Re: [newbie] Stupid questions
Tried all but mc - which I use a lot - really nice. :) Thanks. Original Message On 1/17/00, 10:27:37 PM, Warren Doney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Stupid questions: "Ty C. Mixon" wrote: Now for my stupid question, and I should know the answer but . . . I've got a tar file, and I've tried using 'tar -x filename to untar it, but it ain't working. It was originally a tar.bz, and bunzip2 brought out the tar fine. I'm trying to install jre, but can't get it, even though I did it on 6.0 a few months back, but later took it off. Any how I'm stuck. I like midnight commander for working with tarballs etc "mc" at the command prompt. Highlight your file F2 then "x" to extract them "man tar" offers a wealth of imformation... IIRC tar -xzf is the usual command -- Full plate packing steel! - Minsk
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Glad your an expert. You can now move to the expert list Goodbye On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, you wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve -- "I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."
RE: [newbie] Stupid questions
Sean, Is this link correct I can't seem to get to it. www.linuxdocs.org
Partition 36.5GB HD (was Re: [newbie] Stupid questions)
Rodger, When you partition your HD, be sure to setup a 20Mb partition that starts at 7.8GB from the beginning of the disk. The BIOS can only see up to the 1024th cylinder (approx 7.88GB from the beginning of the disk). The OS allows the rest of the HD to be accessible. Mount this 20Mb partition as /boot. The rest of the partitions are your call. Also, you may need to read the Ultra-DMA mini- HOWTO. HTH, Matt From: Rodger Boots [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Stupid questions Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:36:46 -0600 Thanks, I'll try that. I'm also about half the way done with downloading the version 7 CD image. I wonder if running that might not fix my problems with being unable to partition 36.5 gig hard drives. Steven P Hull wrote: Yes you can still read the HowTo. If you have windows or any other program loaded to can still access them from the CD or the website. The cd is not linux only and can be read by any html program. - Original Message - From: "Rodger Boots" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Stupid questions But then again there's people like me that can't get to the online manuals because I can't get Linux loaded. And I LOST the printed manuals! (Just business as usual here!) Steven P Hull wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] Stupid questions
Steven P Hull wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve Let's see, new machine, new hard drive, someone gave me this cute little CD with linux written on it and said "If you need any help a great place to look is [EMAIL PROTECTED]", and I thinks to my self "What a cool idea, thanks I'll try it." then I read something like the above and thinks to myself "What a sorry bunch of self-centered pompous $%+!@ ". Nice piece of penmanship. I wish I were perfect and knew everything about something new before I tried it, but since I'm not, thank God for the understanding people who populate this list ( OK, most of them anyway ). I certainly hope that the attached message is not what we've become. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good point! If I read right, the title of this list begins with the word "newbie", thus intimating a fundamental lack of knowledge of many who ask questions here. It would be hoped that a newbie list would be patient and understanding of those, who like myself, have just entered the world of Linux and are trying to grasp its operation. Reading Howto's and docs are fine, but what is often missing is a cohesive, step-by-step tutorial on how to use the operating system. Especially for users who are very new to computers, alot of hand holding is necessary. I am glad that the person who first made the impatient and frustrated response is not indicative of all on this list. After perusing it for about 10 days now, I have found that most of those who reply to questions are patient and understanding. I certainly hope that it continues as I am getting frustrated enough to try to post a question about my problem printing from Mandrake to this list. BTW, before I post it, I have read almost every Howto and have referred to several books on the subject to no avail! Just my .02! Wendell Gragg [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Joseph S. Gardner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Stupid questions Steven P Hull wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve Let's see, new machine, new hard drive, someone gave me this cute little CD with linux written on it and said "If you need any help a great place to look is [EMAIL PROTECTED]", and I thinks to my self "What a cool idea, thanks I'll try it." then I read something like the above and thinks to myself "What a sorry bunch of self-centered pompous $%+!@ ". Nice piece of penmanship. I wish I were perfect and knew everything about something new before I tried it, but since I'm not, thank God for the understanding people who populate this list ( OK, most of them anyway ). I certainly hope that the attached message is not what we've become. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey! Real men don't read instructions! :-) MarkP If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux.
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A common newbie dilemma is "Where do I turn for help?" Instead of calling his/her question "stupid," it would be much more productive if we pointed this person in the right direction toward the answer. Another problem Where do I get help when my computer won't work? After loading Caldera Linux once Lilo was screwed up so I couldn't use either Wdoz or Linux Had to spend $50 for a call to get it up and working... MarkP
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Well fdisk /MBR will restore your master boot record to what it was before you changed it. But it should be a last ditch effort before using it. JohnC Mark Potochnik wrote: A common newbie dilemma is "Where do I turn for help?" Instead of calling his/her question "stupid," it would be much more productive if we pointed this person in the right direction toward the answer. Another problem Where do I get help when my computer won't work? After loading Caldera Linux once Lilo was screwed up so I couldn't use either Wdoz or Linux Had to spend $50 for a call to get it up and working... MarkP
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Yeah, but real men don't ask for help either. Ask me ANYTHING about DOS or windows and I will probably be able to fix it, but trying to get Linux started is baffling the hell out of me. And I've been in computers since the time when: 1) You want a computer? BUILD it. 2) DOS didn't exist yet, CPM was still new 3) Teletypes were the I/O device everyone dreamed about 4) CompuServe's only competitor was The Source. Mark Potochnik wrote: Hey! Real men don't read instructions! :-) MarkP
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Rodger Boots wrote: Yeah, but real men don't ask for help either. Ask me ANYTHING about DOS or windows and I will probably be able to fix it, but trying to get Linux started is baffling the hell out of me. And I've been in computers since the time when: 1) You want a computer? BUILD it. 2) DOS didn't exist yet, CPM was still new 3) Teletypes were the I/O device everyone dreamed about 4) CompuServe's only competitor was The Source. Mark Potochnik wrote: Hey! Real men don't read instructions! :-) MarkP Me thinks I still have an old teletype in the basement. 8-) -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:03:45 + (GMT), you wrote: A common newbie dilemma is "Where do I turn for help?" Instead of calling his/her question "stupid," it would be much more productive if we pointed this person in the right direction toward the answer. Nice answer. And this has been done before, And it is not unusual to see that person get flamed for doing just what you said do. I have seen folks tell the newbies, "check the list archives", for example..."your answer is there", and then get flamed by that newbie and others for daring to tell them to check somewhere else for their answer, and not just giving them a detailed 2 page answer. Its not hard to do a search of the list archives. The suggestion for every member to do just that is right there when they sign on to the list. Also members of the list at various times are told to check certain faqs, guides, or other sources for their answer. And will then recieve a reply like, for example.."Possibly people got tired of, --, and being told to check the archives when it would be just as easy to answer the question?." And it doesnt matter how nicely the list member is told to check another source, many times, just the suggestion is taken as an insult. The result? One or more pissed off newbies and maybe an semi-expert who has helped many newbies who decides to ignore anymore requests for help from the newbie list. No...the questions themselves arent stupid, but maybe the people asking them are too lazy to try to find an answer for themselves. If a person get's annoyed by seeing a question many times, I suggest that he/she send the answer via E-mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (http://www.mandrakeuser.org). If the question is asked again, anyone on this list can then point this person to the above site. This saves retyping an E-mail, and the "solution" is also edited by Tom Berger before he posts it to the site. BTW - http://www.mandrakeuser.org is a wonderful site for anyone running Linux Mandrake. It is a site that's specific to Linux Mandrake and designed specifically for newbies. I've used it plenty of times. best, Matt From: "Wendell E. Gragg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Stupid questions Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:02:15 -0700 Good point! If I read right, the title of this list begins with the word "newbie", thus intimating a fundamental lack of knowledge of many who ask questions here. It would be hoped that a newbie list would be patient and understanding of those, who like myself, have just entered the world of Linux and are trying to grasp its operation. Reading Howto's and docs are fine, but what is often missing is a cohesive, step-by-step tutorial on how to use the operating system. Especially for users who are very new to computers, alot of hand holding is necessary. I am glad that the person who first made the impatient and frustrated response is not indicative of all on this list. After perusing it for about 10 days now, I have found that most of those who reply to questions are patient and understanding. I certainly hope that it continues as I am getting frustrated enough to try to post a question about my problem printing from Mandrake to this list. BTW, before I post it, I have read almost every Howto and have referred to several books on the subject to no avail! Just my .02! Wendell Gragg [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Joseph S. Gardner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Stupid questions Steven P Hull wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve Let's see, new machine, new hard drive, someone gave me this cute little CD with linux written on it and said "If you need any help a great place to look is [EMAIL PROTECTED]", and I thinks to my self "What a cool idea, thanks I'll try it." then I read something like the above and thinks to myself "What a sorry bunch of self-centered pompous $%+!@ ". Nice piece of penmanship. I wish I were perfect and knew everything about something new before I tried it, but since I'm not, thank God for the understanding people who populate this list ( OK, most of them anyway ). I certainly hope that the attached message is not what we've become. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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What is the best book out there so a newbie can look up real answers for questions MarkP
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Sensei at linuxnewbie.org put together a list of books that are suggested reading for newbies. Have a look see. :) Sean Mark Potochnik wrote: What is the best book out there so a newbie can look up real answers for questions MarkP __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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I started and still use Running Linux by O'reilly.. Mark Potochnik wrote: What is the best book out there so a newbie can look up real answers for questions MarkP
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Jeff Moroski wrote: I'll agree that many of the questions asked on this list may seem trivial at times, but this is the newbie list. If you're upset by the whole thing, why not just take yourself off the list? -Original Message- From: Steven P Hull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Stupid questions If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve Amen! jeff!!
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"Mark Potochnik" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best book out there so a newbie can look up real answers for questions MarkP I like "Running Linux" by Matt Walsh (O'Reilly) for "general Linux questions. If you like using KDE, try "Practical KDE" by Dennis Powell. There are MANY others, but I have found these two easiest to follow and most useful. Mike ## Michael Scottaline Linux 2.2.13 ## Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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Mark Potochnik wrote: A common newbie dilemma is "Where do I turn for help?" Instead of calling his/her question "stupid," it would be much more productive if we pointed this person in the right direction toward the answer. Another problem Where do I get help when my computer won't work? After loading Caldera Linux once Lilo was screwed up so I couldn't use either Wdoz or Linux Had to spend $50 for a call to get it up and working... MarkP $50 is cheap when you deal with Bill Gates
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I bought the "Red Hat Linux Bible" by Christopher Negrus at my local bookstore. It's geared more to RH than Mandrake. But, what I have read seems to be promising. It's an easy read. There is also "Linux for Dummies" out there. Haven't bought that one. On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Mark Potochnik wrote: What is the best book out there so a newbie can look up real answers for questions MarkP
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"Ty C. Mixon" wrote: Now for my stupid question, and I should know the answer but . . . I've got a tar file, and I've tried using 'tar -x filename to untar it, but it ain't working. It was originally a tar.bz, and bunzip2 brought out the tar fine. I'm trying to install jre, but can't get it, even though I did it on 6.0 a few months back, but later took it off. Any how I'm stuck. I like midnight commander for working with tarballs etc "mc" at the command prompt. Highlight your file F2 then "x" to extract them "man tar" offers a wealth of imformation... IIRC tar -xzf is the usual command -- Full plate packing steel! - Minsk
[newbie] Stupid questions
If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve
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But then again there's people like me that can't get to the online manuals because I can't get Linux loaded. And I LOST the printed manuals! (Just business as usual here!) Steven P Hull wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
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I'll agree that many of the questions asked on this list may seem trivial at times, but this is the newbie list. If you're upset by the whole thing, why not just take yourself off the list? -Original Message- From: Steven P Hull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Stupid questions If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve
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Yes you can still read the HowTo. If you have windows or any other program loaded to can still access them from the CD or the website. The cd is not linux only and can be read by any html program. - Original Message - From: "Rodger Boots" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Stupid questions But then again there's people like me that can't get to the online manuals because I can't get Linux loaded. And I LOST the printed manuals! (Just business as usual here!) Steven P Hull wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
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There are of course recources on the internet; www.linuxnewbie.org www.linuxdocs.org Various BBS like the ones at linuxnewbie and anandtech. There are the HOWTO's on the CD and this list. ;) I don't think that all questions asked are stupid but I do agree that a little reading or investigation would be more helpful than relying on this mail list. Sean --- Jeff Moroski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll agree that many of the questions asked on this list may seem trivial at times, but this is the newbie list. If you're upset by the whole thing, why not just take yourself off the list? -Original Message- From: Steven P Hull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Stupid questions If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Thanks, I'll try that. I'm also about half the way done with downloading the version 7 CD image. I wonder if running that might not fix my problems with being unable to partition 36.5 gig hard drives. Steven P Hull wrote: Yes you can still read the HowTo. If you have windows or any other program loaded to can still access them from the CD or the website. The cd is not linux only and can be read by any html program. - Original Message - From: "Rodger Boots" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Stupid questions But then again there's people like me that can't get to the online manuals because I can't get Linux loaded. And I LOST the printed manuals! (Just business as usual here!) Steven P Hull wrote: If you people would read the documentation that comes with EVERY version of LINUX you could probably answer about 90 percent of the RE-ITERATED stupid questions that get asked. Get with the program people. Look in you HOWTO's that come on the CD's. They are also installed on your hard disk if you told it to when you installed Linux. Steve -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
