Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Steven Peck]

I've used http://showmypc.com/ with supporting various family PCs and
a non-profit I support for free.  It works well on XP and Vista over
dial-up (slow w/occasional issues), DSL/Cable and satellite.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org


On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Martin Blackstone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I've used a number of them. LogMeIn Rescue is the tops.
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> From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:30 PM
>
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
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> Subject: Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions
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> We use logmein rescue.
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>  Works smoothly, we have it branded with our company details.
>
>  Doesnt cost much, and can reboot to safe mode with networking and connect
> back to you using existing credentials, etc
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>  Highly recommended.
>
>  Graeme
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> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Roger Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> This looks like a good candidate:
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>  http://www.simple-help.com/product
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>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions
>
>  Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
>  group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
>  Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
>  to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
>  little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
>  when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
>  companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
>  might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
>  our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
>  crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
>  iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
>  others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.
>
>  Jon Lewis
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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Martin Blackstone]

I've used a number of them. LogMeIn Rescue is the tops.

 

 

From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

 

We use logmein rescue.

Works smoothly, we have it branded with our company details.

Doesnt cost much, and can reboot to safe mode with networking and connect
back to you using existing credentials, etc 


Highly recommended.

Graeme



On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Roger Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This looks like a good candidate:

http://www.simple-help.com/product




-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.

Jon Lewis



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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Erik Goldoff]

Thanks ... I've done some trials with it at home, from an XP laptop to/from
an XP desktop, but not at two physically different sites (yet) ... Worked OK
for me on the local tests (even though it still  uses the Internet as
connection intermediary) 

-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

It just never would connect for me.  It's been a month or two but when I
tried it it said "waiting for connection" for the longest time then finally
said "connecting" but it never did.  Just checked my IM log and it was early
March.  Maybe they've got some kinks worked out.  

Jon Lewis


-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Can you elaborate on how crossloop failed for you ?  I'm considering using
it to support some remote clients and am interested in your experience.

Thanks

Erik 

-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this group.
Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting to
move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes little sense
to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one when they're typing
their password.  I've looked around at a few of the companies in this space
and wanted to see what suggestions you guys might have.  I've currently used
logmein which is nice but a little over our price range as we don't have
THAT many clients.  I've tried crossloop but didn't have much luck with
that.  I've also used iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for
me.  What are the others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I
should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Jon B. Lewis]

It just never would connect for me.  It's been a month or two but when I
tried it it said "waiting for connection" for the longest time then
finally said "connecting" but it never did.  Just checked my IM log and
it was early March.  Maybe they've got some kinks worked out.  

Jon Lewis


-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Can you elaborate on how crossloop failed for you ?  I'm considering
using
it to support some remote clients and am interested in your experience.

Thanks

Erik 

-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.
Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to
move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes little
sense
to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one when they're
typing
their password.  I've looked around at a few of the companies in this
space
and wanted to see what suggestions you guys might have.  I've currently
used
logmein which is nice but a little over our price range as we don't have
THAT many clients.  I've tried crossloop but didn't have much luck with
that.  I've also used iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising
for
me.  What are the others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I
should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Erik Goldoff]

Can you elaborate on how crossloop failed for you ?  I'm considering using
it to support some remote clients and am interested in your experience.

Thanks

Erik 

-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this group.
Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting to
move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes little sense
to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one when they're typing
their password.  I've looked around at a few of the companies in this space
and wanted to see what suggestions you guys might have.  I've currently used
logmein which is nice but a little over our price range as we don't have
THAT many clients.  I've tried crossloop but didn't have much luck with
that.  I've also used iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for
me.  What are the others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I
should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ken Schaefer]

Whether or not Vista offers any benefits to you, is something only you can 
decide. But can we have enough of the "Vista has no benefits" or "Vista is the 
bee's knees" posts? This has been *done to death* on the list already.

If people want to share *why* they are moving to Vista, or why they aren't 
(e.g. a technical issue with app compat or something) then that's useful 
information. But the below is worth nothing. You've already posted this before, 
there's no need to post it again.

Cheers
Ken

From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new FASTER 
computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME speed that an 
older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really has little if any to 
offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it! I'm loving this thread, because 
so far I don't hear any good reasons to upgrade to Vista. I've been in IT for 
nearly 44 years. During that time I've seen a lot of changes, and in most cases 
more productivity for smaller amounts of financial investment. But I just have 
a real problem with spending MORE to get virtually nothing for my 
investment..other than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!!  I want to 
thank everyone for reaffirming the decision I had already made for my 
organization.

Murray



From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as fast as 
my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB RAM.

So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.

Graeme




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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Salvador Manzo]

Ken,
Running VMs off a laptop would pretty much immediately put you into the
³more of a power user² camp.  I¹m fairly certain VMs are going to be
primarily I/O bound unless you¹re trying something truly processor or
graphics intensive.


On 5/12/08 6:30 PM, "Ken Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Readyboost won¹t help you with the significant disk I/O that can occur with
> (a) indexing and (b) AV scanning and (c) Outlook PST files. Once the drive is
> spinning, I doubt there is much additional power draw ­ I suspect that there
> isn¹t that much drag. The main power draw in laptops these days (as I
> understand it) are screens and GPUs.
>  
> Maybe I¹m more of a power user, but I can physically see the difference in
> running VMs off a 5400 RPM drive vs. A 7200 RPM drive (identically configured
> Dell Latitude D830s with a couple of VMs on the modular bay drive). The 5400
> RPM drives are slower to start the VMs, and when running through a set of test
> cases take longer to complete (you can see this just by watching the two
> machines side by side).
>  
> Cheers
> Ken
>  
>  
> 
> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 10:24 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>  
> My rule(s) of thumb for minimum RAM to get the job done:
>  
> Light/casual user:  XP 512MB  Vista 1GB
> Average user:  XP 1GB  Vista 2GB
> Power user:  XP 2GB  Vista 3+ GB
>  
> Myself, 90% of the time I¹m only an average user.  Vista @ 2GB is just fine.
> And I don't notice much drag for 5400 rpm drives in the laptop either.  That
> can happen when half of the 2GB RAM is given to cache.  I suspect I could
> reduce disk dependency further with a ReadyBoost drive, much lower power than
> the watts needed for 7200 vs. 5400.
>  
> Carl 
>  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> 
> Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM to
> 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for photoediting
> (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is converting PAL to
> NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7).
> 
> Feel free to reply offlist 
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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ken Schaefer]

Readyboost won't help you with the significant disk I/O that can occur with (a) 
indexing and (b) AV scanning and (c) Outlook PST files. Once the drive is 
spinning, I doubt there is much additional power draw - I suspect that there 
isn't that much drag. The main power draw in laptops these days (as I 
understand it) are screens and GPUs.

Maybe I'm more of a power user, but I can physically see the difference in 
running VMs off a 5400 RPM drive vs. A 7200 RPM drive (identically configured 
Dell Latitude D830s with a couple of VMs on the modular bay drive). The 5400 
RPM drives are slower to start the VMs, and when running through a set of test 
cases take longer to complete (you can see this just by watching the two 
machines side by side).

Cheers
Ken


From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 10:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

My rule(s) of thumb for minimum RAM to get the job done:

Light/casual user:  XP 512MB  Vista 1GB
Average user:  XP 1GB  Vista 2GB
Power user:  XP 2GB  Vista 3+ GB

Myself, 90% of the time I'm only an average user.  Vista @ 2GB is just fine. 
And I don't notice much drag for 5400 rpm drives in the laptop either.  That 
can happen when half of the 2GB RAM is given to cache.  I suspect I could 
reduce disk dependency further with a ReadyBoost drive, much lower power than 
the watts needed for 7200 vs. 5400.

Carl

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM to 
4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for photoediting 
(Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is converting PAL to NTSC, 
or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7).

Feel free to reply offlist 





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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[David L Herrick]

Update 2 AMD boxes update without issue - neither one running OEM
installed OS however

 

From: Peter Schwarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

Just got this Blue Screen on a Thinkpad T60p after installing SP3:

STOP: c139 {Entry Point Not Found} The procedure entry point
GdiGetBitmapBitSize could not be located in the dynamic link library
GDI32.dll.

 

Solution:

1. boot from a Windows CD and go for the repair option.

2. Copy gdi32.dll from c:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386\gdi32.dll to
c:\windows\system32\gdi32.dll. 

3. Reboot normally

 

Peter

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed
there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to
know how that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the
update.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Peter Schwarz]

Just got this Blue Screen on a Thinkpad T60p after installing SP3:

STOP: c139 {Entry Point Not Found} The procedure entry point
GdiGetBitmapBitSize could not be located in the dynamic link library
GDI32.dll.

 

Solution:

1. boot from a Windows CD and go for the repair option.

2. Copy gdi32.dll from c:\windows\servicepackfiles\i386\gdi32.dll to
c:\windows\system32\gdi32.dll. 

3. Reboot normally

 

Peter

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed
there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to
know how that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the
update.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

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RE: R: R: Why XP is doomed

[Ken Schaefer]

Features are already locked for Vista R2 (or whatever the next mini version of 
the OS will be), so expect that to be on time.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 4:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: R: R: Why XP is doomed

Personally I doubt that Windows 7 will be released when the pundits think/say 
it will be.  If Microsoft is true to form and I see that they will be so far 
then you will be waiting about 2+ years beyond the current scheduled release 
date.

YMMV and that is very strictly a personal observation.

Jon
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Mike Semon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am going to stay with XP as long as I can. Vista does not bring anything new 
to the party to justify the upgrade. Five years between operating systems

is not too long. Big companies typically refresh workstations after 36 months 
and laptops 24 months. So a minimum of 36 months between new operating

systems is acceptable. I think everyone expected more after waiting 5 yrs for a 
new operating system. Vista does not justify the additional expense and

training required. I like many large companies are waiting on the side lines 
for Windows 7. Hopefully this one will be ready for prime time.



Mike





From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:40 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: FW: R: R: Why XP is doomed





XP isn't doomed, WE ARE I've been in this "racket" for nearly 44 years, and 
I've seen a lot. I go back to hand wiring boards to "program" something. When 
the personal computer appeared, it was wonderful. Over the years we went from 
DOS to Windows thru 9X and finally to NT (win2K) and finally to XP. I have no 
intention of EVER going to Vista, when it really adds nothing to the way I use 
a computer. And as Micheal says, we keep having to buy newer "faster" hardware 
to just keep up with our productivity. LONG LIVE XP!!!



Murray











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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ken Schaefer]

There are lots of laptop models that have 7200 RPM as an option. All of our new 
Latitudes are coming with 7200 RPM disks (probably a couple of thousand this 
year). Over at MSFT, their IBM Thinkpads are defaulting to 7200 RPM, and I 
expect their other vendors will be going that way too.

It's now only on the cheaper models, or the ultralights, where 7200 RPM isn't 
being offered. 7200 RPM still does have a price premium over 5400 RPM (as well 
as reduced space).

Cheers
Ken

From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 2:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: R: Why XP is doomed

15k for SAS were until a couple of monthes ago only for SAS 3.5'' .Now they are 
out also for SAS 2.5'.
Manufacturers started now to ship some models of laptops with 2.5'' 7200 rpm


GuidoElia
HELPPC



Da: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: lunedì 12 maggio 2008 17.21
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed
Ok, maybe the 80's was a stretch, I was kidding.

But 72000 RPM 2.5" disks have been out for a few years I would imagine.  At 
least three years I would imagine, since I have been working with laptops.  
Usually you have to buy them separately, as the manufacturer does not ship them.

Even 10,000 RPM 2.5" drives are out now.  SAS and SATA.

I just got a 15K RPM in my workstation now.











From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed



You are wrong . On laptops 7200rpm disks are new! Some brands started now to 
distribute them on laptops and for workstations 1 rpm SATA

GuidoElia
HELPPC



Da: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: lunedì 12 maggio 2008 16.48
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed
I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks.  That's so 1980's.   I throw 7200 
in all our laptops, heat has never been a problem.  Now, on an ultra-portable 
or tablet, I could see how it could be...  But then again, there are many 7200 
RPM drives that claim they are just as cool as 5400 rpm drives...

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Doesn't putting in a 7200 spin disk increase the heat factor?  I always thought 
that was the reason some laptops come with 5400 spin drives to keep the heat 
down.

Bill Lambert
Concuity
847-941-9206

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

My wife has a top of the line Sony SZ48 series Vaio. Fantastic machine - carbon 
fibre case, weighs next to nothing, two GPUs. Performance out of the box is 
abysmal. I replaced the drive with a 7200 RPM disk, upped the RAM, and tried to 
remove as much Sony crapware as possible (it even comes with its own copy of 
SQL Server to manage your media - because WMP obviously can't do that). Runs a 
lot better now, but I suspect it'll run a lot better with a clean install.

Cheers
Ken

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Check out this story:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=429

It's a perfect example of a manufacturer shipping a Vista machine with 
unacceptable performance. This resulted in a black eye for the manufacturer 
(Sony in this case, but they're not the only ones to do this) and a lost 
customer for the manufacturer and Microsoft alike.

I didn't participate in the Vista beta, but I did grab it as soon as it RTM'd. 
I installed it on my home desktop, which is a modest box (Pentium D CPU w/ 2 GB 
of RAM) I built myself a good year before Vista was released. It ran great. 
Still does. Now, if I could run Vista fine on a machine that I built from parts 
that were never designed to work with Vista, why is it that PC manufacturers 
can't ship brand new machines that work as well?


John


From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we can't 
blame the new OS?

Oh yes we can.

--Matt ross

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
users, and the OS gets the blame.



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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Carl Houseman]

You can install 4GB in 32-bit Vista but you'll probably only get to use 3GB
or slightly more.  That's why you see a lot of machines being sold with 3GB
lately.  They might in fact have 4GB physically installed, don't know about
that.

 

Carl

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

My Pentium D is only 2.8 GHz, so you've got me beat there. I've also got
just 2 GB of RAM. I use Photoshop, but not working with huge images and no
video editing. I don't think you can do 4 GB without going 64-bit, right?

 

My system rates 4.7 on the Windows Experience Index, with the lowest
subscore being on the processor.

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 


Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM
to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for photoediting
(Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is converting PAL to
NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7). 

Feel free to reply offlist  



 

 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Carl Houseman]

There wasn't any significant reason to leave Windows 2000 Pro for XP at the
time.  In fact the slower hardware of the time caused many to turn off new
XP features effectively making it Windows 2000 with a new color scheme.

 

One thing nobody's mentioned that I like about Vista, the volume mixer.
Instead of one volume for everything, you can set the volume for each
application separately, so if one thing is too loud while another is too
quiet, you can fix that.  Yeah this alone isn't much, but it adds to the
pot.  Also like the snipping tool.

 

I'm not saying anyone should upgrade existing hardware to Vista, just that
if you happen to be buying new hardware, and you're buying 2+ GB of RAM and
dual core CPUs, might as well go for Vista*.  Sooner or later (unless you
are very protected from users in the backoffice) you're going to have to
help somebody with a Vista-specific issue.  Sure, postpone the change for
the organization if you must, but get your feet wet now before you're under
the gun.

 

Carl

 

From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new FASTER
computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME speed that an
older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really has little if any to
offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it! I'm loving this thread,
because so far I don't hear any good reasons to upgrade to Vista. I've been
in IT for nearly 44 years. During that time I've seen a lot of changes, and
in most cases more productivity for smaller amounts of financial investment.
But I just have a real problem with spending MORE to get virtually nothing
for my investment..other than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!!  I
want to thank everyone for reaffirming the decision I had already made for
my organization.

Murray

 

 

  _  

From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed

I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as fast
as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB RAM.

So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.

Graeme



On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008
03:53:29 PM: 



> Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good 
> enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for 
> Workgroups and DOS-but that's not the point.

 

>   
> Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
> requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher 
> requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to 
> have higher requirements than the OS before it. 
>   
> But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I 
> mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D processor-
> which is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works just 
> fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen 
> in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The 
> author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with 
> Vista without changing the hardware at all. 

Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM
to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for photoediting
(Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is converting PAL to
NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7). 

Feel free to reply offlist  


>   
>   
>   
> John Hornbuckle 
> MIS Department 
> Taylor County School District 
> 318 North Clark Street 
> Perry, FL 32347 
>   
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us 
>   
>   
>   
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed 
>   
> 
> Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:
> 
> > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor 
> > should take some blame. 
> 
> I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp,
> but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or 
> can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware. 



 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[John Hornbuckle]

If your organization doesn't need things like increased security,
improved ease of management, and better performance with offline files
and folders, then no-Vista probably wouldn't be of use to you. Ditto for
improved sleep/hibernate and increased speed through ReadyBoost and
SuperFetch.

 

For my organization, these new features bring benefits over XP. In fact,
most organizations benefit from improved speed, security, and
reliability. But if yours doesn't, that's okay.

 

 

 

John 

 

 

From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new
FASTER computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME
speed that an older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really has
little if any to offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it! I'm
loving this thread, because so far I don't hear any good reasons to
upgrade to Vista. I've been in IT for nearly 44 years. During that time
I've seen a lot of changes, and in most cases more productivity for
smaller amounts of financial investment. But I just have a real problem
with spending MORE to get virtually nothing for my investment..other
than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!!  I want to thank everyone
for reaffirming the decision I had already made for my organization.

Murray

 

 



From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed

I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as
fast as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB
RAM.

So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.

Graeme



On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008
03:53:29 PM: 



> Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good 
> enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for 
> Workgroups and DOS-but that's not the point.

 

>   
> Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
> requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher 
> requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to 
> have higher requirements than the OS before it. 
>   
> But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I 
> mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D processor-
> which is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works just 
> fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen 
> in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The 
> author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with 
> Vista without changing the hardware at all. 

Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the
RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for
photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is
converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7).


Feel free to reply offlist  


>   
>   
>   
> John Hornbuckle 
> MIS Department 
> Taylor County School District 
> 318 North Clark Street 
> Perry, FL 32347 
>   
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us 
>   
>   
>   
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed 
>   
> 
> Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:
> 
> > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor 
> > should take some blame. 
> 
> I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp,
> but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or 
> can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware. 
> 

> 
> 

> 
> 

> 




-- 
Carbon credits are a bit like beating someone up on this side of the
world and sponsoring one of those poor starving kids on the other side
of the world to make up for the fact that you're a complete shit at
home. 

 

 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[John Hornbuckle]

My Pentium D is only 2.8 GHz, so you've got me beat there. I've also got
just 2 GB of RAM. I use Photoshop, but not working with huge images and
no video editing. I don't think you can do 4 GB without going 64-bit,
right?

 

My system rates 4.7 on the Windows Experience Index, with the lowest
subscore being on the processor.

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 


Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the
RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for
photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is
converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7).


Feel free to reply offlist  





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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Carl Houseman]

My rule(s) of thumb for minimum RAM to get the job done:

 

Light/casual user:  XP 512MB  Vista 1GB

Average user:  XP 1GB  Vista 2GB

Power user:  XP 2GB  Vista 3+ GB

 

Myself, 90% of the time I'm only an average user.  Vista @ 2GB is just fine.
And I don't notice much drag for 5400 rpm drives in the laptop either.  That
can happen when half of the 2GB RAM is given to cache.  I suspect I could
reduce disk dependency further with a ReadyBoost drive, much lower power
than the watts needed for 7200 vs. 5400.

 

Carl 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed


Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM
to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for photoediting
(Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is converting PAL to
NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7). 

Feel free to reply offlist  





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Re: Strange PC issue

[Kurt Buff]

And don't forget to fill out that TPS report before you go, too.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Martin Blackstone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I'll need it done before you go home.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:59 PM
>
>
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: Strange PC issue
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Michael, I'll update the driver in the morning...
>
>
>
>
> Joe Heaton
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:53 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: Strange PC issue
>
> Sure have. Take a look at the default printer and it's driver…
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> MCSE/Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:40 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: Strange PC issue
>
>
>
>
> Anyone see an issue where you try to access printing preferences from an
> application, and the app then crashes?  Or try to access printing
> preferences straight from the printer icon, and explorer.exe crashes?  I've
> got a user experiencing this, in pretty much all apps except Excel, and
> before I just re-image the box, I was wondering if any of you guys had seen
> anything like this.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Heaton
>
> AISA
>
> Employment Training Panel
>
> 1100 J Street, 4th Floor
>
> Sacramento, CA  95814
>
> (916) 327-5276
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Bob Fronk]

https://express.gotoassist.com/

Free for now if you sign up.  Rumor is it will have a low monthly fee
after beta.

Bob Fronk
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



> -Original Message-
> From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions
> 
> Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
> group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our
area.
> Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're
wanting
> to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
> little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
> when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of
the
> companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
> might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little
over
> our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
> crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
> iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
> others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.
> 
> Jon Lewis
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Jeffrey Showen]

We use Panasonic Toughbooks and the 5400 RPM drives handle
shock-&-vibe testing (and real life) much better than the 7200s - so
much so that you cannot order a Toughbook with a 7200!

Jeff Showen
Systems Engineer
Team TACLAN

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Bill Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Doesn't putting in a 7200 spin disk increase the heat factor?  I always
> thought that was the reason some laptops come with 5400 spin drives to keep
> the heat down.
>
>
>
>
> Bill Lambert
>
> Concuity
>
> 847-941-9206
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:46 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My wife has a top of the line Sony SZ48 series Vaio. Fantastic machine –
> carbon fibre case, weighs next to nothing, two GPUs. Performance out of the
> box is abysmal. I replaced the drive with a 7200 RPM disk, upped the RAM,
> and tried to remove as much Sony crapware as possible (it even comes with
> its own copy of SQL Server to manage your media – because WMP obviously
> can't do that). Runs a lot better now, but I suspect it'll run a lot better
> with a clean install.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Check out this story:
>
>
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=429
>
>
>
> It's a perfect example of a manufacturer shipping a Vista machine with
> unacceptable performance. This resulted in a black eye for the manufacturer
> (Sony in this case, but they're not the only ones to do this) and a lost
> customer for the manufacturer and Microsoft alike.
>
>
>
> I didn't participate in the Vista beta, but I did grab it as soon as it
> RTM'd. I installed it on my home desktop, which is a modest box (Pentium D
> CPU w/ 2 GB of RAM) I built myself a good year before Vista was released. It
> ran great. Still does. Now, if I could run Vista fine on a machine that I
> built from parts that were never designed to work with Vista, why is it that
> PC manufacturers can't ship brand new machines that work as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:44 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we
> can't blame the new OS?
>
> Oh yes we can.
>
> --Matt ross
> 
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
> people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
> that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
> released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
> that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
> bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
> users, and the OS gets the blame.
>
>
>
>
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RE: Strange PC issue

[Martin Blackstone]

I'll need it done before you go home. 

Thanks

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange PC issue

 

Thanks Michael, I'll update the driver in the morning...

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

  _  

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange PC issue

Sure have. Take a look at the default printer and it's driver.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Strange PC issue

 

Anyone see an issue where you try to access printing preferences from an
application, and the app then crashes?  Or try to access printing
preferences straight from the printer icon, and explorer.exe crashes?  I've
got a user experiencing this, in pretty much all apps except Excel, and
before I just re-image the box, I was wondering if any of you guys had seen
anything like this.

 

Joe Heaton

AISA

Employment Training Panel

1100 J Street, 4th Floor

Sacramento, CA  95814

(916) 327-5276

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Murray Freeman]

Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new
FASTER computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME
speed that an older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really has
little if any to offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it! I'm
loving this thread, because so far I don't hear any good reasons to
upgrade to Vista. I've been in IT for nearly 44 years. During that time
I've seen a lot of changes, and in most cases more productivity for
smaller amounts of financial investment. But I just have a real problem
with spending MORE to get virtually nothing for my investment..other
than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!!  I want to thank everyone
for reaffirming the decision I had already made for my organization.

Murray

 



From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed


I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as
fast as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB
RAM.

So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.

Graeme



On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on
05/12/2008 03:53:29 PM: 


> Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is
good 
> enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for 
> Workgroups and DOS-but that's not the point.

>   
> Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has
higher
> requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher 
> requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely
to 
> have higher requirements than the OS before it. 
>   
> But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high.
As I 
> mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D
processor-
> which is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works
just 
> fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as
seen 
> in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory.
The 
> author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly
with 
> Vista without changing the hardware at all. 


Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I
bumped the RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this
PC for photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case
is converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero
7). 

Feel free to reply offlist  


>   
>   
>   
> John Hornbuckle 
> MIS Department 
> Taylor County School District 
> 318 North Clark Street 
> Perry, FL 32347 
>   
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us 
>   
>   
>   
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed 
>   
> 
> Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008
03:58:17 AM:
> 
> > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the
vendor 
> > should take some blame. 
> 
> I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered
for Xp,
> but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't
(or 
> can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware. 
> 

> 
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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

you certainly will need administrative privs to modify this setting.
it is the same setting that the tool that Sam referenced modifies.

On 5/12/08, Miguel Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do I need admin permissions to add this registry entry
> when run from the logon script or any user could add
> it?
>
> Miguel
>
> --- Micheal Espinola Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> escribió:
>
> > Yes, via a registry hack:
> >
> > Registry location:
> >
> >
> >
> HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
> >
> > Key DWORD value name:
> >
> >   DoNotAllowSP
> >
> > Values:
> >
> >   1 = WU/MU/AU delivery is disabled
> >   anything else =  delivery is enabled
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Miguel Gonzalez
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is there any way to control in the GPO that
> > service
> > >  packs are not downloaded automatically in the
> > domain
> > >  machines?
> > >
> > >  I want to have the flexibility that minor updates
> > are
> > >  installed but not service packs
> > >
> > >  Is that possible?
> > >
> > >  Miguel
> > >
> > >
> > >  --- David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  escribió:
> > >
> > >
> > >  > Clean on the first dozen machines
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > David
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
> > >
> > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > >
> > > > Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through
> > WSUS?
> > >  >  I have it listed
> > >  > there now, but the approval is Detect Only at
> > the
> > >  > moment.  Would like to
> > >  > know how that avenue went/is going for some
> > others
> > >  > before I approve the
> > >  > update.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Thanks,
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Joe Heaton
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > 
> > >  >
> > >  > From: David W. McSpadden
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
> > >
> > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > >
> > >
> > > > Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> > >  >
> > >  > Had a couple family members call last night
> > about
> > >  > SP3 killing their
> > >  > machines.
> > >  >
> > >  > They use Windows Updates nightly and when they
> > >  > rebooted their machine it
> > >  > wouldn't come up.
> > >  >
> > >  > After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport
> > and
> > >  > they told me there is
> > >  > an issue with the WindowsUpdate
> > >  >
> > >  > version of SP3 and to have it blocked from
> > being
> > >  > downloaded on any other
> > >  > machine until it is resolved.
> > >  >
> > >  > They seemed to know all about it because they
> > >  > stepped me through the
> > >  > correct SafeMode fix for it.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Didn't know what anybody else knew.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Good night.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > IT works,
> > >  > but keeping IT working is the hard part.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Automation is great,
> > >  > until it breaks.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
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RE: Strange PC issue

[Joe Heaton]

Thanks Michael, I'll update the driver in the morning...
 
Joe Heaton
 



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange PC issue



Sure have. Take a look at the default printer and it's driver...

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Strange PC issue

 

Anyone see an issue where you try to access printing preferences from an
application, and the app then crashes?  Or try to access printing
preferences straight from the printer icon, and explorer.exe crashes?
I've got a user experiencing this, in pretty much all apps except Excel,
and before I just re-image the box, I was wondering if any of you guys
had seen anything like this.

 

Joe Heaton

AISA

Employment Training Panel

1100 J Street, 4th Floor

Sacramento, CA  95814

(916) 327-5276

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 






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RE: Strange PC issue

[Michael B. Smith]

Sure have. Take a look at the default printer and it's driver.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Strange PC issue

 

Anyone see an issue where you try to access printing preferences from an
application, and the app then crashes?  Or try to access printing
preferences straight from the printer icon, and explorer.exe crashes?  I've
got a user experiencing this, in pretty much all apps except Excel, and
before I just re-image the box, I was wondering if any of you guys had seen
anything like this.

 

Joe Heaton

AISA

Employment Training Panel

1100 J Street, 4th Floor

Sacramento, CA  95814

(916) 327-5276

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Steven Peck]

It's one of mine too.  On the plus side, I solved the XP sp3 problem
by migrating the last of the family systems I support to Vista.  Don't
support desktops at work (YAY!).

Steven Peck

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> A pet peeve.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:49 AM
>
>
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
>
>
> Is that your Friday funny?
>
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> System Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:39 AM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
> What is M$?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:18 AM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
> Why SP's with M$ are always a wait and see, it usually never goes smoothly.
>
>
>
> Z
>
>
>
>
> Edward E. Ziots
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
>
> Phone: 401-639-3505
>
> -Original Message-
>  From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:15 AM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
> So why doesn't Microsoft remove the Windows Update version from Windows
> Update?  Gezzz.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
>
> Had a couple family members call last night about SP3 killing their
> machines.
>
>
> They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine it
> wouldn't come up.
>
>
> After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there is an
> issue with the WindowsUpdate
>
>
> version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any other
> machine until it is resolved.
>
>
> They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the correct
> SafeMode fix for it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Didn't know what anybody else knew.
>
>
>
>
>
> Good night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IT works,
>  but keeping IT working is the hard part.
>
>
>
>
>
> Automation is great,
>  until it breaks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Miguel Gonzalez]

Do I need admin permissions to add this registry entry
when run from the logon script or any user could add
it?

Miguel

--- Micheal Espinola Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
escribió:

> Yes, via a registry hack:
> 
> Registry location:
> 
>  
>
HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
> 
> Key DWORD value name:
> 
>   DoNotAllowSP
> 
> Values:
> 
>   1 = WU/MU/AU delivery is disabled
>   anything else =  delivery is enabled
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Miguel Gonzalez
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is there any way to control in the GPO that
> service
> >  packs are not downloaded automatically in the
> domain
> >  machines?
> >
> >  I want to have the flexibility that minor updates
> are
> >  installed but not service packs
> >
> >  Is that possible?
> >
> >  Miguel
> >
> >
> >  --- David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  escribió:
> >
> >
> >  > Clean on the first dozen machines
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > David
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
> >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > > Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through
> WSUS?
> >  >  I have it listed
> >  > there now, but the approval is Detect Only at
> the
> >  > moment.  Would like to
> >  > know how that avenue went/is going for some
> others
> >  > before I approve the
> >  > update.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Thanks,
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Joe Heaton
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > 
> >  >
> >  > From: David W. McSpadden
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
> >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> >
> > > Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> >  >
> >  > Had a couple family members call last night
> about
> >  > SP3 killing their
> >  > machines.
> >  >
> >  > They use Windows Updates nightly and when they
> >  > rebooted their machine it
> >  > wouldn't come up.
> >  >
> >  > After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport
> and
> >  > they told me there is
> >  > an issue with the WindowsUpdate
> >  >
> >  > version of SP3 and to have it blocked from
> being
> >  > downloaded on any other
> >  > machine until it is resolved.
> >  >
> >  > They seemed to know all about it because they
> >  > stepped me through the
> >  > correct SafeMode fix for it.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Didn't know what anybody else knew.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Good night.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > IT works,
> >  > but keeping IT working is the hard part.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Automation is great,
> >  > until it breaks.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > This email and any attached files are
> confidential
> >  > and intended solely for the intended
> recipient(s).
> >  > If you are not the named recipient you should
> not
> >  > read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any
> >  > views or opinions expressed in this email are
> those
> >  > of the author and do not represent those of the
> >  > Names in the News company. Warning: Although
> >
> > > precautions have been taken to make sure no
> viruses
> >  > are present in this email, the company cannot
> accept
> >  > responsibility for any loss or damage that
> arise
> >  > from the use of this email or attachments.
> >
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Strange PC issue

[Joe Heaton]

Anyone see an issue where you try to access printing preferences from an
application, and the app then crashes?  Or try to access printing
preferences straight from the printer icon, and explorer.exe crashes?
I've got a user experiencing this, in pretty much all apps except Excel,
and before I just re-image the box, I was wondering if any of you guys
had seen anything like this.
 
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA  95814
(916) 327-5276
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Sam Cayze]

Microsoft provides some 'Blocker Toolkits'

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d7c9a07a-5267-4bd6-87d0-e2a72099edb7&DisplayLang=en




 

-Original Message-
From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

Is there any way to control in the GPO that service packs are not downloaded 
automatically in the domain machines?

I want to have the flexibility that minor updates are installed but not service 
packs

Is that possible?

Miguel


--- David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
escribió:

> Clean on the first dozen machines
> 
>  
> 
> David
> 
>  
> 
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> 
>  
> 
> Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?
>  I have it listed
> there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like 
> to know how that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve 
> the update.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Joe Heaton
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> 
> Had a couple family members call last night about
> SP3 killing their
> machines.
> 
> They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine 
> it wouldn't come up.
> 
> After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there 
> is an issue with the WindowsUpdate
> 
> version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any 
> other machine until it is resolved.
> 
> They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the 
> correct SafeMode fix for it.
> 
>  
> 
> Didn't know what anybody else knew.
> 
>  
> 
> Good night.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> IT works,
> but keeping IT working is the hard part.  
> 
>  
> 
> Automation is great,
> until it breaks.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely 
> for the intended recipient(s).
> If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, 
> copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this 
> email are those of the author and do not represent those of the Names 
> in the News company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to 
> make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot 
> accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use 
> of this email or attachments.
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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Yes, via a registry hack:

Registry location:

  HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate

Key DWORD value name:

  DoNotAllowSP

Values:

  1 = WU/MU/AU delivery is disabled
  anything else =  delivery is enabled



On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Miguel Gonzalez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any way to control in the GPO that service
>  packs are not downloaded automatically in the domain
>  machines?
>
>  I want to have the flexibility that minor updates are
>  installed but not service packs
>
>  Is that possible?
>
>  Miguel
>
>
>  --- David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  escribió:
>
>
>  > Clean on the first dozen machines
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > David
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
>
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> > Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?
>  >  I have it listed
>  > there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the
>  > moment.  Would like to
>  > know how that avenue went/is going for some others
>  > before I approve the
>  > update.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Thanks,
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Joe Heaton
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > 
>  >
>  > From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
>
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>
>
> > Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>  >
>  > Had a couple family members call last night about
>  > SP3 killing their
>  > machines.
>  >
>  > They use Windows Updates nightly and when they
>  > rebooted their machine it
>  > wouldn't come up.
>  >
>  > After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and
>  > they told me there is
>  > an issue with the WindowsUpdate
>  >
>  > version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being
>  > downloaded on any other
>  > machine until it is resolved.
>  >
>  > They seemed to know all about it because they
>  > stepped me through the
>  > correct SafeMode fix for it.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Didn't know what anybody else knew.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Good night.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > IT works,
>  > but keeping IT working is the hard part.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Automation is great,
>  > until it breaks.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Miguel Gonzalez]

Is there any way to control in the GPO that service
packs are not downloaded automatically in the domain
machines?

I want to have the flexibility that minor updates are
installed but not service packs

Is that possible?

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> Clean on the first dozen machines 
> 
>  
> 
> David
> 
>  
> 
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> 
>  
> 
> Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?
>  I have it listed
> there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the
> moment.  Would like to
> know how that avenue went/is going for some others
> before I approve the
> update.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Joe Heaton
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
> 
> Had a couple family members call last night about
> SP3 killing their
> machines.
> 
> They use Windows Updates nightly and when they
> rebooted their machine it
> wouldn't come up.
> 
> After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and
> they told me there is
> an issue with the WindowsUpdate
> 
> version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being
> downloaded on any other
> machine until it is resolved.
> 
> They seemed to know all about it because they
> stepped me through the
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RE: Need Perfmon help.

[Jim Majorowicz]

Thanks Bob.  You helped me nail the last part of this.  This server hosted a
copy of the AutoCAD vault for a few months and for some reason when the
vault was moved and removed from this server the Index for those files was
still listed.  It's kind of hard to index files that no longer exist.  I've
removed that index and have stopped the service, because the other stuff
listed doesn't really matter.  I should be seeing a dramatic improvement
with tomorrows reports.

 

 

From: Free, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

Sorry, forgot to mention, you can also tweak it from R-Click on Indexing
Service->All Tasks->Tune Performance. You should be able to chill it out at
least temporarily while you ascertain what is going on by selecting
Customize and moving Indexing toward lazy.

 

From: Free, Bob 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

Poke around in Computer Management|Services and Applications|Indexing
Service and see what you are indexing. You can also query the catalog there
and maybe bring the server the rest of the way to it's knees J

 

Just kidding on the latter.

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

Machael,

 

Thank you very much for your time today.  Do you have any tips on how I can
figure out what it's actually indexing?

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

Then you definitely need to investigate what CISVC is indexing and see if
it's "too much". It almost certainly is.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

Sorry about the confusion on Store.  Stopping the Index service does seem to
cause the numbers to jump in the right direction, but I didn't really stop
it for more than a 20 seconds or so.  Just enough to make sure the jump was
related.

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

CISVC is the Content Indexing Service. If you have a lot of "churn" in your
filesystem, that can eat up lots of I/O while CISVC tries to catch up. You
should look at what CI is indexing and see if it's too much.

 

Apache will, by default, write voluminous logfiles (as IIS can too, but IIS
uses a buffered algorithm while Apache, not optimized for Windows, does
not). You may want to see if you can direct those to another volume (like an
external USB drive).

 

Store is spending more of its time in write than read? That's interesting.
That generally indicates you have a very high incoming e-mail velocity.

 

If you stop the Content Indexing Service temporarily, do things immediately
get better?

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

CISVC then System.  Apache seems to like writing a lot, and Store.
Blackberry spends a lot of time In other..

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

I hope you mean 4 GB of RAM. J

 

Yes, those numbers sound OK.

 

You need to switch to the performance tab and investigate who is page
faulting the most and who is generating the most I/O delta (that is, the I/O
read, i/o write, i/o other is increasing the most quickly).

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

The system has 4Mb of ram with 1.2 GB free, but the pf usage is 2.74GB.
Store is the largest abuser at about 1.2Gb, but I've always felt that was
about normal for an SBS box.  What should I look for here?

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need Perfmon help.

 

Performance is an art, not a science. That being said, start off by using
task manager. 

 

On the Performance tab, how much physical memory is free? How committed is
the page file? If those numbers are bad, you can probably stop. 

 

If not, on the Processes tab, add Page faults, Page faults delta, I/O Reads,
I/O Writes, and I/O Other; and let's find out what tasks are using the I/O.

 

That'll probably be hint.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExch

Re: Why XP is doomed

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

That is the majority of my underling sentiment.  Excellent
summarizing.  Thank you.

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Phillip Partipilo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The OS is just hosting the applications that I use to get my job done.  XP
> is good enough for this task.  No reason whatsoever to upgrade.
>
>  Michael B. Smith wrote:
>
> > Hah. I blogged on this just yesterday:
> >
> >
> http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2008/05/09/just-fluff-
> > on-vista.aspx
> >
> > And  no, I didn't read Cringely... I think it was something Paul Thurrott
> > wrote that was the "straw/camel's back" for me. I dunno, I read too many
> > things every day.
> >
> > Granted, I'm not the average user. Not even the average power user. I've
> got
> > physical machines that run XP, that run Vista, that run Server 2008, that
> > run Server 2003 - and believe it or not, one that runs Linux. And probably
> > twice as many virtuals as I've got physicals.
> >
> > The market can't have it every way. Since XP was released, Microsoft has
> > been absolutely PUMMELLED by spam, by viruses, by worms, by lack of
> hardware
> > capabilities, by lack of software capabilities, etc. etc. etc. Microsoft
> > responded to what the market demanded, and Vista is the answer.
> >
> > Graphically, Vista is gorgeous - if you have the graphics horsepower to
> make
> > it happen. Vista provides software support for technologies that weren't
> > even conceived of when XP was released. The hardware support that Vista
> > provides makes it MUCH easier for the OS to NOT crash when there are
> driver
> > bugs. Or bugs in any add-on product. And on and on and on.
> >
> > All of those things come at a cost - in memory and in processor.
> >
> > If you want a minimal version of Vista - go install Server 2008. See how
> > lean and mean it is. And how little it can do in the base configuration.
> > Then, start adding the features and roles you require in order to get to a
> > workable desktop machine, and see how those changes impact performance. In
> > some ways, a desktop machine has to be more powerful than a server. It
> > certainly has to have more "fluff".
> >
> > I'm not a Microsoft "rah rah" man. However, I'm well aware of where I make
> > my money - and that's based on Microsoft products. I criticize the
> Microsoft
> > machine on a daily basis - and I do it in public forums, such as this one,
> > on my blog; and I do it in private forums, for betas (and even alphas) of
> > certain software that I take a particular interest in.
> >
> > Vista _IS_ sucky in some ways. And I've bugged those that affect me. For
> > example, even after SP1, wireless doesn't "just work" like it did in XP.
> > Many users have to reboot when switching wireless connections. For me, I'm
> > tech savvy enough to open a command prompt and do an "ipconfig /renew".
> It's
> > irritating.
> >
> > But does that mean that Vista is going away? Don't be silly. Even if you
> > hate Vista, it introduces many technologies that are part of the future of
> > computing. You need to learn it. It's the stepping stone to what comes
> next.
> >
> > Microsoft isn't abandoning Vista. They've made that clear too. Many people
> > have taken the fact that there is so much talk about Windows 7 already to
> > mean that Microsoft is abandoning Vista. The only reason that they can
> make
> > THAT claim is because they choose to ignore that Microsoft has also stated
> > that "never again" will there be 5+ years between operating system
> releases.
> > It was simply too long, and Microsoft heard that message too.
> >
> > You don't have to get with the program. But you should. Time marches on.
> And
> > so does software - and hardware - and Microsoft.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > MCSE/Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May
> 10, 2008 10:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> >
> > MS's earnings were disappointing? Welcome to 2008. They can stand in line
> > with the other 80% of companies with the same problems.
> >
> > As for support, XP has been around since 2001 and mainstream support goes
> > until Apr. 2009.
> > That's a damn long life cycle for any software maker. This is the same
> > whining that went on with Windows 98 and Windows 2000. I don't remember
> the
> > world ending in either case. Think about what other software was released
> in
> > 2001 and if it's still support. I wonder if Adobe still supports Photoshop
> > 6.0? I'll bet Apple still supports OSX 10.0.0, but Apple seems to be
> living
> > the rock star life these days.
> >
> > Now Ill also say I'm still a HUGE XP fan. I use XP at home on all my
> > machines. My work machine is Vista and while I don't really dislike it, it
> > really doesn't do much for me either. But eventually the time will come to
> > upgrade, and I'm sure my world won't end e

Re: Why XP is doomed

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

In many cases yes - but not all

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008
> 01:28:13 PM:
>
>
>  > I like the extra security Vista provides. I also like that when my techs
>  > work on users' machines, they can do things that require admin rights
>  > without logging in with an admin account. It speeds up certain tasks
>  > considerably.
>  >
>
> That could be helpful. Can you not do a lot of the same things by doing a
> "runas cmd", then doing the install or whatever from the resulting command
> environment)?
>
>
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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

I agree.  5400 RPM is just doggedly slow in this day and age.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Sam Cayze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks.  That's so 1980's.   I throw
> 7200 in all our laptops, heat has never been a problem.  Now, on an
> ultra-portable or tablet, I could see how it could be...  But then again,
> there are many 7200 RPM drives that claim they are just as cool as 5400 rpm
> drives...
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:04 AM
>
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
> Doesn't putting in a 7200 spin disk increase the heat factor?  I always
> thought that was the reason some laptops come with 5400 spin drives to keep
> the heat down.
>
>
>
>
> Bill Lambert
>
> Concuity
>
> 847-941-9206
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:46 AM
>
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
> My wife has a top of the line Sony SZ48 series Vaio. Fantastic machine –
> carbon fibre case, weighs next to nothing, two GPUs. Performance out of the
> box is abysmal. I replaced the drive with a 7200 RPM disk, upped the RAM,
> and tried to remove as much Sony crapware as possible (it even comes with
> its own copy of SQL Server to manage your media – because WMP obviously
> can't do that). Runs a lot better now, but I suspect it'll run a lot better
> with a clean install.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:22 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
> Check out this story:
>
>
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=429
>
>
>
> It's a perfect example of a manufacturer shipping a Vista machine with
> unacceptable performance. This resulted in a black eye for the manufacturer
> (Sony in this case, but they're not the only ones to do this) and a lost
> customer for the manufacturer and Microsoft alike.
>
>
>
> I didn't participate in the Vista beta, but I did grab it as soon as it
> RTM'd. I installed it on my home desktop, which is a modest box (Pentium D
> CPU w/ 2 GB of RAM) I built myself a good year before Vista was released. It
> ran great. Still does. Now, if I could run Vista fine on a machine that I
> built from parts that were never designed to work with Vista, why is it that
> PC manufacturers can't ship brand new machines that work as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:44 AM
>
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
> Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we
> can't blame the new OS?
>
>  Oh yes we can.
>
>  --Matt ross
>  
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
>  people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
>  that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
>  released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
>  that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
>  bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
>  users, and the OS gets the blame.
>
>
>
>
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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Terry Dickson]

I have had some random printer problems with the second round of
machines I installed SP3 on.  On one networked printer somehow it
changed the printer defaults to letterhead, manual feed.  Another user
had problems printing from an application after checking on it the
application was trying to print to file, not to the printer.  However
that could have been a SIP(Self Inflicted Problem).  



-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

I should have noted that I run an all-Intel shop.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tested and deployed via WSUS to ~60 clients.  Everything went fine.
>   YMMV - especially considering the other posts in this thread.
>
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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Jim Majorowicz]

+1

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

 

We use GoToAssist here.  Just a few accounts is all you need as long as you
won't be using them concurrently.  Work nice and I like the reconnect after
reboot feature.

 

Tom

>>> "Jon B. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/12/2008 2:24 PM >>>
Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Matthew W. Ross]

Nothing wrong with that, either.

I remember when XP came out... It was Windows 2000 (Which is, in my opinion, 
Microsoft's greatest OS release) which was being praised then. Most people 
could not find enough things in XP to warrant the upgrade. Also, there were 
some XP drivers as well. Finally, when SP2 came out, people started to move 
over (although I remember all the ranting about the built-in firewall causing 
problems as well).

So, now that we're all used to XP, moving to vista seems "unnecessary". But, it 
will end up happening, I'm sure. It has been what history dictates we do, so we 
probably will.

As for my "Oh yes we can" comment, it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

--Matt Ross

- Original Message -
From: Christopher J. Bosak
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008
20:25:56 -0700
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed


> What's wrong with blaming the people who can't program a decent driver in
> the first place?
> 
>  
> 
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 02:44 hrs.
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> 
>  
> 
> Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we
> can't blame the new OS?
> 
> Oh yes we can.
> 
> --Matt ross
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
> people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
> that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
> released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
> that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
> bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
> users, and the OS gets the blame.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Graeme Carstairs]

We use logmein rescue.

Works smoothly, we have it branded with our company details.

Doesnt cost much, and can reboot to safe mode with networking and connect
back to you using existing credentials, etc


Highly recommended.

Graeme


On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Roger Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This looks like a good candidate:
>
> http://www.simple-help.com/product
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions
>
> Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
> group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
> Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
> to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
> little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
> when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
> companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
> might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
> our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
> crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
> iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
> others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.
>
> Jon Lewis
>
>
>
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and sponsoring one of those poor starving kids on the other side of the
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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Graeme Carstairs]

I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as fast
as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB RAM.

So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.

Graeme


On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008
> 03:53:29 PM:
>
> > Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good
> > enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for
> > Workgroups and DOS—but that's not the point.
>
> >
> > Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
> > requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher
> > requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to
> > have higher requirements than the OS before it.
> >
> > But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I
> > mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D processor—
> > which is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works just
> > fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen
> > in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The
> > author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with
> > Vista without changing the hardware at all.
>
> Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM
> to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for photoediting
> (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is converting PAL to
> NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7).
>
> Feel free to reply offlist 
>
> >
> >
> >
> > John Hornbuckle
> > MIS Department
> > Taylor County School District
> > 318 North Clark Street
> > Perry, FL 32347
> >
> > www.taylor.k12.fl.us
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> >
> > Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:
> >
> > > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor
> > > should take some blame.
> >
> > I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp,
> > but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or
> > can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware.
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
>
>


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and sponsoring one of those poor starving kids on the other side of the
world to make up for the fact that you're a complete shit at home.

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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

I should have noted that I run an all-Intel shop.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tested and deployed via WSUS to ~60 clients.  Everything went fine.
>   YMMV - especially considering the other posts in this thread.
>
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>
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>
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RE: take me off this list!

[Andy Shook]

Loathsome Notesthat's a keeper!

 

Shook



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: take me off this list!

 

 


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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Roger Wright]

This looks like a good candidate:

http://www.simple-help.com/product



-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: take me off this list!

[Michael . Leone]

"Edward B. DREGER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 
05/12/2008 11:46:06 AM:

> SK> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:26:22 -0400
> SK> From: Steve Kelsay
> 
> SK> Remind me, why did we stop putting the unsub info at the bottom like
> SK> we used to?
> 
> Dunno.  I guess I'm so used to looking for "List-*" headers (as I assume
> most admins would) that I never really notice [the lack of] inline
> instructions.

It's more work to exact the headers, especially for many GUI clients like 
the Loathsome Notes I have to use. For me, unsub instructions at the 
bottom would be easier ...

> Of course, I'm one of those crazy people who avoids top-posting, trims
> message quoting, and also expects MUAs to support threading... and still
> uses PINE after far, far longer than I care to admit. ;-)

Outside of the PINE, I do all the same things ...



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Philadelphia Housing Authority
2500 Jackson St
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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Benjamin Zachary - Lists]

I typically like to deploy something on site and lock it down. so VNC or
Radmin is where I go for my remote help desk stuff. I will sometimes use
goto assist for an on the fly support if someone is travelling etc. 

-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Michael . Leone]

"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008 
03:53:29 PM:

> Well, it?s moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good 
> enough to run XP. It?s also good enough to run Windows for 
> Workgroups and DOS?but that?s not the point.
> 
> Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
> requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher 
> requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to 
> have higher requirements than the OS before it.
> 
> But honestly, Vista?s hardware requirements aren?t crazy high. As I 
> mentioned before, I?m running it at home on a Pentium D processor?
> which is a very modest CPU by today?s standards. Vista works just 
> fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen 
> in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The 
> author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with 
> Vista without changing the hardware at all.

Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM 
to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for 
photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is 
converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7).

Feel free to reply offlist 

> 
> 
> 
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> 318 North Clark Street
> Perry, FL 32347
> 
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
> 
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> 
> 
> Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:
> 
> > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor 
> > should take some blame. 
> 
> I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp,
> but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or 
> can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware. 
> 

> 
> 

> 
> 

> 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[John Hornbuckle]

Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good
enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for Workgroups
and DOS-but that's not the point.

 

Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher requirements
than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to have higher
requirements than the OS before it.

 

But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I
mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D processor-which
is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works just fine with
it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen in the ZDNet
piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The author of the
article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with Vista without
changing the hardware at all.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 


Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:

> If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor 
> should take some blame. 

I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp, but
is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or can't ...
) offer XP on that hardware. 





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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Tim Vander Kooi]

You could, but not as effectively or securely as you can with Vista. The Vista 
implementation ensures that only the install program runs under the admin 
rights and as soon as the install completes the admin privileges are not 
available to be used for other purposes.
Tim

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed


"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 01:28:13 PM:

> I like the extra security Vista provides. I also like that when my techs
> work on users' machines, they can do things that require admin rights
> without logging in with an admin account. It speeds up certain tasks
> considerably.
>

That could be helpful. Can you not do a lot of the same things by doing a 
"runas cmd", then doing the install or whatever from the resulting command 
environment)?


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Network Administrator, ISM
Philadelphia Housing Authority
2500 Jackson St
Philadelphia, PA 19145
Tel:  215-684-4180
Cell: 215-252-0143


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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Michael . Leone]

"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 
01:28:13 PM:

> I like the extra security Vista provides. I also like that when my techs
> work on users' machines, they can do things that require admin rights
> without logging in with an admin account. It speeds up certain tasks
> considerably.
> 

That could be helpful. Can you not do a lot of the same things by doing a 
"runas cmd", then doing the install or whatever from the resulting command 
environment)?


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Network Administrator, ISM
Philadelphia Housing Authority
2500 Jackson St
Philadelphia, PA 19145
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Cell: 215-252-0143


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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Michael . Leone]

Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:

> If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor 
> should take some blame.

I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp, but 
is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or can't ... ) 
offer XP on that hardware.

> If an ISV writes a buggy driver, then I?m pretty sure that?s the ISV?s 
fault.

No argument there.

> 
> Cheers
> Ken
> 
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 5:44 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> 
> Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more 
> horsepower... we can't blame the new OS?
> 
> Oh yes we can.
> 
> --Matt ross
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
> people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
> that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
> released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
> that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
> bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
> users, and the OS gets the blame.
> 
> 
> 
> 

> 
> 

> 

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Windows XP SP3 update causing endless reboots in AMD machines

[Rod Trent]

http://www.betanews.com/article/Windows_XP_SP3_update_causing_endless_reboot
s_in_AMD_machines/1210611833 


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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Amer Karim]

>From 

http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-base
d-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx

 

"The problem is that HP, and possibly other OEMs, deploy the same image to
Intel-based desktops that they do to AMD-based desktops. It also appears
that this is unique to their desktop image, and any HP AMD-based laptops are
unaffected by the problem. Because the image for both Intel and AMD is the
same all have the intelppm.sys driver installed and running. That driver
provides power management on Intel-based computers. On an AMD-based
computer, amdk8.sys provides the same functionality. Microsoft points out in
a   Knowledge Base article that
installing both drivers on the same computer is an unsupported
configuration, putting the blame on the OEM that deploys the image. The
article in question   was written
when the same problem occurred after installing Service Pack 2 for Windows
XP. 

Ordinarily, having intelppm.sys running on an AMD-based computer appears to
cause no problems. However, on the first reboot after a service pack
installation, it causes a big problem. The computer either fails to boot, as
in my case, or crashes with a STOP error code of 0x007e. If you see that
error code you almost certainly have this problem. The computer will boot
into safe mode because the drivers are disabled there. Please note here that
simply having the intelppm.sys file on your computer is not the problem so
searching for it in the Windows directory is not relevant. It must be
running to cause a problem."

 

 

Regards,

Amer Karim

 

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: May 12, 2008 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

Keep us posted.  Thanks David.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM, David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

No,

 

The next group contains some AMD's

 

We will see

 

David

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:30 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

And AMD machines of those dozen?  I hear that is where the problem
liesdriver issue.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:23 PM, David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Clean on the first dozen machines 

 

David

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed there
now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to know how
that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the update.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

  _  

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

Had a couple family members call last night about SP3 killing their
machines.

They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine it
wouldn't come up.

After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there is an
issue with the WindowsUpdate

version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any other
machine until it is resolved.

They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the correct
SafeMode fix for it.

 

Didn't know what anybody else knew.

 

Good night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: R: R: Why XP is doomed

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

If it is two years, that's fine. I have no urgency to upgrade to Vista.
Basically for a an OS I just want a stable platform for my applications,
drivers, tools, etc. In the workplace I don't need all of the extra bells
and whistle's. Windows XP is just a jumping off point for me to manage the
rest of the network(RDP, VI client, etc) For my clients, if they could
convince me that Vista is easier to deploy, more stable, increases
productivity, more secure, etc,. then it would justify the ROI. Vista does
have some nice new features, however, I don't see anything compeling other
then Microsoft is going to stop selling and supporting XP. Lot's of costs
associated with new OS's deployment's;
hardware, images, training, IT resources etc,.

Original Message:
-
From: Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:30:28 -0400
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: R: R: Why XP is doomed


Personally I doubt that Windows 7 will be released when the pundits
think/say it will be.  If Microsoft is true to form and I see that they will
be so far then you will be waiting about 2+ years beyond the current
scheduled release date.

YMMV and that is very strictly a personal observation.

Jon

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Mike Semon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I am going to stay with XP as long as I can. Vista does not bring
> anything new to the party to justify the upgrade. Five years between
> operating systems
>
> is not too long. Big companies typically refresh workstations after 36
> months and laptops 24 months. So a minimum of 36 months between new
> operating
>
> systems is acceptable. I think everyone expected more after waiting 5 yrs
> for a new operating system. Vista does not justify the additional expense
> and
>
> training required. I like many large companies are waiting on the side
> lines for Windows 7. Hopefully this one will be ready for prime time.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:40 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* FW: R: R: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
> XP isn't doomed, WE ARE I've been in this "racket" for nearly 44
> years, and I've seen a lot. I go back to hand wiring boards to "program"
> something. When the personal computer appeared, it was wonderful. Over the
> years we went from DOS to Windows thru 9X and finally to NT (win2K) and
> finally to XP. I have no intention of EVER going to Vista, when it really
> adds nothing to the way I use a computer. And as Micheal says, we keep
> having to buy newer "faster" hardware to just keep up with our
productivity.
> LONG LIVE XP!!!
>
>
>
> Murray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: screen recorder w/ sound?

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Have you looked at this sight?

www.jingproject.com

Allows you to do scren captures of an area to full screen. Plus it will
allow you do do a video with voice over. Once you have captured what you
want, it creates a URL and then you can paste that into an email or IM.




On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:35 PM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Thanks for that link Mike, I use Camtasia to make little tutorials for
> our staff. This one looks like a free alternative, I'll have to give it a
> try.
>
> James
>
>  - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike Gill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
>  *Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:31 PM
> *Subject:* RE: screen recorder w/ sound?
>
>  Wink:
>
>
>
> http://www.debugmode.com/wink/
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Gill
>
>
>
> *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:51 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* screen recorder w/ sound?
>
>
>
> I am looking for a FREE screen recording program.
>
> I need to be able to record the screen (video) and sound on Windows
> desktop (to be able to record webinar).
>
> I can't seem to find a program that records both video and sound.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Roger Wright]

You could use Web+Center from http://www.inet-sciences.com/ to allow
remote users to log a call.

Remote Control:

How about TeamViewer?  http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx  
It's faster than LogMeIn and not too expensive.

Or perhaps Himachi https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/vpn.asp
to create a VPN connection and then use RDP to hit client machines?

Other alternatives:

http://www.techinline.com/prices/

http://www.instanthousecall.com/



Roger Wright

-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Steve Ens]

Keep us posted.  Thanks David.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM, David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  No,
>
>
>
> The next group contains some AMD's
>
>
>
> We will see
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 11:30 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
> And AMD machines of those dozen?  I hear that is where the problem
> liesdriver issue.
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:23 PM, David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Clean on the first dozen machines
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
> Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed
> there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to
> know how that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the
> update.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Joe Heaton
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
> Had a couple family members call last night about SP3 killing their
> machines.
>
> They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine it
> wouldn't come up.
>
> After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there is
> an issue with the WindowsUpdate
>
> version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any other
> machine until it is resolved.
>
> They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the
> correct SafeMode fix for it.
>
>
>
> Didn't know what anybody else knew.
>
>
>
> Good night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IT works,
> but keeping IT working is the hard part.
>
>
>
> Automation is great,
> until it breaks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Steve Ens]

I use the rescue version...lots of options...

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sam Cayze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The free version of logmein doesn't suffice I take it?  Just making sure
> you checked it out...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions
>
> Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
> group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
> Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
> to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
> little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
> when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
> companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
> might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
> our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
> crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
> iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
> others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.
>
> Jon Lewis
>
>
>
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Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[RAY ZORZ]

TeamViewer seems to work ok. 
 
Ray

>>> "Jon B. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/12/2008 11:24 AM >>>
Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Tom Miller]

We use GoToAssist here.  Just a few accounts is all you need as long as you 
won't be using them concurrently.  Work nice and I like the reconnect after 
reboot feature.
 
Tom

>>> "Jon B. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/12/2008 2:24 PM >>>
Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[David L Herrick]

No,

 

The next group contains some AMD's

 

We will see

 

David

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

And AMD machines of those dozen?  I hear that is where the problem
liesdriver issue.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:23 PM, David L Herrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Clean on the first dozen machines 

 

David

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed
there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to
know how that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the
update.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Heaton

 

 



From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

Had a couple family members call last night about SP3 killing their
machines.

They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine it
wouldn't come up.

After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there is
an issue with the WindowsUpdate

version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any other
machine until it is resolved.

They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the
correct SafeMode fix for it.

 

Didn't know what anybody else knew.

 

Good night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IT works, 
but keeping IT working is the hard part.  

 

Automation is great, 
until it breaks.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Steve Ens]

logmein works for usI buy one license, and we use it almost daily for
remote users.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Jon B. Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
> group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
> Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
> to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
> little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
> when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
> companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
> might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
> our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
> crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
> iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
> others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.
>
> Jon Lewis
>
>
>
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Re: R: R: Why XP is doomed

[Jon Harris]

Personally I doubt that Windows 7 will be released when the pundits
think/say it will be.  If Microsoft is true to form and I see that they will
be so far then you will be waiting about 2+ years beyond the current
scheduled release date.

YMMV and that is very strictly a personal observation.

Jon

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Mike Semon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I am going to stay with XP as long as I can. Vista does not bring
> anything new to the party to justify the upgrade. Five years between
> operating systems
>
> is not too long. Big companies typically refresh workstations after 36
> months and laptops 24 months. So a minimum of 36 months between new
> operating
>
> systems is acceptable. I think everyone expected more after waiting 5 yrs
> for a new operating system. Vista does not justify the additional expense
> and
>
> training required. I like many large companies are waiting on the side
> lines for Windows 7. Hopefully this one will be ready for prime time.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:40 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* FW: R: R: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
> XP isn't doomed, WE ARE I've been in this "racket" for nearly 44
> years, and I've seen a lot. I go back to hand wiring boards to "program"
> something. When the personal computer appeared, it was wonderful. Over the
> years we went from DOS to Windows thru 9X and finally to NT (win2K) and
> finally to XP. I have no intention of EVER going to Vista, when it really
> adds nothing to the way I use a computer. And as Micheal says, we keep
> having to buy newer "faster" hardware to just keep up with our productivity.
> LONG LIVE XP!!!
>
>
>
> Murray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Sam Cayze]

The free version of logmein doesn't suffice I take it?  Just making sure
you checked it out...

-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Steve Ens]

And AMD machines of those dozen?  I hear that is where the problem
liesdriver issue.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:23 PM, David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Clean on the first dozen machines
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
>
>
> Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed
> there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to
> know how that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the
> update.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Joe Heaton
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>
> Had a couple family members call last night about SP3 killing their
> machines.
>
> They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine it
> wouldn't come up.
>
> After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there is
> an issue with the WindowsUpdate
>
> version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any other
> machine until it is resolved.
>
> They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the
> correct SafeMode fix for it.
>
>
>
> Didn't know what anybody else knew.
>
>
>
> Good night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IT works,
> but keeping IT working is the hard part.
>
>
>
> Automation is great,
> until it breaks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for
> the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not
> read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed
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> viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility
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Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Jon B. Lewis]

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.  Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes
little sense to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one
when they're typing their password.  I've looked around at a few of the
companies in this space and wanted to see what suggestions you guys
might have.  I've currently used logmein which is nice but a little over
our price range as we don't have THAT many clients.  I've tried
crossloop but didn't have much luck with that.  I've also used
iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising for me.  What are the
others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I should know.  

Jon Lewis



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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[David L Herrick]

Clean on the first dozen machines 

 

David

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

 

Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed
there now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to
know how that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the
update.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Heaton

 

 



From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

Had a couple family members call last night about SP3 killing their
machines.

They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine it
wouldn't come up.

After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there is
an issue with the WindowsUpdate

version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any other
machine until it is resolved.

They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the
correct SafeMode fix for it.

 

Didn't know what anybody else knew.

 

Good night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IT works, 
but keeping IT working is the hard part.  

 

Automation is great, 
until it breaks.

 

 

 

 



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RE: Citrix question

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

You are not the only one. Still see plenty of Metaframe 1.8/XP out in the
field. Look at the positive way. You got your money's worth:)

Original Message:
-
From: Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:15:31 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: Citrix question


Thanks Tom and Mike.  I just finished a 4.5 class a few weeks ago, and
didn't remember if the issues were resolved with 4.0.  Really appreciate
the info.  I did know about moving away from PN, but currently we're
using, get this, MetaFrame 1.8.  Yep, I'm not kidding...  Just did a PC
upgrade last week at one of our remote offices, and now they are having
major printing issues, with the existing Citrix server not releasing the
temporary Client printer session.

So, my top priority has been shifted to getting the 4.0 version that the
agency bought back in '06 up and running. 


Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Citrix question

The printing engine was completely redesigned for Presentation Server
4.0.
So Presentation Server 4 and 4.5 use the same printing engine and can
take advantage of the same printing polices and Universal Printer driver
technology. The UPD works for about 80-90 percent of printing issues.
You can use PnAgent, Web Client or Full PN client for both PS 4 and PS
4.5.
Citrix is discouraging using the full PN client and moving people to
PNAgent or Web Client.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:49:42 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Citrix question


Don't know if anyone here can answer this for me but here goes:
 
Does anyone know what version of Presentation Server finally "fixed" the
printing issues?  I know 4.5 is ok, but is 4.0?  Meaning that in 4.5 you
are not supposed to install any print drivers on the Citrix server.
Printing is done completely from the client machine.  Is that also true
in 4.0?  
 
Also, what client access options are there for 4.0?  Is PN Agent
available, or is it still plain old PN?
 
Thanks for any help, off to try my Google-Fu, while I wait for an answer
here.
 
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA  95814
(916) 327-5276
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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Looking for XP SP3 RDP (v6) Reference

[Paul Vanderford]

I'm looking for a reference document for the new RDP (v6) that is included with 
XP SP3.

I have several custom crafted RDP files created with RDP v5 that include 
username, domain, password instructions to ease the user's login process. 
Microsoft published a reference for the instruction set for v5, but I have not 
been about to find a reference for RDP v6 that is included with XP SP3.

This is for MSTSC.EXE version 6.0.6001.18000, longhorn_rtm.080118-1840; not the 
6.1 Beta version.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Paul
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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Sam Cayze]

Not trying to argue, but I have been ordering 7200 rpm drives factory installed 
in my Dell laptops for probably over 2 years now.  

 

From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: R: Why XP is doomed

 

15k for SAS were until a couple of monthes ago only for SAS 3.5'' .Now they are 
out also for SAS 2.5'.

Manufacturers started now to ship some models of laptops with 2.5'' 7200 rpm

 

 

GuidoElia

HELPPC

 

 



Da: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Inviato: lunedì 12 maggio 2008 17.21
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed

Ok, maybe the 80's was a stretch, I was kidding.

 

But 72000 RPM 2.5" disks have been out for a few years I would imagine.  At 
least three years I would imagine, since I have been working with laptops.  
Usually you have to buy them separately, as the manufacturer does not ship them.

 

Even 10,000 RPM 2.5" drives are out now.  SAS and SATA.

 

I just got a 15K RPM in my workstation now.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 


 

You are wrong . On laptops 7200rpm disks are new! Some brands started now to 
distribute them on laptops and for workstations 1 rpm SATA

 

GuidoElia

HELPPC

 

 



Da: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Inviato: lunedì 12 maggio 2008 16.48
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed

I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks.  That's so 1980's.   I throw 7200 
in all our laptops, heat has never been a problem.  Now, on an ultra-portable 
or tablet, I could see how it could be...  But then again, there are many 7200 
RPM drives that claim they are just as cool as 5400 rpm drives...

 

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Doesn't putting in a 7200 spin disk increase the heat factor?  I always thought 
that was the reason some laptops come with 5400 spin drives to keep the heat 
down.

 

Bill Lambert

Concuity

847-941-9206

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

My wife has a top of the line Sony SZ48 series Vaio. Fantastic machine - carbon 
fibre case, weighs next to nothing, two GPUs. Performance out of the box is 
abysmal. I replaced the drive with a 7200 RPM disk, upped the RAM, and tried to 
remove as much Sony crapware as possible (it even comes with its own copy of 
SQL Server to manage your media - because WMP obviously can't do that). Runs a 
lot better now, but I suspect it'll run a lot better with a clean install.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Check out this story:

 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=429

 

It's a perfect example of a manufacturer shipping a Vista machine with 
unacceptable performance. This resulted in a black eye for the manufacturer 
(Sony in this case, but they're not the only ones to do this) and a lost 
customer for the manufacturer and Microsoft alike.

 

I didn't participate in the Vista beta, but I did grab it as soon as it RTM'd. 
I installed it on my home desktop, which is a modest box (Pentium D CPU w/ 2 GB 
of RAM) I built myself a good year before Vista was released. It ran great. 
Still does. Now, if I could run Vista fine on a machine that I built from parts 
that were never designed to work with Vista, why is it that PC manufacturers 
can't ship brand new machines that work as well?

 

 

John

 

 

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we can't 
blame the new OS?

Oh yes we can.

--Matt ross



From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
users, and the OS gets the blame.

 

 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ziots, Edward]

Yep, 

Dell just made an announcement a few weeks ago they are sticking with
selling XP still. My new Dell came with Xp but I have a Vista licenses
if I should ever try and upgrade. ( Puke put it in Vmworkstation) and be
done with it. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

I have to disagree with the paragraph about the pressure from OEMs to
dump
XP.  Seems to me, several HP and Dell included, are doing exactly the
opposite.  Both are offering to exercise the OEM downgrade rights for
you
and ship PCs to you with XP pre-installed, but with a Vista license
attached
and including media for both OSes.

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Why XP is doomed

Interesting analysis from Cringely.  As always, "follow the money" ...

--- Included Stuff Follows ---
I, Cringely . The Pulpit . Wimpy | PBS

...

Several readers are concerned about Microsoft's decision to stop
selling

Windows XP and -- most importantly -- end security updates for the 
venerable operating system. This has everything to do with business
and 
nothing at all to do with technology. Wearing my business reporter's

fedora, then, I'll point you back a week or so to Microsoft's most
recent 
earnings announcement, which disappointed Wall Street. This is
significant 
because it is hard to find a Wall Street analyst who remembers the
last 
time Microsoft's earnings were disappointing. It simply doesn't
happen. 
That's because Microsoft has a myriad of tools for adjusting the
numbers

to look just right.

Because Microsoft has so many tools for fine-tuning its financials 
(primarily the management of expenses, by the way -- Microsoft makes
so 
much money that it tunes the numbers by throwing cash away), the
fact
that 
this last set of numbers disappointed suggests to me that they, too,
could 
have been avoided. Microsoft probably decided to deliberately take
an 
earnings hit precisely so they could play the "we have to get the
earnings 
up" card to justify the final death of XP.

Microsoft has been under huge pressure from its hardware OEMs to
dump
XP, 
thus forcing millions of customers who have been avoiding Vista and 
Vista's inevitable hardware upgrade to finally buy new computers.
Dumping 
XP will help Dell and HP AND Microsoft, big-time. It won't do
anything
for 
you or me, though, since Vista still sucks, but we obviously don't
matter.

Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will
probably 
be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security upgrades,
hackers 
will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight. And if one or
more
of 
the security companies like Symantec or McAfee think they can make a

business out of defending XP, I simply doubt that customers will
pay.

- Included Stuff Ends -
Other topics also discussed in his column here:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080509_004880.html


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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I agree. We love the new administrator prompts here and they do save a lot of 
time. We also use Folder Redirection and Offline Folders which is much better 
than XP. Offline Folders has never been reliable for us on XP the files are 
constantly getting out of sync and corrupted. A real pain in the backside. 
Vista is far better in this area.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

No need to "run as" with Vista. When doing admin things, you're
automatically prompted for an admin password. Or in Printers, for
instance, you can right-click a printer and select "run as administrator
-> properties." Can't do that in XP. These are little things, but they
really do save time.

As for the extra security, I like that even when I'm logged in as an
admin, I'm not running things (IE, command prompt, etc.) as an admin
when it's not necessary.

I also like that I can move my mouse over a minimized item on the task
bar and see a quick thumbnail of the window. That has turned out to be
handy.

Also, folder redirection seems to work better on our Vista machines than
XP. Less intrusive and more responsive.



-Original Message-
From: Rankin, James R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Surely you could do this in XP with RunAs? Or has Vista implemented some
new-fangled, singing 'n dancing version of it?

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 May 2008 18:28
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

I like the extra security Vista provides. I also like that when my techs
work on users' machines, they can do things that require admin rights
without logging in with an admin account. It speeds up certain tasks
considerably.




-Original Message-
From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed

The OS is just hosting the applications that I use to get my job done.
XP is good enough for this task.  No reason whatsoever to upgrade.

Michael B. Smith wrote:
> Hah. I blogged on this just yesterday:
>
>
http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2008/05/09/just-fl
uff-
> on-vista.aspx
>
> And  no, I didn't read Cringely... I think it was something Paul
Thurrott
> wrote that was the "straw/camel's back" for me. I dunno, I read too
many
> things every day.
>
> Granted, I'm not the average user. Not even the average power user.
I've got
> physical machines that run XP, that run Vista, that run Server 2008,
that
> run Server 2003 - and believe it or not, one that runs Linux. And
probably
> twice as many virtuals as I've got physicals.
>
> The market can't have it every way. Since XP was released, Microsoft
has
> been absolutely PUMMELLED by spam, by viruses, by worms, by lack of
hardware
> capabilities, by lack of software capabilities, etc. etc. etc.
Microsoft
> responded to what the market demanded, and Vista is the answer.
>
> Graphically, Vista is gorgeous - if you have the graphics horsepower
to make
> it happen. Vista provides software support for technologies that
weren't
> even conceived of when XP was released. The hardware support that
Vista
> provides makes it MUCH easier for the OS to NOT crash when there are
driver
> bugs. Or bugs in any add-on product. And on and on and on.
>
> All of those things come at a cost - in memory and in processor.
>
> If you want a minimal version of Vista - go install Server 2008. See
how
> lean and mean it is. And how little it can do in the base
configuration.
> Then, start adding the features and roles you require in order to get
to a
> workable desktop machine, and see how those changes impact
performance. In
> some ways, a desktop machine has to be more powerful than a server. It
> certainly has to have more "fluff".
>
> I'm not a Microsoft "rah rah" man. However, I'm well aware of where I
make
> my money - and that's based on Microsoft products. I criticize the
Microsoft
> machine on a daily basis - and I do it in public forums, such as this
one,
> on my blog; and I do it in private forums, for betas (and even alphas)
of
> certain software that I take a particular interest in.
>
> Vista _IS_ sucky in some ways. And I've bugged those that affect me.
For
> example, even after SP1, wireless doesn't "just work" like it did in
XP.
> Many users have to reboot when switching wireless connections. For me,
I'm
> tech savvy enough to open a command prompt and do an "ipconfig
/renew". It's
> irritating.
>
> But does that mean that Vista is going away? Don't be silly. Even if
you
> hate Vista, it introduces many technologies that are part of the
future of
> computing. You need to learn it. It's the stepping stone to what comes
next.
>
> Microsoft isn't abandoning Vista. They've made that clear too. Many
peo

RE: Why XP is doomed

[Jim Majorowicz]

I have to disagree with the paragraph about the pressure from OEMs to dump
XP.  Seems to me, several HP and Dell included, are doing exactly the
opposite.  Both are offering to exercise the OEM downgrade rights for you
and ship PCs to you with XP pre-installed, but with a Vista license attached
and including media for both OSes.

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Why XP is doomed

Interesting analysis from Cringely.  As always, "follow the money" ...

--- Included Stuff Follows ---
I, Cringely . The Pulpit . Wimpy | PBS

...

Several readers are concerned about Microsoft's decision to stop selling

Windows XP and -- most importantly -- end security updates for the 
venerable operating system. This has everything to do with business and 
nothing at all to do with technology. Wearing my business reporter's 
fedora, then, I'll point you back a week or so to Microsoft's most
recent 
earnings announcement, which disappointed Wall Street. This is
significant 
because it is hard to find a Wall Street analyst who remembers the last 
time Microsoft's earnings were disappointing. It simply doesn't happen. 
That's because Microsoft has a myriad of tools for adjusting the numbers

to look just right.

Because Microsoft has so many tools for fine-tuning its financials 
(primarily the management of expenses, by the way -- Microsoft makes so 
much money that it tunes the numbers by throwing cash away), the fact
that 
this last set of numbers disappointed suggests to me that they, too,
could 
have been avoided. Microsoft probably decided to deliberately take an 
earnings hit precisely so they could play the "we have to get the
earnings 
up" card to justify the final death of XP.

Microsoft has been under huge pressure from its hardware OEMs to dump
XP, 
thus forcing millions of customers who have been avoiding Vista and 
Vista's inevitable hardware upgrade to finally buy new computers.
Dumping 
XP will help Dell and HP AND Microsoft, big-time. It won't do anything
for 
you or me, though, since Vista still sucks, but we obviously don't
matter.

Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will
probably 
be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security upgrades,
hackers 
will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight. And if one or more
of 
the security companies like Symantec or McAfee think they can make a 
business out of defending XP, I simply doubt that customers will pay.

- Included Stuff Ends -
Other topics also discussed in his column here:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080509_004880.html


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RE: Citrix question

[Joe Heaton]

Thanks Tom and Mike.  I just finished a 4.5 class a few weeks ago, and
didn't remember if the issues were resolved with 4.0.  Really appreciate
the info.  I did know about moving away from PN, but currently we're
using, get this, MetaFrame 1.8.  Yep, I'm not kidding...  Just did a PC
upgrade last week at one of our remote offices, and now they are having
major printing issues, with the existing Citrix server not releasing the
temporary Client printer session.

So, my top priority has been shifted to getting the 4.0 version that the
agency bought back in '06 up and running. 


Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Citrix question

The printing engine was completely redesigned for Presentation Server
4.0.
So Presentation Server 4 and 4.5 use the same printing engine and can
take advantage of the same printing polices and Universal Printer driver
technology. The UPD works for about 80-90 percent of printing issues.
You can use PnAgent, Web Client or Full PN client for both PS 4 and PS
4.5.
Citrix is discouraging using the full PN client and moving people to
PNAgent or Web Client.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:49:42 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Citrix question


Don't know if anyone here can answer this for me but here goes:
 
Does anyone know what version of Presentation Server finally "fixed" the
printing issues?  I know 4.5 is ok, but is 4.0?  Meaning that in 4.5 you
are not supposed to install any print drivers on the Citrix server.
Printing is done completely from the client machine.  Is that also true
in 4.0?  
 
Also, what client access options are there for 4.0?  Is PN Agent
available, or is it still plain old PN?
 
Thanks for any help, off to try my Google-Fu, while I wait for an answer
here.
 
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA  95814
(916) 327-5276
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Question for you Citrix admin

[Tom Miller]

Hi Folks:
 
I run a Citrix Presentation Server 4.5 farm here (web interface 4.6).  I also 
use the Citrix Access Gateway.  I"m just now starting to use the Program Agent. 
 Can someone tell me if I can somehow allow PNAgent access to the farm servers 
for laptops not connected to a LAN?  I have a growing number of laptop users, 
and it would be nice to configure the PNAgent so it can connect via the 
internet instead of using the Web Interface.  I'm assuming I'd need a 
certificate of sorts to do this securely.  I thought that the PNAgent could 
access the farm servers via the Access Gateway, but I can't find anything on it 
(so far). 
 
Suggestions appreciated.
 
 
 
 
 
Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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Re: take me off this list!

[Sherry Abercrombie]

So true Tom.  I also tend to think that someone that managed to get
themselves subscribed to this list, would have a clue that the place that
they subscribed would hmmm, might also be the place to unsubscribe you
think.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Tom Strader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Because you would "THINK" the list member, being a System Admin or
> similar job description would be smart enough and considerate enough to
> know to do this anyway, but then again...I get dangerous when I think!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:26 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: take me off this list!
>
> Remind me, why did we stop putting the unsub info at the bottom like we
> used to?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:40 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: take me off this list!
>
> JP> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:33:43 -0500
> JP> From: John Pedersen
>
> JP> Thanks but it's just easier to delete the email address and let the
> JP> list admin deal with the bounces.
>
> It's also not a very nice way of doing things.  Perhaps that's just the
> bias of someone who has adminned (how would one past-tense "admin" as a
> verb?) a list of 10k+ subscribers...
>
> Thank goodness for ETRN and automated 5xx processing.
>
>
> Eddy
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RE: Citrix question

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

The printing engine was completely redesigned for Presentation Server 4.0.
So Presentation Server 4 and 4.5 use the same printing engine and can take
advantage of the same printing polices and Universal Printer driver
technology. The UPD works for about 80-90 percent of printing issues. You
can use PnAgent, Web Client or Full PN client for both PS 4 and PS 4.5.
Citrix is discouraging using the full PN client and moving people to
PNAgent or Web Client.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:49:42 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Citrix question


Don't know if anyone here can answer this for me but here goes:
 
Does anyone know what version of Presentation Server finally "fixed" the
printing issues?  I know 4.5 is ok, but is 4.0?  Meaning that in 4.5 you
are not supposed to install any print drivers on the Citrix server.
Printing is done completely from the client machine.  Is that also true
in 4.0?  
 
Also, what client access options are there for 4.0?  Is PN Agent
available, or is it still plain old PN?
 
Thanks for any help, off to try my Google-Fu, while I wait for an answer
here.
 
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA  95814
(916) 327-5276
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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RE: take me off this list!

[Edward B. DREGER]

CJB> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:47:58 -0500
CJB> From: Christopher J. Bosak

CJB> But top posting makes it so much easier to see the replies. :P

And harder to see the context. :-(


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R: Why XP is doomed

[HELP_PC]

15k for SAS were until a couple of monthes ago only for SAS 3.5'' .Now they are 
out also for SAS 2.5'.
Manufacturers started now to ship some models of laptops with 2.5'' 7200 rpm
 
 
GuidoElia
HELPPC
 

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Da: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Inviato: lunedì 12 maggio 2008 17.21
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed



Ok, maybe the 80's was a stretch, I was kidding.

 

But 72000 RPM 2.5" disks have been out for a few years I would imagine.  At 
least three years I would imagine, since I have been working with laptops.  
Usually you have to buy them separately, as the manufacturer does not ship them.

 

Even 10,000 RPM 2.5" drives are out now.  SAS and SATA.

 

I just got a 15K RPM in my workstation now.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 


 

You are wrong . On laptops 7200rpm disks are new! Some brands started now to 
distribute them on laptops and for workstations 1 rpm SATA

 

GuidoElia

HELPPC

 

 

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Da: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Inviato: lunedì 12 maggio 2008 16.48
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed

I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks.  That's so 1980's.   I throw 7200 
in all our laptops, heat has never been a problem.  Now, on an ultra-portable 
or tablet, I could see how it could be...  But then again, there are many 7200 
RPM drives that claim they are just as cool as 5400 rpm drives...

 

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Doesn't putting in a 7200 spin disk increase the heat factor?  I always thought 
that was the reason some laptops come with 5400 spin drives to keep the heat 
down.

 

Bill Lambert

Concuity

847-941-9206

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

My wife has a top of the line Sony SZ48 series Vaio. Fantastic machine - carbon 
fibre case, weighs next to nothing, two GPUs. Performance out of the box is 
abysmal. I replaced the drive with a 7200 RPM disk, upped the RAM, and tried to 
remove as much Sony crapware as possible (it even comes with its own copy of 
SQL Server to manage your media - because WMP obviously can't do that). Runs a 
lot better now, but I suspect it'll run a lot better with a clean install.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Check out this story:

 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=429

 

It's a perfect example of a manufacturer shipping a Vista machine with 
unacceptable performance. This resulted in a black eye for the manufacturer 
(Sony in this case, but they're not the only ones to do this) and a lost 
customer for the manufacturer and Microsoft alike.

 

I didn't participate in the Vista beta, but I did grab it as soon as it RTM'd. 
I installed it on my home desktop, which is a modest box (Pentium D CPU w/ 2 GB 
of RAM) I built myself a good year before Vista was released. It ran great. 
Still does. Now, if I could run Vista fine on a machine that I built from parts 
that were never designed to work with Vista, why is it that PC manufacturers 
can't ship brand new machines that work as well?

 

 

John

 

 

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we can't 
blame the new OS?

Oh yes we can.

--Matt ross

  _  

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
users, and the OS gets the blame.

 

 

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Re: OT: Unlocked Mobile Phones on eBay

[Sean Houston]

Hey Joe,

I understand exactly how you feel, I did the same thing from my Treo 700p to
a small Samsung phone.  As far as unlocked phones go, I assume by unlocked I
assume you mean that it will work with multiple carriers.  The downsides are
that phone upgrades (firmware and software) will most likely not be
available to you.  Additionally the phone is not supported by your provider
which means if any part of it stops working, such as a mic failure, you may
have to buy a new phone.  Other then that there's really very little
difference between these phones and regular phones.

If you do get a phone that is made for your perticular carrier on Ebay it's
usually a safe bet it will work.  I would recommend getting the ESN or IMEI
from the seller before paying for the item.  You can contact a local store
or customer service and verify that the phone is not reported as lost or
stolen prior to paying for it.

Hope that helps!

Sean Houston

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Joe Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was looking for a little bit of insight.  I have decided to downgrade my
> phone from a HTC8525 (Windows Mobile 5) to just a regular mobile (Motorola
> RAZR3).  I was wondering other than being unlocked and sometimes have some
> goodies thrown in (charger, earpiece, etc.) are there any other differences
> from the models sold by the mobile vendors/authorized reps?
>
> The RAZR that I'm looking at is 1/2 the price that you would pay in the
> retail store, and new out of the box.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Joe Fox
> Systems/Network Administrator
>
> Mobile# (716) 846-9308
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr
>
> The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached
> files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the
> recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be advised
> that any unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking
> of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately
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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

I tested and deployed via WSUS to ~60 clients.  Everything went fine.
 YMMV - especially considering the other posts in this thread.

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Re: take me off this list!

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Its even nicer when your MUA displays that info.

+1 for Thunderbird.


On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Edward B. DREGER
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SK> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:26:22 -0400
> SK> From: Steve Kelsay
>
> SK> Remind me, why did we stop putting the unsub info at the bottom like
> SK> we used to?
>
> Dunno.  I guess I'm so used to looking for "List-*" headers (as I assume
> most admins would) that I never really notice [the lack of] inline
> instructions.
>
> Of course, I'm one of those crazy people who avoids top-posting, trims
> message quoting, and also expects MUAs to support threading... and still
> uses PINE after far, far longer than I care to admit. ;-)
>
>
>
> Eddy
> --
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> A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/
> Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building
> Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national
> Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita
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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Anatoly Podgoretsky]

There are some problem with MUI and Localisation for Unicode programms 
expecially with Cyrilic
I have these problems with each fifths machine
For MUI need manually uninstall KB925877
For Localisation temporary switch to native language and back

Best regards,
Anatoly Podgoretsky


  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Heaton 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:18 PM
  Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates


  Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming through WSUS?  I have it listed there 
now, but the approval is Detect Only at the moment.  Would like to know how 
that avenue went/is going for some others before I approve the update.

  Thanks,

  Joe Heaton




--
  From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates


  Had a couple family members call last night about SP3 killing their machines.
  They use Windows Updates nightly and when they rebooted their machine it 
wouldn't come up.
  After many SafeMode boots I called TechSupport and they told me there is an 
issue with the WindowsUpdate
  version of SP3 and to have it blocked from being downloaded on any other 
machine until it is resolved.
  They seemed to know all about it because they stepped me through the correct 
SafeMode fix for it.

  Didn't know what anybody else knew.

  Good night.









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  but keeping IT working is the hard part.  

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RE: Citrix question

[Tom Strader]

4.0 is very stable with printing.

 

 

  _  

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Citrix question

 

Don't know if anyone here can answer this for me but here goes:

 

Does anyone know what version of Presentation Server finally "fixed" the
printing issues?  I know 4.5 is ok, but is 4.0?  Meaning that in 4.5 you
are not supposed to install any print drivers on the Citrix server.
Printing is done completely from the client machine.  Is that also true
in 4.0?  

 

Also, what client access options are there for 4.0?  Is PN Agent
available, or is it still plain old PN?

 

Thanks for any help, off to try my Google-Fu, while I wait for an answer
here.

 

Joe Heaton

AISA

Employment Training Panel

1100 J Street, 4th Floor

Sacramento, CA  95814

(916) 327-5276

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 
 





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RE: take me off this list!

[Tom Strader]

Because you would "THINK" the list member, being a System Admin or
similar job description would be smart enough and considerate enough to
know to do this anyway, but then again...I get dangerous when I think!


-Original Message-
From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: take me off this list!

Remind me, why did we stop putting the unsub info at the bottom like we
used to?

-Original Message-
From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: take me off this list!

JP> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:33:43 -0500
JP> From: John Pedersen

JP> Thanks but it's just easier to delete the email address and let the
JP> list admin deal with the bounces.

It's also not a very nice way of doing things.  Perhaps that's just the
bias of someone who has adminned (how would one past-tense "admin" as a
verb?) a list of 10k+ subscribers...

Thank goodness for ETRN and automated 5xx processing.


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RE: Unlocked Mobile Phones on eBay

[Christopher J. Bosak]

You won't get the firmware for the carrier, so they may not support it, or
run insurance for it. But from what I've heard, that's not such a bad thing.

And I used to mod phones a few years back, mostly Nextel's though. Did some
Moto's that were on other carriers, including the Razr. If you want to see
how extensive some of these company's go to change the firmware, look at an
unlocked phone compared to the company your with and see the changes there.

That's my $0.02, your mileage may vary. 

That said, I'll buy your HTC8525 off ya.

 

Christopher J. Bosak

Vector Company

c. 847.603.4673

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

"You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue."

- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me

 

From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:54 hrs
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Unlocked Mobile Phones on eBay

 

I was looking for a little bit of insight.  I have decided to downgrade my
phone from a HTC8525 (Windows Mobile 5) to just a regular mobile (Motorola
RAZR3).  I was wondering other than being unlocked and sometimes have some
goodies thrown in (charger, earpiece, etc.) are there any other differences
from the models sold by the mobile vendors/authorized reps?

 

The RAZR that I'm looking at is 1/2 the price that you would pay in the
retail store, and new out of the box.

 

Thanks.

Joe Fox
Systems/Network Administrator

Mobile# (716) 846-9308
http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr

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Re: OT: Unlocked Mobile Phones on eBay

[Sherry Abercrombie]

I would check the eBay sellers rating, how long have they been selling on
eBay, that kind of thing.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Joe Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was looking for a little bit of insight.  I have decided to downgrade my
> phone from a HTC8525 (Windows Mobile 5) to just a regular mobile (Motorola
> RAZR3).  I was wondering other than being unlocked and sometimes have some
> goodies thrown in (charger, earpiece, etc.) are there any other differences
> from the models sold by the mobile vendors/authorized reps?
>
> The RAZR that I'm looking at is 1/2 the price that you would pay in the
> retail store, and new out of the box.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Joe Fox
> Systems/Network Administrator
>
> Mobile# (716) 846-9308
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr
>
> The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached
> files, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the
> recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be advised
> that any unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking
> of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately
> notify the sender via telephone at 716-846-9308 or by return e-mail.
>
>


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OT: Unlocked Mobile Phones on eBay

[Joe Fox]

I was looking for a little bit of insight.  I have decided to downgrade my
phone from a HTC8525 (Windows Mobile 5) to just a regular mobile (Motorola
RAZR3).  I was wondering other than being unlocked and sometimes have some
goodies thrown in (charger, earpiece, etc.) are there any other differences
from the models sold by the mobile vendors/authorized reps?

The RAZR that I'm looking at is 1/2 the price that you would pay in the
retail store, and new out of the box.

Thanks.

Joe Fox
Systems/Network Administrator

Mobile# (716) 846-9308
http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr

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Citrix question

[Joe Heaton]

Don't know if anyone here can answer this for me but here goes:
 
Does anyone know what version of Presentation Server finally "fixed" the
printing issues?  I know 4.5 is ok, but is 4.0?  Meaning that in 4.5 you
are not supposed to install any print drivers on the Citrix server.
Printing is done completely from the client machine.  Is that also true
in 4.0?  
 
Also, what client access options are there for 4.0?  Is PN Agent
available, or is it still plain old PN?
 
Thanks for any help, off to try my Google-Fu, while I wait for an answer
here.
 
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA  95814
(916) 327-5276
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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Re: Is list alive?

[James Kerr]

The sunbelt lyris server has been pretty unstable recently, more so then usual.

James
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher J. Bosak 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:53 AM
  Subject: Is list alive?


  Ping!

   

  Christopher J. Bosak

  Vector Company

  c. 847.603.4673

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   

  "You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue."

  - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me

   









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RE: take me off this list!

[Christopher J. Bosak]

But top posting makes it so much easier to see the replies. :P

Christopher J. Bosak
Vector Company
c. 847.603.4673
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue."
- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me

-Original Message-
From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:46 hrs
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: take me off this list!

SK> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:26:22 -0400
SK> From: Steve Kelsay

SK> Remind me, why did we stop putting the unsub info at the bottom like
SK> we used to?

Dunno.  I guess I'm so used to looking for "List-*" headers (as I assume
most admins would) that I never really notice [the lack of] inline
instructions.

Of course, I'm one of those crazy people who avoids top-posting, trims
message quoting, and also expects MUAs to support threading... and still
uses PINE after far, far longer than I care to admit. ;-)


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Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national
Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita

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RE: take me off this list!

[Edward B. DREGER]

SK> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:26:22 -0400
SK> From: Steve Kelsay

SK> Remind me, why did we stop putting the unsub info at the bottom like
SK> we used to?

Dunno.  I guess I'm so used to looking for "List-*" headers (as I assume
most admins would) that I never really notice [the lack of] inline
instructions.

Of course, I'm one of those crazy people who avoids top-posting, trims
message quoting, and also expects MUAs to support threading... and still
uses PINE after far, far longer than I care to admit. ;-)


Eddy
--
Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/
A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/
Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building
Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national
Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Bill Lambert]

Ahhh...ok, thanks.  I should start living in the 21st century, huh...

 

Bill Lambert

Concuity

847-941-9206

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks.  That's so 1980's.   I
throw 7200 in all our laptops, heat has never been a problem.  Now, on
an ultra-portable or tablet, I could see how it could be...  But then
again, there are many 7200 RPM drives that claim they are just as cool
as 5400 rpm drives...

 

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Doesn't putting in a 7200 spin disk increase the heat factor?  I always
thought that was the reason some laptops come with 5400 spin drives to
keep the heat down.

 

Bill Lambert

Concuity

847-941-9206

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

My wife has a top of the line Sony SZ48 series Vaio. Fantastic machine -
carbon fibre case, weighs next to nothing, two GPUs. Performance out of
the box is abysmal. I replaced the drive with a 7200 RPM disk, upped the
RAM, and tried to remove as much Sony crapware as possible (it even
comes with its own copy of SQL Server to manage your media - because WMP
obviously can't do that). Runs a lot better now, but I suspect it'll run
a lot better with a clean install.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Check out this story:

 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=429

 

It's a perfect example of a manufacturer shipping a Vista machine with
unacceptable performance. This resulted in a black eye for the
manufacturer (Sony in this case, but they're not the only ones to do
this) and a lost customer for the manufacturer and Microsoft alike.

 

I didn't participate in the Vista beta, but I did grab it as soon as it
RTM'd. I installed it on my home desktop, which is a modest box (Pentium
D CPU w/ 2 GB of RAM) I built myself a good year before Vista was
released. It ran great. Still does. Now, if I could run Vista fine on a
machine that I built from parts that were never designed to work with
Vista, why is it that PC manufacturers can't ship brand new machines
that work as well?

 

 

John

 

 

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we
can't blame the new OS?

Oh yes we can.

--Matt ross



From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
users, and the OS gets the blame.

 

 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Rankin, James R]

Hehe. Support v developers, it’s like being a mod or a rocker, or an Elvis
Man vs a Beatles Man. You can’t be both.

 

/expecting flurry of rebuttals from support guys who do development, or vice
versa/

 

  _  

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 12 May 2008 16:33
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Nothing, that counts for about ½ of the developers in the world. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

What’s wrong with blaming the people who can’t program a decent driver in
the first place?

 

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 02:44 hrs.
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we
can't blame the new OS?

Oh yes we can.

--Matt ross

  _  

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
users, and the OS gets the blame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Is list alive?

[Christopher J. Bosak]

Considering I just got ALL the emails I sent out back just now, I guess it
is working. not sure what's with the delay though.

 

Christopher J. Bosak

Vector Company

c. 847.603.4673

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

"You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue."

- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me

 

From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 08:54 hrs
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Is list alive?

 

Ping!

 

Christopher J. Bosak

Vector Company

c. 847.603.4673

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

"You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue."

- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me

 

 

 

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ziots, Edward]

Nothing, that counts for about ½ of the developers in the world. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

What's wrong with blaming the people who can't program a decent driver in the 
first place?

 

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 02:44 hrs.
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we can't 
blame the new OS?

Oh yes we can.

--Matt ross



From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
users, and the OS gets the blame.

 

 

 

 

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RE: R: Why XP is doomed

[Carl Houseman]

I haven't taken this to PSS yet... it's not a customer problem, more of a
personal one, and I'll probably make a change to just not have the stuff
available offline - or use some other encryption tool.  I can't believe, as
easy as it was for me to find this broken, that MS isn't already aware of it
and we're just waiting around for someone to issue a hotfix.

So I'm not in any hurry - if you care to find out what's going on WRT this
issue, feel free.

thanks,
Carl

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: R: Why XP is doomed

Have you opened a call with PSS about this? I can open a call for you
(privileges of MVP-dom), but it will be with Asia-Pac based GTSC, so it
might be a bit slower resolution wise...

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 6:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: R: Why XP is doomed

No, not really, at least not in the Server 2003 environment.  Speaking after
1.5 months of everyday Vista use, the more pertinent question is, are there
things you can do in XP that don't work on Vista?   YES.  Top of my list:
"encrypted offline files".  And yes I'm talking about Vista SP1.

I'm way past complaining about UAC and performance - all those things are
solved when you have new hardware, TweakUAC, and KB 937624.  Try not to
think about how many CPU cycles and how much RAM are needed just to keep
things secure and maintain DRM.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: R: Why XP is doomed

And besides being on the "latest" version of Windows, what are you
getting out of your addition investments?  Is there something you can
do on Vista that you cant on XP?


On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM, HELP_PC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you are right . Windows Xp was sucking a lot on a PentiumIII
> 1ghz machine with 256MB RAM, where Win 98 was really "fast".
> I am now deploying Q6600 or T9300 machines with Vista and 4GB RAM and I
> am quite satisfied.
>
>
> GuidoElia
> HELPPC
>
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: sabato 10 maggio 2008 16.44
> A: NT System Admin Issues
> Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
> MS's earnings were disappointing? Welcome to 2008. They can stand in
> line with the other 80% of companies with the same problems.
>
> As for support, XP has been around since 2001 and mainstream support
> goes until Apr. 2009.
> That's a damn long life cycle for any software maker. This is the same
> whining that went on with Windows 98 and Windows 2000. I don't remember
> the world ending in either case. Think about what other software was
> released in
> 2001 and if it's still support. I wonder if Adobe still supports
> Photoshop 6.0? I'll bet Apple still supports OSX 10.0.0, but Apple seems
> to be living the rock star life these days.
>
> Now Ill also say I'm still a HUGE XP fan. I use XP at home on all my
> machines. My work machine is Vista and while I don't really dislike it,
> it really doesn't do much for me either. But eventually the time will
> come to upgrade, and I'm sure my world won't end either. The "Vista
> sucks" thing has certainly taken on a life of its own. I would venture
> to guess that a very large percentage of the people who say it sucks
> have never tried it.
> It doesn't totally suck, it's justslightly sucky. Frankly if they
> could just get it to perform better, it would be great.



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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Christopher J. Bosak]

Windows Vista running XP Pro in VM.

FTW



 

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From: RAY ZORZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 09:40 hrs
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed

 

Yup. We have nearly 5000 machines, and only maybe a dozen or so could
actually run Vista.  So that means a wholesale change of our desktops to get
exactly what?  Add the latest Office version which takes awhile for even
experienced users to use, and it becomes a tough decision.

 

Maybe I should rephrase that last part.  In the past, the decision was
pretty much a no-brainer because of the learning curves, productivity drops,
etc.  Now MS is putting us in the position where it makes sense to look at
alternative solutions, whether it be Apple or opensource. 

 

We don't need "gorgeous" in the workplace.  We need speed, function and to
be error-free. 


>>> "Micheal Espinola Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2008 9:35 AM >>>
MBS said nothing to the effect of my question to you.

My annoyance with the whole this is having to purchase new hardware to
buy a new version of something that I dont need.

Yea, I know, progress, etc, yadda, yadda.  But Vista brings nothing to
the table for me to justify a corporate upgrade.

Its all a financial loss with no outstanding gain - other than
continued support.

I dont care for or need the dazzle of Vista in the workplace.


On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, HELP_PC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Smith couldn't answer better!
>
>
> GuidoElia
> HELPPC
>
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: sabato 10 maggio 2008 17.59
> A: NT System Admin Issues
> Oggetto: Re: R: Why XP is doomed
>
> And besides being on the "latest" version of Windows, what are you
> getting out of your addition investments?  Is there something you can do
> on Vista that you cant on XP?
>
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM, HELP_PC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think you are right . Windows Xp was sucking a lot on a PentiumIII
>> 1ghz machine with 256MB RAM, where Win 98 was really "fast".
>> I am now deploying Q6600 or T9300 machines with Vista and 4GB RAM and
>> I am quite satisfied.
>>
>>
>> GuidoElia
>> HELPPC
>>
>> -Messaggio originale-
>> Da: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Inviato: sabato 10 maggio 2008 16.44
>> A: NT System Admin Issues
>> Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed
>>
>>
>> MS's earnings were disappointing? Welcome to 2008. They can stand in
>> line with the other 80% of companies with the same problems.
>>
>> As for support, XP has been around since 2001 and mainstream support
>> goes until Apr. 2009.
>> That's a damn long life cycle for any software maker. This is the same
>
>> whining that went on with Windows 98 and Windows 2000. I don't
>> remember the world ending in either case. Think about what other
>> software was released in
>> 2001 and if it's still support. I wonder if Adobe still supports
>> Photoshop 6.0? I'll bet Apple still supports OSX 10.0.0, but Apple
>> seems to be living the rock star life these days.
>>
>> Now Ill also say I'm still a HUGE XP fan. I use XP at home on all my
>> machines. My work machine is Vista and while I don't really dislike
>> it, it really doesn't do much for me either. But eventually the time
>> will come to upgrade, and I'm sure my world won't end either. The
>> "Vista sucks" thing has certainly taken on a life of its own. I would
>> venture to guess that a very large percentage of the people who say it
>
>> sucks have never tried it.
>> It doesn't totally suck, it's justslightly sucky. Frankly if they
>> could just get it to perform better, it would be great.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:20 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Why XP is doomed
>>
>> Interesting analysis from Cringely.  As always, "follow the money" .
>>
>> --- Included Stuff Follows --- I, Cringely . The Pulpit .
>> Wimpy | PBS
>>
>>...
>>
>>Several readers are concerned about Microsoft's decision to stop
>> selling
>>
>>Windows XP and -- most importantly -- end security updates for the
>>venerable operating system. This has everything to do with business
>
>> and
>>nothing at all to do with technology. Wearing my business
>> reporter's
>>
>>fedora, then, I'll point you back a week or so to Microsoft's most
>> recent
>>earnings announcement, which disappointed Wall Street. This is
>> significant
>>because it is hard to find a Wall Street analyst who remembers the
>> last
>>time Microsoft's earnings were disappointing. It simply doesn't
>> happen.
>>That's because Microsoft has a myriad of tools for adjusting the
>> numbers
>>
>>to look just right.
>>
>>Because Microsoft has so ma

RE: Why XP is doomed

[Christopher J. Bosak]

What's wrong with blaming the people who can't program a decent driver in
the first place?

 

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 02:44 hrs.
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

 

Hold on there... If an OS requires new drivers and more horsepower... we
can't blame the new OS?

Oh yes we can.

--Matt ross

  _  

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vista wasn't perfect out of the gate, but it's not the piece of junk
people think it is, either. A huge reason Vista has a negative image is
that the hardware OEMs have been releasing buggy drivers for it--if they
released drivers for it at all--and have been shipping Vista computers
that either don't have enough horsepower or are bloated with crapware or
bad drivers (or all three). It all adds up to a bad experience for
users, and the OS gets the blame.

 

 

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[Steve Kelsay]

Remind me, why did we stop putting the unsub info at the bottom like we
used to?

-Original Message-
From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: take me off this list!

JP> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:33:43 -0500
JP> From: John Pedersen

JP> Thanks but it's just easier to delete the email address and let the
JP> list admin deal with the bounces.

It's also not a very nice way of doing things.  Perhaps that's just the
bias of someone who has adminned (how would one past-tense "admin" as a
verb?) a list of 10k+ subscribers...

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