Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-07 Thread Thereidos
W licie z czw, 07-10-2004, godz. 00:09, Stew Benedict pisze: 
 Duplicate your current lilo stanza you use to boot, and add 5 in the 
 append= line, giving it a new label (don't forget to rerun lilo after 
 editing)

So it would look like this:
image=/boot/vmlinuz
label=linux
root=/dev/hda7
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
append=5 devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda6 splash=silent
vga=788
read-only
Right?
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-07 Thread Stew Benedict

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Thereidos wrote:

 W li6cie z czw, 07-10-2004, godz. 00:09, Stew Benedict pisze: 
  Duplicate your current lilo stanza you use to boot, and add 5 in the 
  append= line, giving it a new label (don't forget to rerun lilo after 
  editing)
 
 So it would look like this:
 image=/boot/vmlinuz
 label=linux
 root=/dev/hda7
 initrd=/boot/initrd.img
 append=5 devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda6 splash=silent
 vga=788
 read-only

Except if you already have a linux entry, you'd want to name this one 
differently. Name is arbitrary, linux5 would work.  Then make whichever 
one you want the default at the top of lilo.conf.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-07 Thread Thereidos
W licie z czw, 07-10-2004, godz. 22:25, Stew Benedict pisze: 
 On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Thereidos wrote:
 
  W li6cie z czw, 07-10-2004, godz. 00:09, Stew Benedict pisze: 
   Duplicate your current lilo stanza you use to boot, and add 5 in the 
   append= line, giving it a new label (don't forget to rerun lilo after 
   editing)
  
  So it would look like this:
  image=/boot/vmlinuz
  label=linux
  root=/dev/hda7
  initrd=/boot/initrd.img
  append=5 devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda6 splash=silent
  vga=788
  read-only
 
 Except if you already have a linux entry, you'd want to name this one 
 differently. Name is arbitrary, linux5 would work.  Then make whichever 
 one you want the default at the top of lilo.conf.

I've forgot to change the name :) Alright. Thanks all of you.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-06 Thread Thereidos
W licie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 23:10, Hoyt Bailey pisze: 
 Couldn't you set things so your father logs in to run level 5 while you 
 can log into run level 3  I have no idea how to do that however.

I don't think this is possible. Or maybe? If this is possible to run
linux exclusively in runlevel 5 typing 'linux 5' when lilo shows up,
right?, it might be possible to add new entry to do exactly the same.

Thought how to do that?
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-06 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Wednesday 06 October 2004 15:21, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 23:10, Hoyt Bailey pisze:
  Couldn't you set things so your father logs in to run level 5 while
  you can log into run level 3  I have no idea how to do that
  however.

 I don't think this is possible. Or maybe? If this is possible to run
 linux exclusively in runlevel 5 typing 'linux 5' when lilo shows up,
 right?, it might be possible to add new entry to do exactly the same.

 Thought how to do that?
Frankly it is beyond my talent but if you can set stanzas in lilo to 
boot linux, failsafe, etc.  Then it is possiable.  May be a little 
complicated but possiable.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-06 Thread Stew Benedict

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Hoyt Bailey wrote:

 On Wednesday 06 October 2004 15:21, Thereidos wrote:
  W liście z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 23:10, Hoyt Bailey pisze:
   Couldn't you set things so your father logs in to run level 5 while
   you can log into run level 3  I have no idea how to do that
   however.
 
  I don't think this is possible. Or maybe? If this is possible to run
  linux exclusively in runlevel 5 typing 'linux 5' when lilo shows up,
  right?, it might be possible to add new entry to do exactly the same.
 
  Thought how to do that?
 Frankly it is beyond my talent but if you can set stanzas in lilo to 
 boot linux, failsafe, etc.  Then it is possiable.  May be a little 
 complicated but possiable.
 

Duplicate your current lilo stanza you use to boot, and add 5 in the 
append= line, giving it a new label (don't forget to rerun lilo after 
editing)

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Edgars Smits
I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1 I 
can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can see my 
startup is to hit esc once it starts. I then can watch everything come 
up and get dumped into a terminal logon session. In previous versions it 
was terminal from the start.

'Any ideas?
ED
Eric Huff wrote:
I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like
to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm
afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.

Or you could set his account to startx by modifying the
.bash_profile file. 

Add startx in there, and make sure KDE is his default desktop (i
don't at the moment remember how to do that).
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:37, Edgars Smits wrote:
 I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1 I
 can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can see my
 startup is to hit esc once it starts. I then can watch everything come
 up and get dumped into a terminal logon session. In previous versions it
 was terminal from the start.

 'Any ideas?

Your lilo.conf file is specifying a graphics setting on boot.  Remove that 
line and you should boot up in console mode only.  If you post one of your 
entries, I can point out the exact problematic setting.  I don't have those 
on my machine so I don't remember exactly what it is off-hand, something like 
vga=788 or splash=silent, something of that nature.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 14:37, Edgars Smits wrote:
 I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1
 I can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can
 see my startup is to hit esc once it starts. I then can watch
 everything come up and get dumped into a terminal logon session.
 In previous versions it was terminal from the start.

 'Any ideas?


Sometimes it helps to edit /etc/lilo.conf and change the 788 (or 
whatever) mode to 792.  Gives a nicer screen on 1024x768 too.
Don't forget to run lilo after editing.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Thereidos
W licie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 01:00, Stephen Khn pisze: 
  Currently I do have inittab switched to runlevel 3 but to use shutdown
  you need a root access which I won't give my father. Or maybe I'm wrong?
 
 You can use the poweroff or reboot command instead of shutdown -h

I have just noticed that poweroff doesn't require root privileges. Thus
I'll go for that. I think I'll write a simple script for him with the
option to choose whether to reboot or halt, and executing appropriate
command. Less commands he'll have to remember the happier man I will be
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Thereidos
W licie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 02:35, Hoyt Bailey pisze: 
 I think you  are wrong.  As nonroot I click on the KDE logout button 
 select turn computer off and everything goes off except for the 
 monitor. Which I have to turn off. Gnome has a logout icon also which 
 works simular.  Shutdown does the same but you have to be root to use 
 that.

You're right. That was the reason why I thought about switching back to
init 5. But it looks like this options executes poweroff/reboot while
shutdown do require root privileges.

Normally - if you have set to boot to runlevel 3 - when you manually
start kde/gnome/any other DE logging out does not give you an option to
shutdown/reboot but it only... logs you out :)
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Edgars Smits
It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that set I 
get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init starts it goes 
to a light blue screen with a bar area in the middle that never actually 
fills in as it boots, the words Community 10.1 with a graphic line, 
that's it, it doesn't even say hit ESC for details like it used to, 
however ESC does work.

In previous versions I have had the graphic LILO start that then drops 
me to a true text mode boot, no graphics or blue screens.

In MCC I have Boot Theme turned off, no auto-login with or without 
graphical start, and when the boot finishes I do get dumped into a semi 
text mode - the blue screen is still there with the crappy logo, the 
text mode rides on top of it. How do I turn the damn thing off?

ED
Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:37, Edgars Smits wrote:
I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1 I
can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can see my
startup is to hit esc once it starts. I then can watch everything come
up and get dumped into a terminal logon session. In previous versions it
was terminal from the start.
'Any ideas?

Your lilo.conf file is specifying a graphics setting on boot.  Remove that 
line and you should boot up in console mode only.  If you post one of your 
entries, I can point out the exact problematic setting.  I don't have those 
on my machine so I don't remember exactly what it is off-hand, something like 
vga=788 or splash=silent, something of that nature.



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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 05 Oct 2004 15:42, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 02:35, Hoyt Bailey pisze:
  I think you  are wrong.  As nonroot I click on the KDE logout button
  select turn computer off and everything goes off except for the
  monitor. Which I have to turn off. Gnome has a logout icon also which
  works simular.  Shutdown does the same but you have to be root to use
  that.

 You're right. That was the reason why I thought about switching back to
 init 5.

No - there's an option somewhere to allow users to shutdown - from kde I think 
it's in the Login Manager.  I shutdown as user.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Paul
Op Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:46:29 -0400 schreef Edgars Smits:

In MCC I have Boot Theme turned off, no auto-login with or without 
graphical start, and when the boot finishes I do get dumped into a semi
text mode - the blue screen is still there with the crappy logo, the 
text mode rides on top of it. How do I turn the damn thing off?

Check /etc/inittab and make sure that your init mode is set to 3. If
that is not what you want, I would not know. But that is how my PC
starts in a proper textmode.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Edgars Smits
It is set to 3. I've done 2 complete clean installs of 10.1 CE, both 
ended up the same, never had this problem with 10,0 or versions prior to 
this.

ED
Paul wrote:
Op Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:46:29 -0400 schreef Edgars Smits:

In MCC I have Boot Theme turned off, no auto-login with or without 
graphical start, and when the boot finishes I do get dumped into a semi
text mode - the blue screen is still there with the crappy logo, the 
text mode rides on top of it. How do I turn the damn thing off?

Check /etc/inittab and make sure that your init mode is set to 3. If
that is not what you want, I would not know. But that is how my PC
starts in a proper textmode.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 10:46, Edgars Smits wrote:
 It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that set I
 get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init starts it goes
 to a light blue screen with a bar area in the middle that never actually
 fills in as it boots, the words Community 10.1 with a graphic line,
 that's it, it doesn't even say hit ESC for details like it used to,
 however ESC does work.

Are you sure that you don't have a vga=788 setting under the append line in 
lilo.conf?  splash=silent is not the one, that has no effect on boot up vga 
mode but the vga=788 line does and if that is there, you will get that menu 
screen.  If there is no vga= line, you should see a pure text bootup.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Edgars Smits
perfect, getting rid of vga=788 did the trick for me.
Many thanks
ED
Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 10:46, Edgars Smits wrote:
It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that set I
get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init starts it goes
to a light blue screen with a bar area in the middle that never actually
fills in as it boots, the words Community 10.1 with a graphic line,
that's it, it doesn't even say hit ESC for details like it used to,
however ESC does work.

Are you sure that you don't have a vga=788 setting under the append line in 
lilo.conf?  splash=silent is not the one, that has no effect on boot up vga 
mode but the vga=788 line does and if that is there, you will get that menu 
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 16:46, Edgars Smits wrote:

snip
 It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that
 set I get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init
 starts it goes to a light blue screen with a bar area in the
 middle that never actually fills in as it boots, the words
 Community 10.1 with a graphic line, that's it, it doesn't even
 say hit ESC for details like it used to, however ESC does work.
/snip

Well, my system boots just the way you want, I think.
My /etc/lilo.conf looks like this :

# File generated by DrakX/drakboot
# WARNING: do not forget to run lilo after modifying this file

default=linux
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
keytable=/boot/dk-latin1.klt
prompt
nowarn
timeout=40
message=/boot/message
menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
image=/boot/vmlinuz
label=linux
root=/dev/hda5
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
append=devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hda6 
vga=792
read-only

And so on and so forth..

I don't have the splash=silent statement either. And, honestly, I 
don't know what resume does ? - Havent' seen it in other 
versions.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-05 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 09:42, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 02:35, Hoyt Bailey pisze:
  I think you  are wrong.  As nonroot I click on the KDE logout
  button select turn computer off and everything goes off except for
  the monitor. Which I have to turn off. Gnome has a logout icon also
  which works simular.  Shutdown does the same but you have to be
  root to use that.

 You're right. That was the reason why I thought about switching back
 to init 5. But it looks like this options executes poweroff/reboot
 while shutdown do require root privileges.

 Normally - if you have set to boot to runlevel 3 - when you manually
 start kde/gnome/any other DE logging out does not give you an option
 to shutdown/reboot but it only... logs you out :)
Couldn't you set things so your father logs in to run level 5 while you 
can log into run level 3  I have no idea how to do that however.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Monday 04 October 2004 22:12, Thereidos wrote:
 Hi there.

 Sorry if this question has been asked before bit I haven't
 noticed it in archive.

 The question is simple: how can I manually turn off starting X
 server during the boot up? I know it can be done in MCC but I'd
 like to learn how to do this manually.

Two ways : 
To make the change permanent, edit your /etc/inittab and replace 
the :5 with a :3 in the runlevel section.

To boot into the CLI only occasionally, just at the bootsplash hit 
F1 (or eventually Esc) and type : linux 3.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Thereidos
W licie z pon, 04-10-2004, godz. 22:16, Kaj Haulrich pisze: 
 On Monday 04 October 2004 22:12, Thereidos wrote:
  Hi there.
 
  Sorry if this question has been asked before bit I haven't
  noticed it in archive.
 
  The question is simple: how can I manually turn off starting X
  server during the boot up? I know it can be done in MCC but I'd
  like to learn how to do this manually.
 
 Two ways : 
 To make the change permanent, edit your /etc/inittab and replace 
 the :5 with a :3 in the runlevel section.
 
 To boot into the CLI only occasionally, just at the bootsplash hit 
 F1 (or eventually Esc) and type : linux 3.

Thanks.
I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like to have
an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm afraid I'll
have to change inittab back to 5.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Monday 04 October 2004 23:39, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z pon, 04-10-2004, godz. 22:16, Kaj Haulrich pisze:
  On Monday 04 October 2004 22:12, Thereidos wrote:
   Hi there.
  
   Sorry if this question has been asked before bit I haven't
   noticed it in archive.
  
   The question is simple: how can I manually turn off starting
   X server during the boot up? I know it can be done in MCC but
   I'd like to learn how to do this manually.
 
  Two ways :
  To make the change permanent, edit your /etc/inittab and
  replace the :5 with a :3 in the runlevel section.
 
  To boot into the CLI only occasionally, just at the bootsplash
  hit F1 (or eventually Esc) and type : linux 3.

 Thanks.
 I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like
 to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm
 afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.

Why not boot into runlevel 3 on a permanent basis ? - I am sure your 
father can learn to type : Xtart.

Xtart is a small program written by the venerable Civileme (of this 
list fame - where is he ???). It presents you with a numbered text 
menu from which to choose your favoured desktop environment.

So, just urpmi xtart and edit /etc/inittab to runlevel 3.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Thereidos
W licie z pon, 04-10-2004, godz. 23:53, Kaj Haulrich pisze: 
  Thanks.
  I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like
  to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm
  afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.
 
 Why not boot into runlevel 3 on a permanent basis ? - I am sure your 
 father can learn to type : Xtart.
 
 Xtart is a small program written by the venerable Civileme (of this 
 list fame - where is he ???). It presents you with a numbered text 
 menu from which to choose your favoured desktop environment.
 
 So, just urpmi xtart and edit /etc/inittab to runlevel 3.

Yeah, I know Xtart. In fact I have suggested this app to someone else on
this list yesterday :)

Currently I do have inittab switched to runlevel 3 but to use shutdown
you need a root access which I won't give my father. Or maybe I'm wrong?
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 00:32, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z pon, 04-10-2004, godz. 23:53, Kaj Haulrich pisze:
   Thanks.
   I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would
   like to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :)
   Thus I'm afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.
 
  Why not boot into runlevel 3 on a permanent basis ? - I am sure
  your father can learn to type : Xtart.
 
  Xtart is a small program written by the venerable Civileme (of
  this list fame - where is he ???). It presents you with a
  numbered text menu from which to choose your favoured desktop
  environment.
 
  So, just urpmi xtart and edit /etc/inittab to runlevel 3.

 Yeah, I know Xtart. In fact I have suggested this app to someone
 else on this list yesterday :)

 Currently I do have inittab switched to runlevel 3 but to use
 shutdown you need a root access which I won't give my father. Or
 maybe I'm wrong?

If I'm not mistaken you can add your father to the shutdown group.

HTH
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 00:32, Thereidos wrote:
 Currently I do have inittab switched to runlevel 3 but to use shutdown
 you need a root access which I won't give my father. Or maybe I'm wrong?

Let him use halt (without the quotes) 
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 08:32, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z pon, 04-10-2004, godz. 23:53, Kaj Haulrich pisze: 
   Thanks.
   I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like
   to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm
   afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.
  
  Why not boot into runlevel 3 on a permanent basis ? - I am sure your 
  father can learn to type : Xtart.
  
  Xtart is a small program written by the venerable Civileme (of this 
  list fame - where is he ???). It presents you with a numbered text 
  menu from which to choose your favoured desktop environment.
  
  So, just urpmi xtart and edit /etc/inittab to runlevel 3.
 
 Yeah, I know Xtart. In fact I have suggested this app to someone else on
 this list yesterday :)
 
 Currently I do have inittab switched to runlevel 3 but to use shutdown
 you need a root access which I won't give my father. Or maybe I'm wrong?

You can use the poweroff or reboot command instead of shutdown -h

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Monday 04 October 2004 17:32, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z pon, 04-10-2004, godz. 23:53, Kaj Haulrich pisze:
   Thanks.
   I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like
   to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm
   afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.
 
  Why not boot into runlevel 3 on a permanent basis ? - I am sure
  your father can learn to type : Xtart.
 
  Xtart is a small program written by the venerable Civileme (of this
  list fame - where is he ???). It presents you with a numbered text
  menu from which to choose your favoured desktop environment.
 
  So, just urpmi xtart and edit /etc/inittab to runlevel 3.

 Yeah, I know Xtart. In fact I have suggested this app to someone else
 on this list yesterday :)

 Currently I do have inittab switched to runlevel 3 but to use
 shutdown you need a root access which I won't give my father. Or
 maybe I'm wrong?
I think you  are wrong.  As nonroot I click on the KDE logout button 
select turn computer off and everything goes off except for the 
monitor. Which I have to turn off. Gnome has a logout icon also which 
works simular.  Shutdown does the same but you have to be root to use 
that.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

2004-10-04 Thread Eric Huff
 I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like
 to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm
 afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.

Or you could set his account to startx by modifying the
.bash_profile file. 

Add startx in there, and make sure KDE is his default desktop (i
don't at the moment remember how to do that).

eric

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