Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Tuesday June 10 2003 07:53 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 09 June 2003 05:11 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: It'll probly never go to 64 even if it set higher. Set aperature to 4mb and it effectively disables sidebanding. Often that cures many AGP problems. Tom, I went and googlized -agp sidebanding- and some of it got pretty hairy. Can you give an understandable definition? :-) No ;) Can't say I understand it any better than you, but I can copy'n paste ;) Sideband Addressing Mode - This mode offers the highest level of AGP performance. In addition to allowing multiple outstanding transactions and non-coherent access to main memory, Sideband Addressing introduces a separate address/command bus, the Sideband Address Port (SBA). Because the SBA and data buses are not multiplexed, the graphic controller can use the SBA to make data requests without interrupting the data bus. Now AGP compared to PCI video (AGP is just a subset spec of the PCI bus), imposes more cpu, chipset and other hardware resource loads. As always, 'highest' optimization can lead to problems as well as benefits. Particularly with some cpu's, some motherboard chipsets, and some ram, or various combinations of all those, or overclocked hardware. If disabling it eliminates or reduces video problems, then AGP sidebanding doesn't like your hardware or how it's configured. Then there's the linux kernel in the mix. I just read an article this mornin about linux - P4, i875 chipset compatibility. One work around was to disable AGP. From experience, I believe setting the aperature to 4 in bios would work too. I wasn't too sure where they were advocating puttin agp_try_unsupported=1. XF86Config-4 ? http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/16/1610236mode=thread -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Tuesday 10 June 2003 11:32 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: No ;) Can't say I understand it any better than you, but I can copy'n paste ;) :-) Thanks, thats along the lines of what I found. Lots of hits were advocating disabling it, if it wasn't already. My sons comps both have Geforce 2's with 32 and 64 megs of Ram, and both are 2X AGP. I've never seen a game crash under Linux on them. I've got a Ti4200 with 64 megs of Ram, 4X AGP and I've had lots of instability issues... First I thought it was memory (and partly was - I guess - cpuburn wouldn't run longer than 2 mins). So in came the Corsair DDR memory. Then I thought it was heat (and again, I think it partly was). I was running at around 50 degrees C., now I'm down to 34 degrees C. due to some extra fans 'n stuff. Nowdunno. I'm running 9.1 download edition, and its about like when I was running 9.0 so I don't think its the hardware. I suppose it could be something in BIOS but I've tried default, optimized, and everything in between. I looked at the BIOS on my oldest sons comp - its a Soyo board too (although not a Dragon Plus) and our settings are similiar. I might go drop down to 2X AGP and aperture of 4, like you said, just to see what happens next. grin See ya! (and thanks as always) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Tuesday June 10 2003 11:03 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: I've got a Ti4200 with 64 megs of Ram, 4X AGP and I've had lots of instability issues... First I thought it was memory (and partly was - I guess - cpuburn wouldn't run longer than 2 mins). So in came the Corsair DDR memory. Then I thought it was heat (and again, I think it partly was). I was running at around 50 degrees C., now I'm down to 34 degrees C. due to some extra fans 'n stuff. Nowdunno. I'm running 9.1 download edition, and its about like when I was running 9.0 so I don't think its the hardware. I suppose it could be something in BIOS but I've tried default, optimized, and everything in between. I looked at the BIOS on my oldest sons comp - its a Soyo board too Are you usin the nVidia proprietary driver? File a bug report with them, that's most likely where the issues are. If linux users would start buggin 'em, instead of just acceptin closed source drivers, we'd likely get better support. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 00:41, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 08 June 2003 07:03 pm, ed tharp wrote: and what are we doing about acpi, apm, apic, both in BIOS and software, and what is the AGP settings? also, does this MoBo bios rest to defaults when it crashes? (I mean when you have to power off by the switch, if ever?) Acpi and apic are turned off in lilo.conf, and apm is turned off under services. Don't remember BIOS settings for the first 2, but apm is turned off for all events in BIOS except to kick the monitor off after so long. The AGP settings in BIOS are all turned off by default except for post-write (IIRC). what about agp memory aperture? Its a Soyo Dragon Plus MB, I don't think it does reset. Anyways, the crash is not hard, just back to the shell. startx takes you right back to KDE. Thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Monday 09 June 2003 07:20 am, ed tharp wrote: what about agp memory aperture? I have a 64 meg Ti4200 Nvidia card so I set the aperture to 64 megs. Is that okay? -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
At 09:53 AM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Monday 09 June 2003 07:20 am, ed tharp wrote: what about agp memory aperture? I have a 64 meg Ti4200 Nvidia card so I set the aperture to 64 megs. Is that okay? -- /\ Dark Lord \/ i don't know if it applies to linux but in windows 128 is normal...not matter what size your video ram is. Tho 64 is safe if you feel 128 is pushing it too hard. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Monday June 9 2003 02:44 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: i don't know if it applies to linux but in windows 128 is normal...not matter what size your video ram is. Tho 64 is safe if you feel 128 is pushing it too hard. It'll probly never go to 64 even if it set higher. Set aperature to 4mb and it effectively disables sidebanding. Often that cures many AGP problems. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] X crashing problem
Got an odd problem here - only since I've been using v9.1 of Mandrake (download edition). Every so often - and I'm talking like every 5-10-15 mins or so, X crashes back to the shell. Always the same message, caught signal 11, fatal server error. Sometimes it crashes sitting still, no games running, no screensaver, just sitting there - boom - back to the shell. I checked the Xfree logs, it just says the same thing. I've got an Nvidia Ti4200 (64 megs) card, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, and am using the latest 4349 drivers. Here is my XF86Config-4 file: # File generated by XFdrake. # ** # Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of # this file. # ** Section Files # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. FontPath unix/:-1 EndSection Section ServerFlags #DontZap # disable CrtlAltBS (server abort) AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse doesn't work #DontZoom # disable CrtlAltKP_+/KP_- (resolution switching) EndSection Section Module Load dbe # Double-Buffering Extension Load v4l # Video for Linux Load extmod Load type1 Load freetype Load glx # 3D layer EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard1 Driver Keyboard Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us Option XkbCompat Option XkbOptions EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option Device /dev/usbmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier monitor1 VendorName Generic ModelName 1024x768 @ 70 Hz HorizSync 31.5-57.0 VertRefresh 50-70 # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)? # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync ModeLine 1024x48065.00 1024 1032 1176 1344 480 488 494 563 -hsync -vsync # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync ModeLine 768x576 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync ModeLine 768x576 63.07 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616 EndSection Section Device Identifier NV AGP VendorName nvidia BoardName NVIDIA GeForce4 (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen AGP Device NV AGP Monitor monitor1 DefaultColorDepth 16 Subsection Display Depth 8 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 15 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 16 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubsection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier AGP InputDevice Keyboard1 CoreKeyboard InputDevice Mouse1 CorePointer Screen Screen AGP EndSection Any help, hints, clues or observations would be appreciated! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:46:28 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Got an odd problem here - only since I've been using v9.1 of Mandrake (download edition). Every so often - and I'm talking like every 5-10-15 mins or so, X crashes back to the shell. Always the same message, caught signal 11, fatal server error. Sometimes it crashes sitting still, no games running, no screensaver, just sitting there - boom - back to the shell. which desktop enviro are you running? the xfconfig looks right, you're loading the NVidia drivers and GLX. could it be though, that it crashed when the screensaver *attempts* to run, or are you saying you've disabled the screensaver entirely? a signal 11 is just a segfault IIRC, means some app hit a block it couldn't get around. If it was XWindows that was *immediately* giving you a signal 11, i'd be concerned. in this case I would bet it's just an individual app. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 11:51:30 up 5 days, 9:55, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:52:21 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Hmm, I'd like to know how to tell the difference? well, I am only basing that theory on the fact that x is not crashing when you first open it, but later on, perhaps by something running in the background. I couldn't get anything helpful out of the log files... one thing that *might* give you more info is if you send all X output to a text file. to do this, you must start x manually from text mode (ie. runlevel 3), like so: kde ~/xoutput.txt that way you might see the actual error when it occurs. of course this is the same thing that would come up on TTY1, but that is usually off the screen by the time you crash out to text mode, and I am not sure that the X log will record everything that happens, anyone else know whether it does or not? also look in /var/log/messages for errors that may be less related to X, but could potentially crash it. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 14:53:20 up 5 days, 12:57, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.02 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
At 11:46 AM 6/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: Got an odd problem here - only since I've been using v9.1 of Mandrake (download edition). Every so often - and I'm talking like every 5-10-15 mins or so, X crashes back to the shell. Always the same message, caught signal 11, fatal server error. Sometimes it crashes sitting still, no games running, no screensaver, just sitting there - boom - back to the shell. I checked the Xfree logs, it just says the same thing. I've got an Nvidia Ti4200 (64 megs) card, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, and am using the latest 4349 drivers. Here is my XF86Config-4 file: # File generated by XFdrake. Snip Any help, hints, clues or observations would be appreciated! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Try disabling DPMS? Thats what i'd do first off... - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 18:49, FemmeFatale wrote: At 11:46 AM 6/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: Got an odd problem here - only since I've been using v9.1 of Mandrake (download edition). Every so often - and I'm talking like every 5-10-15 mins or so, X crashes back to the shell. Always the same message, caught signal 11, fatal server error. Sometimes it crashes sitting still, no games running, no screensaver, just sitting there - boom - back to the shell. I checked the Xfree logs, it just says the same thing. I've got an Nvidia Ti4200 (64 megs) card, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, and am using the latest 4349 drivers. Here is my XF86Config-4 file: # File generated by XFdrake. Snip Any help, hints, clues or observations would be appreciated! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Try disabling DPMS? Thats what i'd do first off... - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt and what are we doing about acpi, apm, apic, both in BIOS and software, and what is the AGP settings? also, does this MoBo bios rest to defaults when it crashes? (I mean when you have to power off by the switch, if ever?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 01:46, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Got an odd problem here - only since I've been using v9.1 of Mandrake (download edition). Every so often - and I'm talking like every 5-10-15 mins or so, X crashes back to the shell. Always the same message, caught signal 11, fatal server error. Sometimes it crashes sitting still, no games running, no screensaver, just sitting there - boom - back to the shell. I checked the Xfree logs, it just says the same thing. Have you check the system logs to see what's also happening at the same time you're crashing? And, BTW, have you double checked your lib path settings in the /etc/ld.so.conf and the likes? Have you rerun ldconfig? Have you run updatedb? What services are running that might not be necessary? What proggies are starting up when you fire up KDE? -- Mon Jun 9 09:05:00 EST 2003 09:05:00 up 1 day, 18:56, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.10, 0.08 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * I put up my thumb... and it blotted out the planet Earth. -- Neil Armstrong Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Sunday 08 June 2003 06:49 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: Try disabling DPMS? Thats what i'd do first off... - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Hmm, I can try that. Have you had trouble with it before? -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Sunday 08 June 2003 07:03 pm, ed tharp wrote: and what are we doing about acpi, apm, apic, both in BIOS and software, and what is the AGP settings? also, does this MoBo bios rest to defaults when it crashes? (I mean when you have to power off by the switch, if ever?) Acpi and apic are turned off in lilo.conf, and apm is turned off under services. Don't remember BIOS settings for the first 2, but apm is turned off for all events in BIOS except to kick the monitor off after so long. The AGP settings in BIOS are all turned off by default except for post-write (IIRC). Its a Soyo Dragon Plus MB, I don't think it does reset. Anyways, the crash is not hard, just back to the shell. startx takes you right back to KDE. Thanks! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
On Sunday 08 June 2003 07:09 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Have you check the system logs to see what's also happening at the same time you're crashing? And, BTW, have you double checked your lib path settings in the /etc/ld.so.conf and the likes? Have you rerun ldconfig? Have you run updatedb? What services are running that might not be necessary? What proggies are starting up when you fire up KDE? Checked /var/log/messages and .xsession-errors. Nothing obvious. Ran ldconfig once after installing the Nvidia drivers. Ran updatedb after first installing v9.1. I've been thru services, AFAICT, non-essentials are turned off. I've not set any proggies grin to auto start with KDE. Here is my ld.so.conf file: /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/qt3/lib -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
At 12:37 AM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Sunday 08 June 2003 06:49 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: Try disabling DPMS? Thats what i'd do first off... - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Hmm, I can try that. Have you had trouble with it before? -- /\ Dark Lord not me personally but i know of people who have... its worth trying. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
Bill: Is it feasible to add some more RAM? You are right at the minimum for an X system -- another 32 mb would make a big difference. Is there lots of HD activity whenever you start an application? You should also start with minimum screen resolution, and work up from there. Regards, cmg Bill Clark wrote: I just installed Mandrake 7.2 and am having problems using X. When I start X everything seems to go fine till I start an application. Then the system will freeze up. It will freeze right away if I start DrakConf (a couple times it didn't freeze right away but did after I clicked on the 'change resolution' icon. In other applications it takes a little longer for it to freeze up. Usually if I use a scroll bar it will freeze. My system is: AMD K5 166 ATI Graphics Pro Turbo (2 megs) 32 megs RAM 66 megs swap 2.1 gig HD Thanks Bill C
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
Sent from OE to see if HTML is a problem - Original Message - From: Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] X crashing problem Bill: Is it feasible to add some more RAM? You are right at the minimum for an X system -- another 32 mb would make a big difference. Is there lots of HD activity whenever you start an application? You should also start with minimum screen resolution, and work up from there. Regards, cmg Bill Clark wrote: I just installed Mandrake 7.2 and am having problems using X. When I start X everything seems to go fine till I start an application. Then the system will freeze up. It will freeze right away if I start DrakConf (a couple times it didn't freeze right away but did after I clicked on the 'change resolution' icon. In other applications it takes a little longer for it to freeze up. Usually if I use a scroll bar it will freeze. My system is: AMD K5 166 ATI Graphics Pro Turbo (2 megs) 32 megs RAM 66 megs swap 2.1 gig HD Thanks Bill C
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
Sorry about this posting - I was concerned that I might be guilty of the deadly HTML sin, so I decided to send this to myself while I was in OE; I didn't mean to send it to the list. cmg Carroll Grigsby wrote: Sent from OE to see if HTML is a problem
Re: [newbie] X crashing problem
RAM will be the next thing. I changed graphics cards to a Cirrus Logic GD5429 with 1 meg memory. I can start X and use DrakConf without it freezing now. Except the display is all screwed up. The screen shows up on only the lower half of my monitor and the icons are really big. I tried changing settings in XF86Config-4 for screen resolution but that didn't help. I'm reinstalling Linux with the different card now. So, I'll see if that fixes it. Thanks --Bill At 10:58 AM 2/17/2001 -0500, you wrote: Is it feasible to add some more RAM? You are right at the minimum for an X system -- another 32 mb would make a big difference. Is there lots of HD activity whenever you start an application? You should also start with minimum screen resolution, and work up from there. Regards, cmg
