Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
At 10:58 AM 11/6/2002 +, you wrote: Hi there, Can you explain in detail about what you do for the dual booting? I am struggling with this problem. I have asked about it but the answer is to find some disk tools such as PatitionMagic to make a partition for Linux from the predefined NTFS partition(WinXP). However, PartitionMagic is not a free program. So can I share your experiences with this problem? Thanks in advance. Wishes, QingHua. If you are super stuck Need PM 6 I will send you my copy. I bought it its a dust collector. Just an FYI :) --- Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
At 02:33 PM 11/7/2002 +1100, you wrote: On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 14:14, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Stephen: My understanding is that the 1024 cylinder limit hasn't applied to Mandrake since 7.1 (assuming a 1998 or later BIOS). -- cmg That could be more than true, but I still like to play better safe than sorry. Generally speaking, I like to put the /boot and the / on the first drive below the 1024 mark, then the /home (or whatever) and the swap on a completely different physical drive (or more!). Same with any version of Winders - I put the OS on one drive and the TEMP or PAGEFILE on another physical drive... For all intents and purposes, MDK might be a happy camper beyond 1024, but I still like to impose my scheme...(for load balancing amongst other things)...I'll give it a shot on my next test system to see if it works...Tanx Carroll! I have 2k MDK installed. LILO goes before the 1024 part, other than that win2k doesn't complain tho it is before linux b/c win2k will bitch if I don't do it that way. POS M$ bullshit OS. --- Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
Hi there, Can you explain in detail about what you do for the dual booting? I am struggling with this problem. I have asked about it but the answer is to find some disk tools such as PatitionMagic to make a partition for Linux from thepredefined NTFS partition(WinXP). However, PartitionMagic is not a free program. So can I share your experiences with this problem? Thanks in advance. Wishes, QingHua.
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
It seems to me that someone has suggested here before that there is a shareware/freeware tool that will resize an NTFS partition safely. I think the reference was not very detailed, so I may have assumed that it was 'free' and not a commercial product. Have you tried to do a search through the last archive done of the newbie listservfor'NTFS' to see what others have said? I have never tried to do this, opting to back up what I have to save and redoing the partition from scratch to the size I now want it. T - Original Message - From: QingHua Wang To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot? Hi there, Can you explain in detail about what you do for the dual booting? I am struggling with this problem. I have asked about it but the answer is to find some disk tools such as PatitionMagic to make a partition for Linux from thepredefined NTFS partition(WinXP). However, PartitionMagic is not a free program. So can I share your experiences with this problem? Thanks in advance. Wishes, QingHua.
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
It is interesting to note that the new Xandros distribution can apparently resize NTFS partitions. However since Xandros have decided not to publish any of their work under the GPL, and to not allow downloads of their distro, then I shall never find out how effective it is. BTW: There are cheaper alternatives to Partition Magic. For example http://www.ranish.com/part/ (I have not tried it) derek On Wednesday 06 Nov 2002 12:18 pm, Tim Werner wrote: If you don't want to re-install Windows, probably the easiest thing is to add a hard drive and put Linux on that drive. As far as I know, there is no freeware tool to re-partition a drive without losing the data. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of QingHua Wang Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot? Can you explain in detail about what you do for the dual booting? I am struggling with this problem. I have asked about it but the answer is to find some disk tools such as PatitionMagic to make a partition for Linux from the predefined NTFS partition(WinXP). However, PartitionMagic is not a free program. So can I share your experiences with this problem? Thanks in advance. - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
...but I have read many complimentary reviews about it. It must be worth checking out. Anne On Wednesday 06 Nov 2002 12:50 pm, you wrote: It is interesting to note that the new Xandros distribution can apparently resize NTFS partitions. However since Xandros have decided not to publish any of their work under the GPL, and to not allow downloads of their distro, then I shall never find out how effective it is. BTW: There are cheaper alternatives to Partition Magic. For example http://www.ranish.com/part/ (I have not tried it) derek On Wednesday 06 Nov 2002 12:18 pm, Tim Werner wrote: If you don't want to re-install Windows, probably the easiest thing is to add a hard drive and put Linux on that drive. As far as I know, there is no freeware tool to re-partition a drive without losing the data. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of QingHua Wang Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot? Can you explain in detail about what you do for the dual booting? I am struggling with this problem. I have asked about it but the answer is to find some disk tools such as PatitionMagic to make a partition for Linux from the predefined NTFS partition(WinXP). However, PartitionMagic is not a free program. So can I share your experiences with this problem? Thanks in advance. - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
I have found something interesting in the FAQs of Ranish Partition Manager. It says, 18. What about resizing of NTFS partitions? Unfortunately, there are no free utilities yet to do this. So you need to go for commercial/shareware utilities. Bootit Next Generation: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com Partition Magic:http://www.powerquest.com . It seems that I have to buy a small hard disk for Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 03:58 am, QingHua Wang wrote: Hi there, Can you explain in detail about what you do for the dual booting? I am struggling with this problem. I have asked about it but the answer is to find some disk tools such as PatitionMagic to make a partition for Linux from the predefined NTFS partition(WinXP). However, PartitionMagic is not a free program. So can I share your experiences with this problem? Thanks in advance. Wishes, QingHua. QingHua; Is there a reason you can't just totally start from scratch and build the partitions you need for XP and just leave a portion of the drive for Mandrake unformatted or formatted for FAT 32? That would make it easy to use diskdrake to do the chore afterward. For utilities to do the deed from predefined NTFS; pick one. The utilities you'll find at this link all seem to have either a demo or shareware version that you can try to resize the NTFS partition(s) on your drive without additional cost. All down-loadable I believe. I haven't used anything other than Ranish for this for many moons and choose not to work on pre-installed Windows XP machines if I can possibly avoid it. http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,6170,00.asp Does anyone else find it strange that Microsoft juggles the file system format just enough to kill the possibility of using built in _free software_; thus forcing one to pay good money to try something other than their operating system? Forcing people to upgrade to their latest and greatest. Talk about getting you coming and going or what? Good luck! Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Are you sure you're not an encyclopedia salesman? No, Ma'am. Just a burglar, come to ransack the flat. -- Monty Python Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
Charlie, Have you used the newest version (beta)? If so, did you think that it was stable enough to trust as a beta partitioner? Or is the version before it able to work with NTFS as well? As for M$'s attitude on changing the O/S to make it hard to use freeware on it I think you may be giving them too much credit. When you are that arrogant and self-important, you only worry about the bigger picture and large competitors. If M$ really cared that much, they would have figured out some way to disable the use of Windows whenever someone loaded Linux for dual-booting. ;-) On the other hand, who's to say that they might now be working on that right now? Just my own flavor of cynicism towards the big M$. :-D T - Original Message - From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot? On Wednesday 06 November 2002 03:58 am, QingHua Wang wrote: Hi there, Can you explain in detail about what you do for the dual booting? I am struggling with this problem. I have asked about it but the answer is to find some disk tools such as PatitionMagic to make a partition for Linux from the predefined NTFS partition(WinXP). However, PartitionMagic is not a free program. So can I share your experiences with this problem? Thanks in advance. Wishes, QingHua. QingHua; Is there a reason you can't just totally start from scratch and build the partitions you need for XP and just leave a portion of the drive for Mandrake unformatted or formatted for FAT 32? That would make it easy to use diskdrake to do the chore afterward. For utilities to do the deed from predefined NTFS; pick one. The utilities you'll find at this link all seem to have either a demo or shareware version that you can try to resize the NTFS partition(s) on your drive without additional cost. All down-loadable I believe. I haven't used anything other than Ranish for this for many moons and choose not to work on pre-installed Windows XP machines if I can possibly avoid it. http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,6170,00.asp Does anyone else find it strange that Microsoft juggles the file system format just enough to kill the possibility of using built in _free software_; thus forcing one to pay good money to try something other than their operating system? Forcing people to upgrade to their latest and greatest. Talk about getting you coming and going or what? Good luck! Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Are you sure you're not an encyclopedia salesman? No, Ma'am. Just a burglar, come to ransack the flat. -- Monty Python Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
On Thursday 07 Nov 2002 4:31 am, qhwang wrote: I have found something interesting in the FAQs of Ranish Partition Manager. It says, 18. What about resizing of NTFS partitions? Unfortunately, there are no free utilities yet to do this. So you need to go for commercial/shareware utilities. Bootit Next Generation: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com Partition Magic:http://www.powerquest.com . It seems that I have to buy a small hard disk for Linux. Haven't checked recently, but Bootit NG (above) used to have a free trial (30 days) which I've used in the past - actually I ended up purchasing it because it was very easy to use and was the cheapest available. It works too! The first time I ever tried linux, I repartitioned with Bootit but that was with Win98SE (FAT32) not NTFS. If they still have the trial version, download it and read the docs. If it says it can resize NTFS then it will. Its not a bad little program IMHO. Like I said, its very easy to use. I've even used it to backup partitions to CD-RW and used them to restore (back when I used Winblows, that is). Don't forget to backup first. Good luck Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 10:07 am, Technoslick wrote: Charlie, Have you used the newest version (beta)? If so, did you think that it was stable enough to trust as a beta partitioner? Or is the version before it able to work with NTFS as well? As for M$'s attitude on changing the O/S to make it hard to use freeware on it I think you may be giving them too much credit. When you are that arrogant and self-important, you only worry about the bigger picture and large competitors. If M$ really cared that much, they would have figured out some way to disable the use of Windows whenever someone loaded Linux for dual-booting. ;-) On the other hand, who's to say that they might now be working on that right now? Just my own flavor of cynicism towards the big M$. :-D T snip Hey T.; I've been avoiding XP like the plague (as much as possible) while staying within my self imposed help a friend guidelines. I still haven't had to try to resize any partitions on anything newer than W2K Pro and with that version of the wonder from Redmond the beta of Mikhail Ranish's freeware (2.40 beta if I recall correctly) worked. There's just enough difference in the NTFS format from Win 2k to XP to break with the version I used though. I think. I had no trouble with that 'project' and I think the lady still occasionally boots to Win 2K. Not often since she has a shared FAT 32 partition now. Something must have worked since she only calls to say howdy lately. g I still think the best solution is to start from scratch and leave enough room unformatted for whatever alternatives the user wants to tackle. Back-ups are easy enough and cheap enough for that. The main difficulty most people have is no install disk, just some kind of restore disk included with pre-installed/proprietary machines. Like H-Paq, Dell, etc. That makes it tough to do anything non standard as far as repartitioning and will probably void the warranty anyway. In fact I'm sure of it in at least one case; since I have a friend that works in customer service (the Hell Desk) for Compaq. Microsoft as a corporation is just as arrogant as you imply; or worse. The theme seems to be either buy the competitor, or destroy them somehow. Regardless of size. Hardware manufacturers would like to be that arrogant but many are just stupid IMNSHO. I don't think either of us could be considered anywhere near cynical enough about Microsoft. :-) Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org The future is a race between education and catastrophe. -- H.G. Wells Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
Stephen Kuhn, Wednesday 06 November 2002 19:15: Downloaded - going to have to try this on a customers computer to see ^ So /you're/ the model for the BOFH stories! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 02:07 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: snip ... and I always make sure that I move my FAT/VFAT/NTFS partitions to the end of the first disk so that my free space is always below the 1024 cylinder for linux. ... Stephen Stephen: My understanding is that the 1024 cylinder limit hasn't applied to Mandrake since 7.1 (assuming a 1998 or later BIOS). -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 14:14, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Stephen: My understanding is that the 1024 cylinder limit hasn't applied to Mandrake since 7.1 (assuming a 1998 or later BIOS). -- cmg That could be more than true, but I still like to play better safe than sorry. Generally speaking, I like to put the /boot and the / on the first drive below the 1024 mark, then the /home (or whatever) and the swap on a completely different physical drive (or more!). Same with any version of Winders - I put the OS on one drive and the TEMP or PAGEFILE on another physical drive... For all intents and purposes, MDK might be a happy camper beyond 1024, but I still like to impose my scheme...(for load balancing amongst other things)...I'll give it a shot on my next test system to see if it works...Tanx Carroll! (a rut is a grave with both ends knocked out!) -- Thu Nov 7 14:25:01 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | QOTD: My mother was the travel agent for guilt trips. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Dual Boot?
I use boot magic as my boot loader. Windows XP must be on the C drive since Boot Magic is a windows application. I just have lilo save to the LINUX partition. Boot Magic locates the windows and LINUX boot loaders. Boot magic is very easy to configure and use.
