Re: [NTG-context] Symbols

2012-11-21 Thread Willi Egger
Hans,

thank you very much for this section. - I see that the approach is different 
from what I was trying to do. - I will study and try it!

Willi

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 11/20/2012 5:21 PM, Willi Egger wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> could someone bring light into the way how to use symbols…in MKIV
>> 
>> I wanted to extract a symbol from uzdr (Zapfdingbats).
> 
> (Somehow uzdr.afm and uzdr.pfb are not in my tex tree. I always thought that 
> they were part of the standalone but nothing surprises me as these fonts have 
> a history of instability.)
> 
> (Copied from an upcoming font manual:)
> 
> \startsection[title=Unicoding]
> 
> Nowadays we will mostly use fonts that ship with a \UNICODE\ aware encoding. 
> And
> in \CONTEXT, even if we use a \TYPEONE\ font, it gets mapped onto \UNICODE.
> However, there are some exceptions, for instance the Zapf Dingbats in 
> \TYPEONE\
> format. These have a rather obscure private encoding and the glyph names run 
> from
> \type {a1} upto \type {a206} and have no relation to what the glyph 
> represents.
> 
> In the case of Dingbats we're somewhat lucky that they ended up in \UNICODE, 
> so
> we can relocate the glyphs to match their rightful place. This is done by 
> means
> of a goodies file. We already discussed this in \in {section} [goodies] so we
> only repeat the usage.
> 
> \startbuffer
> \definefontfeature
>  [dingbats]
>  [mode=base,
>   goodies=dingbats,
>   unicoding=yes]
> 
> \definefontsynonym
>  [ZapfDingbats]
>  [file:uzdr.afm]
>  [features=dingbats]
> \stopbuffer
> 
> \typebuffer \getbuffer
> 
> I tend to qualify the Dingbat font in \TEX\ distributions as rather unstable
> because of name changes and them either or not being included. Therefore it's 
> best to
> use the hard coded name because that triggers the most visible error message 
> when
> the font is not found.
> 
> A font like this can for instance be used with the glyph placement macros as 
> is
> demonstrated below. In the last line we see that a direct \UTF\ input also 
> works
> out well.
> 
> \starttabulate[|||]
> \HL
> \NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\number"2701}} \NC 
> \getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\number"2701} \NC \NR
> \NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\char"2701}}   \NC 
> \getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\char"2701}   \NC \NR
> \NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a1}}   \NC 
> \getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a1}   \NC \NR
> \NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a11}}  \NC 
> \getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a11}  \NC \NR
> \HL
> \NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\number"2701}}  \NC 
> \getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\number"2701}  \NC \NR
> \NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\char"2701}}\NC 
> \getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\char"2701}\NC \NR
> \NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a1}}\NC 
> \getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a1}\NC \NR
> \NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a11}}   \NC 
> \getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a11}   \NC \NR
> \HL
> \NC \type{\definedfont[ZapfDingbats*dingbats]✁}  \NC 
> \definedfont[ZapfDingbats*dingbats]✁  \NC \NR
> \HL
> \stoptabulate
> 
> Keep in mind that fonts like Dejavu (that we use here as document font) 
> already
> has these characters which is why it shows up in the verbose part of the 
> table.
> 
> \stopsection
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols

2012-11-21 Thread Hans Hagen

On 11/20/2012 5:21 PM, Willi Egger wrote:

Hi all,

could someone bring light into the way how to use symbols…in MKIV

I wanted to extract a symbol from uzdr (Zapfdingbats).


(Somehow uzdr.afm and uzdr.pfb are not in my tex tree. I always thought 
that they were part of the standalone but nothing surprises me as these 
fonts have a history of instability.)


(Copied from an upcoming font manual:)

\startsection[title=Unicoding]

Nowadays we will mostly use fonts that ship with a \UNICODE\ aware 
encoding. And

in \CONTEXT, even if we use a \TYPEONE\ font, it gets mapped onto \UNICODE.
However, there are some exceptions, for instance the Zapf Dingbats in 
\TYPEONE\
format. These have a rather obscure private encoding and the glyph names 
run from
\type {a1} upto \type {a206} and have no relation to what the glyph 
represents.


In the case of Dingbats we're somewhat lucky that they ended up in 
\UNICODE, so
we can relocate the glyphs to match their rightful place. This is done 
by means
of a goodies file. We already discussed this in \in {section} [goodies] 
so we

only repeat the usage.

\startbuffer
\definefontfeature
  [dingbats]
  [mode=base,
   goodies=dingbats,
   unicoding=yes]

\definefontsynonym
  [ZapfDingbats]
  [file:uzdr.afm]
  [features=dingbats]
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer \getbuffer

I tend to qualify the Dingbat font in \TEX\ distributions as rather unstable
because of name changes and them either or not being included. Therefore 
it's best to
use the hard coded name because that triggers the most visible error 
message when

the font is not found.

A font like this can for instance be used with the glyph placement 
macros as is
demonstrated below. In the last line we see that a direct \UTF\ input 
also works

out well.

\starttabulate[|||]
\HL
\NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\number"2701}} \NC 
\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\number"2701} \NC \NR
\NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\char"2701}}   \NC 
\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{\char"2701}   \NC \NR
\NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a1}}   \NC 
\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a1}   \NC \NR
\NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a11}}  \NC 
\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats*dingbats}{a11}  \NC \NR

\HL
\NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\number"2701}}  \NC 
\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\number"2701}  \NC \NR
\NC \type{\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\char"2701}}\NC 
\getglyphdirect {ZapfDingbats}{\char"2701}\NC \NR
\NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a1}}\NC 
\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a1}\NC \NR
\NC \type{\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a11}}   \NC 
\getnamedglyphdirect{ZapfDingbats}{a11}   \NC \NR

\HL
\NC \type{\definedfont[ZapfDingbats*dingbats]✁}  \NC 
\definedfont[ZapfDingbats*dingbats]✁  \NC \NR

\HL
\stoptabulate

Keep in mind that fonts like Dejavu (that we use here as document font) 
already
has these characters which is why it shows up in the verbose part of the 
table.


\stopsection

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols Martin Vogel

2011-03-27 Thread Hans Hagen

On 27-3-2011 9:13, Willi Egger wrote:

Hi,

the following used to work:

\usesymbols[mvs]
\setupsymbolset[martinvogel 2]

\starttext
 \symbol[HollowBox]
\stoptext

However with Context 2011.03.27 14:48 I get the following error:

! LuaTeX error:1: attempt to call field 'char' (a nil value)
stack traceback:


fixed tomorrow


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Re: [NTG-context] symbols fail in mkiv

2011-03-17 Thread Jean Magnan de Bornier
Le 17 mars à 09:34:48 Wolfgang Schuster  
écrit notamment:

| Am 17.03.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Jean Magnan de Bornier:
>
| > Hi all,
| > The following file has the expected output with texexec but with mkiv the
| > symbols are replaced by question marks in the output; all my other tests
| > with symbols actually fail with mkiv.
>
| You need for mkiv the marvosym font in truetype format but the minimals
| ship only the type1 version. You can download the font here: 
http://www.marvosym.com/
>
| Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, I'll do that soon
bye
-- 
Jean
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols fail in mkiv

2011-03-17 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 17.03.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Jean Magnan de Bornier:

> Hi all,
> The following file has the expected output with texexec but with mkiv the
> symbols are replaced by question marks in the output; all my other tests
> with symbols actually fail with mkiv.

You need for mkiv the marvosym font in truetype format but the minimals
ship only the type1 version. You can download the font here: 
http://www.marvosym.com/

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols for copyright and registered

2010-01-29 Thread John Culleton
On Thursday 28 January 2010 17:59:07 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 28.01.10 23:43, schrieb John Culleton:
> > In the past I have used defs like
> > \def\reg{\char174}
> > Is there a more universal way to get these symbols?
>
> ® and ©
>
> or
>
> \registered and \copyright :)
>
> Wolfgang

Thnks a bunch. Where did you find the documentation on these two characters?
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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols for copyright and registered

2010-01-29 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:03 AM, zs  wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:36:13 +0100
> Bernhard Rosensteiner  wrote:
>
>> is there a source where i can find such definitions? I mean for other 
>> symbols and „hard to type“ characters
>>
>> best regards
>> Bernhard
>
>
> for my purpose, I made utf-8 text containing all unusual characters and I 
> copy and paste them.
> It's the most convenient way, IMO.
>
> example:
>
> ≈≐∿
> №©®™ℎℏ°℃
> ⌀ diameter      2300
> ∅ empty set     2205
> ⍉               2349
> ¼½¾⅓⅔⅕⅖⅗⅘⅙⅚⅛⅜⅝⅞⅟
> ₀₁₂₃₄₅₆₇₈₉₊₋₌₍₎
> ⁰¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁺⁻⁼⁽⁾         √(x² ˖ y²)
> √∛∜∢
nice idea
It would be nice to collect the most used
unicode char in a wiki page
and also in a txt file to include in minimals
just as convenience when typesetting  in mkiv
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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols for copyright and registered

2010-01-29 Thread zs
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:36:13 +0100
Bernhard Rosensteiner  wrote:

> is there a source where i can find such definitions? I mean for other symbols 
> and „hard to type“ characters
> 
> best regards
> Bernhard


for my purpose, I made utf-8 text containing all unusual characters and I copy 
and paste them.
It's the most convenient way, IMO.

example:

≈≐∿
№©®™ℎℏ°℃
⌀ diameter  2300
∅ empty set 2205
⍉   2349
¼½¾⅓⅔⅕⅖⅗⅘⅙⅚⅛⅜⅝⅞⅟
₀₁₂₃₄₅₆₇₈₉₊₋₌₍₎
⁰¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁺⁻⁼⁽⁾ √(x² ˖ y²)
√∛∜∢

Regards

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols for copyright and registered

2010-01-28 Thread Bernhard Rosensteiner
Am 29.01.2010 um 00:46 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> Am 29.01.10 00:36, schrieb Bernhard Rosensteiner:
>> is there a source where i can find such definitions? I mean for other 
>> symbols and „hard to type“ characters
> For MkII look in the enco-xxx.mkii files, for MkIV you can find
> all commands in char-def.lua
> 
> rover:base wolf$ grep contextname char-def.lua
>  contextname="quotedbl",
>  contextname="textdollar",
>  contextname="percent",
>  contextname="quotesingle",
>  contextname="textslash",
>  contextname="textbackslash",
>  contextname="textasciicircum",
>  contextname="textunderscore",
>  contextname="textgrave",
>  contextname="idotaccent",
>  contextname="textbraceleft",
>  contextname="textbar",
>  ...
> 
> The values of contextname are available as commands in ConTeXt.
> 
> Wolfgang

wow - millions of definitions. Thanks a lot.

best regards
Bernhard

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols for copyright and registered

2010-01-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 29.01.10 00:36, schrieb Bernhard Rosensteiner:

is there a source where i can find such definitions? I mean for other symbols 
and „hard to type“ characters

For MkII look in the enco-xxx.mkii files, for MkIV you can find
all commands in char-def.lua

rover:base wolf$ grep contextname char-def.lua
  contextname="quotedbl",
  contextname="textdollar",
  contextname="percent",
  contextname="quotesingle",
  contextname="textslash",
  contextname="textbackslash",
  contextname="textasciicircum",
  contextname="textunderscore",
  contextname="textgrave",
  contextname="idotaccent",
  contextname="textbraceleft",
  contextname="textbar",
  ...

The values of contextname are available as commands in ConTeXt.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols for copyright and registered

2010-01-28 Thread Bernhard Rosensteiner
Am 28.01.2010 um 23:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> Am 28.01.10 23:43, schrieb John Culleton:
>> In the past I have used defs like
>> \def\reg{\char174}
>> Is there a more universal way to get these symbols?
>>   
> ® and ©
> 
> or
> 
> \registered and \copyright :)
> 
> Wolfgang

is there a source where i can find such definitions? I mean for other symbols 
and „hard to type“ characters

best regards
Bernhard

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols for copyright and registered

2010-01-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 28.01.10 23:43, schrieb John Culleton:

In the past I have used defs like
\def\reg{\char174}
Is there a more universal way to get these symbols?
   

® and ©

or

\registered and \copyright :)

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-08 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:21:11 -0700, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> But after all: there's LinLibertine or the (symbol) Unicode font that
>> one of you has mantioned a few days ago.
>
> yes, those fonts are very complete; i wonder if they may be distributed
> with tex ...

There's a LaTeX package...

Anyway, thnx for mentioning LinLibertine, Wolfgang; downloding it now.  
Unfortunately they don't have a monospace font :-( For serious utf-8 work  
in an editor it's indispensable. I'm using Arial Unicode MS in the  
meantime (ugh).

SC Unipad has the best and most complete unicode editing font out there  
(both mono and var options) but it's a bitmap and tied to the application.

SIL has some pretty complete fonts as well. Doulos is pretty complete as  
far as Latin extensions are concerned, and is probably the richest font  
after Arial Unicode (which is still over an order of magnitude bigger).

But the idea of a virtual uniode font is a good idea and I'd like to help.

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-08 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Jan 8, 2008 9:21 AM, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 2008 5:18 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> >> On Jan 6, 2008 9:26 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> >>
> >>> maybe a big fallback virtual font covering all of unicode ...
> >> With Arial Unicode as fallback ;-)
> >
> > I can try to get some Microsofties* to the meeting. Perhaps they'll agree 
> > :-) :p
>
> actually the typography part of ms is not that bad -) also, if i'm right
> all linux distributions permit you to download/install fonts from ms
> (someow these fonts are free); not sure about osx

Only the normal Arial font, Arial Unicode is only AFAIK available
with MS Ofiice.

> > After all, if I forget about all the advantages of it (covering
> > unicode symbols where typeface doesn't matter so much etc.), the
> > approach would be fully compatible with Word in that respect,
> > replacing all accented letters with the ones from the fallback font
> > :-)
>
> well, you may as well expect worse in the tex community ... font feature
> abuse and such
>
> > But after all: there's LinLibertine or the (symbol) Unicode font that
> > one of you has mantioned a few days ago.
>
> yes, those fonts are very complete; i wonder if they may be distributed
> with tex ...

The unicode symbol font should be no problem. You find the following text
on the page.

"Fonts in this site are offered free for any use; they may be opened,
edited, modified, regenerated, packaged and redistributed."

It's worth to write a mail to the designer.

http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/index.html

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-08 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 5:18 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> On Jan 6, 2008 9:26 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>>> maybe a big fallback virtual font covering all of unicode ...
>> With Arial Unicode as fallback ;-)
> 
> I can try to get some Microsofties* to the meeting. Perhaps they'll agree :-) 
> :p

actually the typography part of ms is not that bad -) also, if i'm right 
all linux distributions permit you to download/install fonts from ms 
(someow these fonts are free); not sure about osx

> After all, if I forget about all the advantages of it (covering
> unicode symbols where typeface doesn't matter so much etc.), the
> approach would be fully compatible with Word in that respect,
> replacing all accented letters with the ones from the fallback font
> :-)

well, you may as well expect worse in the tex community ... font feature 
abuse and such

> But after all: there's LinLibertine or the (symbol) Unicode font that
> one of you has mantioned a few days ago.

yes, those fonts are very complete; i wonder if they may be distributed 
with tex ...


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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-07 Thread luigi scarso
> I can try to get some Microsofties* to the meeting. Perhaps they'll agree :-) 
> :p

Maybe you can try  by saying that a few (?) of us have  some interest on
xps as an output alternative of pdf ; with luatex should be no so difficult .

You can even do better getting some Adobies to the meeting too,
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-07 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Jan 7, 2008 5:18 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2008 9:26 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> > maybe a big fallback virtual font covering all of unicode ...
>
> With Arial Unicode as fallback ;-)

I can try to get some Microsofties* to the meeting. Perhaps they'll agree :-) :p

After all, if I forget about all the advantages of it (covering
unicode symbols where typeface doesn't matter so much etc.), the
approach would be fully compatible with Word in that respect,
replacing all accented letters with the ones from the fallback font
:-)

But after all: there's LinLibertine or the (symbol) Unicode font that
one of you has mantioned a few days ago.

Mojca

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Jan 6, 2008 9:26 PM, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> > Do you really a contextname for every adobename in the list?
>
> no, in mkiv we can have use adobe names as well
>
> > I would be enough for me access the glyphs by name, I don't a macro for
> > every character but the list for adobenames should be filled with the
> > information from glyphlist.txt.
> >
> > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/glyph.html
>
> taht's what char-def is for
>
> >> Hans, should contextnames.txt be deleted now? So that only one list
> >> will be kept up to date.
>
> well, we can keep it for a while for sentimental reasons
>
> >> XeTeX offers \XeTeXglyphdindex{angleleft} (in LuaTeX you can achieve
> >> the same with some coding), but I agree that some high-level macro to
> >> access glyphs by name might be handy.
> >
> > I know XeTeX offers this method but method for XeTeX and LuaTeX would
> > be better, it could be used as replacement for \symbol a many
> > cases, untill you have the requestet glyph in your font but a fallback
> > mode would be nice in this situation.
>
> maybe a big fallback virtual font covering all of unicode ...

With Arial Unicode as fallback ;-)

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-06 Thread Hans Hagen
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> Do you really a contextname for every adobename in the list?

no, in mkiv we can have use adobe names as well

> I would be enough for me access the glyphs by name, I don't a macro for
> every character but the list for adobenames should be filled with the
> information from glyphlist.txt.
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/glyph.html

taht's what char-def is for

>> Hans, should contextnames.txt be deleted now? So that only one list
>> will be kept up to date.

well, we can keep it for a while for sentimental reasons

>> XeTeX offers \XeTeXglyphdindex{angleleft} (in LuaTeX you can achieve
>> the same with some coding), but I agree that some high-level macro to
>> access glyphs by name might be handy.
> 
> I know XeTeX offers this method but method for XeTeX and LuaTeX would
> be better, it could be used as replacement for \symbol a many
> cases, untill you have the requestet glyph in your font but a fallback
> mode would be nice in this situation.

maybe a big fallback virtual font covering all of unicode ...

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-06 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Jan 6, 2008 12:06 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:32:51 +0100 "Mojca Miklavec" wrote:
>
> > > I would be enough for me access the glyphs by name, I don't a macro for
> > > every character but the list for adobenames should be filled with the
> > > information from glyphlist.txt.
> > >
> > > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/glyph.html
> >
> > It is (although I could imagine that it might have been filled with an
> > older version of that list, but there are not to many differences
> > anyway).
>
> The only list I found is from 2002, this mean Hans list is from ???

There are two different lists (for new and for "old" fonts) at
different versions, one of the latests being.

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/aglfn.txt
# Name:  Adobe Glyph List For New Fonts
# Table version: 1.6
# Date:  30 Januaury 2006

I have no idea what exactly is in char-def.lua (perhaps the same as in
contextnames.txt, which has been generated from the old list).

> > > > Hans, should contextnames.txt be deleted now? So that only one list
> > > > will be kept up to date.
>
> What was this list used for?

It has been created in order to clean up the encoding mess a bit
(iso-8895-X, cp125X, viscii regimes - most regi-XXX files are
autogenerated from that list), but now everthing from that list is in
char-def.lua.

(And char-def.lua is also used for autogenerating enco-utf, used in
XeTeX initialisation.)

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:32:51 +0100
"Mojca Miklavec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 6, 2008 10:15 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:55:23 +0100
> >
> > > One thing that you can try is to add
> > > contextname='angleleft'
> > > to the corresponding entry in char-def.lua and then use
> > > \getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\angleleft}
> > > improvements for char-def.lua are welcome anyway.
> >
> > Do you really a contextname for every adobename in the list?
> 
> Of course not. But some addition still do make sense (and if you have
> some on your wishlist, you can submit patches).
> 
> > I would be enough for me access the glyphs by name, I don't a macro for
> > every character but the list for adobenames should be filled with the
> > information from glyphlist.txt.
> >
> > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/glyph.html
> 
> It is (although I could imagine that it might have been filled with an
> older version of that list, but there are not so many differences
> anyway).

The only list I found is from 2002, this mean Hans list is from ???

> > > Hans, should contextnames.txt be deleted now? So that only one list
> > > will be kept up to date.

What was this list used for?

> > > XeTeX offers \XeTeXglyphdindex{angleleft} (in LuaTeX you can achieve
> > > the same with some coding), but I agree that some high-level macro to
> > > access glyphs by name might be handy.
> >
> > I know XeTeX offers this method but method for XeTeX and LuaTeX would
> > be better, it could be used as replacement for \symbol a many
> > cases, untill you have the requestet glyph in your font but a fallback
> > mode would be nice in this situation.
> 
> Sure. I have agreed that some macro to get a glyph by name would be
> handy (and could be supported in both engines easily).
> 
> Mojca

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-06 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Jan 6, 2008 10:15 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:55:23 +0100
>
> > One thing that you can try is to add
> > contextname='angleleft'
> > to the corresponding entry in char-def.lua and then use
> > \getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\angleleft}
> > improvements for char-def.lua are welcome anyway.
>
> Do you really a contextname for every adobename in the list?

Of course not. But some addition still do make sense (and if you have
some on your wishlist, you can submit patches).

> I would be enough for me access the glyphs by name, I don't a macro for
> every character but the list for adobenames should be filled with the
> information from glyphlist.txt.
>
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/glyph.html

It is (although I could imagine that it might have been filled with an
older version of that list, but there are not so many differences
anyway).

> > Hans, should contextnames.txt be deleted now? So that only one list
> > will be kept up to date.
> >
> > XeTeX offers \XeTeXglyphdindex{angleleft} (in LuaTeX you can achieve
> > the same with some coding), but I agree that some high-level macro to
> > access glyphs by name might be handy.
>
> I know XeTeX offers this method but method for XeTeX and LuaTeX would
> be better, it could be used as replacement for \symbol a many
> cases, untill you have the requestet glyph in your font but a fallback
> mode would be nice in this situation.

Sure. I have agreed that some macro to get a glyph by name would be
handy (and could be supported in both engines easily).

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:55:23 +0100
"Mojca Miklavec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 5, 2008 10:03 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:40:55 +0100
> > Hans Hagen wrote:
> >
> > > Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> > >
> > > > {\bgroup\definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]\char"2329\egroup}
> > >
> > > ah so you know the number ...
> > >
> > > \getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\char"2329}
> > >
> > > should also work then
> >
> > Is it also possible to select glyphs with the "Adobe names", I saw you
> > have a complete list char-def.lua and it would be nice to write
> > \getnamedglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{angleleft} with the same
> > result as above.
> 
> One thing that you can try is to add
> contextname='angleleft'
> to the corresponding entry in char-def.lua and then use
> \getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\angleleft}
> improvements for char-def.lua are welcome anyway.

Do you really a contextname for every adobename in the list?

I would be enough for me access the glyphs by name, I don't a macro for
every character but the list for adobenames should be filled with the
information from glyphlist.txt.

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/glyph.html

> Hans, should contextnames.txt be deleted now? So that only one list
> will be kept up to date.
> 
> XeTeX offers \XeTeXglyphdindex{angleleft} (in LuaTeX you can achieve
> the same with some coding), but I agree that some high-level macro to
> access glyphs by name might be handy.

I know XeTeX offers this method but method for XeTeX and LuaTeX would
be better, it could be used as replacement for \symbol a many
cases, untill you have the requestet glyph in your font but a fallback
mode would be nice in this situation.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-05 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> There is a better font if you need only symbols, choose the "Unicode
> Symbols" link on the following page.
>
> http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
>
> Wolfgang

Great fonts! Really excellent, thanks a lot for the link, Wolfgang!

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-05 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Jan 5, 2008 10:03 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:40:55 +0100
> Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> > Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> >
> > > {\bgroup\definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]\char"2329\egroup}
> >
> > ah so you know the number ...
> >
> > \getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\char"2329}
> >
> > should also work then
>
> Is it also possible to select glyphs with the "Adobe names", I saw you
> have a complete list char-def.lua and it would be nice to write
> \getnamedglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{angleleft} with the same
> result as above.

One thing that you can try is to add
contextname='angleleft'
to the corresponding entry in char-def.lua and then use
\getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\angleleft}
improvements for char-def.lua are welcome anyway.

Hans, should contextnames.txt be deleted now? So that only one list
will be kept up to date.

XeTeX offers \XeTeXglyphdindex{angleleft} (in LuaTeX you can achieve
the same with some coding), but I agree that some high-level macro to
access glyphs by name might be handy.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-05 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:40:55 +0100
Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> 
> > {\bgroup\definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]\char"2329\egroup}
> 
> ah so you know the number ...
> 
> \getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\char"2329}
> 
> should also work then

Is it also possible to select glyphs with the "Adobe names", I saw you
have a complete list char-def.lua and it would be nice to write
\getnamedglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{angleleft} with the same
result as above.

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-05 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:30:09 +0100
"Thomas A. Schmitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 4, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> 
> > The following should work.
> >
> > % engine=luatex
> >
> > \definecharacter anglebracketleft  \char"2329
> > \definecharacter anglebracketright \char"232A
> >
> > \starttext
> >
> > text \anglebracketleft text\anglebracketright\ text
> >
> > \stoptext
> >
> > Wolfgang
> 
> On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> >
> > \definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular] \otfchar{uni0323} % 803 ?
> 
> Hans, Wolfgang,
> 
> thanks a lot! Wolfgang's approach works immediately. \otfchar doesn't  
> seem to work, but I could combine your suggestion with Wolfgang's and  
> now have
> 
> {\bgroup\definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]\char"2329\egroup}
> 
> Cool! Without fiddling with map files and encodings, I can take glyphs  
> from whatever OTF font I want.

There is a better font if you need only symbols, choose the "Unicode
Symbols" link on the following page.

http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:20:45 -0700, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>> BTW, fea files and font features are a bit flaky these days, in the
>> latest two versions, none of my fea gsub stuff works... But it's
>> difficult for me to say whether it is the current version of luaTeX or
>> of ConTeXt which is at fault. Will try to give more useful information
>> when I have a bit more time.
>
> best take the beta (some reported bugs fixed)

Does that include the one I reported? -)

> fea is flaky anyway ... currently fea *replaces* existing features;

FL (and FF?) can export fea files, so one can (in principle) add features  
to the original fea file for further features etc.

> future versions of luatex will do a proper merge but this has a low  
> priority

not too low I hope ;-) it's a great feature (no pun intended)!

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> BTW, fea files and font features are a bit flaky these days, in the  
> latest two versions, none of my fea gsub stuff works... But it's  
> difficult for me to say whether it is the current version of luaTeX or  
> of ConTeXt which is at fault. Will try to give more useful information  
> when I have a bit more time.

best take the beta (some reported bugs fixed)

fea is flaky anyway ... currently fea *replaces* existing features; 
future versions of luatex will do a proper merge but this has a low priority

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> ah so you know the number ...
>
> \getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\char"2329}
>
> should also work then
>

Yes, that works too! Thanks, maybe even easier!

BTW, fea files and font features are a bit flaky these days, in the  
latest two versions, none of my fea gsub stuff works... But it's  
difficult for me to say whether it is the current version of luaTeX or  
of ConTeXt which is at fault. Will try to give more useful information  
when I have a bit more time.

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> {\bgroup\definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]\char"2329\egroup}

ah so you know the number ...

\getglyph{name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular}{\char"2329}

should also work then


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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Jan 4, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> The following should work.
>
> % engine=luatex
>
> \definecharacter anglebracketleft  \char"2329
> \definecharacter anglebracketright \char"232A
>
> \starttext
>
> text \anglebracketleft text\anglebracketright\ text
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang

On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> \definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular] \otfchar{uni0323} % 803 ?

Hans, Wolfgang,

thanks a lot! Wolfgang's approach works immediately. \otfchar doesn't  
seem to work, but I could combine your suggestion with Wolfgang's and  
now have

{\bgroup\definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]\char"2329\egroup}

Cool! Without fiddling with map files and encodings, I can take glyphs  
from whatever OTF font I want.

Thanks so much!

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> 
> I tried several numbers, and get some symbols from TeXGyreHeros, but I  
> haven't yet found out how luaTeX interprets the \char numbers... OTOH,  
> this is a workaround:

mkiv is unicode so \char point to a unicode point

> doesn't use any of those, so I'm saved for today, but will be back in  
> a few weeks when I need the other stuff as well...

\definedfont[name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular] \otfchar{uni0323} % 803 ?


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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:03:28 +0100
"Thomas A. Schmitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> > doesn't \char work?
>
> Depends... fontforge tells me what I'm looking for is, e.g., character
> 803 in TeXGyreHeros-Regular, so I tried this:
>
> \starttypescript[serif][greeksymbols][name]
> \definefontsynonym [Serif] [name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]
> [features=default]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript[GreekSymbols]
> \definetypeface [GreekSymbols] [rm] [serif] [greeksymbols] [default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \usetypescript[GreekSymbols]
>
> \define{\anglebracketleft}%
> {\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[GreekSymbols]\char803\egroup}
>
> I tried several numbers, and get some symbols from TeXGyreHeros, but I
> haven't yet found out how luaTeX interprets the \char numbers... OTOH,
> this is a workaround:

It interprets the numbers in the same way as TeX.

> \define{\anglebracketleft}%
> {\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[GreekSymbols]〈\egroup}

What you're looking for is "ANGLE BRACKET, RIGHT-POINTING".

> but will obviously only work for symbols that are defined in Unicode,
> so nothing in the "private" Unicode area. My presentation next week
> doesn't use any of those, so I'm saved for today, but will be back in
> a few weeks when I need the other stuff as well...

The following should work.

% engine=luatex

\definecharacter anglebracketleft  \char"2329
\definecharacter anglebracketright \char"232A

\starttext

text \anglebracketleft text\anglebracketright\ text

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> doesn't \char work?
>

Depends... fontforge tells me what I'm looking for is, e.g., character  
803 in TeXGyreHeros-Regular, so I tried this:

\starttypescript[serif][greeksymbols][name]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [name:TeXGyreHeros-Regular]  
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[GreekSymbols]
\definetypeface [GreekSymbols] [rm] [serif] [greeksymbols] [default]
\stoptypescript

\usetypescript[GreekSymbols]

\define{\anglebracketleft}%
{\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[GreekSymbols]\char803\egroup}

I tried several numbers, and get some symbols from TeXGyreHeros, but I  
haven't yet found out how luaTeX interprets the \char numbers... OTOH,  
this is a workaround:

\define{\anglebracketleft}%
{\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[GreekSymbols]〈\egroup}

but will obviously only work for symbols that are defined in Unicode,  
so nothing in the "private" Unicode area. My presentation next week  
doesn't use any of those, so I'm saved for today, but will be back in  
a few weeks when I need the other stuff as well...

Thanks

Thomas


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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>>> \startencoding[default]
>>>
>>> probably still works (may change in favor of virtual fonts)
>> Thanks Hans, but nope, doesn't work. The font is found and used (I get
>> glyphs for "normal" characters such as numbers), but the special
>> characters just disappear from the output.
>>
>> Thomas
> 
> Hmm, this is something I need for a presentation next week, so can I  
> ask again: how can I address arbitrary symbols in luaTeX? There has to  
> be some way, right? I'm also quite willing to look into the luaTeX way  
> of constructing a virtual font (I need some metrical and some math  
> symbols which I want to take from a different font), but I'm not sure  
> if there's any example out there how to do this.

doesn't \char work?



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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-04 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> \startencoding[default]
>>
>> probably still works (may change in favor of virtual fonts)
>
> Thanks Hans, but nope, doesn't work. The font is found and used (I get
> glyphs for "normal" characters such as numbers), but the special
> characters just disappear from the output.
>
> Thomas

Hmm, this is something I need for a presentation next week, so can I  
ask again: how can I address arbitrary symbols in luaTeX? There has to  
be some way, right? I'm also quite willing to look into the luaTeX way  
of constructing a virtual font (I need some metrical and some math  
symbols which I want to take from a different font), but I'm not sure  
if there's any example out there how to do this.

Thanks!

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-02 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> \startencoding[default]
>
> probably still works (may change in favor of virtual fonts)

Thanks Hans, but nope, doesn't work. The font is found and used (I get  
glyphs for "normal" characters such as numbers), but the special  
characters just disappear from the output.

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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in luatex?

2008-01-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> first, a very happy new year 2008 to all of you! May ConTeXt continue  
> to prosper and develop at a brisk pace :-)
> 
> What better way to start the new year than asking a stupid question on  
> the list? Here comes: I must be missing something really obvious here.  
> I have a font (otf) with a number of (metrical) symbols which I use in  
> a module. In mkii, I defined an encoding within this module to address  
> the symbols:
> 
> \startencoding[metr]
> \definecharacter metricbreve 66
> \stopencoding
> 
> so I can use the symbold with \metricbreve. Works great in mkii. But  
> how do I do this in mkiv, which doesn't seem to read and use the  
> encoding anymore?

\startencoding[default]

probably still works (may change in favor of virtual fonts)

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols

2007-02-21 Thread Hans Hagen
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Bernd Militzer wrote:
>   
>> Hi all!
>> in the past the following testfile works
>> but now 
>> 
>
> These two lines in your preamble should fix the problem:
>
>\definefontsynonym[fmvr8x][umvs]
>\loadmapline[+][umvs MarVoSym 
>   
is there a fix needed in source files? 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols

2007-02-21 Thread Bernd Militzer
Taco Hoekwater schrieb:
> These two lines in your preamble should fix the problem:
>
>\definefontsynonym[fmvr8x][umvs]
>\loadmapline[+][umvs MarVoSym 
>   
thanks, Bernd
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Re: [NTG-context] Symbols

2007-02-21 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Bernd Militzer wrote:
> Hi all!
> in the past the following testfile works
> but now 

These two lines in your preamble should fix the problem:

   \definefontsynonym[fmvr8x][umvs]
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Re: [NTG-context] symbols in CONTEXT

2003-07-15 Thread Eckhart Guthöhrlein
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:09:34PM +0100, Gonçalo Morais wrote:
> 
> I used to use in LaTeX the symbol with the code \mathbb{R} for representing 
> the set of real numbers. I would like to know how can I do it when I am 
> using CONTEXT. 

\Bbb{R}

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