RE: [newbie] kernel update configure
On Mon, 17 May 1999, James J. Capone wrote: format /mbr will restore the MBR not sure about the FDISK one though. I just use the format mbr here at work when needed. I've never used the format /mbr, but I can vouch for fdisk /mbr. :)
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: James, Why can't I just delete this file that was created by the LILO install, I assume its a hidden file on my C drive? Any thing to do with format, makes me believe it wipes the MBR clean. Because LILO is *ON* your MBR, so it must be removed from there. It isn't part of the directory structure of files stored on your harddrive. I'm not familiar with format /mbr, as perhaps it's from another DOS version -- I've used fdisk /mbr in similiar situations as yours and don't forsee a problem.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Will - Original Message - From: Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: [newbie] kernel update configure OK, here goes...I'm jumping into Linux. Looks like an interesting operating system and besides, I think MS is at least arrogant and perhaps monopolistic, so we need to find something better. I am not an administrator and never will be, but I would like to use and learn the system as I believe the future may belong to an open system. I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
"Donald J. Taylor" wrote: So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. Why do you think you want to upgrade the kernel? No, I'm not trying to be a quasi-psychoanalyst, just trying to understand. If you want to do it just to have done it, that's one thing (and it might be best to wait a while, until you know the OS better); if you need an upgraded kernel for some reason, that's another issue. In any case, what you found in /proc is not the same as what's supposed to be in /usr/src/linux. The /proc filesystem is artificial, and /proc/sys/kernel is what is actually running as the kernel on your system--it's not a file, it's actually the kernel image in your machine's memory. What's in /usr/src/linux is the kernel source code (if you installed the kernel-source package). The kernel file on your system is probably at /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36-something. Before proceeding, make sure you have a working boot disk, so if you mess something up, you can still bring your system up. Don't ask me how I know this. To upgrade to 2.2.x, first go to one of the mandrake mirrors, in the updates/kernel2.2 directory, and read (and print) the README file. Then go to updates/kernel2.2/RPMS/updates, and download the packages that README says you'll need--initscripts, linux_logo, modutils, mount, net-tools, and util-linux are needed, and possibly others as well. For the kernel itself, you have two options. First, you can download kernel-2.2.5-5mdk.i386.rpm from updates/kernel2.2/RPMS/kernel, if you just want to upgrade to 2.2.x, but don't want (or need) to compile a whole new kernel. Second, if you need (or want) to compile the whole thing from source (which I did), you can download the whole source tarball from a local ftp.kernel.org mirror (it's about 12 megs; you'll probably want linux-2.2.9.tar.gz unless you've installed bzip2 on your system). Once you've got all of that, install it, according to the directions you've already downloaded. I did not lose network services after upgrading (once I was able to get the machine to boot at all--see my earlier post on this subject). BTW, could you turn on line wrapping in your mail program? Thanks! -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
RE: [newbie] kernel update configure
well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader. But Patience is a virtue. Also I am non of the people you listed in your reply and Love running Linux. Once it can be used as a full game station then I will fully convert over. James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 5:35 PM, Pliler Main Unit [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Will - Original Message - From: Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: [newbie] kernel update configure OK, here goes...I'm jumping into Linux. Looks like an interesting operating system and besides, I think MS is at least arrogant and perhaps monopolistic, so we need to find something better. I am not an administrator and never will be, but I would like to use and learn the system as I believe the future may belong to an open system. I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
-Original Message- Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. If you view the contents of the CD in windows (if its still on your machine), you will see that there are HTML files on it. These are copies of the manual that Redhat used paper to print and some people never look at. Its a waste if not used. Using your browser of choice you can view these pages, which have been altered to reflect the changes made by Mandrake. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... Again look at the CD for the appropriate docs. Also see the many HOWTOs on the net and you made a good step coming here. I have learned a ton reading about the problems of others. There are a couple of not-so-newbies here answering the harder questions, the rest we help each other. So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? If you go to www.linux-mandrake.com there is a link on the main page to info on upgrading. See the left hand side of the page. I looked at it but haven't used it yet. The instructions seemed clear and there is another link to follow to find the current downloadable kernel RPM for Mandrake. Your almost there. Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED] Us newbies need to stick together and help each other. That being said I got a problem with Rip "A mind is a terrible thing."
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Pliler Main Unit wrote: But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. Define "nothing". Lots of stuff is installed w/ mandrake by default (like netscape)--does that work? If not, what happens? If it works but other stuff doesn't, _what_ other stuff doesn't work, and what happens when you try? I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . All OSs have a Hardware Compatibility List, and if something isn't on the list, it's a fair bet it won't work. If the use of the USB modem was critical to you, why didn't you check out the Linux HCL before installing? Or, just set it up as a dual-boot, and use both OSs as needed (I think most Linux users set up their machines this way). Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. Intelligence has little to do with the it; it's more an issue of knowledge and attitude. If you start with the attitude that Linux ought to work instantly with all your hardware, without any tweaking, no matter how wierd your hardware is, and that everybody else ought to hand you all the answers on a silver platter, you won't get far with Linux (or anything else, most likely). If you figure from the outset that the system is very different from Windows (which it is, and always will be, no matter how close the UI comes), and that you'll need to learn a lot to be able to use it effectively, you'll do much better. As to the "code writers, programmer's" remark, hardly. I don't even think I'm a "supergeek", though some people might disagree with me there... For most tasks, you just have to be patient, find, and read the documentation. Again, when you set up a Linux box, you _are_ a system administrator, whether you want to be or not, and you need to act like one. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Boot from a MS-DOS floppy with FDISK.EXE on it, and type FDISK /MBR. -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader. But Patience is a virtue. Also I am non of the people you listed in your reply and Love running Linux. Once it can be used as a full game station then I will fully convert over. James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 5:35 PM, Pliler Main Unit [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Will - Original Message - From: Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: [newbie] kernel update configure OK, here goes...I'm jumping into Linux. Looks like an interesting operating system and besides, I think MS is at least arrogant and perhaps monopolistic, so we need to find something better. I am not an administrator and never will be, but I would like to use and learn the system as I believe the future may belong to an open system. I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under ma
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Hi Dan, I think I'm hopeless. What I mean, I tried to play the CD player, didn't work, altho its installed same with all other desktop apps , they seem have been installed, but don't seem to function. The only thing I've made work, is I know I can get some sound, and I mad e my printer print. The rest,is just some vast unknown, of what I could be capable of doing but don't know how. This was all in the x window , KDE desktop, I see lots of icons, and they won't operate anything. Will - Original Message - From: Dan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update configure Pliler Main Unit wrote: But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. Define "nothing". Lots of stuff is installed w/ mandrake by default (like netscape)--does that work? If not, what happens? If it works but other stuff doesn't, _what_ other stuff doesn't work, and what happens when you try? I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . All OSs have a Hardware Compatibility List, and if something isn't on the list, it's a fair bet it won't work. If the use of the USB modem was critical to you, why didn't you check out the Linux HCL before installing? Or, just set it up as a dual-boot, and use both OSs as needed (I think most Linux users set up their machines this way). Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. Intelligence has little to do with the it; it's more an issue of knowledge and attitude. If you start with the attitude that Linux ought to work instantly with all your hardware, without any tweaking, no matter how wierd your hardware is, and that everybody else ought to hand you all the answers on a silver platter, you won't get far with Linux (or anything else, most likely). If you figure from the outset that the system is very different from Windows (which it is, and always will be, no matter how close the UI comes), and that you'll need to learn a lot to be able to use it effectively, you'll do much better. As to the "code writers, programmer's" remark, hardly. I don't even think I'm a "supergeek", though some people might disagree with me there... For most tasks, you just have to be patient, find, and read the documentation. Again, when you set up a Linux box, you _are_ a system administrator, whether you want to be or not, and you need to act like one. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Boot from a MS-DOS floppy with FDISK.EXE on it, and type FDISK /MBR. -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
-Original Message- Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you view the contents of the CD in windows (if its still on your machine), you will see that there are HTML files on it. These are copies of the manual that Redhat used paper to print and some people never look at. Its a waste if not used. Using your browser of choice you can view these pages, which have been altered to reflect the changes made by Mandrake. ^^^ Don, I beg to differ! I see nothing in these pages to indicate they have been changed at all by Mandrake. Being one of the rare breed who actually read manuals, I've noticed there is quite a difference 'tween RedHat 5.2 and Mandrake 5.3. Sussing out the diff's has been quite entertaining. Good thing I have lots of time on my hands. Mandrake does have documentation on the CD. You have to dive into Mandrake/en/userguid to get started, since the index.html file in /Mandrake is BLANK. And then there are the HOW-to's, brought to you by the ad-hoc geek committee. Linux is fun! Lorne.
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Pliler Main Unit wrote: Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. What happens when you try to start a program on the menus? I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Beginning USB support is showing up in the 2.2.x line of kernels, I don't know if modems are supported yet. Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. That's not what Linux is about. However, you can find plenty of helpful information about running/using/configuring Linux in the /usr/doc directories. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Boot into dos and type 'fdisk /mbr' and LILO will disappear. -- Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For safety's sake of Win98 I'd boot to DOS. Then issue commands: cd \windows\command fdisk /mbr That should restore the mbr to boot dos/win. From there you can take care of removing Linux. (all i seem to get with format /mbr is ``invalid switch - /mbr``perhaps this works with other versions?) (I'm running win95 OSR2 4.00.950B) Rob Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: Hi James, and Rob, BTW, I do have Dos on my machine, (windows98), and I certainly don't want to mess this MBR up for it, trying to remove LINUX, so make sure you are telling me the way that only removes it. Thanks Will - Original Message - From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update configure Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
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James, Why can't I just delete this file that was created by the LILO install, I assume its a hidden file on my C drive? Any thing to do with format, makes me believe it wipes the MBR clean. Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure Hello, Well stability for one. No need to reboot everytime you upgrade something. Nothing is hidden from you, Better use of space and speed of your computer. Many other reasons. I guess we all have our reasons one or the other. But if you run the format /mbr that will remove Lilo from your boot record and boot right into Windows 9.xxx Good Luck and sorry Linux didn't work out for you, James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:43 PM, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will
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James, I haven't definitely decided to do away with Linux yet, just want to be able to when or if I decide. Thanks, Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure Hello, Well stability for one. No need to reboot everytime you upgrade something. Nothing is hidden from you, Better use of space and speed of your computer. Many other reasons. I guess we all have our reasons one or the other. But if you run the format /mbr that will remove Lilo from your boot record and boot right into Windows 9.xxx Good Luck and sorry Linux didn't work out for you, James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:43 PM, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will
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fdisk /mbr from the dos prompt will do it. Lyndon Lininger Sr. - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:40 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure format /mbr will restore the MBR not sure about the FDISK one though. I just use the format mbr here at work when needed. James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:45 PM, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
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That is my fault. The one here at work has it as format /mbr for a script file they wrote. It is Fdisk /mbr James On Monday, May 17, 1999 8:03 PM, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: For safety's sake of Win98 I'd boot to DOS. Then issue commands: cd \windows\command fdisk /mbr That should restore the mbr to boot dos/win. From there you can take care of removing Linux. (all i seem to get with format /mbr is ``invalid switch - /mbr``perhaps this works with other versions?) (I'm running win95 OSR2 4.00.950B) Rob Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: Hi James, and Rob, BTW, I do have Dos on my machine, (windows98), and I certainly don't want to mess this MBR up for it, trying to remove LINUX, so make sure you are telling me the way that only removes it. Thanks Will - Original Message - From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update configure Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
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On Mon, 17 May 1999, Donald J. Taylor wrote: then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. /proc/sys/kernel is not a physical location in the hard disk. It is similar to a RAM drive that Linux creates every boot time so that system processes info are accessible from the ext2 filesystem. Your kernel sources are still on the CD. You just need to install them since they are not included during the installation. Gilbert I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You can't access the MBR using delete. When LILO is gone dos should replace it with its own boot record. Format will rebuild it for you without erasing the data in your HD. Gilbert On Mon, 17 May 1999, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: James, Why can't I just delete this file that was created by the LILO install, I assume its a hidden file on my C drive? Any thing to do with format, makes me believe it wipes the MBR clean. Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure Hello, Well stability for one. No need to reboot everytime you upgrade something. Nothing is hidden from you, Better use of space and speed of your computer. Many other reasons. I guess we all have our reasons one or the other. But if you run the format /mbr that will remove Lilo from your boot record and boot right into Windows 9.xxx Good Luck and sorry Linux didn't work out for you, James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:43 PM, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will