RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Ken Schaefer]

Also, whilst we can discuss the potential for OS differences, I don't see such 
differences in my personal experience - certainly not as much as what these 
guys are reporting. I have this much gear at home: 
http://www.adopenstatic.com/temp/homenetwork.jpg and I think that's a 
reasonably representative sample of various machines.

Cheers
Ken

> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 4:48 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
> 
> Whilst the OS is different, there isn't that much difference in memory
> management algorithms and CPU schedulers. It's the same basic research and
> theory that goes into that fundamental level stuff.
> 
> On top of that there are bigger differences - approaches to building OS
> functionality. But that /shouldn't/ affect how quickly Photoshop applies a
> filter. The filter code is from Adobe in both cases, and the actual work is
> done by the CPU, with stuff stored in RAM, and rendered by a GPU.
> 
> Cheers
> Ken
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 3:46 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Ken Schaefer  
> > wrote:
> > > The only difference would be in the OS.
> >
> >   Right, and that's completely, totally different.  MacOS is a Mach
> > microkernel supporting a BSD layer supporting tons of Apple custom
> > stuff.  NT is pretty much its own beast.  They've got nothing in
> > common except the command-line FTP client (Copyright by The Regents of
> > the University of California, doncha know?).  Different kernel,
> > different scheduler, different network stack, different graphics
> > subsystem, different video drivers.  More than likely, the application
> > -- and the runtime libraries it depends on, and the compiler it was
> > built with -- have some major differences between platforms, too.
> >
> >   I'm not disagreeing with your suggested scientific approach to
> > things -- indeed, I think you're right on in questioning whether it's
> > really a platform different, and not just a broken installation -- but
> > dismissing the OS difference so casually is highly bogus.  :-)
> >
> > -- Ben
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Ken Schaefer]

Whilst the OS is different, there isn't that much difference in memory 
management algorithms and CPU schedulers. It's the same basic research and 
theory that goes into that fundamental level stuff.

On top of that there are bigger differences - approaches to building OS 
functionality. But that /shouldn't/ affect how quickly Photoshop applies a 
filter. The filter code is from Adobe in both cases, and the actual work is 
done by the CPU, with stuff stored in RAM, and rendered by a GPU.

Cheers
Ken

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 3:46 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
> 
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> > The only difference would be in the OS.
> 
>   Right, and that's completely, totally different.  MacOS is a Mach
> microkernel supporting a BSD layer supporting tons of Apple custom
> stuff.  NT is pretty much its own beast.  They've got nothing in
> common except the command-line FTP client (Copyright by The Regents of
> the University of California, doncha know?).  Different kernel,
> different scheduler, different network stack, different graphics
> subsystem, different video drivers.  More than likely, the application
> -- and the runtime libraries it depends on, and the compiler it was
> built with -- have some major differences between platforms, too.
> 
>   I'm not disagreeing with your suggested scientific approach to
> things -- indeed, I think you're right on in questioning whether it's
> really a platform different, and not just a broken installation -- but
> dismissing the OS difference so casually is highly bogus.  :-)
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> The only difference would be in the OS.

  Right, and that's completely, totally different.  MacOS is a Mach
microkernel supporting a BSD layer supporting tons of Apple custom
stuff.  NT is pretty much its own beast.  They've got nothing in
common except the command-line FTP client (Copyright by The Regents of
the University of California, doncha know?).  Different kernel,
different scheduler, different network stack, different graphics
subsystem, different video drivers.  More than likely, the application
-- and the runtime libraries it depends on, and the compiler it was
built with -- have some major differences between platforms, too.

  I'm not disagreeing with your suggested scientific approach to
things -- indeed, I think you're right on in questioning whether it's
really a platform different, and not just a broken installation -- but
dismissing the OS difference so casually is highly bogus.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Printing issue

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 18 Dec 2008 at 7:38, Dallas Burnworth  wrote:

> I guess the point I am trying to make is that spending more than an 8
> hour day to get a LaserJet 4 or 5 running is not worth it unless whoever
> owns it is paying someone minimum wage to fix it. 

If it were broken, I would agree, but mine at least is working now.  I ran my 
first HP Laser, an LJIII, until something expensive broke -- don't remember, 
but I think got more than 7 years out of that puppy.  The 5MP is its 
replacement and it's got to be a similar age.

Origin of this thread was about driver issues, not the printer, and looking 
back it seems the problem is on a machine that the original poster had upgraded 
from Windows 2000 to Windows XP.  I'm not surprised that he had problems, 
everyone I know recommends a clean install over an upgrade.  This is one reason 
I always set up the OS on one drive and all the software and data on another if 
I can.

> Model T Fords can be fixed indefinitely and some have been on the roads
> for 100 years (and you can still find places that sell replacement
> parts), but how many people are taking these things on the morning
> commute?

Speaking of Model Ts, I still have my first printer, an OKI ML-92, that I got 
in about 1987; don't know if it'll run, though.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
+---+




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Ken Schaefer]

Hi Jim,

My wife is a SAD at Euro RSCG, which is one of the world's top 5 ad agencies. I 
know plenty about "Macs in ad agencies"

But what I find surprising is all you guys that think that Photoshop is somehow 
faster on current Intel Macs, yet have no idea why it's so much better. Surely 
if you could work that out you could have much faster PCs as well.

These days it's the same memory, the same chipsets, the same CPU, the same 
disks, the same graphics cards. 6-10 years ago we could have argued about 
PowerPC versus Pentiums, but these days the hardware is the same. Redrawing an 
image works the same on both platforms. The only difference would be in the OS.

Cheers
Ken

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

In typical use, they are not faster imho. So there is no switch to flick. 
However if you use them professionally in areas that they shine they are 
faster. I did six years in a big advertising agency, and still do the support 
for my brother in-law's agency. And at the same time we have a big Mac lab here 
for the students to learn CS3/4 and video editing.



Open PhotoShop with four or five big high res tiff's and open a 60 page color 
corporate report in In-Design (that is pretty much complete) and link the 
photo's into the InDesign document. Then start retouching the images. Big 
adjustments like noise reduction and so on and bounce back and forth as you do 
each image and adjust the placement of the images and force the 60 pages to 
reflow..you will quickly see the difference between a Mac and a PC in this 
scenario. And what I describe is the typical day to day use of a Mac in an 
advertising agency, and that is where they are faster.



Unlike you, I hate Macs and it is the primary reason I got out of IT in the 
Advertising industry but there are some things they do better, much better. 
However I don't think it is a Mac vs PC issue as much as it is a long term 
cooperative effort between the Mac OS writers and Adobe. Lets face it, MS does 
not have a great reputation for cooperating with other software vendors.


From: Ken Schaefer [...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
Let me just add - I have nothing against Macs. I forked out $3k out of my own 
pocket for the two machines I have at home (not including new versions of OSX 
etc). I like them. I just don't see why they are any faster than any other 
machine I have. And if they are - and someone can give me a proper explanation 
*how* - I'd like to flick whatever "go faster" switch I need to.

Cheers
Ken

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?


From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at the 
same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 
15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility 
apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a slight 
hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS together on 
my PC.

Then I think there is something wrong with your PC, if there's such a 
difference between the two. I have Photoshop open right now on my PC (just a 
coincidence) and a bunch of other apps (it's a Dell XPS 420) and I don't have 
any problems.

What is stopping you running these two apps on your PC? Disk I/O? CPU? Running 
out of RAM?

I'm trying to get some *facts* here. We're supposed to be relatively scientific 
people. We should be approaching these things trying to determine root cause. 
We don't buy networking gear from Vendor X because it seems you can run a web 
browser and FTP client at the same time, but if you buy from Vendor Y you're 
struggling to download two webpages at the same time.

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH PCs.  
For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista.  I 
even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses like to 
report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, I do 
think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it, I'll 
say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because of it's 
performance.

And the question here is /why/ is your Mac performance so strikingly different?

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the 
statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

I'm not cl

RE: Way OT: A Favor

[Jake Gardner]

I havn't been here all that long, but I gave my click
 
Thanks,
 
Jake Gardner
TTC Network Administrator
Ext. 246
 



From: Len Hammond [mailto:lenhamm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Way OT: A Favor


+1
 
Been here a long time and Roger has been an asset to the list for a good
share of that time. I too followed Erik and Sherry in voting.


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Eric Brouwer 
wrote:


lol 

I thought the same thing, but I too voted.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Erik Goldoff wrote:



ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now
... so either I just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social
engineering scam to get me to click on a button on a chinese web site
where I cannot read nor understand the labels 
 


Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security
 



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: A Favor


My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his
school is having an online popularity contest.  He has requested help
elevating his vote count (currently in fourth place).
 
If you get a chance, please click on the button below
Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF
 
Thanks... He'll appreciate the help.
 
 
 
Roger Wright
Network Administrator
Evatone, Inc.
727.572.7076  x388
 

_
 
 

"I am certain there is too much certainty in the world."
- Michael Crichton



 

 



 

 





Eric Brouwer
IT Manager
www.forestpost.com  
er...@forestpost.com
248.855.4333






 


 








-- 
Len Hammond
CSI:Hartland
lenhamm...@gmail.com


 

 


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Re: Way OT: A Favor

[Len Hammond]

+1

Been here a long time and Roger has been an asset to the list for a good
share of that time. I too followed Erik and Sherry in voting.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Eric Brouwer  wrote:

> lol
> I thought the same thing, but I too voted.
>
>   On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Erik Goldoff wrote:
>
>   ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
> just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam to
> get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read nor
> understand the labels 
>
>  Erik Goldoff *IT  Consultant*
> *Systems, Networks, & Security*
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com ]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Way OT: A Favor
>
>   My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having
> an online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote
> count (currently in fourth place).
>
> If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:
> http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF
>
> Thanks… He'll appreciate the help.
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
> Network Administrator
> Evatone, Inc.
> 727.572.7076  x388
>
> 
>  _
>
>
>
> "I am certain there is too much certainty in the world." - Michael Crichton
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Eric Brouwer
> IT Manager
> www.forestpost.com
> er...@forestpost.com
> 248.855.4333
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Len Hammond
CSI:Hartland
lenhamm...@gmail.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Kennedy, Jim]

In typical use, they are not faster imho. So there is no switch to flick. 
However if you use them professionally in areas that they shine they are 
faster. I did six years in a big advertising agency, and still do the support 
for my brother in-law's agency. And at the same time we have a big Mac lab here 
for the students to learn CS3/4 and video editing.



Open PhotoShop with four or five big high res tiff's and open a 60 page color 
corporate report in In-Design (that is pretty much complete) and link the 
photo's into the InDesign document. Then start retouching the images. Big 
adjustments like noise reduction and so on and bounce back and forth as you do 
each image and adjust the placement of the images and force the 60 pages to 
reflow..you will quickly see the difference between a Mac and a PC in this 
scenario. And what I describe is the typical day to day use of a Mac in an 
advertising agency, and that is where they are faster.



Unlike you, I hate Macs and it is the primary reason I got out of IT in the 
Advertising industry but there are some things they do better, much better. 
However I don't think it is a Mac vs PC issue as much as it is a long term 
cooperative effort between the Mac OS writers and Adobe. Lets face it, MS does 
not have a great reputation for cooperating with other software vendors.



From: Ken Schaefer [...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

Let me just add – I have nothing against Macs. I forked out $3k out of my own 
pocket for the two machines I have at home (not including new versions of OSX 
etc). I like them. I just don’t see why they are any faster than any other 
machine I have. And if they are – and someone can give me a proper explanation 
*how* - I’d like to flick whatever “go faster” switch I need to.

Cheers
Ken

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?


From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at the 
same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 
15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility 
apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a slight 
hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS together on 
my PC.

Then I think there is something wrong with your PC, if there’s such a 
difference between the two. I have Photoshop open right now on my PC (just a 
coincidence) and a bunch of other apps (it’s a Dell XPS 420) and I don’t have 
any problems.

What is stopping you running these two apps on your PC? Disk I/O? CPU? Running 
out of RAM?

I’m trying to get some *facts* here. We’re supposed to be relatively scientific 
people. We should be approaching these things trying to determine root cause. 
We don’t buy networking gear from Vendor X because it seems you can run a web 
browser and FTP client at the same time, but if you buy from Vendor Y you’re 
struggling to download two webpages at the same time.

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH PCs.  
For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista.  I 
even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses like to 
report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, I do 
think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it, I'll 
say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because of it's 
performance.

And the question here is /why/ is your Mac performance so strikingly different?

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the 
statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

I’m not claiming they are generic white boxes. I’m saying that the design, and 
the hardware testing that goes into them is no different to what you can get 
from other brands (Dell, HP, IBM etc). Someone else made the claim about “white 
boxes”.

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could have 
sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.


No, the “off the cuff” remark I was making was about the *size* of the patches. 
Seems every app patch is almost a complete reinstallation of the app. A lot 
seem to be in the 50-100MB size. I didn’t want to make a big deal about it – it 
was just humour on the side.



Cheers

Ken











~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Salvador Manzo]

 

 



From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

 

 

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

 



 

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could
have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.

 

No, the "off the cuff" remark I was making was about the *size* of the
patches. Seems every app patch is almost a complete reinstallation of
the app. A lot seem to be in the 50-100MB size. I didn't want to make a
big deal about it - it was just humour on the side.
 
 
Cheers
Ken

 

 That's because, depending on the application, they might actually BE
full reinstalls.  iTunes and QuickTime are absolutely the worst for
this, and they tend to be the most commonly updated applications.  Also,
Apple is big on sending out consolidated, single file updates per
architecture.  When you bring down the 10.5.6 update, for example, it's
a compilation of every patch they've written between 10.5.5 and 10.5.6.
You usually won't get simple patches from them, the way you would in
Windows for a GDI+ problem, for example.

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Ken Schaefer]

Let me just add - I have nothing against Macs. I forked out $3k out of my own 
pocket for the two machines I have at home (not including new versions of OSX 
etc). I like them. I just don't see why they are any faster than any other 
machine I have. And if they are - and someone can give me a proper explanation 
*how* - I'd like to flick whatever "go faster" switch I need to.

Cheers
Ken

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?


From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at the 
same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 
15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility 
apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a slight 
hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS together on 
my PC.

Then I think there is something wrong with your PC, if there's such a 
difference between the two. I have Photoshop open right now on my PC (just a 
coincidence) and a bunch of other apps (it's a Dell XPS 420) and I don't have 
any problems.

What is stopping you running these two apps on your PC? Disk I/O? CPU? Running 
out of RAM?

I'm trying to get some *facts* here. We're supposed to be relatively scientific 
people. We should be approaching these things trying to determine root cause. 
We don't buy networking gear from Vendor X because it seems you can run a web 
browser and FTP client at the same time, but if you buy from Vendor Y you're 
struggling to download two webpages at the same time.

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH PCs.  
For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista.  I 
even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses like to 
report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, I do 
think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it, I'll 
say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because of it's 
performance.

And the question here is /why/ is your Mac performance so strikingly different?

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the 
statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

I'm not claiming they are generic white boxes. I'm saying that the design, and 
the hardware testing that goes into them is no different to what you can get 
from other brands (Dell, HP, IBM etc). Someone else made the claim about "white 
boxes".

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could have 
sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.


No, the "off the cuff" remark I was making was about the *size* of the patches. 
Seems every app patch is almost a complete reinstallation of the app. A lot 
seem to be in the 50-100MB size. I didn't want to make a big deal about it - it 
was just humour on the side.



Cheers

Ken






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Ken Schaefer]

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at the 
same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 
15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility 
apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a slight 
hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS together on 
my PC.

Then I think there is something wrong with your PC, if there's such a 
difference between the two. I have Photoshop open right now on my PC (just a 
coincidence) and a bunch of other apps (it's a Dell XPS 420) and I don't have 
any problems.

What is stopping you running these two apps on your PC? Disk I/O? CPU? Running 
out of RAM?

I'm trying to get some *facts* here. We're supposed to be relatively scientific 
people. We should be approaching these things trying to determine root cause. 
We don't buy networking gear from Vendor X because it seems you can run a web 
browser and FTP client at the same time, but if you buy from Vendor Y you're 
struggling to download two webpages at the same time.

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH PCs.  
For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista.  I 
even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses like to 
report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, I do 
think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it, I'll 
say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because of it's 
performance.

And the question here is /why/ is your Mac performance so strikingly different?

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the 
statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

I'm not claiming they are generic white boxes. I'm saying that the design, and 
the hardware testing that goes into them is no different to what you can get 
from other brands (Dell, HP, IBM etc). Someone else made the claim about "white 
boxes".

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could have 
sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.


No, the "off the cuff" remark I was making was about the *size* of the patches. 
Seems every app patch is almost a complete reinstallation of the app. A lot 
seem to be in the 50-100MB size. I didn't want to make a big deal about it - it 
was just humour on the side.



Cheers

Ken

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~   ~

Re: issue with accessing \\servername

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Jesse Rink  wrote:
> So in other words, even if it doesn't HAVE a persisntent route to 192.168.x.x 
> via 10.0.0.254, it CAN
> get one by pinging or accessing a server share in the 192.168.x.x. network 
> and KEEPS that
> route until the server is rebooted, loses network connection, or the route 
> "expires".

  That almost sounds like an ICMP redirect to me.  Your ISA server is
getting packets from Server-5 with a destination address in
192.168.0.0/24.  ISA knows 10.0.0.254 is the gateway for that net.
But it also knows that Server-5's packet came from 10.0.0.0/24, and
should be able to reach 10.0.0.254 directly.  So it sends an ICMP
redirect message to Server-5, saying "You can get to 192.168.0.0/24
via 10.0.0.254, and save yourself some time".  As I recall, whether or
not a router also forwards the packet when it sends a redirect is
implementation-dependent.  Some routers will do it anyway ("This isn't
the most efficient route, but I'll do it anyway"), some will drop the
packet ("This is dumb, use the more direct route").

  ICMP redirects are widely regarded as a security exposure, usually
not enabled, and many implementations don't even support them, but I
can't say I've looked up or tested what Windows does in this scenario.

> It almost seems like the 10.0.0.1 router is NOT doing it's job, but in a way,
> it seems to be, since pinging works between the sites.

  I'm guessing now, but maybe ISA's firewall rules are preventing it
from forwarding some/all datagrams.  So maybe ping is allowed, and
thus it makes it through, triggering the redirect and subsequent
routing table improvement.  Or maybe ping isn't allowed, but it will
result in an ICMP redirect being sent anyway.  In any event, I'd check
ISA real thoroughly.

  If you really want to know, put a packet sniffer at the interesting
points on your network, and see what traffic goes by.

> I did some ping tests also, and found that trying to ping with packets larger 
> than 3 over the VPN fail everytime.
> 29000 they work fine... 29500 they fail 50% of the time.

  That's probably a bad sign, especially the intermittent failures.
If it was MTU or similar, it should be a hard limit, all-or-nothing.

  You might have a bad network link somewhere.

  You might have a path MTU problem.  Maybe something along the
network path from A to B cannot accept packets larger than some size,
but it can't fragment the packets for whatever reason.  Or can't do so
consistently.  If so, tuning the MTU on a working gateway at either
end would be a workaround.

> I will call Vigor tech (vpn routers between the 2 sites) and see what they 
> say.

  Given that things *work* when your servers have routes that directly
specify the VPN gateway, and *don't* work when they go through ISA,
I'm thinking the problem is more likely with ISA than the VPN gateway.
 But then you've got that ping issue.  Hmmm.  Perhaps you have
multiple network problems.

  Possibly relevant horror story: I once had a frame-relay circuit
which had a data-dependent problem.  It worked fine most of the time,
but a particular bit pattern would cause massive frame loss.  That
particular bit pattern happened to corespond to "AA" (repeated
capital letter A).  Occasionally, some file attachment would contain
that in whitespace, and kablooie, sending an email kills the feed.  It
took me *weeks* to figure that one out.  It took almost as long to
convince the provider that it was a real problem.

> I'm considering just changing things arounds so that the default gw at site-A 
> is 10.0.0.254 instead of 10.0.0.1...
> and changing the route statements on the vigor site-to-site vpn route to 
> forward all 192.168.x.x traffic over the vpn,
> an the rest of it to 10.0.0.1 (the isa firewall). I'm thinking that SHOULD 
> fix the issue.

  If you really want to be proper, toss another NIC in the ISA box,
and put the Vigor box on that, on a subnet of its own, and configure
the ISA to route traffic appropriately.  Doubled-back routes are ugly,
inefficient, and make diagnostics more difficult.  Your network
topology should be a tree, not a bush.  :)

-- Ben

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~   ~

RE: Odd exchange email delay

[Michael B. Smith]

Depends on the e-mail server.

 

Exchange goes through a LOT of trouble to delay and avoid message
bifurcation if possible.

 

Other e-mail servers do not.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Odd exchange email delay

 

Oh right, sorry guys.

 

Ill have to look, but just to get it straight in my head, if I have a single
email, and send it to multiple recipiants on the same domain, it actually
splits the mail into however many recipients that there are and send 2 or 3
or whatever emails.

 

So although the unique ID is the same, its actually 2 or 3 or whatever
emails.

 

Doesnt explain the delay as presumably they left the server at the other end
at the same time?

 

Gavin.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Ames Matthew B  wrote:

Phew,  I was beginning to think my knowledge of SMTP was flawed! :-)

 

Or just check the header in the message in Outlook (View | Options and then
look in the Internet Headers box [Outlook 2k3])

 

Cheers,

Matt

 

  _  

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] 
Sent: 18 December 2008 15:54


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Odd exchange email delay

As Mr. Ames asked - did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same
time?

 

The message may have the same message-id, but each copy came in separately.
That's why you see two entries of "message submitted to advanced queuing" .

 

You need to check your SMTP logs. It doesn't appear to be an Exchange issue
per se.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Odd exchange email delay

 

Hi,

 

Its not two messages, its a single email addressed to 2 recipients, it came
in at 15.47, one user got it straight away, the other 8 hours later.

 

Gavin.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Ames Matthew B  wrote:

Did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?  I would have
imagined for what ever reason the delay would have been outside.  ie. when
the person sends the message, would their mail server not have generate two
emails (one for each of your users).  These messages then travel over the
internet to your mail server, which then accepts them and delivers them in a
timely fashion to the appropiate users mail box.

 

I would have a look at the message headers of the message which was delayed
by 8 hours and see if the delay occured before or after it hit your network.

 

  _  

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 18 December 2008 09:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Odd exchange email delay

Hi,

 

I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened
yesterday that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.

 

An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally. both
the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered instantly
to one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about 8 hours
before it then got submitted. A copy of the message history is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.

 

Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?

 

Gavin.

 

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Re: Printing issue

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
> Last years black friday (post-turkey day) I picked up a Samsung CLP-300 for
> $99 after rebate.

  I tried the in-storm demo on one of those, because the idea of a
compact color laser was really appealing.  The thing was slower than
molasses.  It took it like 20 seconds to print a page (3
pages/minute).  Reviews on the web seemed to corroborate.  What's your
experience with that?

  Certainly, the printer itself is so cheap as to be disposable.  They
might as well just not bother making the toner refillable; just throw
it out and buy a new one.  ;-)  Kind of sucks from a "Green"
perspective, but that particular fad hasn't caught on here.  Yet.

-- Ben

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Re: Printing issue

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Dallas Burnworth
 wrote:
> Right, but that is why you have to consider the time and cost of keeping
> them up and running, cost per page and replacement parts. In the case of
> the LaserJet 5, everything you buy is going to be refurbished or third
> party.

  As of around Q1 2008, HP took a real nose-dive for me.  I've found
third-party stuff to be both cheaper *and* more reliable than their
genuine HP branded stuff.  And if you call HP support for a cartridge
problem, they will refuse to honor the cartridge warranty if the
printer is not also under warranty.  It appears HP's printer division
no longer cares about customer service, while the third-parties do.
So really, in my book, having to depend on third-parties might be a
selling point.

  The new HP printer models don't last nearly as long as the old ones
did, either.

  So, poorer product quality, lousy customer service, for a six dollar
lifetime energy savings.  What's the benefit, again?

  TCO, indeed.

-- Ben

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RE: Odd exchange email delay

[Tim Evans]

You need to check the SMTP headers on each email to know for sure.


...Tim

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Odd exchange email delay

Oh right, sorry guys.

Ill have to look, but just to get it straight in my head, if I have a single 
email, and send it to multiple recipiants on the same domain, it actually 
splits the mail into however many recipients that there are and send 2 or 3 or 
whatever emails.

So although the unique ID is the same, its actually 2 or 3 or whatever emails.

Doesnt explain the delay as presumably they left the server at the other end at 
the same time?

Gavin.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Ames Matthew B 
mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>> wrote:
Phew,  I was beginning to think my knowledge of SMTP was flawed! :-)

Or just check the header in the message in Outlook (View | Options and then 
look in the Internet Headers box [Outlook 2k3])

Cheers,
Matt


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com]
Sent: 18 December 2008 15:54

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Odd exchange email delay

As Mr. Ames asked - did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?



The message may have the same message-id, but each copy came in separately. 
That's why you see two entries of "message submitted to advanced queuing" .



You need to check your SMTP logs. It doesn't appear to be an Exchange issue per 
se.



Regards,



Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php



From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Odd exchange email delay



Hi,



Its not two messages, its a single email addressed to 2 recipients, it came in 
at 15.47, one user got it straight away, the other 8 hours later.



Gavin.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Ames Matthew B 
mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>> wrote:

Did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?  I would have 
imagined for what ever reason the delay would have been outside.  ie. when the 
person sends the message, would their mail server not have generate two emails 
(one for each of your users).  These messages then travel over the internet to 
your mail server, which then accepts them and delivers them in a timely fashion 
to the appropiate users mail box.



I would have a look at the message headers of the message which was delayed by 
8 hours and see if the delay occured before or after it hit your network.





From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 December 2008 09:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Odd exchange email delay

Hi,



I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened yesterday 
that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.



An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally. both 
the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered instantly to 
one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about 8 hours before it 
then got submitted. A copy of the message history is here: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.



Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?



Gavin.



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Re: Odd exchange email delay

[Gavin Wilby]

Oh right, sorry guys.
Ill have to look, but just to get it straight in my head, if I have a single
email, and send it to multiple recipiants on the same domain, it actually
splits the mail into however many recipients that there are and send 2 or 3
or whatever emails.

So although the unique ID is the same, its actually 2 or 3 or whatever
emails.

Doesnt explain the delay as presumably they left the server at the other end
at the same time?

Gavin.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Ames Matthew B  wrote:

>  Phew,  I was beginning to think my knowledge of SMTP was flawed! :-)
>
> Or just check the header in the message in Outlook (View | Options and then
> look in the Internet Headers box [Outlook 2k3])
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
>  --
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com]
> *Sent:* 18 December 2008 15:54
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Odd exchange email delay
>
>  As Mr. Ames asked – did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same
> time?
>
>
>
> The message may have the same message-id, but each copy came in separately.
> That's why you see two entries of "message submitted to advanced queuing" .
>
>
>
> You need to check your SMTP logs. It doesn't appear to be an Exchange issue
> per se.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
>
> My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael
>
> I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php
>
>
>
> *From:* Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:47 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Odd exchange email delay
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Its not two messages, its a single email addressed to 2 recipients, it came
> in at 15.47, one user got it straight away, the other 8 hours later.
>
>
>
> Gavin.
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Ames Matthew B 
> wrote:
>
> Did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?  I would have
> imagined for what ever reason the delay would have been outside.  ie. when
> the person sends the message, would their mail server not have generate two
> emails (one for each of your users).  These messages then travel over the
> internet to your mail server, which then accepts them and delivers them in a
> timely fashion to the appropiate users mail box.
>
>
>
> I would have a look at the message headers of the message which was delayed
> by 8 hours and see if the delay occured before or after it hit your network.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 18 December 2008 09:56
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Odd exchange email delay
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened
> yesterday that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.
>
>
>
> An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally.
> both the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered
> instantly to one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about 8
> hours before it then got submitted. A copy of the message history is here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?
>
>
>
> Gavin.
>
>
>
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> recipient(s).  The information in this communication may be
> confidential and/or legally privileged.  Nothing in this e-mail is
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> subject to any other legally binding commitments, unless the e-mail
> contains an express statement to the contrary or incorporates a formal
> Purchase Order.
>
> For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying,
> distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance
> on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.
>
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> monitored and recorded for business purposes including security, audit
> and archival purposes.  Any response to this email indicates consent
> to this.
>
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> control, security and other business purposes.
>
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> Registered office: 85 Buckingham Gate, London SW1E 6PD, United Kingdom
> Trading address: Cody Technology Park, Cody Building, Ively Road,
> Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX, United Kingdom
> http://www.qinetiq.com/home/notices/legal.html
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Tool to report on old files.

[Michael B. Smith]

You might find that it saves you far more time than it costs you. It
certainly has me.

 

I can do things with PowerShell that would've been difficult or impossible
with vbscript and just ugly with C#.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Tool to report on old files.

 

I keep meaning to get a book and start but it seems to me one thing after
another to fix at work.

 

Jon

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Joe Tinney  wrote:

That's great for viewing the results in the console, I might pipe that into
more, though. 

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | ft lastaccesstime,
name, directory, creationtime | more

 

If you wanted to export it you wouldn't want to use Format-Table, you would
use Select-Object. 

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | select
lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime | export-csv .\file.csv

 

or

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | select
lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime | out-file .\file.txt

 

The first example is a CSV and the second is just plain text.

 

Special Thanks to Michael B Smith for pushing PowerShell so much on the
list. I've started using it since joining and I love it!

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:08 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Tool to report on old files. 

 

How about PowerShell?

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | ft lastaccesstime,
name, directory, creationtime

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Tool to report on old files.

 

I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users that
save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu for the new
ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.

How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and
created, all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.

 

TIA

 

Luke

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Re: Tool to report on old files.

[Jon Harris]

I keep meaning to get a book and start but it seems to me one thing after
another to fix at work.

Jon

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Joe Tinney  wrote:

>  That's great for viewing the results in the console, I might pipe that
> into more, though.
>
>
>
> dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime –descending | ft lastaccesstime,
> name, directory, creationtime | more
>
>
>
> If you wanted to export it you wouldn't want to use Format-Table, you would
> use Select-Object.
>
>
>
> dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | select
> lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime | export-csv .\file.csv
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | select
> lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime | out-file .\file.txt
>
>
>
> The first example is a CSV and the second is just plain text.
>
>
>
> Special Thanks to Michael B Smith for pushing PowerShell so much on the
> list. I've started using it since joining and I love it!
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:08 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Tool to report on old files.
>
>
>
> How about PowerShell?
>
>
>
> dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | ft lastaccesstime,
> name, directory, creationtime
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
>
> My blog: 
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael
>
> I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php
>
>
>
> *From:* Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:59 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Tool to report on old files.
>
>
>
> I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users that
> save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu for the new
> ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.
>
> How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and
> created, all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.
>
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
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RE: Tool to report on old files.

[Joe Tinney]

That's great for viewing the results in the console, I might pipe that
into more, though. 

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | ft
lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime | more

 

If you wanted to export it you wouldn't want to use Format-Table, you
would use Select-Object. 

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | select
lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime | export-csv .\file.csv

 

or

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | select
lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime | out-file .\file.txt

 

The first example is a CSV and the second is just plain text.

 

Special Thanks to Michael B Smith for pushing PowerShell so much on the
list. I've started using it since joining and I love it!

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Tool to report on old files.

 

How about PowerShell?

 

dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | ft
lastaccesstime, name, directory, creationtime

 

Regards,

 

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My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Tool to report on old files.

 

I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users
that save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu
for the new ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.

How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and
created, all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.

 

TIA

 

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Re: Tool to report on old files.

[Jon Harris]

Perfect for me!

Jon

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Michael B. Smith <
mich...@theessentialexchange.com> wrote:

>  How about PowerShell?
>
>
>
> dir -recurse c:\temp | sort lastaccesstime -descending | ft lastaccesstime,
> name, directory, creationtime
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
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> Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
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> My blog: 
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael
>
> I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php
>
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> *From:* Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:59 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Tool to report on old files.
>
>
>
> I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users that
> save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu for the new
> ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.
>
> How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and
> created, all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.
>
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RE: Disabling folder redirection on one machine

[Miller Bonnie L .]

You have denied the loopback processing policy that way, as well as the folder 
redirection.  By denying the loopback, it can't process it as user policy, 
right?  I would think maybe you'll need a separate policy to apply the loopback 
processing before denying the second (existing) policy?

-Bonnie

From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Disabling folder redirection on one machine

Right, even with user loopback processing set to Replace it still doesn't work. 
I've got the folder redirection policy which works in itself, in that we are 
using folder redirection happily on all the machines. In its delegation tab is 
a group called "External laptops" which contains the laptop in question. That 
group has DENY against the apply policy permission. In that GPO we have turned 
on User loopback processing and set it to REPLACE.

As far as I can tell from the notes on the google-web that should 
work...shouldnt it ?

Olly

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 December 2008 17:35
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Disabling folder redirection on one machine

Yeah I missed that Users get that policy not Computers.  Putting the user into 
a security group and putting deny on them would work but then the policy would 
do be the same on ALL computers they used not just the laptops.

Jon
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Never tried it, but that sounds right to me.

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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Miller Bonnie L.
mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu>> wrote:
> Folder Redirection is a user-based policy, so wouldn't you need to activate
> loopback policy processing to apply (deny) it to a computer account?
>
>
>
> -Bonnie
>
>
>
> From: Oliver Marshall 
> [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Disabling folder redirection on one machine
>
>
>
> Something is amiss. RSOP for my user account against the laptop in question
> shows that teh folder redirection policy is (should be) being applied even
> though that laptop has DENY against Apply Policy in the delegation tab :S
>
>
>
> Odd.
>
>
>
> From: Oliver Marshall 
> [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com]
> Sent: 17 December 2008 11:09
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Disabling folder redirection on one machine
>
>
>
> Annoyingly, that doesn't work L
>
>
>
> I've put the computer in to a security group, put that group in the
> Delegation tab with an advanced property specifying "Apply Policy DENY", but
> no end of rebooting for forcing an update causes the laptop in question to
> NOT apply that policy. Any user logging on happily gets all the data
> synched. The event log on either box shows no errors relating to why the GPO
> *IS* being applied.
>
>
>
> ARGH!
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 16 December 2008 12:06
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Disabling folder redirection on one machine
>
>
>
> Put the laptops in a Security group put a deny on the security group from
> geting that policy but make sure it is the only thing in that policy you
> want affected!
>
>
>
> Jon (finally getting rid of my cold)
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Oliver Marshall
> mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi chaps,
>
> Whats the best (read proper) way to disable folder redirection for any user
> on one machine? We have a 2008/vista based network and we use folder
> redirection to keep the data on the servers. All good. However we have some
> new laptops which will go out in the field and it's been decided that the
> users will need to be able to log on to the laptops as themselves (rather
> than using a dedicated local account on the laptop). However this in turn
> goes against the data policy which precludes laptops from having copies of
> users profiles or company data on them (everything is to be access via SSL
> web app).
>
> Is the best way to just add the computer name to the permissions of the
> folder redirection GPO and then set that permission to denied ?
>
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RE: Tool to report on old files.

[Brumbaugh, Luke]

Sorry, 2003 NAS edition

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Tool to report on old files.

You didn't mention the OS

If you're running Windows 2003 and upgrading to R2 is an option, there's some 
pretty decent reporting in the File Server Resource Manager.

- Sean
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Sam Cayze 
mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com>> wrote:
Here is one that reports files by how new they are.  I run it every week to 
keep an eye on a file share.  So you would need to modify it, but it might give 
you a taste of how LogParser can read directory structures.  Lots of options 
here.  LogParser is insanely customizable.

"c:\Program Files\Log Parser 2.2\LogParser.exe" -i:FS "SELECT TOP 100 Path, 
LastWriteTime from \\SHARE\*.* ORDER BY LastWriteTime DESC" -rtp:-1   
>Report.txt

Sam


From: Brumbaugh, Luke 
[mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Tool to report on old files.

I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users that 
save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu for the new 
ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.

How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and created, 
all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.



TIA



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RE: Printing issue

[Phillip Partipilo]

Last years black friday (post-turkey day) I picked up a Samsung CLP-300 for
$99 after rebate.  Rarely print color.  Probably about 100 pages daily run
thru it (ebay/amazon business order printouts).  On Ebay you can get generic
black toner tubs for that thing under 20 bucks - no integrated drum.  The
imaging unit probably needs changing after 20,000 pages or so, and thats
only 100 bucks.
 
Really cheap printer to operate (and color to boot!)
 
 
 
Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107
 
 
 

  _  

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Printing issue


With the price of gas as high as it is I would but the owners don't seem to
want to part with them.
 
Jon


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Dallas Burnworth
 wrote:


Right, but that is why you have to consider the time and cost of keeping
them up and running, cost per page and replacement parts. In the case of
the LaserJet 5, everything you buy is going to be refurbished or third
party. That means you are at the mercy of the few people that provide
that stuff for price and availability instead of the competitive market.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that spending more than an 8
hour day to get a LaserJet 4 or 5 running is not worth it unless whoever
owns it is paying someone minimum wage to fix it.

Model T Fords can be fixed indefinitely and some have been on the roads
for 100 years (and you can still find places that sell replacement
parts), but how many people are taking these things on the morning
commute?


-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing issue


On 17 Dec 2008 at 6:54, Dallas Burnworth  wrote:

> I apologize for not paying attention at the beginning. Not to get too
> far off the subject, but LaserJet 5? Why are you still using that?
They
> are tanks and last forever, but compared to anything you can get today
> you are hemorrhaging money just to keep it running. Here are 2 links
> that will prove it.
>
> HP LaserJet Power Calculator. (You will need to know what you pay per
> KWH.) You can compare new HP printers to Legacy HP printers or current
> competitive printers. This is really useful and for people trying to
> save money any way they can, this tells them exactly where the money
is
> going.
>
http://hpbroadband.com/(S(q3zkyv45j14ant45zwnel1rb))/program.aspx?key=In
> stantOnMFPs

I compared my antique Laserjet 5MP with HP's choice to replace it, the
LJ2015.
Over 5 years, it saved me all of $6 in electricity.  Whoopie Doo!

> LaserJet Page Cost Calculator. 70% of an HP printer's technology (not
> sure what it is on other brands) is in the cartridge, so it is very
> important to control the ongoing cost of every printer with
consistency
> in manufacture. In most cases man-hours are much more expensive than
> just getting the product that is more easily supported and cost the
end
> user or customer less than a single day of consulting fees.
>
http://www.hp.com/large/ipg/mfp/competitive-comparison-m4345mfp.html?jum
> pid=ex_r2548_go/pagecost

This compare big honking units with copier-based units.  Most of the
cost
savings appears to come from the initial purchase price.

> I'm not saying don't fix the current issue or anything (sometimes you
> just have to make things work), but you can use these tools in the
> future to differentiate your value to your customer/boss etc. from
your
> competition and peers.

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Re: Tool to report on old files.

[Sean Martin]

You didn't mention the OS

If you're running Windows 2003 and upgrading to R2 is an option, there's
some pretty decent reporting in the File Server Resource Manager.

- Sean

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

>  Here is one that reports files by how new they are.  I run it every week
> to keep an eye on a file share.  So you would need to modify it, but it
> might give you a taste of how LogParser can read directory structures.  Lots
> of options here.  LogParser is insanely customizable.
>
> "c:\Program Files\Log Parser 2.2\LogParser.exe" -i:FS "SELECT TOP 100 Path,
> LastWriteTime from \\SHARE\*.* ORDER BY LastWriteTime DESC" -rtp:-1
> >Report.txt
>
> Sam
>
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> *From:* Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:59 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Tool to report on old files.
>
>I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users
> that save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu for
> the new ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.
>
> How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and
> created, all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.
>
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RE: Change name of W2K3 TS

[Free, Bob]

Depends on how your clients do discovery and what mode it is installed
in. Is the name hardcoded in any clients or in TS configuration of any
of them? If it's all auto discovery it may be fine but the usual caveats
about testing apply.

 

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=301932

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Change name of W2K3 TS

 

I've got a W2K3 server that's running terminal services and the Terminal
Services licensing server is installed on it as well. I need to change
the name of the server. Am I going to have to redo the licensing server
or run into any issues? 

 

Thanks 

 

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Certificate Authority move during Windows 2008 upgrade.

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I know I have seen that a number of folks on the list have started (or 
completed) their move to Server 2008.
My question is if anyone has moved their CA from 2003 to 2008 yet, and if so, 
have there been any issues. It seems to be as simple as revoking my 2003 certs 
that are outstanding, uninstalling the 2003 CA, and then installing a CA on a 
new 2008 DC and letting clients use the new authority. However, having 
completed my Exchange 2003 to 2007 migration earlier this year, I tend not to 
believe that these things are as easy in reality as they appear on paper.  :-P
Thanks for any insight you may be able to give,
TVK

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RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Gene Giannamore]

Someday more people will realize, computers are just complicated tools, to help 
us get our work done, so we can spend more time outside playing, with our 
family and friends.




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-Original Message-
From: TJ [mailto:iwebfor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator 
at the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run 
Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, 
some utility apps, a chat program, etc


What are you talking about?  I do this NOW!  On a PC, circa 2001, 2G of RAM and 
I see no major problems at all!   Really.  I am not understanding this.

I'll tell you my experience with a friend at a Mac Store  This is a 
mid-40's year old business man who runs a very successful business - he's no 
dope.   He walks over to a Mac and begins going through the menus, the 
programs, opens up apps and clicks around a lot - keeps saying "isnt this 
cool?" and I just let him go on and on.  I probably heard "isnt this cool" 
about 1/2 dozen times before I looked at him and asked "isnt WHAT cool?   What 
EXACTLY is cool John?"  and with that, he looked at me and said "forget it.  
you're just dont understand".

Well, he's right!  I DO NOT understand.   If I did that with my PC, he'd think 
I was psycho or something.

This is what I dont get.  The machines are the same.  The hardware is the same. 
 The components are the same.  The MEMORY is the same.

Ah, forget it.  I've got work to do.


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Eric Brouwer  wrote:


The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator 
at the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run 
Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, 
some utility apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a 
slight hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS 
together on my PC.

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH 
PCs.  For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista. 
 I even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses like 
to report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, 
I do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it, 
I'll say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because of 
it's performance.

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than 
the statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I 
could have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:



OK - let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the 
Jobs RDF, then Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s and 0s 
around any faster than other electronic devices. They use the same graphics 
cards, hard drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs and chipsets and so on that are 
available in every other brand. The design might be good, but I don't see what 
they have over similarly priced competitors (even Dell's getting into decently 
looking hardware these days).

So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find 
"optimised"? I have two Macs here at home (just for my own use), and plenty of 
others I come into contact with. I can't say I've seen anything spectacular 
about them (except that I need to install 100MB of updates each month).

There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works - it 
suits the way I think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically gets 
more Hz out of a CPU...

Cheers
Ken

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then 
I was forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one of my own. 
 I admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and black magic going on in 
the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I can run far more apps with better 
response on a Mac of "lesser" raw tech specs than I can on any PC.

Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix 
based computer as I don't have the experience.  

RE: Tool to report on old files.

[Sam Cayze]

Here is one that reports files by how new they are.  I run it every week
to keep an eye on a file share.  So you would need to modify it, but it
might give you a taste of how LogParser can read directory structures.
Lots of options here.  LogParser is insanely customizable.
 
"c:\Program Files\Log Parser 2.2\LogParser.exe" -i:FS "SELECT TOP 100
Path, LastWriteTime from \\SHARE\*.* ORDER BY LastWriteTime DESC"
-rtp:-1   >Report.txt
 
Sam



From: Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Tool to report on old files.



I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users
that save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu
for the new ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.

How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and
created, all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.

 

TIA

 

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RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Gene Giannamore]

Ahh the good old days




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-Original Message-
From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

Hey, I got a 486 with 4 x 4 MEG EDO memory.. Oh baby, its got a smoking 40 meg 
IDE running PIO Mode 2.  I can kick out some awesome graphics with my Dual 3DFX 
card that makes Duke Nukem 3D practically non pixilated in 16 Color VGA, not no 
EGA mode here.   Wait till I tell you how I tweaked my autoexec and config.sys 
to to get me 612k of usable memory under EMS mode without a bootloader.   Plus 
its so cool that with the fan on the side I can set an glass of ice next to it 
and I got a built in AC unit.  Now that's efficient.



From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?



Huh? I haven't noticed anything particularly optimised about the two Macs (one 
Macbook and one Mac Mini) I have at home, that I can't get in other brands...



Cheers

Ken



From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 5:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?



Agreed.  Apple's are FAR from generic white boxes.  They are HIGHLY optimized, 
extremely efficient architectures.



On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:



It's not whitebox, it's branded, that brand is Apple.  When I purched my MBPro, 
I spec'ed similary equipped notebooks from HP, Dell and Lenovo.  Apple was more 
expensive than some, less than others, and I had the option of running a true 
UNIX as was mentioned earlier.



Apple is a Tier 1 manufacturer just as HP, Dell and Lenovo are.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM,  wrote:


"Joseph L. Casale"  wrote on 12/17/2008 11:13:17 AM:



> >Yes, but Apple is all about total control - if you limit the OS to
> only running hardware you produce, then you absolutely know that it is
> *guaranteed* to work with any hardware your customer owns, and > you
> can spend your software time and resources in other directions, rather
> than finding ways to make it run on any hardware ever invented (which
> is part of MS's problem).
> >
> >That's the theory, as I see it, anyway.


> This was exactly my point in the old justification towards the expense
> of the platform.

Sorry; I haven't been following the whole thread ...


> Now its whitebox intel run-of-the mill stuff? Does this _still_ apply?

It does if they say so. :-)















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RE: Odd exchange email delay

[Ames Matthew B]

Phew,  I was beginning to think my knowledge of SMTP was flawed! :-)
 
Or just check the header in the message in Outlook (View | Options and
then look in the Internet Headers box [Outlook 2k3])
 
Cheers,
Matt



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] 
Sent: 18 December 2008 15:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Odd exchange email delay



As Mr. Ames asked - did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same
time?

 

The message may have the same message-id, but each copy came in
separately. That's why you see two entries of "message submitted to
advanced queuing" .

 

You need to check your SMTP logs. It doesn't appear to be an Exchange
issue per se.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Odd exchange email delay

 

Hi,

 

Its not two messages, its a single email addressed to 2 recipients, it
came in at 15.47, one user got it straight away, the other 8 hours
later.

 

Gavin.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Ames Matthew B 
wrote:

Did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?  I would have
imagined for what ever reason the delay would have been outside.  ie.
when the person sends the message, would their mail server not have
generate two emails (one for each of your users).  These messages then
travel over the internet to your mail server, which then accepts them
and delivers them in a timely fashion to the appropiate users mail box.

 

I would have a look at the message headers of the message which was
delayed by 8 hours and see if the delay occured before or after it hit
your network.

 



From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 18 December 2008 09:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Odd exchange email delay

Hi,

 

I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened
yesterday that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.

 

An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally.
both the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered
instantly to one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about
8 hours before it then got submitted. A copy of the message history is
here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.

 

Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?

 

Gavin.

 


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Tool to report on old files.

[Brumbaugh, Luke]

I got to ask this, now that a full backup takes 3 days.   I have users that 
save files and some are so old and useless, like the dinner menu for the new 
ceo party, that was 2 ceo's ago.
How can I make a report by last accessed, owner, file, directory and created, 
all in one line.  If this is doable in VBS, even better.

TIA

Luke

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RE: Disabling folder redirection on one machine

[Oliver Marshall]

Right, even with user loopback processing set to Replace it still doesn't work. 
I've got the folder redirection policy which works in itself, in that we are 
using folder redirection happily on all the machines. In its delegation tab is 
a group called "External laptops" which contains the laptop in question. That 
group has DENY against the apply policy permission. In that GPO we have turned 
on User loopback processing and set it to REPLACE.

As far as I can tell from the notes on the google-web that should 
work...shouldnt it ?

Olly

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 December 2008 17:35
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Disabling folder redirection on one machine

Yeah I missed that Users get that policy not Computers.  Putting the user into 
a security group and putting deny on them would work but then the policy would 
do be the same on ALL computers they used not just the laptops.

Jon
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Never tried it, but that sounds right to me.

--
ME2



On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Miller Bonnie L.
mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu>> wrote:
> Folder Redirection is a user-based policy, so wouldn't you need to activate
> loopback policy processing to apply (deny) it to a computer account?
>
>
>
> -Bonnie
>
>
>
> From: Oliver Marshall 
> [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Disabling folder redirection on one machine
>
>
>
> Something is amiss. RSOP for my user account against the laptop in question
> shows that teh folder redirection policy is (should be) being applied even
> though that laptop has DENY against Apply Policy in the delegation tab :S
>
>
>
> Odd.
>
>
>
> From: Oliver Marshall 
> [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com]
> Sent: 17 December 2008 11:09
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Disabling folder redirection on one machine
>
>
>
> Annoyingly, that doesn't work L
>
>
>
> I've put the computer in to a security group, put that group in the
> Delegation tab with an advanced property specifying "Apply Policy DENY", but
> no end of rebooting for forcing an update causes the laptop in question to
> NOT apply that policy. Any user logging on happily gets all the data
> synched. The event log on either box shows no errors relating to why the GPO
> *IS* being applied.
>
>
>
> ARGH!
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 16 December 2008 12:06
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Disabling folder redirection on one machine
>
>
>
> Put the laptops in a Security group put a deny on the security group from
> geting that policy but make sure it is the only thing in that policy you
> want affected!
>
>
>
> Jon (finally getting rid of my cold)
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Oliver Marshall
> mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi chaps,
>
> Whats the best (read proper) way to disable folder redirection for any user
> on one machine? We have a 2008/vista based network and we use folder
> redirection to keep the data on the servers. All good. However we have some
> new laptops which will go out in the field and it's been decided that the
> users will need to be able to log on to the laptops as themselves (rather
> than using a dedicated local account on the laptop). However this in turn
> goes against the data policy which precludes laptops from having copies of
> users profiles or company data on them (everything is to be access via SSL
> web app).
>
> Is the best way to just add the computer name to the permissions of the
> folder redirection GPO and then set that permission to denied ?
>
> Olly 'got man cold' Marshall
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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RE: Odd exchange email delay

[Michael B. Smith]

As Mr. Ames asked - did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same
time?

 

The message may have the same message-id, but each copy came in separately.
That's why you see two entries of "message submitted to advanced queuing" .

 

You need to check your SMTP logs. It doesn't appear to be an Exchange issue
per se.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Odd exchange email delay

 

Hi,

 

Its not two messages, its a single email addressed to 2 recipients, it came
in at 15.47, one user got it straight away, the other 8 hours later.

 

Gavin.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Ames Matthew B  wrote:

Did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?  I would have
imagined for what ever reason the delay would have been outside.  ie. when
the person sends the message, would their mail server not have generate two
emails (one for each of your users).  These messages then travel over the
internet to your mail server, which then accepts them and delivers them in a
timely fashion to the appropiate users mail box.

 

I would have a look at the message headers of the message which was delayed
by 8 hours and see if the delay occured before or after it hit your network.

 

  _  

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 18 December 2008 09:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Odd exchange email delay

Hi,

 

I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened
yesterday that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.

 

An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally. both
the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered instantly
to one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about 8 hours
before it then got submitted. A copy of the message history is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.

 

Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?

 

Gavin.

 

 

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Re: Printing issue

[Jon Harris]

With the price of gas as high as it is I would but the owners don't seem to
want to part with them.

Jon

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Dallas Burnworth <
dallas.burnwo...@zones.com> wrote:

> Right, but that is why you have to consider the time and cost of keeping
> them up and running, cost per page and replacement parts. In the case of
> the LaserJet 5, everything you buy is going to be refurbished or third
> party. That means you are at the mercy of the few people that provide
> that stuff for price and availability instead of the competitive market.
>
> I guess the point I am trying to make is that spending more than an 8
> hour day to get a LaserJet 4 or 5 running is not worth it unless whoever
> owns it is paying someone minimum wage to fix it.
>
> Model T Fords can be fixed indefinitely and some have been on the roads
> for 100 years (and you can still find places that sell replacement
> parts), but how many people are taking these things on the morning
> commute?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Printing issue
>
>  On 17 Dec 2008 at 6:54, Dallas Burnworth  wrote:
>
> > I apologize for not paying attention at the beginning. Not to get too
> > far off the subject, but LaserJet 5? Why are you still using that?
> They
> > are tanks and last forever, but compared to anything you can get today
> > you are hemorrhaging money just to keep it running. Here are 2 links
> > that will prove it.
> >
> > HP LaserJet Power Calculator. (You will need to know what you pay per
> > KWH.) You can compare new HP printers to Legacy HP printers or current
> > competitive printers. This is really useful and for people trying to
> > save money any way they can, this tells them exactly where the money
> is
> > going.
> >
> http://hpbroadband.com/(S(q3zkyv45j14ant45zwnel1rb))/program.aspx?key=In
> > stantOnMFPs
>
> I compared my antique Laserjet 5MP with HP's choice to replace it, the
> LJ2015.
> Over 5 years, it saved me all of $6 in electricity.  Whoopie Doo!
>
> > LaserJet Page Cost Calculator. 70% of an HP printer's technology (not
> > sure what it is on other brands) is in the cartridge, so it is very
> > important to control the ongoing cost of every printer with
> consistency
> > in manufacture. In most cases man-hours are much more expensive than
> > just getting the product that is more easily supported and cost the
> end
> > user or customer less than a single day of consulting fees.
> >
> http://www.hp.com/large/ipg/mfp/competitive-comparison-m4345mfp.html?jum
> > pid=ex_r2548_go/pagecost
>
> This compare big honking units with copier-based units.  Most of the
> cost
> savings appears to come from the initial purchase price.
>
> > I'm not saying don't fix the current issue or anything (sometimes you
> > just have to make things work), but you can use these tools in the
> > future to differentiate your value to your customer/boss etc. from
> your
> > competition and peers.
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> +---+
>
>
>
>
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> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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>

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Change name of W2K3 TS

[Christopher Bodnar]

I've got a W2K3 server that's running terminal services and the Terminal
Services licensing server is installed on it as well. I need to change the
name of the server. Am I going to have to redo the licensing server or run
into any issues? 

 

Thanks 

 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

 




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Re: Odd exchange email delay

[Gavin Wilby]

Hi,

Its not two messages, its a single email addressed to 2 recipients, it came
in at 15.47, one user got it straight away, the other 8 hours later.

Gavin.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Ames Matthew B  wrote:

>  Did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?  I would have
> imagined for what ever reason the delay would have been outside.  ie. when
> the person sends the message, would their mail server not have generate two
> emails (one for each of your users).  These messages then travel over the
> internet to your mail server, which then accepts them and delivers them in a
> timely fashion to the appropiate users mail box.
>
> I would have a look at the message headers of the message which was delayed
> by 8 hours and see if the delay occured before or after it hit your network.
>
>  --
> *From:* Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 18 December 2008 09:56
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Odd exchange email delay
>
>   Hi,
>
> I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened
> yesterday that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.
>
> An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally.
> both the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered
> instantly to one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about 8
> hours before it then got submitted. A copy of the message history is here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.
>
> Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?
>
> Gavin.
>
>
>
>
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RE: Printing issue

[Dallas Burnworth]

Right, but that is why you have to consider the time and cost of keeping
them up and running, cost per page and replacement parts. In the case of
the LaserJet 5, everything you buy is going to be refurbished or third
party. That means you are at the mercy of the few people that provide
that stuff for price and availability instead of the competitive market.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that spending more than an 8
hour day to get a LaserJet 4 or 5 running is not worth it unless whoever
owns it is paying someone minimum wage to fix it. 

Model T Fords can be fixed indefinitely and some have been on the roads
for 100 years (and you can still find places that sell replacement
parts), but how many people are taking these things on the morning
commute?

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Printing issue

On 17 Dec 2008 at 6:54, Dallas Burnworth  wrote:

> I apologize for not paying attention at the beginning. Not to get too
> far off the subject, but LaserJet 5? Why are you still using that?
They
> are tanks and last forever, but compared to anything you can get today
> you are hemorrhaging money just to keep it running. Here are 2 links
> that will prove it.
> 
> HP LaserJet Power Calculator. (You will need to know what you pay per
> KWH.) You can compare new HP printers to Legacy HP printers or current
> competitive printers. This is really useful and for people trying to
> save money any way they can, this tells them exactly where the money
is
> going.
>
http://hpbroadband.com/(S(q3zkyv45j14ant45zwnel1rb))/program.aspx?key=In
> stantOnMFPs

I compared my antique Laserjet 5MP with HP's choice to replace it, the
LJ2015.  
Over 5 years, it saved me all of $6 in electricity.  Whoopie Doo!

> LaserJet Page Cost Calculator. 70% of an HP printer's technology (not
> sure what it is on other brands) is in the cartridge, so it is very
> important to control the ongoing cost of every printer with
consistency
> in manufacture. In most cases man-hours are much more expensive than
> just getting the product that is more easily supported and cost the
end
> user or customer less than a single day of consulting fees.
>
http://www.hp.com/large/ipg/mfp/competitive-comparison-m4345mfp.html?jum
> pid=ex_r2548_go/pagecost

This compare big honking units with copier-based units.  Most of the
cost 
savings appears to come from the initial purchase price.

> I'm not saying don't fix the current issue or anything (sometimes you
> just have to make things work), but you can use these tools in the
> future to differentiate your value to your customer/boss etc. from
your
> competition and peers.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
+---+




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~   ~

RE: Way OT: A Favor

[Kim Longenbaugh]

May the Force be with you!

 



From: Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor

 

Brumbaugh's got a deal for you

Schee Make Sushie, Qween house, long time, no probwem.

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Way OT: A Favor

 

Yup, had the same thoughts as well, but because of the person requesting
it, I voted.  

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Brumbaugh, Luke <
luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com> wrote:

Translator said something about a mail order bride, thanks a lot!

Should of translated before I clicked.

 

From: Doige, Clayton [mailto:clayton.do...@cme-net.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:54 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor

 

Your order will arrive in half an hour

 

Clayton Doige

IT Project Manager

CME Development Corporation

T: 020 7430 5355

M: 07949 255062

E:clayton.do...@cme-net.com

W:www.cetv-net.com

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 

Sent: 18 December 2008 14:52

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor

 

ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam
to get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read
nor understand the labels 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: A Favor

My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having
an online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote
count (currently in fourth place).

 

If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF

 

Thanks... He'll appreciate the help.

 

 

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

  

 

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RE: Way OT: A Favor

[David Lum]

My translation "skilz" must be off, I read it as "click here to vote Jason, he 
look for bride who love him long time..", and why did my anti-spyware just tell 
me an attempted rootkit was detected? Maybe if I vote again tomorrow the 
rootkit will actually work :)

CNET reports: "Roger Wright - Social Engineering Expert gets 400 supposed 
expert Windows Administrators to click on compromised website...unemployment 
jumps..."
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From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Way OT: A Favor

Yup, had the same thoughts as well, but because of the person requesting it, I 
voted.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Brumbaugh, Luke 
mailto:luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com>> wrote:

Translator said something about a mail order bride, thanks a lot!

Should of translated before I clicked.



From: Doige, Clayton 
[mailto:clayton.do...@cme-net.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:54 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor



Your order will arrive in half an hour



Clayton Doige

IT Project Manager

CME Development Corporation

T: 020 7430 5355

M: 07949 255062

E:clayton.do...@cme-net.com

W:www.cetv-net.com

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 December 2008 14:52
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor



ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I just 
helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam to get me to 
click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read nor understand the 
labels 



Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security







From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: A Favor

My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having an 
online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote count 
(currently in fourth place).



If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF



Thanks... He'll appreciate the help.







Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388



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RE: Way OT: A Favor

[Erik Goldoff]

that's ok, I'm an ex-ninja, we'll just catch up on old times and have a few
shots
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Way OT: A Favor


You will probably have a party of ninjas from the CIA breaking your door
down accusing you of involvement in cyber warfare, I'd give you about 20
minutes to escape


2008/12/18 David McSpadden 


I think we have been root*canal*kitted.

;-)

 


  _  


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:54 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor


 

You're in good company!  I've been voting once a day for several days now.

 

   

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_  

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor

 

ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam to
get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read nor
understand the labels 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 


  _  


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: A Favor

My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having an
online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote count
(currently in fourth place).

 

If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16

&type=teacherF

 

Thanks… He'll appreciate the help.

 

 

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

  

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Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Phillip Partipilo]

It's going to also be pretty interesting to see what happens when Jobs  
steps down (or dies).  He is such a megalomaniac, and feels that need  
to control absolutely everything.  CNBC talks about this all the time.

When he goes down, we might start seeing stickers all over the  
computers like a friggin Nascar or something, who knows.  Watch your  
investments.


On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:28 AM, TJ wrote:
>
> Until they realize there are potentially millions of "me's" out  
> here, they're always going to be that low market share, nice looking  
> product company.  But, maybe they want it that way.
>
>

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RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[David Lum]

Ford vs. Chevy comes to mind too...

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

Guess we are all Mac or PC then. kinda like Elvis or Beatles. Schwarzenegger or 
Stallone. Newcastle or Sunderland. On and on it can go.

Or it's like girlfriends. I think mine is great, but only because I have had 
time to explore her feature set and ignore all her little foibles. other 
people's mileage would probably vary  :-)
2008/12/18 TJ mailto:iwebfor...@gmail.com>>
The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at the 
same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 
15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility 
apps, a chat program, etc

What are you talking about?  I do this NOW!  On a PC, circa 2001, 2G of RAM and 
I see no major problems at all!   Really.  I am not understanding this.

I'll tell you my experience with a friend at a Mac Store  This is a 
mid-40's year old business man who runs a very successful business - he's no 
dope.   He walks over to a Mac and begins going through the menus, the 
programs, opens up apps and clicks around a lot - keeps saying "isnt this 
cool?" and I just let him go on and on.  I probably heard "isnt this cool" 
about 1/2 dozen times before I looked at him and asked "isnt WHAT cool?   What 
EXACTLY is cool John?"  and with that, he looked at me and said "forget it.  
you're just dont understand".

Well, he's right!  I DO NOT understand.   If I did that with my PC, he'd think 
I was psycho or something.

This is what I dont get.  The machines are the same.  The hardware is the same. 
 The components are the same.  The MEMORY is the same.

Ah, forget it.  I've got work to do.


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Eric Brouwer 
mailto:er...@forestpost.com>> wrote:
The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at the 
same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 
15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility 
apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a slight 
hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS together on 
my PC.

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH PCs.  
For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista.  I 
even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses like to 
report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, I do 
think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it, I'll 
say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because of it's 
performance.

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the 
statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could have 
sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:


OK - let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs RDF, then 
Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s and 0s around any 
faster than other electronic devices. They use the same graphics cards, hard 
drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs and chipsets and so on that are available in 
every other brand. The design might be good, but I don't see what they have 
over similarly priced competitors (even Dell's getting into decently looking 
hardware these days).

So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find "optimised"? I 
have two Macs here at home (just for my own use), and plenty of others I come 
into contact with. I can't say I've seen anything spectacular about them 
(except that I need to install 100MB of updates each month).

There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works - it suits the way I 
think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically gets more Hz out of a 
CPU...

Cheers
Ken

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I was forced to 
work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one of my own.  I admit, there 
still seems to be a lot of voodoo and black magic going on in the Macs, but 
they run amazingly well.  I can run far more apps with better response on a Mac 
of "lesser" raw tech specs than I can on any PC.

Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix based computer as I 
don't have the experience.  Also, my experience with Macs is their G5 and Power 
Books, not the Macbook, mini, nor iMac.  Far more expensive, to be sure, but a 
much better all around experience for me.

So yes, in my experi

Re: Way OT: A Favor

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Yup, had the same thoughts as well, but because of the person requesting it,
I voted.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Brumbaugh, Luke <
luke.brumba...@butlerahs.com> wrote:

>  Translator said something about a mail order bride, thanks a lot!
>
> Should of translated before I clicked.
>
>
>
> *From:* Doige, Clayton [mailto:clayton.do...@cme-net.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:54 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Way OT: A Favor
>
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> Your order will arrive in half an hour
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> *Clayton Doige*
>
> IT Project Manager
>
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>
> M: 07949 255062
>
> E:clayton.do...@cme-net.com
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>
> *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 18 December 2008 14:52
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Way OT: A Favor
>
>
>
> ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
> just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam to
> get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read nor
> understand the labels 
>
>
>  Erik Goldoff
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Way OT: A Favor
>
> My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having an
> online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote count
> (currently in fourth place).
>
>
>
> If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:
>
> http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF
>
>
>
> Thanks… He'll appreciate the help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Evatone, Inc.
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> 727.572.7076  x388
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Re: Way OT: A Favor

[James Rankin]

You will probably have a party of ninjas from the CIA breaking your door
down accusing you of involvement in cyber warfare, I'd give you about 20
minutes to escape

2008/12/18 David McSpadden 

>  I think we have been root*canal*kitted.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:54 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Way OT: A Favor
>
>
>
> You're in good company!  I've been voting once a day for several days now.
>
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>
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>
> Roger Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Evatone, Inc.
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> 727.572.7076  x388
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>
> *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:52 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Way OT: A Favor
>
>
>
> ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
> just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam to
> get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read nor
> understand the labels 
>
>
>  *Erik Goldoff*
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
>
>
>
>  --
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> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Way OT: A Favor
>
> My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having an
> online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote count
> (currently in fourth place).
>
>
>
> If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:
>
> http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF
>
>
>
> Thanks… He'll appreciate the help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
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Re: Way OT: A Favor

[Phillip Partipilo]

Or a rickroll :-)

On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Erik Goldoff wrote:

> ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so  
> either I just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social  
> engineering scam to get me to click on a button on a chinese web  
> site where I cannot read nor understand the labels 
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Way OT: A Favor
>
> My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is  
> having an online popularity contest.  He has requested help  
> elevating his vote count (currently in fourth place).
>
> If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason’s photo:
> http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF
>
> Thanks… He’ll appreciate the help.
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
> Network Administrator
> Evatone, Inc.
> 727.572.7076  x388
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RE: Way OT: A Favor

[David Mazzaccaro]

zero-day exploit... what?
LOL
+1
 



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor



You're in good company!  I've been voting once a day for several days
now.

 

   

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_  

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor

 

ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam
to get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read
nor understand the labels 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: A Favor

My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having
an online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote
count (currently in fourth place).

 

If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF

 

Thanks... He'll appreciate the help.

 

 

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

  

 

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Re: Way OT: A Favor

[Eric Brouwer]

lol

I thought the same thing, but I too voted.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Erik Goldoff wrote:

> ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so  
> either I just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social  
> engineering scam to get me to click on a button on a chinese web  
> site where I cannot read nor understand the labels 
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Way OT: A Favor
>
> My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is  
> having an online popularity contest.  He has requested help  
> elevating his vote count (currently in fourth place).
>
> If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason’s photo:
> http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF
>
> Thanks… He’ll appreciate the help.
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
> Network Administrator
> Evatone, Inc.
> 727.572.7076  x388
>
> 
> _
>
>
> "I am certain there is too much certainty in the world." - Michael  
> Crichton
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Eric Brouwer
IT Manager
www.forestpost.com
er...@forestpost.com
248.855.4333





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Way OT: A Favor

[David McSpadden]

I think we have been root*canal*kitted.

;-)

 



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor

 

You're in good company!  I've been voting once a day for several days
now.

 

   

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_  

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Way OT: A Favor

 

ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam
to get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read
nor understand the labels 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: A Favor

My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having
an online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote
count (currently in fourth place).

 

If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF

 

Thanks... He'll appreciate the help.

 

 

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

  

 

_

 

 

"I am certain there is too much certainty in the world." - Michael
Crichton 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<>

RE: Way OT: A Favor

[Erik Goldoff]

ok, because I've known you on the list for some time now ... so either I
just helped your nephew, OR I just fell into a social engineering scam to
get me to click on a button on a chinese web site where I cannot read nor
understand the labels 
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: A Favor



My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having an
online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote count
(currently in fourth place).

 

If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16

&type=teacherF

 

Thanks. He'll appreciate the help.

 

 

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

  

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RE: security message when moving folders

[David Lum]

+1, my thoughts exactly.

Dave

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: security message when moving folders

Does this have something to do with the settings for the local intranet zone - 
are they moving from network locations that Explorer thinks are outside the 
local intranet zone, or not added to the Trusted Sites list? If they are on a 
location that is mapped via IP, then Windows tends to think they are internet 
zones instead. I would definitely try adding the locations to trusted sites.
2008/12/18 mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com>>
Hi
I have several users who get this message when moving files and folders
This page has an unspecified potential security flaw. Would you like to
continue?
They click yes and everything works, but how can I get it to stop giving
the message? I believe it has something to do with IE

TIA

.
.
SAVE THE EARTH..
IT'S THE ONLY PLANET WITH CHOCOLATE


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~   ~






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Way OT: A Favor

[Roger Wright]

My nephew is teaching English in Wuhan, China and his school is having
an online popularity contest.  He has requested help elevating his vote
count (currently in fourth place).

 

If you get a chance, please click on the button below Jason's photo:

http://poll.myndi.cn/Vote1.aspx?candidateId=16&type=teacherF

 

Thanks... He'll appreciate the help.

 

 

 

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

  

 

_

 

 

"I am certain there is too much certainty in the world." - Michael
Crichton 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<>

Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Eric Brouwer]

See, I am a PC and a Mac.  I defend Microsoft constantly when people  
bash them for everything.  I like all the PCs I've ever had.  Never  
had a bad one, nor a bad Windows installation.  Windows just works for  
me I guess.

This is the first time I defended Mac.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:16 AM, James Rankin wrote:

> Guess we are all Mac or PC then. kinda like Elvis or Beatles.  
> Schwarzenegger or Stallone. Newcastle or Sunderland. On and on it  
> can go.
>
> Or it's like girlfriends. I think mine is great, but only because I  
> have had time to explore her feature set and ignore all her little  
> foibles. other people's mileage would probably vary  :-)
>
> 2008/12/18 TJ 
> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and  
> Illustrator at the same time makes ME feel like it's more  
> optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all  
> times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility apps, a chat  
> program, etc
>
> What are you talking about?  I do this NOW!  On a PC, circa 2001, 2G  
> of RAM and I see no major problems at all!   Really.  I am not  
> understanding this.
>
> I'll tell you my experience with a friend at a Mac Store  This  
> is a mid-40's year old business man who runs a very successful  
> business - he's no dope.   He walks over to a Mac and begins going  
> through the menus, the programs, opens up apps and clicks around a  
> lot - keeps saying "isnt this cool?" and I just let him go on and  
> on.  I probably heard "isnt this cool" about 1/2 dozen times before  
> I looked at him and asked "isnt WHAT cool?   What EXACTLY is cool  
> John?"  and with that, he looked at me and said "forget it.  you're  
> just dont understand".
>
> Well, he's right!  I DO NOT understand.   If I did that with my PC,  
> he'd think I was psycho or something.
>
> This is what I dont get.  The machines are the same.  The hardware  
> is the same.  The components are the same.  The MEMORY is the same.
>
> Ah, forget it.  I've got work to do.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Eric Brouwer   
> wrote:
> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and  
> Illustrator at the same time makes ME feel like it's more  
> optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all  
> times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility apps, a chat  
> program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a slight hesitation  
> in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS together on  
> my PC.
>
> I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and  
> WITH PCs.  For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM  
> ThinkPad running Vista.  I even defend Vista.  I don't have a  
> fraction of the problems the masses like to report.  It's a decent  
> OS, in MY opinion.
>
> BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside,  
> yes, I do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you  
> want me to say it, I'll say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my  
> Windows experience because of it's performance.
>
> How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate  
> than the statement that they're simply generic white boxes?
>
> And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I  
> could have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in  
> the past.
>
> On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
>
>> OK – let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs  
>> RDF, then Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s  
>> and 0s around any faster than other electronic devices. They use  
>> the same graphics cards, hard drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs  
>> and chipsets and so on that are available in every other brand. The  
>> design might be good, but I don't see what they have over similarly  
>> priced competitors (even Dell's getting into decently looking  
>> hardware these days).
>>
>> So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find  
>> "optimised"? I have two Macs here at home (just for my own use),  
>> and plenty of others I come into contact with. I can't say I've  
>> seen anything spectacular about them (except that I need to install  
>> 100MB of updates each month).
>>
>> There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works – it suits  
>> the way I think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically  
>> gets more Hz out of a CPU...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
>>
>> I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I  
>> was forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one  
>> of my own.  I admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and  
>> black magic going on in the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I  
>> can run far more apps with better response on a Mac of "lesser" raw  
>> tech specs 

Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[TJ]

>
> There is definitely an "image" aspect to the machines.  If you have a
>> clunky boring PC, you'll likely hide it somewhere in your den or home
>> office, but if you have a Mac, its possibly not unusual to place it in a
>> location in your house where you don't mind if a visiting guest sees your
>> computer desk or not.
>
>
You definitely have a point with that.  They do have nice looking machines.
Their packaging is 5-star.  They have extremely good eye-candy and I wont
say that that's where it ends...  the machines do work, I am not trying to
say they dont..Heck, I go into an Apple Store whenever I pass by one.
Why?  Because they have nice looking stuff, their stores are always friendly
and I do wish I could afford one - but the store is the only place I seem to
be able to afford one.

Look, my wife is an artist and photographer and even she wont justify the
costs.  She can do anything she needs to on her old single-core PC, circa
2005.   It just doesnt make financial sense to care about the "image", is
what I am trying to say - though you're point about the "image" is dead on
target.  And so there is a limited market for that image.

Until they realize there are potentially millions of "me's" out here,
they're always going to be that low market share, nice looking product
company.  But, maybe they want it that way.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Holstrom, Don]

I took two Macs and ran them at home and at the office for a full year.
Cool machines, ran both Mac and PC software on both. Still needed
Outlook, no matter what I used, and I have/had full programs for both.
Cute, but no cigar. Quit. Still have six Macs here at the Museum, but
for those four which can, I run Windows so they can get the full
Outlook. The two others must use OWA...   

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

 

Guess we are all Mac or PC then. kinda like Elvis or Beatles.
Schwarzenegger or Stallone. Newcastle or Sunderland. On and on it can
go.

Or it's like girlfriends. I think mine is great, but only because I have
had time to explore her feature set and ignore all her little foibles.
other people's mileage would probably vary  :-)

2008/12/18 TJ 

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and
Illustrator at the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I
can also run Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail
client, my FTP client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc

 

What are you talking about?  I do this NOW!  On a PC, circa 2001, 2G of
RAM and I see no major problems at all!   Really.  I am not
understanding this.

 

I'll tell you my experience with a friend at a Mac Store  This is a
mid-40's year old business man who runs a very successful business -
he's no dope.   He walks over to a Mac and begins going through the
menus, the programs, opens up apps and clicks around a lot - keeps
saying "isnt this cool?" and I just let him go on and on.  I probably
heard "isnt this cool" about 1/2 dozen times before I looked at him and
asked "isnt WHAT cool?   What EXACTLY is cool John?"  and with that, he
looked at me and said "forget it.  you're just dont understand".

 

Well, he's right!  I DO NOT understand.   If I did that with my PC, he'd
think I was psycho or something.

 

This is what I dont get.  The machines are the same.  The hardware is
the same.  The components are the same.  The MEMORY is the same.  

 

Ah, forget it.  I've got work to do.


 

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Eric Brouwer 
wrote:

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator
at the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run
Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP
client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.
Never even a slight hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely
run DW and PS together on my PC. 

 

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH
PCs.  For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running
Vista.  I even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems
the masses like to report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

 

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes,
I do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to
say it, I'll say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows
experience because of it's performance.

 

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than
the statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

 

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could
have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.

 

On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:





OK - let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs RDF,
then Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s and 0s
around any faster than other electronic devices. They use the same
graphics cards, hard drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs and chipsets and
so on that are available in every other brand. The design might be good,
but I don't see what they have over similarly priced competitors (even
Dell's getting into decently looking hardware these days).

 

So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find
"optimised"? I have two Macs here at home (just for my own use), and
plenty of others I come into contact with. I can't say I've seen
anything spectacular about them (except that I need to install 100MB of
updates each month).

 

There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works - it suits the
way I think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically gets more
Hz out of a CPU...

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

 

I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I was
forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one of my
own.  I admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and black magic
going on in the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I can run far more
apps with better response on a Mac of "lesser" raw tech specs than I 

Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[James Rankin]

Guess we are all Mac or PC then. kinda like Elvis or Beatles. Schwarzenegger
or Stallone. Newcastle or Sunderland. On and on it can go.

Or it's like girlfriends. I think mine is great, but only because I have had
time to explore her feature set and ignore all her little foibles. other
people's mileage would probably vary  :-)

2008/12/18 TJ 

> *
>>
>> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at
>> the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run
>> Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP
>> client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc
>
> *
>
> What are you talking about?  I do this NOW!  On a PC, circa 2001, 2G of RAM
> and I see no major problems at all!   Really.  I am not understanding this.
>
> I'll tell you my experience with a friend at a Mac Store  This is a
> mid-40's year old business man who runs a very successful business - he's no
> dope.   He walks over to a Mac and begins going through the menus, the
> programs, opens up apps and clicks around a lot - keeps saying "isnt this
> cool?" and I just let him go on and on.  I probably heard "isnt this cool"
> about 1/2 dozen times before I looked at him and asked "isnt WHAT cool?
> What EXACTLY is cool John?"  and with that, he looked at me and said "forget
> it.  you're just dont understand".
>
> Well, he's right!  I DO NOT understand.   If I did that with my PC, he'd
> think I was psycho or something.
>
> This is what I dont get.  The machines are the same.  The hardware is the
> same.  The components are the same.  The MEMORY is the same.
>
> Ah, forget it.  I've got work to do.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Eric Brouwer wrote:
>
>> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at
>> the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run
>> Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP
>> client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.
>>  Never even a slight hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely
>> run DW and PS together on my PC.
>> I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH
>> PCs.  For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running
>> Vista.  I even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the
>> masses like to report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.
>>
>> BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, I
>> do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it,
>> I'll say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because
>> of it's performance.
>>
>> How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the
>> statement that they're simply generic white boxes?
>>
>> And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could
>> have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.
>>
>>  On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
>>
>>   OK – let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs RDF,
>> then Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s and 0s around
>> any faster than other electronic devices. They use the same graphics cards,
>> hard drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs and chipsets and so on that are
>> available in every other brand. The design might be good, but I don't see
>> what they have over similarly priced competitors (even Dell's getting into
>> decently looking hardware these days).
>>
>> So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find
>> "optimised"? I have two Macs here at home (just for my own use), and plenty
>> of others I come into contact with. I can't say I've seen anything
>> spectacular about them (except that I need to install 100MB of updates each
>> month).
>>
>> There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works – it suits the way
>> I think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically gets more Hz out of
>> a CPU...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ken
>>
>>   *From:* Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com
>> ]
>> *Sent:* Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
>>
>> I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I was
>> forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one of my own.  I
>> admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and black magic going on in
>> the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I can run far more apps with better
>> response on a Mac of "lesser" raw tech specs than I can on any PC.
>>
>>  Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix
>> based computer as I don't have the experience.  Also, my experience with
>> Macs is their G5 and Power Books, not the Macbook, mini, nor iMac.  Far more
>> expensive, to be sure, but a much better all around experience for me.
>>
>>  So yes, in my experience, the Macs are very optimized IMHO.  They just
>> seem mu

Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Phillip Partipilo]

There is definitely an "image" aspect to the machines.  If you have a  
clunky boring PC, you'll likely hide it somewhere in your den or home  
office, but if you have a Mac, its possibly not unusual to place it in  
a location in your house where you don't mind if a visiting guest sees  
your computer desk or not.


On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:05 AM, TJ wrote:

> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and  
> Illustrator at the same time makes ME feel like it's more  
> optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all  
> times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility apps, a chat  
> program, etc
>
> What are you talking about?  I do this NOW!  On a PC, circa 2001, 2G  
> of RAM and I see no major problems at all!   Really.  I am not  
> understanding this.
>
> I'll tell you my experience with a friend at a Mac Store  This  
> is a mid-40's year old business man who runs a very successful  
> business - he's no dope.   He walks over to a Mac and begins going  
> through the menus, the programs, opens up apps and clicks around a  
> lot - keeps saying "isnt this cool?" and I just let him go on and  
> on.  I probably heard "isnt this cool" about 1/2 dozen times before  
> I looked at him and asked "isnt WHAT cool?   What EXACTLY is cool  
> John?"  and with that, he looked at me and said "forget it.  you're  
> just dont understand".
>
> Well, he's right!  I DO NOT understand.   If I did that with my PC,  
> he'd think I was psycho or something.
>
> This is what I dont get.  The machines are the same.  The hardware  
> is the same.  The components are the same.  The MEMORY is the same.
>
> Ah, forget it.  I've got work to do.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Eric Brouwer   
> wrote:
> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and  
> Illustrator at the same time makes ME feel like it's more  
> optimized.  I can also run Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all  
> times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility apps, a chat  
> program, etc.  All at the same time.  Never even a slight hesitation  
> in performance of any kind.  I can barely run DW and PS together on  
> my PC.
>
> I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and  
> WITH PCs.  For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM  
> ThinkPad running Vista.  I even defend Vista.  I don't have a  
> fraction of the problems the masses like to report.  It's a decent  
> OS, in MY opinion.
>
> BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside,  
> yes, I do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you  
> want me to say it, I'll say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my  
> Windows experience because of it's performance.
>
> How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate  
> than the statement that they're simply generic white boxes?
>
> And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I  
> could have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in  
> the past.
>
> On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
>
>> OK – let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs  
>> RDF, then Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s  
>> and 0s around any faster than other electronic devices. They use  
>> the same graphics cards, hard drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs  
>> and chipsets and so on that are available in every other brand. The  
>> design might be good, but I don't see what they have over similarly  
>> priced competitors (even Dell's getting into decently looking  
>> hardware these days).
>>
>> So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find  
>> "optimised"? I have two Macs here at home (just for my own use),  
>> and plenty of others I come into contact with. I can't say I've  
>> seen anything spectacular about them (except that I need to install  
>> 100MB of updates each month).
>>
>> There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works – it suits  
>> the way I think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically  
>> gets more Hz out of a CPU...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
>>
>> I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I  
>> was forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one  
>> of my own.  I admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and  
>> black magic going on in the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I  
>> can run far more apps with better response on a Mac of "lesser" raw  
>> tech specs than I can on any PC.
>>
>> Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix based  
>> computer as I don't have the experience.  Also, my experience with  
>> Macs is their G5 and Power Books, not the Macbook, mini, nor iMac.   
>> Far more expensive, to be sure, but a much better all around  
>> experience for me

Re: security message when moving folders

[James Rankin]

Does this have something to do with the settings for the local intranet zone
- are they moving from network locations that Explorer thinks are outside
the local intranet zone, or not added to the Trusted Sites list? If they are
on a location that is mapped via IP, then Windows tends to think they are
internet zones instead. I would definitely try adding the locations to
trusted sites.

2008/12/18 

> Hi
> I have several users who get this message when moving files and folders
> This page has an unspecified potential security flaw. Would you like to
> continue?
> They click yes and everything works, but how can I get it to stop giving
> the message? I believe it has something to do with IE
>
> TIA
>
> .
> .
> SAVE THE EARTH..
> IT'S THE ONLY PLANET WITH CHOCOLATE
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"

[James Rankin]

I think I will bash the workaround straight onto my Citrix farm then

2008/12/18 Alex Eckelberry 

>  Incidentally, there's still a zero day out there with Wordpad.
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10120546-83.html
>
>
> Doesn't affect Wserver 2008, Vista or XP SP3 but still worth keeping in
> mind if you have machines that aren't up to the latest grade.
>
> Alex
>
>
>  --
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:10 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>
> I forgot to mention that the *net view* command will only work well if,
> like mine, all your machines are devoid of comments in the computer name
>
> 2008/12/17 James Rankin 
>
>> I just keep a text file with all my server names in and hit it with a *for
>> /f %a in (servernames.txt) do psexec \\%a wuauclt /detectnow*
>>
>> You can mix and match as much as you want, ideal for *gpupdate /force*,
>> copy commands,* ipconfig /flushdns*, anything you need
>>
>> If there is any need to grab machine names from the network, I generally
>> use *net view|find "\\" *to pipe them in
>>
>> for /f "tokens=1 delims=\" %a in ('net view^|find "\\"') do psexec \\%a *your
>> command here*
>>
>> Pretty clunky, but effective
>>
>>  2008/12/17 David Lum 
>>
>>>  Excel is your friend. I have run WUAUCLT /DETECTNOW on 300 systems – I
>>> created 6 batch files of 50 machines each and let 'er rip. Works great.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Lum
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason Morris [mailto:jmor...@mjmc.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:44 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My experience with PSEXEC is that it doesn't like to have multiple
>>> commands pasted in. I work them individually, but it's usually in small
>>> batches of users so it's not bad. I connect to the computer to run cmd.exe
>>> then do my stuff from there one command at a time. I even made a batch file
>>> to make it easier…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Psexecsys.bat 10.1.1.1 jmorris "My Password"
>>>
>>> Psexec \\%1 –u domain\%2  -p %3 cmd.exe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then I do my things from there one at a time. I've tried to run batch
>>> files from that cmd prompt but had very poor luck. If you do find a way to
>>> do it, that would be nice.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:35 PM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a psexec batch file to pass psexec a list of systems
>>> (from a text file, perhaps) for it to remotely run WUAUCLT on said systems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean Rector, MCSE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:17 PM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just got this… patch is supposed to be released out of band tomorrow…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-dec.mspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Bonnie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:12 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://isc.sans.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/961051.mspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Bonnie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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security message when moving folders

[Bambi . J . Saastad]

Hi
I have several users who get this message when moving files and folders
This page has an unspecified potential security flaw. Would you like to
continue?
They click yes and everything works, but how can I get it to stop giving
the message? I believe it has something to do with IE

TIA

.
.
SAVE THE EARTH..
IT'S THE ONLY PLANET WITH CHOCOLATE


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[TJ]

*
>
> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at
> the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run
> Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP
> client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc

*

What are you talking about?  I do this NOW!  On a PC, circa 2001, 2G of RAM
and I see no major problems at all!   Really.  I am not understanding this.

I'll tell you my experience with a friend at a Mac Store  This is a
mid-40's year old business man who runs a very successful business - he's no
dope.   He walks over to a Mac and begins going through the menus, the
programs, opens up apps and clicks around a lot - keeps saying "isnt this
cool?" and I just let him go on and on.  I probably heard "isnt this cool"
about 1/2 dozen times before I looked at him and asked "isnt WHAT cool?
What EXACTLY is cool John?"  and with that, he looked at me and said "forget
it.  you're just dont understand".

Well, he's right!  I DO NOT understand.   If I did that with my PC, he'd
think I was psycho or something.

This is what I dont get.  The machines are the same.  The hardware is the
same.  The components are the same.  The MEMORY is the same.

Ah, forget it.  I've got work to do.


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Eric Brouwer  wrote:

> The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at
> the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also run
> Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP
> client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same time.
>  Never even a slight hesitation in performance of any kind.  I can barely
> run DW and PS together on my PC.
> I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH PCs.
>  For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista.
>  I even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses
> like to report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.
>
> BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside, yes, I
> do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want me to say it,
> I'll say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because
> of it's performance.
>
> How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the
> statement that they're simply generic white boxes?
>
> And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I could
> have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past.
>
>  On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
>
>   OK – let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs RDF,
> then Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s and 0s around
> any faster than other electronic devices. They use the same graphics cards,
> hard drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs and chipsets and so on that are
> available in every other brand. The design might be good, but I don't see
> what they have over similarly priced competitors (even Dell's getting into
> decently looking hardware these days).
>
> So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find "optimised"?
> I have two Macs here at home (just for my own use), and plenty of others I
> come into contact with. I can't say I've seen anything spectacular about
> them (except that I need to install 100MB of updates each month).
>
> There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works – it suits the way
> I think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically gets more Hz out of
> a CPU...
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
>   *From:* Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com 
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
>
> I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I was
> forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one of my own.  I
> admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and black magic going on in
> the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I can run far more apps with better
> response on a Mac of "lesser" raw tech specs than I can on any PC.
>
>  Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix
> based computer as I don't have the experience.  Also, my experience with
> Macs is their G5 and Power Books, not the Macbook, mini, nor iMac.  Far more
> expensive, to be sure, but a much better all around experience for me.
>
>  So yes, in my experience, the Macs are very optimized IMHO.  They just
> seem much more dialed in out of the box.
>
>  On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
>
>
>   Huh? I haven't noticed anything particularly optimised about the two
> Macs (one Macbook and one Mac Mini) I have at home, that I can't get in
> other brands...
>
>  Cheers
>  Ken
>
>   *From:* Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com 
> ]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 18 December 2008 5:02 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard O

Allow the Computer to turn off this device to save power registry setting for USB

[Michael Ross]

Does anyone know a registry key to employ to turn OFF this setting for USB
root hubs? Its causing some of my workstations to hang at "windows is
shutting down" after a WSUS reboot request late at night, and thus not
getting all patches they should be getting.



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"

[Alex Eckelberry]

Incidentally, there's still a zero day out there with Wordpad.  
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10120546-83.html
 
 
Doesn't affect Wserver 2008, Vista or XP SP3 but still worth keeping in
mind if you have machines that aren't up to the latest grade. 
 
Alex
 



From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"


I forgot to mention that the net view command will only work well if,
like mine, all your machines are devoid of comments in the computer name


2008/12/17 James Rankin 


I just keep a text file with all my server names in and hit it
with a for /f %a in (servernames.txt) do psexec \\%a wuauclt /detectnow

You can mix and match as much as you want, ideal for gpupdate
/force, copy commands, ipconfig /flushdns, anything you need

If there is any need to grab machine names from the network, I
generally use net view|find "\\" to pipe them in

for /f "tokens=1 delims=\" %a in ('net view^|find "\\"') do
psexec \\%a your command here

Pretty clunky, but effective


2008/12/17 David Lum 


Excel is your friend. I have run WUAUCLT /DETECTNOW on
300 systems - I created 6 batch files of 50 machines each and let 'er
rip. Works great.

 

David Lum





From: Jason Morris [mailto:jmor...@mjmc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:44 PM 

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"


 

My experience with PSEXEC is that it doesn't like to
have multiple commands pasted in. I work them individually, but it's
usually in small batches of users so it's not bad. I connect to the
computer to run cmd.exe then do my stuff from there one command at a
time. I even made a batch file to make it easier...

 

Psexecsys.bat 10.1.1.1 jmorris "My Password"

Psexec \\%1 -u domain\%2  -p %3 cmd.exe

 

Then I do my things from there one at a time. I've tried
to run batch files from that cmd prompt but had very poor luck. If you
do find a way to do it, that would be nice.

Good luck!

Jason

 

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"

 

Does anyone have a psexec batch file to pass psexec a
list of systems (from a text file, perhaps) for it to remotely run
WUAUCLT on said systems?

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Miller Bonnie L.
[mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"

 

Just got this... patch is supposed to be released out of
band tomorrow...

 


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-dec.mspx

 

-Bonnie

 

From: Miller Bonnie L.
[mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"

 

http://isc.sans.org/

 


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/961051.mspx

 

-Bonnie

 

 

 

 

 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org
 
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Eric Brouwer]

The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator  
at the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized.  I can also  
run Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my  
FTP client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc.  All at the same  
time.  Never even a slight hesitation in performance of any kind.  I  
can barely run DW and PS together on my PC.

I LIKE PCs.  Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH  
PCs.  For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad  
running Vista.  I even defend Vista.  I don't have a fraction of the  
problems the masses like to report.  It's a decent OS, in MY opinion.

BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more.  Physics aside,  
yes, I do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster.  If you want  
me to say it, I'll say it.  I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows  
experience because of it's performance.

How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than  
the statement that they're simply generic white boxes?

And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates.  I  
could have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the  
past.

On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:

> OK – let’s get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs  
> RDF, then Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don’t move 1s  
> and 0s around any faster than other electronic devices. They use the  
> same graphics cards, hard drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs and  
> chipsets and so on that are available in every other brand. The  
> design might be good, but I don’t see what they have over similarly  
> priced competitors (even Dell’s getting into decently looking  
> hardware these days).
>
> So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find  
> “optimised”? I have two Macs here at home (just for my own use), and  
> plenty of others I come into contact with. I can’t say I’ve seen  
> anything spectacular about them (except that I need to install 100MB  
> of updates each month).
>
> There’s one thing to say “I prefer the way the OS works – it suits  
> the way I think”. It’s another thing to say that an OS magically  
> gets more Hz out of a CPU...
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
> Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
>
> I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I  
> was forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one  
> of my own.  I admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and  
> black magic going on in the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I  
> can run far more apps with better response on a Mac of "lesser" raw  
> tech specs than I can on any PC.
>
> Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix based  
> computer as I don't have the experience.  Also, my experience with  
> Macs is their G5 and Power Books, not the Macbook, mini, nor iMac.   
> Far more expensive, to be sure, but a much better all around  
> experience for me.
>
> So yes, in my experience, the Macs are very optimized IMHO.  They  
> just seem much more dialed in out of the box.
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
>
>
> Huh? I haven’t noticed anything particularly optimised about the two  
> Macs (one Macbook and one Mac Mini) I have at home, that I can’t get  
> in other brands...
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 5:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
>
> Agreed.  Apple's are FAR from generic white boxes.  They are HIGHLY  
> optimized, extremely efficient architectures.
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>
>
> It's not whitebox, it's branded, that brand is Apple.  When I  
> purched my MBPro, I spec'ed similary equipped notebooks from HP,  
> Dell and Lenovo.  Apple was more expensive than some, less than  
> others, and I had the option of running a true UNIX as was mentioned  
> earlier.
>
> Apple is a Tier 1 manufacturer just as HP, Dell and Lenovo are.
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM,  wrote:
>
> "Joseph L. Casale"  wrote on 12/17/2008  
> 11:13:17 AM:
>
>
> > >Yes, but Apple is all about total control - if you limit the OS to
> > only running hardware you produce, then you absolutely know that it
> > is *guaranteed* to work with any hardware your customer owns, and >
> > you can spend your software time and resources in other directions,
> > rather than finding ways to make it run on any hardware ever
> > invented (which is part of MS's problem).
> > >
> > >That's the theory, as I see it, anyway.
>
> > This was exactly my point in the old justification towards the
> > expense of the platform.
> Sorry; I haven't been following the whole thread ...
>
> > Now its whitebox intel run-of-the mill stuff? Doe

Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[TJ]

>
> *It's been like this for 20 years. It apparently hasn't slowed them down
> too much. J*


It hasnt done much for their market share either.   They seem to be content
with near total control of the entire hardware/software thing - and thats
fine.  I am gald no one puts a gun to my head and forces me to buy one.  I
love my iPhone but I refuse to get a Mac just to develop software for their
App Store.  So, they lose - in my eyes.

I am probably one of a lot of folks who wont purchase an overpriced Apple
PC, because they refuse to allow clones, when I can get 2 to 3 of the same
spec'd hardware and run Windows on it.   When the day comes that Apple
realizes that with all the outsourcing our jobs to cheaper labor elsewhere
in the world and the horrible economy for those who still do have a job -
and folks just dont have the money to buy high priced items anymore - they
might create a VM that can be loaded on a Wondows machine and they gain
access to millions of developers who would otherwise ignore them - as I am
and will.

They may be "doing well" but in my book, its horrible business.  Get your
product into the hands of as many as possible and stop acting as if its some
elite thing, like something overpriced that you bought at Sharper Image.
Is it no wonder they failed?   Watch Apples stock in the next coming
months.  I wouldnt get into that stock until its comes back to earth,
probably in the 20s-30s per share.

Apple is cool but they're going to see some very rough times coming very
soon.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Ken Schaefer]

OK - let's get back to basics here. Unless you believe in the Jobs RDF, then 
Macs still obey basic laws of physics. They don't move 1s and 0s around any 
faster than other electronic devices. They use the same graphics cards, hard 
drives, memory, LCD displays, CPUs and chipsets and so on that are available in 
every other brand. The design might be good, but I don't see what they have 
over similarly priced competitors (even Dell's getting into decently looking 
hardware these days).

So, please explain, in some more detail, what exactly you find "optimised"? I 
have two Macs here at home (just for my own use), and plenty of others I come 
into contact with. I can't say I've seen anything spectacular about them 
(except that I need to install 100MB of updates each month).

There's one thing to say "I prefer the way the OS works - it suits the way I 
think". It's another thing to say that an OS magically gets more Hz out of a 
CPU...

Cheers
Ken

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I was forced to 
work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one of my own.  I admit, there 
still seems to be a lot of voodoo and black magic going on in the Macs, but 
they run amazingly well.  I can run far more apps with better response on a Mac 
of "lesser" raw tech specs than I can on any PC.

Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix based computer as I 
don't have the experience.  Also, my experience with Macs is their G5 and Power 
Books, not the Macbook, mini, nor iMac.  Far more expensive, to be sure, but a 
much better all around experience for me.

So yes, in my experience, the Macs are very optimized IMHO.  They just seem 
much more dialed in out of the box.

On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:


Huh? I haven't noticed anything particularly optimised about the two Macs (one 
Macbook and one Mac Mini) I have at home, that I can't get in other brands...

Cheers
Ken

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 5:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

Agreed.  Apple's are FAR from generic white boxes.  They are HIGHLY optimized, 
extremely efficient architectures.

On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:



It's not whitebox, it's branded, that brand is Apple.  When I purched my MBPro, 
I spec'ed similary equipped notebooks from HP, Dell and Lenovo.  Apple was more 
expensive than some, less than others, and I had the option of running a true 
UNIX as was mentioned earlier.

Apple is a Tier 1 manufacturer just as HP, Dell and Lenovo are.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM, 
mailto:michael.le...@pha.phila.gov>> wrote:

"Joseph L. Casale" 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote on 
12/17/2008 11:13:17 AM:


> >Yes, but Apple is all about total control - if you limit the OS to
> only running hardware you produce, then you absolutely know that it
> is *guaranteed* to work with any hardware your customer owns, and >
> you can spend your software time and resources in other directions,
> rather than finding ways to make it run on any hardware ever
> invented (which is part of MS's problem).
> >
> >That's the theory, as I see it, anyway.

> This was exactly my point in the old justification towards the
> expense of the platform.
Sorry; I haven't been following the whole thread ...

> Now its whitebox intel run-of-the mill stuff? Does this _still_ apply?
It does if they say so. :-)









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Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?

[Eric Brouwer]

I was a COMPLETE anti-Mac zealot up to June of this year.  Then I was  
forced to work on them at my new job.  Now I'm begging for one of my  
own.  I admit, there still seems to be a lot of voodoo and black magic  
going on in the Macs, but they run amazingly well.  I can run far more  
apps with better response on a Mac of "lesser" raw tech specs than I  
can on any PC.

Granted, I can't speak about the mac performance vs. a *nix based  
computer as I don't have the experience.  Also, my experience with  
Macs is their G5 and Power Books, not the Macbook, mini, nor iMac.   
Far more expensive, to be sure, but a much better all around  
experience for me.

So yes, in my experience, the Macs are very optimized IMHO.  They just  
seem much more dialed in out of the box.

On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:

> Huh? I haven’t noticed anything particularly optimised about the two  
> Macs (one Macbook and one Mac Mini) I have at home, that I can’t get  
> in other brands...
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 5:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC?
>
> Agreed.  Apple's are FAR from generic white boxes.  They are HIGHLY  
> optimized, extremely efficient architectures.
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>
> It's not whitebox, it's branded, that brand is Apple.  When I  
> purched my MBPro, I spec'ed similary equipped notebooks from HP,  
> Dell and Lenovo.  Apple was more expensive than some, less than  
> others, and I had the option of running a true UNIX as was mentioned  
> earlier.
>
> Apple is a Tier 1 manufacturer just as HP, Dell and Lenovo are.
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM,  wrote:
>
> "Joseph L. Casale"  wrote on 12/17/2008  
> 11:13:17 AM:
>
>
> > >Yes, but Apple is all about total control - if you limit the OS to
> > only running hardware you produce, then you absolutely know that it
> > is *guaranteed* to work with any hardware your customer owns, and >
> > you can spend your software time and resources in other directions,
> > rather than finding ways to make it run on any hardware ever
> > invented (which is part of MS's problem).
> > >
> > >That's the theory, as I see it, anyway.
>
> > This was exactly my point in the old justification towards the
> > expense of the platform.
> Sorry; I haven't been following the whole thread ...
>
> > Now its whitebox intel run-of-the mill stuff? Does this _still_  
> apply?
> It does if they say so. :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>


Eric Brouwer
IT Manager
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248.855.4333





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RE: Odd exchange email delay

[Ames Matthew B]

Did both messages hit your SMTP gateway at the same time?  I would have
imagined for what ever reason the delay would have been outside.  ie.
when the person sends the message, would their mail server not have
generate two emails (one for each of your users).  These messages then
travel over the internet to your mail server, which then accepts them
and delivers them in a timely fashion to the appropiate users mail box.
 
I would have a look at the message headers of the message which was
delayed by 8 hours and see if the delay occured before or after it hit
your network.



From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 18 December 2008 09:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Odd exchange email delay


Hi,
 
I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened
yesterday that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.
 
An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally.
both the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered
instantly to one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about
8 hours before it then got submitted. A copy of the message history is
here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.
 
Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?
 
Gavin.

 

 


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Odd exchange email delay

[Gavin Wilby]

Hi,

I have a SBS2003 with Exchange 2003 SP2. A really odd thing hsappened
yesterday that I can neither see a reason for nor explain.

An external person sent an email to the domain to two users internally. both
the users have external email addresses. The email was delivered instantly
to one of the users,  but the second one was delayed for about 8 hours
before it then got submitted. A copy of the message history is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gavsta/3117225265/sizes/o.

Can anyone tell me why this might have happened?

Gavin.

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Re: FYI the IE Patch has been released and posted

[James Rankin]

A patch-tastic Xmas for everyone then. Where's my WSUS console?

2008/12/17 Roger Wright 

>  Got 'em!  Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Evatone, Inc.
>
> 727.572.7076  x388
>
> _
>
>
>
> *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* FYI the IE Patch has been released and posted
>
>
>
> Online, and avail to wsus.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:10 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>
> I forgot to mention that the *net view* command will only work well if,
> like mine, all your machines are devoid of comments in the computer name
>
> 2008/12/17 James Rankin 
>
> I just keep a text file with all my server names in and hit it with a *for
> /f %a in (servernames.txt) do psexec \\%a wuauclt /detectnow*
>
> You can mix and match as much as you want, ideal for *gpupdate /force*,
> copy commands,* ipconfig /flushdns*, anything you need
>
> If there is any need to grab machine names from the network, I generally
> use *net view|find "\\" *to pipe them in
>
> for /f "tokens=1 delims=\" %a in ('net view^|find "\\"') do psexec \\%a *your
> command here*
>
> Pretty clunky, but effective
>
> 2008/12/17 David Lum 
>
>  Excel is your friend. I have run WUAUCLT /DETECTNOW on 300 systems – I
> created 6 batch files of 50 machines each and let 'er rip. Works great.
>
>
>
> David Lum
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> *From:* Jason Morris [mailto:jmor...@mjmc.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:44 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>
>
>
> My experience with PSEXEC is that it doesn't like to have multiple commands
> pasted in. I work them individually, but it's usually in small batches of
> users so it's not bad. I connect to the computer to run cmd.exe then do my
> stuff from there one command at a time. I even made a batch file to make it
> easier…
>
>
>
> Psexecsys.bat 10.1.1.1 jmorris "My Password"
>
> Psexec \\%1 –u domain\%2  -p %3 cmd.exe
>
>
>
> Then I do my things from there one at a time. I've tried to run batch files
> from that cmd prompt but had very poor luck. If you do find a way to do it,
> that would be nice.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:35 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a psexec batch file to pass psexec a list of systems (from
> a text file, perhaps) for it to remotely run WUAUCLT on said systems?
>
>
>
> Sean Rector, MCSE
>
>
>
> *From:* Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:17 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>
>
>
> Just got this… patch is supposed to be released out of band tomorrow…
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-dec.mspx
>
>
>
> -Bonnie
>
>
>
> *From:* Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:12 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* 0-day IE Exploit "in the wild"
>
>
>
> http://isc.sans.org/
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/961051.mspx
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