Re: Backup to cloud?

[Kurt Buff]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>> Let’s not get carried away with calling this proposal ‘cloud backup’.
>
>   Why not?  Everyone else is.
>
> -- Ben

LOL

If all your friends jumped off a cliff...

OB xkcd
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http://xkcd.com/1170/

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Re: Backup to cloud?

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> Let’s not get carried away with calling this proposal ‘cloud backup’.

  Why not?  Everyone else is.

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RE: file limitation error

[Jon Harris]

I tried telling her after the third time I had to "fix" her computer that she 
needed to stop with the really long file and directory names.  When I changed 
jobs I knew that she was to shortly have her "computer problem" again and need 
to have it fixed. Jon
 From: pa...@mmcwm.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:39:35 -0500
Subject: RE: file limitation error

The path is not that deep so we're starting to wonder if it is the conversion 
program that she is running.  Anyway, she said the senior programmer will 
examine it on Thursday.   I hope that gets the problem resolved as this has 
been an ongoing problem for the last couple of weeks. Jon, I know what you 
mean.  I had a user that, when naming a file or folder. would actually write 
out the description in a sentence. Sometimes I wonder if I should post a 
message on all new computers:  "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." 
From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: file limitation error +1 on this!  I had a user that really LOVED 
to use descriptive folder names and file names as well as very deep trees.  She 
would about once a year need to have her system in the shop while I would 
rearrange files and folders so that she could get to the deepest of the folders.
 
Jon
 Subject: Re: file limitation error
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:28:07 +

How long is the deepest path?

I've seen file copying stuff screw up with monstrously long path namesSent from 
my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLYFrom: 
"Chinnery, Paul"  Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:22:29 -0500To: NT 
System Admin IssuesReplyTo: "NT System 
Admin Issues" Subject: file limitation 
error I'm not sure if this is the proper forum for this question, but here 
goes: We are storing scanned documents in one folder.  A file conversion 
program being run by one of our vendors is taking scanned documents from a 
Win2K server and putting them into a Win 2008r2 server.  The conversion is just 
to place them in a folder tree that is accessibly by our hospital EMR 
system.After placing >1.5 million files in a considerable number of 
directories, and, the program is now generating an error:  Error Making 
Directory -Requested operation could not be comleted due to a file system 
limitation."There is no compression of the folder or files (which is one thing 
that could cause that error). Is this a call to PSS type of problem?Paul 
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RE: Backup to cloud?

[Ken Schaefer]

Let's not get carried away with calling this proposal 'cloud backup'. IMHO 
you're offering offsite backup.

For something to be "cloud" you should look at NIST (or similar definitions), 
which include elements like "rapid elasticity", "user self-service", "broad 
network access" and "measured service":
http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf

Cheers
Ken

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 5:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup to cloud?

Yes, DR.

Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 
400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring 
their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If  could get the 
liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and 
recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have 
unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the 
download from there --> my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours.

I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + 
their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, 
kind of goes along with my "spare server" conversation a couple weeks ago.

Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the "not covered from that angle" twinge.

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup to cloud?

Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster 
recovery?


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If 
I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to 
find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind 
is a law firm of all places...
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

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RE: OT: MCM certification

[Ken Schaefer]

There can't be that many 750K seat Exchange deployments out there. Do they mean 
75K?

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 2:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: MCM certification

Microsoft loses money on the Exchange MCM classes. I suspect they do for all of 
the MCM tracks.

The fee is to ensure that only serious people apply plus to cover the cost of 
the labs, meeting rooms, and presentation materials.

Big companies need people with big experience.

I don't pass the screening criteria for Exchange MCM (I've never done a 750K 
seat deployment of Exchange). But they've told me they'd let me in as a favor. 
:)

But I can't afford the class, plus the travel, plus the loss of revenue 
(income) for 3 weeks. I wish I could.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar 
 wrote:
>
> Was reading this yesterday:
>
> http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101
>
> And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to 
> this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I think 
> the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a factor to 
> reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this 
> certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider 
> this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, or 
> that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for MS and 
> I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary groups of 
> people seeking this certification. My employer would never consider this 
> strictly based on cost and ROI.
>
> Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?
>
> Chris


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Re: Backup to cloud?

[Andrew S. Baker]

I associated with a cloud backup provider that I've just started working
with (in that capacity), and everything is encrypted on the client end
before being shipped across the wire.





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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Steve Ens  wrote:

> Yep, I am considering backup to the cloud after a backup to disk locally
> just for disaster recovery sakethen the time doesn't matter as much.
>  I'd still consider a mail recovery site though like postini or something
> to keep mail going in case of tornado or fire.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rod Trent wrote:
>
>> Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster
>> recovery?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Backup to cloud?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+
>> hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location,
>> where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about.
>> Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… 
>>
>> *David Lum*
>> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
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RE: Backup to cloud?

[David Lum]

There are currently no regulatory concerns, insofar as I have never been asked 
by them to make them compliant for anything. I will ask to make sure, however.

Dave

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup to cloud?

Have you thought about the confidentiality aspects of putting your data in the 
cloud, especially if its under regulatory compliance ( PCI, HIPAA, Sox) if you 
haven't you might be getting yourself in a lot of hot water.

Z

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From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup to cloud?

Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations 
like this.  (Called Direct Connect?).  Not too familiar with it.
I think connections as fast as 10Gbps.  You could design your DR strategy 
around a data center supporting this.

Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives.

There are also some solutions that allow you to 'spin-up' your backups at the 
cloud location on a VM.  (Check out Unitrends.  Veem?).  Then, you don't have 
to download the backups.

I put all my 'cloud' backups into the same remote data center I would restore 
to in a disaster.  And some of that even gets backed up to the 'real' cloud 
(Amazon S3).

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup to cloud?

I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to 
download. The "send me it on a USB drive" option that Ben mentioned is my DR 
choice :-)

On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster 
recovery?


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If 
I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to 
find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind 
is a law firm of all places...
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764


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Re: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

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If you're using an enterprise license, then you're pretty much already
there.

And this is what all of the vendors are trying to do.   ChromeBooks, etc...





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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Mathew Shember  wrote:

> I wonder how long before the OS is subscription based?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:13 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs
>
> It's pushing some people to a subscription based plan all right...
> Just not always Microsoft's.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs
>
> It's true, the license is now non-transferrable.  Part of their efforts to
> push everybody to the subscription-based plans, no doubt.
>
> Ben M. Schorr
> Chief Executive Officer
> Roland Schorr & Tower
> www.rolandschorr.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:56 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs
>
>   Reportedly, the licensing for Office 2013 FPP (Full Packaged Product,
> AKA retail box) has changed.  Microsoft reportedly says it's only licensed
> for the first PC you install it on.  Old PC dies, you buy a new PC?  Better
> buy a new copy of Office, too.  So it's like OEM, but at retail pricing.
>
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/does-your-copy-of-office
> -2013-die-with-your-computer-20130208-2e3a1.html
>
>   In addition to being evil and rude, I think this may violate the
> doctrine of first sale, making it an illegal provision in some
> jurisdictions.  But if Microsoft won't activate your install, that leaves
> court as an alternative.
>
>   Maybe we'll switch to LibreOffice for 2020.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 wrote:
> I just downloaded LibreOffice 4 this morning, and I've been
> playing with it on various word documents... Thus far, it's
> very good.

  The big problem with (Star|Open|Libre)Office has always been scripts
(macros).  Their object model isn't source compatible with VBA, by
design.

> Open source software will never replace proprietary software.

  Proprietary software is unlikely to replace Free/Open Source
Software, either.  They've both been around for a looong time, and
co-exist.

  I've wondered about a mix of Lib O and MS O.  A lot of our users can
barely type complete sentences, they wouldn't notice the difference.
It's the IT management overhead, and confusion if someone else uses
their machine, that's stopping me.

-- Ben

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RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

[Matthew W. Ross]

I just downloaded LibreOffice 4 this morning, and I've been playing with it on 
various word documents... Thus far, it's very good. Even the stupid timesheet 
document (that should have been a spreadsheet) with all it's fancy frames and 
formatting renders correctly.

Open source software will never replace proprietary software. But it does raise 
the bar.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Wed, 13 Feb 2013
10:34:39 -0800
Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs


> I wonder how long before the OS is subscription based?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:13 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs
> 
> It's pushing some people to a subscription based plan all right...
> Just not always Microsoft's.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs
> 
> It's true, the license is now non-transferrable.  Part of their efforts to
> push everybody to the subscription-based plans, no doubt.
> 
> Ben M. Schorr
> Chief Executive Officer
> Roland Schorr & Tower
> www.rolandschorr.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:56 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs
> 
>   Reportedly, the licensing for Office 2013 FPP (Full Packaged Product, AKA
> retail box) has changed.  Microsoft reportedly says it's only licensed for
> the first PC you install it on.  Old PC dies, you buy a new PC?  Better buy
> a new copy of Office, too.  So it's like OEM, but at retail pricing.
> 
> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/does-your-copy-of-office
> -2013-die-with-your-computer-20130208-2e3a1.html
> 
>   In addition to being evil and rude, I think this may violate the doctrine
> of first sale, making it an illegal provision in some jurisdictions.  But if
> Microsoft won't activate your install, that leaves court as an alternative.
> 
>   Maybe we'll switch to LibreOffice for 2020.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
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RE: Backup to cloud?

[Mathew Shember]

You might consider where they live as well.  A large scale problem where 
several companies are trying to get at their data?

I remember running into that after loma prieta.  The DR Company didn't have 
room to handle all the companies.  Granted that was pre-cloud days but are they 
up to handling several at once?   


-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup to cloud?

+1.   It's the Recovery Time Objective (RTO) here that concerns me. Here's a 
thought, maybe I should ask the client what's tolerable. Why I didn’t think of 
that first...

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup to cloud?

Someone once said something I now say: "I don't care about backups. I care 
about restores."

Of course, that includes time to restore, as well as integrity of restore.

AFAICT, backups to the cloud, absent a local copy, aren't worth a whole bunch, 
if my 7tb file server falls over.

Kurt

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Ben M. Schorr  wrote:
> That’s the dirty little secret of cloud backups – restore windows can 
> be ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet 
> connection.
>
>
>
> Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your 
> data to you in case you need to do a full restore. Still…
>
>
>
> As for liabilities – I’d probably consult with your lawyers (not the
> client) to see what they think. I’d guess you’d need to have a pretty 
> solid contract with them laying out what you are, and aren’t 
> responsible for along with SLAs. Then you’ll want a good professional 
> liability insurance policy to cover you for those things you are responsible 
> for.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben M. Schorr
>
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Roland Schorr & Tower
>
> www.rolandschorr.com / www.officeforlawyers.com / www.onenote-tips.com
>
> Member: American Bar Association - 01473703
>
> Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2010: 
> http://goo.gl.HWqKc
>
> Author: The Lawyer’s Guide to Microsoft Word 2010:
> http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010
>
>
>
>
>
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup to cloud?
>
>
>
> Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours?
> If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where 
> do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally 
> the client in mind is a law firm of all places…
>
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
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RE: file limitation error

[Chinnery, Paul]

The path is not that deep so we're starting to wonder if it is the conversion 
program that she is running.  Anyway, she said the senior programmer will 
examine it on Thursday.   I hope that gets the problem resolved as this has 
been an ongoing problem for the last couple of weeks.

Jon, I know what you mean.  I had a user that, when naming a file or folder. 
would actually write out the description in a sentence. Sometimes I wonder if I 
should post a message on all new computers:  "Just because you can, doesn't 
mean you should."

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: file limitation error

+1 on this!  I had a user that really LOVED to use descriptive folder names and 
file names as well as very deep trees.  She would about once a year need to 
have her system in the shop while I would rearrange files and folders so that 
she could get to the deepest of the folders.

Jon


Subject: Re: file limitation error
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:28:07 +

How long is the deepest path?

I've seen file copying stuff screw up with monstrously long path names
Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY

From: "Chinnery, Paul" 
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:22:29 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: file limitation error

I'm not sure if this is the proper forum for this question, but here goes:

We are storing scanned documents in one folder.  A file conversion program 
being run by one of our vendors is taking scanned documents from a Win2K server 
and putting them into a Win 2008r2 server.  The conversion is just to place 
them in a folder tree that is accessibly by our hospital EMR system.
After placing >1.5 million files in a considerable number of directories, and, 
the program is now generating an error:  Error Making Directory -Requested 
operation could not be comleted due to a file system limitation."
There is no compression of the folder or files (which is one thing that could 
cause that error).
Is this a call to PSS type of problem?
Paul Chinnery
Network Admin
Memorial Medical Center
231.845.2319



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RE: Backup to cloud?

[Ziots, Edward]

Have you thought about the confidentiality aspects of putting your data in the 
cloud, especially if its under regulatory compliance ( PCI, HIPAA, Sox) if you 
haven't you might be getting yourself in a lot of hot water.

Z

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Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
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From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup to cloud?

Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for situations 
like this.  (Called Direct Connect?).  Not too familiar with it.
I think connections as fast as 10Gbps.  You could design your DR strategy 
around a data center supporting this.

Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives.

There are also some solutions that allow you to 'spin-up' your backups at the 
cloud location on a VM.  (Check out Unitrends.  Veem?).  Then, you don't have 
to download the backups.

I put all my 'cloud' backups into the same remote data center I would restore 
to in a disaster.  And some of that even gets backed up to the 'real' cloud 
(Amazon S3).

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup to cloud?

I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to 
download. The "send me it on a USB drive" option that Ben mentioned is my DR 
choice :-)

On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster 
recovery?


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If 
I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to 
find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind 
is a law firm of all places...
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764


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RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

[Mathew Shember]

I wonder how long before the OS is subscription based?


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

It's pushing some people to a subscription based plan all right...
Just not always Microsoft's.

-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

It's true, the license is now non-transferrable.  Part of their efforts to push 
everybody to the subscription-based plans, no doubt.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

  Reportedly, the licensing for Office 2013 FPP (Full Packaged Product, AKA 
retail box) has changed.  Microsoft reportedly says it's only licensed for the 
first PC you install it on.  Old PC dies, you buy a new PC?  Better buy a new 
copy of Office, too.  So it's like OEM, but at retail pricing.

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/does-your-copy-of-office
-2013-die-with-your-computer-20130208-2e3a1.html

  In addition to being evil and rude, I think this may violate the doctrine of 
first sale, making it an illegal provision in some jurisdictions.  But if 
Microsoft won't activate your install, that leaves court as an alternative.

  Maybe we'll switch to LibreOffice for 2020.

-- Ben

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RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

[Mathew Shember]

Indeed.  Adobe does that.   We went looking for photoshop for my wife and her 
new Mac.  It was about $1000.  You could get it from the cloud for a monthly 
fee with an annual commitment.  Price was about the same as the old cost and 
they promise instant patching.   It's a sweet deal for adobe.  You are 
basically buying it every year and you are paying them for you to QA the 
software.   


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

It's true, the license is now non-transferrable.  Part of their efforts to push 
everybody to the subscription-based plans, no doubt.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

  Reportedly, the licensing for Office 2013 FPP (Full Packaged Product, AKA 
retail box) has changed.  Microsoft reportedly says it's only licensed for the 
first PC you install it on.  Old PC dies, you buy a new PC?  Better buy a new 
copy of Office, too.  So it's like OEM, but at retail pricing.

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/does-your-copy-of-office-2013-die-with-your-computer-20130208-2e3a1.html

  In addition to being evil and rude, I think this may violate the doctrine of 
first sale, making it an illegal provision in some jurisdictions.  But if 
Microsoft won't activate your install, that leaves court as an alternative.

  Maybe we'll switch to LibreOffice for 2020.

-- Ben

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RE: Backup to cloud?

[David Lum]

+1.   It's the Recovery Time Objective (RTO) here that concerns me. Here's a 
thought, maybe I should ask the client what's tolerable. Why I didn’t think of 
that first...

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup to cloud?

Someone once said something I now say: "I don't care about backups. I care 
about restores."

Of course, that includes time to restore, as well as integrity of restore.

AFAICT, backups to the cloud, absent a local copy, aren't worth a whole bunch, 
if my 7tb file server falls over.

Kurt

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Ben M. Schorr  wrote:
> That’s the dirty little secret of cloud backups – restore windows can 
> be ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet 
> connection.
>
>
>
> Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your 
> data to you in case you need to do a full restore. Still…
>
>
>
> As for liabilities – I’d probably consult with your lawyers (not the 
> client) to see what they think. I’d guess you’d need to have a pretty 
> solid contract with them laying out what you are, and aren’t 
> responsible for along with SLAs. Then you’ll want a good professional 
> liability insurance policy to cover you for those things you are responsible 
> for.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben M. Schorr
>
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Roland Schorr & Tower
>
> www.rolandschorr.com / www.officeforlawyers.com / www.onenote-tips.com
>
> Member: American Bar Association - 01473703
>
> Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2010: 
> http://goo.gl.HWqKc
>
> Author: The Lawyer’s Guide to Microsoft Word 2010:
> http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010
>
>
>
>
>
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup to cloud?
>
>
>
> Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours?
> If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where 
> do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally 
> the client in mind is a law firm of all places…
>
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
>
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RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

[Ben M. Schorr]

Eh - for most of my clients there isn't a practical alternative. Everything 
else would be a compromise and my clients aren't interested in causing 
themselves headaches just to spite Microsoft.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com

-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

It's pushing some people to a subscription based plan all right...
Just not always Microsoft's.

-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

It's true, the license is now non-transferrable.  Part of their efforts to push 
everybody to the subscription-based plans, no doubt.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

  Reportedly, the licensing for Office 2013 FPP (Full Packaged Product, AKA 
retail box) has changed.  Microsoft reportedly says it's only licensed for the 
first PC you install it on.  Old PC dies, you buy a new PC?  Better buy a new 
copy of Office, too.  So it's like OEM, but at retail pricing.

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/does-your-copy-of-office
-2013-die-with-your-computer-20130208-2e3a1.html

  In addition to being evil and rude, I think this may violate the doctrine of 
first sale, making it an illegal provision in some jurisdictions.  But if 
Microsoft won't activate your install, that leaves court as an alternative.

  Maybe we'll switch to LibreOffice for 2020.

-- Ben

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RE: Backup to cloud?

[David Lum]

Yes, DR.

Their Internet connection download is 10MBps, the size of their backups is 
400+GB total, the smallest being Exchange DB @ 50GB, and if I am restoring 
their SBS VM it's 350GB plus another 200GB for their SQL VM. If  could get the 
liability sorted, it would be far easier to have it backup to my shop, and 
recovery would be a matter of me bringing in the drive with the backups. I have 
unlimited space at my web host so I could back up to that but still the 
download from there --> my lab (25MBps) is 10+ hours.

I have their local backups going to two places onsite (a RAID1 USB 3.0 drive + 
their other non-hyper-V capable server), my concern is building-wide DR need, 
kind of goes along with my "spare server" conversation a couple weeks ago.

Very unlikely yes, but I still feel the "not covered from that angle" twinge.

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup to cloud?

Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster 
recovery?


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If 
I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to 
find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind 
is a law firm of all places...
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

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Re: Backup to cloud?

[Sean Houston]

One critical part to keep in mind is also the build time for the restores.
Even though the DVDs or external hard drive will be shipped overnight,
doesn't mean the files will be ready any time soon.  A little over a year
ago I did a restore for a client who had a failed server, and their onsite
backups were no good (I was not involved with those at all).  The restore
was about 200GB and it took about 6 days before the backups were ready and
shipped out.  The failure occurred on a Thursday and they were not back up
and working until the following Friday, so they had 8 days of downtime.

Thanks,

Sean Houston
Systems Administrator


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

> Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for
> situations like this.  (Called Direct Connect?).  Not too familiar with it.
> 
>
> I think connections as fast as 10Gbps.  You could design your DR strategy
> around a data center supporting this.
>
> ** **
>
> Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives.
>
> ** **
>
> There are also some solutions that allow you to ‘spin-up’ your backups at
> the cloud location on a VM.  (Check out Unitrends.  Veem?).  Then, you
> don’t have to download the backups.
>
> ** **
>
> I put all my ‘cloud’ backups into the same remote data center I would
> restore to in a disaster.  And some of that even gets backed up to the
> ‘real’ cloud (Amazon S3).
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Backup to cloud?
>
> ** **
>
> I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks
> to download. The "send me it on a USB drive" option that Ben mentioned is
> my DR choice :-)
>
> ** **
>
> On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
> Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster
> recovery?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Backup to cloud?
>
>  
>
> Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+
> hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location,
> where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about.
> Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… 
>
> *David Lum*
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
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>
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RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

[Sam Cayze]

It's pushing some people to a subscription based plan all right...
Just not always Microsoft's.

-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

It's true, the license is now non-transferrable.  Part of their efforts to
push everybody to the subscription-based plans, no doubt.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

  Reportedly, the licensing for Office 2013 FPP (Full Packaged Product, AKA
retail box) has changed.  Microsoft reportedly says it's only licensed for
the first PC you install it on.  Old PC dies, you buy a new PC?  Better buy
a new copy of Office, too.  So it's like OEM, but at retail pricing.

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/does-your-copy-of-office
-2013-die-with-your-computer-20130208-2e3a1.html

  In addition to being evil and rude, I think this may violate the doctrine
of first sale, making it an illegal provision in some jurisdictions.  But if
Microsoft won't activate your install, that leaves court as an alternative.

  Maybe we'll switch to LibreOffice for 2020.

-- Ben

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Re: Backup to cloud?

[Kurt Buff]

Someone once said something I now say: "I don't care about backups. I
care about restores."

Of course, that includes time to restore, as well as integrity of restore.

AFAICT, backups to the cloud, absent a local copy, aren't worth a
whole bunch, if my 7tb file server falls over.

Kurt

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Ben M. Schorr  wrote:
> That’s the dirty little secret of cloud backups – restore windows can be
> ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet
> connection.
>
>
>
> Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your data to
> you in case you need to do a full restore. Still…
>
>
>
> As for liabilities – I’d probably consult with your lawyers (not the client)
> to see what they think. I’d guess you’d need to have a pretty solid contract
> with them laying out what you are, and aren’t responsible for along with
> SLAs. Then you’ll want a good professional liability insurance policy to
> cover you for those things you are responsible for.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben M. Schorr
>
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Roland Schorr & Tower
>
> www.rolandschorr.com / www.officeforlawyers.com / www.onenote-tips.com
>
> Member: American Bar Association - 01473703
>
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>
> Author: The Lawyer’s Guide to Microsoft Word 2010:
> http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010
>
>
>
>
>
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup to cloud?
>
>
>
> Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours?
> If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location, where do I
> go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client
> in mind is a law firm of all places…
>
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
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RE: Backup to cloud?

[Sam Cayze]

Amazon has some super high speed pipes linked to various centers for
situations like this.  (Called Direct Connect?).  Not too familiar with it.

I think connections as fast as 10Gbps.  You could design your DR strategy
around a data center supporting this.

 

Mozy also supports shipping DVDs/Drives.

 

There are also some solutions that allow you to 'spin-up' your backups at
the cloud location on a VM.  (Check out Unitrends.  Veem?).  Then, you don't
have to download the backups.

 

I put all my 'cloud' backups into the same remote data center I would
restore to in a disaster.  And some of that even gets backed up to the
'real' cloud (Amazon S3).

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup to cloud?

 

I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to
download. The "send me it on a USB drive" option that Ben mentioned is my DR
choice :-)

 

On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent  wrote:

Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster
recovery?

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

 

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours?
If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I
go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client
in mind is a law firm of all places. 

David Lum 
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RE: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

[Ben M. Schorr]

It's true, the license is now non-transferrable.  Part of their efforts to push 
everybody to the subscription-based plans, no doubt.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Office 2013 retail tied to single PCs

  Reportedly, the licensing for Office 2013 FPP (Full Packaged Product, AKA 
retail box) has changed.  Microsoft reportedly says it's only licensed for the 
first PC you install it on.  Old PC dies, you buy a new PC?  Better buy a new 
copy of Office, too.  So it's like OEM, but at retail pricing.

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/does-your-copy-of-office-2013-die-with-your-computer-20130208-2e3a1.html

  In addition to being evil and rude, I think this may violate the doctrine of 
first sale, making it an illegal provision in some jurisdictions.  But if 
Microsoft won't activate your install, that leaves court as an alternative.

  Maybe we'll switch to LibreOffice for 2020.

-- Ben

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RE: Backup to cloud?

[Rod Trent]

System Center DPM can backup to Windows Azure in realtime.  Veeam has a good
cloud backup, too.

 

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup to cloud?

 

Yep, I am considering backup to the cloud after a backup to disk locally
just for disaster recovery sakethen the time doesn't matter as much.
I'd still consider a mail recovery site though like postini or something to
keep mail going in case of tornado or fire.

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster
recovery?

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

 

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours?
If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I
go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client
in mind is a law firm of all places. 

David Lum 
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Re: OT: MCM certification

[Kurt Buff]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Christopher Bodnar
 wrote:
>
> No I do not think they are free to administer. Nor do I claim they should
> be free. I take exception to the fact that they seem to be artificially
> inflated. Just my opinion.
>

While I agree that $14k is a lot of money for the MCM, I'm guessing
the cost to design, validate and administer for such a small audience
is actually more than that.

>From what I read in the series, that seems actually pretty reasonable
- there's a hell of a lot of behind the scenes work, and it involves a
lot of man hours and equipment as well.

I'll never get to that level, but it sounds like MSFT is doing the
right stuff to ensure that those who pass deserve it, and I'm pretty
sure they aren't making any profit on it - probably a bit of a loss.

Kurt

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Re: Backup to cloud?

[James Rankin]

I have 498GB of data stored in the cloud that would take about six weeks to
download. The "send me it on a USB drive" option that Ben mentioned is my
DR choice :-)


On 13 February 2013 17:27, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster
> recovery?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Backup to cloud?
>
> ** **
>
> Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+
> hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location,
> where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about.
> Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… 
>
> *David Lum*
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
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>
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Re: Backup to cloud?

[Steve Ens]

Yep, I am considering backup to the cloud after a backup to disk locally
just for disaster recovery sakethen the time doesn't matter as much.
 I'd still consider a mail recovery site though like postini or something
to keep mail going in case of tornado or fire.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster
> recovery?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Backup to cloud?
>
> ** **
>
> Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+
> hours? If I were to consider hosting a clients’ backups at my location,
> where do I go to find what liabilities I need to worry about.
> Coincidentally the client in mind is a law firm of all places… 
>
> *David Lum*
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> ** **
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RE: Backup to cloud?

[Rod Trent]

Why would retrieval take that long?  Are you talking more about disaster
recovery?

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

 

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours?
If I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I
go to find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client
in mind is a law firm of all places. 

David Lum 
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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RE: Backup to cloud?

[Ben M. Schorr]

That's the dirty little secret of cloud backups - restore windows can be 
ENORMOUS, especially if the client is sitting behind a 3x1 Internet connection.

Some cloud services will (for an extra fee) overnight a DVD of your data to you 
in case you need to do a full restore. Still...

As for liabilities - I'd probably consult with your lawyers (not the client) to 
see what they think. I'd guess you'd need to have a pretty solid contract with 
them laying out what you are, and aren't responsible for along with SLAs. Then 
you'll want a good professional liability insurance policy to cover you for 
those things you are responsible for.


Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com / 
www.officeforlawyers.com / 
www.onenote-tips.com
Member: American Bar Association - 01473703
Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2010: http://goo.gl.HWqKc
Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Word 2010: 
http://tinyurl.com/abaword2010


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup to cloud?

Does backup to cloud even matter if the time to retrieve it spans 20+ hours? If 
I were to consider hosting a clients' backups at my location, where do I go to 
find what liabilities I need to worry about. Coincidentally the client in mind 
is a law firm of all places...
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Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764


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Re: Way OT: Zombie hacking

[Kurt Buff]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Chinnery, Paul  wrote:
> They also hit a couple of northern Michigan stations.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Way OT: Zombie hacking
>
> Someone with more time than brains, but it is amusing...
>
> http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/21769/hacker-broadcasts-emergency-zombie-apocalypse-warning-tv-station-montana
>
> Kurt

Oh noes - yoopers under zombie attack!

Kurt

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RE: Way OT: Zombie hacking

[Chinnery, Paul]

They also hit a couple of northern Michigan stations.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Way OT: Zombie hacking

Someone with more time than brains, but it is amusing...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/21769/hacker-broadcasts-emergency-zombie-apocalypse-warning-tv-station-montana

Kurt

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RE: OT: MCM certification

[Michael B. Smith]

Don't take what I said out of context: "Microsoft loses money on the Exchange 
MCM classes" and "The fee is to ensure that only serious people apply plus to 
cover the cost of the labs, meeting rooms, and presentation materials."

Neither of the sentences stands alone.

Your standard MCT does not teach the MCM certification classes. The engineers 
who designed and coded the products teach the courses. Senior Product Group 
Managers who are responsible for major areas of products teach the courses.  
You get education that is not available at any price from any other place. And 
it is only available a few times a year because those people have "real jobs" - 
creating and supporting products.

I once had the pleasure of spending two days in Redmond taking classes on 
Exchange database theory.  The first day of the course was taught by one of the 
ESE database coders. The second day of the course was taught by the guy 
primarily responsible for the Exchange database schema (which sits on top of 
ESE). Those two days could not have been taught by an MCT. The knowledge that 
was shared was invaluable. The dollars were irrelevant.

But if there had been people in the course that didn't even understand B+ trees 
and how balancing is accomplished - it would've pulled the entire class down. 
If there had been people who didn't understand MPIO and how it can effect 
clustering - it would've pulled the entire class down.

Again, just my opinion. :)

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: MCM certification

Not sure I agree with that.

"The fee is to ensure that only serious people apply"

If you kept everything else the same, all requirements,tests, labs, etc and 
lowered the cost to say $5K. What do you think would happen? Do you really 
think there would be a huge glut of "paper" MCSM/MCM's out there that would be 
able to pass the exams? I highly doubt that. I think you would just be opening 
it up to people who are qualified, but can't currently afford the cost. Not 
that I'm in that category. Wish I was.


Again just my opinion.
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

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3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
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Date:02/13/2013 10:47 AM
Subject:RE: OT: MCM certification




Microsoft loses money on the Exchange MCM classes. I suspect they do for all of 
the MCM tracks.

The fee is to ensure that only serious people apply plus to cover the cost of 
the labs, meeting rooms, and presentation materials.

Big companies need people with big experience.

I don't pass the screening criteria for Exchange MCM (I've never done a 750K 
seat deployment of Exchange). But they've told me they'd let me in as a favor. 
:)

But I can't afford the class, plus the travel, plus the loss of revenue 
(income) for 3 weeks. I wish I could.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar 
mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com>> wrote:
>
> Was reading this yesterday:
>
> http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101
>
> And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to 
> this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I think 
> the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a factor to 
> reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this 
> certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider 
> this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, or 
> that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for MS and 
> I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary groups of 
> people seeking this certification. My employer would never consider this 
> strictly based on cost and ROI.
>
> Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?
>
> Chris

Uh - do you think it's free to administer these tests?

Kurt

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RE: OT: MCM certification

[Christopher Bodnar]

Not sure I agree with that. 

"The fee is to ensure that only serious people apply"

If you kept everything else the same, all requirements,tests, labs, 
etc and lowered the cost to say $5K. What do you think would happen? 
Do you really think there would be a huge glut of "paper" MCSM/MCM's out 
there that would be able to pass the exams? I highly doubt that. I think 
you would just be opening it up to people who are qualified, but can't 
currently afford the cost. Not that I'm in that category. Wish I was.


Again just my opinion. 

Christopher Bodnar 
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise 
Architecture and Engineering Services 
Tel 610-807-6459 
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 
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From:   "Michael B. Smith" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:   02/13/2013 10:47 AM
Subject:RE: OT: MCM certification



Microsoft loses money on the Exchange MCM classes. I suspect they do for 
all of the MCM tracks.

The fee is to ensure that only serious people apply plus to cover the cost 
of the labs, meeting rooms, and presentation materials.

Big companies need people with big experience.

I don't pass the screening criteria for Exchange MCM (I've never done a 
750K seat deployment of Exchange). But they've told me they'd let me in as 
a favor. :)

But I can't afford the class, plus the travel, plus the loss of revenue 
(income) for 3 weeks. I wish I could.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar 
 wrote:
>
> Was reading this yesterday:
>
> http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101
>
> And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road 
to this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I 
think the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a 
factor to reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this 
certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider 
this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, 
or that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for 
MS and I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary 
groups of people seeking this certification. My employer would never 
consider this strictly based on cost and ROI.
>
> Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?
>
> Chris

Uh - do you think it's free to administer these tests?

Kurt

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RE: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[John Cook]

Glad to help get confirmation . I'd still investigate the GPO publishing track 
if you have the time.

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From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM, John Cook  wrote:
> You might go through these, it could be of help.
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd379488(WS.10).aspx

Yeah, I've read that. And done it.

I think this is the part that I just wanted to verify:

---
In most cases, a new print server will not affect other computers in the 
enterprise. Existing client connections may be corrupted if you make a change 
to any of the following print server properties:

The print server name

The printer name

The print share name

The share permissions

The printer's availability to the server
---

I'm not changing any of those, so I should be OK. Still not sure if I should 
unpublish and unshare from the old server first, Just In Case.
That's really what I am asking ...

AH HA! And I didn't read closely enough ... < 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd379557(v=ws.10).aspx >

-
When you restore printers to the destination server, do not publish printers to 
AD DS. This prevents duplicate printers from being displayed by AD DS before 
the destination server configuration is verified.

On the source server, you must unpublish printers before renaming the source 
server. To do this, select all printers in the Print Management snap-in, 
right-click the selected printers, and then click Remove from Directory. This 
prevents printers from being published twice to AD DS when the source server is 
renamed.

After renaming the destination server to the source server's original name, you 
can publish all printers on the destination server to AD DS.
To do this, select all printers in the Print Management snap-in, right-click 
the selected printers, and then click List in directory.
-

There you go, that's what I needed. Confirmation to do exactly what I was 
planning to do anyway. :-)

Thanks

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Re: OT: MCM certification

[Christopher Bodnar]

No I do not think they are free to administer. Nor do I claim they should 
be free. I take exception to the fact that they seem to be artificially 
inflated. Just my opinion. 


Christopher Bodnar 
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise 
Architecture and Engineering Services 
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To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:   02/13/2013 10:38 AM
Subject:Re: OT: MCM certification



On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar
 wrote:
>
> Was reading this yesterday:
>
> http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101
>
> And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road 
to this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I 
think the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a 
factor to reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this 
certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider 
this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, 
or that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for 
MS and I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary 
groups of people seeking this certification. My employer would never 
consider this strictly based on cost and ROI.
>
> Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?
>
> Chris

Uh - do you think it's free to administer these tests?

Kurt

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RE: OT: MCM certification

[Michael B. Smith]

Microsoft loses money on the Exchange MCM classes. I suspect they do for all of 
the MCM tracks.

The fee is to ensure that only serious people apply plus to cover the cost of 
the labs, meeting rooms, and presentation materials.

Big companies need people with big experience.

I don't pass the screening criteria for Exchange MCM (I've never done a 750K 
seat deployment of Exchange). But they've told me they'd let me in as a favor. 
:)

But I can't afford the class, plus the travel, plus the loss of revenue 
(income) for 3 weeks. I wish I could.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar 
 wrote:
>
> Was reading this yesterday:
>
> http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101
>
> And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to 
> this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I think 
> the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a factor to 
> reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this 
> certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider 
> this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, or 
> that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for MS and 
> I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary groups of 
> people seeking this certification. My employer would never consider this 
> strictly based on cost and ROI.
>
> Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?
>
> Chris

Uh - do you think it's free to administer these tests?

Kurt

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Re: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[Michael Leone]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM, John Cook  wrote:
> You might go through these, it could be of help.
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd379488(WS.10).aspx

Yeah, I've read that. And done it.

I think this is the part that I just wanted to verify:

---
In most cases, a new print server will not affect other computers in
the enterprise. Existing client connections may be corrupted if you
make a change to any of the following print server properties:

The print server name

The printer name

The print share name

The share permissions

The printer’s availability to the server
---

I'm not changing any of those, so I should be OK. Still not sure if I
should unpublish and unshare from the old server first, Just In Case.
That's really what I am asking ...

AH HA! And I didn't read closely enough ... <
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd379557(v=ws.10).aspx >

-
When you restore printers to the destination server, do not publish
printers to AD DS. This prevents duplicate printers from being
displayed by AD DS before the destination server configuration is
verified.

On the source server, you must unpublish printers before renaming the
source server. To do this, select all printers in the Print Management
snap-in, right-click the selected printers, and then click Remove from
Directory. This prevents printers from being published twice to AD DS
when the source server is renamed.

After renaming the destination server to the source server’s original
name, you can publish all printers on the destination server to AD DS.
To do this, select all printers in the Print Management snap-in,
right-click the selected printers, and then click List in directory.
-

There you go, that's what I needed. Confirmation to do exactly what I
was planning to do anyway. :-)

Thanks

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Re: OT: MCM certification

[Kurt Buff]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar
 wrote:
>
> Was reading this yesterday:
>
> http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101
>
> And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to 
> this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I think 
> the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a factor to 
> reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this 
> certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider 
> this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, or 
> that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for MS and 
> I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary groups of 
> people seeking this certification. My employer would never consider this 
> strictly based on cost and ROI.
>
> Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?
>
> Chris

Uh - do you think it's free to administer these tests?

Kurt

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RE: MCM certification

[Maglinger, Paul]

I see the cost of the certification is to make sure you study for it. I see the 
price tag as making sure you're serious about your endeavors.  If the cert was 
$50 a pop, you could simply take it over and over until you eventually passed 
by knowing just the answers or by pure dumb luck.  I didn't take my certs 
lightly as the cost came out of my own pocket.

-Paul

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: MCM certification

Was reading this yesterday:

http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101

And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to this 
certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I think the 
certification is difficult enough without adding that as a factor to reduce the 
overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this certification. Maybe I'm 
in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider this certification, just 
based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, or that I even think I'm 
ready for something like this. I don't work for MS and I'm not a consultant. 
Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary groups of people seeking this 
certification. My employer would never consider this strictly based on cost and 
ROI.

Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?


Chris



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RE: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[John Cook]

You might go through these, it could be of help.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd379488(WS.10).aspx
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722360.aspx

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:45 AM, John Cook  wrote:
> Depending on your organizational structure you could possibly just publish 
> all the new printers to your users and make life a little easier going 
> forward - you could eliminate the manual process by just adding a printer 
> policy to a user.

But aren't the already published printers tied to the old print server? These 
aren't new printers, really - the only change is the underlying print server. 
There are no new printers - all the same names and same IP addresses of the 
printers. I just duplicated the entries from the old print server to the new.

I'm now more confused than before. :-)

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OT: MCM certification

[Christopher Bodnar]

Was reading this yesterday:

http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101

And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to 
this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I 
think the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a 
factor to reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this 
certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider 
this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, 
or that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for 
MS and I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary 
groups of people seeking this certification. My employer would never 
consider this strictly based on cost and ROI. 

Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here? 




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Re: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[Michael Leone]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:45 AM, John Cook  wrote:
> Depending on your organizational structure you could possibly just publish 
> all the new printers to your users and make life a little easier going 
> forward - you could eliminate the manual process by just adding a printer 
> policy to a user.

But aren't the already published printers tied to the old print
server? These aren't new printers, really - the only change is the
underlying print server. There are no new printers - all the same
names and same IP addresses of the printers. I just duplicated the
entries from the old print server to the new.

I'm now more confused than before. :-)

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RE: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[John Cook]

Depending on your organizational structure you could possibly just publish all 
the new printers to your users and make life a little easier going forward - 
you could eliminate the manual process by just adding a printer policy to a 
user.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
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From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM, John Cook  wrote:
> Any chance you could just publish them in Group Policy?

... I don't know if they (some of them) are already being being published via 
GPO. Might be, probably are. But not all of them.

What impact does that have on my plans?

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Re: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[Michael Leone]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM, John Cook  wrote:
> Any chance you could just publish them in Group Policy?

... I don't know if they (some of them) are already being being
published via GPO. Might be, probably are. But not all of them.

What impact does that have on my plans?

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RE: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[John Cook]

Any chance you could just publish them in Group Policy?

 John W. Cook
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

So I need to replace one of my current print servers (Win2003, 32bit) with a 
new VM (Win2008 R2, 64bit). Some of you may recall my emails about this 
recently. Anyway, I have the new server ready, all printers defined on it (with 
the same names as the current production printers). My question is about 
actually cutting over to the new server.

Before I do that, do I need to unlist the printers from the directory on the 
old production print server and unshare the printers *before* changing it's 
name and IP? That's a bit of a pain, because there are
93 printers, and I haven't found a way to do that as a batch, so I'd have to 
change each printer definition manually.I don't know how printers are treated 
in  the directory - do they have a unique SID like a computer object, and so 
just creating a new printer with the same name on a server with the same name 
does not mean that it will just work?

Once I unlist and unshare, I should be able to change the name and IP of the 
old server; re-assign them to the new printer; list all the new printers in the 
directory. And then all should Just Work.

Is that right? Am I missing a step? Do I have a step wrong?

Thanks

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Replacing a print server - publishing printers in directory?

[Michael Leone]

So I need to replace one of my current print servers (Win2003, 32bit)
with a new VM (Win2008 R2, 64bit). Some of you may recall my emails
about this recently. Anyway, I have the new server ready, all printers
defined on it (with the same names as the current production
printers). My question is about actually cutting over to the new
server.

Before I do that, do I need to unlist the printers from the directory
on the old production print server and unshare the printers *before*
changing it's name and IP? That's a bit of a pain, because there are
93 printers, and I haven't found a way to do that as a batch, so I'd
have to change each printer definition manually.I don't know how
printers are treated in  the directory - do they have a unique SID
like a computer object, and so just creating a new printer with the
same name on a server with the same name does not mean that it will
just work?

Once I unlist and unshare, I should be able to change the name and IP
of the old server; re-assign them to the new printer; list all the new
printers in the directory. And then all should Just Work.

Is that right? Am I missing a step? Do I have a step wrong?

Thanks

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Re: file limitation error

[Graeme Carstairs]

I Love how windows lets you make the files and folders have too long a path
name but then refuses to let you move them out again, cos the paths too big.

some should have fixed that a long time ago

Also how some things balk at the 256 character limit and others are quite
happy to continue past.

It seems like its a limit but not really.



On 13 February 2013 02:01, Jon Harris  wrote:

>  +1 on this!  I had a user that really LOVED to use descriptive folder
> names and file names as well as very deep trees.  She would about once a
> year need to have her system in the shop while I would rearrange files and
> folders so that she could get to the deepest of the folders.
>
> Jon
>
> --
> Subject: Re: file limitation error
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:28:07 +
>
> How long is the deepest path?
>
> I've seen file copying stuff screw up with monstrously long path names
>
> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email
> RELIABLY
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> *From: * "Chinnery, Paul" 
> *Date: *Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:22:29 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *file limitation error
>
>  I'm not sure if this is the proper forum for this question, but here
> goes:
>
> We are storing scanned documents in one folder.  A file conversion program
> being run by one of our vendors is taking scanned documents from a Win2K
> server and putting them into a Win 2008r2 server.  The conversion is just
> to place them in a folder tree that is accessibly by our hospital EMR
> system.
> After placing >1.5 million files in a considerable number of directories,
> and, the program is now generating an error:  Error Making Directory
> -Requested operation could not be comleted due to a file system limitation."
> There is no compression of the folder or files (which is one thing that
> could cause that error).
> Is this a call to PSS type of problem?
> Paul Chinnery
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> Memorial Medical Center
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Re: Tech support call from "Microsoft"

[Graeme Carstairs]

Some of Those calls in the UK are apparently from a "Legit Company" who
sell you service contracts such as £90 to fix the current problem, or £120
to cover you for the year,

One  of my friends dads spent 8 hours on the call (the company had called
back) and paid £120, and the problem he had want resolved. they called back
the next day and spent another 14 hours on his PC.

2 minutes looking at it I said its a backup and reinstall job, and fixed it
in 2 hours

He got his money back, paid by Visa, and claimed they sold services which
didnt achieve what he was told.

The selling methods are underhand and possibly illegal but this one company
did actually attempt to carry out what they had sold

But I would do a full malware and rootkit check.

Graeme


On 13 February 2013 10:26, Tobie Fysh  wrote:

>  I got one of these at home a few weeks ago. I put on my very best broad
> Norfolk accent (*think “hillbilly” for the Americans amongst us*) and
> said “ahhh, my boy deals with that doh hicky, hang on, I’ll pass you over”
> 
>
> ** **
>
> To four year old son: “it’s for you”
>
> ** **
>
> Son: “hloo, you happy today? Where grandma? I’m having my breakfast.”*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> They hung up.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 13 February 2013 00:42
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Tech support call from "Microsoft"
>
> ** **
>
> Just got off the phone from a not so computer savvy friend of mine. He had
> a call from “Microsoft” from WV a technician with a very tick Indian
> accent, apparently my friends computer was infected and kept sending out
> spam to a server but the technician assured him that he would fix it, just
> connect with TeamViewer and he’ll fix it. My friend said to me it must be
> real because he had called 3 times and even left a phone number! Luckily he
> got a bit suspicious and called my on his cell, I told him to immediately
> disconnect the TeamViewer session. I don’t think the technician had enough
> time to do anything malicious before he was disconnected. I asked my friend
> to do a system restore from a few days ago.
>
>  
>
> How can people be so gullible?
>
>  
>
> Anything else to look out for?
>
>
>
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Re: Tech support call from "Microsoft"

[Rene de Haas]

I got one some time ago as well. Claiming to be from Microsoft.
First I played being gratefull for the warning.
Then said so you work for Microsft eh interesting, what was your name again.
Hung up. on me.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Tobie Fysh
wrote:

>  I got one of these at home a few weeks ago. I put on my very best broad
> Norfolk accent (*think “hillbilly” for the Americans amongst us*) and
> said “ahhh, my boy deals with that doh hicky, hang on, I’ll pass you over”
> 
>
> ** **
>
> To four year old son: “it’s for you”
>
> ** **
>
> Son: “hloo, you happy today? Where grandma? I’m having my breakfast.”*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> They hung up.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 13 February 2013 00:42
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Tech support call from "Microsoft"
>
>  ** **
>
> Just got off the phone from a not so computer savvy friend of mine. He had
> a call from “Microsoft” from WV a technician with a very tick Indian
> accent, apparently my friends computer was infected and kept sending out
> spam to a server but the technician assured him that he would fix it, just
> connect with TeamViewer and he’ll fix it. My friend said to me it must be
> real because he had called 3 times and even left a phone number! Luckily he
> got a bit suspicious and called my on his cell, I told him to immediately
> disconnect the TeamViewer session. I don’t think the technician had enough
> time to do anything malicious before he was disconnected. I asked my friend
> to do a system restore from a few days ago.
>
>  
>
> How can people be so gullible?
>
>  
>
> Anything else to look out for?
>
>
>
> --
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>
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RE: Tech support call from "Microsoft"

[Tobie Fysh]

I got one of these at home a few weeks ago. I put on my very best broad Norfolk 
accent (think "hillbilly" for the Americans amongst us) and said "ahhh, my boy 
deals with that doh hicky, hang on, I'll pass you over"

To four year old son: "it's for you"

Son: "hloo, you happy today? Where grandma? I'm having my breakfast."

They hung up.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 February 2013 00:42
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Tech support call from "Microsoft"

Just got off the phone from a not so computer savvy friend of mine. He had a 
call from "Microsoft" from WV a technician with a very tick Indian accent, 
apparently my friends computer was infected and kept sending out spam to a 
server but the technician assured him that he would fix it, just connect with 
TeamViewer and he'll fix it. My friend said to me it must be real because he 
had called 3 times and even left a phone number! Luckily he got a bit 
suspicious and called my on his cell, I told him to immediately disconnect the 
TeamViewer session. I don't think the technician had enough time to do anything 
malicious before he was disconnected. I asked my friend to do a system restore 
from a few days ago.

How can people be so gullible?

Anything else to look out for?


--
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Re: upgrading W2K3 to W2K8 both 32 bit, uninstalling Powershell breaks things.

[Rene de Haas]

Hi All,

Thanks for the advice.

Issue is mostly solved. Like the errormessage pointed out it had to do with
the web.config file, it was missing a section that was in the
machine.config.
Because of the powershell warning I first thought that had caused it,but it
didn't.

As to the advice of doing a clean installation. I couldn't agree more. Much
easier to test offline.
That was what I recoommended the owners as well, but because it's quite a
complicated piece of software distributed over several servers she didn't
want to go that route.
Apparently a clean install with some consultants years ago had gone
horribly wrong and she still has a trauma from that.
Now in a year or so we will need to do a clean install anyway because of
the move to a 64 bit OS.
Had we done it now I would have upgraded to 2012 and they would've been
done for years.

Thanks
René


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> in for a penny, in for a pound. You may just want to go to PowerShell v2
> to see if that resolves the whole thing.  Although it got grouped in with
> the Windows Management Framework.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/968929?wa=wsignin1.0
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  I've done several in-place 2008 x64 to 2008-R2 x64, and a couple
>> 2008 R2 to 2012, but those were on boxes I had completely controlled, so I
>> knew what to expect.
>>
>> In general, I would avoid doing that sort of upgrade, especially if lots
>> of software is installed.
>>
>> Why the upgrade?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *ASB
>> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
>> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
>> for the SMB market…***
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Webster  wrote:
>>
>>>  Issues like these are why I never recommend in-place upgrades.  Sorry
>>> that is no help to you now.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Webster
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:17 PM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* upgrading W2K3 to W2K8 both 32 bit, uninstalling Powershell
>>> breaks things.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> At the beginning of the upgrade it does a compatibility check and tells
>>> me to remove powershell.
>>>
>>> I check and it's version 1.0. When starting the uninstall it lists a
>>> whole bunch of stuff that will break if I uninstall it. Amongst other
>>> things the dot net framework, which breaks other programs. Also the
>>> programs they desperately need were mentioned. The program is using SQL
>>> server 2008 btw.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I googled but didn't see anything indicating a way I can do this without
>>> uninstalling it.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I uninstalled powershell. upgrade to W2K8 went fine.
>>>
>>> Program errored. Unfortunately, allmost nothing about the program is on
>>> the internet.
>>>
>>> Only on the manufacturers website. And that information leaves something
>>> to be desired.
>>>
>>> Added powershell 1.0 through features. Didn't fix the error.
>>>
>>> Repair dot net. Didn't fix it.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> In IIS  I keep getting "The configuration section 'protocolMapping'
>>> cannot be read because it is missing a section declaration. The web.config
>>> file hasn't changed though.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Maybe I could start over, change the powershell registry key a bit and
>>> after the upgrade restore it?
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Grateful for any ideas
>>>
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