Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
I'm using VMWARE. You can boot an OS as a Virtual Machine from Linux using this product. Download a trial copy at http://www.vmware.com/. Hope this helps. Regards, Tim McCluskey Amdahl Corporation "Jason R. Lucier" wrote: Try a program you can find it at www.vmware.com - Original Message - From: "Rich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: [newbie] running windows in linux Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman -- h begin:vcard n:McCluskey;Timothy tel;home:510-841-0140 tel;work:650-528-7715 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fn:Tim McCluskey end:vcard
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
You could also give VNC a try. It is a program that lets you run an X desktop using the windowmanager of your choice from a Windows or Mac, and a Windows desktop from your X Workstation. The client is very fast, and even comes as a java applet you can run in a browser. What it does is it connects to a running vnc server on another machine on your net, similar exporting an X display over telnet. The neat part is that the connection is 'stateless' so you can open a display on one machine, close it, open it on another machine, and your workspace is preserved. It is exactly as you left it. Check out http://uk.research.att.com/vnc for the details. I believe there are add on modules to facilitate the use of SSL or SSH for more secure connections. Monte Rich wrote: Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
rich - hi i have one way modem service as well. i dial in using the phone an old ISA modem. the downstream signal comes through the cable and the cable modem. i have it running absolutely fine in linux. remember, anything windows can do, linux can do even better. it just may be a little harder to implement. if you would like some help getting one way cable to work, let me know and i will try to help. - dave From: "Jason R. Lucier" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] running windows in linux Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:27:54 -0400 Try a program you can find it at www.vmware.com - Original Message - From: "Rich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: [newbie] running windows in linux Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
I've just recently read about another product that is capable of running windows. It is called Win4Lin and costs approx $US90, more info should be at http://www.trelos.com Some vendors are now taking pre-orders. Nev Rich wrote: Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
Maybe he doesn't like Exceed Mike Corbeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/18/2000 11:12:57 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Joe Reynolds/ISSC/Texas Utilities) Subject: Re: [newbie] running windows in linux Kurt donald Cobain (on windows) wrote: take me off the mailing list Hmmm. Quite a change of topic, don't you think? Exceed = "take me off the mailing list". WOW! Don't see the relationship. mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] running windows in linux Exceed is quite a mature product. It turns the windows based PC into X Terminal. The window manager you use depends on your X server. I have used Exceed on a PC (Pentium 133) and the X server was on Sun. Hence, Exceed does not require a high spec PC. M.
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
I saw something in a magazine this month (PC World (UK version), I think) for something called Exceed from a company called Hummingbird. The trick here was someone had both Windows AND Linux running simultaneously, Linux was on a 'Dumb Box', and the Exceed software allowed the user to have both a Windows desktop and a Linux one. The software is about £20 and you can get an 'Evaluation Disc' from www2.hcl.com (No, that ISN'T a typo, that is the address!!). I'm not yet experienced enough with Linux to go for this yet, but certainly in a couple of months, it sounds just the thing I could use..anyone seen this or had any experience with it? Cheers Andy
RE: [newbie] running windows in linux
I am running Exceed right now. It is great, but it only a Xwindows client, it doesn't allow you do have run both operating systems as such. You are right, if you have linux(UNIX) running on another box you can connect through Exceed and run Linux applications directly on a Win98/NT box. It connects through a telnet session same as any other telnet session. The difference is it creates an Xsession for you so that display can be exported and stuff like that. With that said, it is a terrific product, but I am not sure if its exactly what you may think it is? -Original Message- From: andy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] running windows in linux I saw something in a magazine this month (PC World (UK version), I think) for something called Exceed from a company called Hummingbird. The trick here was someone had both Windows AND Linux running simultaneously, Linux was on a 'Dumb Box', and the Exceed software allowed the user to have both a Windows desktop and a Linux one. The software is about £20 and you can get an 'Evaluation Disc' from www2.hcl.com (No, that ISN'T a typo, that is the address!!). I'm not yet experienced enough with Linux to go for this yet, but certainly in a couple of months, it sounds just the thing I could use..anyone seen this or had any experience with it? Cheers Andy
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
Exceed is quite a mature product. It turns the windows based PC into X Terminal. The window manager you use depends on your X server. I have used Exceed on a PC (Pentium 133) and the X server was on Sun. Hence, Exceed does not require a high spec PC. M.
Re: RE: [newbie] running windows in linux
This sounds like a pcanywhere type interface threw telnet between Linux and windows98. Is that right? If so I could really use this type of interface. If it's not, is there another piece of software like this? Is there a site to read more or download and try? I tried the hummingbird site but did not get much specifications or info just hype. Thanx in advanced Mike I am running Exceed right now. It is great, but it only a Xwindows clien= t, it doesn't allow you do have run both operating systems as such. You are right, if you have linux(UNIX) running on another box you can connect through Exceed and run Linux applications directly on a Win98/NT box. It connects through a telnet session same as any other telnet session. The difference is it creates an Xsession for you so that display can be expor= ted and stuff like that. =20 With that said, it is a terrific product, but I am not sure if its exactl= y what you may think it is? -Original Message- From: andy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] running windows in linux =20 I saw something in a magazine this month (PC World (UK version), I thin= k) for something called Exceed from a company called Hummingbird. =20 The trick here was someone had both Windows AND Linux running simultaneously, Linux was on a 'Dumb Box', and the Exceed software allo= wed the user to have both a Windows desktop and a Linux one. The software i= s about =A320 and you can get an 'Evaluation Disc' from www2.hcl.com (N= o, that ISN'T a typo, that is the address!!). =20 I'm not yet experienced enough with Linux to go for this yet, but certainly in a couple of months, it sounds just the thing I could use..anyone see= n this or had any experience with it? =20 Cheers =20 Andy Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
take me off the mailing list - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] running windows in linux Exceed is quite a mature product. It turns the windows based PC into X Terminal. The window manager you use depends on your X server. I have used Exceed on a PC (Pentium 133) and the X server was on Sun. Hence, Exceed does not require a high spec PC. M.
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like a pcanywhere type interface threw telnet between Linux and windows98. Is that right? Sort of. A quick review of the X standard. We often think of X as the "gui" for Unix, and while that's certainly part of what it does, X is essentially a terminal protocol. Back in the day when computing capacity was still scarce, people used X terminals to work in a GUI environment of off a server (and in many places, this still happens). If anything, the pcAnywhere idea stems from X. What you want to find is an Xterminal application for Win32 like micro xterm or something (or like the aforementioned Exceed). Using one of these applications to log into a Unix machine running an X server, you would have actual X windows pop up in your Windows session. This would be not unlike what happens when you run Windows applications in OS/2 native mode. Have said this, I should note that it's bloody slow (unless your Linux machine is fast and you are on a swift network), so only do this if you have patience. I understand what would motivate many new users to take this approach, though, since they can retain access to the tools and interfaces they understand while learning to use and administer Unix (whatever flavour they choose to use). -Stephen-
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
What you want to find is an Xterminal application for Win32 like micro xterm or something (or like the aforementioned Exceed). Using one of these applications to log into a Unix machine running an X server, you One minor nit. In the X world, the "server" is the program which performs the drawing services (the xterminal), and the "client" is the program which requests the picture to be drawn. So, if you have an X session running on Windows and are connected to a Unix/Linux/Something else host running some program, then the X server is the program on the Windows machine and the X client is the program on the host. For example, if I run Exceed on my Windows machine and have a gimp window showing from my Linux box, then Exceed is the X server and gimp is the X client. I.e., gimp requests that a circle be displayed with thus and so characteristics, and Exceed acknowledges the command an draws a circle within the limits of the video display. It's very confusing because the "client program" is actually running on what we normally think of as the "server host" while the "server program" is running on what we normally think of as the "client workstation." 90% of the time this is meaningless hair splitting, but occasionally this is a critical distinction to understand. It's sure sent me in circles a few times. MB
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like a pcanywhere type interface threw telnet between Linux and windows98. Is that right? If so I could really use this type of interface. If it's not, is there another piece of software like this? Is there a site to read more or download and try? I tried the hummingbird site but did not get much specifications or info just hype. As others explained, Exceed gives you a "window" from your PC Windows OS into a remote Linux/Unix server, like telnet, except a telnet with a full gui. I don't know PCAnywhere; therefore, I can't give you any analogies other than telnet'ing into another machine, with a gui front end. This tool allows you to view the directory structure and files of the Linux/Unix server, to manipulate/modify/move/... files, run applications, compilers, etcetera, like you'ld be able to do with a telnet terminal, except with a full gui. The limitations with respect to what you could and could not do would be defined by the permissions your login account has, like a user account directly on a Linux/Unix box. That should probably do for an explanation of what Exceed is, and several people have confirmed that it's a good and reliable tool. Hence, I think that this should be enough. If you have any additional specific questions, then ask. I know or believe that PCAnywhere is to access remote PCs and if this is true, then there's probably a fair amount of similarity. mike Thanx in advanced Mike I am running Exceed right now. It is great, but it only a Xwindows clien= t, it doesn't allow you do have run both operating systems as such. You are right, if you have linux(UNIX) running on another box you can connect through Exceed and run Linux applications directly on a Win98/NT box. It connects through a telnet session same as any other telnet session. The difference is it creates an Xsession for you so that display can be expor= ted and stuff like that. =20 With that said, it is a terrific product, but I am not sure if its exactl= y what you may think it is? -Original Message- From: andy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] running windows in linux =20 I saw something in a magazine this month (PC World (UK version), I thin= k) for something called Exceed from a company called Hummingbird. =20 The trick here was someone had both Windows AND Linux running simultaneously, Linux was on a 'Dumb Box', and the Exceed software allo= wed the user to have both a Windows desktop and a Linux one. The software i= s about =A320 and you can get an 'Evaluation Disc' from www2.hcl.com (N= o, that ISN'T a typo, that is the address!!). =20 I'm not yet experienced enough with Linux to go for this yet, but certainly in a couple of months, it sounds just the thing I could use..anyone see= n this or had any experience with it? =20 Cheers =20 Andy Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
Kurt donald Cobain (on windows) wrote: take me off the mailing list Hmmm. Quite a change of topic, don't you think? Exceed = "take me off the mailing list". WOW! Don't see the relationship. mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] running windows in linux Exceed is quite a mature product. It turns the windows based PC into X Terminal. The window manager you use depends on your X server. I have used Exceed on a PC (Pentium 133) and the X server was on Sun. Hence, Exceed does not require a high spec PC. M.
RE: [newbie] running windows in linux
use WINE, it is included with Mandrake -Original Message- From: Dreja Julag [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 6:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] running windows in linux I think VMware is the only product I have seen that lets you use win in linux. www.vmware.com For mozilla, read up on creating links on your desktop. I will send an example. BTW, this prog is probably in your sys and should work. Just replace the commands. Drew Jackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 20177604 - Original Message - From: "Rich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: [newbie] running windows in linux Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman File: IglooFTP.kdelnk
RE: [newbie] running windows in linux
Don't forget to have a look to the free opensource attempt at vmware http://www.plex86.org/ plex86, former FreeMWare. -Original Message- From: Pittman, Merle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 April 2000 12:59 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] running windows in linux use WINE, it is included with Mandrake -Original Message- From: Dreja Julag [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 6:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] running windows in linux I think VMware is the only product I have seen that lets you use win in linux. www.vmware.com For mozilla, read up on creating links on your desktop. I will send an example. BTW, this prog is probably in your sys and should work. Just replace the commands. Drew Jackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 20177604 - Original Message - From: "Rich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: [newbie] running windows in linux Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman File: IglooFTP.kdelnk
[newbie] running windows in linux
Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
Rich wrote: I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Fork you. Sorry. Fork IT. $ mozilla Now you can safely close the console. The more sensible approach is to make an icon in the window manager you're using (KDE, Gnome, etc.). -Stephen-
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
I think VMware is the only product I have seen that lets you use win in linux. www.vmware.com For mozilla, read up on creating links on your desktop. I will send an example. BTW, this prog is probably in your sys and should work. Just replace the commands. Drew Jackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 20177604 - Original Message - From: "Rich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: [newbie] running windows in linux Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Thanks a lot, Rich Foreman IglooFTP.kdelnk
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, you wrote: Hi, I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system running with a window open running windows. I need this because I have one of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial (it sends through phone, receives through cable). It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in linux while it is still connected. If I could open windows while in linux I could make it dial that way. Can someone help me? The program they use is called VMWare. You can check it out at www.vmware.com . It's pretty cool, and I want to get it eventually. It isn't open sourced though, so you're going to have to shell out about a $100 for it. But from what I've heard, it's well worth it. I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to start it without typing the command in the console? It keeps the console open that way... Someone wrote a "how-to" on how to do it and mailed it to this list, so I just copied it to here: --- Quite a few people here asked how to run this new netscape, and the answers generally were: "cd into the newly created dir and type ./netscape or ./mozilla". However, there is an easy way to running it from any dir. First, move the newly created dir to wherever you want it, and rename it if you like (really, they could have come up with a more descriptive name than "package", right?). In my case I moved everything to /usr/local/netscape-v600/ so I'll be using this one as example. Then, in this new dir, edit 2 files. The first file to edit is the file called "netscape" which is in fact a simple shell-script. There you must change these lines: (originals are the ones starting with "#") # dist_bin="" dist_bin="/usr/local/netscape-v600" # MOZILLA_BIN="./mozilla-bin" MOZILLA_BIN="$dist_bin/mozilla-bin" Then save this file and open the file called "run-mozilla.sh" and change this: # MOZ_DIST_BIN="" MOZ_DIST_BIN="/usr/local/netscape-v600" Now you should be able to start it without cd'ing into the mozilla dir. Handy for creating a desktop button that launches "/usr/local/netscape-v600/netscape". If you want your old bookmarks under the new mozilla, simply copy your ~/.netscape/bookmarks.html to ~/.mozilla/PROFILE-NAME/bookmarks.html (where PROFILE-NAME is the name of the profile you created. Go look in the ~/.mozilla dir if you forgot what you named it. You'll loose the new mozilla bookmarks, but then again. Who ever uses the preloaded bookmarks that come with the browser? If you really want to have them, well... Do some html-editing to merge both files in one. Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org --- Anyway his directions work for me, and I have a button in Gnome to launch it for me. And just to add something, you can find the mozilla icon to use in /the_path_to_mozilla/package/icons/mozicon*.xpm -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
