Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 23:17, you wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:02:20 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: Well, I didn't mention responsibility or anything like that. :-) But since the Mandrake online information *does* say that you can continue to use your old OS on the same machine, it would be a good idea to give a word or two of caution at this important step in the installation process. well, if it was the _OLD_ OS, it would (seems natural to me) be on a partition before the installed _NEW_ OS, Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:21:11 -0900 tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Lerner wrote: Actually, since I need to run Windows rarely, what I think I'll do is delete the second partition containing Win 2000 and use it for Linux. Is that easy to accomplish? Then I'll just run Windows when I need it under Virtual PC on my Mac. doug Sounds like a plan ;-) Yep, just go to control center And choose HardwareMountPoints which will bring up diskdrake click on the winpartition, click on unmount if ti is mounted. Change the type to linux native or to XFS or whatever you prefer like ext3 or JFS or Reiser... then click format to make it whatever, then select a mount point --whatever you want to name it If for example you decide you want a separate partition for the /home directory, just make the mount point /spare and mount it then exit. then run cp -a /home/* /spare and then bring up diskdrake again, unmount /spare, change the mount point to /home and exit without mounting it still as root in a terminal rm -r /home -f mount /home will destroy the old home directory and reclaim the space and then make the new /home directory available. If Win2k is using NTFS diskdrake Will Not be able to delete it or in any way alter it. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
perhaps i'm missing the point of the thread here, but i have in the past successfully had two seperate win9x partitions on my drive, both of which booted from lilo, a the moment i have a dos partition at hda1 and a winxp-ntfs partition at hda2, both these boot from lilo, perhaps the issue here is to do with 'hiding' partitions? just my thrup'ny bit from the christmas pud! bascule On Wednesday 26 December 2001 3:50 am, you wrote: Well, obviously everybody in the world except for me knew that Windows will not run from the 2nd partition. I will just re-install. The Windows installation is new anyway and I have no real data that is lost. I *do* think a warning in the installer would be a good idea though! doug Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
No, the issue is that win2k/NT *has* to be on the first partition on the drive or it won't load. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:12:52 -0800 (PST) Ken Nowack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the issue is that win2k/NT *has* to be on the first partition on the drive or it won't load. That statement simply Is Not true. Win2k can be installed to or booted from any partition or even any drive on your system. I have used and unstalled it thus. I have even moved the drive to another system and Grub was able to pick up boot both the Win2K and Win98 partitions. The problem is that for whatever reason the NT bootloader can be as fickle as win itself. 9 out of 10 times no problem occurs but on the 10th ntloader.exe is damaged or not able to be properly transfered. The best option If lilo is being used And lilo has been installed Only once is to run /sbin/lilo -u to restore the 2K bootloader. If 2k will now auto boot without problem, use the floppy to boot linux and reinstall lilo. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:12:52 -0800 (PST) Ken Nowack [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: No, the issue is that win2k/NT *has* to be on the first partition on the drive or it won't load. _thats_ been a known issue with NT forever. Most familiar with NT already know this so it's really a non-issue. However, those never having dealt with NT before and being new to Win2K very well might not know this and would likely run into this difficulty. So, I wouldn't think it would be the responsibility if the Mandrake documentation people/process to advise or inform folks that there will be problems _if_ windows isn't, in this situation, the first OS on the drive. This is a matter of knowing your current OS and it's needs and compatability issues _before_ making major changes to the existing system. -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 12:05pm up 10 days, 3:54, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.33 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
Actually, since I need to run Windows rarely, what I think I'll do is delete the second partition containing Win 2000 and use it for Linux. Is that easy to accomplish? Then I'll just run Windows when I need it under Virtual PC on my Mac. doug Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
There is nothing wrong with being nice about it and including a warning, is there? It seems like something that might happen fairly often. doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001): On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:12:52 -0800 (PST) Ken Nowack [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: No, the issue is that win2k/NT *has* to be on the first partition on the drive or it won't load. _thats_ been a known issue with NT forever. Most familiar with NT already know this so it's really a non-issue. However, those never having dealt with NT before and being new to Win2K very well might not know this and would likely run into this difficulty. So, I wouldn't think it would be the responsibility if the Mandrake documentation people/process to advise or inform folks that there will be problems _if_ windows isn't, in this situation, the first OS on the drive. This is a matter of knowing your current OS and it's needs and compatability issues _before_ making major changes to the existing system. -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 12:05pm up 10 days, 3:54, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.33 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:02:20 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: Well, I didn't mention responsibility or anything like that. :-) But since the Mandrake online information *does* say that you can continue to use your old OS on the same machine, it would be a good idea to give a word or two of caution at this important step in the installation process. doug yes...i see your point. it would at that. -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 11:05pm up 10 days, 14:54, 2 users, load average: 1.03, 0.90, 0.76 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
Is there a way of removing the Windows partition and then just adding the reclaimed space to the already existing /home partition? doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001): Doug Lerner wrote: Actually, since I need to run Windows rarely, what I think I'll do is delete the second partition containing Win 2000 and use it for Linux. Is that easy to accomplish? Then I'll just run Windows when I need it under Virtual PC on my Mac. doug Sounds like a plan ;-) Yep, just go to control center And choose HardwareMountPoints which will bring up diskdrake click on the winpartition, click on unmount if ti is mounted. Change the type to linux native or to XFS or whatever you prefer like ext3 or JFS or Reiser... then click format to make it whatever, then select a mount point --whatever you want to name it If for example you decide you want a separate partition for the /home directory, just make the mount point /spare and mount it then exit. then run cp -a /home/* /spare and then bring up diskdrake again, unmount /spare, change the mount point to /home and exit without mounting it still as root in a terminal rm -r /home -f mount /home will destroy the old home directory and reclaim the space and then make the new /home directory available. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Monday 24 December 2001 20:15, you wrote: I went to Control Center Boot Boot Config, but Windows was already there. Clicking on Modify for that entry didn't really seem to indicate anything wrong - it was still specified as being on the second partition, which is where it is... doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tuesday, December 25, 2001): On Monday 24 December 2001 12:28, you wrote: Hmmm... Mandrake Linux 8.1 is working fine, but if I restart the machine and choose windows at the startup screen, my Windows 2000 parition won't load. Any suggestions as to what I might try? Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo I think you just need to give the lilo a little more help. Go into the Mandrake Control Center, (icon on the KDE Desktop or the start button K configurationotherMandrake Control Center. Give your root password, Then click on the + sign on Boot then boot config. Check the screen over to familiarize yourself with what is there, and then click on the box in the upper right that says configure. It will pop up a screen with the boot loader choice you saw at install, click ok, then in the next screen click on add and you will have a choice of linux or windows, choosing windows takes you into the setup screen for your windows stuff and from there it should be self explanatory. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Now I don't know what to tell you if lilo won't boot it, maybe windows doesn't like being second. Wiser heads must now help. -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
Dennis Myers wrote: On Monday 24 December 2001 20:15, you wrote: I went to Control Center Boot Boot Config, but Windows was already there. Clicking on Modify for that entry didn't really seem to indicate anything wrong - it was still specified as being on the second partition, which is where it is... doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tuesday, December 25, 2001): On Monday 24 December 2001 12:28, you wrote: Hmmm... Mandrake Linux 8.1 is working fine, but if I restart the machine and choose windows at the startup screen, my Windows 2000 parition won't load. Any suggestions as to what I might try? Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo I think you just need to give the lilo a little more help. Go into the Mandrake Control Center, (icon on the KDE Desktop or the start button K configurationotherMandrake Control Center. Give your root password, Then click on the + sign on Boot then boot config. Check the screen over to familiarize yourself with what is there, and then click on the box in the upper right that says configure. It will pop up a screen with the boot loader choice you saw at install, click ok, then in the next screen click on add and you will have a choice of linux or windows, choosing windows takes you into the setup screen for your windows stuff and from there it should be self explanatory. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Now I don't know what to tell you if lilo won't boot it, maybe windows doesn't like being second. Wiser heads must now help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com You are addressing a windows issue Win2K has its own bootloader, which will boot various windows versions. While we mormally have no problem with this, it seems to break down once a non-windows partition has been encountered in the chain. In other words, if you want it to work, dump linux, reinstall w2k to that first partition, copy over your data, then install Mandrake in the second position. This will work handily. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wednesday, December 26, 2001): You are addressing a windows issue Win2K has its own bootloader, which will boot various windows versions. While we mormally have no problem with this, it seems to break down once a non-windows partition has been encountered in the chain. In other words, if you want it to work, dump linux, reinstall w2k to that first partition, copy over your data, then install Mandrake in the second position. This will work handily. Civileme I *strongly* suggest this be given as a warning in the installer! doug Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
Well, obviously everybody in the world except for me knew that Windows will not run from the 2nd partition. I will just re-install. The Windows installation is new anyway and I have no real data that is lost. I *do* think a warning in the installer would be a good idea though! doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wednesday, December 26, 2001): On Monday 24 December 2001 09:28, you wrote: Hmmm... Mandrake Linux 8.1 is working fine, but if I restart the machine and choose windows at the startup screen, my Windows 2000 parition won't load. Any suggestions as to what I might try? Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo I had that happen a couple of times (once with NT4.0 and once with W2K). The following assumes that your W2K partition is the first one on your harddrive, and that what probably happened is that lilo was written to the drive's mbr and overwrote the winders bootloader, and that although lilo picked up on the windows installation the windows installation is refusing to boot from anything but it's own loader. If you've installed W2K on the second partition, then it ain't gonna work, Winblows loader wants to be on the first partition. Linux has no such preferences, and lilo will work from any partition. My solution has been to use the NT bootloader to load lilo, which I install on the first partiton of my linux installation. I can't be sure that is what has happened to you, but if it is, it's recoverable, but an extreme hassle involving re-installing Win from the install disks to recover the mbr, after installing lilo on the first partition dedicated to linux (NOT on a partition before W2K), and after making absolutely certain that the linux boot disk works! If you determine that is the problem, the instructions for using the NT (W2K is the same) bootloader are here: http://morse.colorado.edu/itplab/ipv6/dualboot.html And, this method is less than optimal if you use reiserfs, because if reiser goes down its journaling filesystem will recover linux, but you'll have to go through the process of redirecting the winders loader to lilo again. I don't know about ext3, but to be safe you might want to use ext2. e. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
Doug Lerner wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wednesday, December 26, 2001): You are addressing a windows issue Win2K has its own bootloader, which will boot various windows versions. While we mormally have no problem with this, it seems to break down once a non-windows partition has been encountered in the chain. In other words, if you want it to work, dump linux, reinstall w2k to that first partition, copy over your data, then install Mandrake in the second position. This will work handily. Civileme I *strongly* suggest this be given as a warning in the installer! doug Do you think anyone would read it? I had to deal with an expert who could not find the Update button just days ago. He was so used to OK on the right and Cancel on the left that he missed that it was install and Update. Yes, I will pass that suggestion to the install team. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:23:41 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wednesday, December 26, 2001): You are addressing a windows issue Win2K has its own bootloader, which will boot various windows versions. While we mormally have no problem with this, it seems to break down once a non-windows partition has been encountered in the chain. In other words, if you want it to work, dump linux, reinstall w2k to that first partition, copy over your data, then install Mandrake in the second position. This will work handily. Civileme I *strongly* suggest this be given as a warning in the installer! doug actually, I believe it is mentioned. you've just got to read a bit. then again, the installation has become so much more automagically easier since I started eons ago with redhat where you actually had to read the install manuals before doing anything, make a boot floppy with rawrite, and then boot the floppy and so on. Not like now where you can simply place the cd in the tray and boot the cd. Of course, unless you choose expert mode and actually do the partitioning yourself you can't tell the installer where you want to place the installation of Linux. And that requires some reading that is in the documentation. Last I checked everything that a guy/girl needed to know about a Mandrake install cohabitating with other OS's is well documented and readily available on the net. Especially at the MandrakeSoft website/forums/Expert... etc. course I like one of the solutions best. Just place the Cd in the tray and tell it to install after booting the Cd. totally wipes and partitions the drive completely erradicating ALL traces of Windows. :) but thats just me and not everyone wants to be windows free. -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 11:05pm up 9 days, 14:54, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:50:43 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: Well, obviously everybody in the world except for me knew that Windows will not run from the 2nd partition. I will just re-install. The Windows installation is new anyway and I have no real data that is lost. I *do* think a warning in the installer would be a good idea though! it's *in* the *documentation* that you must *read* -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 11:05pm up 9 days, 14:54, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
Actually, that is not true. It is not in the documentation. When I was installing I followed along with the documentation. The step in question is at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/doc/81/en/user.html/ formatpartitions.html That section does not include a single word about being careful of Windows partitions. Again, I do think it is important to include (in both the documentation and the installer) at least one warning line like: Warning: Windows partitions must be in the first partition in order to boot from Linux. doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wednesday, December 26, 2001): On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:50:43 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: Well, obviously everybody in the world except for me knew that Windows will not run from the 2nd partition. I will just re-install. The Windows installation is new anyway and I have no real data that is lost. I *do* think a warning in the installer would be a good idea though! it's *in* the *documentation* that you must *read* -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 11:05pm up 9 days, 14:54, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 13:34, you wrote: I *do* think a warning in the installer would be a good idea though! it's *in* the *documentation* that you must *read* Well, that can be endlessly discussed. There are two kinds of people: those who read the docs and those who don't. My experience tells me that the second group is way bigger than the first. If you are a car manufacturer, you can write in the docs that you should at least press the clutch or set the gear to neutral before starting the engine. But the best solution is to put a switch on the gearbox so that it is simply impossible to start the engine with a gear. So, you're right, people *should* read the docs, but as many don't, there *should* be a warning. Pascal Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
Hmmm... Mandrake Linux 8.1 is working fine, but if I restart the machine and choose windows at the startup screen, my Windows 2000 parition won't load. Any suggestions as to what I might try? Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
On Monday 24 December 2001 12:28, you wrote: Hmmm... Mandrake Linux 8.1 is working fine, but if I restart the machine and choose windows at the startup screen, my Windows 2000 parition won't load. Any suggestions as to what I might try? Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo I think you just need to give the lilo a little more help. Go into the Mandrake Control Center, (icon on the KDE Desktop or the start button K configurationotherMandrake Control Center. Give your root password, Then click on the + sign on Boot then boot config. Check the screen over to familiarize yourself with what is there, and then click on the box in the upper right that says configure. It will pop up a screen with the boot loader choice you saw at install, click ok, then in the next screen click on add and you will have a choice of linux or windows, choosing windows takes you into the setup screen for your windows stuff and from there it should be self explanatory. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows partition won't load anymore
I went to Control Center Boot Boot Config, but Windows was already there. Clicking on Modify for that entry didn't really seem to indicate anything wrong - it was still specified as being on the second partition, which is where it is... doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tuesday, December 25, 2001): On Monday 24 December 2001 12:28, you wrote: Hmmm... Mandrake Linux 8.1 is working fine, but if I restart the machine and choose windows at the startup screen, my Windows 2000 parition won't load. Any suggestions as to what I might try? Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo I think you just need to give the lilo a little more help. Go into the Mandrake Control Center, (icon on the KDE Desktop or the start button K configurationotherMandrake Control Center. Give your root password, Then click on the + sign on Boot then boot config. Check the screen over to familiarize yourself with what is there, and then click on the box in the upper right that says configure. It will pop up a screen with the boot loader choice you saw at install, click ok, then in the next screen click on add and you will have a choice of linux or windows, choosing windows takes you into the setup screen for your windows stuff and from there it should be self explanatory. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
