Re: list delays
Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: list delays
1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Local user account password changes on non-persistent disk images
I'm just covering my bases in case there's a way of doing this that I've missed. Now that I have confirmation, I'll gladly tell them it's get domain accounts, or have problems. On 13 March 2012 23:57, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Rather than warp the space-time continuum in search of a solution to an undefined (or ill-defined) problem, it might be helpful to get them to explain what risk they expect to mitigate, and how it compares to the daily operational pain they have imposed. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: Someone needs to sit your security team and the build team down in the same room and swing a clue-by-4 in their direction. ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:01 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Local user account password changes on non-persistent disk images ** ** I have an issue where a security team (God bless 'em) have decreed that support users must use local user accounts and have their passwords changed on these local accounts at regular intervals. However, the servers in question use non-persistent disks. Therefore when the servers restart, the disk reverts to the original state and the password changes are discarded, leading to much confusion for support staff. These servers do have a persistent disk (the D drive), but I'm at a loss as to how you could put the local accounts database onto a different disk. Is this even doable? I doubt it isso does anyone have an idea about how to make password changes persist in this situation? I know the sensible money is going to be on give them domain accounts, which I have been trying to get done for ages, but I am hitting a lot of resistance on this (they support many different customer domains and some of them are sensitive about giving out domain access). I've toyed with the idea of the differential disk state in PVS as well, but the build team won't have it. I know it's highly unlikely there's a way around this without making some sort of process-level changes, but here's hoping someone has come across a technical solution FWIW, the systems are Windows 2008 Server with XenApp 5 and PVS 5.1 images TIA, JRR -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * *The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission.* *In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets At Home yesterday. * *We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * *The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would
Re: Local user account password changes on non-persistent disk images
Agreed. I've just seen the security team lose this company 45k of revenue by halting a piece of work because someone filled in the wrong form for a firewall change. If I worked here full-time, I'd be worried, but in five weeks I will be off on my merry way again :-) On 13 March 2012 19:31, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Someone needs to sit your security team and the build team down in the same room and swing a clue-by-4 in their direction. ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:01 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Local user account password changes on non-persistent disk images ** ** I have an issue where a security team (God bless 'em) have decreed that support users must use local user accounts and have their passwords changed on these local accounts at regular intervals. However, the servers in question use non-persistent disks. Therefore when the servers restart, the disk reverts to the original state and the password changes are discarded, leading to much confusion for support staff. These servers do have a persistent disk (the D drive), but I'm at a loss as to how you could put the local accounts database onto a different disk. Is this even doable? I doubt it isso does anyone have an idea about how to make password changes persist in this situation? I know the sensible money is going to be on give them domain accounts, which I have been trying to get done for ages, but I am hitting a lot of resistance on this (they support many different customer domains and some of them are sensitive about giving out domain access). I've toyed with the idea of the differential disk state in PVS as well, but the build team won't have it. I know it's highly unlikely there's a way around this without making some sort of process-level changes, but here's hoping someone has come across a technical solution FWIW, the systems are Windows 2008 Server with XenApp 5 and PVS 5.1 images TIA, JRR -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * *The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission.* *In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets At Home yesterday. * *We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * *The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the
Re: New to virtualization
90 users per VM is pretty damn good, but packing in 16GB RAM per guest probably helps more than a bit :-) I reckon I could squeeze them out to over 100 with AppSense Performance Manager (unless they already use it, in which case I can't) On 14 March 2012 09:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: The customer I am working for now has 4 2008 R2 VMs per ESX 3.5 and XenServer 6 host running XenApp 6.5. They get 90 users per VM or 360 users per host. IIRC, the hosts are HP DL380 G6 64GB RAM. THey support 22,500 concurrent users spread across the world but the vast majority are U.S. based workers using HP Linux thin clients. The XenApp 6.5 VMs are provisioned using Citrix PVS 5.6 SP2. As you can probably imagine, everything, and I mean everything, is extremely highly available and redundant. Firewalls, routers, core switches, databases, hosts, connections between their thousands of remote sites, etc etc etc. BTW, at the site I am working at (HQ with main IT staff), they are desperately trying to fill over 150 open IT positions. They have 4 other IT sites they are hiring for also. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Andrew Baker asbz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New to virtualization Citrix loves RAM too. Going with 6-8GB and x64 will improve performance. ** *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: New to virtualization
They do use AppSense but I don't know what parts of AppSense they use and with which XenApp and XenDesktop projects. I am sure 23,300 AppSense licenses were not cheap! I am also sure 22,500 Platinum XenApp licenses, 800 Platinum XenDesktop 4 licenses and 25,000 Platinum XenDesktop 5.6 licenses set them back a good bit of money. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Subject: Re: New to virtualization 90 users per VM is pretty damn good, but packing in 16GB RAM per guest probably helps more than a bit :-) I reckon I could squeeze them out to over 100 with AppSense Performance Manager (unless they already use it, in which case I can't) On 14 March 2012 09:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: The customer I am working for now has 4 2008 R2 VMs per ESX 3.5 and XenServer 6 host running XenApp 6.5. They get 90 users per VM or 360 users per host. IIRC, the hosts are HP DL380 G6 64GB RAM. THey support 22,500 concurrent users spread across the world but the vast majority are U.S. based workers using HP Linux thin clients. The XenApp 6.5 VMs are provisioned using Citrix PVS 5.6 SP2. As you can probably imagine, everything, and I mean everything, is extremely highly available and redundant. Firewalls, routers, core switches, databases, hosts, connections between their thousands of remote sites, etc etc etc. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: New to virtualization
That's just short of £1,000,000 for AppSense licenses, according to my calculations. In that case - I'd assume they use the whole suite. On 14 March 2012 10:47, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: They do use AppSense but I don’t know what parts of AppSense they use and with which XenApp and XenDesktop projects. I am sure 23,300 AppSense licenses were not cheap! I am also sure 22,500 Platinum XenApp licenses, 800 Platinum XenDesktop 4 licenses and 25,000 Platinum XenDesktop 5.6 licenses set them back a good bit of money. ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** 90 users per VM is pretty damn good, but packing in 16GB RAM per guest probably helps more than a bit :-) I reckon I could squeeze them out to over 100 with AppSense Performance Manager (unless they already use it, in which case I can't) On 14 March 2012 09:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: The customer I am working for now has 4 2008 R2 VMs per ESX 3.5 and XenServer 6 host running XenApp 6.5. They get 90 users per VM or 360 users per host. IIRC, the hosts are HP DL380 G6 64GB RAM. THey support 22,500 concurrent users spread across the world but the vast majority are U.S. based workers using HP Linux thin clients. ** ** The XenApp 6.5 VMs are provisioned using Citrix PVS 5.6 SP2. As you can probably imagine, everything, and I mean everything, is extremely highly available and redundant. Firewalls, routers, core switches, databases, hosts, connections between their thousands of remote sites, etc etc etc.** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the
Proxy Servers
can anyone help me with names of any freeware proxy servers? kind regards, Farhan Khan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... AMEN to that!!! -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
MEANWHILE - I work at the animal poison control center. There is a protocol update announcement attached to several walls mentioning relaxation agents which contain hops as an ingredient. I wonder if that could possibly refer to anything else but the current OT from the OT thread? -Original Message- From: Gary Whitten [mailto:li...@undiscoveredworlds.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Good call on Rogue. Had their Chocolate Stout on draft this past weekend. And agreed on Stella; considering everything else that had to be available in London, surprising. -Original Message- From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) When i was in the UK, it seems everywhere in london the beer of choice was stella. I wouldn't consider that particularly good beer. If we are throwing around good breweries, don't forget rogue. Gary Whitten wrote: Per James comment in a previous email, I ve been told a number of beers that are popular/well-received in the US have low opinions in the UK or elsewhere in Europe. Newcastle and Old Speckled Hen are two examples. Definitely agree with Kurt. .Stone. Young s Double Chocolate. J Add in Southern Tier in NY and Mendocino Brewing in CA as two more of my US faves. Also love almost everything Samuel Smith. *From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:52 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Most American major brands (Bud, Coors, Miller, etc.) are swill, not lager. OTOH, there are a *lot* of smaller brands with good stouts, porters, IPAs and others. I'm particularly fond of some of the Stone offerings, and Young's Chocolate Stout, among others. Heck, I also like Shiner Bock. Kurt On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:53, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: American beer is lager This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the american beer is water type arguments. The burgers wars were just incredible. Who knew burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, cooking methods, etc etc etc. It was such a horrible thread, I being the list owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion. It has been 10 years since all three thread topics were banned. When we tuba players gather at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name calling that went on in those discussions. They would have made Gary Slinger look like a saint! :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ -- -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Is it the well done/not well done burger debate? I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the discussion. It must have been truly heinous. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s. There are three banned topics: Drum Bugle Corp Burgers Beer Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer and hamburgers!!! But in that world, those are world war starting topics. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ -- -- *From:* John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.com mailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com] *Subject:* RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ---
Re: Proxy Servers
Google is your friend. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Farhan Khan [mailto:xs2far...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 07:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Proxy Servers can anyone help me with names of any freeware proxy servers? kind regards, Farhan Khan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Proxy Servers
are you located in the North Georgia mountains not far from Chattanooga, Tennessee ? On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Farhan Khan xs2far...@gmail.com wrote: can anyone help me with names of any freeware proxy servers? kind regards, Farhan Khan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: New to virtualization
Thanks for the link! I will inquire about virtual clustering, initially I was just thinking of hosting stand alone hosts... From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization The others have given some good suggestions. Mine is download ESXi and play with it (And HyperV). Spend the time now because VMware is currently vey expensive and your environment sounds within the bounds of HyperV and if you find real savings there you can spend it doing some upgrades (AD, Exchange, Citrix) You can virtualize everything. It does complicate getting your environment back up if you have an unexpected outage (UPS dies, catches fire, repairs don't go well and you get a call at 2am regarding an unexpected outage but I digress). Even though it 'complicates' things, it's certainly still do-able. With VMware you just have to connect to your hosts individually until you get one with the DC on it and get it powered up before you bring everything else up. Having a physical DC is a nice to have as you can ensure it's powered up first and life is easier but it's not necessary, just really really nice. (One of our more isolated evironments as about 40 guests on 3 hosts and completely virtual including DCs with above referenced annoyances). If you go with VMware you are licensing both Microsoft and VMware per host and VMware has the fun new memory based price model. If you look at the costs you may find that just using HyperV then Windows Datacenter license may come out equal and grants you more flexibility regarding guest systems. System Center 2012 suite of products is coming out any day now so there is a lot of 'free training' offered via marketing (see some earlier threads). Are you looking at virtual clustering for uptime SLA's or were you just hosting stand alone hosts? http://systemcenteruniverse.com/Agenda -- look at the SCVMM presentation. Just some thoguhts Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:04 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: New to virtualization
As an adendum to Garys note about VCenter VMWare has a free VM appliance for managing your servers. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 08:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: New to virtualization Haven’t discussed clustering yet. I will probably look at a DR planning first? co-location or replicating to another of my offices maybe? WOW – I just noticed all the replies trickling in due to the delays of this list. THANKS EVERYONE! This really turned into a great thread, w/ tons of info. From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Good topic David as I’m planning for a similar environment so I am interested in the same answers. Using Hyper-V and Remote Desktop Services, main office and remote office with 6 servers and ~100+ people. Quick answers to some of the questions. Most recommend at least one physical box that is a DC, DNS, DHCP and management server. If everything happens to be off at the same time having this physical box online first solves issues of no DC being available. Yes you can schedule the VMs to start in a certain order but are all the other pieces running also. Exchange 2010 is supported being virtualized. I have no experience with Citrix but I’m sure Webster will be able to answer the question. Additional DCs can be virtualized. Only you can answer whether 7 TB of storage is enough. How much do you have now? What is expected growth rate? How expandable is the SAN? Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise includes the ability to run up to 4 VMs included in the price. You are not limited to 4. These 4 can be any combination of Standard or Enterprise. If you want to run more than 4 you need to have the appropriate number of server licenses. Windows Server 2008 R2 Datacenter includes the ability to run unlimited VMs. Well unlimited up to the limits of your hardware, CPU, RAM, etc. Datacenter is licensed per CPU and minimum of 2 CPUs. This is where a cost analysis will help. Do you plan on clustering the servers? From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: List Speed?
I'd be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I've gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I've been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: List Speed?
LOL! And, with those words, my post showed up in a minute (or less, wasn't clocking it). Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? I'd be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I've gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I've been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any
RE: New to virtualization
David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? Well, my first Domain Controller (up until last week, was my ONLY DC) is doing all this: Windows Server 2003 Standard SP2 Domain Controller (holds all 5 FSMO roles) Global Catalog DNS WSUS File Shares (My Documents redirection, all shared drives) GFI Vipre Antimalware server Symantec Backup Exec 10d The remaining boxes are pretty much dedicated: BES (dedicated) OWA (dedicated) Exchange 2003 (dedicated) 3 Citrix 4.0 servers (dedicated) SCO UNIX billing server (dedicated) MAS200 (also Citrix licensing server, web interface server, terminal services profile storage) Document imaging (also my 2nd DC, and print server) From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization If I were doing licensing from scratch, I'd go Datacenter, even accounting for the CPU licensing, it's not all that much more. The ability to add and move servers, thinly provision servers, etc makes a a much more robust environment. When I say thinly provision servers, I mean, making a server responsible for only one task, such as AV management, BES, whatever, without putting additional duties on it as is common in a physical server environment. David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ralph Smith m...@gatewayindustries.org wrote: However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Datacenter is licensed per CPU - those are dual CPU servers so you would need 6 Datacenter licenses. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
Copy cats... From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Memphis? From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]mailto:[mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) It's in Wikipedia, so it's true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owensboro,_Kentucky - Owensboro considers itself the BBQhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbecue Capital of the world; it holds its International BBQ festivalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_BBQ_festival and competition every second weekend in May. Who else would have the International BBQ Festival? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Is it the well done/not well done burger debate? I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the discussion. It must have been truly heinous. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s. There are three banned topics: Drum Bugle Corp Burgers Beer Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer and hamburgers!!! But in that world, those are world war starting topics. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.commailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com] Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: New to virtualization
Excellent! Thank you very much. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization If you use VMWare, you'll have a VirtualCenter system that manages all of your hosts and clusters. Some people keep this physical, but you can virtualize this management system as well. http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi3_vc_in_vm.pdf I'd recommend doing a parallel migration for your Citrix users, i.e. stand up a XenApp 6.5 farm, install the same applications as your old garm, and allow the users access to both new and old farms through a single Web Interface (Mr Webster's blog has a good article on doing this). Then you can get some test users to try the new apps, get some feel for the metrics of your new virtualized systems, and be able to instantly roll them back to the old farm if you hit any issues. On 13 March 2012 18:12, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. What do you mean by Virtualizing VirtualCenter? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization Nothing wrong with virtualizing your Citrix kit, but another thing you'll need to remember the latest Citrix XenApp version (soon to be the only supported one, by July 2013) is 64-bit only, so you'll need to do some heavy app testing to make sure everything will work OK. If it doesn't, you'll have to invest in some other way of getting at those apps (VDI, VM Hosted Apps, etc.) Obviously you won't get as many users on a virtual XenApp system as you do on a physical one (unless your physical ones are highly underpowered) - I've seen round about 30-40 users per box being a ballpark figure dependent on the RAM and processing power you throw at the VMs. The only thing you really maybe need to leave physical is a DNS server, maybe a DC if you want to be able to log in to the domain when everything else is down. Virtualizing VirtualCenter (if you go the VMWare route) isn't that much of an issue. On 13 March 2012 15:04, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to
Re: List Speed?
The day is young. And the OT discussions haven't started in earnest, yet. Unless complaining about the slow list is considered OT. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Guyer, Donald dgu...@che.org wrote: LOL! ** ** And, with those words, my post showed up in a minute (or less, wasn’t clocking it). ** ** Regards, ** ** Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS ** ** *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:54 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: List Speed? ** ** I’d be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I’ve gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I’ve been exposed to, ever. ** ** Regards, ** ** Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? ** ** I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... ** ** Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 ** ** It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. ** ** I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. ** ** My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. ** ** * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. ** ** /$.02 ** ** 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? ** ** A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). ** ** I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? ** ** Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. -- *MIRA Ltd* ** ** Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 ** ** The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate
Re: List Speed?
I'd be willing to do the same, and we have plenty of bandwidth and CPU here in higher-ed land. Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology University Relations, Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: Ryan Finnesey r...@finnesey.commailto:r...@finnesey.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:45:23 + To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: List Speed? I would be happy to setup a listserv and host the list if it would be helpful. Cheers Ryan From: Cynicalgeek [mailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? Has anyone considered using Google Groups? Pros? Cons? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.comhttp://gmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: New to virtualization
We do exactly this at %dayjob%. It's been a bummer on the couple of occasions that ESX had had an issue and the only way to get to that vCenter box is to take the other VM's offline (or rather that's how my ESX guy explained it to me). That was a couple years ago so newer versions may have addressed this. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization In a VMware environment VirtualCenter (or vCenter Server) is the management box for handling all your VMware servers and guests. This server *can* be a VM and is supported as such. Some people have nervous twitches about it, but it's perfectly workable. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]mailto:[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. What do you mean by Virtualizing VirtualCenter? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization Nothing wrong with virtualizing your Citrix kit, but another thing you'll need to remember the latest Citrix XenApp version (soon to be the only supported one, by July 2013) is 64-bit only, so you'll need to do some heavy app testing to make sure everything will work OK. If it doesn't, you'll have to invest in some other way of getting at those apps (VDI, VM Hosted Apps, etc.) Obviously you won't get as many users on a virtual XenApp system as you do on a physical one (unless your physical ones are highly underpowered) - I've seen round about 30-40 users per box being a ballpark figure dependent on the RAM and processing power you throw at the VMs. The only thing you really maybe need to leave physical is a DNS server, maybe a DC if you want to be able to log in to the domain when everything else is down. Virtualizing VirtualCenter (if you go the VMWare route) isn't that much of an issue. On 13 March 2012 15:04, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by
Re: New to virtualization
I definitely see some room for growing your total number of servers there. Isolating DCs would be #1. DCs and DNS can stay together, but, putting AV on its own, file sharing (maybe with WSUS, I have the files for WSUS on the same computer as my file/print server). I actually have backup on a different (physical) server, but I roll my own with robocopy... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? Well, my first Domain Controller (up until last week, was my ONLY DC) is doing all this: Windows Server 2003 Standard SP2 Domain Controller (holds all 5 FSMO roles) Global Catalog DNS WSUS File Shares (My Documents redirection, all shared drives) GFI Vipre Antimalware server Symantec Backup Exec 10d ** ** The remaining boxes are pretty much dedicated: BES (dedicated) OWA (dedicated) Exchange 2003 (dedicated) 3 Citrix 4.0 servers (dedicated) SCO UNIX billing server (dedicated) MAS200 (also Citrix licensing server, web interface server, terminal services profile storage) Document imaging (also my 2nd DC, and print server) ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:49 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization ** ** If I were doing licensing from scratch, I'd go Datacenter, even accounting for the CPU licensing, it's not all that much more. The ability to add and move servers, thinly provision servers, etc makes a a much more robust environment. When I say thinly provision servers, I mean, making a server responsible for only one task, such as AV management, BES, whatever, without putting additional duties on it as is common in a physical server environment. David: of the physical servers, if you had your druthers and could isolate the tasks out to an individual server, how many servers would you really have? Or are all those servers only doing one task, already? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ralph Smith m...@gatewayindustries.org wrote: “However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? “ Datacenter is licensed per CPU – those are dual CPU servers so you would need 6 Datacenter licenses. *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? ** ** Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: My SBS swing brag
Doesn't that make it an illegal copy? -Original Message- From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I just did one but just used the MS docs. I didn't actually go all the way with it. Got most everything migrated then broke the sbcore.exe service on the SBS2003 machine so I could leave the old machine up and not move all the printers, scan to SMB folders, and antivirus software. The machine was still good for those light duty activities and it simplified everything and saved the client some money. Bill Jonathan Link wrote: Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _/might/_ be oversimplifying it J Dave *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee's hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 - SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there's a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home directories from share-per-user to single share/ABE/SBS2011 default locations: Check Worthy to note that SBS2011 really encourages you (er, me) to not treat SBS like just a small domain with Exchange. Pretty slick OS too. I could NOT have done it without the SBSSwing kit, there are so many little things that Jeff's team has figured out. I don't have any current certs, but I passed that test! W00t! *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEA^TM Office 503.548.5229 tel:503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action,
RE: List Speed?
Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I'm paying good money for this?!?!) -Paul From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? I'd be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I've gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I've been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: New to virtualization
You can manage any individual ESX host with the VI client if the VCenter were to go off line. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 09:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: New to virtualization We do exactly this at %dayjob%. It’s been a bummer on the couple of occasions that ESX had had an issue and the only way to get to that vCenter box is to take the other VM’s offline (or rather that’s how my ESX guy explained it to me). That was a couple years ago so newer versions may have addressed this. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization In a VMware environment VirtualCenter (or vCenter Server) is the management box for handling all your VMware servers and guests. This server *can* be a VM and is supported as such. Some people have nervous twitches about it, but it’s perfectly workable. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]mailto:[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Thanks, Right now I have 3 DL360s (dual proc, 4GB, 32bit) for 75 Citrix users and they are taxed pretty hard. I always get alerts for CPU and RAM, and if I physically check the boxes, they usually say 200M free of ram, w/ 6GB pagefile in use. What do you mean by “Virtualizing VirtualCenter�? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization Nothing wrong with virtualizing your Citrix kit, but another thing you'll need to remember the latest Citrix XenApp version (soon to be the only supported one, by July 2013) is 64-bit only, so you'll need to do some heavy app testing to make sure everything will work OK. If it doesn't, you'll have to invest in some other way of getting at those apps (VDI, VM Hosted Apps, etc.) Obviously you won't get as many users on a virtual XenApp system as you do on a physical one (unless your physical ones are highly underpowered) - I've seen round about 30-40 users per box being a ballpark figure dependent on the RAM and processing power you throw at the VMs. The only thing you really maybe need to leave physical is a DNS server, maybe a DC if you want to be able to log in to the domain when everything else is down. Virtualizing VirtualCenter (if you go the VMWare route) isn't that much of an issue. On 13 March 2012 15:04, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body:
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: My SBS swing brag
Printers are a manual re-add at the server. Client PC’s are a mix of 64-bit Win7 and 32-bit XP but after loading the 32-bit drivers on the server (from an XP box) the client PC’s didn’t notice the change and I didn’t have to touch ‘em. In a very real sense I didn’t have to touch any of the PC’s for this swing upgrade. For overall time and 17 users it *might* have been same/same to create a new SBS domain from scratch and disjoin/rejoin the PC’s and create “new” user accounts and PST all that crap over (I think I have 30-ish hours into the swing soup to nuts, including testing), but that would require me knowing all the users’ password and logging in as them and RDP-ing to each one. Dave From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I gotta ask how if the kit included the print migrations procedures from 32 bit to 64 bit - you mentioned that went well, so it begs the question :) From: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.comhttp://SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _might_ be oversimplifying it ☺ Dave From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee’s hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 – SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there’s a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home directories from share-per-user to single share/ABE/SBS2011 default locations: Check Worthy to note that SBS2011 really encourages you (er, me) to not treat SBS like just a small domain with Exchange. Pretty slick OS too. I could NOT have done it without the SBSSwing kit, there are so many little things that Jeff’s team has figured out. I don’t have any current certs, but I passed that test! W00t! David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended
Re: list delays
#1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: My SBS swing brag
Kinda what I thought, might be a technical licensing violation... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: Doesn't that make it an illegal copy? -Original Message- From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I just did one but just used the MS docs. I didn't actually go all the way with it. Got most everything migrated then broke the sbcore.exe service on the SBS2003 machine so I could leave the old machine up and not move all the printers, scan to SMB folders, and antivirus software. The machine was still good for those light duty activities and it simplified everything and saved the client some money. Bill Jonathan Link wrote: Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _/might/_ be oversimplifying it J Dave *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee's hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 - SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there's a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home directories from share-per-user to single share/ABE/SBS2011 default locations: Check Worthy to note that SBS2011 really encourages you (er, me) to not treat SBS like just a small domain with Exchange. Pretty slick OS too. I could NOT have done it without the SBSSwing kit, there are so many little things that Jeff's team has figured out. I don't have any current certs, but I passed that test! W00t! *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEA^TM Office 503.548.5229 tel:503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or,
Re: List Speed?
I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is free or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I’m paying good money for this?!?!) ** ** -Paul ** ** *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: List Speed? ** ** I’d be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I’ve gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I’ve been exposed to, ever. ** ** Regards, ** ** Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? ** ** I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... ** ** Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 ** ** It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. ** ** I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. ** ** My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. ** ** * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. ** ** /$.02 ** ** 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? ** ** A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). ** ** I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? ** ** Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. -- *MIRA Ltd* ** ** Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 ** ** The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~
Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
I don't do competitions (don't want to commit the required time), but being a good NC boy, I'll take that challenge. Of course, being a good NC boy, taking the challenge = another excuse to eat some Q Dry rub, sometimes inject with Apple cider, smoke 240 degrees until it's done. Put it in a cooler wrapped in a towel for half our or so, then pull it. Because I like it, I then mix in a middle NC vinegar/pepper sauce, but it is quite good without it. The reason for 240 vs the advertised best temp of 225 is simply because my smoker seems to have a natural tendency to settle at a steady 240. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.orgwrote: Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
Ok, I was trying to stay out of this, but the mention of New Belgium's products brings to mind my favorite beer, which I drink a six-pack of a year whether I need it or not. It's their 1554 Bavarian Black Ale. That's some good stuff! From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Fat Tire is New Belgium's most bleh product. It is quite good, but their other stuff I enjoy much more! From: Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) From hereabouts, I like Fat Tire. From over yonder, I like Monty Python's Holy Grail. There are very few stouts I like except one from a micro where I currently reside, and I don't drink it too often. Can't stand Guinness no matter what you do with it --- http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4041.html -Paul From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I like Newcastle. So, if it's filth, please share what I should look for instead. I'm pretty open to trying new options, but I just can't drink the really dark and heavy options, such as Guinness. I know it's very popular, and I wouldn't dream of insulting those that drink it. To each their own, in my opinion. Joe Heaton ITB - Windows Server Support From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:47 AM To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) That was me in sweeping generalization mode I was actually quite surprised to hear the filth known as Newcastle Brown Ale is actually quite popular in the States On 13 March 2012 14:08, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: We brew ales here, too. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: American beer is lager This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the american beer is water type arguments. The burgers wars were just incredible. Who knew burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, cooking methods, etc etc etc. It was such a horrible thread, I being the list owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion. It has been 10 years since all three thread topics were banned. When we tuba players gather at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name calling that went on in those discussions. They would have made Gary Slinger look like a saint! :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Is it the well done/not well done burger debate? I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the discussion. It must have been truly heinous. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s. There are three banned topics: Drum Bugle Corp Burgers Beer Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer and hamburgers!!! But in that world, those are world war starting topics. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.commailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com] Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
Snap, me too - for the taste of Newcastle Brown Ale, not the football aspect. Whereas Old Speckled Hen is quite a nice pint. From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 17:36 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I actually despise Newcastle Brown Ale as it is brewed in the city that hosts the rivals of my own football team. I therefore would hate their ale even if it tasted like ambrosia. Luckily, I think it actually is rank. I don't mind Speckled Hen, tho! Nice caramel-ly aftertaste to it ---Blackberried From: Gary Whitten li...@undiscoveredworlds.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:57 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Per James’ comment in a previous email, I’ve been told a number of beers that are popular/well-received in the US have low opinions in the UK or elsewhere in Europe. Newcastle and Old Speckled Hen are two examples. Definitely agree with Kurt. ….Stone. Young’s Double Chocolate. ☺ Add in Southern Tier in NY and Mendocino Brewing in CA as two more of my US faves. Also love almost everything Samuel Smith. From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Most American major brands (Bud, Coors, Miller, etc.) are swill, not lager. OTOH, there are a *lot* of smaller brands with good stouts, porters, IPAs and others. I'm particularly fond of some of the Stone offerings, and Young's Chocolate Stout, among others. Heck, I also like Shiner Bock. Kurt On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:53, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: American beer is lager This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the american beer is water type arguments. The burgers wars were just incredible. Who knew burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, cooking methods, etc etc etc. It was such a horrible thread, I being the list owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion. It has been 10 years since all three thread topics were banned. When we tuba players gather at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name calling that went on in those discussions. They would have made Gary Slinger look like a saint! :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Is it the well done/not well done burger debate? I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the discussion. It must have been truly heinous. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s. There are three banned topics: Drum Bugle Corp Burgers Beer Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer and hamburgers!!! But in that world, those are world war starting topics. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.commailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com] Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of
Re: list delays
It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: New to virtualization
Best hope your NetApp is connected via some means to the internet (or whatever black magic the NetApp uses to talk back to the mothership so they can send you an email). From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 18:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) That is GREAT to hear, thx From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization I'm really just getting started here myself, but... VM NICs connect to real ESX NICs, and you will need some ESX NICs for redundancy, for management, for a possible DMZ in the future, etc. Oh yeah - the ESX hosts need NICs for the iSCSI connection to the datastore. Figure on getting some dedicated network switches as well and work out some subnetting (so the management, kernel, and other connections are not a part of your main LAN). NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
Re: list delays
It's just a joke I stick in there. I wasn't aware it was affecting list performance. Is my signature the reason Lyris is so slow? Didn't think so. Most signatures are long and useless - my signature just parodies this. If it causes you offence, I'll remove it. My deepest apologies. On 14 March 2012 13:49, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin;
RE: (homedrive)
It sounds like Bob had a WDRAP Actually we had some use-it-or-lose-it PSS hours left over and I had a one day engagement with an AD PFE for some issues I wanted to go over. He said he did the desktop optimization stuff when he was bored or when there were AD implications (go away Carl) Our desktop folks who are struggling with poor startup times on XP had a similar engagement to the WDRAP last year but I believe they totally focused on slow startup. Needless to say, the fellow we had showed us some things with xperf in just a couple of minutes that weren't part of the takeaway for the desktop guy I discussed it with. As you said, almost all of the countless things that were contributors had nothing to do with AD or the network, rather the configuration of various workstation elements. -Original Message- From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) Second the xperf tracing here - you can get a lot of insight. There are countless components that play into the logon and startup processes outside of this. It sounds like Bob had a WDRAP which is a good use of premier dollars if you have such a contract in place. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) The way it was explained to me was if the profile tab was used in ADUC to make the setting, that it is legacy NT. Makes sense when you think about other methods to do it that than the legacy ones, such as GPP or GPO login scripts. In our case we were only talking about the home directory and login script. Profiles or software installation are another case. I've been discussing it offline with Brian D and he said he had reached out to someone, he has a pretty long reach so I expect some better answers are forthcoming. :-) If you are struggling with slow logins, I'd strongly suggest getting familiar with xperf. It's an amazing tool. The Dude where's my PFE blog is a great resource for xperf. http://blogs.technet.com/b/jeff_stokes/archive/2011/12/05/xperf-o-rama.aspx -Original Message- From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) I've been following this thread very closely as we've experienced extremely slow logins and yes we use the roaming profile and home directory settings on the profile tab in ADUC. Does anyone know what the statement, When a user has a roaming user profile or a home directory for logon purposes, actually means? Specifically the part, for logon purposes? Does it just mean that if the user has a home directory or profile defined or something totally different? Also, what is the recommended way to do home directory mapping and profiles, if not in the profile tab? From some of the links, I'm guessing a group policy preference, but not sure. -Original Message- From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.210.3.203] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_748CF90EABA4224ABF3D957402E1271515146A84EXCHMBFF123Util_ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forwarded --_000_748CF90EABA4224ABF3D957402E1271515146A84EXCHMBFF123Util_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Better link than the one from MSDN http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc758898(v=3Dws.10).aspx Fast Logon Optimization is always off during logon under the following cond= itions: When a user *first* logs on to a computer. (the MSDN link leaves out the o= perative word...doh) When a user has a roaming user profile or a home directory for logon purpos= es. When a user has synchronous logon scripts. From: Free, Bob Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:39 AM To: 'NT System Admin Issues' Subject: RE: (homedrive) When he told us about it, I figured out the reg keys associated with logon = optimization from something Darren had blogged and tested it and sure enoug= h, when I removed the logon script and home folder in ADUC and rebooted 2x = the key changed state, my logon was faster and without the applying your s= ettings screen or whatever it is on XP. This guy knew his stuff about slo= w logons and gave us a whirlwind tour of xperf from another customer engage= ment. Very cool tool. Unbelievable amount of detail about startup is availa= ble from it. I did a cursory search back then for something more authoritative than thi= s PFE told me and found this http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windo= ws/desktop/aa374350(v=3Dvs.85).aspx I haven't had time
Security and social media
This article kicked off an interesting discussion on our IT management team about security and social networks. Not just the social engineering hack used here, but also monitoring for the impact of articles, comments, blog posts, etc. on a company and its reputation. Some of the questions included; Who's responsible for monitoring and reporting on this type of information? IT, HR, Legal, and Marketing are certainly all stakeholders. IT is clearly involved, but do they own the process? What kind of tools, if any, exist to address these kinds of needs. Can you roll your own toolset easily through Google searches that send notifications, LinkedIn queries, Twitter searches, etc? http://fox2now.com/2012/03/12/linkedin-is-a-hackers-dream-tool/ RSA has a couple of videos from last year about some of these issues. (disclaimer, I haven't watched these yet but plan on doing so). http://365.rsaconference.com/community/archive/usa/blog/tags/social_networks Thoughts, comments and sly remarks all welcome, as are links to additional information, videos, and seminars addressing these topics. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: My SBS swing brag
Thanks Dave. Sounds like the printer migration process is pretty straight forward with the main requirements being you need a 32 bit client with all the target print drivers, and you have to initially manually add the new printers to the 64 bit server. Did the new server require 64 bit or 32 bit driver downloads from external sources, or other work? Regards, Don K From: David Lum david@nwea.org To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: RE: My SBS swing brag Printers are a manual re-add at the server. Client PC’s are a mix of 64-bit Win7 and 32-bit XP but after loading the 32-bit drivers on the server (from an XP box) the client PC’s didn’t notice the change and I didn’t have to touch ‘em. In a very real sense I didn’t have to touch any of the PC’s for this swing upgrade. For overall time and 17 users it *might* have been same/same to create a new SBS domain from scratch and disjoin/rejoin the PC’s and create “new” user accounts and PST all that crap over (I think I have 30-ish hours into the swing soup to nuts, including testing), but that would require me knowing all the users’ password and logging in as them and RDP-ing to each one. Dave From:Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I gotta ask how if the kit included the print migrations procedures from 32 bit to 64 bit - you mentioned that went well, so it begs the question :) From:Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _might_ be oversimplifying it J Dave From:James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee’s hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 – SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there’s a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home directories from share-per-user to single share/ABE/SBS2011 default locations: Check Worthy to note that SBS2011 really encourages you (er, me) to not treat SBS like just a small domain with Exchange. Pretty slick OS too. I could NOT have done it without the SBSSwing kit, there are so many little things that Jeff’s team has figured out. I don’t have any current certs, but I passed that test! W00t! David Lum Systems Engineer //NWEATM Office 503.548.5229//Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a
Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
I think you need to provide samples to prove your pulled pork is worthy of the challenge ! [?]: ) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.orgwrote: Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin32B.gif
Re: (homedrive)
Using it is painful enough I would hate to have to administer it Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: You have never configured BMC Remedy then :) Cheers Ken From: Jeff Brown [mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com] Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 2:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) It’s TOTALLY Citrix’s fault :) VBG Because they made citrix config so complicated that only a genius like Carl Webster can get it configured correctly!! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
I was at Costco a week ago and noticed they are selling the Big Green Egg. My mouth instantly started to water. Came with a nest, shelves for about $800. I am seriously tempted to make the investment in my culinary future. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Kevin Lundy klu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't do competitions (don't want to commit the required time), but being a good NC boy, I'll take that challenge. Of course, being a good NC boy, taking the challenge = another excuse to eat some Q Dry rub, sometimes inject with Apple cider, smoke 240 degrees until it's done. Put it in a cooler wrapped in a towel for half our or so, then pull it. Because I like it, I then mix in a middle NC vinegar/pepper sauce, but it is quite good without it. The reason for 240 vs the advertised best temp of 225 is simply because my smoker seems to have a natural tendency to settle at a steady 240. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org wrote: Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: My SBS swing brag
I wouldn't consider it an illegal copy. Perhaps it is in violation of an unenforcable portion of the eula. note: I am not a lawyer and do not play one on television. I could have finished the uninstall of the SBS server, but that process, while technically makes it a standalone server breaks things enough that you would want to rebuild it. So, I just stopped before the migration broke the server. During the MS documented migration process, MS instructs you to remove A/D, sbcore etc and leaves you with a 2003 std server. I just happen to have the 2003 server, but sbcore still there. Jonathan Link wrote: Kinda what I thought, might be a technical licensing violation... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Doesn't that make it an illegal copy? -Original Message- From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I just did one but just used the MS docs. I didn't actually go all the way with it. Got most everything migrated then broke the sbcore.exe service on the SBS2003 machine so I could leave the old machine up and not move all the printers, scan to SMB folders, and antivirus software. The machine was still good for those light duty activities and it simplified everything and saved the client some money. Bill Jonathan Link wrote: Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _/might/_ be oversimplifying it J Dave *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee's hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 - SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there's a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home directories from share-per-user to single share/ABE/SBS2011 default locations: Check Worthy to note that SBS2011 really encourages you (er, me) to not treat SBS like just a small domain with Exchange. Pretty slick OS too. I could NOT have done it without the SBSSwing kit, there are so many little things that Jeff's team has figured out. I don't have any current certs, but I passed that test! W00t! *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEA^TM Office 503.548.5229
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
That sounds excellent. One question, you mention the temp of your smoker. Do you use a regular dial temp gauge or did you upgrade to a digital one that you can set at the cooking grate? I ask this because if you use a digital thermo set at the cooking grate versus a dial gauge towards the top of the smoker you can notice anywher from a 10-50 degree temp difference. The digital thermo is a lot more accurate and also measures the heat where the food actually cooks at, the grate, not the top of the lid. As a side note another nice thing about the digital thermo is most come with a remote control so that if you stray too far from your smoker for a bit you don't have to worry about temp spikes. I spent about 20.00 for mine. From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I don't do competitions (don't want to commit the required time), but being a good NC boy, I'll take that challenge. Of course, being a good NC boy, taking the challenge = another excuse to eat some Q Dry rub, sometimes inject with Apple cider, smoke 240 degrees until it's done. Put it in a cooler wrapped in a towel for half our or so, then pull it. Because I like it, I then mix in a middle NC vinegar/pepper sauce, but it is quite good without it. The reason for 240 vs the advertised best temp of 225 is simply because my smoker seems to have a natural tendency to settle at a steady 240. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.orgmailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org wrote: Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.orgmailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.commailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: list delays
Yes, Y U no be using UR real name? I have be using my name for real and I no the everyone's here also like the real names. Pleaz Mr. Cynicalgeek, do explain the no real name you be using. Also Plez forgive my much bad English as I was growing up in place called Iowa. UR Friend, Amit On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
Ok, that’s three mentions of Old Speckled Hen. Gonna have to head over to BevMo after work now… Joe Heaton ITB – Windows Server Support From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:37 AM To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Snap, me too - for the taste of Newcastle Brown Ale, not the football aspect. Whereas Old Speckled Hen is quite a nice pint. From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 17:36 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I actually despise Newcastle Brown Ale as it is brewed in the city that hosts the rivals of my own football team. I therefore would hate their ale even if it tasted like ambrosia. Luckily, I think it actually is rank. I don't mind Speckled Hen, tho! Nice caramel-ly aftertaste to it ---Blackberried From: Gary Whitten li...@undiscoveredworlds.commailto:li...@undiscoveredworlds.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:57 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Per James’ comment in a previous email, I’ve been told a number of beers that are popular/well-received in the US have low opinions in the UK or elsewhere in Europe. Newcastle and Old Speckled Hen are two examples. Definitely agree with Kurt. ….Stone. Young’s Double Chocolate. ☺ Add in Southern Tier in NY and Mendocino Brewing in CA as two more of my US faves. Also love almost everything Samuel Smith. From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Most American major brands (Bud, Coors, Miller, etc.) are swill, not lager. OTOH, there are a *lot* of smaller brands with good stouts, porters, IPAs and others. I'm particularly fond of some of the Stone offerings, and Young's Chocolate Stout, among others. Heck, I also like Shiner Bock. Kurt On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:53, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: American beer is lager This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the american beer is water type arguments. The burgers wars were just incredible. Who knew burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, cooking methods, etc etc etc. It was such a horrible thread, I being the list owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion. It has been 10 years since all three thread topics were banned. When we tuba players gather at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name calling that went on in those discussions. They would have made Gary Slinger look like a saint! :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Is it the well done/not well done burger debate? I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the discussion. It must have been truly heinous. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s. There are three banned topics: Drum Bugle Corp Burgers Beer Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer and hamburgers!!! But in that world, those are world war starting topics. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.commailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com] Subject: RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
Re: list delays
It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: list delays
Mr. Jim. UR joke not being found much funny and it has a most annoyingness length to it's longness. Plez be not including in postings. Am I wondering about perhaps UR signatue compensating for U much lacking shortness elsewhere? Minds of inquiry are wanting to know. Thankz for no long sig. UR Friend, Amit On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: It's just a joke I stick in there. I wasn't aware it was affecting list performance. Is my signature the reason Lyris is so slow? Didn't think so. Most signatures are long and useless - my signature just parodies this. If it causes you offence, I'll remove it. My deepest apologies. On 14 March 2012 13:49, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT
RE: New to virtualization
Yes, they told me that is part of the setup. From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Best hope your NetApp is connected via some means to the internet (or whatever black magic the NetApp uses to talk back to the mothership so they can send you an email). From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 18:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) That is GREAT to hear, thx From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization I'm really just getting started here myself, but... VM NICs connect to real ESX NICs, and you will need some ESX NICs for redundancy, for management, for a possible DMZ in the future, etc. Oh yeah - the ESX hosts need NICs for the iSCSI connection to the datastore. Figure on getting some dedicated network switches as well and work out some subnetting (so the management, kernel, and other connections are not a part of your main LAN). NetApp makes good SANs, and their support is great! (A drive starts to go bad, and you get an email from support asking where to ship it to, etc. Sometimes that is the first and perhaps only indication something is going wrong.) From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: list delays
It doesn't offend me, I just think it's unproductive for the computer maintaining the list and those reading the list. There is much discussion on this list along the lines of you're wasting our time by not researching yourselves, or not describing the problem sufficiently. How much time is wasting by scrolling past your signature. I can overlook it, I'm just making suggestions to make the community better. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: It's just a joke I stick in there. I wasn't aware it was affecting list performance. Is my signature the reason Lyris is so slow? Didn't think so. Most signatures are long and useless - my signature just parodies this. If it causes you offence, I'll remove it. My deepest apologies. On 14 March 2012 13:49, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to
RE: List Speed?
And that would differ from the current situation how? :) Can't please 100% of people 100% of the time... Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I'm paying good money for this?!?!) -Paul From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? I'd be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I've gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I've been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: List Speed?
Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor software or a configuration problem :) From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 2:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is free or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I’m paying good money for this?!?!) -Paul From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? I’d be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I’ve gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I’ve been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
That is some seriously good stuff. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kim Longenbaugh k...@colonialsavings.comwrote: Ok, I was trying to stay out of this, but the mention of New Belgium’s products brings to mind my favorite beer, which I drink a six-pack of a year whether I need it or not. ** ** It’s their 1554 Bavarian Black Ale. That’s some good stuff! ** ** *From:* Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:56 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) ** ** Fat Tire is New Belgium's most bleh product. It is quite good, but their other stuff I enjoy much more! -- *From:* Maglinger, Paul [pmaglin...@scvl.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:37 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) From hereabouts, I like Fat Tire. From over yonder, I like Monty Python’s Holy Grail. There are very few stouts I like except one from a micro where I currently reside, and I don’t drink it too often. Can’t stand Guinness no matter what you do with it --- http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4041.html -Paul *From:* Heaton, Joseph@DFG [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:29 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I like Newcastle. So, if it’s filth, please share what I should look for instead. I’m pretty open to trying new options, but I just can’t drink the really dark and heavy options, such as Guinness. I know it’s very popular, and I wouldn’t dream of insulting those that drink it. To each their own, in my opinion. Joe Heaton ITB – Windows Server Support *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:47 AM *To:* Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) That was me in sweeping generalization mode I was actually quite surprised to hear the filth known as Newcastle Brown Ale is actually quite popular in the States On 13 March 2012 14:08, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:*** * We brew ales here, too. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: American beer is lager This topic will now soon be banned from here too, along with BBQ sauce On 13 March 2012 13:23, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: It is an international mailing list and you can imagine the american beer is water type arguments. The burgers wars were just incredible. Who knew burgers, the types of meat, the style of cooking, comparing various chains, cooking methods, etc etc etc. It was such a horrible thread, I being the list owner had to step in and ban the topic from further discussion. It has been 10 years since all three thread topics were banned. When we tuba players gather at conferences, the list members still talk about the vile language and name calling that went on in those discussions. They would have made Gary Slinger look like a saint! :) ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) Is it the well done/not well done burger debate? I can't imagine what situation arose that needed to ban beer from the discussion. It must have been truly heinous. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:* *** I run a mailing list for tuba and euphonium players since mid 90s. There are three banned topics: Drum Bugle Corp Burgers Beer Who would have thought that tuba players would be banned from discussing beer and hamburgers!!! But in that world, those are world war starting topics. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ -- *From:* John Leto [jo...@colonialsavings.com] *Subject:* RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I agree. It's been my experience that the topics that start the most fights around here are indeed politics, religion, and BBQ. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
Re: list delays
I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: list delays
*shrug* Leave. I'm not sure why you think your right to not use your name trumps his right to have a humorous signature on something when he uses his real name. You're the first to complain about it, it gets hidden more than half the time by gmail (for me), so I don't see what the problem is. You call it unprofessional, some people call it blowing off steam. The only masters of this list are GFI and/or Stu. Frequent posters can berate or attack you just as easily if you use your name or not. So, again, not sure what your beef is. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: list delays
I know a Ross Brownlee that also plays the trombone...are you related? On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an
RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues
Guys, could you do me a favor, have a look at this product (it's relevant to the discussion) and tell me what you think about this new kind of functionality? Thanks ! http://www.knowbe4.com/products/instant-revert/ Stu From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues You're right - you don't see SANS all that often on JDs (though DoD ask for it and a few other US agencies .. I'm UK based and you also see it a bit more here now including some Home Office/Intelligence areas). However, I've always found it something of a talking point in interviews, and having the written assignments published (what's called a Gold certification these days) can also help demonstrate writing skills and ability to explain highly technical data clearly. Personally, I find GSEC (and therefore CISSP since they're 75% similar) a nightmare to study for! Too much information .. 10 miles high and 1cm deep. Much prefer the harder certs where you go really deep in one area like GCIH. The main advantage of SANS certs however is their instructors and content - the ability to hit the ground running afterwards. You will do your job better after attending unless you are God-like already! Anyway, I feel the OT giant coming to tickle me, so I'll hush now before a huge conversation on certifications starts up! =) a From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: 13 March 2012 15:49 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Yeah going to need it, got less time than CISSP to study for this one, but I know 3-5 domains cold from the CISSP so that is just a review, I just need to think about stuff through the auditors eyes. Looking for a pass the first time, and then off to C.E.H and CRISC in December. I have been thinking about the SANS certifications but I just don't see a clammering for them in the job places. I was looking to possibly go the GSNA route which would tie in with my CISA (when I get it) GL On your GSEC re-cert you should ace that pretty easy, GCIH is a little harder but not unachieveable. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Yup, no disagreement there .. my response was more to Stu's point in that what he described can help increase security in a very general manner in an organisation, but really the business context is where the value is. Good luck with the CISA! I'm re-certifying my GSEC again at the moment and GCIH this time next year, so also under a weight of study and prep! ;o) a From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: 13 March 2012 12:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Alan, I totally agree, that is why I always vet the scans I get from any VA scan and qualitatively risk prioritize them based on what is critical for the business. Again with healthcare its protection of the CIA of EPHI when stored, transmitted or processed and any and all systems that are in the eco-system of that processing. The scans are done as part testing of the controls of an information system, but it is not a means to an end nor is its findings absolutely material to an auditor in determining the controls or lack thereof in an information system, there are plenty of other things that an auditor must consider via the ISACA auditing standard ( trust me I am going to be taking my CISA in june, and there is a lot more to it than I even understood, because I was only looking at it from the Risk Management and Compliance aspect, and totally missed all the pieces that make up Governance) But I do agree Auditors are usually not technical enough to go deep enough into the technologies and find the trust issues so they can be raised to management and corrective actions to be taken, this is one of the issues I have always had sometimes when dealing with auditors ( especially from the big 4 firms, they have had little or no background in systems administration, security engineering, database management, and other core responsibilities in the areas they are to audit, therefore they usually don't have the technical expertise needs to complete what needs to be done on the audit. ( which kinda goes contracting to what the ISACA auditing standards require)( Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org From: Alan Davies
Re: list delays
You so remind me of N3td3v. Actually you're slightly more amusing. ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Amit Hanji amit.ha...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:55:12 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: list delays Mr. Jim. UR joke not being found much funny and it has a most annoyingness length to it's longness. Plez be not including in postings. Am I wondering about perhaps UR signatue compensating for U much lacking shortness elsewhere? Minds of inquiry are wanting to know. Thankz for no long sig. UR Friend, Amit On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: It's just a joke I stick in there. I wasn't aware it was affecting list performance. Is my signature the reason Lyris is so slow? Didn't think so. Most signatures are long and useless - my signature just parodies this. If it causes you offence, I'll remove it. My deepest apologies. On 14 March 2012 13:49, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
Those are pretty nice but if you'd like something just as nice for about half of the money you might look into a WSM which is a Weber Smokey Mountain. It's a bullet style smoker set up pretty much just like the green egg. It does an excellent job, easy to use and again it's about half the price. From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) I was at Costco a week ago and noticed they are selling the Big Green Egg. My mouth instantly started to water. Came with a nest, shelves for about $800. I am seriously tempted to make the investment in my culinary future. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Kevin Lundy klu...@gmail.commailto:klu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't do competitions (don't want to commit the required time), but being a good NC boy, I'll take that challenge. Of course, being a good NC boy, taking the challenge = another excuse to eat some Q Dry rub, sometimes inject with Apple cider, smoke 240 degrees until it's done. Put it in a cooler wrapped in a towel for half our or so, then pull it. Because I like it, I then mix in a middle NC vinegar/pepper sauce, but it is quite good without it. The reason for 240 vs the advertised best temp of 225 is simply because my smoker seems to have a natural tendency to settle at a steady 240. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.orgmailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org wrote: Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.orgmailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.commailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
I use a regular old dial guage. It probably is different at the grate. But I'm used to cooking with the temp at that level now, regardless of what I'm doing. (e.g. roasting a chicken). So to change now would almost be a new learning curve. Wait, that would just be an excuse to cook more, so, I might just have to use that as an excuse. I don't worry about temp spikes. I smoke on a ceramic smoker and once you get it dialed in, it pretty much will keep that temp until it runs out of fuel. I once did a brisket and wanted to burn all the fuel so I could give it a good cleaning. I just let the thring go. It ran 26 hours at 240 without me touching the fire or making any adjustments. Obviously the brisket came out much earlier. I have a Kamado, which is basically a Green Egg with a fancy tile job. http://www.komodokamado.com/ (mine is pictured on there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to go through all the pics) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:46 AM, John Leto jo...@colonialsavings.comwrote: That sounds excellent. One question, you mention the temp of your smoker. Do you use a regular dial temp gauge or did you upgrade to a digital one that you can set at the cooking grate? I ask this because if you use a digital thermo set at the cooking grate versus a dial gauge towards the top of the smoker you can notice anywher from a 10-50 degree temp difference. The digital thermo is a lot more accurate and also measures the heat where the food actually cooks at, the grate, not the top of the lid. ** ** As a side note another nice thing about the digital thermo is most come with a remote control so that if you stray too far from your smoker for a bit you don't have to worry about temp spikes. I spent about 20.00 for mine. ** ** *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:32 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) ** ** I don't do competitions (don't want to commit the required time), but being a good NC boy, I'll take that challenge. Of course, being a good NC boy, taking the challenge = another excuse to eat some Q Dry rub, sometimes inject with Apple cider, smoke 240 degrees until it's done. Put it in a cooler wrapped in a towel for half our or so, then pull it. Because I like it, I then mix in a middle NC vinegar/pepper sauce, but it is quite good without it. The reason for 240 vs the advertised best temp of 225 is simply because my smoker seems to have a natural tendency to settle at a steady 240. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org wrote: Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
Re: list delays
I think your moniker is well-deserved - masters of the list is very cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw fit to speak to my employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail mail, I'd see fit to go over to knock on their door and have it out with them. I come from a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend to see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if necessary, and sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone here would do that, though. Maybe I'm naive geek, but I'm not worrying about it. IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers. Signature will soon be gone. Cheers, JR On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA)
I love my Big Green Egg. It takes a little time to get used to how it works vs a regular grill or smoker, but the results are great. The egg is so good at holding moisture in your meats i don't worry about injecting, or wrapping in towels or other things that people do with other smokers. if you are doing a slow cook, the charcoal can last a while. I have filled the firebox with charcoal, put a couple of pork butts on and not had to touch the coals for 11 hours. The one thing people often don't realize about it is you can also use it as a convection oven (mmm, piza) or as a super hot searing station for your steaks. I can get the thermometer in the dome to 700 degrees. Then I have a small grate i set directly on the coals at the bottom. Then very, very carefully I set the steaks on the grate...delicious ny strips in 3-4 minutes. BillSteve Ens wrote: I was at Costco a week ago and noticed they are selling the Big Green Egg. My mouth instantly started to water. Came with a nest, shelves for about $800. I am seriously tempted to make the investment in my culinary future. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Kevin Lundy klu...@gmail.com mailto:klu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't do competitions (don't want to commit the required time), but being a good NC boy, I'll take that challenge. Of course, being a good NC boy, taking the challenge = another excuse to eat some Q Dry rub, sometimes inject with Apple cider, smoke 240 degrees until it's done. Put it in a cooler wrapped in a towel for half our or so, then pull it. Because I like it, I then mix in a middle NC vinegar/pepper sauce, but it is quite good without it. The reason for 240 vs the advertised best temp of 225 is simply because my smoker seems to have a natural tendency to settle at a steady 240. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org wrote: Trade you pulled pork cooking methods, rubs, and sauce recipes... :-) I'll put my pulled pork up against anyone anywhere anytime... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Carolina BBQ Sauce (was Re: Proxy server and ISA) As for BBQ sauce... I don't use it. Well, except on pulled pork. But I'm still building the sauce from the drippings I managed to catch. And if you're done cooking in less than 6 hours, you're just grillin... Just sayin... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: list delays
I read this list in Gmail or the Gmail apps on my phone or tablet and the signature that James uses has never been an issue, once I've read the top of the email I collapse the mail and read the next one. As for replies, Gmails hiding of the previous message that the email was in response to means I never see it again. Tony On 14 March 2012 15:56, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't offend me, I just think it's unproductive for the computer maintaining the list and those reading the list. There is much discussion on this list along the lines of you're wasting our time by not researching yourselves, or not describing the problem sufficiently. How much time is wasting by scrolling past your signature. I can overlook it, I'm just making suggestions to make the community better. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: It's just a joke I stick in there. I wasn't aware it was affecting list performance. Is my signature the reason Lyris is so slow? Didn't think so. Most signatures are long and useless - my signature just parodies this. If it causes you offence, I'll remove it. My deepest apologies. On 14 March 2012 13:49, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: Windows File Archive [LIST ADMIN MESSAGE]
Let's put this thread to bed. Warm regards, Stu From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive Greg it was not me. I work nights now and keep out of the loop on a lot of stuff but I am still on the list. Jon (Lakeland) On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: Sorry was this Jon Harris, formerly in Lakeland FL, or John Harris and not based in the Tampa area.. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.commailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive Sorry to hear. I'm sad for his family and would like to express condolences for their loss. Don K From: William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.commailto:dangerw...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Windows File Archive John Harris passed rather unexpectedly, don't know if you recall him from the other list or not Kurt. - WJR On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 23:01, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Do tell. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 19:23, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.commailto:michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Today is a sad day for many of us. Let it slide. -- Espi On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.commailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Think it's about time to set a Gary rule. Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.commailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: I bring my own. Fuckmonkey was a timely volunteer for me to vent. fuck him. From: Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:43:22 -0800 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Windows File Archive Hotel bar out of alcohol again? ;o) On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.commailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with you damn do-gooders trying to answer his question is: * he hasn't stated what system he's working on, * or copying to, * or what he's tried, * or what he's considered. Is robocopy a windows only solution? (All I know it as, and I'm not interested enough to look it up). Suppose he's on unix, linux, or mac? (I understand some people use those?). Or even some old fashioned big iron or something in-between like an AS/400 (yes, I know what they're called now)... I realize it's not likely, given the third-grade nature of his question. But after all, he does work for a company billing itself as 'Your Technology Solutions Provider'. So be careful, folks, he's a 'professional'. Shit, for all I can tell from the original post, he's trying to copy PDF's from his SAN to his iPhone or something. Via his Outlook Server or Linux Email or something. Actually, I apologize. Carpet boy was probably smarter. And yes, I realize how dumb that sounds. FFS. From: Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 02:18:39 + To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Windows File Archive Robocopy with /MINAGE switch. You can exclude any files newer than your limit. From: Cesare' A. Ramos [cra...@idfllc.commailto:cra...@idfllc.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows File Archive Hellos all. Looking for a utility to scan a storage server and copy off files that have not been accessed in the past 180 days to an external archive solution. Any thoughts? CAR This e-Mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-Mail in error please notify the sender via returned e-Mail. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-Mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Although IDF operates anti-virus programs, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. ** Think before you print this message.
RE: list delays
*snort* From: Amit Hanji [mailto:amit.ha...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Mr. Jim. UR joke not being found much funny and it has a most annoyingness length to it's longness. Plez be not including in postings. Am I wondering about perhaps UR signatue compensating for U much lacking shortness elsewhere? Minds of inquiry are wanting to know. Thankz for no long sig. UR Friend, Amit On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's just a joke I stick in there. I wasn't aware it was affecting list performance. Is my signature the reason Lyris is so slow? Didn't think so. Most signatures are long and useless - my signature just parodies this. If it causes you offence, I'll remove it. My deepest apologies. On 14 March 2012 13:49, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.commailto:jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.commailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.commailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.comhttp://gmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful
Re: list delays
And profanity free! :-P -- Espi On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.comwrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: List Speed?
In the absence of updates and information rumors and dark thoughts grow... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukwrote: Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor software or a configuration problem :) -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 14 March 2012 2:17 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is free or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I’m paying good money for this?!?!) ** ** -Paul ** ** *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: List Speed? ** ** I’d be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I’ve gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I’ve been exposed to, ever. ** ** Regards, ** ** Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? ** ** I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... ** ** Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 ** ** It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. ** ** I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. ** ** My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. ** ** * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. ** ** /$.02 ** ** 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? ** ** A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). ** ** I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? ** ** Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. -- *MIRA Ltd* ** ** Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 ** ** The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: list delays
Dang it, I was going to do that but had to go to a meeting. Well done sir. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.commailto:jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.commailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.commailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: New to virtualization
Also, before you start planning DR, you might want to see what the business says needs to be up and how quickly ( RTO) before, that will dictate what you will probably have to replicate to another DC or offsite. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization If you are looking at DR and replication DEFINITELY - notice big capital bold letters there :) look at the costs involved with each vendor for doing storage level replication. Some of the vendors costs can (and will) make you wince, not to mention the fact that with most vendors you're essentially stuck paying for a second storage array which in an ideal world you'll never actually use. If you have a remote office I'll echo again that you should check out the Virtual SAN appliances as they will do all the stuff that the hardware appliances do, but at your remote office(s) you can just drop in a VM on a half-decent server rather than needing another $20k array and $10k of replication licenses. You can of course do VM level replication using things like SRM or Veeam, it's probably lower cost, but it adds another layer of software into the mix depending what you're planning on doing for backup. Paul From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Haven't discussed clustering yet. I will probably look at a DR planning first? co-location or replicating to another of my offices maybe? WOW - I just noticed all the replies trickling in due to the delays of this list. THANKS EVERYONE! This really turned into a great thread, w/ tons of info. From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization Good topic David as I'm planning for a similar environment so I am interested in the same answers. Using Hyper-V and Remote Desktop Services, main office and remote office with 6 servers and ~100+ people. Quick answers to some of the questions. Most recommend at least one physical box that is a DC, DNS, DHCP and management server. If everything happens to be off at the same time having this physical box online first solves issues of no DC being available. Yes you can schedule the VMs to start in a certain order but are all the other pieces running also. Exchange 2010 is supported being virtualized. I have no experience with Citrix but I'm sure Webster will be able to answer the question. Additional DCs can be virtualized. Only you can answer whether 7 TB of storage is enough. How much do you have now? What is expected growth rate? How expandable is the SAN? Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise includes the ability to run up to 4 VMs included in the price. You are not limited to 4. These 4 can be any combination of Standard or Enterprise. If you want to run more than 4 you need to have the appropriate number of server licenses. Windows Server 2008 R2 Datacenter includes the ability to run unlimited VMs. Well unlimited up to the limits of your hardware, CPU, RAM, etc. Datacenter is licensed per CPU and minimum of 2 CPUs. This is where a cost analysis will help. Do you plan on clustering the servers? From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after
Re: list delays
Not according to his LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/lbrownlee - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:39, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote: I know a Ross Brownlee that also plays the trombone...are you related? On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T
Re: My SBS swing brag
Also, this setup is temporary...i.e. to be rectified after April 15th. The client didn't agree to the project until mid-december and they are a CPA firm. So there was a rush to get things done before the new year. So, yes longer term than what MS specifies, but it will be resolved. Bill Humphries wrote: I wouldn't consider it an illegal copy. Perhaps it is in violation of an unenforcable portion of the eula. note: I am not a lawyer and do not play one on television. I could have finished the uninstall of the SBS server, but that process, while technically makes it a standalone server breaks things enough that you would want to rebuild it. So, I just stopped before the migration broke the server. During the MS documented migration process, MS instructs you to remove A/D, sbcore etc and leaves you with a 2003 std server. I just happen to have the 2003 server, but sbcore still there. Jonathan Link wrote: Kinda what I thought, might be a technical licensing violation... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Doesn't that make it an illegal copy? -Original Message- From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I just did one but just used the MS docs. I didn't actually go all the way with it. Got most everything migrated then broke the sbcore.exe service on the SBS2003 machine so I could leave the old machine up and not move all the printers, scan to SMB folders, and antivirus software. The machine was still good for those light duty activities and it simplified everything and saved the client some money. Bill Jonathan Link wrote: Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _/might/_ be oversimplifying it J Dave *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee's hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 - SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there's a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home directories from share-per-user to single share/ABE/SBS2011 default locations: Check Worthy to note that SBS2011 really encourages you (er, me) to not treat SBS like just a small domain with Exchange. Pretty slick OS
RE: list delays
Oh it's not that bad. It's not like there are people here waiting to pounce on any stupid or lazy questions. Most of the time they are ignored or simply giving enough information to people on their way. Even with a perceived lazy stupid question, I have seen the tones change once it's understood the person is genuinely lost. Or once in my case an attacker changed tones when he learned I had been up for 29 hours. Some might argue we have a couple vulgarians but this is not a work environment. You have to look past the profanity and see what is being said. As to unprofessional? That definition varies and even then this is an information source on the Internet. It's not a place of business. People here are professionals and we don't get the emo tweens which frequent web sites. Finally, why not use your real name? From: Cynicalgeek [mailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.commailto:jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.commailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.commailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.commailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click
Re: (homedrive)
Better then using HEAT. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Using it is painful enough I would hate to have to administer it Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto: k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: You have never configured BMC Remedy then :) Cheers Ken From: Jeff Brown [mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com] Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 2:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) It’s TOTALLY Citrix’s fault :) VBG Because they made citrix config so complicated that only a genius like Carl Webster can get it configured correctly!! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: list delays
Please do NOT remove your sig. Unless you replace it with an even better sig, of course. :-) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I think your moniker is well-deserved - masters of the list is very cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw fit to speak to my employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail mail, I'd see fit to go over to knock on their door and have it out with them. I come from a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend to see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if necessary, and sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone here would do that, though. Maybe I'm naive geek, but I'm not worrying about it. IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers. Signature will soon be gone. Cheers, JR On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ---
RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues
I agree on the Sans training took 501 Auditing Perimeter networks with Tanya Baccam and hit the the grown running working with Backtrack 4/5 auditing my systems well worth the price I paided for the 6 day course. I definitely recommend taking any course that she teaches, a lot of fun and smart also. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Guys, could you do me a favor, have a look at this product (it's relevant to the discussion) and tell me what you think about this new kind of functionality? Thanks ! http://www.knowbe4.com/products/instant-revert/ Stu From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues You're right - you don't see SANS all that often on JDs (though DoD ask for it and a few other US agencies .. I'm UK based and you also see it a bit more here now including some Home Office/Intelligence areas). However, I've always found it something of a talking point in interviews, and having the written assignments published (what's called a Gold certification these days) can also help demonstrate writing skills and ability to explain highly technical data clearly. Personally, I find GSEC (and therefore CISSP since they're 75% similar) a nightmare to study for! Too much information .. 10 miles high and 1cm deep. Much prefer the harder certs where you go really deep in one area like GCIH. The main advantage of SANS certs however is their instructors and content - the ability to hit the ground running afterwards. You will do your job better after attending unless you are God-like already! Anyway, I feel the OT giant coming to tickle me, so I'll hush now before a huge conversation on certifications starts up! =) a From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: 13 March 2012 15:49 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Yeah going to need it, got less time than CISSP to study for this one, but I know 3-5 domains cold from the CISSP so that is just a review, I just need to think about stuff through the auditors eyes. Looking for a pass the first time, and then off to C.E.H and CRISC in December. I have been thinking about the SANS certifications but I just don't see a clammering for them in the job places. I was looking to possibly go the GSNA route which would tie in with my CISA (when I get it) GL On your GSEC re-cert you should ace that pretty easy, GCIH is a little harder but not unachieveable. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Yup, no disagreement there .. my response was more to Stu's point in that what he described can help increase security in a very general manner in an organisation, but really the business context is where the value is. Good luck with the CISA! I'm re-certifying my GSEC again at the moment and GCIH this time next year, so also under a weight of study and prep! ;o) a From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: 13 March 2012 12:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Alan, I totally agree, that is why I always vet the scans I get from any VA scan and qualitatively risk prioritize them based on what is critical for the business. Again with healthcare its protection of the CIA of EPHI when stored, transmitted or processed and any and all systems that are in the eco-system of that processing. The scans are done as part testing of the controls of an information system, but it is not a means to an end nor is its findings absolutely material to an auditor in determining the controls or lack thereof in an information system, there are plenty of other things that an auditor must consider via the ISACA auditing standard ( trust me I am going to be taking my CISA in june, and there is a lot more to it than I even understood, because I was only looking at it from the Risk Management and Compliance aspect, and totally missed all the pieces that make up Governance) But I do agree Auditors are usually not technical enough to go deep enough into the technologies and find the trust issues so they can be raised to management and
Re: list delays
Maybe you have me, maybe you don't. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: list delays
Amit's better looking too. And has an affinity for fine liquor. -sc From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays You so remind me of N3td3v. Actually you're slightly more amusing. ---Blackberried From: Amit Hanji amit.ha...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:55:12 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: list delays Mr. Jim. UR joke not being found much funny and it has a most annoyingness length to it's longness. Plez be not including in postings. Am I wondering about perhaps UR signatue compensating for U much lacking shortness elsewhere? Minds of inquiry are wanting to know. Thankz for no long sig. UR Friend, Amit On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's just a joke I stick in there. I wasn't aware it was affecting list performance. Is my signature the reason Lyris is so slow? Didn't think so. Most signatures are long and useless - my signature just parodies this. If it causes you offence, I'll remove it. My deepest apologies. On 14 March 2012 13:49, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeekatgmail.com -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues
Just took a look, its got promise, as long as you can tie in the settings into what is required for compliance, for HIPAA its more risk based, and you can adjust what your preferred settings would be to balance function and security. With PCI though its very black and white, it either it is, or isn't and its going to take a PCI QSA to tell you whether you are PCI Compliant, no product is going to do it all for you. Now if the product could map the revelant sections of PCI DSS 2.0 to settings that must be on the server that would be of help. As for Sarbanes Oxley and GLBA again no experience with those, but I would say that if they are driven towards financial accounting, then maybe this product might not hit those marks. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Guys, could you do me a favor, have a look at this product (it's relevant to the discussion) and tell me what you think about this new kind of functionality? Thanks ! http://www.knowbe4.com/products/instant-revert/ Stu From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues You're right - you don't see SANS all that often on JDs (though DoD ask for it and a few other US agencies .. I'm UK based and you also see it a bit more here now including some Home Office/Intelligence areas). However, I've always found it something of a talking point in interviews, and having the written assignments published (what's called a Gold certification these days) can also help demonstrate writing skills and ability to explain highly technical data clearly. Personally, I find GSEC (and therefore CISSP since they're 75% similar) a nightmare to study for! Too much information .. 10 miles high and 1cm deep. Much prefer the harder certs where you go really deep in one area like GCIH. The main advantage of SANS certs however is their instructors and content - the ability to hit the ground running afterwards. You will do your job better after attending unless you are God-like already! Anyway, I feel the OT giant coming to tickle me, so I'll hush now before a huge conversation on certifications starts up! =) a From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: 13 March 2012 15:49 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Yeah going to need it, got less time than CISSP to study for this one, but I know 3-5 domains cold from the CISSP so that is just a review, I just need to think about stuff through the auditors eyes. Looking for a pass the first time, and then off to C.E.H and CRISC in December. I have been thinking about the SANS certifications but I just don't see a clammering for them in the job places. I was looking to possibly go the GSNA route which would tie in with my CISA (when I get it) GL On your GSEC re-cert you should ace that pretty easy, GCIH is a little harder but not unachieveable. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Yup, no disagreement there .. my response was more to Stu's point in that what he described can help increase security in a very general manner in an organisation, but really the business context is where the value is. Good luck with the CISA! I'm re-certifying my GSEC again at the moment and GCIH this time next year, so also under a weight of study and prep! ;o) a From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: 13 March 2012 12:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues Alan, I totally agree, that is why I always vet the scans I get from any VA scan and qualitatively risk prioritize them based on what is critical for the business. Again with healthcare its protection of the CIA of EPHI when stored, transmitted or processed and any and all systems that are in the eco-system of that processing. The scans are done as part testing of the controls of an information system, but it is not a means to an end nor is its findings absolutely material to an auditor in determining the controls or lack thereof in an information system, there are plenty of other things that an auditor must consider via the ISACA
Re: list delays
Just trying to improve the technical community through productivity and ...well...nevermind. I'm wasting my time at this point. No, I won't leave, I'm having too much fun here. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: *shrug* Leave. I'm not sure why you think your right to not use your name trumps his right to have a humorous signature on something when he uses his real name. You're the first to complain about it, it gets hidden more than half the time by gmail (for me), so I don't see what the problem is. You call it unprofessional, some people call it blowing off steam. The only masters of this list are GFI and/or Stu. Frequent posters can berate or attack you just as easily if you use your name or not. So, again, not sure what your beef is. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
Re: list delays
Careful, if you've discovered his true identity, he may conjure up another gmail alias so that we masters can use our 1337 skillz in order to discern his real name yet again... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote: I know a Ross Brownlee that also plays the trombone...are you related? On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
Re: list delays
Pshaw! I'm anonymous behind this email address!!! On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Dang it, I was going to do that but had to go to a meeting. Well done sir. ** ** *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:37 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: list delays ** ** I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote:* *** It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. ** ** You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. ** ** This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either.** ** Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. ** ** #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. ** ** #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. ** ** ** ** On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! ** ** On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote:* *** Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! ** ** On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To
] Re: List Speed?
do the potty mouth thing and you will get a rise out of someone ... maybe by tomorrow when they get the emailLOL From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [dkim-failure] Re: List Speed? In the absence of updates and information rumors and dark thoughts grow... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor software or a configuration problem :) From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 2:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is free or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I'm paying good money for this?!?!) -Paul From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? I'd be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I've gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I've been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: My SBS swing brag
I'm very familiar. I work for a CPA firm. I just switched out a printer this past week. Mass chaos ensued I'm suprised you were able to touch anything, they must've been effectively down. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.comwrote: Also, this setup is temporary...i.e. to be rectified after April 15th. The client didn't agree to the project until mid-december and they are a CPA firm. So there was a rush to get things done before the new year. So, yes longer term than what MS specifies, but it will be resolved. Bill Humphries wrote: I wouldn't consider it an illegal copy. Perhaps it is in violation of an unenforcable portion of the eula. note: I am not a lawyer and do not play one on television. I could have finished the uninstall of the SBS server, but that process, while technically makes it a standalone server breaks things enough that you would want to rebuild it. So, I just stopped before the migration broke the server. During the MS documented migration process, MS instructs you to remove A/D, sbcore etc and leaves you with a 2003 std server. I just happen to have the 2003 server, but sbcore still there. Jonathan Link wrote: Kinda what I thought, might be a technical licensing violation... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto: david@nwea.org wrote: Doesn't that make it an illegal copy? -Original Message- From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com**] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I just did one but just used the MS docs. I didn't actually go all the way with it. Got most everything migrated then broke the sbcore.exe service on the SBS2003 machine so I could leave the old machine up and not move all the printers, scan to SMB folders, and antivirus software. The machine was still good for those light duty activities and it simplified everything and saved the client some money. Bill Jonathan Link wrote: Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _/might/_ be oversimplifying it J Dave *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com** ] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org mailto:david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee's hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 - SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there's a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home
Re: list delays
Jeesh - It's not like we are Anonymous or anything. Its like guys hanging out in a bar. It almost always very friendly, but can occasionally get demeaning when you deserve it. ;-) A long time ago on the list that preceded this on - I didnt used to use my real name either, and I got called-out on it :-) The world has been sorry ever since. -- Espi On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
Re: list delays
Profile is now gone. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.commailto:dangerw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: list delays Not according to his LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/lbrownlee ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: list delays
Strange that someone with that name suddenly deleted his LinkedIn profile. Seriously? On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you have me, maybe you don't. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: list delays
Don't be a friggin tool... Hiding behind your email address doesn't keep you anonymous... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you have me, maybe you don't. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: List Speed?
Yea, like pointing out the fact that the moderators of this LISTSERV are doing it wrong. The LISTSERV can't keep up with the traffic. There's no security whatsoever on the accounts of members of these lists. Go ahead, go log in as anybody that you want to, change their password, their name, and their Email address. Heck, sign them up for other mailing lists if you want. Do you need ANY OTHER REASON to move the list? BTW, you're welcome for pointing that out to everybody. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: In the absence of updates and information rumors and dark thoughts grow... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor software or a configuration problem :) -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 14 March 2012 2:17 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is free or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I’m paying good money for this?!?!) ** ** -Paul ** ** *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: List Speed? ** ** I’d be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I’ve gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I’ve been exposed to, ever. ** ** Regards, ** ** Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? ** ** I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... ** ** Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 ** ** It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me.*** * ** ** I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. ** ** My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. ** ** * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. ** ** /$.02 ** ** 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? ** ** A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). ** ** I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? ** ** Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. -- *MIRA Ltd* ** ** Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
Re: SonicWall - being acquired by Dell
Thanks ASB. On 3/14/2012 9:20 AM, Andrew S. Baker wrote: Fortigate firewalls from Fortinet Also, Palo Alto Networks has recently released some small business / small office devices. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: list delays
On 14 March 2012 19:48, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Amit’s better looking too. Ok, couldn't resist a signature update with all this talk about it. I need to remember to remove it when I email important clients though, I sent one to a guy at AppSense the other day with it on and luckily he thought it was hilarious. Apologies to all who may not like it, can I send you a GMail invite? JR -- http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER I certainly don't have time to monitor the content of e-mail sent and received via this account for the purposes of ensuring compliance with anyone's policies and procedures. I am pretty sure that somewhere in UK legislation there is some politically-correct drivel that stipulates I must never send or store e-mails or attachments that are obscene, indecent, sexist, racist, defamatory, abusive, in breach of copyright, encrypted, amusing, overly long, slightly opinionated, anonymous, likely to harm animals or hurt the feelings of an as-yet-unspecified or as-yet-nonexistent minority (such as extraterrestrial eggplants). Emails of this nature sent in or out of this account may be intercepted and stopped by the system, but it's a long shot. This being the UK, even if I was prosecuted for breach of said email guidelines, I'd probably walk with a suspended sentence anyway, but if I'd forgotten to pay my car insurance, I'd most certainly be hung, drawn and quartered. I am not responsible for any changes made to the message after it has been sent, in more or less the same way that cyclozine manufacturers aren't responsible for drug addicts mixing it with methadone and overdosing, so I'm glad I cleared the confusion up there nice and early. Where opinions are expressed, they are not necessarily mine. However, I don't make a habit of expressing other people's opinions for them, so you shouldn't take that statement as an indication that I am in the business of providing an opinion-expressing service. In the event that I did, this discourse would provide no guarantee that I would do it anyway, but I don't, so I won't. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to them, aside from the fact that you've clearly got some level of unauthorised access to their account or are at least engaged in some sort of fraud, I'm obliged to tell you that may not copy, forward disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any way. To do so may be unlawful, and as you're already breaking the law, I am sure that bombshell makes you quake in your boots and turn yourself over to law enforcement immediately. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately. That would be me, and as I am clearly prone to sending emails to completely the wrong person, I should instantly be stripped of my status as a technical consultant and sent to do something more becoming of my stupidity, such as appearing on Big Brother, the X Factor or insert country name here's Got Talent. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: My SBS swing brag
I did have to install Konica software which automatically queries your LAN and installs appropriate drivers and then I ran “add printer”, entered a Konica printer IP and when the server queried it fired up the Konica utility which found all the Konica printers and installed them. I also had to to create a new SMTP connector for Konica scan-to-e-mail, and then I had to modify the existing SMTP (which had been migrated over) that was flattening the new one. Dave From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag Thanks Dave. Sounds like the printer migration process is pretty straight forward with the main requirements being you need a 32 bit client with all the target print drivers, and you have to initially manually add the new printers to the 64 bit server. Did the new server require 64 bit or 32 bit driver downloads from external sources, or other work? Regards, Don K From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: RE: My SBS swing brag Printers are a manual re-add at the server. Client PC’s are a mix of 64-bit Win7 and 32-bit XP but after loading the 32-bit drivers on the server (from an XP box) the client PC’s didn’t notice the change and I didn’t have to touch ‘em. In a very real sense I didn’t have to touch any of the PC’s for this swing upgrade. For overall time and 17 users it *might* have been same/same to create a new SBS domain from scratch and disjoin/rejoin the PC’s and create “new” user accounts and PST all that crap over (I think I have 30-ish hours into the swing soup to nuts, including testing), but that would require me knowing all the users’ password and logging in as them and RDP-ing to each one. Dave From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]mailto:[mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag I gotta ask how if the kit included the print migrations procedures from 32 bit to 64 bit - you mentioned that went well, so it begs the question :) From: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag Not by much. I used the SBSMigration swing kit to swing to new hardware a while back. I could've done everything in it manually, certainly. The ~$200 for me was well worth it to put all the pieces of information together in one spot. Saying I used this tool for this reason and then how you used it is an entirely reasonable topic to blog about. Yes, all the information out there is freely available. Is it worth spending some money to 1) put it all in one place and 2) highlight some common points of trouble[1]. [1] I had one of those common points of trouble. It was nice having something in hand instead of googling for it hoping someone else had tread the path I was walking... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Sure, but it would look a lot like this: Step 1: Buy a kit from SBSMigration.comhttp://SBSMigration.com Step 2: The end That _might_ be oversimplifying it ☺ Dave From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My SBS swing brag In keeping with the current fashion, you should definitely write a blog post on your migration On 13 March 2012 14:01, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: So, I successfully swung a small (17 employee law fim) client from SBS2003 to SBS2011 this weekend, went off with exactly one caveat: iPhone users had to delete, reboot, then recreate the Exchange accounts on their phones. That was it! Needless to say the client is very happy, and most employee’s hardly noticed a thing (other than I was onsite all day yesterday, which had never happened before ;-). Convert everyone from Exchange 2003-Exchange 2010: Check Convert domain controller to SBS2011 (aka2008R2): Check Convert LexisNexis application from SQL2005 – SQL2008R2: Check Upgrade from PracticeAdvantage 10 to PA 11: Check! Move printers from 2003 32-bit server to SBS2011 64-bit server: check (this went easier than expected) Recreate shared folders and perms: check Copy all data to new server (did you know there’s a utility for 2008 R2 to restore from .BKF files?): Check Reconfig home directories from share-per-user to single share/ABE/SBS2011 default locations: Check Worthy to note that SBS2011 really encourages you (er, me) to not treat SBS like just a
Re: list delays
And maybe you hid your Linked In profile... We see what you did there. -- Espi On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you have me, maybe you don't. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: list delays
Just trying to demonstrate the futility of hiding on the Internet. Not like I put much effort forth. Personally I don't care what your name is. - WJR On Mar 14, 2012 4:19 PM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you have me, maybe you don't. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
Re: list delays
Curiously your, er maybe, LinkedIn profile went down shortly after I posted it though. And was linked to Mr. Aldrich...just curious is all. - WJR On Mar 14, 2012 4:19 PM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you have me, maybe you don't. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.comwrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.comwrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
Re: list delays
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Re: list delays
Time to update my sunbelt ntsysadmin filter. On Wednesday, March 14, 2012, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: You guys and gals are awesome. BEGIN SIG Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Maecenas porttitor congue massa. Fusce posuere, magna sed pulvinar ultricies, purus lectus malesuada libero, sit amet commodo magna eros quis urna. Nunc viverra imperdiet enim. Fusce est. Vivamus a tellus. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Proin pharetra nonummy pede. Mauris et orci. Aenean nec lorem. In porttitor. Donec laoreet nonummy augue. Suspendisse dui purus, scelerisque at, vulputate vitae, pretium mattis, nunc. Mauris eget neque at sem venenatis eleifend. Ut nonummy. Fusce aliquet pede non pede. Suspendisse dapibus lorem pellentesque magna. Integer nulla. Donec blandit feugiat ligula. Donec hendrerit, felis et imperdiet euismod, purus ipsum pretium metus, in lacinia nulla nisl eget sapien. Donec ut est in lectus consequat consequat. Etiam eget dui. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed at lorem in nunc porta tristique. Proin nec augue. Quisque aliquam tempor magna. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Nunc ac magna. Maecenas odio dolor, vulputate vel, auctor ac, accumsan id, felis. Pellentesque cursus sagittis felis. Pellentesque porttitor, velit lacinia egestas auctor, diam eros tempus arcu, nec vulputate augue magna vel risus. Cras non magna vel ante adipiscing rhoncus. Vivamus a mi. Morbi neque. Aliquam erat volutpat. Integer ultrices lobortis eros. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Proin semper, ante vitae sollicitudin posuere, metus quam iaculis nibh, vitae scelerisque nunc massa eget pede. Sed velit urna, interdum vel, ultricies vel, faucibus at, quam. Donec elit est, consectetuer eget, consequat quis, tempus quis, wisi. In in nunc. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. Donec ullamcorper fringilla eros. Fusce in sapien eu purus dapibus commodo. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Cras faucibus condimentum odio. Sed ac ligula. Aliquam at eros. Etiam at ligula et tellus ullamcorper ultrices. In fermentum, lorem non cursus porttitor, diam urna accumsan lacus, sed interdum wisi nibh nec nisl. Ut tincidunt volutpat urna. Mauris eleifend nulla eget mauris. Sed cursus quam id felis. Curabitur posuere quam vel nibh. Cras dapibus dapibus nisl. Vestibulum quis dolor a felis congue vehicula. Maecenas pede purus, tristique ac, tempus eget, egestas quis, mauris. Curabitur non eros. Nullam hendrerit bibendum justo. Fusce iaculis, est quis lacinia pretium, pede metus molestie lacus, at gravida wisi ante at libero. Quisque ornare placerat risus. Ut molestie magna at mi. Integer aliquet mauris et nibh. Ut mattis ligula posuere velit. Nunc sagittis. Curabitur varius fringilla nisl. Duis pretium mi euismod erat. Maecenas id augue. Nam vulputate. Duis a quam non neque lobortis malesuada. Praesent euismod. Donec nulla augue, venenatis scelerisque, dapibus a, consequat at, leo. Pellentesque libero lectus, tristique ac, consectetuer sit amet, imperdiet ut, justo. Sed aliquam odio vitae tortor. Proin hendrerit tempus arcu. In hac habitasse platea dictumst. Suspendisse potenti. Vivamus vitae massa adipiscing est lacinia sodales. Donec metus massa, mollis vel, tempus placerat, vestibulum condimentum, ligula. Nunc lacus metus, posuere eget, lacinia eu, varius quis, libero. Aliquam nonummy adipiscing augue. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Maecenas porttitor congue massa. Fusce posuere, magna sed pulvinar ultricies, purus lectus malesuada libero, sit amet commodo magna eros quis urna. Nunc viverra imperdiet enim. Fusce est. Vivamus a tellus. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Proin pharetra nonummy pede. Mauris et orci. Aenean nec lorem. In porttitor. Donec laoreet nonummy augue. Suspendisse dui purus, scelerisque at, vulputate vitae, pretium mattis, nunc. Mauris eget neque at sem venenatis eleifend. Ut nonummy. Fusce aliquet pede non pede. Suspendisse dapibus lorem pellentesque magna. Integer nulla. Donec blandit feugiat ligula. Donec hendrerit, felis et imperdiet euismod, purus ipsum pretium metus, in lacinia nulla nisl eget sapien. Donec ut est in lectus consequat consequat. Etiam eget dui. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed at lorem in nunc porta tristique. Proin nec augue. Quisque aliquam tempor magna. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Nunc ac magna. Maecenas odio dolor, vulputate vel, auctor ac, accumsan id, felis. Pellentesque cursus sagittis felis. Pellentesque porttitor, velit lacinia egestas auctor, diam eros tempus arcu, nec vulputate augue magna vel risus. Cras non magna vel ante
Re: FW: list delays
Wasn't much to see. On Wednesday, March 14, 2012, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Profile is now gone. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: list delays Not according to his LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/lbrownlee ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: list delays
We're all naked underneath our clothes... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 13:22, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Pshaw! I'm anonymous behind this email address!!! On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Dang it, I was going to do that but had to go to a meeting. Well done sir. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays I'm sure you're safe in your anonymity... 1993 Lawrence Brownlee Trombone Dalton, GA IT Director for local law firm Looking back now...being WonderBoy. cynicalg...@gmail.com - WJR Don't let the T-shirt fool you On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. Butwhatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the masters of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The masters find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the masters to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people know who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger gary.slin...@gmail.com wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. --Original Message-- From: cynicalg...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
Re: List Speed?
Folks, not only is Cynicalgeek an expert in legal and educational areas, he's also now proven to be 31337! On Mar 14, 2012 3:49 PM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Yea, like pointing out the fact that the moderators of this LISTSERV are doing it wrong. The LISTSERV can't keep up with the traffic. There's no security whatsoever on the accounts of members of these lists. Go ahead, go log in as anybody that you want to, change their password, their name, and their Email address. Heck, sign them up for other mailing lists if you want. Do you need ANY OTHER REASON to move the list? BTW, you're welcome for pointing that out to everybody. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: In the absence of updates and information rumors and dark thoughts grow... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor software or a configuration problem :) -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 14 March 2012 2:17 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is free or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I’m paying good money for this?!?!) ** ** -Paul ** ** *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: List Speed? ** ** I’d be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I’ve gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I’ve been exposed to, ever. ** ** Regards, ** ** Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: List Speed? ** ** I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... ** ** Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 ** ** It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me.** ** ** ** I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. ** ** My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. ** ** * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. ** ** /$.02 ** ** 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? ** ** A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). ** ** I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? ** ** Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by
