Re: [newbie] sendmail question person, look at this, OT Thread hijack... mail server @ home?
On Friday 14 February 2003 10:32 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: At 09:31 AM 2/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: And yes i deleted all my email and NO i didnt want to look up the subject on the archives...deal with it, :) I see some ppl n the list setup mail servers in their home... Whats the reason for that? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert same reason a dog licks it's balls? 'cause they can' Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] sendmail question person, look at this, OT Thread
I see some ppl n the list setup mail servers in their home... Whats the reason for that? Mostly convenience, at least for me. I have DSL and I like the idea of mail coming directly to (and from) my box, as well as news, although maintaining the latter is a bit iffy from time to time. Even when I didn't have DSL, I was in a domain where I could get email sent right to my system - via UUCP or via dialup SMTP. For most every- thing now, I use my dsl email address and all the mail goes right here. I have a backup pop (fetchmail) but mostly only spam gets sent there :(. FemmeFatale Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] sendmail question person, look at this, OT Thread hijack... mail server @ home?
At 09:31 AM 2/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: And yes i deleted all my email and NO i didnt want to look up the subject on the archives...deal with it, :) I see some ppl n the list setup mail servers in their home... Whats the reason for that? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] sendmail question person, look at this, OT Thread hijack... mail server @ home?
I see some ppl n the list setup mail servers in their home... Whats the reason for that? My roommate wants to. Dont know why. We have 23 computers between me and him. I changed from administration to programming about a month ago and have gone down to 4, 1 windows, 1 linux, 1 Linux-From-Scratch test box, 1 Darwin (Mac OS-X) x86 test box. The windows and linux boxes are for desktop/programming. Now my rommate on the other hand cant handle having less than 6 computers up at all times. All windows computers too. Linux doesnt have the same type of load balancing as windows, it has 1 computer to dish out work...like a cluster which is not what he wants. G Linux on that one. Mail servers in the house, only needed if i am going to host my own website, then i need my own email server. But i am not doing that, he is. I can NOT stand email servers. Oh well Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] sendmail question person, look at this, OT Thread hijack... mail server @ home?
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:29, Robert Wideman wrote: I see some ppl n the list setup mail servers in their home... Whats the reason for that? My roommate wants to. Dont know why. We have 23 computers between me and him. I changed from administration to programming about a month ago and have gone down to 4, 1 windows, 1 linux, 1 Linux-From-Scratch test box, 1 Darwin (Mac OS-X) x86 test box. The windows and linux boxes are for desktop/programming. Now my rommate on the other hand cant handle having less than 6 computers up at all times. All windows computers too. Linux doesnt have the same type of load balancing as windows, it has 1 computer to dish out work...like a cluster which is not what he wants. G Linux on that one. Mail servers in the house, only needed if i am going to host my own website, then i need my own email server. But i am not doing that, he is. I can NOT stand email servers. Oh well Rob I was going to say big families as a reply to Femmes query... but big families of computers? ;-) -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] sendmail question person, look at this, OT Threadhijack... mail server @ home?
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 14:32, FemmeFatale wrote: At 09:31 AM 2/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: And yes i deleted all my email and NO i didnt want to look up the subject on the archives...deal with it, :) I see some ppl n the list setup mail servers in their home... Whats the reason for that? - FemmeFatale Why setup a mail server at home? Here's several reasons: * You can stop bugs from getting to your Windows machines by setting up your own mail server on a linux box - using whatever you like - either SENDMAIL or POSTFIX - and do a much better job at catching the nasties than any M$ box could hope of. * Better connection control. You can setup your system to check for mail at specific times - and use FETCHMAIL to grab all the mail for all your users, then send what it has to send. Nice, scheduled and timely. * You can setup shared IMAP folders for all the users on your home network so that you can share documents and emails (funnies, especially) as well as do other, more productive things. * You can very quickly and easily setup a web interface for the users on your home network to get their mail - keeps them from having to rely on crap like M$ pOutlook and M$ Outlook Digress, er, Express * You can setup internal email so that you can send nasty emails to your children (or partner) without having them bounce outside then back in again. * Snatching your email as quickly as you can before it can be read by the spies and hackers out there is a better idea than letting it sit in a queue or spool where the Evil US Government can read it...so the faster you get it home, the safer (supposedly) it is... * You can setup your own spam filtering system to do so much better than any M$ product can. (And OH how simple that is) * You can suck your Hotmail down to your system without ever having to go to the Hotmail site (what a drag) and spamfilter it as well... * You're in control. You like being in control, don't you ?? * You're stabbing back at the rank and file of the internet world by having your own email server. Why not do it just for that matter? * You learn email setup and administration * You're in control. Or did I mention that already? * You're the envy of all your geek friends because you setup/maintain/administer your own home email server. Kudos! Whilst they pine away over bugs and nasties in their M$ products, you're happily chomping through your millions of daily emails with nary a problem! * You're doing more on your one teensy weensy little linux box than an entire MS Exchange server could possibly do - no matter who the administrator was! (And you're more in CONTROL. CONTROL.CONTROL) * You're cool when you have a home email server. * Osama bin Laden doesn't have his own email server, but you can! * George Bush can't even spell email server, but you have one at home. Dig that. * No one can shut down your home email server. It's yours, and that's that. * If something goes wrong, you don't have to call tech support. You can scream at yourself instead. * NO QUOTAS when you have your own email server. Someone can send you 100mb of absolute crap and it won't kill your account status. * You can have your own home email server and pink hair at the same time. -- Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:55:01 +1100 5:55pm up 45 min, 3 users, load average: 0.65, 0.29, 0.27 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Think honk if you're a telepath. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] sendmail question
I am not expert on sendmail but I believe sendmail is only for sending mail out that's why you only see a reference to SMTP. Fetchmail retrieves mail. I hope that helps. --- Original Message --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote on Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:22:38 -0600 (CST) -- Does sendmail support POP3. I have sendmail installed on my box at home, supporting a small local network and am trying to use windows 9X and 2000 to retrieve my mail threw outlook express. I also have a unit outside the network that I wish to get my email from at work. I wish to configure it to use the POP3 protical. I am having no luck at all finding any reference to POP at all (only SMTP). Any help would be great. Regards Mike Freeman Embrace the Penguin. Give Bill the cold shoulder! Linux Registered User #190770 (10/02/2000) . Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com - Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
Well actually as veloct said, sendmail is the mailer daemon but, if you go to ftp://ftp.vergenet.net/pub/cucipop/ You should find a POP server you may like, in order to recieve mail via pop, one must install a pop server, such as cubic circle's POP server software. On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does sendmail support POP3. I have sendmail installed on my box at home, supporting a small local network and am trying to use windows 9X and 2000 to retrieve my mail threw outlook express. I also have a unit outside the network that I wish to get my email from at work. I wish to configure it to use the POP3 protical. I am having no luck at all finding any reference to POP at all (only SMTP). Any help would be great. Regards Mike Freeman Embrace the Penguin. Give Bill the cold shoulder! Linux Registered User #190770 (10/02/2000) GGet your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
sendmail is suppoed to support pop and stmp so does postfix postfix is what comes with the current linuxmandrake it is compatible with sendmail commands. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] sendmail question I am not expert on sendmail but I believe sendmail is only for sending mail out that's why you only see a reference to SMTP. Fetchmail retrieves mail. I hope that helps. --- Original Message --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote on Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:22:38 -0600 (CST) -- Does sendmail support POP3. I have sendmail installed on my box at home, supporting a small local network and am trying to use windows 9X and 2000 to retrieve my mail threw outlook express. I also have a unit outside the network that I wish to get my email from at work. I wish to configure it to use the POP3 protical. I am having no luck at all finding any reference to POP at all (only SMTP). Any help would be great. Regards Mike Freeman Embrace the Penguin. Give Bill the cold shoulder! Linux Registered User #190770 (10/02/2000) . Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com - Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
Well actually as veloct said, sendmail is the mailer daemon but, if you go to ftp://ftp.vergenet.net/pub/cucipop/ You should find a POP server you may like, in order to recieve mail via pop, one must install a pop server, such as cubic circle's POP server software. Don't think so...you're not serving POP; you simply retrieving mail from someone else's POP server. All you need is something like fetchmail (postfix will do it too) to retrieve the mail. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
To enable POP3, install the IMAP package on the Madrake install CD using rpmdrake. After installing, try telneting into your box on port 110. i.e. telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 110 You should see a message like: '+OK POP3 machinename Vx.x server ready'. If you don't see that, make sure the line for POP3 is uncommented in your inetd.conf file in your /etc directory. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: [newbie] sendmail question Does sendmail support POP3. I have sendmail installed on my box at home, supporting a small local network and am trying to use windows 9X and 2000 to retrieve my mail threw outlook express. I also have a unit outside the network that I wish to get my email from at work. I wish to configure it to use the POP3 protical. I am having no luck at all finding any reference to POP at all (only SMTP). Any help would be great. Regards Mike Freeman Embrace the Penguin. Give Bill the cold shoulder! Linux Registered User #190770 (10/02/2000) Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
sendmail is suppoed to support pop and stmp so does postfix postfix is what comes with the current linuxmandrake it is compatible with sendmail commands. Both sendmail and postfix come with LM, though you're right that postfix is loaded by default. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does sendmail support POP3. I have sendmail installed on my box at home, supporting a small local network and am trying to use windows 9X and 2000 to retrieve my mail threw outlook express. I also have a unit outside the network that I wish to get my email from at work. I wish to configure it to use the POP3 protical. I am having no luck at all finding any reference to POP at all (only SMTP). Any help would be great. The short answer is that no, sendmail doesn't do POP3 (or if it does, it's much more trouble than its worth to configure it.) Take a look at the "fetchmail" package (start with "man fetchmail" from a command prompt). It's easy to set up and works well. Now for the long answer. Unix purists, please disregard the occasional handwaving - I'm trying to keep this thing readable, and, frankly, sendmail's complex enough that I don't claim to really understand it. Sendmail handles mail delivery. It evolved in a world where computers were mostly always connected to the Internet, and where each computer had its own IP address. It actually has three functions. First, let's say you want to send some mail. Your e-mail agent (pine, kmail, Netscape Messenger, or whatever other one you choose) will accept a bunch of text from you and properly format it as a mail message. Then it has to do something to get that mail message to wherever it's going. What it does is to give that message to sendmail, which puts it into a mail queue, a waiting list of messages that are going to the outside world. If you're running on a computer that's always connected to the Internet, and that has a static IP address, then the "sendmail" process that those programs give the mail to is probably running locally on your machine. Otherwise, if you're connected through a PPP session or have a machine that's gotten its IP address through DHCP, then those programs probably give your mail to an "SMTP server", which is a separate machine running sendmail (or an equivalent program). So, that's sendmail's first function: it gets messages from user programs and puts them into a mail queue. The mail message sits in a mail queue for a while. Then, periodically, sendmail wakes up and tries to deliver all the messages in the queue. It looks at each message in turn, sees where it's going, and contacts the sendmail program running on that target machine. Remember when I said it evolved in a world where most machines were connected most of the time? If that target machine isn't there, sendmail can't do its job and usually bounces a message back to the sender complaining about that fact. That's why people with dynamic IP addresses use a different machine, with a static IP address, to receive their mail. So, sendmail's second function is to deliver the messages in the mail queue. Finally, when sendmail on the destination machine receives a message, it has to do something with it. What it does is "local delivery". It figures out which user is supposed to get the message and puts it in a "mail spool" (what many mail clients would call your "INBOX"), which is nothing more than a file or directory on the machine where the mail waits until the next time the user reads it. So, sendmail's third function is "local delivery" on the target machine. There's another time sendmail can do "local delivery". Let's say you're sending an e-mail message to another user who's on your same machine, which is less common now but was quite common in the days when the only computers powerful enough to run Unix were large, multi-user systems. In that case, there's no sense in sending the message across the Internet since it'll just come right back to the machine that sent it. So, sendmail is a little smarter about it: if you're sending mail to another user on your own machine, sendmail immediately switches to "local delivery" and puts it in the proper place. Now, sendmail only knows how to receive a message from another sendmail process (the second function) or from a program (like a mail delivery system). It doesn't know how to receive POP messages. (Why? Because the philosophy is different. When sendmail receives, it expects someone else to actively wake it up and give it a message. POP requires a program to actively go out and pester someone else and collect the messages. Fitting POP onto sendmail would be nasty and difficult.) Since most people these days connect through a dial-up account, sendmail is a poor fit for their machines, because it's not connected all the time. So most ISPs provide a POP server, which is a machine running sendmail (to get connections from other sendmail machines) that provides its users access to the mail spool on the POP machine using the POP protocol. That's where fetchmail comes in. Fetchmail runs periodically on your local machine and knows how to do POP. It starts up, talks to a POP server where your mail resides, collects the message, and then gives them to sendmail
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Jeff Cours wrote: The short answer is that no, sendmail doesn't do POP3 (or if it does, it's much more trouble than its worth to configure it.) Take a look at the "fetchmail" package (start with "man fetchmail" from a command prompt). It's easy to set up and works well. One other option I should have mentioned. I don't know exactly why you asked the original question. If your goal is just to get e-mail working on a home machine, where you're using a dial-up connection through an ISP, then the simplest way to do it is to use something like Netscape Messenger. It's smart enough to do its own POP3 mail retrieval (so you don't need fetchmail), and it already knows how to use an SMTP server. It's kind of a clunky solution, but it would get you running until some time later when you wanted to take the time to dive into installing fetchmail. - Jeff
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Jeff Cours wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does sendmail support POP3. I have sendmail installed on my box at home, supporting a small local network and am trying to use windows 9X and 2000 to retrieve my mail threw outlook express. I also have a unit outside the network that I wish to get my email from at work. I wish to configure it to use the POP3 protical. I am having no luck at all finding any reference to POP at all (only SMTP). Any help would be great. Sigh, my apologies. I mis-read your question. Color me embarassed. - Jeff
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
thanks for the info, I must have picked up some corrupt info somewhere. There seems to be a lot of confusion here. Servers provide stuff, clients get stuff...well, most of the time :-) O and hey do you know alot about postfix? Not really, though it's currently handling my mail in/out of Pine. I tried using it once but there was no mail in /var/spool/mail/user Is is possible that your email account name is different from your user name? Were there any mailboxes there after you've received mail? Must be going somewhere :-) What did I scock up that time? I'm not sure. I was using sendmail and fetchmail but for other reasons needed to do a new install. When I did postfix got installed and I noticed that it was working fine so I just left it. Wish I could tell you more but I tend to know more about things I can't make work quite so easily :-) You might want to read man postfix and man master. Browsing through /etc/postfix/master.cf is also informative. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
Hi ! What you need to do is ...goto /etc/inetd and unmark POP3 with vi Save and exit and type this command to active it ... # killall -HUP inetd Best Regards SKLIM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 11:22 PM Subject: [newbie] sendmail question Does sendmail support POP3. I have sendmail installed on my box at home, supporting a small local network and am trying to use windows 9X and 2000 to retrieve my mail threw outlook express. I also have a unit outside the network that I wish to get my email from at work. I wish to configure it to use the POP3 protical. I am having no luck at all finding any reference to POP at all (only SMTP). Any help would be great. Regards Mike Freeman Embrace the Penguin. Give Bill the cold shoulder! Linux Registered User #190770 (10/02/2000) Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [newbie] sendmail question
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a problem with sendmail that hopefully someone has an answer to. I have it working but my machine user name is bob and my email is bob115. I have managed to get masquerading to make my machine use my isp's domain but all my mail through sendmail has [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helpplease. -- Robert Sheskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Replace "nospam" with "tidalwave" for email ICQ 5788323 AIM RobertLS use linuxconf to setup (crap forgot what it's called) virtualusertable i think it is. use 'linuxconf --setmod sendmail' if you don't have the sendmail section in linuxconf.
