[newbie] office suites
Hi guys I was wonderingwell I'm using Linux Mandrake 8.1 on my laptop machine with a celeron 766 and 128 megs of RAM...and I'm using KDE at the moment.I'm pretty happy with it but I still didn't find a really satisfying office suite.Star Office takes about 20 minutes to load...the version 5.2 has the stupid desktop-like thingytotally useless..the version 6 seemed a bit better but still very slow...especially when it boots in the beginning...openoffice is the same stuff...but with worse fonts ..koffice is too "beta"..half of the stuff doesn't work as it should and the filters are not that good at alli tried even the hancom office suite demobut I'd rather don't give any comment about it...i could swear.is there any really good and fast office suite out theree?? with good filters and all the rest?? what happened to corel wordperfect??is it still downloadabe anywhere??is the last one I didn't try yet...but I cannot find it anywhereis it any good'??? CHeers everyone and thanks in advance Maurizio __ Abbonati a Tiscali! Con Tiscali By Phone puoi anche ascoltare ed inviare email al telefono. Chiama Tiscali By Phone all' 892 800http://byphone.tiscali.it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I use SO for my personal stuff and I use the html editor. I believe it is good enough as is for general home use, and probably for most general business use. My wife does occasionally have a problem with documents going between SO and M$ Office 97. SO always opens them fine, but sometimes the saved version from SO will not open in M$Office. So far that hasn't caused any big problems, since we have pc's with both OS's running, though Linux is our primary OS. Winblows is primarily kept for network gaming for the kids. chip On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, you wrote: > "PSM 0x2710]" wrote: > > > > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > > I admire the effort put into StarOffice but I feel it is still quite > kludgy. At the same time, we must not forget that pgms like M$Office, > WP, etc have gone thru' millenniums of evolution compared to > StarOffice. It's biggest selling point (I know it's free) is perhaps > its 'ability' to translate M$Office documents. That's what I use it for > mostly, although it has a habit of screwing up even your simplest > formatting of Excel and Powerpoint. > Speaking of which, what is the difference (read, fixes and improvement) > of Sun's 5.1a over 5.1? > > -- > Ronald Yeo > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, you wrote: > Hi Matt, > Check out greed - its quite a useful program > http://www.public.asu.edu/~arturner/greed/ is the url and I think its on > freshmeat as well ... > Zak > > In response to the long downloads, which Linux download manager does > > everyone recommend? (Go!Zilla for Windows is a great program. Is there a > > Linux application with similar features?) > > Matt Heck, I'll jump in. I was pleasantly surprised to find 'gftp' that comes with Mandrake. If you like BulletProofFTP for Windows, Gftp is very similar. Look under 'Gnome' (Inet) apps on your 'K' start menu. -- .. Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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Hi Matt, Check out greed - its quite a useful program http://www.public.asu.edu/~arturner/greed/ is the url and I think its on freshmeat as well ... Zak - Original Message - From: M Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:23 AM Subject: (OT) Re: [newbie] Office Suites > In response to the long downloads, which Linux download manager does > everyone recommend? (Go!Zilla for Windows is a great program. Is there a > Linux application with similar features?) > > Thanks, > Matt > > >6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 hours > >that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! hehehe...alot > >of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
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Yup! My cable company has done the upgrade. The TV looks great, and that's why they promise the 512kbps connection. They sell me a NIC card for about $150.00, including the install and setup, then $40.00 / month for the access fee. I guess that's not too bad. The reason I'm holding off is to be sure that they have all the little gremlins out of their system so I don't get bit. Also, I want to upgrade my 'puter - it's a 486 style AMD X5-133 5x86 on a 486a VIP mainboard. I think it's one of those boards we keep getting told will give us problems (from Korea or some such place), but it was all I could afford when I put this thing together. I was luckey though, It has worked great for me. The only problem I have is that all the Mandrake updates are "for a diferent architecture" (hope I spelled that right). I think that's because they're built for pentium systems or later, and this one definitely ain't one 'o those. Ernie Jesse Royall wrote: > > Ernie.. watch out and make sure with those cable modems. Of course this > is only what I have herd from my cable company and we are out in the > middle of nowhere. On my end they only have the recieve setup - which > means I am paying 4x for internet access just for the speed. Untill they > upgrade the coax to the House. next the FCC has not issued a standard for > cable modems... so what you buy now might not work when they issue a > standard. So, I would have to rent a box till i can get my own...With > AT&T (I mean TCI Cable (I mean)) around here I hear they have good > service. and I know someone in CA that loves it.. not only does he get > digital cable but he has a perm. internet connection. So, wait till they > get the bugs worked out and can actually provide a sevice. down here it > will be awhile becuase all they offer is 115k bandwidth for individuals > and 256k for businesses... like that will work. > Jess > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:21:03 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I can't afford that either (T1), I just heard that the cost was > > dropping, and added it in with the other ideas presented. I will most > > likely go with my local cable provider sometime in the next year. > > They charge $40.00 per month for unlimited service, and guarentee 512 > > K per second. I'll have to look more closely befoer I make the move, > > but on the surface, it doesn't look too bad from here. They have > > just changed to digital from coaxial cable region wide, so I'll wait > > a while to let them iron the out wrinkles. I'm a city dweller, so my > > options are fairly broad. Like I said, I got some researching to do > > before I make any changes. Maybe you have a cable provider in your > > area who provides internet access? Could be worth the look. > > > > Ernie > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Joseph S. Gardner wrote: > > > "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." wrote: > > > > > > > That'l make it tough to get the stuff you want, no matter which > > way > > > > you go. Maybe you should talk to your local phone co. and see > > what the > > > > damage would be to go with either an ADSL, or a T1 line (I think > > > > that's the right term). ADSL might be a bit iffy since it is not > > > > available everywhere, but maybe the T1 line might be an option. > > > > You could get better bandwidth than with your 33.6 modem (I > > think you > > > > would have to replace the modem), and the line noise issue would > > be > > > > greatly diminished if not eliminated all together. The down side > > will > > > > be that the cost will undoubtedly be higher, and likely > > considerably > > > > so. But it can't hurt to check. There may also be connection > > options > > > > that I know nothing about since I have only used a modem. Maybe > > > > someone else can pass along some suggestions as to what you might > > > > consider as viable alternatives to a niosy phone line. > > > > > > > > Ernie > > > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > > > > > Ernest: > > > > > the problem here is I am 90 miles from any place that would > > even resemble > > > > > a book store or even a computer place. we do have a radio > > shack but they > > > > > just carry DSS and Cell phones. so I had no choice... but the > > thing is I > > > > > used Go!Zilla which allowed me to stop the download in mid > > stream and > > > > > continue on later. so most of the time I setup Go!Zilla to > > start > > > > > downloading from 11:00p till 7:00a and it took about 2 weeks > > to get the > > > > > whole thing.. During the day its a pain also, becuase the > > lines and ISP > > > > > gets congested and I have alot of line noise and can't get the > > full 33.6 > > > > > transfer during the day. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:07:40 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > You got that right! Neither of those suites I mentioned is > > as large as > > > > > > a CD. I'd believe the 183 Hrs., that'd be a lot to get in > > one bite, > > > > > > for s
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I can't afford that either (T1), I just heard that the cost was dropping, and added it in with the other ideas presented. I will most likely go with my local cable provider sometime in the next year. They charge $40.00 per month for unlimited service, and guarentee 512 K per second. I'll have to look more closely befoer I make the move, but on the surface, it doesn't look too bad from here. They have just changed to digital from coaxial cable region wide, so I'll wait a while to let them iron the out wrinkles. I'm a city dweller, so my options are fairly broad. Like I said, I got some researching to do before I make any changes. Maybe you have a cable provider in your area who provides internet access? Could be worth the look. Ernie On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Joseph S. Gardner wrote: > "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." wrote: > > > That'l make it tough to get the stuff you want, no matter which way > > you go. Maybe you should talk to your local phone co. and see what the > > damage would be to go with either an ADSL, or a T1 line (I think > > that's the right term). ADSL might be a bit iffy since it is not > > available everywhere, but maybe the T1 line might be an option. > > You could get better bandwidth than with your 33.6 modem (I think you > > would have to replace the modem), and the line noise issue would be > > greatly diminished if not eliminated all together. The down side will > > be that the cost will undoubtedly be higher, and likely considerably > > so. But it can't hurt to check. There may also be connection options > > that I know nothing about since I have only used a modem. Maybe > > someone else can pass along some suggestions as to what you might > > consider as viable alternatives to a niosy phone line. > > > > Ernie > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > > > Ernest: > > > the problem here is I am 90 miles from any place that would even resemble > > > a book store or even a computer place. we do have a radio shack but they > > > just carry DSS and Cell phones. so I had no choice... but the thing is I > > > used Go!Zilla which allowed me to stop the download in mid stream and > > > continue on later. so most of the time I setup Go!Zilla to start > > > downloading from 11:00p till 7:00a and it took about 2 weeks to get the > > > whole thing.. During the day its a pain also, becuase the lines and ISP > > > gets congested and I have alot of line noise and can't get the full 33.6 > > > transfer during the day. > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:07:40 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > You got that right! Neither of those suites I mentioned is as large as > > > > a CD. I'd believe the 183 Hrs., that'd be a lot to get in one bite, > > > > for sure. That's why I usually try to get my distro's on the CD from > > > > my local software store. I just picked up the Linux-Mandrake 6.1 > > > > (the Macmillan release [6.5??]) for $35.00 US from BestBuy. That's > > > > more than I would have to pay from Mandrakesoft, but I don't have to > > > > hold my breath waiting for the CD to be delivered, and I don't have > > > > to tie up my phone line for all those hours (I have only one line > > > > here, and it is shared with the household telephone). I will likely > > > > be trying to get it installed tomorrow or the next day, if work > > > > permitts. It'll be interesting to see if I have any of the troubles > > > > the other guys have had getting it to work properly. The one thing I > > > > would like to have happen, would be for Linux-Mandrake (the official > > > > release) to be available at one of my local software stores. Maybe > > > > for the next release, I'll get my front side ahead of my backside, > > > > and > > > > look on the Mandrake site for a vendor in my area. It'd be just my > > > > luck that it's allready here, and I just don't know about it. > > > > > > > > Ernie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > > > > > Ernest.. > > > > > > > > > > 6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 > > > > hours > > > > > that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! > > > > hehehe...alot > > > > > of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:32:16 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > I like it. It does the job. It is big though, and the decision on > > > > > > installing it depends on what your needs are. If you just want a > > > > word > > > > > > processor, StarOffice is overkill, but if you need a complete > > > > office > > > > > > suite, designed to compete with the one from Redmond, then this > > > > baby > > > > > > is for you. It has everything you could need. Just search > > > > > > "StarOffice" in your web browser to locate the website. From > > > > there > > > > > > you can check out the features, system requirements and even > > > > > > do a download or order the CD if you want to. Note that the
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"Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." wrote: > That'l make it tough to get the stuff you want, no matter which way > you go. Maybe you should talk to your local phone co. and see what the > damage would be to go with either an ADSL, or a T1 line (I think > that's the right term). ADSL might be a bit iffy since it is not > available everywhere, but maybe the T1 line might be an option. > You could get better bandwidth than with your 33.6 modem (I think you > would have to replace the modem), and the line noise issue would be > greatly diminished if not eliminated all together. The down side will > be that the cost will undoubtedly be higher, and likely considerably > so. But it can't hurt to check. There may also be connection options > that I know nothing about since I have only used a modem. Maybe > someone else can pass along some suggestions as to what you might > consider as viable alternatives to a niosy phone line. > > Ernie > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > > Ernest: > > the problem here is I am 90 miles from any place that would even resemble > > a book store or even a computer place. we do have a radio shack but they > > just carry DSS and Cell phones. so I had no choice... but the thing is I > > used Go!Zilla which allowed me to stop the download in mid stream and > > continue on later. so most of the time I setup Go!Zilla to start > > downloading from 11:00p till 7:00a and it took about 2 weeks to get the > > whole thing.. During the day its a pain also, becuase the lines and ISP > > gets congested and I have alot of line noise and can't get the full 33.6 > > transfer during the day. > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:07:40 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > You got that right! Neither of those suites I mentioned is as large as > > > a CD. I'd believe the 183 Hrs., that'd be a lot to get in one bite, > > > for sure. That's why I usually try to get my distro's on the CD from > > > my local software store. I just picked up the Linux-Mandrake 6.1 > > > (the Macmillan release [6.5??]) for $35.00 US from BestBuy. That's > > > more than I would have to pay from Mandrakesoft, but I don't have to > > > hold my breath waiting for the CD to be delivered, and I don't have > > > to tie up my phone line for all those hours (I have only one line > > > here, and it is shared with the household telephone). I will likely > > > be trying to get it installed tomorrow or the next day, if work > > > permitts. It'll be interesting to see if I have any of the troubles > > > the other guys have had getting it to work properly. The one thing I > > > would like to have happen, would be for Linux-Mandrake (the official > > > release) to be available at one of my local software stores. Maybe > > > for the next release, I'll get my front side ahead of my backside, > > > and > > > look on the Mandrake site for a vendor in my area. It'd be just my > > > luck that it's allready here, and I just don't know about it. > > > > > > Ernie > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > > > > Ernest.. > > > > > > > > 6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 > > > hours > > > > that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! > > > hehehe...alot > > > > of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:32:16 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I like it. It does the job. It is big though, and the decision on > > > > > installing it depends on what your needs are. If you just want a > > > word > > > > > processor, StarOffice is overkill, but if you need a complete > > > office > > > > > suite, designed to compete with the one from Redmond, then this > > > baby > > > > > is for you. It has everything you could need. Just search > > > > > "StarOffice" in your web browser to locate the website. From > > > there > > > > > you can check out the features, system requirements and even > > > > > do a download or order the CD if you want to. Note that the > > > download > > > > > is big!! Some 67Meg.!! So unless you have a cable connection, or > > > an > > > > > ADSL connection, or other fast hookup, be ready to spend maybe 6 > > > Hrs. > > > > > on the download (with a 56K modem). On the other hand, if the > > > above > > > > > is overkill for your needs, you may want to try WordPerfect 8 for > > > > > Linux. This is a fine word processor, and has many bells and > > > > > whistles. Personally, I used to use the 5.1 version for DOS way > > > back > > > > > when, and I liked it a lot (showing my age here). It is not > > > nearly as > > > > > big a download as StarOffice, and will provide you with most of > > > what > > > > > you will need for home use. The only real drawback is that if you > > > > > want to use it for commercial purposes, you will have to buy the > > > > > retail version. So, if you need something for home or school use, > > > > > WordPerfect 8 is a good choice. If your
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That'l make it tough to get the stuff you want, no matter which way you go. Maybe you should talk to your local phone co. and see what the damage would be to go with either an ADSL, or a T1 line (I think that's the right term). ADSL might be a bit iffy since it is not available everywhere, but maybe the T1 line might be an option. You could get better bandwidth than with your 33.6 modem (I think you would have to replace the modem), and the line noise issue would be greatly diminished if not eliminated all together. The down side will be that the cost will undoubtedly be higher, and likely considerably so. But it can't hurt to check. There may also be connection options that I know nothing about since I have only used a modem. Maybe someone else can pass along some suggestions as to what you might consider as viable alternatives to a niosy phone line. Ernie On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > Ernest: > the problem here is I am 90 miles from any place that would even resemble > a book store or even a computer place. we do have a radio shack but they > just carry DSS and Cell phones. so I had no choice... but the thing is I > used Go!Zilla which allowed me to stop the download in mid stream and > continue on later. so most of the time I setup Go!Zilla to start > downloading from 11:00p till 7:00a and it took about 2 weeks to get the > whole thing.. During the day its a pain also, becuase the lines and ISP > gets congested and I have alot of line noise and can't get the full 33.6 > transfer during the day. > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:07:40 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You got that right! Neither of those suites I mentioned is as large as > > a CD. I'd believe the 183 Hrs., that'd be a lot to get in one bite, > > for sure. That's why I usually try to get my distro's on the CD from > > my local software store. I just picked up the Linux-Mandrake 6.1 > > (the Macmillan release [6.5??]) for $35.00 US from BestBuy. That's > > more than I would have to pay from Mandrakesoft, but I don't have to > > hold my breath waiting for the CD to be delivered, and I don't have > > to tie up my phone line for all those hours (I have only one line > > here, and it is shared with the household telephone). I will likely > > be trying to get it installed tomorrow or the next day, if work > > permitts. It'll be interesting to see if I have any of the troubles > > the other guys have had getting it to work properly. The one thing I > > would like to have happen, would be for Linux-Mandrake (the official > > release) to be available at one of my local software stores. Maybe > > for the next release, I'll get my front side ahead of my backside, > > and > > look on the Mandrake site for a vendor in my area. It'd be just my > > luck that it's allready here, and I just don't know about it. > > > > Ernie > > > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > > > Ernest.. > > > > > > 6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 > > hours > > > that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! > > hehehe...alot > > > of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:32:16 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I like it. It does the job. It is big though, and the decision on > > > > installing it depends on what your needs are. If you just want a > > word > > > > processor, StarOffice is overkill, but if you need a complete > > office > > > > suite, designed to compete with the one from Redmond, then this > > baby > > > > is for you. It has everything you could need. Just search > > > > "StarOffice" in your web browser to locate the website. From > > there > > > > you can check out the features, system requirements and even > > > > do a download or order the CD if you want to. Note that the > > download > > > > is big!! Some 67Meg.!! So unless you have a cable connection, or > > an > > > > ADSL connection, or other fast hookup, be ready to spend maybe 6 > > Hrs. > > > > on the download (with a 56K modem). On the other hand, if the > > above > > > > is overkill for your needs, you may want to try WordPerfect 8 for > > > > Linux. This is a fine word processor, and has many bells and > > > > whistles. Personally, I used to use the 5.1 version for DOS way > > back > > > > when, and I liked it a lot (showing my age here). It is not > > nearly as > > > > big a download as StarOffice, and will provide you with most of > > what > > > > you will need for home use. The only real drawback is that if you > > > > want to use it for commercial purposes, you will have to buy the > > > > retail version. So, if you need something for home or school use, > > > > WordPerfect 8 is a good choice. If your need is for business > > > > purposes, then I personally would recomend the StarOffice suit, > > both > > > > for it's completeness, and the fact that it is free for both > > personal > > > >
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- Original Message - From: M Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 3:23 PM Subject: (OT) Re: [newbie] Office Suites > In response to the long downloads, which Linux download manager does > everyone recommend? (Go!Zilla for Windows is a great program. Is there a > Linux application with similar features?) > > Thanks, > Matt > > >6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 hours > >that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! hehehe...alot > >of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com caitoo Only looked at it briefly, don't use it, though. I believe there are other(s)? Tom
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caitoo - Original Message - From: M Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 3:23 PM Subject: (OT) Re: [newbie] Office Suites > In response to the long downloads, which Linux download manager does > everyone recommend? (Go!Zilla for Windows is a great program. Is there a > Linux application with similar features?) > > Thanks, > Matt > > >6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 hours > >that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! hehehe...alot > >of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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wget on your system now, with some mighty nice frontends available from linuxberg or freshmeat but the BEST I have found http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/ Documentation is about 1 line long, and it is all you need. Civileme M Thompson wrote: > In response to the long downloads, which Linux download manager does > everyone recommend? (Go!Zilla for Windows is a great program. Is there a > Linux application with similar features?) > > Thanks, > Matt > > >6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 hours > >that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! hehehe...alot > >of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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In response to the long downloads, which Linux download manager does everyone recommend? (Go!Zilla for Windows is a great program. Is there a Linux application with similar features?) Thanks, Matt >6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 hours >that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! hehehe...alot >of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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I guess I am lucky here Micro-center had the Official Mandrake Power Pack as well as the Macmillan clone. Jeanette On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: > You got that right! Neither of those suites I mentioned is as large as > a CD. I'd believe the 183 Hrs., that'd be a lot to get in one bite, > for sure. That's why I usually try to get my distro's on the CD from > my local software store. I just picked up the Linux-Mandrake 6.1 > (the Macmillan release [6.5??]) for $35.00 US from BestBuy. That's > more than I would have to pay from Mandrakesoft, but I don't have to > hold my breath waiting for the CD to be delivered, and I don't have > to tie up my phone line for all those hours (I have only one line > here, and it is shared with the household telephone). I will likely > be trying to get it installed tomorrow or the next day, if work > permitts. It'll be interesting to see if I have any of the troubles > the other guys have had getting it to work properly. The one thing I > would like to have happen, would be for Linux-Mandrake (the official > release) to be available at one of my local software stores. Maybe > for the next release, I'll get my front side ahead of my backside, and > look on the Mandrake site for a vendor in my area. It'd be just my > luck that it's allready here, and I just don't know about it. > > Ernie > >
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On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, you wrote: > Well well well, when I need to hire someone to open a can of worms, I know where to > look. > > As with all things, it depends on what you want to use it for. > > My point of view? > > As a system administrator migrating people from Windows and ClarisWorks and > Microsoft Office, I GOTTA HAVE IT. And I hope we see 5.2 with Office 2000 filters > REALLY SOON or we may need to brand Sun Microsystems dumber than they look. > StarOffice won't even do the job of poisoning Office sales if it does not achieve > parity with files quickly. > Word Perfect supposedly imports and exports Word 97 *.doc files. *shrug* John
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On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, you wrote: > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > Word Perfect office suite is coming out in Feb. John
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You got that right! Neither of those suites I mentioned is as large as a CD. I'd believe the 183 Hrs., that'd be a lot to get in one bite, for sure. That's why I usually try to get my distro's on the CD from my local software store. I just picked up the Linux-Mandrake 6.1 (the Macmillan release [6.5??]) for $35.00 US from BestBuy. That's more than I would have to pay from Mandrakesoft, but I don't have to hold my breath waiting for the CD to be delivered, and I don't have to tie up my phone line for all those hours (I have only one line here, and it is shared with the household telephone). I will likely be trying to get it installed tomorrow or the next day, if work permitts. It'll be interesting to see if I have any of the troubles the other guys have had getting it to work properly. The one thing I would like to have happen, would be for Linux-Mandrake (the official release) to be available at one of my local software stores. Maybe for the next release, I'll get my front side ahead of my backside, and look on the Mandrake site for a vendor in my area. It'd be just my luck that it's allready here, and I just don't know about it. Ernie On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Jesse Royall wrote: > Ernest.. > > 6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 hours > that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! hehehe...alot > of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:32:16 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I like it. It does the job. It is big though, and the decision on > > installing it depends on what your needs are. If you just want a word > > processor, StarOffice is overkill, but if you need a complete office > > suite, designed to compete with the one from Redmond, then this baby > > is for you. It has everything you could need. Just search > > "StarOffice" in your web browser to locate the website. From there > > you can check out the features, system requirements and even > > do a download or order the CD if you want to. Note that the download > > is big!! Some 67Meg.!! So unless you have a cable connection, or an > > ADSL connection, or other fast hookup, be ready to spend maybe 6 Hrs. > > on the download (with a 56K modem). On the other hand, if the above > > is overkill for your needs, you may want to try WordPerfect 8 for > > Linux. This is a fine word processor, and has many bells and > > whistles. Personally, I used to use the 5.1 version for DOS way back > > when, and I liked it a lot (showing my age here). It is not nearly as > > big a download as StarOffice, and will provide you with most of what > > you will need for home use. The only real drawback is that if you > > want to use it for commercial purposes, you will have to buy the > > retail version. So, if you need something for home or school use, > > WordPerfect 8 is a good choice. If your need is for business > > purposes, then I personally would recomend the StarOffice suit, both > > for it's completeness, and the fact that it is free for both personal > > use and commercial use. Please note that the above are my personal > > opinions, and I am not an authority on the subject, as I am only > > mildly familiar with either one. I am still learning to use both of > > them (WordPerfect 8 is easier for me because of my familiarity with > > v5.1). I do hope that this is of some small assistance, > > > > Ernie > > > > > ___ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
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Ernest.. 6 hours download time is a walk in the park for 56k... try 183 hours that is what it took to download the .iso file for linux! hehehe...alot of line noise on my end didn't help matters either! On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:32:16 -0400 "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I like it. It does the job. It is big though, and the decision on > installing it depends on what your needs are. If you just want a word > processor, StarOffice is overkill, but if you need a complete office > suite, designed to compete with the one from Redmond, then this baby > is for you. It has everything you could need. Just search > "StarOffice" in your web browser to locate the website. From there > you can check out the features, system requirements and even > do a download or order the CD if you want to. Note that the download > is big!! Some 67Meg.!! So unless you have a cable connection, or an > ADSL connection, or other fast hookup, be ready to spend maybe 6 Hrs. > on the download (with a 56K modem). On the other hand, if the above > is overkill for your needs, you may want to try WordPerfect 8 for > Linux. This is a fine word processor, and has many bells and > whistles. Personally, I used to use the 5.1 version for DOS way back > when, and I liked it a lot (showing my age here). It is not nearly as > big a download as StarOffice, and will provide you with most of what > you will need for home use. The only real drawback is that if you > want to use it for commercial purposes, you will have to buy the > retail version. So, if you need something for home or school use, > WordPerfect 8 is a good choice. If your need is for business > purposes, then I personally would recomend the StarOffice suit, both > for it's completeness, and the fact that it is free for both personal > use and commercial use. Please note that the above are my personal > opinions, and I am not an authority on the subject, as I am only > mildly familiar with either one. I am still learning to use both of > them (WordPerfect 8 is easier for me because of my familiarity with > v5.1). I do hope that this is of some small assistance, > > Ernie > > ___ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
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"PSM 0x2710]" wrote: > > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > > -- > > Seth Gibson > www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 > members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) > To paraphrase my friend stephen: > "life can be like ifs. . .random garbare goes in and beautiful things come > out." I think that StarOffice5.1 is a great program. You can save files as word97 file or a starOffice file. The only problem that I have with starOffice is the amount of memory that it can take up. It is all around great. It also comes with a version of Excel and PowerPoint that you can open and save files as the word versions. The best part of all of this is StarOffice is free. I use it instead of that damn office2000. I have a copy 2000 it and I will not install it because of StarOffice. Sean
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I like it. It does the job. It is big though, and the decision on installing it depends on what your needs are. If you just want a word processor, StarOffice is overkill, but if you need a complete office suite, designed to compete with the one from Redmond, then this baby is for you. It has everything you could need. Just search "StarOffice" in your web browser to locate the website. From there you can check out the features, system requirements and even do a download or order the CD if you want to. Note that the download is big!! Some 67Meg.!! So unless you have a cable connection, or an ADSL connection, or other fast hookup, be ready to spend maybe 6 Hrs. on the download (with a 56K modem). On the other hand, if the above is overkill for your needs, you may want to try WordPerfect 8 for Linux. This is a fine word processor, and has many bells and whistles. Personally, I used to use the 5.1 version for DOS way back when, and I liked it a lot (showing my age here). It is not nearly as big a download as StarOffice, and will provide you with most of what you will need for home use. The only real drawback is that if you want to use it for commercial purposes, you will have to buy the retail version. So, if you need something for home or school use, WordPerfect 8 is a good choice. If your need is for business purposes, then I personally would recomend the StarOffice suit, both for it's completeness, and the fact that it is free for both personal use and commercial use. Please note that the above are my personal opinions, and I am not an authority on the subject, as I am only mildly familiar with either one. I am still learning to use both of them (WordPerfect 8 is easier for me because of my familiarity with v5.1). I do hope that this is of some small assistance, Ernie On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, PSM 0x2710] wrote: > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > > -- > > Seth Gibson > www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 > members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) > To paraphrase my friend stephen: > "life can be like ifs. . .random garbare goes in and beautiful things come > out."
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"PSM 0x2710]" wrote: > > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! I admire the effort put into StarOffice but I feel it is still quite kludgy. At the same time, we must not forget that pgms like M$Office, WP, etc have gone thru' millenniums of evolution compared to StarOffice. It's biggest selling point (I know it's free) is perhaps its 'ability' to translate M$Office documents. That's what I use it for mostly, although it has a habit of screwing up even your simplest formatting of Excel and Powerpoint. Speaking of which, what is the difference (read, fixes and improvement) of Sun's 5.1a over 5.1? -- Ronald Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well well well, when I need to hire someone to open a can of worms, I know where to > look. > > As with all things, it depends on what you want to use it for. > > My point of view? > > As a system administrator migrating people from Windows and ClarisWorks and > Microsoft Office, I GOTTA HAVE IT. And I hope we see 5.2 with Office 2000 filters > REALLY SOON or we may need to brand Sun Microsystems dumber than they look. > StarOffice won't even do the job of poisoning Office sales if it does not achieve > parity with files quickly. > (read the original, it's worth it!) No flame here; just my thanks for sharing your insights with us! I haven't tried most of these, but I have tried and used SO, Maxwell, and Applixware, and your comments seemed most appropriate to this newbie. Thanks, Mike Scottaline Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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"PSM 0x2710]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > === Almost a year ago I downloaded the Win version of SO 5.0, knowing I'd soon be trying linux. I now run 5.0 on my linux box and find it paticularly useful when dealing with others from the M$ worl using office. Student e-mail eassys to me as Word attachments. From my linux box, I open the essay in SO, make my comments in red, save as Word 97 doc, e-mail back as attachment. No problemo. I find PowerPoint easier to use than SO presentation program, but other than that, I find SO equally competent. Keep in mind it is a hog, so have plenty of RAM or it'll really drag (I use 96 meg). HTH, Mike ++ Michael Scottaline COL 2.2 Linux 2.2.5 * * * * * * * * * * * It's a fresh wind that Blows Against the Empire Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, PSM 0x2710] wrote: > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > > -- > > Seth Gibson > www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 > members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) > To paraphrase my friend stephen: > "life can be like ifs. . .random garbare goes in and beautiful things come > out." IMHO Start Office is great esp. the new version from Sun 5.1a. The problem I have with it is the PostScript printing. I can get decent output from Word Perfect but most of these home printers don't seem to work well with Star Office. But the programs themselves are good but a bit slow. They also need a lot of memory. Maybe the KOffice suite and Corel Suite may be better when they come out but for now Star Office is good. Jeanettte
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Well well well, when I need to hire someone to open a can of worms, I know where to look. As with all things, it depends on what you want to use it for. My point of view? As a system administrator migrating people from Windows and ClarisWorks and Microsoft Office, I GOTTA HAVE IT. And I hope we see 5.2 with Office 2000 filters REALLY SOON or we may need to brand Sun Microsystems dumber than they look. StarOffice won't even do the job of poisoning Office sales if it does not achieve parity with files quickly. Yeah, I know, Microsoft added some trivial and unnecessary features threw in at least as many new bugs as fixes and is selling an upgrade everybody is buying. But I have to have file translation capability. And there is no StarOffice equivalent of Microsoft Publisher. A rinky-dink package with a new skin and a crippled version of Word dressed up with clip art and it seems to be inordinately popular. When I show people how StarWriter can do the same job, it falls mostly on deaf ears. OK what about Applix? At least as good as StarOffice, with a much better manual. But the filters stink. If it were just a matter of using something, I'd choose it quickly. Siag Office? Now don't laugh! Pathetic Writer is every bit as good as AbiWord and a whole lot better at handling memory than Maxwell. And it is available in i586 type binaries. I like it. Scheme in a Grid is as good as any other spreadsheet. Filtering (the art of reading alien files) could be improved, but overall it is surprisingly good. KOffice? I haven't seen the plans for filtering. But toss Adobe Pagemaker in favor of Kword and KLyX. The specialties and embeds are there. This will be THE Killer app of office suites if ever they get it done. Mandrakesoft is helping see that happen, BTW. Try a snapshot if you like, but figure a good 6 to 8 hours compile time and don't use a MediaGX processor to do it, for it will terminate on a compiler error for some undiscovered buggy reason associated with the MediaGX. Andrew??? Well, I can't sell this one to anyone, but it does as well in 20Mb as StarOffice does in 70. Unfortunately the missing item is in the "kiss-of-death" category. Whoever heard of an OfficeSuite that could check syntax in programs? And where you could define your own classes? Some would say it is an OO Programming language masquerading as a suite. Others would say it is an Office Suite with an interface only a programmer would enjoy. As a Python addict, I find it fairly easy to use and VERY powerful, but I have to know StarOffice for my users; so I don't get to use it much. If you want to do great things and have a lot of time to learn, here you go. If you cannot use it enough to keep your skills current, don't use it. Abisuite? I saw it on the distribution disk for 6.1 but haven't used it. Check it out. It might be everything you need. So General purpose-- HTML, WP, Spreadsheet, Image, etc.--Applix or StarOffice WP (Short to medium documents) WordPerfect WP (Quick n Dirty) AbiWord, Pathetic Writer, Maxwell Special Purpose-- WP (Publishing and longer documents) KLyX or Emacs/TeX Pizazz/Panache-- KOffice Crude Power-- Andrew Imagery-- GIMP Now I would like to go on discussing all of these for a long time, but I have to duck the flames from those whose favorites didn't get a rave review. In the final analysis, a lot of it is taste, and "De Gustibus non est Disputandem" as they say. Civileme "PSM 0x2710]" wrote: > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > > -- > > Seth Gibson > www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 > members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) > To paraphrase my friend stephen: > "life can be like ifs. . .random garbare goes in and beautiful things come > out."
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It works fine for me. El vie, 15 oct 1999, escribiste: > So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it > seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! > > -- > > Seth Gibson > www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 > members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) > To paraphrase my friend stephen: > "life can be like ifs. . .random garbare goes in and beautiful things come > out."
