Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Well I am running Mandrake 7.1 I downloaded the rpm version of the "statically linked" Opera version for Linux from their website. It installed without a wimper in Mandrake. Hmmm...curiouser and curiouser. I tried again last night with the same result. BTW, the errors I got were apparently because I was not online when I first started it up and it was trying to get on line. When I went online, these Yep...that'll generate some errors :-) Still got some bugs though. It's also still a beta so it's somewhat bloated over what the release will be. As for bugs, if it can manage to function without crashing it's head and shoulders above Netcrash. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Thank you. Your comments are taken to heart and appreciated. . Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Larry Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2 As a newbie to Linux and a happy user of Mandrake 7.1 I too am waiting eagerly for the new Mandrake. However as a newbie am already concerned about what I would need to do to upgrade to it. Why are you in such a hurry? Just something to think about. Most seasoned Unix users tend to move slowly when it comes to upgrades, not the push and shove to the head of the line that seems to be the case in the Linux world. Why is that? All the horror stories about what you need to do to upgrade a linux kernal strike fear in our newbie hearts. Well, if you do an upgrade to a new distribution of Mandrake you won't have to worry about that at all. If you're going to do a kernal upgrade manually then it helps to have some background in compiling programs. I hope there will be detailed newbie type instructions as what to do to upgrade. Even better news would be that all one needs to do is install the new version over the old one. Here are the instructions to go from 7.0 to 7.1. 1) Make system bootable from a CD. 2) Stick CD in and reboot. 3) Select "upgrade" 4) Read a good Linux book until the process is complete I suspect you can hang onto these instructions Jeff; they'll work from 7.1 to 7.2 as well I'm sure :-) Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? If they're just starting the process of burning CDs you can bet that it'll be a couple months before new distros are released. Cheers --- Larry ps - I'm as interested as you in 7.2 as I've looked at the beta and it's got some neat stuff in it. Just poking fun a bit, though my comments about constantly upgrading do have merit I think.
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Funny you mentioned Opera. I installed its rpm yesterday (the one that included all the necessary subfiles) on my Mandrake 7.1, but though it's screen looks great on opening up, it starts with "internal error 32868" and later with "internal error 32878", many features are non functional and essentially I find it non usable at present. A newbie's $0.02 Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Larry Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2 I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Shame on you Paul. You must be doing actual work on your computer :-) Like you, I'm pretty happy with 7.1 myself. My principal interest in 7.2 is to see KDE2.0 but I'll put it on a non-work machine for a while before upgrading my work machine. Cheers --- Larry ps - thanks for the mention of Opera as you've moved "check out Opera" higher on the "to do" list.
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Larry said:: Here are the instructions to go from 7.0 to 7.1. 1) Make system bootable from a CD. 2) Stick CD in and reboot. 3) Select "upgrade" 4) Read a good Linux book until the process is complete I suspect you can hang onto these instructions Jeff; they'll work from 7.1 to 7.2 as well I'm sure :-) now, this may be really dumb, but understand i've been using windoze i know... the shame. one day i hope to be a real computer user.. so when one does the upgrade option with mandrake, when it's finished all of your exiting installed programs will still work? and all of your user preferences will still exist? and all the little tweaks and changes you have made will still be there?? this sounds simply too good to be true. me thinks it could be a dream.. but i'm hoping it's not.=) thanks much Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
so when one does the upgrade option with mandrake, when it's finished all of your exiting installed programs will still work? and all of your user preferences will still exist? and all the little tweaks and changes you have made will still be there?? this sounds simply too good to be true. me thinks it could be a dream.. but i'm hoping it's not.=) I've only done it once but that seemed to be the case. The problem with the process is that it takes hours (or so it seems) for the upgrade process to plough through everything necessary to check to see that everything is "ok". Truthfully, I'm moving pretty much into the camp that Tom Brinkman described. I have distribution that establishes most of my software, a short list of things I need to set once it's installed and a couple programs on another CD to install. Then I'm good to go. I did it just last week and it took me just over an hour, starting with swapping around partitions and reformatting. Realize that I've also got all my config files backed up so I simply execute all of the programs, like Pine, that self-install on first use and then copy my config files into my home directory. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Adrian: I just looked at my notes from when I upgraded last summer. It went pretty smoothly, but very, very slowly. I was accustomed to doing fresh installs in about 45 minutes, so I wasn't prepared for what may have been an all night session. I started at 10 pm. An hour later, the installer said that it needed another 3:45 hours. I went to bed and finished up the next day. There were a few minor tweaks, but some (all?) of them were to take advantage of some of the new features. Given that my 7.0 (workstation) installation was pretty much plain vanilla, I don't have a good explanation other than Mandrake seemed to be checking every installed file against everything that was going to be installed. Ymmv -- I hope so. If it goes any slower, you'll be able to write a Linux book. Has anyone else had this same experience? If not, any comments as to where I went wrong would be welcome. Oh yeah, at the time, I was running an AMD K6-2 300, 64 mb RAM, and Mandrake had it's own 6.4 gb 33 UDMA drive. Regards, Carroll Adrian Smith wrote: Larry said:: Here are the instructions to go from 7.0 to 7.1. 1) Make system bootable from a CD. 2) Stick CD in and reboot. 3) Select "upgrade" 4) Read a good Linux book until the process is complete I suspect you can hang onto these instructions Jeff; they'll work from 7.1 to 7.2 as well I'm sure :-) now, this may be really dumb, but understand i've been using windoze i know... the shame. one day i hope to be a real computer user.. so when one does the upgrade option with mandrake, when it's finished all of your exiting installed programs will still work? and all of your user preferences will still exist? and all the little tweaks and changes you have made will still be there?? this sounds simply too good to be true. me thinks it could be a dream.. but i'm hoping it's not.=) thanks much Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:45:10 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: Funny you mentioned Opera. I installed its rpm yesterday (the one that included all the necessary subfiles) on my Mandrake 7.1, but though it's screen looks great on opening up, it starts with "internal error 32868" and later with "internal error 32878", many features are non functional and essentially I find it non usable at present. Well...you're one up on me Jeff. Where did you get your rpm file? I thought I had it (assumed it was in the "web browser" directory on the disk that came with the Linux Format. Guess it was something about the big logo telling me that the "roundup" was on the CD that misled me :-) Anyways, I went to opera.com and found it "odd." They point out that if I can't find a compiled version for "my distribution" that I can download the source. Then they proceed to give me download choices that don't indicate what they were compiled for :-) It's suggested that it's been tested for Red Hat but I downloaded both the dynamic and static rpms andall attempts to extract anything from them were met with "compiled for a different achitecture." Odd that. Cheers --- Larry I found the RPM at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Well I am running Mandrake 7.1 I downloaded the rpm version of the "statically linked" Opera version for Linux from their website. It installed without a wimper in Mandrake. BTW, the errors I got were apparently because I was not online when I first started it up and it was trying to get on line. When I went online, these errors dissappeared and I was then able to change the default homepage so I can start it up without being online. Still got some bugs though. Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Larry Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2 Funny you mentioned Opera. I installed its rpm yesterday (the one that included all the necessary subfiles) on my Mandrake 7.1, but though it's screen looks great on opening up, it starts with "internal error 32868" and later with "internal error 32878", many features are non functional and essentially I find it non usable at present. Well...you're one up on me Jeff. Where did you get your rpm file? I thought I had it (assumed it was in the "web browser" directory on the disk that came with the Linux Format. Guess it was something about the big logo telling me that the "roundup" was on the CD that misled me :-) Anyways, I went to opera.com and found it "odd." They point out that if I can't find a compiled version for "my distribution" that I can download the source. Then they proceed to give me download choices that don't indicate what they were compiled for :-) It's suggested that it's been tested for Red Hat but I downloaded both the dynamic and static rpms andall attempts to extract anything from them were met with "compiled for a different achitecture." Odd that. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Larry Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2 Funny you mentioned Opera. I installed its rpm yesterday (the one that included all the necessary subfiles) on my Mandrake 7.1, but though it's screen looks great on opening up, it starts with "internal error 32868" and later with "internal error 32878", many features are non functional and essentially I find it non usable at present. Well...you're one up on me Jeff. Where did you get your rpm file? I thought I had it (assumed it was in the "web browser" directory on the disk that came with the Linux Format. Guess it was something about the big logo telling me that the "roundup" was on the CD that misled me :-) Anyways, I went to opera.com and found it "odd." They point out that if I can't find a compiled version for "my distribution" that I can download the source. Then they proceed to give me download choices that don't indicate what they were compiled for :-) It's suggested that it's been tested for Red Hat but I downloaded both the dynamic and static rpms andall attempts to extract anything from them were met with "compiled for a different achitecture." Odd that. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Try this site. http://sunsite.auc.dk/linux-newbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Malka Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2 As a newbie to Linux and a happy user of Mandrake 7.1 I too am waiting eagerly for the new Mandrake. However as a newbie am already concerned about what I would need to do to upgrade to it. All the horror stories about what you need to do to upgrade a linux kernal strike fear in our newbie hearts. I hope there will be detailed newbie type instructions as what to do to upgrade. Even better news would be that all one needs to do is install the new version over the old one. Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? Thanks. Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 Why don't we just wait for a few more days and see both the KDE2-final and 7.2 final: comparing what we ship with what KDE-team will ship as "official" will be very simple (using diff, and/or testing both on a running system), THEN we can talk about how good (or bad) have we made a job... cu Denis
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
It was Oct 10, 2000, 08:30, when Jeff Malka keyboarded: Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? I have to grin about this all... Why is everyone so eager to get to the next generation of Mandrake? Are so many people so unsatisfied with the current version? I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Paul -- You have triggered an idiot-alarm. Please step away from the computer. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? I have to grin about this all... Why is everyone so eager to get to the next generation of Mandrake? Are so many people so unsatisfied with the current version? I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) I'm running 7.0, and would be grateful for better USB support, so I for one am really looking forward to upgrading. BUT I would sooner wait a few weeks for a STABLE release than a hurried buggy rush-job... Just my $0.02 (Florida residents add 7% Sales Tax). Regards, Ozz.
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
[snip] I have to grin about this all... Why is everyone so eager to get to the next generation of Mandrake? Are so many people so unsatisfied with the current version? I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) [snip] PaulI don't think the excitement that you sense here has anything at all to do with dissatisfaction with the current release. I believe that it's because the folks who are excited are ready to explore something new, interesting and more powerful. The next Mandrake release promises to be just that and the anticipation of the imminent release is exciting. Alan
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
I'm happy too. I am just looking for an easy way to get KDE 2 and both the new browser and the new suite of apps. I want to be "happier still". :-)) Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2 It was Oct 10, 2000, 08:30, when Jeff Malka keyboarded: Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? I have to grin about this all... Why is everyone so eager to get to the next generation of Mandrake? Are so many people so unsatisfied with the current version? I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Paul -- You have triggered an idiot-alarm. Please step away from the computer. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
RE: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
I have to grin about this all... Why is everyone so eager to get to the next generation of Mandrake? Are so many people so unsatisfied with the current version? I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Paul Well, I have to say that the shiny new 7.2 will have quite a few improvements (if you're interested, check out the 7.2 beta 3 which is out now). That in itself is pretty exciting to me! Mike
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Paul wrote: It was Oct 10, 2000, 08:30, when Jeff Malka keyboarded: Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Paul -- You have triggered an idiot-alarm. Please step away from the computer. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=- Me too, but now you say I have to step away from the computer, just when I was getting the hang of this. Rats! -- Dennis M. a registered Linux User #180842
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
As a newbie to Linux and a happy user of Mandrake 7.1 I too am waiting eagerly for the new Mandrake. However as a newbie am already concerned about what I would need to do to upgrade to it. Why are you in such a hurry? Just something to think about. Most seasoned Unix users tend to move slowly when it comes to upgrades, not the push and shove to the head of the line that seems to be the case in the Linux world. Why is that? All the horror stories about what you need to do to upgrade a linux kernal strike fear in our newbie hearts. Well, if you do an upgrade to a new distribution of Mandrake you won't have to worry about that at all. If you're going to do a kernal upgrade manually then it helps to have some background in compiling programs. I hope there will be detailed newbie type instructions as what to do to upgrade. Even better news would be that all one needs to do is install the new version over the old one. Here are the instructions to go from 7.0 to 7.1. 1) Make system bootable from a CD. 2) Stick CD in and reboot. 3) Select "upgrade" 4) Read a good Linux book until the process is complete I suspect you can hang onto these instructions Jeff; they'll work from 7.1 to 7.2 as well I'm sure :-) Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? If they're just starting the process of burning CDs you can bet that it'll be a couple months before new distros are released. Cheers --- Larry ps - I'm as interested as you in 7.2 as I've looked at the beta and it's got some neat stuff in it. Just poking fun a bit, though my comments about constantly upgrading do have merit I think.
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Shame on you Paul. You must be doing actual work on your computer :-) Like you, I'm pretty happy with 7.1 myself. My principal interest in 7.2 is to see KDE2.0 but I'll put it on a non-work machine for a while before upgrading my work machine. Cheers --- Larry ps - thanks for the mention of Opera as you've moved "check out Opera" higher on the "to do" list.
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
I'm running 7.0, and would be grateful for better USB support, so I for one am really looking forward to upgrading. Wasn't 7.1 supposed to provide better USB support than 7.0? Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, you wrote: It was Oct 10, 2000, 08:30, when Jeff Malka keyboarded: Why don't we just wait for a few more days and . What is "a few days more"? When can we expect it? I have to grin about this all... Why is everyone so eager to get to the next generation of Mandrake? Are so many people so unsatisfied with the current version? I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Paul -- You have triggered an idiot-alarm. Please step away from the computer. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=- I agree 100% although I have to admit I want to sneak a peak at 7.2. But until I get my cable (sometime around the begining of 2001) I will be more than happy with my 7.1 and how great it runs. BTW Paul, great signature!
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
It was Oct 10, 2000, 16:41, when Larry Marshall keyboarded: I'm happily chugging along on MDK7.1. My computers have never run so well on any other OS... :) Shame on you Paul. You must be doing actual work on your computer :-) Like you, I'm pretty happy with 7.1 myself. My principal interest in 7.2 is to see KDE2.0 but I'll put it on a non-work machine for a while before upgrading my work machine. Yup, I do real things with my computer. I manage websites for people, program things and stuff like that. I am not waiting for KDE2 though. I use XFCE and happy with it :) ps - thanks for the mention of Opera as you've moved "check out Opera" higher on the "to do" list. :-) Paul -- VENI, VIDI, VICE I came, I saw, I partied. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
:~Have a good look at :~http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=2928103525mode=flat. :~This was written by Deno (a Mandrakesoft employee) on Thursday September 28. In :~this he writes, "we have to finish our ISO-images by the end of next week". So :~LM 7.2 could be out any time now. FYI: It still isn't out. :~One interesting point though. If you read the article, you will see that 7.2 :~will contain a *beta* of KDE2. There will be a version 7.21 after KDE2 is :~officially released (currently October 16), so it may be better to wait a few :~extra weeks. Please don't mistake what I say with official announcements. One is sure now: 7.2 will NOT contain beta of KDE2, because we have RC1 of KDE2 in it for several days already. We'll see for the rest. Hint: what I was talking about in the forum is not something Mandrakesoft is eager to do - our goal is to produce a nicely-working distro, not put something with lot of known bugs out. Why don't we just wait for a few more days and see both the KDE2-final and 7.2 final: comparing what we ship with what KDE-team will ship as "official" will be very simple (using diff, and/or testing both on a running system), THEN we can talk about how good (or bad) have we made a job... cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- The mailserver is on strike. It wants better working conditions, paid days off and a female connector. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
Have a good look at http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=2928103525mode=flat. This was written by Deno (a Mandrakesoft employee) on Thursday September 28. In this he writes, "we have to finish our ISO-images by the end of next week". So LM 7.2 could be out any time now. One interesting point though. If you read the article, you will see that 7.2 will contain a *beta* of KDE2. There will be a version 7.21 after KDE2 is officially released (currently October 16), so it may be better to wait a few extra weeks. On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: I heard sometime around December this year. -- Mark On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 9:02am ,George Labuschagne spake passionately in a message: Good Day Does anybody know what the estimated release date for LM7.2 is? -- _ Sridhar Dhanapalan Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! _
Re: [newbie] Release date for 7.2
I heard sometime around December this year. -- Mark /* I never worry about the to-jams. * Once I've stuck my foot in my mouth * it's already too late...just make sure * you chew them thoroughly before swallowing! */ Registered Linux user #182496 * Pine 4.21 * On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 9:02am ,George Labuschagne spake passionately in a message: Good Day Does anybody know what the estimated release date for LM7.2 is? ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service
