Re: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Burian, Matthew J. (mjb)]

I really like the patch cables from this company:
http://www.callcct.com/Networking-Products

 They are molded and very easy
to work with.  Excellent prices as well.

Matt

*Matthew J. Burian*
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

> What’s your preference?
>
>
>
> Snagless?
>
> Molded or assembled? (Crimped)
>
>
>
> Just curious :)
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Re: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Jim McAtee]

Non-snagless.  Much easier to work with.  I cut the tab covering off with 
a utility knife if I can't find non-snagless.


And definitely manufactured rather than self-made.  Most of the molded 
plugs are a combination of stress-relief, which is fine, and the snagless 
covering.  I haven't seen too many non-snagless patch cords with molded 
ends.



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Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels



What's your preference?



Snagless?

Molded or assembled? (Crimped) 



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RE: AD and firewall ports

[David Lum]

Look up what it takes to put a Windows RDS gateway (was Terminal Server) server 
in a DMZ and you’ll have the info you need. Also FYI Microsoft recommends 100 
ports and I wouldn’t drop below that unless you’ve monitored over a fair span 
of time and were certain. Also, we opened that range of ports to ONLY the DC’s.

There is a reg change you can use to force the use of a specific range of ports 
for AD communication – I did exactly this and it works well.

Dave

From: joseph palmieri [mailto:jpalm...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD and firewall ports


Need assistance with firewall ports and active directory our server admin 
submitted a change request to open over 1000 port to support AD. The change was 
denied and resubmitted requesting a minimum of 100 ports to support RPC 
communications to a member server within our DMZ. Our firewall engineers stated 
while monitoring the firewall only 20 ports were communicated over and 100 
ports are not needed.

Has anyone had experience with this issue and can provide some clarity…are the 
server admin looking for an easy way out by requesting all these ports?



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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Ken Schaefer]

I think there are too many variables here.

How many apps need to be installed? If it's 1 or 2, then there's <15 minutes 
there. If it's 50, then you could be there for hours. Do any of these apps 
require manual intervention to install (e.g. calling up a vendor to get an 
unlock key would be an extreme example)

How much data needs to be migrated? If it's <1GB, not very long. If it's 20GB 
of files, then it's going to take about 20x the time.

How much validation do you need to do that the job was done successfully? Does 
the end-user need to sign-off on this, or do you have some automated way of 
knowing that everything was completed successfully?

Are you going to have enough network ports etc to have both the old machine and 
new machine plugged in? Or if that not required?

Data encryption would be an issue if it were being used, but I'm going to 
assume that it isn't.

Cheers
Ken

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 6:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something like 
this?

Unpack, inventory new hardware
Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
Point to correct network printer
Configure Outlook/PST
Box up old PC


TIA,

Sam



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RE: AD and firewall ports

[Charlie Kaiser]

Check out these articles. It is possible to limit open ports but as with 
anything, test, test test...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb125069(EXCHG.65).aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbID=224196


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> -Original Message-
> From: joseph palmieri [mailto:jpalm...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: AD and firewall ports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Need assistance with firewall ports and active directory our server admin 
> submitted a
> change request to open over 1000 port to support AD. The change was denied and
> resubmitted requesting a minimum of 100 ports to support RPC communications 
> to a
> member server within our DMZ. Our firewall engineers stated while monitoring 
> the firewall
> only 20 ports were communicated over and 100 ports are not needed.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone had experience with this issue and can provide some clarity…are 
> the server
> admin looking for an easy way out by requesting all these ports?
> 
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AD and firewall ports

[joseph palmieri]

Need assistance with firewall ports and active directory our server admin 
submitted a change request to open over 1000 port to support AD. The change was 
denied and resubmitted requesting a minimum of 100 ports to support RPC 
communications to a member server within our DMZ. Our firewall engineers stated 
while monitoring the firewall only 20 ports were communicated over and 100 
ports are not needed.
 
Has anyone had experience with this issue and can provide some clarity…are the 
server admin looking for an easy way out by requesting all these ports?


  
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Re: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Matthew W. Ross]

I could care less if it was snagless or not.

When doing a big job, pre-made molded are always nice. It does take a long time 
to make 24 patch cables! But usually, when I'm just doing one or two... I make 
my own. Depending on the situation, a custom length cable can keep your wires 
very tidy. Not to say I'm very tidy... Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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From: Sam Cayze
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To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 05 Jan 2011
14:49:04 -0800
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels


> What's your preference?  
> 
>  
> 
> Snagless? 
> 
> Molded or assembled? (Crimped)
> 
>  
> 
> Just curious :)
> 
> 
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Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Jim Majorowicz]

Depends on what else you've added to that bourbon marinade before
putting the meat on the smoke.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> Soaking one's meat or oneself in bourbon doesn't count as BBQ. :-)
>
>
> My, that is an interesting sentence...
>

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Re: What's Your Phone?

[Jim Majorowicz]

I can't believe that I'm the only person on this list that owns a
Tragger...  You can do both.  It's just a question of how quickly you
want to go through your pellets.  I BBQed a pork roast for New Years,
but grilled my steak for dinner last night.  Both over hickory,
because mainly I didn't feel like changing out the pellets...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:32 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> Ah ok but what you refer to as a BBQ is really a grill. BBQ is smoked food,
> made in a smoker. My propane grill cost me about 80 bucks and its lasted
> about 3 years but its time for a new one. The humidity and heat where I live
> kills metal.
>
> James

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RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Happy to help. I honestly don't know what the last price was that I paid, but 
here are some prices from July of 2008 (I don't buy large quantities. If I did, 
the price would probably be lower):

Purple   AT1502EV-P 2 foot CAT5e Patch Cable   $3.48ea.
Orange  AT1503EV-OR   3 foot CAT5e Patch Cable   $3.96ea.
Ivory  AT1505EV-I   5 foot CAT5e Patch Cable   $4.68ea.
Yellow   AT1507EV-YL7 foot CAT5e Patch Cable   $5.43ea.
Green   AT1510EV-GN   10 foot CAT5e Patch Cable $6.74ea.
Blue  AT1514EV-BU   14 foot CAT5e Patch Cable $7.98ea.
BlackAT1525EV-BK   25 foot CAT5e Patch Cable $12.36ea.
WhiteAT1550EV-WH  50 foot CAT5e Patch Cable $31.83ea.

I've never had a faulty cable that I can recall. Sure, I know these aren't the 
least expensive, but I've never had a problem.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
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From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

Nice, we have some of these 'better snagless' wires, I love 'em.
Never known where to find them though... Thanks Jonathan!
Sam

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

Allen Tel Products. Graybar stocks them. I've never had a problem with getting 
them out, UNLESS the tab was slipped underneath the locking tab, which is by 
design.

http://www.allentel.com/page43.html

ATP is pretty much about all I've purchased for the last 12 years.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
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From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

Agreed, especially in tight places like a rack, but Monoprice only seems to 
sell snagless now :(

Anyone have some good vendors to name off?

Sam

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

I have a real strong dislike of snagless cables. Once you plug them in, they 
never come out! And once in a while you need to move something and its like a 
fight to get them out.

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels

What's your preference?

Snagless?
Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

Just curious :)

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Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Jon Harris]

How is the old hard drives going to be treated?

Jon

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

>  Thanks guys!  There are all the specs I have to work with.
>
> But now I also now some great questions to ask.
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting me bounce this off you.
>
>
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> *From:* Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@ur.msu.edu]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:09 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?
>
>
>
> 2 hours per machine sounds pretty good. Obvious economies of scale in
> power-up for initial image since I can unbox and power several machines at
> once if I'm provided with enough working space. The longest components are
> usually backups and reinstallation/migration since that can range wildly
> depending on network performance, sizes, etc.
>
>
>
> 
> Jack Kramer
> Computer Systems Specialist
> University Relations, Michigan State University
> w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955
>
>
>
> *From: *Sam Cayze 
> *Reply-To: *NT System Admin Issues 
> *Date: *Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:51:21 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues 
> *Subject: *PC Migration / Time Estimate?
>
>
>
>  Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
> like this?
>
>
>
> Unpack, inventory new hardware
>
> Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
>
> Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
>
> Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
>
> Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
>
> Point to correct network printer
>
> Configure Outlook/PST
>
> Box up old PC
>
>
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
> Sam
>
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RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Sam Cayze]

Nice, we have some of these 'better snagless' wires, I love 'em.

Never known where to find them though. Thanks Jonathan!

Sam

 

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

Allen Tel Products. Graybar stocks them. I've never had a problem with
getting them out, UNLESS the tab was slipped underneath the locking tab,
which is by design.

 

http://www.allentel.com/page43.html

 

ATP is pretty much about all I've purchased for the last 12 years.

 

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
 mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com> jra...@eaglemds.com
 http://www.eaglemds.com/> www.eaglemds.com 

  _  

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

Agreed, especially in tight places like a rack, but Monoprice only seems to
sell snagless now :(

 

Anyone have some good vendors to name off?

 

Sam

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

I have a real strong dislike of snagless cables. Once you plug them in, they
never come out! And once in a while you need to move something and its like
a fight to get them out.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

What's your preference?  

 

Snagless? 

Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

 

Just curious :)

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Re: Network Battery Backup

[Jon Harris]

I have used the rack and floor mounted APC's with the network cards and they
work as advertised.  Just make sure that shut down the UPS before killing
the network.

You can contact me off list for more information.

Jon Harris

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:

>  Any suggest a decent 1500 Battery Backup with network shutdown
> capabilities.  Need it for some VMWARE servers that don’t support USB
> passthrough.
>
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RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Allen Tel Products. Graybar stocks them. I've never had a problem with getting 
them out, UNLESS the tab was slipped underneath the locking tab, which is by 
design.

http://www.allentel.com/page43.html

ATP is pretty much about all I've purchased for the last 12 years.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

Agreed, especially in tight places like a rack, but Monoprice only seems to 
sell snagless now :(

Anyone have some good vendors to name off?

Sam

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

I have a real strong dislike of snagless cables. Once you plug them in, they 
never come out! And once in a while you need to move something and its like a 
fight to get them out.

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels

What's your preference?

Snagless?
Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

Just curious :)

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RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Sam Cayze]

Agreed, especially in tight places like a rack, but Monoprice only seems to
sell snagless now :(

 

Anyone have some good vendors to name off?

 

Sam

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

I have a real strong dislike of snagless cables. Once you plug them in, they
never come out! And once in a while you need to move something and its like
a fight to get them out.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

What's your preference?  

 

Snagless? 

Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

 

Just curious :)

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RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Sam Cayze]

You can buy them assembled. But yeah, I'd never want to make them.

 

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

In this order:

 

Snagless

Molded

Assembled (but who has the time these days?)

 

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Technology Coordinator
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

What's your preference?  

 

Snagless? 

Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

 

Just curious :)

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Re: Under-Desk PC Mount Solutions

[Jon Harris]

On the UPSs I would also be surprised but hey someone thinks of it someone
else will make it.  I don't know if I would want the liability of the
mounting or the purchasing for that matter.

Jon

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle  wrote:

>  +1 on the Dell mounting. We’ve had them, but never went down the path of
> actually mounting them.
>
>
>
> As for the UPS, considering the weight, I’d be really surprised if you
> found something *suitable* for an under-desk mount.
>
>
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
> *www.eaglemds.com
>  --
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:50 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Under-Desk PC Mount Solutions
>
>
>
> Dell has mounting kits for under desk/behind monitor setups I would hope HP
> would as well.  Keep in mind you will have to use the USF (Ultra Small
> Formfactor) models for the Dell.  These will limit you to what you can do
> with the system later as far as upgrades so approach this model with
> thought.  I have know idea on the UPS's.  You might want to talk to APC or
> one of the larger resellers (like CDW etc) for the under desk mountings for
> the UPSs.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Dennis Krebs 
> wrote:
>
> We're thinking about getting user PCs off the floor or desk. I was curious
> to find out if anyone has a preferred mounting solution for under a desk.
>
> We want something that is going to support PCs without bending. We also
> want easy access to the rear panel. Cable management of some sort would be
> an added bonus. Lastly, a solution for mounting UPS units would be nice.
>
> --
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> IT Support Specialist | Advanced Audio Visual
> 208 Carter Drive, Suite 7 | West Chester, PA 19382
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RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Martin Blackstone]

I have a real strong dislike of snagless cables. Once you plug them in, they
never come out! And once in a while you need to move something and its like
a fight to get them out.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels

 

What's your preference?  

 

Snagless? 

Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

 

Just curious :)

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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Paul Everett]

For what it’s worth at this point, it was Watchguard III 700.  About 8yrs old.

And yes, I was referring to our Internet MetroE.  We don’t vpn our ptp metro-e 
connection, but after this thread it’s something I’m going to look at.

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 

And how old was this firewall?!

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our ISP's 
equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>

We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we tested 
10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg to the 
West Coast.

Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.

Paul

 

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the way, 
could be bad cabling, etc…

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c   – 312.731.3132

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Folks,

 

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet. 

 

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.

 

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.  

 

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.

 

Recommendations and comments welcome.

 

 

 

 

Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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RE: Under-Desk PC Mount Solutions

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

+1 on the Dell mounting. We've had them, but never went down the path of 
actually mounting them.

As for the UPS, considering the weight, I'd be really surprised if you found 
something suitable for an under-desk mount.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Under-Desk PC Mount Solutions

Dell has mounting kits for under desk/behind monitor setups I would hope HP 
would as well.  Keep in mind you will have to use the USF (Ultra Small 
Formfactor) models for the Dell.  These will limit you to what you can do with 
the system later as far as upgrades so approach this model with thought.  I 
have know idea on the UPS's.  You might want to talk to APC or one of the 
larger resellers (like CDW etc) for the under desk mountings for the UPSs.

Jon
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Dennis Krebs 
mailto:dennis.kr...@advancedav.com>> wrote:
We're thinking about getting user PCs off the floor or desk. I was curious to 
find out if anyone has a preferred mounting solution for under a desk.

We want something that is going to support PCs without bending. We also want 
easy access to the rear panel. Cable management of some sort would be an added 
bonus. Lastly, a solution for mounting UPS units would be nice.

--
Dennis Krebs
IT Support Specialist | Advanced Audio Visual
208 Carter Drive, Suite 7 | West Chester, PA 19382
610-719-6193 | dennis.kr...@advancedav.com



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RE: Patch Cable for patch panels

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

In this order:

Snagless
Molded
Assembled (but who has the time these days?)


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Technology Coordinator
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www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Patch Cable for patch panels

What's your preference?

Snagless?
Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

Just curious :)

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Re: Under-Desk PC Mount Solutions

[Jon Harris]

Dell has mounting kits for under desk/behind monitor setups I would hope HP
would as well.  Keep in mind you will have to use the USF (Ultra Small
Formfactor) models for the Dell.  These will limit you to what you can do
with the system later as far as upgrades so approach this model with
thought.  I have know idea on the UPS's.  You might want to talk to APC or
one of the larger resellers (like CDW etc) for the under desk mountings for
the UPSs.

Jon

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Dennis Krebs wrote:

> We're thinking about getting user PCs off the floor or desk. I was curious
> to find out if anyone has a preferred mounting solution for under a desk.
>
> We want something that is going to support PCs without bending. We also
> want easy access to the rear panel. Cable management of some sort would be
> an added bonus. Lastly, a solution for mounting UPS units would be nice.
>
> --
> Dennis Krebs
> IT Support Specialist | Advanced Audio Visual
> 208 Carter Drive, Suite 7 | West Chester, PA 19382
> 610-719-6193 | dennis.kr...@advancedav.com
>
>
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Patch Cable for patch panels

[Sam Cayze]

What's your preference?  

 

Snagless? 

Molded or assembled? (Crimped)

 

Just curious :)


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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

I *LIKE* this tool.

Thanks for sharing. I'm waiting on the download link for the full version now, 
as I need something that will do a longer term stress test than what Qcheck is 
capable. However, I'm scared to ask what the price is...


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Metro Ethernet ?

QCheck will definitely help, if you can test from two systems across the 
circuit:

http://www.ixchariot.com/products/datasheets/qcheck.html



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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Eldridge, Dave 
mailto:d...@parkviewmc.com>> wrote:
Jonathan, I am switching over from our 10mb to 100mb qmoe starting with my 
signoff next week. They are (Qwest) still trying to get the circuit to verify 
at 100Mb. It currently to them shows 82. How can I can test this with just a pc 
on my end? I went to qwest.speedtest.net and it 
isn't anywhere near even the 82 they report. How do I the customer validate the 
speed I am paying for?
dave


From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle 
[mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:33 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

We switched to Metro-E over fiber about 6 years ago, and haven't looked back, 
though it isn't MPLS. We just have a Point to Multi-point layer 2 network, with 
them breaking out switch ports at my core for each remote site. So for all 
intents and purposes, from my standpoint, it is a handful of point to point 
layer 2 connections.
One thing I had to beat into my providers' head was verifying the speed and 
duplex of their equipment. For some, we needed 100 full, and for others, we 
needed 10 full. It all depended on what gear we had at each site. Even once the 
setting was changed, sometimes it would take an equipment reboot (theirs AND 
ours) in order for it to settle properly.
You should not have to dumb down the connection speed to 10 mbps, as they are 
rate limiting on their equipment down to 5 Mbps (just like what we have). What 
is your terminating equipment, and are you seeing interface errors? (I know you 
said collisions, but what exactly are your interfaces saying?)

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

Folks,

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.

Recommendations and comments welcome.




Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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RE: Network Battery Backup

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Things like inability to login without a reboot of the management card - 
particularly if you disconnected in an unclean fashion. Inability to have more 
than one user logged in at a time, etc. Aside from that, they simply died with 
no warning. Tripp Lite tech support was horrific when we called them for 
support.

While rebooting is merely a nuisance if the system is just down the hall, it is 
a major pain in the keister if the unit is 16 miles away.

So, that's why I've shied away from Tripp Lite.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
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-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Network Battery Backup

I'd be interested to know what your problems were with the SNMPWEBCARD. 
Reliability issues? Features missing? Thus far, we have had neither.

We dont' need much, so we were happy to go with the less expensive TrippLite 
solution.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
[mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 05 Jan 2011
14:11:39 -0800
Subject: RE: Network Battery Backup


> My experience with the SNMPWEBCARD is that it absolutely positively stinks.
> I've had enough of them to know that it would be a hard sell to get me to
> buy another one.
>
> APC, however, can likely do everything you need and more, and my experience
> with their management cards has been ROCK solid. And I've got more than one
> or two of them...
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> jra...@eaglemds.com
> www.eaglemds.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Network Battery Backup
>
> We use Tripplite. APC of course can do the trick as well.
>
> With Tripplite, you just need the SNMPWEBCARD (That's the actual part
> number).
>
> SMART1500RM2U with SNMPWEBCARD is less than $750 shipped from
> Provantage.com.. You'll need to buy a 2-post kit if you're going into a
> relay rack.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
> To: NT
> System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent:
> Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:42 -0800
> Subject: Network Battery Backup
>
>
> > Any suggest a decent 1500 Battery Backup with network shutdown
> capabilities.
> >  Need it for some VMWARE servers that don't support USB passthrough.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Greg Sweers
> > CEO
> > ACTS360.com
> > P.O. Box 1193
> > Brandon, FL  33509
> > 813-657-0849 Office
> > 813-758-6850 Cell
> > 813-341-1270 Fax
> >
> >
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RE: Network Battery Backup

[Matthew W. Ross]

I'd be interested to know what your problems were with the SNMPWEBCARD. 
Reliability issues? Features missing? Thus far, we have had neither.

We dont' need much, so we were happy to go with the less expensive TrippLite 
solution.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
[mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 05 Jan 2011
14:11:39 -0800
Subject: RE: Network Battery Backup


> My experience with the SNMPWEBCARD is that it absolutely positively stinks.
> I've had enough of them to know that it would be a hard sell to get me to
> buy another one.
> 
> APC, however, can likely do everything you need and more, and my experience
> with their management cards has been ROCK solid. And I've got more than one
> or two of them...
> 
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> jra...@eaglemds.com
> www.eaglemds.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Network Battery Backup
> 
> We use Tripplite. APC of course can do the trick as well.
> 
> With Tripplite, you just need the SNMPWEBCARD (That's the actual part
> number).
> 
> SMART1500RM2U with SNMPWEBCARD is less than $750 shipped from
> Provantage.com.. You'll need to buy a 2-post kit if you're going into a
> relay rack.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
> To: NT
> System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent:
> Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:42 -0800
> Subject: Network Battery Backup
> 
> 
> > Any suggest a decent 1500 Battery Backup with network shutdown
> capabilities.
> >  Need it for some VMWARE servers that don't support USB passthrough.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Greg Sweers
> > CEO
> > ACTS360.com
> > P.O. Box 1193
> > Brandon, FL  33509
> > 813-657-0849 Office
> > 813-758-6850 Cell
> > 813-341-1270 Fax
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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> >
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RE: Network Battery Backup

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

My experience with the SNMPWEBCARD is that it absolutely positively stinks. 
I've had enough of them to know that it would be a hard sell to get me to buy 
another one.

APC, however, can likely do everything you need and more, and my experience 
with their management cards has been ROCK solid. And I've got more than one or 
two of them...

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Network Battery Backup

We use Tripplite. APC of course can do the trick as well.

With Tripplite, you just need the SNMPWEBCARD (That's the actual part number).

SMART1500RM2U with SNMPWEBCARD is less than $750 shipped from Provantage.com.. 
You'll need to buy a 2-post kit if you're going into a relay rack.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT
System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent:
Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:42 -0800
Subject: Network Battery Backup


> Any suggest a decent 1500 Battery Backup with network shutdown capabilities.
>  Need it for some VMWARE servers that don't support USB passthrough.
>
> Thx
>
> Greg Sweers
> CEO
> ACTS360.com
> P.O. Box 1193
> Brandon, FL  33509
> 813-657-0849 Office
> 813-758-6850 Cell
> 813-341-1270 Fax
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as 
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RE: What's Your Phone (OT)?

[Maglinger, Paul]

I'm certainly big enough.  :)

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone (OT)?

You're an entire country?

- Sean
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Maglinger, Paul 
mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>> wrote:
Okay, NOW I'm hungary.

From: c.e. gene c. [mailto:cege...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Even tho 90 % of you all can smoke me as per the job you all do on a daily 
basic. But, this is one topic I couldn't turn down. It's not the high priced 
objects you use to cook with from a 900.00 smoker joe to a trash can. It's like 
the wife ask me why I love opera and Classical music ? It's because I become as 
one with it. A little background first. I had my own hog farm at 16. I hand 
killed and dressed out my first WHOLE Hog at the same age and cook over a open 
wood fire. I prepared and cooked every piece of meat for 2 large BBQ outlets 
for 4 years etc. I have used everything on this earth to cook,grill,bbq or 
smoke anything I could get my hands on.

Enough of the words. Lets see some pics??

http://genec-lori.com/bbq.htm


Gene C.

Misc. B.S.
http://genec-lori.com/

PackRat GarageSale
http://genec-lori.biz/

Genes-Computers Inc.
Yulee ,Fl Established 1981
Microsoft OEM Registered member, system builder & Active registered Microsoft 
artner
Active Charter Partner of The Association of System Builders and Integrators

If you think you're beaten, Then you are!
If you give up the fight, Accept it !!


From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Email me off list so as not to annoy the Siamese dichotomy , maybe we can 
coordinate something.  Gotta make sure I have proper hardwood on hand, and time 
available to receive package and smoke

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security
'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

Yes they're wild caught. Some from the end of my G-Loomis, but most from my 
mother-in-law dipnetting.

- Sean
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Erik Goldoff 
mailto:egold...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Damn, sounds like a deal to me...  Kenai River means wild caught, means better 
flavor !

Salmon smoked best low, low heat about 4 to 6 hours I only use a mild salt not 
much other spice needed, unless a quick soy-maple marinade first.

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security
'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:36 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

You guys are killing me with all of this food talk and it's only 7:30am here.

So which one of you Smoker experts is good with salmon? I'll make somebody a 
deal. I've got a freezer full of salmon filets (Kenai River Red Salmon - 
Alaska). I can cook fish, but I've never been into smoking it. I'll send 
someone a box full of filets, cover the shipping, if you smoke it and send me 
back half of it...the other half you keep for yourself. Sound reasonable?


- Sean
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle 
mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com>> wrote:
Sounds like frying a turkey... mmm


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com


From: Alan Davies 
[mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:02 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Not tried it, but I'm sure it could be nice.  I saw a show on cowboys once 
where they deep-fry these huge cuts of steak out in the wilds in a massive 
cauldron of oil on a fire.  Sounds odd, but makes sense with the very high 
temperature sealing it instantly.  Nom nom nom 



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 January 2011 14:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?
I can and do cook steak on a smoker. :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Alan Davies 
mailto:adav...@cls-services.com>> wrote:
That is true ... but I thought once upon a time we were talking about just 
cooking a steak! ;o)


-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 January 2011 14:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

That w

Re: Network Battery Backup

[Matthew W. Ross]

We use Tripplite. APC of course can do the trick as well.

With Tripplite, you just need the SNMPWEBCARD (That's the actual part number).

SMART1500RM2U with SNMPWEBCARD is less than $750 shipped from Provantage.com.. 
You'll need to buy a 2-post kit if you're going into a relay rack.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
To: NT
System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent:
Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:42 -0800
Subject: Network Battery Backup


> Any suggest a decent 1500 Battery Backup with network shutdown capabilities.
>  Need it for some VMWARE servers that don't support USB passthrough.
> 
> Thx
> 
> Greg Sweers
> CEO
> ACTS360.com
> P.O. Box 1193
> Brandon, FL  33509
> 813-657-0849 Office
> 813-758-6850 Cell
> 813-341-1270 Fax
> 
> 
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Under-Desk PC Mount Solutions

[Dennis Krebs]

We're thinking about getting user PCs off the floor or desk. I was curious to 
find out if anyone has a preferred mounting solution for under a desk.

We want something that is going to support PCs without bending. We also want 
easy access to the rear panel. Cable management of some sort would be an added 
bonus. Lastly, a solution for mounting UPS units would be nice.

--
Dennis Krebs
IT Support Specialist | Advanced Audio Visual
208 Carter Drive, Suite 7 | West Chester, PA 19382
610-719-6193 | dennis.kr...@advancedav.com



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Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Jonathan Link]

Just some neighborly fun from WV. :-)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:

>  Hey!  No need to get insulting here.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:22 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> Soaking one's meat or oneself in bourbon doesn't count as BBQ. :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> My, that is an interesting sentence...
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Maglinger, Paul 
> wrote:
>
> What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it
> depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ
> is different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to
> be a matter of preference.
>
>
> In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by
> and had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some
> BBQ when he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite
> interesting.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t call me a farily.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Oh believe me – I KNOW what’s right – Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ
> sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. J
>
>
>
> Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog
> (a pig pickin’) or pork butt.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen
> people come to blows farily quickly. :-)
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, I can go along with that. :-)
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
>   From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.
>
>
> Michael B. Smith wrote:
>
> > What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork
> shoulder?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
> >
> > For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or
> 4 years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT
> the same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and
> makes a GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
> >
> >
>  > Erik Goldoff
> > IT  Consultant
> > Systems, Networks, & Security
> >
> > '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
> >
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Network Battery Backup

[greg.sweers]

Any suggest a decent 1500 Battery Backup with network shutdown capabilities.  
Need it for some VMWARE servers that don't support USB passthrough.

Thx

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


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RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Maglinger, Paul]

Yankee!

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

Not a lot of people eat opossum anymore.

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it 
depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ is 
different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to be a 
matter of preference.

In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by and 
had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some BBQ when 
he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite interesting.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Don’t call me a farily.

☺

Oh believe me – I KNOW what’s right – Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ 
sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. ☺

Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog (a 
pig pickin’) or pork butt.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen people 
come to blows farily quickly. :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Ok, I can go along with that. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries 
[mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.


Michael B. Smith wrote:
> What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork shoulder?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or 4 
> years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT the 
> same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and makes a 
> GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
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RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Maglinger, Paul]

Hey!  No need to get insulting here.

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

Soaking one's meat or oneself in bourbon doesn't count as BBQ. :-)


My, that is an interesting sentence...
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Maglinger, Paul 
mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>> wrote:
What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it 
depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ is 
different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to be a 
matter of preference.

In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by and 
had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some BBQ when 
he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite interesting.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Don't call me a farily.

:)

Oh believe me - I KNOW what's right - Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ 
sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. :)

Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog (a 
pig pickin') or pork butt.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen people 
come to blows farily quickly. :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Ok, I can go along with that. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries 
[mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.


Michael B. Smith wrote:
> What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork shoulder?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or 4 
> years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT the 
> same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and makes a 
> GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
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>
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RE: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Maglinger, Paul]

As did I.

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

I think I mentioned it a couplatimes.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Charlie Kaiser 
mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org>> wrote:
Hey; we asked him for a separate forum... :-)

***
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charl...@golden-eagle.org
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> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]
>
> I think Stu is still on holidays, otherwise he would be on this thread
like a dirty shirt.


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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Sam Cayze]

My guess is not.

 

From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

 

do you have to wipe the drives on the old computers or just box them up?

  _  

From: sca...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:22:21 -0600

Thanks guys!  There are all the specs I have to work with.

But now I also now some great questions to ask.

 

Thanks for letting me bounce this off you.

 

Sam

 

From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@ur.msu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

 

2 hours per machine sounds pretty good. Obvious economies of scale in
power-up for initial image since I can unbox and power several machines at
once if I'm provided with enough working space. The longest components are
usually backups and reinstallation/migration since that can range wildly
depending on network performance, sizes, etc.

 


Jack Kramer
Computer Systems Specialist
University Relations, Michigan State University
w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955

 

From: Sam Cayze 
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:51:21 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

 

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
like this?

 

Unpack, inventory new hardware

Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)

Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)

Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)

Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image

Point to correct network printer

Configure Outlook/PST

Box up old PC

 

 

TIA,

 

Sam

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Re: What's Your Phone (OT)?

[Sean Martin]

You're an entire country?

- Sean

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Maglinger, Paul wrote:

>  Okay, NOW I’m hungary.
>
>
>
> *From:* c.e. gene c. [mailto:cege...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:33 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: What's Your Phone?
>
>
>
> Even tho 90 % of you all can smoke me as per the job you all do on a daily
> basic. But, this is one topic I couldn’t turn down. It’s not the high priced
> objects you use to cook with from a 900.00 smoker joe to a trash can. It’s
> like the wife ask me why I love opera and Classical music ? It’s because I
> become as one with it. A little background first. I had my own hog farm at
> 16. I hand killed and dressed out my first WHOLE Hog at the same age and
> cook over a open wood fire. I prepared and cooked every piece of meat for 2
> large BBQ outlets for 4 years etc. I have used everything on this earth to
> cook,grill,bbq or smoke anything I could get my hands on.
>
>
>
> Enough of the words. Lets see some pics??
>
>
>
> http://genec-lori.com/bbq.htm
>
>
>
> Gene C.
>
> Misc. B.S.
> http://genec-lori.com/
>
> PackRat GarageSale
> http://genec-lori.biz/
>
> Genes-Computers Inc.
> Yulee ,Fl Established 1981
> Microsoft OEM Registered member, system builder & Active registered
> Microsoft artner
> Active Charter Partner of The Association of System Builders and
> Integrators
>
> If you think you're beaten, Then you are!
> If you give up the fight, Accept it !!
>  --
>
> *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:19 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: What's Your Phone?
>
>
>
> Email me off list so as not to annoy the Siamese dichotomy , maybe we can
> coordinate something.  Gotta make sure I have proper hardwood on hand, and
> time available to receive package and smoke
>
>
>
> *Erik Goldoff***
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:48 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone?
>
>
>
> Yes they're wild caught. Some from the end of my G-Loomis, but most from my
> mother-in-law dipnetting.
>
>
>
> - Sean
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:
>
> Damn, sounds like a deal to me…  Kenai River means wild caught, means
> better flavor !
>
>
>
> Salmon smoked best low, low heat about 4 to 6 hours I only use a mild salt
> not much other spice needed, unless a quick soy-maple marinade first.
>
>
>
> *Erik Goldoff*
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:36 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone?
>
>
>
> You guys are killing me with all of this food talk and it's only 7:30am
> here.
>
>
>
> So which one of you Smoker experts is good with salmon? I'll make somebody
> a deal. I've got a freezer full of salmon filets (Kenai River Red Salmon -
> Alaska). I can cook fish, but I've never been into smoking it. I'll send
> someone a box full of filets, cover the shipping, if you smoke it and send
> me back half of it...the other half you keep for yourself. Sound reasonable?
>
>
>
>
>
> - Sean
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle <
> jra...@eaglemds.com> wrote:
>
> Sounds like frying a turkey… mmm
>
>
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
> *www.eaglemds.com
>  --
>
> *From:* Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:02 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: What's Your Phone?
>
>
>
> Not tried it, but I'm sure it could be nice.  I saw a show on cowboys once
> where they deep-fry these huge cuts of steak out in the wilds in a massive
> cauldron of oil on a fire.  Sounds odd, but makes sense with the very high
> temperature sealing it instantly.  Nom nom nom 
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 05 January 2011 14:41
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone?
>
> I can and do cook steak on a smoker. :-)
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Alan Davies 
> wrote:
>
> That is true ... but I thought once upon a time we were talking about just
> cooking a steak! ;o)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 05 January 2011 14:36
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?
>
> That would be a grill. Which isn't anything close to a smoker.
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2011, Alan Davies 
> wrote:
> > I meant the trend to spend a lot on outdoor cooking fa

RE: What's Your Phone (OT)?

[Maglinger, Paul]

Okay, NOW I'm hungary.

From: c.e. gene c. [mailto:cege...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Even tho 90 % of you all can smoke me as per the job you all do on a daily 
basic. But, this is one topic I couldn't turn down. It's not the high priced 
objects you use to cook with from a 900.00 smoker joe to a trash can. It's like 
the wife ask me why I love opera and Classical music ? It's because I become as 
one with it. A little background first. I had my own hog farm at 16. I hand 
killed and dressed out my first WHOLE Hog at the same age and cook over a open 
wood fire. I prepared and cooked every piece of meat for 2 large BBQ outlets 
for 4 years etc. I have used everything on this earth to cook,grill,bbq or 
smoke anything I could get my hands on.

Enough of the words. Lets see some pics??

http://genec-lori.com/bbq.htm


Gene C.

Misc. B.S.
http://genec-lori.com/

PackRat GarageSale
http://genec-lori.biz/

Genes-Computers Inc.
Yulee ,Fl Established 1981
Microsoft OEM Registered member, system builder & Active registered Microsoft 
artner
Active Charter Partner of The Association of System Builders and Integrators

If you think you're beaten, Then you are!
If you give up the fight, Accept it !!


From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Email me off list so as not to annoy the Siamese dichotomy , maybe we can 
coordinate something.  Gotta make sure I have proper hardwood on hand, and time 
available to receive package and smoke

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security
'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

Yes they're wild caught. Some from the end of my G-Loomis, but most from my 
mother-in-law dipnetting.

- Sean
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Erik Goldoff 
mailto:egold...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Damn, sounds like a deal to me...  Kenai River means wild caught, means better 
flavor !

Salmon smoked best low, low heat about 4 to 6 hours I only use a mild salt not 
much other spice needed, unless a quick soy-maple marinade first.

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security
'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:36 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

You guys are killing me with all of this food talk and it's only 7:30am here.

So which one of you Smoker experts is good with salmon? I'll make somebody a 
deal. I've got a freezer full of salmon filets (Kenai River Red Salmon - 
Alaska). I can cook fish, but I've never been into smoking it. I'll send 
someone a box full of filets, cover the shipping, if you smoke it and send me 
back half of it...the other half you keep for yourself. Sound reasonable?


- Sean
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle 
mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com>> wrote:
Sounds like frying a turkey... mmm


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com


From: Alan Davies 
[mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:02 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Not tried it, but I'm sure it could be nice.  I saw a show on cowboys once 
where they deep-fry these huge cuts of steak out in the wilds in a massive 
cauldron of oil on a fire.  Sounds odd, but makes sense with the very high 
temperature sealing it instantly.  Nom nom nom 



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 January 2011 14:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?
I can and do cook steak on a smoker. :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Alan Davies 
mailto:adav...@cls-services.com>> wrote:
That is true ... but I thought once upon a time we were talking about just 
cooking a steak! ;o)


-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 January 2011 14:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

That would be a grill. Which isn't anything close to a smoker.

On Wednesday, January 5, 2011, Alan Davies 
mailto:adav...@cls-services.com>> wrote:
> I meant the trend to spend a lot on outdoor cooking facilities!  Most BBQs 
> over here are £15 B&Q jobs .. which are absolutely fine as long as you don't 
> expect them to last 10 years out in the wind and rain!
>
>
> a
>
> -Original Message-

RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Ray]

There's an app for that..

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:35 PM,  wrote:


I got curious and decided to combine the topic with the OT.  I tried smoking
a pork chop over some old cell phones we have here... 

Lots of aromatic smoke, but it tasted really really bad!  :-@ 

Kevin Lundy  wrote on 01/05/2011 02:32:57 PM: 



> You a NC boy?  My first job was right up the road in Lexington.  1/4
> mile from the award winning BBQ pit named "Lexington #1".  

 

>   
> I'm sure my folks dined at Pat & Mick's.  I've been looking for a 
> good red slaw recipe, so THANKS.

> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael B. Smith  > wrote: 
> My very first job was in a fish house (Pat & Mick's in New London, 
> NC). This is very close to the recipe we used: http://www.slashfood
 .
> com/2009/01/03/north-carolina-bbq-slaw/ 
>   
> Except instead of ketchup/BBQ-sauce, we used tomatoes. 
>   
> Pat & Mick's seated 900.yes, 900 people. Folks came from all over 
> the Piedmont. On Friday and Saturday nights, we'd turn the tables 4 
> or 5 times. We'd make 175 GALLONS of red slaw a night. 
>   
> Regards, 
>   
> Michael B. Smith 
> Consultant and Exchange MVP 
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com   
>   
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:53 AM 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT] 
>   
> Got a good RED slaw recipe ? 
>   
> Erik Goldoff 
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RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Ray]

Nothing beats roadkill du jour soaked in moonshine.  Of course, it's quit an
art to not to catch on fire.

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

 

Soaking one's meat or oneself in bourbon doesn't count as BBQ. :-)

 

 

My, that is an interesting sentence...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:

What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

 

Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it
depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ
is different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to
be a matter of preference. 


In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by
and had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some
BBQ when he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite
interesting. 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith 
wrote:

Don't call me a farily.

 

J

 

Oh believe me - I KNOW what's right - Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ
sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. J

 

Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog
(a pig pickin') or pork butt.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com  

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

 

I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen
people come to blows farily quickly. :-)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith 
wrote:

Ok, I can go along with that. :-)

 

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com  


-Original Message-

From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.


Michael B. Smith wrote:

> What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork
shoulder?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or 4
years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT the
same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and makes
a GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Shauna Hensala]

do you have to wipe the drives on the old computers or just box them up?

From: sca...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:22:21 -0600



Thanks guys!  There are all the specs I have to work with.But now I also now 
some great questions to ask. Thanks for letting me bounce this off you. Sam 
From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@ur.msu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate? 2 hours per machine sounds pretty 
good. Obvious economies of scale in power-up for initial image since I can 
unbox and power several machines at once if I'm provided with enough working 
space. The longest components are usually backups and reinstallation/migration 
since that can range wildly depending on network performance, sizes, etc. 
Jack Kramer
Computer Systems Specialist
University Relations, Michigan State University
w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: Sam Cayze 
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:51:21 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate? Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite 
would you estimate for something like this? Unpack, inventory new hardwarePower 
up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)Do an inventory of old 
system (Software, files, asset tags)Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook 
PSTs)Re-install any approved programs that were not of the imagePoint to 
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RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Charlie Kaiser]

Close down your dampers more so you get less smoke. Too much can impart a
bitter taste... :-)

***
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charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  


> -Original Message-
> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:36 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
> 
> 
> I got curious and decided to combine the topic with the OT.  I tried
smoking a pork chop
> over some old cell phones we have here...
> 
> Lots of aromatic smoke, but it tasted really really bad!  :-@



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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Charlie Kaiser]

QB... The winner of the least business-quality business program... And I
hear you on the alternatives being worse...

***
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***  


> -Original Message-
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?
> 
> And then there was the time where I had to install multiple (5?) versions
of Quickbooks
> on a new workstation (few years ago)...  *shudder*
> 
> And the alternative was much worse...



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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[David Lum]

2 hours is a good number. Lately I have migrated users from XP to Win7, and 
Win7's migration tool is really good, it even retains the memorized autofill 
pieces. Soup to nuts is generally in the 2 hour range, occasionally the moving 
of data from one PC to another is the biggest single chunk of time.

There is the occasional 3-4hr system, but almost never a sub 1hr system.

Dave

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

Thanks guys!  There are all the specs I have to work with.
But now I also now some great questions to ask.

Thanks for letting me bounce this off you.

Sam

From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@ur.msu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

2 hours per machine sounds pretty good. Obvious economies of scale in power-up 
for initial image since I can unbox and power several machines at once if I'm 
provided with enough working space. The longest components are usually backups 
and reinstallation/migration since that can range wildly depending on network 
performance, sizes, etc.


Jack Kramer
Computer Systems Specialist
University Relations, Michigan State University
w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955

From: Sam Cayze mailto:sca...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:51:21 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something like 
this?

Unpack, inventory new hardware
Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
Point to correct network printer
Configure Outlook/PST
Box up old PC


TIA,

Sam

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Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Richard Stovall]

When there was no meat, we ate fowl.
When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad.
Where there was no crawdad to be found, we ate sand.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

>  Not a lot of people eat opossum anymore.
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:21 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it
> depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ
> is different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to
> be a matter of preference.
>
> In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by
> and had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some
> BBQ when he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite
> interesting.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t call me a farily.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Oh believe me – I KNOW what’s right – Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ
> sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. J
>
>
>
> Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog
> (a pig pickin’) or pork butt.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen
> people come to blows farily quickly. :-)
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, I can go along with that. :-)
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.
>
>
> Michael B. Smith wrote:
>
> > What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork
> shoulder?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
> >
> > For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or
> 4 years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT
> the same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and
> makes a GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
> >
> >
> > Erik Goldoff
> > IT  Consultant
> > Systems, Networks, & Security
> >
> > '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
> >
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RE: File lock

[David Lum]

Disregard….I r an ID10T…

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File lock

Procexp will do this natively as well. :) find handle is the option you want.
--
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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 01:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: File lock

MONEY

Told me the PID of what had the file locked, PROCEXP got me the thread to kill, 
w00t!!!

Wasn’t the same fix I’ve done before, but that was fun!

Dave

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File lock

Handle.exe

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896655

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File lock

2003 server file share - we have an Excel file that allows us to open but not 
save it – it’s “in use, try again later”.

Computer Management does not show anyone having this file open, is there a 
utility that will let me click on the file itself and have it show if someone 
has it open? They were able to edit it yesterday.

Google-Fu of that phrase returns many hits of folks with the same issue over 
the years, and I swore I have seen and resolved this before, but for the life 
of me can’t remember…
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


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RE: File lock

[David Lum]

Oh? I briefly browsed each process and looked at the files each one had opened, 
but there were too many processes…how would I get a listing of all open files 
so I can scan or search for the opened one I’m after? If I do a “File Handle or 
substring” search I can see the file is opened but can’t tell which PID has it…

Dave

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File lock

Procexp will do this natively as well. :) find handle is the option you want.
--
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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 01:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: File lock

MONEY

Told me the PID of what had the file locked, PROCEXP got me the thread to kill, 
w00t!!!

Wasn’t the same fix I’ve done before, but that was fun!

Dave

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File lock

Handle.exe

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896655

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File lock

2003 server file share - we have an Excel file that allows us to open but not 
save it – it’s “in use, try again later”.

Computer Management does not show anyone having this file open, is there a 
utility that will let me click on the file itself and have it show if someone 
has it open? They were able to edit it yesterday.

Google-Fu of that phrase returns many hits of folks with the same issue over 
the years, and I swore I have seen and resolved this before, but for the life 
of me can’t remember…
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


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Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

...

Signed, *Peter Griffin*. *Dictated but not read*, Lois read that back to me.
>

--
ME2





On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, VIPCS  wrote:

>  Michael,
>
>
>
> Yours is one of the few well-reasoned and intelligent responses to
> Jeffrey’s post.
>
>
>
> As with any mailing list, there will be a certain amount of “noise” as
> someone else put it, and that comes with the nature of a mailing list.
> However, when the mailing list is dominated by people posting first about
> phones, which then devolves into cooking, the noise factor becomes too
> great, in Jeffrey’s NSHO.  (And for the record, Jeffrey does enjoy cooking,
> but this is again, in his opinion, not the place to discuss that).  And when
> the cooking frenzy dies down, no doubt something else will come along to
> replace it.
>
>
>
> Jeffrey is pleased by some of the responses that people have posted for
> Windows problems (even though they are not directly relevant to work he is
> currently doing), and he has save some of those responses for future
> reference.  There are some very intelligent and helpful people on this list.
>
>
>
> Nevertheless (again, in Jeffrey’s NSHO), no one on the list should have to
> filter a significant number of posts or set up rules or exclusions to get
> past the  “chaff” to find the “on topic” posts.
>
>
>
> Good bye to all.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Jeffrey and Mary Jane Harris
>
> VIPCS
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:38 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]
>
>
>
> Marked [OT] as I always do, when topic goes OT. You’ll find that most of
> the OT messages were, indeed, marked OT. Your email program should make it
> easy for you to create a rule to delete OT messages.
>
>
>
> I was, of course, one of the offenders today, and make no apologies for
> that.
>
>
>
> I once felt the way you do – and, in fact, resigned from the list for a few
> months because of it. But the value of the list drew me back.
>
>
>
> I’ve been on this list, except for that few month absence, since 1999. This
> is a community. I’ve made some great friends from this list. I’ve shared a
> lot of drinks and dinners at conferences with people on this list. My
> largest customer of the last five years contacted me from this list.
> Sometimes – we go OT. Just like “NBA Fever” or “World Cup Soccer Fever” can
> overtake the water cooler in an office. I don’t regard it as a big deal.
> Your mileage may vary.
>
>
>
> I do encourage everyone else – when a topic goes OT, mark it [OT].
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* VIPCS [mailto:vi...@stny.rr.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?)
>
>
>
> Guys (and Ladies):
>
>
>
> This is supposed to be a “NT” System Admins issues mailing list.  Can you
> please take this discussion to a separate mailing list?  We received 98 new
> messages this morning, and most of them were follow-ups to this thread.
>
>
>
> (And yes, we deleted them unread, but it is still frustrating to have to
> pick and chose messages to delete.)
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Jeffrey and Mary Jane Harris
>
> VIPCS
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:44 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: What's Your Phone?
>
>
>
> Damn, sounds like a deal to me…  Kenai River means wild caught, means
> better flavor !
>
>
>
> Salmon smoked best low, low heat about 4 to 6 hours I only use a mild salt
> not much other spice needed, unless a quick soy-maple marinade first.
>
>
>
> *Erik Goldoff***
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:36 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone?
>
>
>
> You guys are killing me with all of this food talk and it's only 7:30am
> here.
>
>
>
> So which one of you Smoker experts is good with salmon? I'll make somebody
> a deal. I've got a freezer full of salmon filets (Kenai River Red Salmon -
> Alaska). I can cook fish, but I've never been into smoking it. I'll send
> someone a box full of filets, cover the shipping, if you smoke it and send
> me back half of it...the other half you keep for yourself. Sound reasonable?
>
>
>
>
>
> - Sean
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle <
> jra...@eaglemds.com> wrote:
>
> Sounds like frying a turkey… mmm
>
>
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
> *www.eaglemds.com
>   --
>
> *From:* Alan D

Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?)

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

It always is when you subscribe to a large as well as busy list.  Might I
suggest subject/conversation filtering? For instance, Gmail has a wonderful
"ignore conversation" feature.

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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:49 AM, VIPCS  wrote:

> (And yes, we deleted them unread, but it is still frustrating to have to
> pick and chose messages to delete.)

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Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Tom Miller]

I think I got it.  It was a vlan issue - part my fault, part the ISPs. 
The ISP was expecting an additional vlan at each site for non-realtime
traffic.  We don't have IP telephony here and won't for at least a year,
so until that time I was going to just use one vlan until we go to IP
telephony.  That's the issue.  A second was not seen for standard
traffic, and is needed by the ISP.  So I'll create one and then
according to my sales rep (who was very helpful) I should see the full
bandwidth usage.
 
Folks thanks for your recommendations and comments.
 
Tom

>>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 3:21 PM >>>
Well, that is interesting. I'd be pushing further in that direction. In
my opinion this isn't your problem to solve, but theirs. Yes, I know
that's not entirely helpful or accurate, but your ISP ignoring something
can probably be tested is suspicous.
If the sales engineer is blowing smoke, I'd begin to become more
insistent about trying some different solutions at the troublesome
sites, such as updated equipment at a test site... 
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:


All WAN sites have identical hardware, identical firmware. And on most
of them I'm even using the same port. I rebuilt the network a few years
back and purchased new equipment for every site. 
My ISP sales engineer sent me a message a moment ago that this is a
"simple fix" and they might have done something wrong with the VLANs on
their side. I'll know shortly.
The only thing I can say is at the "good" sites the ISP put in brand
new hardware and also brought fiber to the sites. The other sites are
using existing hardware, maybe installed a few years ago. I mentioned
this to my ISP and was promptly ignored.

>>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 3:03 PM >>> 
Are there any sites that have good performance, and can you identify
whether the hardware at those sites is the same? I think someone else
alluded to differences in hardware at your various sites could be a
problem. I'd start looking in that direction.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:


Back to my original question, speed tests tell me I am only getting
minimum bandwidth at all sites - not cool. So this might be part of the
issue I am having with my ME. This might be part of the issue.

>>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 2:46 PM >>> 

Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
And even then, what happens when they oops?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:


The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E. 
Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too. We live it here in health care. 

>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM
>>>

Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled
network, would be my reasoning.
Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
firewall your ISP connection???
We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just
to be able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?








Firewall? Why are you routing that through a firewall? Our setup is our
ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro
E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul



From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?


Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc…


Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c – 312.731.3132



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?



Folks,



I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.




What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit. Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc. I've been working with my provider to get this resolved. First they
thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and
my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100). That's not
working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway). I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.



Anyone else have these issues with conversion? Some sites are fine,
others are not. All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports. 



I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have

Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Jonathan Link]

Oh noes, you're gonna get the Cancer.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:35 PM,  wrote:

>
> I got curious and decided to combine the topic with the OT.  I tried
> smoking a pork chop over some old cell phones we have here...
>
> Lots of aromatic smoke, but it tasted really really bad!  :-@
>
> Kevin Lundy  wrote on 01/05/2011 02:32:57 PM:
>
>
> > You a NC boy?  My first job was right up the road in Lexington.  1/4
> > mile from the award winning BBQ pit named "Lexington #1".
>
>  >
> > I'm sure my folks dined at Pat & Mick's.  I've been looking for a
> > good red slaw recipe, so THANKS.
>
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael B. Smith  > > wrote:
> > My very first job was in a fish house (Pat & Mick’s in New London,
> > NC). This is very close to the recipe we used: http://www.slashfood.
> > com/2009/01/03/north-carolina-bbq-slaw/
> >
> > Except instead of ketchup/BBQ-sauce, we used tomatoes.
> >
> > Pat & Mick’s seated 900…yes, 900 people. Folks came from all over
> > the Piedmont. On Friday and Saturday nights, we’d turn the tables 4
> > or 5 times. We’d make 175 GALLONS of red slaw a night.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
> >
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:53 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
> >
> > Got a good RED slaw recipe ?
> >
> > Erik Goldoff
> > IT  Consultant
> > Systems, Networks, & Security
> > '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
> >
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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Jacob]

I say no less than 4. Never know what you will encounter...  

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

I'd say at least 2 hours / machine. Of course, it could take less than that,
but to be thorough, I'd estimate 2 hours per machine.



From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
like this?

Unpack, inventory new hardware
Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped) Do an inventory
of old system (Software, files, asset tags) Backup/Migrate data (Files,
Outlook PSTs) Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
Point to correct network printer Configure Outlook/PST Box up old PC


TIA,

Sam
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Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[RichardMcClary]

I got curious and decided to combine the topic with the OT.  I tried 
smoking a pork chop over some old cell phones we have here...

Lots of aromatic smoke, but it tasted really really bad!  :-@

Kevin Lundy  wrote on 01/05/2011 02:32:57 PM:

> You a NC boy?  My first job was right up the road in Lexington.  1/4
> mile from the award winning BBQ pit named "Lexington #1".  
>  
> I'm sure my folks dined at Pat & Mick's.  I've been looking for a 
> good red slaw recipe, so THANKS.

> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael B. Smith  > wrote:
> My very first job was in a fish house (Pat & Mick?s in New London, 
> NC). This is very close to the recipe we used: http://www.slashfood.
> com/2009/01/03/north-carolina-bbq-slaw/
>  
> Except instead of ketchup/BBQ-sauce, we used tomatoes.
>  
> Pat & Mick?s seated 900?yes, 900 people. Folks came from all over 
> the Piedmont. On Friday and Saturday nights, we?d turn the tables 4 
> or 5 times. We?d make 175 GALLONS of red slaw a night.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>  
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:53 AM 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>  
> Got a good RED slaw recipe ?
>  
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security 
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>  
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Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Kevin Lundy]

You a NC boy?  My first job was right up the road in Lexington.  1/4 mile
from the award winning BBQ pit named "Lexington #1".

I'm sure my folks dined at Pat & Mick's.  I've been looking for a good red
slaw recipe, so THANKS.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  My very first job was in a fish house (Pat & Mick’s in New London, NC).
> This is very close to the recipe we used:
> http://www.slashfood.com/2009/01/03/north-carolina-bbq-slaw/
>
>
>
> Except instead of ketchup/BBQ-sauce, we used tomatoes.
>
>
>
> Pat & Mick’s seated 900…yes, 900 people. Folks came from all over the
> Piedmont. On Friday and Saturday nights, we’d turn the tables 4 or 5 times.
> We’d make 175 GALLONS of red slaw a night.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
>
> *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:53 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> Got a good RED slaw recipe ?
>
>
>
> *Erik Goldoff***
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
>

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Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Jonathan Link]

And then there was the time where I had to install multiple (5?) versions of
Quickbooks on a new workstation (few years ago)...  *shudder*

And the alternative was much worse...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Charlie Kaiser wrote:

> ~2 hours per machine. Data files and additional programs should be
> identified/evaluated to ensure timing, but as long as the media is
> available
> and the installs are nominal, About 2 hours would be doable.
> The number of machines would have a bearing on it, too...
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:51 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?
> >
> > Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
> like this?
> >
> >
> >
> > Unpack, inventory new hardware
> >
> > Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
> >
> > Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
> >
> > Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
> >
> > Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
> >
> > Point to correct network printer
> >
> > Configure Outlook/PST
> >
> > Box up old PC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sam
> >
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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Charlie Kaiser]

~2 hours per machine. Data files and additional programs should be
identified/evaluated to ensure timing, but as long as the media is available
and the installs are nominal, About 2 hours would be doable.
The number of machines would have a bearing on it, too...

***
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charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  


> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?
> 
> Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
like this?
> 
> 
> 
> Unpack, inventory new hardware
> 
> Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
> 
> Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
> 
> Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
> 
> Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
> 
> Point to correct network printer
> 
> Configure Outlook/PST
> 
> Box up old PC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 
> 
> Sam
> 
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RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Rod Trent]

Not a lot of people eat opossum anymore.

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

 

What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

 

Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it 
depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ is 
different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to be a 
matter of preference. 

In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by and 
had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some BBQ when 
he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite interesting. 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:

Don’t call me a farily.

 

J

 

Oh believe me – I KNOW what’s right – Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ 
sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. J

 

Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog (a 
pig pickin’) or pork butt.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

 

I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen people 
come to blows farily quickly. :-)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:

Ok, I can go along with that. :-)

 

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
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-Original Message-

From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.


Michael B. Smith wrote:

> What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork shoulder?
>
> Regards,
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or 4 
> years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT the 
> same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and makes a 
> GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
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Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Jonathan Link]

Soaking one's meat or oneself in bourbon doesn't count as BBQ. :-)


My, that is an interesting sentence...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:

>  What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it
> depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ
> is different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to
> be a matter of preference.
>
> In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by
> and had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some
> BBQ when he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite
> interesting.
>
>   On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t call me a farily.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Oh believe me – I KNOW what’s right – Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ
> sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. J
>
>
>
> Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog
> (a pig pickin’) or pork butt.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
>
>
> I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen
> people come to blows farily quickly. :-)
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, I can go along with that. :-)
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.
>
>
> Michael B. Smith wrote:
>
> > What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork
> shoulder?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
> >
> > For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or
> 4 years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT
> the same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and
> makes a GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
> >
> >
> > Erik Goldoff
> > IT  Consultant
> > Systems, Networks, & Security
> >
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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Sam Cayze]

Thanks guys!  There are all the specs I have to work with.

But now I also now some great questions to ask.

 

Thanks for letting me bounce this off you.

 

Sam

 

From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@ur.msu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

 

2 hours per machine sounds pretty good. Obvious economies of scale in
power-up for initial image since I can unbox and power several machines at
once if I'm provided with enough working space. The longest components are
usually backups and reinstallation/migration since that can range wildly
depending on network performance, sizes, etc.

 


Jack Kramer
Computer Systems Specialist
University Relations, Michigan State University
w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955

 

From: Sam Cayze 
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:51:21 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

 

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
like this?

 

Unpack, inventory new hardware

Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)

Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)

Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)

Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image

Point to correct network printer

Configure Outlook/PST

Box up old PC

 

 

TIA,

 

Sam

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RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Maglinger, Paul]

+1

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

Stu, we need a cooking list... :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Erik Goldoff 
mailto:egold...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Got a good RED slaw recipe ?

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security
'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle 
[mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:49 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

+1

Don't forget the RED slaw and hush puppies!

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com

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Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Jonathan Link]

Well, that is interesting.  I'd be pushing further in that direction.  In my
opinion this isn't your problem to solve, but theirs.  Yes, I know that's
not entirely helpful or accurate, but your ISP ignoring something can
probably be tested is suspicous.

If the sales engineer is blowing smoke, I'd begin to become more insistent
about trying some different solutions at the troublesome sites, such as
updated equipment at a test site...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:

>  All WAN sites have identical hardware, identical firmware.  And on most
> of them I'm even using the same port.  I rebuilt the network a few years
> back and purchased new equipment for every site.
>
> My ISP sales engineer sent me a message a moment ago that this is a "simple
> fix" and they might have done something wrong with the VLANs on their side.
> I'll know shortly.
>
> The only thing I can say is at the "good" sites the ISP put in brand new
> hardware and also brought fiber to the sites.  The other sites are using
> existing hardware, maybe installed  a few years ago.  I mentioned this to my
> ISP and was promptly ignored.
>
> >>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 3:03 PM >>>
>
> Are there any sites that have good performance, and can you identify
> whether the hardware at those sites is the same? I think someone else
> alluded to differences in hardware at your various sites could be a problem.
> I'd start looking in that direction.
>
>  On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:
>
>>  Back to my original question, speed tests tell me I am only getting
>> minimum bandwidth at all sites - not cool. So this might be part of the
>> issue I am having with my ME. This might be part of the issue.
>>
>> >>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 2:46 PM >>>
>>
>> Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
>> And even then, what happens when they oops?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:
>>
>>>  The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E.
>>>  Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too. We live it here in health care.
>>>
>>> >>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM >>>
>>>
>>> Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled
>>> network, would be my reasoning.
>>>
>>> Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
>>> firewall your ISP connection???
>>>
>>> We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just to
>>> be able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?
>>>
>>>  Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
>>> Technology Coordinator
>>> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
>>> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
>>> *www.eaglemds.com
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
>>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>>>
>>> Firewall? Why are you routing that through a firewall? Our setup is
>>> our ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro
>>> E.
>>>
>>> >>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
>>>
>>> We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
>>> tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg
>>> to the West Coast.
>>>
>>> Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>   *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>>>
>>> *Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
>>> way, could be bad cabling, etc…*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Thanks,*
>>>
>>> *Brian Desmond*
>>>
>>> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *c – 312.731.3132*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Metro Ethernet ?
>>>
>>>  Folks,
>>>
>>>  I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.
>>>
>>>
>>>  What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
>>> the point to point circuit. Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.
>>> I've been working with my provider to get this resolved. First they thought
>>> it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment
>>> were changed to the same setting (full 100). That's not working and now
>>> we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).
>>> I can also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was
>>> hoping to avoid it.
>>>
>>>  Anyone else have these issues with conversion? Some sites are fine,
>>> others are not. All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk
>>> ports.
>>>
>>>  I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
>>> anyone have any that would be best for this scenario? I have Praesser but I
>>> really need a site to site test/analysis tool. I just downloaded Qch

RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]

[Maglinger, Paul]

What?!? No mention of Kentucky BBQ?!?

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

Hmm I am from Texas. I have also have traveled alot. It seems that it 
depends on where you are at that the definition of BBQ changes. Kansas BBQ is 
different than Oklahoma, Texas different than Georgia. It also seems to be a 
matter of preference.

In 'Feasting on Asphalt', Alton Brown comments on this, as they stopped by and 
had a BBQ sandwich that had the tangy vinegar sauce. He also had some BBQ when 
he got to middle of the country. His observations are quite interesting.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Don’t call me a farily.

☺

Oh believe me – I KNOW what’s right – Carolina BBQ with spicy vinegar BBQ 
sauce. But I allow other people to be wrong. ☺

Plenty of variation available with whether you make your BBQ from whole hog (a 
pig pickin’) or pork butt.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:15 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

I'm suprised at the decorum on this list when discussing BBQ.  I've seen people 
come to blows farily quickly. :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Ok, I can go along with that. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries 
[mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone? [OT]

technically a whole shoulder includes the butt.


Michael B. Smith wrote:
> What do you consider the difference between a pork butt and a pork shoulder?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? [OT]
>
> For about $150 I did get a decent smoker from Walmart that's lasted 3 or 4 
> years outside so far, great for smoked pork butt and pork shoulder ( NOT the 
> same cut here ), also good for sausage,  salmon, chicken, turkey, and makes a 
> GREAT smoked standing prime rib roast !!!
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
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>
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Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Tom Miller]

All WAN sites have identical hardware, identical firmware.  And on most
of them I'm even using the same port.  I rebuilt the network a few years
back and purchased new equipment for every site.  
 
My ISP sales engineer sent me a message a moment ago that this is a
"simple fix" and they might have done something wrong with the VLANs on
their side.  I'll know shortly.
 
The only thing I can say is at the "good" sites the ISP put in brand
new hardware and also brought fiber to the sites.  The other sites are
using existing hardware, maybe installed  a few years ago.  I mentioned
this to my ISP and was promptly ignored.

>>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 3:03 PM >>>
Are there any sites that have good performance, and can you identify
whether the hardware at those sites is the same? I think someone else
alluded to differences in hardware at your various sites could be a
problem. I'd start looking in that direction.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:


Back to my original question, speed tests tell me I am only getting
minimum bandwidth at all sites - not cool. So this might be part of the
issue I am having with my ME. This might be part of the issue.

>>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 2:46 PM >>> 

Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
And even then, what happens when they oops?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:


The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E. 
Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too. We live it here in health care. 

>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM
>>>

Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled
network, would be my reasoning.
Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
firewall your ISP connection???
We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just
to be able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?






Firewall? Why are you routing that through a firewall? Our setup is our
ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro
E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul



From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?


Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc…


Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c – 312.731.3132



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?



Folks,



I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.




What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit. Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc. I've been working with my provider to get this resolved. First they
thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and
my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100). That's not
working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway). I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.



Anyone else have these issues with conversion? Some sites are fine,
others are not. All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports. 



I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have any that would be best for this scenario? I have Praesser
but I really need a site to site test/analysis tool. I just downloaded
Qcheck and will see if that does it. I've also asked my provider to give
me some statistics on traffic they see.



Recommendations and comments welcome.









Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Kramer, Jack]

2 hours per machine sounds pretty good. Obvious economies of scale in power-up 
for initial image since I can unbox and power several machines at once if I'm 
provided with enough working space. The longest components are usually backups 
and reinstallation/migration since that can range wildly depending on network 
performance, sizes, etc.


Jack Kramer
Computer Systems Specialist
University Relations, Michigan State University
w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955

From: Sam Cayze mailto:sca...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:51:21 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something like 
this?

Unpack, inventory new hardware
Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
Point to correct network printer
Configure Outlook/PST
Box up old PC


TIA,

Sam

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Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Jonathan Link]

You're risking a lot, probably more than anyone in the organization knows.
I can understand how you might be reluctant to go to your superiors and say
we need more $$$ if this was your project and you didn't add a VPN to your
budget.  Regardless, someone at a director level needs to sign off on this,
and you need to keep that documentation, or you're the one who's going to be
left holding the bag when it goes south.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:

>  I did ask my ISP for further information on data integrity/security.  On
> our point to points it was not an issue.  I see what you mean, but I don't
> currently have the hardware for VPN to all of my Metro-E sites.  This is
> Virginia, and Virginia, despite it's wealth, funds public health very poorly
> and we in IT in public health have to make do.  (I think I read that
> Virginia funds public health less than most of the poorest states).
>
> I know, I know, get out the violins...  But when I was an IT contractor for
> Federal Government locations there was money to burn.
>
> >>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:51 PM >>>
>
> +100
>
>
>
> Exactly. All it takes is one fumble-fingered “engineer” to open up my
> “private” Metro-E WAN to someone else’s network. Who’s going to report that
> to me? The local news, that’s who. Hello Medicare and HIPAA audit…
>
>
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
>
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> *
> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
> *www.eaglemds.com
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:47 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
>
> And even then, what happens when they oops?
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:
>
> The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E.
>
>
>
> Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too.  We live it here in health care.
>
> >>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM >>>
>
> Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled network,
> would be my reasoning.
>
> Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
> firewall your ISP connection???
>
> We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just to be
> able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?
>
>
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
> *www.eaglemds.com
>  --
>
> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our
> ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.
>
> >>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
>
> We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
> tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg
> to the West Coast.
>
> Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> *Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
> way, could be bad cabling, etc…*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
>
> I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.
>
>
>
> What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the
> point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.
> I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought
> it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment
> were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now
> we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps
> anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA
> and I was hoping to avoid it.
>
>
>
> Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others
> are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.
>
>
>
> I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
> anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I
> really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and
> will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some
> statistics on traffic they see.
>
>
>
> Recommendations and comments welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> T

Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Jonathan Link]

Are there any sites that have good performance, and can you identify whether
the hardware at those sites is the same?  I think someone else alluded to
differences in hardware at your various sites could be a problem.  I'd start
looking in that direction.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:

> Back to my original question, speed tests tell me I am only getting minimum
> bandwidth at all sites - not cool.  So this might be part of the issue I am
> having with my ME.  This might be part of the issue.
>
> >>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 2:46 PM >>>
>
> Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
> And even then, what happens when they oops?
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:
>
>>  The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E.
>>  Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too. We live it here in health care.
>>
>> >>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM >>>
>>
>> Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled
>> network, would be my reasoning.
>>
>> Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
>> firewall your ISP connection???
>>
>> We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just to
>> be able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?
>>
>>  Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
>> Technology Coordinator
>> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
>> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
>> *www.eaglemds.com
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>>
>>Firewall? Why are you routing that through a firewall? Our setup is
>> our ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro
>> E.
>>
>> >>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
>>
>> We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
>> tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg
>> to the West Coast.
>>
>> Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>   *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>>
>> *Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
>> way, could be bad cabling, etc…*
>>
>> **
>>
>> *Thanks,*
>>
>> *Brian Desmond*
>>
>> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>>
>> **
>>
>> *c – 312.731.3132*
>>
>> **
>>
>> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Metro Ethernet ?
>>
>>  Folks,
>>
>>  I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.
>>
>>  What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
>> the point to point circuit. Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.
>> I've been working with my provider to get this resolved. First they thought
>> it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment
>> were changed to the same setting (full 100). That's not working and now
>> we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).
>> I can also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was
>> hoping to avoid it.
>>
>>  Anyone else have these issues with conversion? Some sites are fine,
>> others are not. All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk
>> ports.
>>
>>  I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
>> anyone have any that would be best for this scenario? I have Praesser but I
>> really need a site to site test/analysis tool. I just downloaded Qcheck and
>> will see if that does it. I've also asked my provider to give me some
>> statistics on traffic they see.
>>
>>  Recommendations and comments welcome.
>>
>>Tom Miller
>> Engineer, Information Technology
>> Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
>> 757-788-0528
>>
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Re: What's Your Phone?

[James Kerr]

No, I will say stop walking around in public wearing your trousers.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bill Humphries  wrote:

next you are going to tell me to stop walking around in public wearing my 
pants?


James Kerr wrote:

  Forgot your guys definition of grilling is different, for us THAT is 
broiling. You guys shouldn't be allowed to call a grill a BBQ in my opinion. 
BBQ is low temp, indirect heat. I wince when people call grilling BBQ, they do 
it in the States also.

  That being said, I do love a Saturday night "mixed grill" with rashers, 
sausages, black and white pudding. I can buy those things here but they're 
expensive.

  James



  - Original Message - From: "Alan Davies" 


  To: "NT System Admin Issues" 

  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:00 AM

  Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?



  Well .. you can certainly get smokers over here, but they're not 
particularly popular (probably because we don't have long hot summers very 
often where things stay pleasant and dry!).  They're certainly not a BBQ. And a 
BBQ means fuel fed from below (ie. coal, not cheating with gas), not a grill 
per se, which is normally heat from above with the meat on a wire grill.  
American diners call those hot plate thingies a grill (a hibachi to me!).  But 
then you guys "broil" things, which just isn't a real word at all!! ;P


  a
  -Original Message-
  From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
  Sent: 05 January 2011 15:33

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?


  Ah ok but what you refer to as a BBQ is really a grill. BBQ is smoked 
food, made in a smoker. My propane grill cost me about 80 bucks and its lasted 
about 3 years but its time for a new one. The humidity and heat where I live 
kills metal.

  James



  - Original Message -
  From: "Alan Davies" 
  To: "NT System Admin Issues" 

  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:34 AM
  Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?



  I meant the trend to spend a lot on outdoor cooking facilities!  Most BBQs
  over here are £15 B&Q jobs .. which are absolutely fine as long as you 
don't
  expect them to last 10 years out in the wind and rain!


  a

  -Original Message-
  From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
  Sent: 05 January 2011 13:23

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?


  Caja Chinas are not American, they are Cuban and many Cubans make them
  themselves.

  James


  - Original Message -
  From: "Alan Davies" 
  To: "NT System Admin Issues" 

  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:40 AM
  Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?



  Good Lord!  Here was me thinking $700 was a tad expensive for an egg and
  you come out with a $1200 cooking table!  Must be an American thing 



  a

  -Original Message-
  From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org]
  Sent: 04 January 2011 20:11

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?


  I cook my pigs in a box.

  http://lacajachina.com/



  -Original Message-

  From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:24 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?


  my family refers to my smoked pork butt as "meat candy".  i usually chop
  it and they eat it off the platter like finger food.

  Bill


  Steve Ens wrote:

I'd like to see your smoked pork shoulder.  Recipe that is.  I make a
mean batch as well. We could have NT list cookoff.  Stu, will Sunbelt
sponsor something like this?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Charlie Kaiser
mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org>> wrote:

   +1. I'm definitely the chef in the household. I'll put my smoked

  pork

   shoulder and BBQ sauce up against anyone's... :-)

   ***

   Charlie Kaiser
   charl...@golden-eagle.org 
   Kingman, AZ
   ***



   > -Original Message-
   > From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com

   ]
   > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:07 AM
   > To: NT System Admin Issues
   > Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
   >

   > I like to cook as well and continue to be surprised at the
   number of men
   that do.
   >
   > Hey Stu!  How about a recipe forum?




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Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Same here. Allow buffer time for anything that should come up. 2 hours
sounds good. Now, if you had all of the software on the image, and the users
had files saved on their network share, you could do this around an hour.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:59 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> I'd say at least 2 hours / machine. Of course, it could take less than
> that,
> but to be thorough, I'd estimate 2 hours per machine.
>
>
>
> From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?
>
> Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
> like this?
>
> Unpack, inventory new hardware
> Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
> Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
> Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
> Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
> Point to correct network printer
> Configure Outlook/PST
> Box up old PC
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Sam
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Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Steve Ens]

Hey Sam
Depends on how many machines...since you can do a few at a time.  It will
vary depending on some of the variables.  If you are imaging, then do one
and ghost the others.  If you are using the vendor's image, that takes a
long time since there is always crapware to remove.  Otherwise you could
bill two hours per machine I would think.
Steve

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

>  Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
> like this?
>
>
>
> Unpack, inventory new hardware
>
> Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
>
> Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
>
> Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
>
> Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
>
> Point to correct network printer
>
> Configure Outlook/PST
>
> Box up old PC
>
>
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
> Sam
>
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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Tom Miller]

I did ask my ISP for further information on data integrity/security.  On
our point to points it was not an issue.  I see what you mean, but I
don't currently have the hardware for VPN to all of my Metro-E sites. 
This is Virginia, and Virginia, despite it's wealth, funds public health
very poorly and we in IT in public health have to make do.  (I think I
read that Virginia funds public health less than most of the poorest
states).
 
I know, I know, get out the violins...  But when I was an IT contractor
for Federal Government locations there was money to burn.

>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:51 PM
>>>

+100
 
Exactly. All it takes is one fumble-fingered “engineer” to open up my
“private” Metro-E WAN to someone else’s network. Who’s going to
report that to me? The local news, that’s who. Hello Medicare and HIPAA
audit…
 

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com ( BLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com )
www.eaglemds.com ( BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ ) 


From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...

And even then, what happens when they oops?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:

The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E.  

 

Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too.  We live it here in health care. 

>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM
>>>

Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled
network, would be my reasoning.
Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
firewall your ISP connection???
We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just
to be able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?
 

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 
Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is
our ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for
Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul
 
 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 
Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc…
 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com
 
c   – 312.731.3132

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Folks,

 

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.


 

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc.  I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First
they thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment
and my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's
not working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.

 

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine,
others are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports.  

 

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser
but I really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded
Qcheck and will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to
give me some statistics on traffic they see.

 

Recommendations and comments welcome.

 

 

 

 

Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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Re: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Jonathan Link]

See in line, lots of variables, so it's tough to give you a good range.
Also, if this is more than one computer, you can achieve economies of scale
in certain areas...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

>  Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
> like this?
>
>
>
> Unpack, inventory new hardware
>
15 minutes

>  Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
>
15-30 minutes

>  Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
>
15+ minutes

>  Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
>
Depends on network or media speeds

>  Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
>
Depends on how many apps and the particulars of the app

>  Point to correct network printer
>
5 minutes

>  Configure Outlook/PST
>
Are you also importing the old PST?  Then how big is it?

>  Box up old PC
>
I wouldn't do this, unless I was asked to do it.  Then it would be 15
minutes

>
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
> Sam
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RE: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[John Aldrich]

I'd say at least 2 hours / machine. Of course, it could take less than that,
but to be thorough, I'd estimate 2 hours per machine.



From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC Migration / Time Estimate?

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
like this?

Unpack, inventory new hardware
Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)
Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)
Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)
Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image
Point to correct network printer
Configure Outlook/PST
Box up old PC


TIA,

Sam
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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[John Aldrich]

Ahh... Ok. Gotcha. Haven't been following this thread *that* closely... I 
thought this was an internet Metro E connection. :-)



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Nooo.  The Internet connection is separate from our ME connections.  Internet 
traffic is of course firewalled.  

>>> "John Aldrich"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM >>>
You put "live" internet directly into your production network??? We have Metro 
E here, but only about 2 Megabit, as that's sufficient for our needs. It goes 
from our ISP's equipment to our ASA and from there it goes into various 
switches for the network.



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our ISP's 
equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we tested 
10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg to the 
West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul


From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the way, 
could be bad cabling, etc…

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

Folks,

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet. 

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.  

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.

Recommendations and comments welcome.




Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Tom Miller]

Back to my original question, speed tests tell me I am only getting
minimum bandwidth at all sites - not cool.  So this might be part of the
issue I am having with my ME.  This might be part of the issue.

>>> Jonathan Link  1/5/2011 2:46 PM >>>
Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
And even then, what happens when they oops?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:


The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E. 
Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too. We live it here in health care. 

>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM
>>>

Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled
network, would be my reasoning.
Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
firewall your ISP connection???
We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just
to be able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?




Firewall? Why are you routing that through a firewall? Our setup is our
ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro
E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul



From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?


Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc…


Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c – 312.731.3132



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?



Folks,



I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.




What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit. Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc. I've been working with my provider to get this resolved. First they
thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and
my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100). That's not
working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway). I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.



Anyone else have these issues with conversion? Some sites are fine,
others are not. All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports. 



I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have any that would be best for this scenario? I have Praesser
but I really need a site to site test/analysis tool. I just downloaded
Qcheck and will see if that does it. I've also asked my provider to give
me some statistics on traffic they see.



Recommendations and comments welcome.









Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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PC Migration / Time Estimate?

[Sam Cayze]

Techs/Consultants, how much time-onsite would you estimate for something
like this?

 

Unpack, inventory new hardware

Power up new PC so the image finishes (They are syspreped)

Do an inventory of old system (Software, files, asset tags)

Backup/Migrate data (Files, Outlook PSTs)

Re-install any approved programs that were not of the image

Point to correct network printer

Configure Outlook/PST

Box up old PC

 

 

TIA,

 

Sam


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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

+100

Exactly. All it takes is one fumble-fingered "engineer" to open up my "private" 
Metro-E WAN to someone else's network. Who's going to report that to me? The 
local news, that's who. Hello Medicare and HIPAA audit...


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Metro Ethernet ?

Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
And even then, what happens when they oops?
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller 
mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org>> wrote:
The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E.

Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too.  We live it here in health care.

>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle" mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com>> 
>>> 1/5/2011 2:42 PM >>>
Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled network, 
would be my reasoning.
Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not firewall 
your ISP connection???
We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just to be 
able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our ISP's 
equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett" 
>>> mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org>> 
>>> 1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we tested 
10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg to the 
West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn't handle the throughput.
Paul


From: Brian Desmond 
[mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the way, 
could be bad cabling, etc...

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

Folks,

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.

Recommendations and comments welcome.




Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Jonathan Link]

I think I mentioned it a couplatimes.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Charlie Kaiser wrote:

> Hey; we asked him for a separate forum... :-)
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]
> >
> > I think Stu is still on holidays, otherwise he would be on this thread
> like a dirty shirt.
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Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Jonathan Link]

Yes, but is that spelled out in an SLA...
And even then, what happens when they oops?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Miller  wrote:

>  The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E.
>
> Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too.  We live it here in health care.
>
> >>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM >>>
>
> Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled network,
> would be my reasoning.
>
> Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
> firewall your ISP connection???
>
> We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just to be
> able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?
>
>
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
> *www.eaglemds.com
>  --
>
> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
>  *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our
> ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.
>
> >>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
>
> We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
> tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg
> to the West Coast.
>
> Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> *Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
> way, could be bad cabling, etc…*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
>
> I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.
>
>
>
> What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the
> point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.
> I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought
> it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment
> were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now
> we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps
> anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA
> and I was hoping to avoid it.
>
>
>
> Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others
> are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.
>
>
>
> I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
> anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I
> really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and
> will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some
> statistics on traffic they see.
>
>
>
> Recommendations and comments welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Miller
> Engineer, Information Technology
> Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
> 757-788-0528
>
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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Tom Miller]

Nooo.  The Internet connection is separate from our ME connections. 
Internet traffic is of course firewalled.  

>>> "John Aldrich"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM >>>
You put "live" internet directly into your production network??? We
have Metro E here, but only about 2 Megabit, as that's sufficient for
our needs. It goes from our ISP's equipment to our ASA and from there it
goes into various switches for the network.



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is
our ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for
Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul


From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc…

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

Folks,

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.


What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc.  I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First
they thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment
and my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's
not working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine,
others are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports.  

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser
but I really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded
Qcheck and will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to
give me some statistics on traffic they see.

Recommendations and comments welcome.




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Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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RE: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Charlie Kaiser]

Hey; we asked him for a separate forum... :-)

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> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]
> 
> I think Stu is still on holidays, otherwise he would be on this thread
like a dirty shirt.



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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Tom Miller]

The ISP tells me that only we can see our data on Metro E.  
 
Thanks, I can spell HIPAA too.  We live it here in health care. 

>>> "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle"  1/5/2011 2:42 PM
>>>

Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled
network, would be my reasoning.
Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not
firewall your ISP connection???
We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just
to be able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?
 

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
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From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 
Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is
our ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for
Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul
 
 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 
Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc…
 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com
 
c   – 312.731.3132

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Folks,

 

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.


 

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc.  I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First
they thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment
and my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's
not working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.

 

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine,
others are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports.  

 

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser
but I really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded
Qcheck and will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to
give me some statistics on traffic they see.

 

Recommendations and comments welcome.

 

 

 

 

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Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Jonathan Link]

Nothing's perfect.  I believe Outlook 2010 does pretty well with this list,
but I may be jumping to a conclusion.  Gmail has issues sometimes.  It's
annoying when I see a thread broken up into multiple pieces, sometimes all
the responses of one person get their own thread...



On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Mike Leone  wrote:

> On 1/5/2011 2:30 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
> > get a threaded mail reader, and then pay attention to only the
> > threads that might interest you.
>
> I use Thunderbird, and it will thread. But not this list ... it threads
> other lists, such as the ActiveDir list.But this list doesn't thread,
> whereas the other mailing list to this account does show as threaded ...
>
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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[John Aldrich]

You put "live" internet directly into your production network??? We have Metro 
E here, but only about 2 Megabit, as that's sufficient for our needs. It goes 
from our ISP's equipment to our ASA and from there it goes into various 
switches for the network.



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our ISP's 
equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we tested 
10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg to the 
West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul


From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the way, 
could be bad cabling, etc…

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

Folks,
 
I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet. 
 
What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.
 
Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.  
 
I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.
 
Recommendations and comments welcome.
 
 
 
 
Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Mike Leone]

On 1/5/2011 2:30 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
> get a threaded mail reader, and then pay attention to only the
> threads that might interest you. 

I use Thunderbird, and it will thread. But not this list ... it threads
other lists, such as the ActiveDir list.But this list doesn't thread,
whereas the other mailing list to this account does show as threaded ...



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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Delineation of public/non-controlled network to private/controlled network, 
would be my reasoning.
Also, he is talking about an INTERNET connection. Why would you not firewall 
your ISP connection???
We run Cisco VPN across all of our (non-internet) Metro-E links, just to be 
able to say that we know our data is secure. HIPAA anyone?


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our ISP's 
equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we tested 
10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg to the 
West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn't handle the throughput.
Paul


From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the way, 
could be bad cabling, etc...

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

Folks,

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.

Recommendations and comments welcome.




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Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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Re: Metro Ethernet ?

[Jonathan Link]

Or Manufacturer/model.  I sometimes have suspicions of our Sonicwall TZ
170...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

>  And how old was this firewall?!
>
>
>
> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:37 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our
> ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.
>
> >>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>
>
> We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
> tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg
> to the West Coast.
>
> Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> *Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
> way, could be bad cabling, etc…*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Metro Ethernet ?
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
>
> I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.
>
>
>
> What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the
> point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.
> I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought
> it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment
> were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now
> we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps
> anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA
> and I was hoping to avoid it.
>
>
>
> Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others
> are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.
>
>
>
> I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
> anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I
> really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and
> will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some
> statistics on traffic they see.
>
>
>
> Recommendations and comments welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Miller
> Engineer, Information Technology
> Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
> 757-788-0528
>
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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Sam Cayze]

And how old was this firewall?!

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is our ISP's 
equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>

We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we tested 
10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only 1meg to the 
West Coast.

Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.

Paul

 

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the way, 
could be bad cabling, etc…

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c   – 312.731.3132

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Folks,

 

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet. 

 

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with the 
point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions, etc.  I've 
been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First they thought it was 
a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment and my equipment were 
changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's not working and now we'll 
probably change it to full 10 (since the allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can 
also do some rate shaping on my switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to 
avoid it.

 

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine, others are 
not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for trunk ports.  

 

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe, anyone 
have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser but I really 
need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded Qcheck and will see 
if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to give me some statistics on 
traffic they see.

 

Recommendations and comments welcome.

 

 

 

 

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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Tom Miller]

Firewall?  Why are you routing that through a firewall?  Our setup is
our ISP's equipment is connected directly to a second core switch for
Metro E.

>>> "Paul Everett"  1/5/2011 2:16 PM >>>

We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.
Our problem was our Firewall couldn’t handle the throughput.
Paul
 
 

From:Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 
Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc…
 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com
 
c   – 312.731.3132

 

From:Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Folks,

 

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet.


 

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc.  I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First
they thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment
and my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's
not working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.

 

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine,
others are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports.  

 

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser
but I really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded
Qcheck and will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to
give me some statistics on traffic they see.

 

Recommendations and comments welcome.

 

 

 

 

Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528
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Re: Upgrading VMware ESX 3.5 to 4.1 advice needed

[Mike Leone]

On 1/5/2011 2:06 PM, John Cook wrote:
> Do you have paid VMWare support? 

I do, luckily enough ...

> If so start a case, they'll spell out the options that exist. 

Yeah, I'm about to. I see this KB

"Migrating an existing vCenter Server database to 4.1 using the Data
Migration Tool"


Which says:

"There is no in-place upgrade path for vCenter Server installation on
32bit operating systems. If your vCenter Server is installed on a 32bit
operating system, you need to migrate to a 64bit operating system where
vCenter Server 4.1 can be installed."

Yeah, thanks. :-)

> I simply removed a host from my old VC (32 bit W2K3) and then added it to the 
> new one(64 bit W2K8R2), test, repeat as needed. My recent experience with 
> them was far superior to any other support group except Sunbelt/GFI

Did that keep all the DRS settings (such as "keep these 2 servers on the
same ESX host", etc)? And all the VM settings (such as reserve this much
memory on this VM?

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Re: Windows 2008R2 Update problems

[Jeff Bunting]

Got things working again!  For those who might encounter this in the future,
here's what I did:

Manually download and extract the KB2305420 update package.  (hint: rename
the file extension from msu to cab)

Extracted the two files that were being complained about in the system
update readiness log:
Package_for_KB2305420_RTM~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.1.3.mum
Package_for_KB2305420_RTM~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.1.3.cat

Overwrote the existing files in C:\windows\servicing\packages (this requires
taking ownership as it belongs to SYSTEM)

Reboot.

Reran the system update readiness tool to verify everything looked OK (after
seeing that there were no longer event log errors being written)

Change file ownership back to SYSTEM.

I was a bit surprised this did work since the files did already exist in
C:\windows\servicing\packages and the error about the filename mismatch was
referring to something else.

Jeff

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Jeff Bunting  wrote:

> I hadn't, but just tried it; the installer ran for a bit and said that it
> was already installed on the system.
>
> however, this was logged in the Setup log:
>
> Windows update  could not be installed because of error 2359302 "" (Command
> line: ""C:\Windows\system32\wusa.exe"
> "C:\Temp\Windows6.1-KB2305420-x64.msu"")
>
> Also noticed that the updates do indeed show as installed under Windows
> update history.  I was mistakenly looking in the wrong place earlier -
> (control panel, programs, programs and features, installed updates).
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Mayo, Bill wrote:
>
>>  Have you tried manually downloading and installing KB2305420?
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:20 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Windows 2008R2 Update problems
>>
>>  I would probably reregister msiexec and remove the softwaredistribution
>> folder. But for all I know, that might make things worse. :-P
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:15 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Windows 2008R2 Update problems
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm having a problem with updates on a Win2008R2 VM I'm trying to
>> resolve.
>>
>> Background info:
>> Server was current with patches through Nov. 2010.  I pushed out the
>> December updates internally with BladeLogic as this server doesn't have
>> internet access.  Updates failed and I found that someone had set disk
>> quotas which were being applied to NT SERVICE\TrustedInstaller and NT
>> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM.  I changed the quotas to unlimited for these two accounts
>> and retried the patch installation.
>>
>> According to the Setup log, all of the patches were successfully
>> installed.  However, on restart the Windows Modules Installer service keeps
>> crashing and retrying.
>>
>> Currently, the updates do not appear as installed updates in control
>> panel, and roles can not be added from server manager.
>>
>> I ran sfc /scannow which did not detect any problems.
>>
>> Lastly, I ran the System Update Readiness tool (KB947821) which logged the
>> following (below).  I'm not sure how to proceed from here.  any ideas
>> appreciated.
>>
>> =
>> Checking System Update Readiness.
>> Binary Version 6.1.7600.20822
>> Package Version 10.0
>> 2011-01-04 14:19
>>
>> Checking Windows Servicing Packages
>>
>> Checking Package Manifests and Catalogs
>> (f)CBS MUM Corrupt0x
>> servicing\Packages\Package_for_KB2305420_RTM~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.1.3.mum
>> Expected file name
>> Microsoft-Windows-Foundation-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.7600.16385.mum
>> does not match the actual file name
>>
>> Checking Package Watchlist
>>
>> Checking Component Watchlist
>>
>> Checking Packages
>>
>> Checking Component Store
>>
>> Summary:
>> Seconds executed: 838
>>  Found 1 errors
>>   CBS MUM Corrupt Total count: 1
>>
>> Unavailable repair files:
>>
>> servicing\packages\Package_for_KB2305420_RTM~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.1.3.mum
>> servicing\packages\Package_for_KB2305420_RTM~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~
>> 6.1.1.3.cat
>>
>> (w)Unable to get system disk properties0x045D
>> IOCTL_STORAGE_QUERY_PROPERTYDisk Cache
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jeff
>>
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RE: Metro Ethernet ?

[Paul Everett]

We recently went from a T1 Internet connection to 10meg Metro-E and we
tested 10 megs to our ISP, but only 5 to Miami, 3 to Atlanta, and only
1meg to the West Coast.

Our problem was our Firewall couldn't handle the throughput.

Paul

 

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Something is dirty somewhere. Could be a misconfigured port along the
way, could be bad cabling, etc...

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c   - 312.731.3132

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Metro Ethernet ?

 

Folks,

 

I am converting our network from point to point to MVLS/Metro Ethernet. 

 

What I am noticing at some sites is that performance is worse that with
the point to point circuit.  Ping times greatly increased, collisions,
etc.  I've been working with my provider to get this resolved.  First
they thought it was a speed mismatch issue, so the provider's equipment
and my equipment were changed to the same setting (full 100).  That's
not working and now we'll probably change it to full 10 (since the
allocation is 5 Mbps anyway).  I can also do some rate shaping on my
switches, but it's a PITA and I was hoping to avoid it.

 

Anyone else have these issues with conversion?  Some sites are fine,
others are not.  All have same switches, model, firmware, config for
trunk ports.  

 

I haven't pulled out my bag o software to look at what's on the pipe,
anyone have any that would be best for this scenario?  I have Praesser
but I really need a site to site test/analysis tool.  I just downloaded
Qcheck and will see if that does it.  I've also asked my provider to
give me some statistics on traffic they see.

 

Recommendations and comments welcome.

 

 

 

 

Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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Re: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Bill Humphries]

ok, i really, really like this OT, but this wil probably be last input.

3 years ago I got to be a judge at the Memphis in May BBQ championship.  
I judged shoulder, wings and whole hog.  It was a GREAT time.  Now the 
toddler has crimped the "i drive for BBQ" roadtrips, but he is worth it.

Bill


Steve Ens wrote:
> I think Stu is still on holidays, otherwise he would be on this thread 
> like a dirty shirt.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:31 PM, John Leto  > wrote:
>
> Come on tell the truth Jeffery and Mary Jane are really one person.
>
>  
>
> *From:* VIPCS [mailto:vi...@stny.rr.com ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]
>
>  
>
> Michael,
>
>  
>
> Yours is one of the few well-reasoned and intelligent responses to
> Jeffrey’s post.
>
>  
>
> As with any mailing list, there will be a certain amount of
> “noise” as someone else put it, and that comes with the nature of
> a mailing list.  However, when the mailing list is dominated by
> people posting first about phones, which then devolves into
> cooking, the noise factor becomes too great, in Jeffrey’s NSHO. 
> (And for the record, Jeffrey does enjoy cooking, but this is
> again, in his opinion, not the place to discuss that).  And when
> the cooking frenzy dies down, no doubt something else will come
> along to replace it.
>
>  
>
> Jeffrey is pleased by some of the responses that people have
> posted for Windows problems (even though they are not directly
> relevant to work he is currently doing), and he has save some of
> those responses for future reference.  There are some very
> intelligent and helpful people on this list.
>
>  
>
> Nevertheless (again, in Jeffrey’s NSHO), no one on the list should
> have to filter a significant number of posts or set up rules or
> exclusions to get past the  “chaff” to find the “on topic” posts.
>
>  
>
> Good bye to all.
>
>  
>
> Sincerely,
>
>  
>
> Jeffrey and Mary Jane Harris
>
> VIPCS
>
>  
>
> 
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:38 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]
>
>  
>
> Marked [OT] as I always do, when topic goes OT. You’ll find that
> most of the OT messages were, indeed, marked OT. Your email
> program should make it easy for you to create a rule to delete OT
> messages.
>
>  
>
> I was, of course, one of the offenders today, and make no
> apologies for that.
>
>  
>
> I once felt the way you do – and, in fact, resigned from the list
> for a few months because of it. But the value of the list drew me
> back.
>
>  
>
> I’ve been on this list, except for that few month absence, since
> 1999. This is a community. I’ve made some great friends from this
> list. I’ve shared a lot of drinks and dinners at conferences with
> people on this list. My largest customer of the last five years
> contacted me from this list. Sometimes – we go OT. Just like “NBA
> Fever” or “World Cup Soccer Fever” can overtake the water cooler
> in an office. I don’t regard it as a big deal. Your mileage may vary.
>
>  
>
> I do encourage everyone else – when a topic goes OT, mark it [OT].
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
>  
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>  
>
> *From:* VIPCS [mailto:vi...@stny.rr.com ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?)
>
>  
>
> Guys (and Ladies):
>
>  
>
> This is supposed to be a “NT” System Admins issues mailing list. 
> Can you please take this discussion to a separate mailing list? 
> We received 98 new messages this morning, and most of them were
> follow-ups to this thread.
>
>  
>
> (And yes, we deleted them unread, but it is still frustrating to
> have to pick and chose messages to delete.)
>
>  
>
> Sincerely,
>
>  
>
> Jeffrey and Mary Jane Harris
>
> VIPCS
>
>  
>
> 
>
> *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:44 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: What's Your Phone?
>
>  
>
> Damn, sounds like a deal to me…  Kenai River means wild 

RE: Upgrading VMware ESX 3.5 to 4.1 advice needed

[John Cook]

Do you have paid VMWare support? If so start a case, they'll spell out the 
options that exist. I simply removed a host from my old VC (32 bit W2K3) and 
then added it to the new one(64 bit W2K8R2), test, repeat as needed. My recent 
experience with them was far superior to any other support group except 
Sunbelt/GFI

-Original Message-
From: Mike Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Upgrading VMware ESX 3.5 to 4.1 advice needed

On 1/5/2011 1:31 PM, John Cook wrote:
> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=1022104&sliceId=1&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&dialogID=138278334&stateId=1%200%20138276620
> 

Which doesn't answer my questions, actually, as it doesn't cover my
situation of migrating from 32 bit to 64 bit, either on the same vCenter
box or to a new box. Could be a useful link, tho, thanks.

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RE: What's Your Phone?

[Rod Trent]

I honestly suspect it may be an app they’ve installed.

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

 

My wife and mine do not seem to suffer from the issue.  Nor does a co-worker
and 2 friends handsets as far as we can tell.  My wife has the smaller
200mb(?) plan as she often has readily accessible wifi and I haev the bigger
plan as work wifi is 'filtered' and I can't be bohered to go around it.  I
generally have not run near the limit.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Speaking of WP7...anyone else who owns a WP7 device experiencing the
overnight data push?

http://tamsppc.tamoggemon.com/2011/01/04/windows-phone-7-sends-huge-amounts-
 
of-data/


-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Hmmm .. I really do like the operation of it .. the edges just felt a bit
"sharp".  If someone would just make a handset with that screen and guts,
but a litle bit sexier .. I'm in! ;o)

How do you find battery life, phone use, etc. on it (ie. all the things you
can't tell by "fingering" it in a shop!)??



a

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: 05 January 2011 01:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

Omnia 7 is awesome :-)

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2011 1:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

I have some hope that it won't as much - the carriers have no real way of
customising WP7 like Android, other than adding their own apps.
Also, one would *hope* that MS have more experience in the whole
patching/SP'ing of products and pushing that out to various carriers (again,
to the original point, there should be far less scope for a release to cause
an issue with an individual carrier/handset with WP7 than Android .. in
theory).

I'm really torn between an Android handset such as the Desire HD and a
WP7 phone such as the Samsung Omnia 7 (the handset it great, but a little
ugly).  I don't "do" Mac .. ethically, aesthetically, baah-baahlly or
anything elsely!!  Since I have a Hotmail address from
15 years back, use Messenger and have an Xbox live account (I'm not a huge
MS-o-phile, honest!), it seems like the integration would be tighter on WP7
than Android, but I'm not sure how much of an issue this is in reality.

Owing to not being a 15 year old girl, or working in PR/marketing, the total
amount of apps in 100s of thousands doesn't really seem very relevant as
long the basic killer apps are covered, which hopefully is a given.  ;o)



a

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 04 January 2011 14:11
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

I suspect the same thing will happen with WP7, but I could be wrong.
WinMob
had the same problem and it was up to the device manufacturer to release an
update after testing with the specific devices.



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Re: What's Your Phone?

[Steven Peck]

My wife and mine do not seem to suffer from the issue.  Nor does a co-worker
and 2 friends handsets as far as we can tell.  My wife has the smaller
200mb(?) plan as she often has readily accessible wifi and I haev the bigger
plan as work wifi is 'filtered' and I can't be bohered to go around it.  I
generally have not run near the limit.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Speaking of WP7...anyone else who owns a WP7 device experiencing the
> overnight data push?
>
>
> http://tamsppc.tamoggemon.com/2011/01/04/windows-phone-7-sends-huge-amounts-
> of-data/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:46 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>
> Hmmm .. I really do like the operation of it .. the edges just felt a bit
> "sharp".  If someone would just make a handset with that screen and guts,
> but a litle bit sexier .. I'm in! ;o)
>
> How do you find battery life, phone use, etc. on it (ie. all the things you
> can't tell by "fingering" it in a shop!)??
>
>
>
> a
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> Sent: 05 January 2011 01:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>
> Omnia 7 is awesome :-)
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2011 1:46 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>
> I have some hope that it won't as much - the carriers have no real way of
> customising WP7 like Android, other than adding their own apps.
> Also, one would *hope* that MS have more experience in the whole
> patching/SP'ing of products and pushing that out to various carriers
> (again,
> to the original point, there should be far less scope for a release to
> cause
> an issue with an individual carrier/handset with WP7 than Android .. in
> theory).
>
> I'm really torn between an Android handset such as the Desire HD and a
> WP7 phone such as the Samsung Omnia 7 (the handset it great, but a little
> ugly).  I don't "do" Mac .. ethically, aesthetically, baah-baahlly or
> anything elsely!!  Since I have a Hotmail address from
> 15 years back, use Messenger and have an Xbox live account (I'm not a huge
> MS-o-phile, honest!), it seems like the integration would be tighter on WP7
> than Android, but I'm not sure how much of an issue this is in reality.
>
> Owing to not being a 15 year old girl, or working in PR/marketing, the
> total
> amount of apps in 100s of thousands doesn't really seem very relevant as
> long the basic killer apps are covered, which hopefully is a given.  ;o)
>
>
>
> a
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: 04 January 2011 14:11
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>
> I suspect the same thing will happen with WP7, but I could be wrong.
> WinMob
> had the same problem and it was up to the device manufacturer to release an
> update after testing with the specific devices.
>
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Re: What's Your Phone?

[Andrew Laya]

Please don't. :-P


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bill Humphries wrote:

> next you are going to tell me to stop walking around in public wearing my
> pants?
>
>
> James Kerr wrote:
>
>> Forgot your guys definition of grilling is different, for us THAT is
>> broiling. You guys shouldn't be allowed to call a grill a BBQ in my opinion.
>> BBQ is low temp, indirect heat. I wince when people call grilling BBQ, they
>> do it in the States also.
>>
>> That being said, I do love a Saturday night "mixed grill" with rashers,
>> sausages, black and white pudding. I can buy those things here but they're
>> expensive.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Alan Davies" <
>> adav...@cls-services.com>
>>
>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:00 AM
>>
>> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>>
>>
>> Well .. you can certainly get smokers over here, but they're not
>> particularly popular (probably because we don't have long hot summers very
>> often where things stay pleasant and dry!).  They're certainly not a BBQ.
>> And a BBQ means fuel fed from below (ie. coal, not cheating with gas), not a
>> grill per se, which is normally heat from above with the meat on a wire
>> grill.  American diners call those hot plate thingies a grill (a hibachi to
>> me!).  But then you guys "broil" things, which just isn't a real word at
>> all!! ;P
>>
>>
>> a
>> -Original Message-
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 05 January 2011 15:33
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?
>>
>> Ah ok but what you refer to as a BBQ is really a grill. BBQ is smoked
>> food, made in a smoker. My propane grill cost me about 80 bucks and its
>> lasted about 3 years but its time for a new one. The humidity and heat where
>> I live kills metal.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Alan Davies" 
>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:34 AM
>> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>>
>>
>> I meant the trend to spend a lot on outdoor cooking facilities!  Most BBQs
>> over here are £15 B&Q jobs .. which are absolutely fine as long as you
>> don't
>> expect them to last 10 years out in the wind and rain!
>>
>>
>> a
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 05 January 2011 13:23
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?
>>
>> Caja Chinas are not American, they are Cuban and many Cubans make them
>> themselves.
>>
>> James
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Alan Davies" 
>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:40 AM
>> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>>
>>
>> Good Lord!  Here was me thinking $700 was a tad expensive for an egg and
>> you come out with a $1200 cooking table!  Must be an American thing 
>>
>>
>>
>> a
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org]
>> Sent: 04 January 2011 20:11
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>>
>> I cook my pigs in a box.
>>
>> http://lacajachina.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:24 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?
>>
>> my family refers to my smoked pork butt as "meat candy".  i usually chop
>> it and they eat it off the platter like finger food.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Steve Ens wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to see your smoked pork shoulder.  Recipe that is.  I make a
>>> mean batch as well. We could have NT list cookoff.  Stu, will Sunbelt
>>> sponsor something like this?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Charlie Kaiser
>>> mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>+1. I'm definitely the chef in the household. I'll put my smoked
>>>
>> pork
>>
>>>shoulder and BBQ sauce up against anyone's... :-)
>>>
>>>***
>>>Charlie Kaiser
>>>charl...@golden-eagle.org 
>>>Kingman, AZ
>>>***
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com
>>>]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:07 AM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>>>>
>>>> I like to cook as well and continue to be surprised at the
>>>number of men
>>>that do.
>>>>
>>>> Hey Stu!  How about a recipe forum?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Upgrading VMware ESX 3.5 to 4.1 advice needed

[Steven Peck]

We built new Windows 2008r2 servers and put Virtual Center on them.  In
general we don't worry about data carried forward.  For the most part we
were able to scrounge systems to replace existing VICenters.  For the one
environment we couldn't, we just nuked the system it was on and rebuilt it,
installed VICenter and went on with life.  The data is just not that
important and the window of fear^h^h^h^h opportunity for something to go
horribly wrong wasn't that long and after hours anyway.

We tend to keep our VIrtual Center servers not virtual due to environment
considerations and flexibility.  We try and use a local SQL install so we
have further seperation from the domain in the event of a large scale issue
affecting a data center (i.e. complete loss of power due to electrical
upgrades to a UPS gone wrong).

You will want to carefully decide how you are going to deal with virtual HW
updates on your systems once you migrate to 4.1.  It takes 3 reboots for the
guest systems to be really solved in some cases.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Mike Leone  wrote:

> On 1/5/2011 1:31 PM, John Cook wrote:
> >
> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=1022104&sliceId=1&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&dialogID=138278334&stateId=1%200%20138276620
> > <
> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=1022104&sliceId=1&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&dialogID=138278334&stateId=1%200%20138276620
> >
>
> Which doesn't answer my questions, actually, as it doesn't cover my
> situation of migrating from 32 bit to 64 bit, either on the same vCenter
> box or to a new box. Could be a useful link, tho, thanks.
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RE: What's Your Phone? (OT)

[Maglinger, Paul]

Hickory for most smoking, apple when I can get it for pork, cherry for fish.


From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone? (OT)

I generally use Blackjack oak and maybe a little applewood or some citrus wood 
(from my own trees, don't buy the commercial stuff, it's usually harvested from 
dead citrus groves that have been mercilessly sprayed with all manner of 
chemicals) and I keep a little Mesquite around for smoking meats destined for 
southwestern fare.

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

I prefer Hickory for smoking, but applewood when available is pretty good for 
fish.

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security
'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

LOL

What's your hardwood of choice?
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Erik Goldoff 
mailto:egold...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Email me off list so as not to annoy the Siamese dichotomy , maybe we can 
coordinate something.  Gotta make sure I have proper hardwood on hand, and time 
available to receive package and smoke

Erik Goldoff
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RE: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

[Erik Goldoff]

Should you decide to continue on this list, 

 

PLEASE consider trimming your posts, your reply below showed up as a 64kb
message in my inbox.

You seem to set your own standards as to what YOU both consider proper
etiquette to be enforced, yet you ignore other commonly followed standards
of consideration.

( a shared email account on a list is NOT a proper standard of etiquette
either )

 

 

Those that live in glass houses should not take showers …

 

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Systems, Networks, & Security 

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From: VIPCS [mailto:vi...@stny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enough Please (WAS: RE: What's Your Phone?) [OT]

 

Michael,

 

Yours is one of the few well-reasoned and intelligent responses to Jeffrey’s
post.

 

As with any mailing list, there will be a certain amount of “noise” as
someone else put it, and that comes with the nature of a mailing list.
However, when the mailing list is dominated by people posting first about
phones, which then devolves into cooking, the noise factor becomes too
great, in Jeffrey’s NSHO.  (And for the record, Jeffrey does enjoy cooking,
but this is again, in his opinion, not the place to discuss that).  And when
the cooking frenzy dies down, no doubt something else will come along to
replace it.

 

Jeffrey is pleased by some of the responses that people have posted for
Windows problems (even though they are not directly relevant to work he is
currently doing), and he has save some of those responses for future
reference.  There are some very intelligent and helpful people on this list.

 

Nevertheless (again, in Jeffrey’s NSHO), no one on the list should have to
filter a significant number of posts or set up rules or exclusions to get
past the  “chaff” to find the “on topic” posts.

 

Good bye to all.

 

Sincerely,

 

Jeffrey and Mary Jane Harris

VIPCS


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Re: What's Your Phone?

[Bill Humphries]

next you are going to tell me to stop walking around in public wearing 
my pants?



James Kerr wrote:
Forgot your guys definition of grilling is different, for us THAT is 
broiling. You guys shouldn't be allowed to call a grill a BBQ in my 
opinion. BBQ is low temp, indirect heat. I wince when people call 
grilling BBQ, they do it in the States also.


That being said, I do love a Saturday night "mixed grill" with 
rashers, sausages, black and white pudding. I can buy those things 
here but they're expensive.


James


- Original Message - From: "Alan Davies" 


To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?


Well .. you can certainly get smokers over here, but they're not 
particularly popular (probably because we don't have long hot summers 
very often where things stay pleasant and dry!).  They're certainly 
not a BBQ. And a BBQ means fuel fed from below (ie. coal, not cheating 
with gas), not a grill per se, which is normally heat from above with 
the meat on a wire grill.  American diners call those hot plate 
thingies a grill (a hibachi to me!).  But then you guys "broil" 
things, which just isn't a real word at all!! ;P



a
-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 January 2011 15:33
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

Ah ok but what you refer to as a BBQ is really a grill. BBQ is smoked 
food, made in a smoker. My propane grill cost me about 80 bucks and 
its lasted about 3 years but its time for a new one. The humidity and 
heat where I live kills metal.


James


- Original Message -
From: "Alan Davies" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?


I meant the trend to spend a lot on outdoor cooking facilities!  Most 
BBQs
over here are £15 B&Q jobs .. which are absolutely fine as long as you 
don't

expect them to last 10 years out in the wind and rain!


a

-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 January 2011 13:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

Caja Chinas are not American, they are Cuban and many Cubans make them
themselves.

James

- Original Message -
From: "Alan Davies" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:40 AM
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?


Good Lord!  Here was me thinking $700 was a tad expensive for an egg and
you come out with a $1200 cooking table!  Must be an American thing 



a

-Original Message-
From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org]
Sent: 04 January 2011 20:11
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?

I cook my pigs in a box.

http://lacajachina.com/



-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What's Your Phone?

my family refers to my smoked pork butt as "meat candy".  i usually chop
it and they eat it off the platter like finger food.

Bill


Steve Ens wrote:

I'd like to see your smoked pork shoulder.  Recipe that is.  I make a
mean batch as well. We could have NT list cookoff.  Stu, will Sunbelt
sponsor something like this?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Charlie Kaiser
mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org>> wrote:

+1. I'm definitely the chef in the household. I'll put my smoked

pork

shoulder and BBQ sauce up against anyone's... :-)

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org 
Kingman, AZ
***


> -Original Message-
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com
]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: What's Your Phone?
>
> I like to cook as well and continue to be surprised at the
number of men
that do.
>
> Hey Stu!  How about a recipe forum?



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