Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
- Original Message - From: James Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem PLEASE people .. I assume a Motorola VOICESURFER is not a win modem, because it is ISA and I can use it in DOS. BUT it is PNP and I am not having any luck as of yet getting it working. For my pnp modem, not only did I have to use isapnp, but issue a setserial command also. It worked, but I reconfigured the modem to jumpered status and it works just as well. have you looked at the Five-Minute PPP? http://www.knowplace.org/ppp.html Hoyt
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
As far as I'm concerned, WinModems and ALL HCF modems rate down there along with Rockwell's original RPI modem. Leave the processing power in the MODEM. Don't expect the CPU to handle the tasks. WinModems don't even work all that well in Windows. Why should we expect them to work at all in Linux or any other operating system? The only reason they're as popular as they are is because they're CHEAP!!! Wholesalers can buy them CHEAP and they can sell them to you CHEAP. Believe me, CHEAP ain't always good. I used to work for a fellow that had a medium priced sound system store. He had a sign that said "We don't mind competitors that sell their products for less. Some folks just don't care if the get their oats AFTER the horse has eaten them." Original Message Follows From: Singer XJ Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kernal 2.4.x series will support WinModems. Linux has already called for a Feature Freeze for 2.4.x in a week. Remeber. the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 OK, we're freezing features in a week for 2.4, and there's currently (even in 2.3.11) no support for Winmodems--not even a hint of it, but it's going to be there for 2.4? Somehow I don't think so. Maybe over the course of 2.4.x (that is, before we get to 2.6.x) it may be integrated, but I doubt even that. Considering that each Winmodem is potentially a completely different device, I really don't think we're going to see this any time soon--nor do I think the developers should waste their time on it. XFS, OTOH, sounds seriously cool. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
RE: [newbie] Linux and the modem
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, you wrote: Kernal 2.4.x series will support WinModems. Linux has already called for a Feature Freeze for 2.4.x in a week. Remeber. the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 ain't as big as 2.0 to 2.2 so it will not take as long. I expect it by end of fall, maybe November at latest. Oh, Ok...:-) Glad to hear that not that it'll really mean much to me. I'm too chicken to update my system from the existing kernel (RedHat 6.0) to the latest revision of the 2.2.x kernel. The new file system XFS from SGI Inc. will probably not be intergrated till 3.x [read /.], XFS is a journaling file system. Personally, I have IRIX on a machine of mine at work. EXT2FS vs XFS, I take XFS anyday. Man, that thing rules. Once LINUX gets it, it will be able to compete more with NT better. Journaling File System is the way to go. Kewl...but will we be able to just switch over to XFS, or will we have to reinstall and reformat our hard drives??? BTW, glad to hear that they're putting off XFS until 3.x. :-) Otherwise, 3.x probably WOULD have been the next kernel. ;-) John
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
dont worry too much, i agree with you completely... this kind of attitude more than any other aspect is the linux community's greatest strength. Toby Sheets wrote: Sorry for posting that to the group. I meant to send it personally. T Toby Sheets wrote: John, If you're serious and it will work and get me online temporarily I would be glad to take you up on that. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to have to close Linux, open Windows, check my email, get an answer, close Windows, open Linux, test the answer, find out it doesn't work, close Linux, open Windows, etc etc. My snail address: 4902 DON DRIVE DALLAS TX 75247 You are the greatest!! Toby John Connell wrote: I have a Practical Peripheral 28,800 ext modem if you want it. It's not fast but it works with Linux. I used it for a couple of months before I could afford to buy a new USR 5686-03. it's yours if you want it, no strings attached! If interested email me your address and I'll put it the mail to you. John Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
PLEASE people .. I assume a Motorola VOICESURFER is not a win modem, because it is ISA and I can use it in DOS. BUT it is PNP and I am not having any luck as of yet getting it working. ALSO I have not had luck with my SB64 yet getting sound. PLEASE CAN anyone help!! Thanks James
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
James Schofield wrote: PLEASE people .. I assume a Motorola VOICESURFER is not a win modem, because it is ISA and I can use it in DOS. BUT it is PNP and I am not having any luck as of yet getting it working. Is it possible to move a couple jumpers and take it out of PNP mode? That typically works best. The other option is to check Windows or DOS to see what resources the modem is currently using. If it's using something non-standard, you can use setserial in Linux to adjust where Linux looks for the modem. ALSO I have not had luck with my SB64 yet getting sound. I _think_ those cards are ESS1370/1371 based. If so, there really shouldn't be anything stopping you from running sndconfig and having it detect the card. Are modules loaded when you attempt to run sndconfig that are causing conflicts? What errors does sndconfig give you? -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
We all know never is an awful long time Jeanette - Original Message - From: John M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mandrake Newbie List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux and the modem I guess the consensus on why to use a software based modem was that since computers are getting more and more powerful, why not use some of that power to control the modem. Well, it was a good idea in theory, but I have yet to find a software modem I like. Beside the modem sucking cpu cycles away from other apps, I have yet to be able to connect faster than 45333 on any software based modem, and I have tried a lot. I must say that a external 3com USR modem is one of the best in my opinion. I can get connect rates of 52000 in rural areas that the software modems choke at. Software modems = stay away from. Oh BTW, since when did Linux developers decide to support the WinModems? Last I heard developers saying was that WinModems sucked big time and that Linux will never support them in any way. So, will there be support or not? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Fry Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem As far as I'm concerned, WinModems and ALL HCF modems rate down there along with Rockwell's original RPI modem. Leave the processing power in the MODEM. Don't expect the CPU to handle the tasks. WinModems don't even work all that well in Windows. Why should we expect them to work at all in Linux or any other operating system? The only reason they're as popular as they are is because they're CHEAP!!! Wholesalers can buy them CHEAP and they can sell them to you CHEAP. Believe me, CHEAP ain't always good. I used to work for a fellow that had a medium priced sound system store. He had a sign that said "We don't mind competitors that sell their products for less. Some folks just don't care if the get their oats AFTER the horse has eaten them." Original Message Follows From: Singer XJ Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kernal 2.4.x series will support WinModems. Linux has already called for a Feature Freeze for 2.4.x in a week. Remeber. the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 OK, we're freezing features in a week for 2.4, and there's currently (even in 2.3.11) no support for Winmodems--not even a hint of it, but it's going to be there for 2.4? Somehow I don't think so. Maybe over the course of 2.4.x (that is, before we get to 2.6.x) it may be integrated, but I doubt even that. Considering that each Winmodem is potentially a completely different device, I really don't think we're going to see this any time soon--nor do I think the developers should waste their time on it. XFS, OTOH, sounds seriously cool. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com John May - Computer Technician E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] webpage: http://www.cybergeek.org
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, you wrote: Greetings: I am new to this list and new to Linux. I have installed Linux-Mandrake on my PC but am currently looking for easy directions to have Linux recognize my modem and dial in. I have seen some "simple" explanations that leave me a bit uncertain. Any suggestions on some easy (or less technical) step by step instructions? Thanks Is this a PCI 56k internal modem? If so, chances are it won't work. Give us some details on your system, especially modem brand, model, etc and maybe someone here can help. From what I've read, you should disable PNP and set the comm port, I/O address and IRQ with jumpers, if such are available for your modem. IIRC, after that, you'll need to run "setserial" and see what comes up for that modem. BTW, ttys0=com1, ttys1=com2, etc.
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
There is ONE known good PCI modem. The actiontech(sp?) one. I saw it at best buy - about us$100 and it was in a dark colored box with 'Call Waiting Modem' in big letters. -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:26147713 Original Message On 8/12/99, 6:07:57 AM, John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem: On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, you wrote: Greetings: I am new to this list and new to Linux. I have installed Linux-Mandrake on my PC but am currently looking for easy directions to have Linux recognize my modem and dial in. I have seen some "simple" explanations that leave me a bit uncertain. Any suggestions on some easy (or less technical) step by step instructions? Thanks Is this a PCI 56k internal modem? If so, chances are it won't work. Give us some details on your system, especially modem brand, model, etc and maybe someone here can help. From what I've read, you should disable PNP and set the comm port, I/O address and IRQ with jumpers, if such are available for your modem. IIRC, after that, you'll need to run "setserial" and see what comes up for that modem. BTW, ttys0=com1, ttys1=com2, etc.
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
Hi: My modem is a built in LT Winmodem (56K v90). Is this useless? It has yet to be found by my Mandrake. Toby Ty Mixon wrote: There is ONE known good PCI modem. The actiontech(sp?) one. I saw it at best buy - about us$100 and it was in a dark colored box with 'Call Waiting Modem' in big letters. -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:26147713 Original Message On 8/12/99, 6:07:57 AM, John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem: On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, you wrote: Greetings: I am new to this list and new to Linux. I have installed Linux-Mandrake on my PC but am currently looking for easy directions to have Linux recognize my modem and dial in. I have seen some "simple" explanations that leave me a bit uncertain. Any suggestions on some easy (or less technical) step by step instructions? Thanks Is this a PCI 56k internal modem? If so, chances are it won't work. Give us some details on your system, especially modem brand, model, etc and maybe someone here can help. From what I've read, you should disable PNP and set the comm port, I/O address and IRQ with jumpers, if such are available for your modem. IIRC, after that, you'll need to run "setserial" and see what comes up for that modem. BTW, ttys0=com1, ttys1=com2, etc.
RE: [newbie] Linux and the modem
Right now, its useless If you need to buy one, diamond was having a clearance on an external modem, which came up and worked without a hitch. (about $50) http://www.diamondmm.com/products/current/clearance.cfm Bill -Original Message- From: Toby Sheets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 1:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem Hi: My modem is a built in LT Winmodem (56K v90). Is this useless? It has yet to be found by my Mandrake. Toby Ty Mixon wrote: There is ONE known good PCI modem. The actiontech(sp?) one. I saw it at best buy - about us$100 and it was in a dark colored box with 'Call Waiting Modem' in big letters. -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:26147713 Original Message On 8/12/99, 6:07:57 AM, John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem: On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, you wrote: Greetings: I am new to this list and new to Linux. I have installed Linux-Mandrake on my PC but am currently looking for easy directions to have Linux recognize my modem and dial in. I have seen some "simple" explanations that leave me a bit uncertain. Any suggestions on some easy (or less technical) step by step instructions? Thanks Is this a PCI 56k internal modem? If so, chances are it won't work. Give us some details on your system, especially modem brand, model, etc and maybe someone here can help. From what I've read, you should disable PNP and set the comm port, I/O address and IRQ with jumpers, if such are available for your modem. IIRC, after that, you'll need to run "setserial" and see what comes up for that modem. BTW, ttys0=com1, ttys1=com2, etc.
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, you wrote: Hi: My modem is a built in LT Winmodem (56K v90). Is this useless? It has yet to be found by my Mandrake. WinModem = Windows ONLY! So, the answer is, YES, it's useless.
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
the official word is fall of 99. linus is calling for a halt to all new development on the kernel this month so they can get going on the new version. John Aldrich wrote: - Original Message - From: Bert Bullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem you might want to hang on to it for a while and just get a cheap one for now. kernel 2.4 is going to have winmodem support. Yes, but how long is it going to take to get kernel 2.4? I know Linus is calling for it by the end of the year, but do you SERIOUSLY think it'll come that fast? Also included in 2.4 is supposed to be the new file system (which will basically "break" all our current systems, no? G) John
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
What about a Motorola Voice Surfer.. Its an ISA modem and I am 99% sure its hardware.. but I cant get Linux to use it right. It will detect there is SOMETHING on Comm3 but it wont use it right. HELP??? James
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
Not at this time. I do have suggestion: Everyone with a Winmodem should send polite snail-mail or e-mail to the modem chipset manufacturer asking for them to provide a linux driver or at least release the specs so a driver can be developed. Lucent Rockwell are two of the largest controller-less modem chipset manufacturers scott On 13-Aug-99 Toby Sheets wrote: There's no workaround for this? John Aldrich wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, you wrote: Hi: My modem is a built in LT Winmodem (56K v90). Is this useless? It has yet to be found by my Mandrake. WinModem = Windows ONLY! So, the answer is, YES, it's useless. -- E-Mail: scott worley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12-Aug-99 Time: 19:20:52 This message was sent by XFMail --
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
Like I said...considering how long it took to go from the previous version to the current version (1.x.x to 2.x.x???) I'm just cynical. I know Linus would LIKE to have it done by the end of the year, but the question is whether it will really happen. Also, just how well will the new kernel support WinModems??? And, what will be broken in the process of supporting 'em and adding other new features (such as XFS) John - Original Message - From: Bert Bullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem the official word is fall of 99. linus is calling for a halt to all new development on the kernel this month so they can get going on the new version. John Aldrich wrote: - Original Message - From: Bert Bullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem you might want to hang on to it for a while and just get a cheap one for now. kernel 2.4 is going to have winmodem support. Yes, but how long is it going to take to get kernel 2.4? I know Linus is calling for it by the end of the year, but do you SERIOUSLY think it'll come that fast? Also included in 2.4 is supposed to be the new file system (which will basically "break" all our current systems, no? G) John
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
And when is that supposed to come out? Bert Bullough wrote: you might want to hang on to it for a while and just get a cheap one for now. kernel 2.4 is going to have winmodem support.
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
Several months at the earliest. John - Original Message - From: Toby Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem And when is that supposed to come out? Bert Bullough wrote: you might want to hang on to it for a while and just get a cheap one for now. kernel 2.4 is going to have winmodem support.
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Toby Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And when is that supposed to come out? Bert Bullough wrote: you might want to hang on to it for a while and just get a cheap one for now. kernel 2.4 is going to have winmodem support. == I suggest a good quality EXTERNAL modem. I use a US Robotics 56K faxmodem (v.90 x2 compatible) There are several others as good (or better). You'll pay about $20 more than for an internal, but it's easier to monitor (or "cut-off" if necessary) :-)
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
John Aldrich wrote: Not at this time. There's supposed to be support for WinModems in kernel 2.4...if you want to wait that long. - Original Message - From: Toby Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem There's no workaround for this? John Aldrich wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, you wrote: Hi: My modem is a built in LT Winmodem (56K v90). Is this useless? It has yet to be found by my Mandrake. WinModem = Windows ONLY! So, the answer is, YES, it's useless. Toby, I have a Practical Peripheral 28,800 ext modem if you want it. It's not fast but it works with Linux. I used it for a couple of months before I could afford to buy a new USR 5686-03. it's yours if you want it, no strings attached! If interested email me your address and I'll put it the mail to you. John Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [newbie] Linux and the modem
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Aldrich Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem - Original Message - From: Bert Bullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem you might want to hang on to it for a while and just get a cheap one for now. kernel 2.4 is going to have winmodem support. Yes, but how long is it going to take to get kernel 2.4? I know Linus is calling for it by the end of the year, but do you SERIOUSLY think it'll come that fast? Also included in 2.4 is supposed to be the new file system (which will basically "break" all our current systems, no? G) John Kernal 2.4.x series will support WinModems. Linux has already called for a Feature Freeze for 2.4.x in a week. Remeber. the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 ain't as big as 2.0 to 2.2 so it will not take as long. I expect it by end of fall, maybe November at latest. The new file system XFS from SGI Inc. will probably not be intergrated till 3.x [read /.], XFS is a journaling file system. Personally, I have IRIX on a machine of mine at work. EXT2FS vs XFS, I take XFS anyday. Man, that thing rules. Once LINUX gets it, it will be able to compete more with NT better. Journaling File System is the way to go.
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
From: Singer XJ Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kernal 2.4.x series will support WinModems. Linux has already called for a Feature Freeze for 2.4.x in a week. Remeber. the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 OK, we're freezing features in a week for 2.4, and there's currently (even in 2.3.11) no support for Winmodems--not even a hint of it, but it's going to be there for 2.4? Somehow I don't think so. Maybe over the course of 2.4.x (that is, before we get to 2.6.x) it may be integrated, but I doubt even that. Considering that each Winmodem is potentially a completely different device, I really don't think we're going to see this any time soon--nor do I think the developers should waste their time on it. XFS, OTOH, sounds seriously cool.
Re: [newbie] Linux and the modem
Sorry for posting that to the group. I meant to send it personally. T Toby Sheets wrote: John, If you're serious and it will work and get me online temporarily I would be glad to take you up on that. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to have to close Linux, open Windows, check my email, get an answer, close Windows, open Linux, test the answer, find out it doesn't work, close Linux, open Windows, etc etc. My snail address: 4902 DON DRIVE DALLAS TX 75247 You are the greatest!! Toby John Connell wrote: I have a Practical Peripheral 28,800 ext modem if you want it. It's not fast but it works with Linux. I used it for a couple of months before I could afford to buy a new USR 5686-03. it's yours if you want it, no strings attached! If interested email me your address and I'll put it the mail to you. John Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
