RE: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
Tom, Sorry, been away for a bit. I wanted to install d4x using urpmi so my rpmdb is all up to date enabling me to auto update. I don't like using source just yet as I like urpmi to do everything. I wanted to install d4x through urpmi to download the rc1 iso images as it is made for this kind of thing and web browsers download managers are not up to the task (though it did work on all three admittedly). I hope this time I explained it a bit better. Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem. On Friday February 21 2003 02:08 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, Okay lets start again. I download iso's normally with d4x, but I did not have it installed in beta 3. I had to use mozilla download manager. I was asking about d4x for urpmi as I don't like installing programs from source (lazy I know). Sorry for the confusion. Tony. Well, I'm still confused ...or maybe you are? Maybe we both are ;) d4x for urpmi just doesn't make sense to me. They are designed for two different purposes. The only thing they share is using wget (or with urpmi, 'curl' can also be used) to d/l files. All d4x does is d/l. urpmi, OTOH, searches sources for updates compared to what's on you system already, or new installs by your request. Then it d/l's. Then it either upgrades or installs the files, after having also grabed any needed dependancies, and/or removing any conflicting packages. None of which is applicable for iso images's, except the d/l'ing part. You don't upgrade or install image files themselves, you certainly wouldn't 'urpmi filename.iso'. I don't like installing programs from source confuses me too. I can only suspect that maybe you confuse iso images with programs, or packages, or source code? iso's are none of those, they aren't even a 'file' in it's commonly used sense. When used to describe distro images, they are a raw image that contains files and packages (rpms). They're also used, for example, to contain the sound tracks on an audio CD, among other uses. For bootable distro iso's, they contain an 'El torrito' sector within the image that tells the computer boot me when burned to a CD. Otherwise the image file (iso) on your HDD can also be mounted as loop device (**see man mount, THE LOOP DEVICE) and the files and packages used from within the image (container), or extracted (copied) from it. Either way you need to d/l it to your HDD first. I just happen to like d4x to do this. I try an avoid using browsers as they sometimes (specially Netscape) mangle d/l's. BTW, ISO stands for International Organization for Standards and is just one type of image file. The term is often used incorrectly and/or too generally, as I just have ;) ** I'm sure there's better explainations on websites, than 'man mount' for loop devices. IIRC, it's as simple as 'mount -o loop /path/to/filename.iso /mnt/point/' I'm also positive somebody else can explain all this bett'r than me ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Tuesday February 25 2003 08:12 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, Sorry, been away for a bit. I wanted to install d4x using urpmi so my rpmdb is all up to date enabling me to auto update. I don't like using source just yet as I like urpmi to do everything. I wanted to install d4x through urpmi to download the rc1 iso images as it is made for this kind of thing and web browsers download managers are not up to the task (though it did work on all three admittedly). I hope this time I explained it a bit better. Thanks, Tony. OK, I think it was me that misunderstood. Mea culpa. If d4x is on your CD's, a simple 'urpmi d4x' should install it. IIRC, I got it from contribs (/RPMS2/ on any Mandrake mirror). But for just one package it's hardly worth setting up FTP sources. Just bring up a Mandrake mirror for your current version in a browser (Konqueror does a good job) and d/l the d4x-2.4.0-1mdk rpm. Once you've got d4x installed and configured, you won't need to d/l with a browser any more ;) You might as well wait a few days to get 9.1 iso's tho. I suspect RC2 will be on the mirrors soon. People who install from the current cooker mirrors are reporting that the installer already says it's RC2. Then if you setup main (/RPMS) and contrib (/RPMS2) ftp sources and use 'urpmi.update -a --wget urpmi --auto-select' to periodically get current with cooker, by the end of March, you'll have 9.1 final ;) You'll do well to either subscribe to and read the cooker mailing list, or at least check the list archive, while using cooker. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On 22 Feb 2003 00:56:26 -0500 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why we work with rpm's. RPM packages give us a database whereby we can track every single file that's installed plus it's location, and in turn delete them when the time comes, or delete and install in the case of an upgrade, without missing anything. The rpm tracking database thus preserves the integrity of the operating system. Point1: Some, but not all, source pkgs contain uninstall scripts that can be run if you wish to remove a program. Point2: Updating from a source pkg is dome the same as you would anything. The new program will overwrite, i.e. upgrade the old program as long as the same prefix and path options are used at configure. Point3: Use checkinstall. This will install the built src pkg as an rpm and it will be added to your systems rpm database and can be upgraded or removed as any other rpm.. Charles -- Fortune's real live weird band names #257: Force Vomit - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-10mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Dennis Myers wrote: You won't find the nvidia drivers on Mandrake cooker mirrors. MOF, you won't find any non-free and/or proprietary software. As for the cdrw disks, I think you are right. I could not get 9.1b3 to install, it would hang part way through in different places. 9.1rc1 Installed without a hitch, well except for the known hitches. So I think I will only use the cdrw's as a storage device and make sure I can read them at that. Dennis, It could be the CDRW media you're using. I've been using CDRW's to record, store and install betas and RC's for a good while now and haven't experienced any troubles at all. In fact thats how I recorded and installed this RC version. As for the networking troubles I noticed that DrakConnect did definately have a problem setting up and the LAN during installation and couldn't get it all done correctly even after the system was up. That was an easy fix though because it was missing the DNS information for my LAN which was quickly remedied with Linuxconf. All is well now and I'm lovin this version. can't wait till the final comes out so's I can buy the powerpack! -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
Tom, Okay lets start again. I download iso's normally with d4x, but I did not have it installed in beta 3. I had to use mozilla download manager. I was asking about d4x for urpmi as I don't like installing programs from source (lazy I know). Sorry for the confusion. Tony. -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem. On Thursday February 20 2003 09:45 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, Sorry I should have made my email more clear, I have used d4x for a while, but I don't like putting programs on my system unless I use urpmi. I was curious to see if you urpmied it or compiled from source. As for the cdr I don't like to waste em, no matter how much they cost (it's the green in me). I will be adding the sunsite to my urpmi collection when I get home. Thanks, Tony. Then I don't understand. Why would you think it's better to urpmi iso's? iso's aren't upgradeable, installable ... which is what urpmi is for. iso's (image files), are meant to be d/l'd to your system (HDD), and then either burned to CD's, or used for installing from the HDD. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
I don't like installing programs from source confuses me too. So how would you update a program if it was installed from source? I have always wondered this. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:19, Robert Wideman wrote: I don't like installing programs from source confuses me too. So how would you update a program if it was installed from source? I have always wondered this. Rob That's the trick. You are at the mercy of the install scripts submitted in the tarball. Typically you are relegated to finding all relevant files installed by the tarball, eliminating them and then compiling/reinstalling the new tarball. This is why we work with rpm's. RPM packages give us a database whereby we can track every single file that's installed plus it's location, and in turn delete them when the time comes, or delete and install in the case of an upgrade, without missing anything. The rpm tracking database thus preserves the integrity of the operating system. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.21pre4-6mdk Mandrake 9.1 RC1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdkEvolution 1.2.2-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
Tom, Beta 3 wouldn't erase my cd-rw so I had to finish off in micro$haft. Were you using d4x in beta 3? If so was it through urpmi? If so where from? I have added cooker main contrib and another cooker to urpmi (can't remember which one), but it would not find it, also it will not find the nvidia drivers. Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem. On Wednesday February 19 2003 08:30 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, I was on cooker the other day and a guy had the same problem with a realtek card, he's posted to bugzilla, and the current workaround is having fixed rather than dynamic ip. I am happy with that till bugzilla gets it's teeth into it. My card came with my cable connection. On a side note my cable company have screwed up and have given me a 1 mb pipe for the last week so far. Makes getting rc1 a whole lot easier, I had disk 1 2 before the 3rd disk hit the proxad ftp site. lol Tony. OK, I thought it had been reported. Unfortunately the alternative might end up being gettin another brand NIC that will work, if you're in a hurry ;( D-Links are cheap, work well. I've heard some less than flattering stuff about Syslink NICs lately, even security holes built into the hardware. Yeah, I got 1 2 before 3, but the mirror (sunsite) was a little slower than normal (busy as hell ;), and wouldn't allow 3 d/l's at the same time. Took 2 hrs, 34 mins to get the first two RC1 iso's simultaneously usin d4x on a 1.5 mb adsl connection. NBD, I d/l'd iso 3 while I was checking md5sums, and burnin 1 2 ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Thursday February 20 2003 02:15 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, Beta 3 wouldn't erase my cd-rw so I had to finish off in micro$haft. Were you using d4x in beta 3? If so was it through urpmi? If so where from? I have added cooker main contrib and another cooker to urpmi (can't remember which one), but it would not find it, also it will not find the nvidia drivers. Thanks, Tony. Well, I don't use RW's. I see no good reason to with CDr's at 30¢ each. There's a very good reason not to, specially for iso's. RW's, even when brand new, will not be as 'readable' as CDr's will. I often suspect those that report problems with iso CD's failing to install properly, fail to mention they're using cd-rw's. d4x is just a download buttler. It doesn't find, d/l, and install updates as urpmi does. d4x is just a GUI frontend for wget. It just make d/l'ing multiple files, specially more than one at a time, easy. It definitely will resume failed d/l's and allows you to throttle how much of your bandwidth to give to d/l'ing, among many other features. I use sunsite 'cause it's the primary mirror and updates often (hourly). Unless you update cooker several times a day, you'd probly be better off using one of the less busy mirrors listed on the mirror list at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 You won't find the nvidia drivers on Mandrake cooker mirrors. MOF, you won't find any non-free and/or proprietary software. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
Tom, Sorry I should have made my email more clear, I have used d4x for a while, but I don't like putting programs on my system unless I use urpmi. I was curious to see if you urpmied it or compiled from source. As for the cdr I don't like to waste em, no matter how much they cost (it's the green in me). I will be adding the sunsite to my urpmi collection when I get home. Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem. On Thursday February 20 2003 02:15 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, Beta 3 wouldn't erase my cd-rw so I had to finish off in micro$haft. Were you using d4x in beta 3? If so was it through urpmi? If so where from? I have added cooker main contrib and another cooker to urpmi (can't remember which one), but it would not find it, also it will not find the nvidia drivers. Thanks, Tony. Well, I don't use RW's. I see no good reason to with CDr's at 30¢ each. There's a very good reason not to, specially for iso's. RW's, even when brand new, will not be as 'readable' as CDr's will. I often suspect those that report problems with iso CD's failing to install properly, fail to mention they're using cd-rw's. d4x is just a download buttler. It doesn't find, d/l, and install updates as urpmi does. d4x is just a GUI frontend for wget. It just make d/l'ing multiple files, specially more than one at a time, easy. It definitely will resume failed d/l's and allows you to throttle how much of your bandwidth to give to d/l'ing, among many other features. I use sunsite 'cause it's the primary mirror and updates often (hourly). Unless you update cooker several times a day, you'd probly be better off using one of the less busy mirrors listed on the mirror list at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 You won't find the nvidia drivers on Mandrake cooker mirrors. MOF, you won't find any non-free and/or proprietary software. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Thursday February 20 2003 09:45 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, Sorry I should have made my email more clear, I have used d4x for a while, but I don't like putting programs on my system unless I use urpmi. I was curious to see if you urpmied it or compiled from source. As for the cdr I don't like to waste em, no matter how much they cost (it's the green in me). I will be adding the sunsite to my urpmi collection when I get home. Thanks, Tony. Then I don't understand. Why would you think it's better to urpmi iso's? iso's aren't upgradeable, installable ... which is what urpmi is for. iso's (image files), are meant to be d/l'd to your system (HDD), and then either burned to CD's, or used for installing from the HDD. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Thursday 20 February 2003 08:56 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday February 20 2003 02:15 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, Beta 3 wouldn't erase my cd-rw so I had to finish off in micro$haft. Were you using d4x in beta 3? If so was it through urpmi? If so where from? I have added cooker main contrib and another cooker to urpmi (can't remember which one), but it would not find it, also it will not find the nvidia drivers. Thanks, Tony. Well, I don't use RW's. I see no good reason to with CDr's at 30¢ each. There's a very good reason not to, specially for iso's. RW's, even when brand new, will not be as 'readable' as CDr's will. I often suspect those that report problems with iso CD's failing to install properly, fail to mention they're using cd-rw's. d4x is just a download buttler. It doesn't find, d/l, and install updates as urpmi does. d4x is just a GUI frontend for wget. It just make d/l'ing multiple files, specially more than one at a time, easy. It definitely will resume failed d/l's and allows you to throttle how much of your bandwidth to give to d/l'ing, among many other features. I use sunsite 'cause it's the primary mirror and updates often (hourly). Unless you update cooker several times a day, you'd probly be better off using one of the less busy mirrors listed on the mirror list at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 You won't find the nvidia drivers on Mandrake cooker mirrors. MOF, you won't find any non-free and/or proprietary software. As for the cdrw disks, I think you are right. I could not get 9.1b3 to install, it would hang part way through in different places. 9.1rc1 Installed without a hitch, well except for the known hitches. So I think I will only use the cdrw's as a storage device and make sure I can read them at that. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Wednesday February 19 2003 01:53 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: All, It seems rc1 has the same realtek problem as the rest of the beta's. You cannot use dhcp you must have a fixed ip address to make it work. I hope bugzilla sorts it out before final. Tony. I have a d-link card that works fine on a dynamic IP pppoe connection using dhcp. They're only $10. But, IIRC, there was quite a bit of discussion about some problem NICs. I believe realtek and 3com were involved. Have you searched the cooker archives for a fix ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerr=1w=2 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
Tom, I was on cooker the other day and a guy had the same problem with a realtek card, he's posted to bugzilla, and the current workaround is having fixed rather than dynamic ip. I am happy with that till bugzilla gets it's teeth into it. My card came with my cable connection. On a side note my cable company have screwed up and have given me a 1 mb pipe for the last week so far. Makes getting rc1 a whole lot easier, I had disk 1 2 before the 3rd disk hit the proxad ftp site. lol Tony. ps All, apologies for return receipts on some posts, I use them for work and sometimes forget to turn them off for list posts. -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem. On Wednesday February 19 2003 01:53 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: All, It seems rc1 has the same realtek problem as the rest of the beta's. You cannot use dhcp you must have a fixed ip address to make it work. I hope bugzilla sorts it out before final. Tony. I have a d-link card that works fine on a dynamic IP pppoe connection using dhcp. They're only $10. But, IIRC, there was quite a bit of discussion about some problem NICs. I believe realtek and 3com were involved. Have you searched the cooker archives for a fix ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerr=1w=2 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RC1 and network problem.
On Wednesday February 19 2003 08:30 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, I was on cooker the other day and a guy had the same problem with a realtek card, he's posted to bugzilla, and the current workaround is having fixed rather than dynamic ip. I am happy with that till bugzilla gets it's teeth into it. My card came with my cable connection. On a side note my cable company have screwed up and have given me a 1 mb pipe for the last week so far. Makes getting rc1 a whole lot easier, I had disk 1 2 before the 3rd disk hit the proxad ftp site. lol Tony. OK, I thought it had been reported. Unfortunately the alternative might end up being gettin another brand NIC that will work, if you're in a hurry ;( D-Links are cheap, work well. I've heard some less than flattering stuff about Syslink NICs lately, even security holes built into the hardware. Yeah, I got 1 2 before 3, but the mirror (sunsite) was a little slower than normal (busy as hell ;), and wouldn't allow 3 d/l's at the same time. Took 2 hrs, 34 mins to get the first two RC1 iso's simultaneously usin d4x on a 1.5 mb adsl connection. NBD, I d/l'd iso 3 while I was checking md5sums, and burnin 1 2 ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
