Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Monday 09 December 2002 08:55, Ray Henry wrote: Yeah, that's what started all this trouble. Over 8 hours to finally get it installed, after having to figure out that Mandrake was lying to me. And now, more hours to get the modem working again :/ Bummer :/ Here my Quanta worked from day one. Have you installed your dist. from 3 CD's or only the first one? If only the first one, then I'm not surprised that your having problems. Actually, I was dual-booting with W98/RH 7.4, and didn't want to spend time getting all my toys working under RH. They work under MDK just fine. Too bad so much other stuff doesn't. I would probably been better off getting everything working under RH. Nah, Mandrake is better. Many things are easier under MDK as Redhat tend to be a little to MS'ish. Eg. the missing Mp3 support is a big no-no if they wanna survive the battle. MDK is gaining in on the market. It's got a long way to go before it's OS/2, though. At least for the end user. Sure, with server applications, Linux rocks. But to use as a desktop OS, it fails miserably at this point. I have never tried OS/2, so that I can't say, but Linux as a desktop OS would be better IF...the hardware manufactures would go support it! Somehow MS is the only one exisiting in their universe, and it's a pitty. But the way it is now, desktop with Linux could be easier, but it aint impossible :-) After a day of MDK'ing, I've experienced more frustration than I have since someone slipped a disk with the stoned.empire.monkey virus into my W95 machine about 5 years ago I didn't give up then, either. That's the problem: 1 day only. I said the same thing as you did the first week, I nearly cried myself to sleep (well not exactly, but you get the point), then I started hanging out at freenode and all my greefs became burried one after the other. Help in this universe isn't so far away. Although the experts told me after 48 hours I'd done everything possible, and that the only resolution was to buy a new HD. hmm. Yes, I am a bitter man. I miss my OS/2, and I want it back, dammit! :| :-) Smile The Linux community would be a better place for newbies if, as said before, the manufactures would recognise Linux as an option, and the same with the software developers. If MSI/nVidia made a driverset equals the Windows ones, I wouldn't have to use Windows for TV-Out (I know it's possible under Linux, but last time I tried my X setup went to the basement, and I haven't tried since). And if the game producers made Linux ports the way UT 2003 is for eg., then I wouldn't have to boot MS. But it's coming! It takes time though. MS has it's place in the world, but 3500DKK (that's app. 430USD) for a Windows XP Pro.. that's way to much when MDK9 comes for free and does the same, if not better. -- Martin L. Johansen Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) Spam will be forwared to /dev/null ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On 08 Dec 2002 17:00:55 -0600 Ray Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, this is EXTREMELY frustrating, an annoying time-consuming process the RedHat has been kind enough to deal with through their auto-updating. Regardless, Mandrake 8.2 comes with support for a number of devices that RedHat doesn't. Here's my problem: All I want to do is install an HTML editor. I'm informed the C++ compiler can't create executables. Search the 'Net, learn that I should update GCC. OK, no problem. rpmfind.net has what I need. gcc-3.2-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install it. Get message: binutils = 2.12.90.0.7-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk gcc-cpp = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk libgcc = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk So, I get binutils-2.12-90.0.15-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install that, get: libbfd-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed binutil* libopcodes-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed by binutil* Now, I could go on and on here, but you get the idea. There simply has to be a better way of doing this. I've got hours into attempting to install an HTML editor, more than enough time to FDSIK, install W98, and install 2 -3 GIGs of the applications to go what I need. :/ ack yes.. i've tried to upgrade myself and i get the same thing. there's a few progs out there i'd like but it needs a newer version of gcc but, having tried mandrake 9.0, i'm loathe to update. (don't like 9.0 one bit.) If you figure out how, let me know too. Jerry :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 18:55, Ray Henry wrote: Yes, I am a bitter man. I miss my OS/2, and I want it back, dammit! :| OS/2 running Felix, hacked OS/2Win applications (when really really needed) - mwith 2 x 16 port digiboards w/ octopus' to a modem per line...64mb of RAM, three 540mb Seagates - swap file on the secondary drive, temp on the data drive...flew like the dickens... ...gosh, those were great days...was even better when I had 24 SIMULTANEOUS users online all either downloading or chatting...wow...those were the days... -- Mon Dec 9 20:35:00 EST 2002 8:35pm up 1 day, 20 min, 5 users, load average: 0.23, 1.30, 2.56 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn I'm growing older, but not up. -- Jimmy Buffett Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Monday 09 Dec 2002 3:09 am, Todd Slater wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:47:49 + Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to discover urpmi The command urpmi gcc (as root) will do all you need. Then read up about urpmi at http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3558 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3460 derek Not related to gcc but gtk2+, pango, and a few other packages--would urpmi work for that, too? If I have apps compiled using the older gtk (1.2), is an upgrade going to mess them up? I hosed my system once trying to upgrade these packages, and am debating about whether to move to 9.0 or wait for the next release. I just want to run the new ROX, but I can't! Todd No. because the 8.2 sources do not have gtk2.0 in them. To run Rox 1.3 you will need gtk2.0, and in order to get that installed you will have to update an awful lot of packages. I would recommend going to 9.0 There is always a better release just around the corner. In my experience 9.0 is just great. Rox 1.3 is very nice, but if you run Fluxbox/Blackbox there is a conflict between the Right mouse button between them that means that running the Rox pinboard is more trouble than it is worth IMO. So now I run Rox with the panel instead. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 10:42:05AM +, Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 09 Dec 2002 3:09 am, Todd Slater wrote: snip Not related to gcc but gtk2+, pango, and a few other packages--would urpmi work for that, too? If I have apps compiled using the older gtk (1.2), is an upgrade going to mess them up? I hosed my system once trying to upgrade these packages, and am debating about whether to move to 9.0 or wait for the next release. I just want to run the new ROX, but I can't! Todd No. because the 8.2 sources do not have gtk2.0 in them. To run Rox 1.3 you will need gtk2.0, and in order to get that installed you will have to update an awful lot of packages. I would recommend going to 9.0 There is always a better release just around the corner. In my experience 9.0 is just great. Rox 1.3 is very nice, but if you run Fluxbox/Blackbox there is a conflict between the Right mouse button between them that means that running the Rox pinboard is more trouble than it is worth IMO. So now I run Rox with the panel instead. derek Thanks for the info, Derek. I just want ROX for the filer. I do use it as a desktop/session manager for my daughter, but to use certain window managers (like Metacity and fvwm4) I need GTK2.0 for those, too. For my purposes, my current setup is functional. But I will upgrade soon because I have really been bit by the customization bug! I hated the look of that ROX panel when I used it. Have you looked at idesk? Several people on the ROX list have mentioned. Some have said it's a pain to set up, but great once you've got it going properly. http://linuxhelp.hn.org/idesk.php Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Updating libraries
OK, this is EXTREMELY frustrating, an annoying time-consuming process the RedHat has been kind enough to deal with through their auto-updating. Regardless, Mandrake 8.2 comes with support for a number of devices that RedHat doesn't. Here's my problem: All I want to do is install an HTML editor. I'm informed the C++ compiler can't create executables. Search the 'Net, learn that I should update GCC. OK, no problem. rpmfind.net has what I need. gcc-3.2-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install it. Get message: binutils = 2.12.90.0.7-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk gcc-cpp = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk libgcc = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk So, I get binutils-2.12-90.0.15-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install that, get: libbfd-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed binutil* libopcodes-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed by binutil* Now, I could go on and on here, but you get the idea. There simply has to be a better way of doing this. I've got hours into attempting to install an HTML editor, more than enough time to FDSIK, install W98, and install 2 -3 GIGs of the applications to go what I need. :/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 10:00, Ray Henry wrote: OK, this is EXTREMELY frustrating, an annoying time-consuming process the RedHat has been kind enough to deal with through their auto-updating. Regardless, Mandrake 8.2 comes with support for a number of devices that RedHat doesn't. Here's my problem: All I want to do is install an HTML editor. I'm informed the C++ compiler can't create executables. Search the 'Net, learn that I should update GCC. OK, no problem. rpmfind.net has what I need. gcc-3.2-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install it. Get message: binutils = 2.12.90.0.7-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk gcc-cpp = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk libgcc = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk So, I get binutils-2.12-90.0.15-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install that, get: libbfd-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed binutil* libopcodes-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed by binutil* Now, I could go on and on here, but you get the idea. There simply has to be a better way of doing this. I've got hours into attempting to install an HTML editor, more than enough time to FDSIK, install W98, and install 2 -3 GIGs of the applications to go what I need. :/ What about installing an HTML editor that doesn't require all that? Like Quanta? PS: Couldn't you just load the necessary RPM's from your original MDK 8.2 distro? -- Mon Dec 9 10:05:00 EST 2002 10:05am up 13:50, 5 users, load average: 0.26, 0.29, 0.35 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn we: The single most important word in the world. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 10:00, Ray Henry wrote: OK, this is EXTREMELY frustrating, an annoying time-consuming process the RedHat has been kind enough to deal with through their auto-updating. Regardless, Mandrake 8.2 comes with support for a number of devices that RedHat doesn't. Here's my problem: All I want to do is install an HTML editor. I'm informed the C++ compiler can't create executables. Search the 'Net, learn that I should update GCC. OK, no problem. rpmfind.net has what I need. gcc-3.2-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install it. Get message: binutils = 2.12.90.0.7-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk gcc-cpp = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk libgcc = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk So, I get binutils-2.12-90.0.15-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install that, get: libbfd-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed binutil* libopcodes-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed by binutil* Now, I could go on and on here, but you get the idea. There simply has to be a better way of doing this. I've got hours into attempting to install an HTML editor, more than enough time to FDSIK, install W98, and install 2 -3 GIGs of the applications to go what I need. :/ What about installing an HTML editor that doesn't require all that? Like Quanta? Or Bluefish! Surely if you use Mdk Software Installer (aka urpmi) yu dependency problems should be sorted out automatically. Sir Robin -- Do unto others what you would like others to do unto you. And have fun doing it. - Linus Torvalds Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent University Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
You need to discover urpmi The command urpmi gcc (as root) will do all you need. Then read up about urpmi at http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3558 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3460 derek On Sunday 08 Dec 2002 11:00 pm, Ray Henry wrote: OK, this is EXTREMELY frustrating, an annoying time-consuming process the RedHat has been kind enough to deal with through their auto-updating. Regardless, Mandrake 8.2 comes with support for a number of devices that RedHat doesn't. Here's my problem: All I want to do is install an HTML editor. I'm informed the C++ compiler can't create executables. Search the 'Net, learn that I should update GCC. OK, no problem. rpmfind.net has what I need. gcc-3.2-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install it. Get message: binutils = 2.12.90.0.7-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk gcc-cpp = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk libgcc = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk So, I get binutils-2.12-90.0.15-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install that, get: libbfd-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed binutil* libopcodes-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed by binutil* Now, I could go on and on here, but you get the idea. There simply has to be a better way of doing this. I've got hours into attempting to install an HTML editor, more than enough time to FDSIK, install W98, and install 2 -3 GIGs of the applications to go what I need. :/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:47:49 + Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to discover urpmi The command urpmi gcc (as root) will do all you need. Then read up about urpmi at http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3558 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3460 derek Not related to gcc but gtk2+, pango, and a few other packages--would urpmi work for that, too? If I have apps compiled using the older gtk (1.2), is an upgrade going to mess them up? I hosed my system once trying to upgrade these packages, and am debating about whether to move to 9.0 or wait for the next release. I just want to run the new ROX, but I can't! Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 12:08, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 10:00, Ray Henry wrote: OK, this is EXTREMELY frustrating, an annoying time-consuming process the RedHat has been kind enough to deal with through their auto-updating. Regardless, Mandrake 8.2 comes with support for a number of devices that RedHat doesn't. Here's my problem: All I want to do is install an HTML editor. I'm informed the C++ compiler can't create executables. Search the 'Net, learn that I should update GCC. OK, no problem. rpmfind.net has what I need. gcc-3.2-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install it. Get message: binutils = 2.12.90.0.7-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk gcc-cpp = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk libgcc = 3.2-1mdk is needed by gcc-3.2-1mdk So, I get binutils-2.12-90.0.15-1mdk.i586.rpm. Try to install that, get: libbfd-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed binutil* libopcodes-2.12.90.0.15.so is needed by binutil* Now, I could go on and on here, but you get the idea. There simply has to be a better way of doing this. I've got hours into attempting to install an HTML editor, more than enough time to FDSIK, install W98, and install 2 -3 GIGs of the applications to go what I need. :/ What about installing an HTML editor that doesn't require all that? Like Quanta? Or Bluefish Or for a gui one try Mozilla Composer or OpenOffice.org or StarOffice All on the CD's PS: Couldn't you just load the necessary RPM's from your original MDK 8.2 distro? -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 22:55, Michael Adams wrote: Or Bluefish Or for a gui one try Mozilla Composer or OpenOffice.org or StarOffice All on the CD's Yeah, well You know I was hoping for something better than Composer... Anyway, finally figured out what I was doing wrong. Not using the GUI. That's right folks, the Software Update from X allowed me to install the very safe libraries that the prompt told me were already installed. Guess they weren't as the Software Manager didn't see them, and installed them for me. That will teach me to try to avoid a GUI, won't it? Frustrating, I've run RH for about a year on a server, almost never seeing the GUI, and never had it tell me something was installed when it wasn't Now I just have to try to figure out what broke my modem in the process. KdeprintFax now returns invalid modem response when I try to send a fax. Ugh Why did I leave MS? :P Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Monday 09 December 2002 08:29, Ray Henry wrote: Yeah, well You know I was hoping for something better than Composer... That's an easy one..: Quanta Plus from KDE3 Now I just have to try to figure out what broke my modem in the process. KdeprintFax now returns invalid modem response when I try to send a fax. Ugh Why did I leave MS? :P Pick me! Pick me! I know this one... You left MS for something way better :-) I know MS is giving you less greef, but Mandrake gives you so much more besides greefs. After a few weeks of MDK'ing, I'll never go back to MS as my primary OS. Right now I only use MS for playing games and watching the DVD's that my stationary won't play. Give it a try! -- Martin L. Johansen Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) Spam will be forwared to /dev/null ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating libraries
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 01:36, Martin L. Johansen wrote: That's an easy one..: Quanta Plus from KDE3 Yeah, that's what started all this trouble. Over 8 hours to finally get it installed, after having to figure out that Mandrake was lying to me. And now, more hours to get the modem working again :/ Pick me! Pick me! I know this one... You left MS for something way better :-) Actually, I was dual-booting with W98/RH 7.4, and didn't want to spend time getting all my toys working under RH. They work under MDK just fine. Too bad so much other stuff doesn't. I would probably been better off getting everything working under RH. I know MS is giving you less greef, but Mandrake gives you so much more besides greefs. It's got a long way to go before it's OS/2, though. At least for the end user. Sure, with server applications, Linux rocks. But to use as a desktop OS, it fails miserably at this point. After a few weeks of MDK'ing, I'll never go back to MS as my primary OS. Right now I only use MS for playing games and watching the DVD's that my stationary won't play. Give it a try! After a day of MDK'ing, I've experienced more frustration than I have since someone slipped a disk with the stoned.empire.monkey virus into my W95 machine about 5 years ago I didn't give up then, either. Although the experts told me after 48 hours I'd done everything possible, and that the only resolution was to buy a new HD. Kept at it, and salvaged that HD. And for what? A 1 GIG Quantum Fireball isn't worth anything now. Well, except that I've ghosted the HD from my father's Slackware router to it, for the next time he thinks things scrolling on the screen (trying to reconnect after the ISP has dropped) means he has to hit the reset button... :/ Yes, I am a bitter man. I miss my OS/2, and I want it back, dammit! :| Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
