Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 08:41 am, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings all, I thought maybe I could do this, but it looks like I was mistaken. I am trying to rebuild a source rpm, and having some problems. I have installed the following packages on my 8.2 system so far in my noob attempts to rebuild src: rpm-build, spec-helper, libtool, XFree86 devel, glibc-devel, kernel-headers, make, gcc, binutils, libbinutils2, automake, autoconf, m4-1.4ppre2-2mdk...and still, no fun! Can anyone help me to do this rebuilding? I will attach the terminal output of my 'rpm --rebuild fluxbox-0.1.12-1mdk.src.rpm' attempt. Also an error.txt file with some additional info. Many TIA's for any feedback. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 Have you installed kernel-source ? That one is needed for sure. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 - Thanks Dennis for the fast reply. No, I haven't installed the kernel-source. I didn't get any messages that it was needed. I will promptly install it, and try my rebuild again! Thanks a lot for the help! I will post back with my results. PS. Are all of the packages that I installed required to rebuild from src? I am a bit concerned about wasting space on my hd w/uneeded packages. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 08:41 am, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings all, I thought maybe I could do this, but it looks like I was mistaken. I am trying to rebuild a source rpm, and having some problems. I have installed the following packages on my 8.2 system so far in my noob attempts to rebuild src: rpm-build, spec-helper, libtool, XFree86 devel, glibc-devel, kernel-headers, make, gcc, binutils, libbinutils2, automake, autoconf, m4-1.4ppre2-2mdk...and still, no fun! Can anyone help me to do this rebuilding? I will attach the terminal output of my 'rpm --rebuild fluxbox-0.1.12-1mdk.src.rpm' attempt. Also an error.txt file with some additional info. Many TIA's for any feedback. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 Have you installed kernel-source ? That one is needed for sure. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
Have you installed kernel-source ? That one is needed for sure. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 - Thanks Dennis for the fast reply. No, I haven't installed the kernel-source. I didn't get any messages that it was needed. I will promptly install it, and try my rebuild again! Thanks a lot for the help! I will post back with my results. PS. Are all of the packages that I installed required to rebuild from src? I am a bit concerned about wasting space on my hd w/uneeded packages. I tried to install kernel-source for my kernel, which is 2.4.18-6mdk, with Software Manager. When I clicked on install, Software Manager was going to install kernel-source for 2.4.18-8.1mdk from my update site ftp.sunet.se!!! What is with that??? I didn't know what to do except XKill SM. I tried it again, and SM wanted to do the same thing...install kernel-source 2.4.18-8.1mdk. I'm stumped with this behaviour from SM. Any thoughts on this? --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 09:35 am, Angus Auld wrote: On Sunday 22 September 2002 08:41 am, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings all, I thought maybe I could do this, but it looks like I was mistaken. I am trying to rebuild a source rpm, and having some problems. I have installed the following packages on my 8.2 system so far in my noob attempts to rebuild src: rpm-build, spec-helper, libtool, XFree86 devel, glibc-devel, kernel-headers, make, gcc, binutils, libbinutils2, automake, autoconf, m4-1.4ppre2-2mdk...and still, no fun! Can anyone help me to do this rebuilding? I will attach the terminal output of my 'rpm --rebuild fluxbox-0.1.12-1mdk.src.rpm' attempt. Also an error.txt file with some additional info. Many TIA's for any feedback. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 Have you installed kernel-source ? That one is needed for sure. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 - Thanks Dennis for the fast reply. No, I haven't installed the kernel-source. I didn't get any messages that it was needed. I will promptly install it, and try my rebuild again! Thanks a lot for the help! I will post back with my results. PS. Are all of the packages that I installed required to rebuild from src? I am a bit concerned about wasting space on my hd w/uneeded packages. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 The only one I don't seem to have installed is make and that is needed for tar files, so I should add it, but I just noticed you didn't list rpm-rebuilder and that should be added. With the header-source and rpm-rebuilder you should be able to install source files. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 10:09 am, Angus Auld wrote: Have you installed kernel-source ? That one is needed for sure. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 - Thanks Dennis for the fast reply. No, I haven't installed the kernel-source. I didn't get any messages that it was needed. I will promptly install it, and try my rebuild again! Thanks a lot for the help! I will post back with my results. PS. Are all of the packages that I installed required to rebuild from src? I am a bit concerned about wasting space on my hd w/uneeded packages. I tried to install kernel-source for my kernel, which is 2.4.18-6mdk, with Software Manager. When I clicked on install, Software Manager was going to install kernel-source for 2.4.18-8.1mdk from my update site ftp.sunet.se!!! What is with that??? I didn't know what to do except XKill SM. I tried it again, and SM wanted to do the same thing...install kernel-source 2.4.18-8.1mdk. I'm stumped with this behaviour from SM. Any thoughts on this? --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 You have an older rpm on the disk and Software Manager sees this since you have the updates or security or bug fix buttons activated. I think you will be fine if you just let it go. It may be a more secure rpm or have a bug fixed in it. It should still be ok. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 9:09 am, Angus Auld wrote: Have you installed kernel-source ? That one is needed for sure. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 - Thanks Dennis for the fast reply. No, I haven't installed the kernel-source. I didn't get any messages that it was needed. I will promptly install it, and try my rebuild again! Thanks a lot for the help! I will post back with my results. PS. Are all of the packages that I installed required to rebuild from src? I am a bit concerned about wasting space on my hd w/uneeded packages. I tried to install kernel-source for my kernel, which is 2.4.18-6mdk, with Software Manager. When I clicked on install, Software Manager was going to install kernel-source for 2.4.18-8.1mdk from my update site ftp.sunet.se!!! What is with that??? I didn't know what to do except XKill SM. I tried it again, and SM wanted to do the same thing...install kernel-source 2.4.18-8.1mdk. I'm stumped with this behaviour from SM. Any thoughts on this? --Angus You're getting close Angus but the kernel you're running is apparently the original 8.2 install kernel and there was an update. The 2.4.18-8.1mdk is the security updated model. The was a notification about this a few months back. This link: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/2002/MDKSA-2002-041.php?dis=8.2 will show the necessary updates and the version numbers to update to. 8.2 is roughly two thirds of the way down the page. The src package the software manager is trying to install is the one in the advisory. Have you been keeping up to date on bugfixes and security fixes? Are you actually still running the older kernel or has it been updated? Try in a terminal typing: uname -r and the version of your running kernel should display. You really don't want to run any mismatches (voice of past experience here :-) when it's easy to get everything current and matched. But you should be running the version that matches the software manager selection in my opinion. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org A computer without COBOL and Fortran is like a piece of chocolate cake without ketchup and mustard. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
--- I tried to install kernel-source for my kernel, which is 2.4.18-6mdk, with Software Manager. When I clicked on install, Software Manager was going to install kernel-source for 2.4.18-8.1mdk from my update site ftp.sunet.se!!! What is with that??? I didn't know what to do except XKill SM. I tried it again, and SM wanted to do the same thing...install kernel-source 2.4.18-8.1mdk. I'm stumped with this behaviour from SM. Any thoughts on this? --Angus You're getting close Angus but the kernel you're running is apparently the original 8.2 install kernel and there was an update. The 2.4.18-8.1mdk is the security updated model. The was a notification about this a few months back. This link: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/2002/MDKSA-2002-041.php?dis=8.2 will show the necessary updates and the version numbers to update to. 8.2 is roughly two thirds of the way down the page. The src package the software manager is trying to install is the one in the advisory. Have you been keeping up to date on bugfixes and security fixes? Are you actually still running the older kernel or has it been updated? Try in a terminal typing: uname -r and the version of your running kernel should display. You really don't want to run any mismatches (voice of past experience here :-) when it's easy to get everything current and matched. But you should be running the version that matches the software manager selection in my opinion. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org A computer without COBOL and Fortran is like a piece of chocolate cake without ketchup and mustard. - Thanks for the valuable info Charlie, I am indeed still running the original 2.4.18-6 kernel. I've only been running Mdk, and Linux in fact, for a few short months now. I guess I missed the update notice from Mdk. That looks like it's going to be a formidable task to update all those packages on a dialup. I have been keeping my system updated w/security and bugfixes that I thought were applicable to me. Do I have to install each of the listed packages manually, or will rpm install them if I update the kernel?? I'm really nervous to mess with the kernel, after reading warnings of danger if you don't know what you're doing (and, I don't know a lot about what I'm doing). Please, if you don't mind, advise. Thanks much. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 10:39 am, Angus Auld wrote: snip Thanks for the valuable info Charlie, I am indeed still running the original 2.4.18-6 kernel. I've only been running Mdk, and Linux in fact, for a few short months now. I guess I missed the update notice from Mdk. That looks like it's going to be a formidable task to update all those packages on a dialup. I have been keeping my system updated w/security and bugfixes that I thought were applicable to me. Do I have to install each of the listed packages manually, or will rpm install them if I update the kernel?? I'm really nervous to mess with the kernel, after reading warnings of danger if you don't know what you're doing (and, I don't know a lot about what I'm doing). Please, if you don't mind, advise. Thanks much. --Angus You're askin' _me_ for advice? ;-) OK. You don't need anything to do with the 2.2.xx kernels since you aren't running that version and have probably never even tried to boot the old kernel anyway. It's still around as a legacy thing as far as I know. Almost all modern hardware is supported in the 2.4 series and that wasn't true of 2.2. So from the list you need only the 2.4.18 rpms. The devfsd also has to be upgraded manually and you have to disable the running version to do it. The easiest way to do the upgrades is to first open the file manager as super user, save a copy of etc/lilo/conf (just in case) and then edit lilo.conf with your favourite editor (kwrite, kate, emacs, vi, whatever you feel comfy with). Change the line that says append=devfs=mount to append=devfs=nomount. Done here for now. Close it all up back to userland. Download: a784430846ca56b52151b64f74744528 8.2/RPMS/devfsd-1.3.25-1.1mdk.i586.rpm 32969698f7badf0c3bc7fa3e4f278977 8.2/RPMS/kernel-2.4.18.8.1mdk-1-3mdk.i586.rpm b40235a56e88bef36e827fd3baec374c 8.2/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.18-8.1mdk.i586.rpm from your update source server. That's still a sizeable download but manageable I suspect. It's trimmed so much 'cause you don't need enterprise, security, smp kernels or the 2.2 series. Be certain you know what directory you've saved them to! I have one I called downloads that is empty unless I'm working with something. Reboot your machine to be sure devfsd isn't running. (the =nomount, remember?) If you log into X automatically you'll want to kill X after you log in. altctrlbackspace should get you there. From the command prompt type su enter then type the root password enter then cd [the directory you saved the new kernel etc in] enter. From that command prompt type the following: rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.18.8.1mdk-1-3mdk.i586.rpm without quotes then hit enter. When that's done type again without quotes: rpm -Fvh devfsd-1.3.25-1.1mdk.i586.rpm enter and: rpm -Fvh kernel-source-2.4.18-8.1mdk.i586.rpm enter Then type: /sbin/lilo -v When these steps are done type exit and you should be back at the user command prompt. Type: startx enter and you'll be back in GUI space. Reverse the Lilo changes. Change the append=devfs=nomount back to append=devfs=mount in other words. Reboot and you should have the option to pick the original kernel or the new one, and you've already installed the kernel source package you wanted a few steps back. The software manager will upgrade the kernel documentation and other frivolous :-) items without problems when you run it in the usual manner. I know this is _way_ oversimplified and I hope nobody finds it offensive that this is so. Also; if I've left anything out, or made mistakes please correct and give me hell. I can do this stuff; it's the explanations I have trouble with. grin Good luck Angus. Later; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org There is nothing which cannot be answered by means of my doctrine, said a monk, coming into a teahouse where Nasrudin sat. And yet just a short time ago, I was challenged by a scholar with an unanswerable question, said Nasrudin. I could have answered it if I had been there. Very well. He asked, 'Why are you breaking into my house in the middle of the night?' Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 12:12 pm, Charlie M. (the halfwit!) wrote: and you'll be back in GUI space. Reverse the Lilo changes. Change the append=devfs=nomount back to append=devfs=mount in other words. Reboot and you should have the option to pick the original kernel or the new one, and you've already installed the kernel source package you wanted a few steps back. The software manager will upgrade the kernel documentation and other frivolous :-) items without problems when you run it in the usual manner. BEFORE YOU REBOOT! in a terminal as super user type /sbin/lilo -v once more to reset the append line to what you just changed. Sorry about that! :-( -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. -- Aesop Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
- On Sunday 22 September 2002 12:12 pm, Charlie M. (the halfwit!) wrote: and you'll be back in GUI space. Reverse the Lilo changes. Change the append=devfs=nomount back to append=devfs=mount in other words. Reboot and you should have the option to pick the original kernel or the new one, and you've already installed the kernel source package you wanted a few steps back. The software manager will upgrade the kernel documentation and other frivolous :-) items without problems when you run it in the usual manner. BEFORE YOU REBOOT! in a terminal as super user type /sbin/lilo -v once more to reset the append line to what you just changed. Sorry about that! :-( -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. -- Aesop - Charlie, thanks so much for the explanation of the whole procedure! I think I can do it now even! It's a bit intimidating, to be sure. I am pretty much committed to Linux at this point, and Mdk is where its at I believe. I am already running with devfsd-1,3.25-1.1mdk, which I upgraded a while back, will that simplify things some? I am dual booting w/Windows still (just makes me feel safer), but I hope to outgrow that soon! When I make the move to Mdk9, I may just go all Mdk. I really have been reverting back to MS very little the past while, and I feel quite good about that too. ;-) Does my dual-boot present any special concerns for the kernel upgrade? I have created a /tmp/kernel folder where I will download the necessary packages. I am thankful that I don't have to download all of the ones that were listed! I will start the process tonight. No doubt I will be looking for your learned advice again. All the best, and thank you again. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie rebuilding src rpm=no fun yet
On Sunday 22 September 2002 6:21 pm, Angus Auld wrote: snip Charlie, thanks so much for the explanation of the whole procedure! I think I can do it now even! It's a bit intimidating, to be sure. I am pretty much committed to Linux at this point, and Mdk is where its at I believe. I am already running with devfsd-1,3.25-1.1mdk, which I upgraded a while back, will that simplify things some? I agree with that analysis. Mandrake seems to try harder than the other distributions I've tried. Having done that update will make it easier. :-) You can skip the two edits of lilo.conf since you don't have to upgrade devfs. Just follow the rest of the steps. I am dual booting w/Windows still (just makes me feel safer), but I hope to outgrow that soon! When I make the move to Mdk9, I may just go all Mdk. I really have been reverting back to MS very little the past while, and I feel quite good about that too. ;-) You're gonna like Mandrake 9. IT'S SWEET!!! :-) Does my dual-boot present any special concerns for the kernel upgrade? Makes 'no never minds no how' Angus. I know what you're saying with the lack of boots into Windows. I reclaimed my disk space when I realized I hadn't booted Windows for almost three months. I have created a /tmp/kernel folder where I will download the necessary packages. I am thankful that I don't have to download all of the ones that were listed! I will start the process tonight. No doubt I will be looking for your learned advice again. All the best, and thank you again. If you start talking to me that way I'll run and hide Angus. I'm still a gnubie myself; I just suffer from insatiable curiosity, and I learn fairly quickly. You can do this, I have no doubt. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber Reg. Linux User #278931 You're very welcome, I hope it was useful information. Let the list know how it works out for you? Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. - attributed to Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the Amiga Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
