is a rapidly developing
 project, so maybe this is on the way.

Thanks everyone for the response. I managed to link the frame. But I'm having 
trouble in making a template so that I don't have to copy paste the image 
that I'm using as header. I subscribed to the scribus list just now. But in 
the mean time I use Openoffice to produce the pdf.

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-10 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 10 Mar 2005 21:31, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 March 2005 06:02 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
  Scribus is so promising, and I understand that it is a rapidly developing
  project, so maybe this is on the way.

 Thanks everyone for the response. I managed to link the frame. But I'm
 having trouble in making a template so that I don't have to copy paste the
 image that I'm using as header. I subscribed to the scribus list just now.
 But in the mean time I use Openoffice to produce the pdf.

It's not intuitive, is it?  I think that I found it helps to save as a 
document first, then save as a template - don't know why, but it seemed to 
work better that way.  Apart from that, I got this from Larry Sword on the 
Expert list:

--
New From Template - 0.0.7

Downloading Templates
Document templates can be found at http://www.scribus.net/ in the 
Downloads section.

Installing Templates
Extract the package to the template directory ~/.scribus/templates for 
the current user or PREFIX/share/scribus/templates for all users in the 
system.

Preparing a template
Make sure images and fonts you use can be used freely. If fonts cannot 
be shared do not collect them when saving as a template.The template 
creator should also make sure that the Installing Templates section 
above applies to their templates as well. This means a user should be 
able to download a template package and be able to extract them to the 
template directory and start using them.

Removing a template
Removing a template from the New From Template dialog will only remove 
the entry from the template.xml, it will not delete the document files. 
A popup menu with remove is only shown if you have write access to the 
template.xml file.

Translating template.xml
Copy an existing template.xml to a file called template.lang_COUNTRY.xml 
(use the same lang code that is present in the qm file for your 
language), for example template.fi.xml for Finnish language 
template.xml. The copy must be located in the same directory as the 
original template.xml so Scribus can load it.

---


I have the Document set:  /home/lsword/.scribus

/Test
/images
/scripts
/templates

I place all templates in the /usr/lib/scribus/templates. You will notice 
that placing them in the this folder and your personal folder will cause 
them to be dispalyed twice when opening the new from template choice.

Larry

It's worth picking up those templates.

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:40, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 Hi all,
 I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in text
 editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of longer than 1
 page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second page is blank.

 Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the
 second page?
 Thanks.

No, you can't. You can resize the frame to fit your single page...which' ll 
make your fonts smaller (or flatter) or split the text over 2 frames.

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 08:06, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 March 2005 05:40, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
  Hi all,
  I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in
  text editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of longer
  than 1 page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second page is
  blank.
 
  Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the
  second page?
  Thanks.

 No, you can't. You can resize the frame to fit your single page...which' ll
 make your fonts smaller (or flatter) or split the text over 2 frames.

That's a serious problem, IMO.  There is a real need for the ability to link 
frames and enable flow between them.  Perhaps subscribing to the Scribus 
mailing list would be in order - there may be others working around this and 
requesting improvements.

Scribus is so promising, and I understand that it is a rapidly developing 
project, so maybe this is on the way.

Anne
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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread Margot
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hi all,
I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in text 
editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of longer than 1 
page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second page is blank.

Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the second 
page?
Thanks.
Yes, you can. Make a text frame on your second page, link the two text 
frames, and the invisible text will automatically flow into the second 
text frame.

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 11:36, Margot wrote:
 Fajar Priyanto wrote:
  Hi all,
  I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in
  text editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of longer
  than 1 page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second page is
  blank.
 
  Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the
  second page?
  Thanks.

 Yes, you can. Make a text frame on your second page, link the two text
 frames, and the invisible text will automatically flow into the second
 text frame.

That's exactly what I expected to be able to do, but I couldn't see how you 
link the frames?  Help a blind woman? ;-)

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 14:07, Margot wrote:

 If you know in advance the the text won't fit in one frame:
 Create the first text frame, create the second text frame, select the
 first frame, click the toolbar button marked Link Text Frames, click
 into the second frame to create the link, go back to the first frame and
 use the Story Editor to place the text into the frame and it will
 automatically flow the text from one frame to the next.

 If you have text already in a frame, but not enough space so part of the
 text is invisible:
 Create a second frame, select the first frame, click the toolbar button
 marked Link Text Frames, click into the second frame to create the
 link and the remaining text will automatically appear in the new frame.

 Linked frames are outlined in red, and there will be a cross in a box at
 the bottom right of the last frame in a series if there is still some
 text that is not yet visible.

Oops!  For some reason I'm totally text-oriented, so I look at menus and 
context-menus but miss icons!  I should have seen that.  Thanks

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 15:55, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Oops!  For some reason I'm totally text-oriented, so I look at menus and
 context-menus but miss icons!  I should have seen that.  Thanks

 Anne

You're not alone in thatI missed that one too:)
I like scribus, the only problem is that profesional printers(you know the 
peolpes) usually want .eps or .ai files and the .eps scribus delivers/exports 
often mess up the fonts:(
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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 16:25, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 March 2005 15:55, Anne Wilson wrote:
  Oops!  For some reason I'm totally text-oriented, so I look at menus and
  context-menus but miss icons!  I should have seen that.  Thanks
 
  Anne

 You're not alone in thatI missed that one too:)
 I like scribus, the only problem is that profesional printers(you know the
 peolpes) usually want .eps or .ai files and the .eps scribus
 delivers/exports often mess up the fonts:(

Interesting.  I don't have to deal with printers myself, so I've no experience 
of that, but everything I've read over the last year or so has been to the 
effect that most printers will happily accept pdfs.  I suspect, though, that 
you have to negotiate a lot of details to make sure that it's what they want.

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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 17:44, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Interesting.  I don't have to deal with printers myself, so I've no
 experience of that, but everything I've read over the last year or so has
 been to the effect that most printers will happily accept pdfs.  I suspect,
 though, that you have to negotiate a lot of details to make sure that it's
 what they want.

 Anne

Well the point is most printers use Macs and Adobe software. eps 
and .ai( adobe illustrator) are used for vector graphics whereas .pdf is 
bitmapped again and thus rejected.

Scribus uses vectors as does Inkscape and I've allready bullied (read: drove 
'm mad) my habitual printers into accepting .eps by default and slowly 
getting used to .svg files.

If Adobe Illustrator would run on linux I'd find a way to get somebody else 
(preferably) to buy it for methough admittedly I love the way inkscape is 
getting along.

BTW check out frontline for converting/tracing bitmaps to vectors (.svg 
or .ai or whatever) it works OK as long as the bitmap isn't too 
difficult/intricate.

Another problem is the colours I have to send an extra mail as to exactly what 
colours should be used.that is if they're very specific.
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Re: [newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-09 Thread Margot
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 14:07, Margot wrote:
If you know in advance the the text won't fit in one frame:
Create the first text frame, create the second text frame, select the
first frame, click the toolbar button marked Link Text Frames, click
into the second frame to create the link, go back to the first frame and
use the Story Editor to place the text into the frame and it will
automatically flow the text from one frame to the next.
If you have text already in a frame, but not enough space so part of the
text is invisible:
Create a second frame, select the first frame, click the toolbar button
marked Link Text Frames, click into the second frame to create the
link and the remaining text will automatically appear in the new frame.
Linked frames are outlined in red, and there will be a cross in a box at
the bottom right of the last frame in a series if there is still some
text that is not yet visible.

Oops!  For some reason I'm totally text-oriented, so I look at menus and 
context-menus but miss icons!  I should have seen that.  Thanks

Anne
I've only been playing with Scribus for 2 days - linking text frames is 
about all I've managed to work out so far! I'll be back with some 
questions soon...!

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[newbie] scribus users, pls help. pasting text longer than 1 page.

2005-03-08 Thread Fajar Priyanto
Hi all,
I tried to make an article using Scribus. First I typed the article in text 
editor, then copy paste it in scribus. The article is kind of longer than 1 
page, so the rest of the article isn't visible. The second page is blank.

Can I make scribus to automatically put the rest of the article in the second 
page?
Thanks.
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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-03-02 Thread Troy Thomas Hall
Lanman wrote:

I've found the rpms for scribus on 9.1, 9.2, and 10.0.
There are two - scribus and libscribus IIRC, and I'm sure
they're on the download CD's.
Lanman

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On 2/29/2004 at 9:58 PM Keith Powell wrote:

 

Does anyone know if there is a Mandrake RPM for Scribus
   

anywhere?
 

Can't find one with Google, only tarballs. 

I've spent some hours trying to install a tarball of it,
   

but get my usual 
 

screenful of things it can't find and needs. I have almost
   

completely 
 

abandoned tarballs, as I can rarely get the things to
   

install. They always 
 

stop during  ./configure  or  make  with lots and lots of
   

error messages
 

:-(

Many thanks

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actually there are 4 for scirbus.  But two are the doc's and are only in 
german and french. ;)

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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-03-02 Thread John Richard Smith
Troy Thomas Hall wrote:

Lanman wrote:

I've found the rpms for scribus on 9.1, 9.2, and 10.0.
There are two - scribus and libscribus IIRC, and I'm sure
they're on the download CD's.
Lanman

 

Indeed, M9.1, CD2
/mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/libscribus0-0.9.7-1mdk.i586.rpm
/mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/scribus-0.9.7-1mdk.i586.rpm
/mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/scribus-i18n-fr-0.9.7-1mdk.i586.rpm
M9.2
/mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/libscribus0-1.0.1-3mdk.i586.rpm
/mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/scribus-1.0.1-3mdk.i586.rpm
These are download CD's.

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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-03-01 Thread Keith Powell
 On Sunday 29 February 2004 21:58, Keith Powell wrote:
  Does anyone know if there is a Mandrake RPM for Scribus anywhere?
 
  Can't find one with Google, only tarballs.
 

I will be with you all in a minute, I'm just in this forest looking for a bit 
of wood!!!

Many thanks to all who replied, and sorry for such a basic and badly 
researched question. 

As I said, I could only find tarballs with Google, and I had completely 
forgotten about RPMFIND. 

There is not a Scribus .rpm on my Download Edition disks, so I have now 
downloaded it from RPMFIND and it works.

I asked the question on the Newbie list, for two reasons. 
1) I am a permanent newbie and 
2) I thought that I daren't admit to the Expert list that I have great 
problems with tarballs!

Thanks again for all your help.

Cheers

Keith  





  I've spent some hours trying to install a tarball of it, but get my
  usual screenful of things it can't find and needs. I have almost
  completely abandoned tarballs, as I can rarely get the things to
  install. They always stop during  ./configure  or  make  with lots
  and lots of error messages :-(

 There must be one on one of the mirrors - it's in the power pack of
 both 9.1 and 9.2

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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-03-01 Thread David E. Fox
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:07:15 +
Marco Verheul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When you go to http://www.rpmfind.net/ and search for scribus, you get
 21 rpm's. Using urpmi is easier though, because it takes care of all
 dependencies.

Not only that, but with a tarball, you don't get automatic upgrade
facilities, and if you rebuild the system, you'll not take it along
unless you keep it separate from the rest of the install (/usr/local,
for instance).

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[newbie] Scribus

2004-02-29 Thread Keith Powell
Does anyone know if there is a Mandrake RPM for Scribus anywhere?

Can't find one with Google, only tarballs. 

I've spent some hours trying to install a tarball of it, but get my usual 
screenful of things it can't find and needs. I have almost completely 
abandoned tarballs, as I can rarely get the things to install. They always 
stop during  ./configure  or  make  with lots and lots of error messages :-(

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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-02-29 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Sunday 29 February 2004 21:58, Keith Powell wrote:
 Does anyone know if there is a Mandrake RPM for Scribus anywhere?

 Can't find one with Google, only tarballs.

 I've spent some hours trying to install a tarball of it, but get my
 usual screenful of things it can't find and needs. I have almost
 completely abandoned tarballs, as I can rarely get the things to
 install. They always stop during  ./configure  or  make  with lots
 and lots of error messages :-(

There must be one on one of the mirrors - it's in the power pack of 
both 9.1 and 9.2

Anne
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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-02-29 Thread Jason Greenwood
No, for Mandrake Systems you should ALWAYS use URPMI for installs 
anyway. Yes, there are Scribus RPMS's (depending on which version MDK) 
you are running of course).
Go here: http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php
and set up an URPMI source for your version and then from the CLI: urpmi 
scribus

Scribus is in Main AFAIK.

Cheers

Jason

Keith Powell wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a Mandrake RPM for Scribus anywhere?

Can't find one with Google, only tarballs. 

I've spent some hours trying to install a tarball of it, but get my usual 
screenful of things it can't find and needs. I have almost completely 
abandoned tarballs, as I can rarely get the things to install. They always 
stop during  ./configure  or  make  with lots and lots of error messages :-(

Many thanks

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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-02-29 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Sunday 29 February 2004 23:09, Jason Greenwood wrote:

 No, for Mandrake Systems you should ALWAYS use URPMI for installs

Ehmm, mandrake installs tarballs fine but you DO have to have the 
kernel-source package installed for your particular kernel.

I do quite a lot of tarball installs and don't come across more probs than on 
on other distro's.

Using urpmi is the easiest and prolly the best option, I agree...just wanted 
to put that comment right before it gets a life of it's own. Sorry;)

Good luck,
HarM
 anyway. Yes, there are Scribus RPMS's (depending on which version MDK)
 you are running of course).
 Go here: http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php
 and set up an URPMI source for your version and then from the CLI: urpmi
 scribus

 Scribus is in Main AFAIK.

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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-02-29 Thread Jason Greenwood
Yes, I agree, it does but for Newbies (it was posted to the newbie list, 
no?), RPM's are the best/easiest. Besides, URPMI was originally designed 
for RPM's not Tarballs IIRC. =)

Cheers

Jason

H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
On Sunday 29 February 2004 23:09, Jason Greenwood wrote:


No, for Mandrake Systems you should ALWAYS use URPMI for installs


Ehmm, mandrake installs tarballs fine but you DO have to have the 
kernel-source package installed for your particular kernel.

I do quite a lot of tarball installs and don't come across more probs than on 
on other distro's.

Using urpmi is the easiest and prolly the best option, I agree...just wanted 
to put that comment right before it gets a life of it's own. Sorry;)

Good luck,
HarM
anyway. Yes, there are Scribus RPMS's (depending on which version MDK)
you are running of course).
Go here: http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php
and set up an URPMI source for your version and then from the CLI: urpmi
scribus
Scribus is in Main AFAIK.




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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-02-29 Thread Marco Verheul
On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 21:58, Keith Powell wrote:
 Does anyone know if there is a Mandrake RPM for Scribus anywhere?
 
 Can't find one with Google, only tarballs. 
 
 I've spent some hours trying to install a tarball of it, but get my usual 
 screenful of things it can't find and needs. I have almost completely 
 abandoned tarballs, as I can rarely get the things to install. They always 
 stop during  ./configure  or  make  with lots and lots of error messages :-(

When you go to http://www.rpmfind.net/ and search for scribus, you get
21 rpm's. Using urpmi is easier though, because it takes care of all
dependencies.

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Re: [newbie] Scribus

2004-02-29 Thread Lanman
I've found the rpms for scribus on 9.1, 9.2, and 10.0.
There are two - scribus and libscribus IIRC, and I'm sure
they're on the download CD's.

Lanman

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On 2/29/2004 at 9:58 PM Keith Powell wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a Mandrake RPM for Scribus
anywhere?

Can't find one with Google, only tarballs. 

I've spent some hours trying to install a tarball of it,
but get my usual 
screenful of things it can't find and needs. I have almost
completely 
abandoned tarballs, as I can rarely get the things to
install. They always 
stop during  ./configure  or  make  with lots and lots of
error messages
:-(

Many thanks

Keith 



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