RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
Not anymore - go to www.netcraft.com They're using Win2k with IIS 5.0 Mike Talking about MS Linux, when Microsoft first took over hotmail it was running on Solaris, microsoft moved it over to NT, found out that NT couldn't handle worth a damn, so what did they do...moved back over to solaris...bottom line, microsoft do use *nix. Robert. From: Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "LinuxNewbie (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:05:50 -0500 In my mind, it seems like running something in wine is a bit of a kludge - especially a full blown productivity app... -Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
Talking about MS Linux, when Microsoft first took over hotmail it was running on Solaris, microsoft moved it over to NT, found out that NT couldn't handle worth a damn, so what did they do...moved back over to solaris...bottom line, microsoft do use *nix. Robert. From: Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "LinuxNewbie (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:05:50 -0500 In my mind, it seems like running something in wine is a bit of a kludge - especially a full blown productivity app... -Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
That is odd, i remember reading that they just moved Hotmail over to win2000... markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Robert Griffiths" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 6:00 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! Talking about MS Linux, when Microsoft first took over hotmail it was running on Solaris, microsoft moved it over to NT, found out that NT couldn't handle worth a damn, so what did they do...moved back over to solaris...bottom line, microsoft do use *nix. Robert. From: Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "LinuxNewbie (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:05:50 -0500 In my mind, it seems like running something in wine is a bit of a kludge - especially a full blown productivity app... -Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
FYI, here's another article about Corel. It purports that the reason for this bail out is so Microsoft could offer WordPerfect as open-source to compete against the release of Star Office on the 13th, apparently to This is nothing more than a wild-ass speculation just like the ones I and others have posed here. The sad thing is that this woman actually believes she can argue that MS isn't propping up WP because it's such an insignificant competitor and thus, they MUST be doing it to release pressure on them to open source their own Office suite. Uhm...does anyone else see an inconsistency in that logic? Speculation is fun, it's part of what we do. But it's not an "article about Corel" in my view. relieve the pressure of offering MS Office as open-source... If this is true it's a bit weak I think just about everyone could see through this. Heck Mark, she provided the tool to do it with her statements about the relative imprtance of WP suite in the marketplace. to believe the view that this is more about acquiring access to the graphics applications and .NET than about open-source products and acquiring/killing linux. Yep...whatever's happened to Corel, they've got a bunch of talent there and MS (and other US software companies) have expressed repeatedly the need for more talent. You know, from reading some of these news articles, I don't think a lot of reporters really understand "what" linux is beyond another it's type of OS... Of course you're right about this. pps: The Outlook 2000 spell checker suggested that I change "linux" to "Linux", looks like MS put Linux in its dictionary!?! I bet "free" is in there too but they don't understand it either :-) Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, you wrote: I think it's obvious that MS wants to rule the world and take over as many corporation. I hope that they lose the case in the lawsuits. Talking about MS Linux, when Microsoft first took over hotmail it was running on Solaris, microsoft moved it over to NT, found out that NT couldn't handle worth a damn, so what did they do...moved back over to solaris...bottom line, microsoft do use *nix. Robert. From: Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "LinuxNewbie (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:05:50 -0500 In my mind, it seems like running something in wine is a bit of a kludge - especially a full blown productivity app... -Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
turns StarOffice into something decent. Wordperfect was buggy, like all commercial software. They should have made it opensource. A shame RedHat couldn't buy Corel. They do have some useful software I'd like to see opensourced. What would you do with it? Large chunks of Word Perfect are written in assembler. THAT'S the problem; it's hell to port stuff like that so instead they just made it run with Wine. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
Well, we all should go down and buy their products. I'm thinking about buying the wordperfect suite. The one thing I wouldnt buy from them is Corel Linux. No thanks. If they'd actually ported their suite to Linux I'd be the first in line but I don't need Franken-Windows applications running under Wine on my machine. Corel is having economic problems because their vision of what's important to consumers is wrong. Consumers have been more saavy than they thought they were (your comment about Corel Linux is a case in point). Unless they can rethink that and respond, it doesn't matter how much money MS puts into the company to keep them afloat (and in my opinion MS just needs "competitors" to desperately point at) Corel will crumble. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
Yeah...really. they should stick to makeing office suites. -- Mark ~~~ ...someone once asked Annie Sullivan what she saw in a man she was considering as perspective suiter who had a terrible case of acne. Annie was reported to have replied, "His face is an easy read!" On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 2:44pm ,Robin Regennitter spake passionately in a message: On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: Well, we all should go down and buy their products. I'm thinking about buying the wordperfect suite. The one thing I wouldnt buy from them is Corel Linux. That really sucks!! I bought the Corel 2000 deluxe office suite last year when it came out, and now I'm going to have to call Micro$oft for support! (I know, there won't be any support. I just don't believe they're allowed to suck up another company!) Don't know if you've been keeping tabs on your software supplier but if something didn't happen to inject some money into that company you wouldn't have any company to call. It's still unclear what will happen to Corel's product line but at least their stock prices should stop their free fall...for a while. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. -Original Message- From: Mike Tracy Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! That really sucks!! I bought the Corel 2000 deluxe office suite last year when it came out, and now I'm going to have to call Micro$oft for support! (I know, there won't be any support. I just don't believe they're allowed to suck up another company!) Mike Thought this was an interesting article that you might want to look at...http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2635894,00.html?chkpt =zdhpnews01 Here is the opening paragraph Microsoft says it gets a great new .Net partner. Corel says it gets badly needed financial backing. No one utters the word "Linux." Patti Registered Linux User #184611
Re: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
There is a company in St.Louis that made some sort of Database Software for Linux to manage there ENTIRE database for there manufacturing plant, and they made it opensource of course and he mentioned in article after it was put up for download it was downloaded 10 times from someone at Microsoft.com. Though that might intrest you users wondering if Microsoft uses Linux. :) markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Mark Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:11 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. -Original Message- From: Mike Tracy Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! That really sucks!! I bought the Corel 2000 deluxe office suite last year when it came out, and now I'm going to have to call Micro$oft for support! (I know, there won't be any support. I just don't believe they're allowed to suck up another company!) Mike Thought this was an interesting article that you might want to look at...http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2635894,00.html?chkpt =zdhpnews01 Here is the opening paragraph Microsoft says it gets a great new .Net partner. Corel says it gets badly needed financial backing. No one utters the word "Linux." Patti Registered Linux User #184611
Re: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
.deep in the far reaches of the Gates islands in the large gates mansion runs an interesting peculiarity. as we hear the clacking away at key strokes we come across the horid creature of the gates and on his monitor a large penguin is dancing away, as the behimith screaches LINUX ROCKS! considering microshaft helps out apple believe it or not from a quote steve jobs utterred "we have friends at microsoft who are more then happy to work on our unix based projects" this translates to me as microsoft does work woth unix and linux based programming and software but are not developing anything currently that comes strait from microshaft. In a message dated 03-Oct-00 08:19:22 Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company.
Re: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
as far as corel linux, from everything i have heard in the linux community its not that big of a loss, and if microshaft ports a linux distro which i doughbt given bill gates quote of linux that its just a fad and is not a stable or reliable system (he obviously downloaded the wrong linux distro, i still wouldnt care it would probably look like http://www.mslinux.org which is a very funny farce
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
In my mind, it seems like running something in wine is a bit of a kludge - especially a full blown productivity app... -Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
One on-line commenter had an interesting speculation that goes something like this. With Sun taking StarOffice open source next week Microsoft will be under the gun. Since Microsoft certainly doesn't want Office to be open source it invests in Corel. Then Office can be close source while WordPerfect is made open source. Interesting... -rick -Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
Actually no, it runs great! Also, it's only the word processor that's running on wine, everything else in the suite has been ported. Mike In my mind, it seems like running something in wine is a bit of a kludge - especially a full blown productivity app...
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
It doesn't matter. Both Gnome and KDE are quickly working towards very usable office products and of course there is always the chance that Sun turns StarOffice into something decent. Wordperfect was buggy, like all commercial software. They should have made it opensource. A shame RedHat couldn't buy Corel. They do have some useful software I'd like to see opensourced. *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Robin Regennitter wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote: Well, we all should go down and buy their products. I'm thinking about buying the wordperfect suite. The one thing I wouldnt buy from them is Corel Linux. That really sucks!! I bought the Corel 2000 deluxe office suite last year when it came out, and now I'm going to have to call Micro$oft for support! (I know, there won't be any support. I just don't believe they're allowed to suck up another company!) Don't know if you've been keeping tabs on your software supplier but if something didn't happen to inject some money into that company you wouldn't have any company to call. It's still unclear what will happen to Corel's product line but at least their stock prices should stop their free fall...for a while. Cheers --- Larry
