Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris Speaking of Updated Distributions, what is the difference between the following version of devel Manddrake, and Cookers version of Development distro? daniel in NJ... confoozled as always...:) ftp://ftp.grolier.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrake-devel/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
I had always heard in the old days to have /var on its own partition as a security feature. It prevents a hacker from getting a log to flood the / partition. That may be wrong or irrelevant now, though. --- "Richard T. Waters" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since my last question was not as dumb as I thought, let me see if I can get lucky twice. If I understand what you are suggesting, since I have 128 meg of memory, I would make the swap 256meg. It seems to me that in the past I have read that once the swap gets above 128, Linux doesn't do much with the extra size. Am I totally daffy, or was this a limitation that recent releases has remedied. If I have a 10 gig drive, can I assume that boot stays at 64 meg? Would / stay at 3.5 or do I want to double that and leave the remainder for /home? Thanks! Christopher Molnar wrote: I teach some classes for new Linux users. Here is what I tell them for a 5 Gig drive. (OK, I know I am about to be corrected, flamed, etc for this but I can handle it [sniff] - just remember this is a general suggestion and is not written in stone). Do NOT let the installer auto-partition. I have a different opinion about putting /var onto it's own partition. Don't. These are in order on how I recommend creating on a 5 gig drive: /boot = 64 meg Swap = 2 times the amount of physical memory in your machine. More if a server (probably 4 times). / = 3.5 Gig /home = remainder of all drive space. This seems to let them do a full development install and it works. (OK, let me have it!). Anyways, forgive me mailing list Gods, but if you are near New Haven, CT USA check out the Mandrake Campus courses at: http://www.innovationsw.com/training. -Chris Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
What if more memory is added? How would one increase the swap partition? On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Todd Flinders wrote: I had always heard in the old days to have /var on its own partition as a security feature. It prevents a hacker from getting a log to flood the / partition. That may be wrong or irrelevant now, though. --- "Richard T. Waters" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since my last question was not as dumb as I thought, let me see if I can get lucky twice. If I understand what you are suggesting, since I have 128 meg of memory, I would make the swap 256meg. It seems to me that in the past I have read that once the swap gets above 128, Linux doesn't do much with the extra size. Am I totally daffy, or was this a limitation that recent releases has remedied. If I have a 10 gig drive, can I assume that boot stays at 64 meg? Would / stay at 3.5 or do I want to double that and leave the remainder for /home? Thanks! Christopher Molnar wrote: I teach some classes for new Linux users. Here is what I tell them for a 5 Gig drive. (OK, I know I am about to be corrected, flamed, etc for this but I can handle it [sniff] - just remember this is a general suggestion and is not written in stone). Do NOT let the installer auto-partition. I have a different opinion about putting /var onto it's own partition. Don't. These are in order on how I recommend creating on a 5 gig drive: /boot = 64 meg Swap = 2 times the amount of physical memory in your machine. More if a server (probably 4 times). / = 3.5 Gig /home = remainder of all drive space. This seems to let them do a full development install and it works. (OK, let me have it!). Anyways, forgive me mailing list Gods, but if you are near New Haven, CT USA check out the Mandrake Campus courses at: http://www.innovationsw.com/training. -Chris Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
Since my last question was not as dumb as I thought, let me see if I can get lucky twice. If I understand what you are suggesting, since I have 128 meg of memory, I would make the swap 256meg. It seems to me that in the past I have read that once the swap gets above 128, Linux doesn't do much with the extra size. Am I totally daffy, or was this a limitation that recent releases has remedied. If I have a 10 gig drive, can I assume that boot stays at 64 meg? Would / stay at 3.5 or do I want to double that and leave the remainder for /home? Thanks! Christopher Molnar wrote: I teach some classes for new Linux users. Here is what I tell them for a 5 Gig drive. (OK, I know I am about to be corrected, flamed, etc for this but I can handle it [sniff] - just remember this is a general suggestion and is not written in stone). Do NOT let the installer auto-partition. I have a different opinion about putting /var onto it's own partition. Don't. These are in order on how I recommend creating on a 5 gig drive: /boot = 64 meg Swap = 2 times the amount of physical memory in your machine. More if a server (probably 4 times). / = 3.5 Gig /home = remainder of all drive space. This seems to let them do a full development install and it works. (OK, let me have it!). Anyways, forgive me mailing list Gods, but if you are near New Haven, CT USA check out the Mandrake Campus courses at: http://www.innovationsw.com/training. -Chris Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
Can someone please tell me the point of having several partitions on the same drive for one GNU/Linux installation? I can't imagine that it would be much faster, and there is not really much risk of losing data with only one partition, especially with new filesystems like ReiserFS. I simply use one partition for everything, and I have had no problems whatsoever. If I had several partitions I would be wasting space since /boot, / and other partitions would not be full, and so would be robbing space from /home. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm interested in repartitioning my drive to give more room to Linux (about 9GB in total, excluding Swap). On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:48, Christopher Molnar wrote: On Saturday 03 February 2001 17:57, Richard T. Waters wrote: Whenever a new release comes out I have always been in the habit of doing a full install, rather than an upgrade. A person after my own heart! Of course doing a backup first of all your data is a good idea! Of course this entails some backing up and restoring of information. Yup! I have seen some discussions regarding how many partitions is best for an install, and I notice there are (as usual) varying opinions. Is there a general guideline I can follow. Do I basically want to set up /; /boot and /usr? What should be a good rule of thumb for allocating space for the various partitions? I teach some classes for new Linux users. Here is what I tell them for a 5 Gig drive. (OK, I know I am about to be corrected, flamed, etc for this but I can handle it [sniff] - just remember this is a general suggestion and is not written in stone). Do NOT let the installer auto-partition. I have a different opinion about putting /var onto it's own partition. Don't. These are in order on how I recommend creating on a 5 gig drive: /boot = 64 meg Swap = 2 times the amount of physical memory in your machine. More if a server (probably 4 times). / = 3.5 Gig /home = remainder of all drive space. This seems to let them do a full development install and it works. (OK, let me have it!). Anyways, forgive me mailing list Gods, but if you are near New Haven, CT USA check out the Mandrake Campus courses at: http://www.innovationsw.com/training. -Chris Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
I can answer that in one word - "Updates". It is far easier and safer to do a clean install than to do an update. Part of the clean full install includes formatting. For myself that would be deadly as my /home partition has a lot of source code, documents, etc. So that is partitioned. Also, wou will see a performance hit the larger the drive gets. IMHO. Hope that helps, -Chris On Sunday 04 February 2001 09:24, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Can someone please tell me the point of having several partitions on the same drive for one GNU/Linux installation? I can't imagine that it would be much faster, and there is not really much risk of losing data with only one partition, especially with new filesystems like ReiserFS. I simply use one partition for everything, and I have had no problems whatsoever. If I had several partitions I would be wasting space since /boot, / and other partitions would not be full, and so would be robbing space from /home. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm interested in repartitioning my drive to give more room to Linux (about 9GB in total, excluding Swap). On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:48, Christopher Molnar wrote: On Saturday 03 February 2001 17:57, Richard T. Waters wrote: Whenever a new release comes out I have always been in the habit of doing a full install, rather than an upgrade. A person after my own heart! Of course doing a backup first of all your data is a good idea! Of course this entails some backing up and restoring of information. Yup! I have seen some discussions regarding how many partitions is best for an install, and I notice there are (as usual) varying opinions. Is there a general guideline I can follow. Do I basically want to set up /; /boot and /usr? What should be a good rule of thumb for allocating space for the various partitions? I teach some classes for new Linux users. Here is what I tell them for a 5 Gig drive. (OK, I know I am about to be corrected, flamed, etc for this but I can handle it [sniff] - just remember this is a general suggestion and is not written in stone). Do NOT let the installer auto-partition. I have a different opinion about putting /var onto it's own partition. Don't. These are in order on how I recommend creating on a 5 gig drive: /boot = 64 meg Swap = 2 times the amount of physical memory in your machine. More if a server (probably 4 times). / = 3.5 Gig /home = remainder of all drive space. This seems to let them do a full development install and it works. (OK, let me have it!). Anyways, forgive me mailing list Gods, but if you are near New Haven, CT USA check out the Mandrake Campus courses at: http://www.innovationsw.com/training. -Chris Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
Thanks for the help so far, Chris. Does an install really need formatting to be clean? I remember when I switched to MDK7.2 from 7.1 I simply deleted everything on my Linux partition save /home and then ran Drakx. So if partitioning is really better, can someone please suggest what I should do with my system? I have two drives, one 11.2GB and one 2.4GB. The 11.2GB is much faster than the 2.4GB and is set on the primary (master) IDE channel, whereas the 2.4GB is a secondary master. I need about 3GB for Windows (I only use it nowadays to play the occasional game :-)), but Linux is my priority. Swap is not much of a priority, as I have 256MB of RAM and I only use swap when either something's crashed or if I'm using VMware. I currently have 200MB of Swap and it appears to suit my needs well (I regularly check my usage with "free -m"). I have a CD-burner on the secondary IDE channel, so I don't want to burden this channel with much hard drive traffic (so I can prevent coasters). A major reason for the repartitioning is to switch to ReiserFS from Ext2 and thus speed up my drive performance so I can burn without errors. Thanks in advance. On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:50, Christopher Molnar wrote: I can answer that in one word - "Updates". It is far easier and safer to do a clean install than to do an update. Part of the clean full install includes formatting. For myself that would be deadly as my /home partition has a lot of source code, documents, etc. So that is partitioned. Also, wou will see a performance hit the larger the drive gets. IMHO. Hope that helps, -Chris On Sunday 04 February 2001 09:24, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Can someone please tell me the point of having several partitions on the same drive for one GNU/Linux installation? I can't imagine that it would be much faster, and there is not really much risk of losing data with only one partition, especially with new filesystems like ReiserFS. I simply use one partition for everything, and I have had no problems whatsoever. If I had several partitions I would be wasting space since /boot, / and other partitions would not be full, and so would be robbing space from /home. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm interested in repartitioning my drive to give more room to Linux (about 9GB in total, excluding Swap). On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:48, Christopher Molnar wrote: On Saturday 03 February 2001 17:57, Richard T. Waters wrote: Whenever a new release comes out I have always been in the habit of doing a full install, rather than an upgrade. A person after my own heart! Of course doing a backup first of all your data is a good idea! Of course this entails some backing up and restoring of information. Yup! I have seen some discussions regarding how many partitions is best for an install, and I notice there are (as usual) varying opinions. Is there a general guideline I can follow. Do I basically want to set up /; /boot and /usr? What should be a good rule of thumb for allocating space for the various partitions? I teach some classes for new Linux users. Here is what I tell them for a 5 Gig drive. (OK, I know I am about to be corrected, flamed, etc for this but I can handle it [sniff] - just remember this is a general suggestion and is not written in stone). Do NOT let the installer auto-partition. I have a different opinion about putting /var onto it's own partition. Don't. These are in order on how I recommend creating on a 5 gig drive: /boot = 64 meg Swap = 2 times the amount of physical memory in your machine. More if a server (probably 4 times). / = 3.5 Gig /home = remainder of all drive space. This seems to let them do a full development install and it works. (OK, let me have it!). Anyways, forgive me mailing list Gods, but if you are near New Haven, CT USA check out the Mandrake Campus courses at: http://www.innovationsw.com/training. -Chris Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
Whenever a new release comes out I have always been in the habit of doing a full install, rather than an upgrade. Of course this entails some backing up and restoring of information. I have seen some discussions regarding how many partitions is best for an install, and I notice there are (as usual) varying opinions. Is there a general guideline I can follow. Do I basically want to set up /; /boot and /usr? What should be a good rule of thumb for allocating space for the various partitions? Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
I'm with you on that, Richard. But then, I don't have a "production" system. My current setup is to have a /, a /backup, and a swap partition. Everything that's truly important gets copied to /backup regularly so I don't have to reset everything if I do a reinstall at the next Mandrake release. (Or if I go brain dead and try another distro instead.) "Richard T. Waters" wrote: Whenever a new release comes out I have always been in the habit of doing a full install, rather than an upgrade. Of course this entails some backing up and restoring of information. I have seen some discussions regarding how many partitions is best for an install, and I notice there are (as usual) varying opinions. Is there a general guideline I can follow. Do I basically want to set up /; /boot and /usr? What should be a good rule of thumb for allocating space for the various partitions? -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 7.3/8.0 - getting ready
On Saturday 03 February 2001 17:57, Richard T. Waters wrote: Whenever a new release comes out I have always been in the habit of doing a full install, rather than an upgrade. A person after my own heart! Of course doing a backup first of all your data is a good idea! Of course this entails some backing up and restoring of information. Yup! I have seen some discussions regarding how many partitions is best for an install, and I notice there are (as usual) varying opinions. Is there a general guideline I can follow. Do I basically want to set up /; /boot and /usr? What should be a good rule of thumb for allocating space for the various partitions? I teach some classes for new Linux users. Here is what I tell them for a 5 Gig drive. (OK, I know I am about to be corrected, flamed, etc for this but I can handle it [sniff] - just remember this is a general suggestion and is not written in stone). Do NOT let the installer auto-partition. I have a different opinion about putting /var onto it's own partition. Don't. These are in order on how I recommend creating on a 5 gig drive: /boot = 64 meg Swap = 2 times the amount of physical memory in your machine. More if a server (probably 4 times). / = 3.5 Gig /home = remainder of all drive space. This seems to let them do a full development install and it works. (OK, let me have it!). Anyways, forgive me mailing list Gods, but if you are near New Haven, CT USA check out the Mandrake Campus courses at: http://www.innovationsw.com/training. -Chris Christopher Molnar wrote: 7.3 NO, No, no. 8.0 YES, Yes, yes! Seriously, this will be a lot of major enhancements, this won't be 7.3. And give it a few more months. I am not sure if you already subscribe, but if you find the list Cooker Changelog you can watch the progress. -Chris
