Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
Alan Schussman wrote: Ken and John- Thanks for the feedback. You may be right, John; regardless of how I try to set the mount, it won't let anybody but root write to it. I certainly understand the logic of not corrupting the DOS file system, but such a hard-and-fast prevention seems to short-circuit any benefit of being able to access the partition at all. It's pretty inconvenient to have to su in order to copy shared files to my windows partition, but if that's what I have to do, well I guess that's what I have to do. What you want to use is the 'umask=' option on the /etc/fstab line. Check the manpage for information on what it does. I'd include the full line for you, but I don't have any fat/vfat partitions to try it out on. Hopefully someone on the list can take a look at the option and let you know what the value should be. On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, John Aldrich wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (replace hdax with the device where your DOS partition is.) It works fine for me, with one exception: the directory to which I mount my windows partition is only writeable by root, even if I chmod it after I mount the partition. Has anybody experienced that? Umm...yeah that's for a good reason. :-) If you aren't careful you can corrupt your DOS file system, at least that's what I suspect is the reason for disallowing anyone but "root" to write to the dos partition. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: # mount -t umsdos /dev/[whatever-drive-and-partition-for-dos] /mnt/[whatever-directory-you-want-the-dos-partition-mounted-at] (all on one line). Negative, umsdos requires utilitys and preperation beyond just a mount command. groupadd vfat edit the fstab everyline that has vfat in it replace "defaults" with "defaults,g=vfat,umask=002" -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon OK - I tried the responses that I received to my question about mounting the fat partition. In the console, as root, I typed groupadd vfat. Then I went to my /etc/fstab file to edit the vfat lines in it except there was no mention of vfat anywhere in the file. I believe that my fat partition is hda1, but I'm not sure. That's the way it's setup in the partition tables anyway. So now my question is 1. How do I determine what the partition table looks like in Linux, I assume that my fat partition is hda1, but I'm not entirely certain. I should be able to make it work with this information. I tried several different variations on the mount command and not one of them worked, so I must be specifying the wrong partition. Thanks, Ken
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, you wrote: [clip] I should be able to make it work with this information. I tried several different variations on the mount command and not one of them worked, so I must be specifying the wrong partition. Thanks, Ken Try the following: First, go to /mnt and create a directory "vfat" or "dos" or "windows" or some such identifier for that partition. Second, type the following EXACTLY: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/directory you just made This SHOULD work, assuming you're correct in your belief that your Dos/Windows partition is /dev/hda1. If this fails, try /dev/hda2 then /dev/hda3 and so on until it successfully mounts. The only REAL way to be sure that it's mounted is to change to the /mnt/directory and browse around after issuing the mount command. Oh, yeah...you'll need to be "root" to try this out. Once you've determined which /dev/hdxx it is, you can plug that info into fstab. :-) John
RE: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
Run the linux fdisk command on each of your harddrives, i.e. 'fdisk /dev/hda', 'fdisk /dev/hdb', etc. Don't use a partition number with the command. You will get a menu asking what you want to do next. Use the 'l' menu item to get a list of each partition and it's type on each of the disks. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: # mount -t umsdos /dev/[whatever-drive-and-partition-for-dos] /mnt/[whatever-directory-you-want-the-dos-partition-mounted-at] (all on one line). Negative, umsdos requires utilitys and preperation beyond just a mount command. groupadd vfat edit the fstab everyline that has vfat in it replace "defaults" with "defaults,g=vfat,umask=002" -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon OK - I tried the responses that I received to my question about mounting the fat partition. In the console, as root, I typed groupadd vfat. Then I went to my /etc/fstab file to edit the vfat lines in it except there was no mention of vfat anywhere in the file. I believe that my fat partition is hda1, but I'm not sure. That's the way it's setup in the partition tables anyway. So now my question is 1. How do I determine what the partition table looks like in Linux, I assume that my fat partition is hda1, but I'm not entirely certain. I should be able to make it work with this information. I tried several different variations on the mount command and not one of them worked, so I must be specifying the wrong partition. Thanks, Ken
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, John Aldrich wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: Can someone please explain how to mount the fat partition from Linux so that I can access all of those office files while running Linux. Or do I just need to copy them to disk and open them in SO? Thanks mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (replace hdax with the device where your DOS partition is.) That SHOULD work. John Mandrake just announced that the new version will have a windows icon on the desktop. Does anyone have any idea how this will work or what it will do? Rick "mulerider" Murphy -- "I don't want to swim in a roped off sea," JB
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
Ken Wilson wrote: Run the linux fdisk command on each of your harddrives, i.e. 'fdisk /dev/hda', 'fdisk /dev/hdb', etc. Don't use a partition number with the command. You will get a menu asking what you want to do next. Use the 'l' menu item to get a list of each partition and it's type on each of the disks. Uhh, I think you mean 'p' rather than 'l'. 'l' gives a list of partition types. Command action a toggle a bootable flag b edit bsd disklabel c toggle the dos compatibility flag d delete a partition l list known partition types m print this menu n add a new partition o create a new empty DOS partition table p print the partition table q quit without saving changes s create a new empty Sun disklabel t change a partition's system id u change display/entry units v verify the partition table w write table to disk and exit x extra functionality (experts only)
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: Can someone please explain how to mount the fat partition from Linux so that I can access all of those office files while running Linux. Or do I just need to copy them to disk and open them in SO? Thanks mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (replace hdax with the device where your DOS partition is.) That SHOULD work. John
RE: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
If you know what partitions they're on just add the following to your /etc/fstab file. This will mount those partitions every time you boot up Linux. /dev/hda2 /mydocs vfat rw,user,conv=auto 0 0 Substitute you proper partition number for the /hda2 as shown above. Use a mount name of your choice in place of /mydocs. The options shown here, in order, are readable/writeable, user mountable (don' need to be root to mount) and automatic conversion of the DOS cr/lf to unix eol when moving text files back and forth between the two file systems. I don't know if there's a man page on fstab, I haven't looked. Check if there is. If so, it will give you a lot more information about the different filesystem types and the various options. You may want to check into the options that prevent people from trying to run executables on these partitions. Caveats: - use vfat over msdos, vfat allows the use of long filenames while msdos constrains you to the usual 8.3 - separate the different sections with tabs rather than spaces. I'm not sure it's necessarily critical with fstab but some Linux config files/tables show a definite preference for tabs Ken Wilson First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 8:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Opening Windows Files Can someone please explain how to mount the fat partition from Linux so that I can access all of those office files while running Linux. Or do I just need to copy them to disk and open them in SO? Thanks
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (replace hdax with the device where your DOS partition is.) It works fine for me, with one exception: the directory to which I mount my windows partition is only writeable by root, even if I chmod it after I mount the partition. Has anybody experienced that? -Alan
RE: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
Try the command this way mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (rw,user) The user option may make it available to a user. I won't bet on it though as I'd be suspcious about losing the setting if you logged out as root and logged back in as user. My own preference would be to put the necessary instructions in /etc/fstab so that this is taken care of automatically by mounting it for you on bootup or at least making it user mountable if not pre-mounted. You may also want to consider adding the option 'conv=auto' in case you're dealing with plain text files. The way DOS and Unix handle the end of a line are signifigantly different to cause you a headache if you don't have the appropriate changes made when moving the file from MSDOS to Linux or vice versa. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Schussman Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (replace hdax with the device where your DOS partition is.) It works fine for me, with one exception: the directory to which I mount my windows partition is only writeable by root, even if I chmod it after I mount the partition. Has anybody experienced that? -Alan
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
Ken wrote: Can someone please explain how to mount the fat partition from Linux so that I can access all of those office files while running Linux. Or do I just need to copy them to disk and open them in SO? Thanks Ken, Open a terminal and type--mkdir C (or whatever your win is on) then open your /etc/fstab file and insert a line similar to this one. /dev/hdxx /mnt/C vfat defaults 0 0 John
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (replace hdax with the device where your DOS partition is.) It works fine for me, with one exception: the directory to which I mount my windows partition is only writeable by root, even if I chmod it after I mount the partition. Has anybody experienced that? Umm...yeah that's for a good reason. :-) If you aren't careful you can corrupt your DOS file system, at least that's what I suspect is the reason for disallowing anyone but "root" to write to the dos partition.
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Mike Fieschko wrote: "Ken" == Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken Can someone please explain how to mount the fat partition Ken from Linux so that I can access all of those office files Ken while running Linux. Or do I just need to copy them to disk Ken and open them in SO? Thanks # mount -t umsdos /dev/[whatever-drive-and-partition-for-dos] /mnt/[whatever-directory-you-want-the-dos-partition-mounted-at] (all on one line). Negative, umsdos requires utilitys and preperation beyond just a mount command. groupadd vfat edit the fstab everyline that has vfat in it replace "defaults" with "defaults,g=vfat,umask=002" -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
Ken and John- Thanks for the feedback. You may be right, John; regardless of how I try to set the mount, it won't let anybody but root write to it. I certainly understand the logic of not corrupting the DOS file system, but such a hard-and-fast prevention seems to short-circuit any benefit of being able to access the partition at all. It's pretty inconvenient to have to su in order to copy shared files to my windows partition, but if that's what I have to do, well I guess that's what I have to do. - alan / note my new email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, John Aldrich wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (replace hdax with the device where your DOS partition is.) It works fine for me, with one exception: the directory to which I mount my windows partition is only writeable by root, even if I chmod it after I mount the partition. Has anybody experienced that? Umm...yeah that's for a good reason. :-) If you aren't careful you can corrupt your DOS file system, at least that's what I suspect is the reason for disallowing anyone but "root" to write to the dos partition.
RE: [newbie] Opening Windows Files
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, you wrote: Try the command this way mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/dos (rw,user) The user option may make it available to a user. I won't bet on it though as I'd be suspcious about losing the setting if you logged out as root and logged back in as user. My own preference would be to put the necessary instructions in /etc/fstab so that this is taken care of automatically by mounting it for you on bootup or at least making it user mountable if not pre-mounted. You may also want to consider adding the option 'conv=auto' in case you're dealing with plain text files. The way DOS and Unix handle the end of a line are signifigantly different to cause you a headache if you don't have the appropriate changes made when moving the file from MSDOS to Linux or vice versa. TrueI was merely giving him the command to mount it "at-will" :-) Not everone is going to want to have it AS available as it would be in fstab. :-)
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows files
I think you're asking how to access windows partitions? If not then please disregard. To have your windows partition mounted at startup, edit /etc/fstab with the line file systemmount pointtypeoptionsdumppass /dev/hda1/Windows vfat defaults 0 0 This assumes that windows is located on the first partition of /dev/hda, and you have created a directory /Windows. Modify to taste. Ben - Original Message - From: Hans Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Mailingliste [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:44 AM Subject: [newbie] Opening Windows files Hi out there! How can I get access to the windows partition - and files there from linux in mandrake 6.0. Formerly I have been using SUSE Linux and the tool yast offered that in an easy way. Something similar in Mandrake? regards Hans
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows files
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999, Hans Goetz wrote: Formerly I have been using SUSE Linux and the tool yast offered that in an easy way. Something similar in Mandrake? linuxconf LLaP bero
Re: [newbie] Opening Windows files
Edit your FSTAB (as root) to show that partition similar to the following: /dev/hda/mnt/windows/vfatauto, user, rw, (etc--whatever other mods you want in here) 00 This is assuming that Windows is loaded onto your primary partition on an IDE hard drive. - Original Message - From: Hans Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Mailingliste [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:44 AM Subject: [newbie] Opening Windows files Hi out there! How can I get access to the windows partition - and files there from linux in mandrake 6.0. Formerly I have been using SUSE Linux and the tool yast offered that in an easy way. Something similar in Mandrake? regards Hans
