RE: A question about Virtualization

[Brian Desmond]

It’s included in some EAs too – pseudo free.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

Tight AD integration, for one. Lots of GP control, for another.

From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get 
APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application vs 
a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference here 
because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using App-V ?


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I 
find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My 
other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great 
at all.

One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through 
Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need 
the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V 
client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right 
through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.

App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their 
Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the 
kind of deployments I do.

I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire 
"virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of 
profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based 
around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the 
more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level.

Cheers,


JR
On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires 
no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner distribution package.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Server virtualization?
Desktop virtualization?
Application virtualization?
Profile/user virtualization?

All different parts of the virtualization tree.

If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players
Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
Profile/user - AppSense
On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com<mailto:itli...@imcu.com> 
mailto:itli...@imcu.com>> wrote:
I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
A Blade server with a SAN back end?
I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
Please don’t flame me to badly.
Thanks
David

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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Rankin, James R]

The client calls the "package" or "sequence" that you put together using the 
App-V Sequencer (similar to a Citrix profiler). This sequence is a capture of 
the installation which then streams all the files, folders, reg keys, etc. down 
to the client and runs the app. You can run this stream from a file share like 
you said, or through http or native App-V from a management server. If you need 
a run-down of the features of the various streams versus running it through SMB 
from a file share, I might have to get on to an App-V MVP of my acquaintance. 
But on good SAN links the SMB approach seems to work very efficiently for me.

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: Harry Singh 
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 00:24:37 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: A question about 
Virtualization

That's an eye opener, thanks James. So the client on the server simply
calls the installation binaries that exist on that same server or a shared
folder that could sit on the SAN ? Not having to install applications on
Citirix servers is a MAJOR plus. And as you mentioned, the Citrix Streaming
Profiler is just not a real elegant/easy solution, in my opinion.




On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Rankin, James R wrote:

> **
> Its the packaging. To run an app thru Citrix it needs to be installed on a
> Citrix server. If it is delivered via App-V all you need is the client on
> the server, which can then run hundreds or thousands of apps without any of
> them needing to be installed. They are also self-contained - you can run
> apps that don't "get on" alongside each other without issue. The main
> benefit of App-V for me is in image management - no need to update or
> maintain software on hundreds of Citrix servers. Just put the App-V client
> and Citrix Receiver in the base image and all your apps are effectively
> already installed and ready for use.
> ---Blackberried
> --
> *From: * Harry Singh 
> *Date: *Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:34:13 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *Re: A question about Virtualization
>
> Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to
> get APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V
> application vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key
> difference here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not
> using App-V ?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin wrote:
>
>> I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff
>> up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used
>> for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and
>> that ain't great at all.
>>
>> One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it
>> through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't
>> even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to
>> the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V
>> stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.
>>
>> App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their
>> Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the
>> kind of deployments I do.
>>
>> I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire
>> "virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of
>> profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution
>> based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather
>> than the more limited options available on a server or desktop
>> virtualization level.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook  wrote:
>>
>>>  I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp
>>> requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner
>>> distribution package.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  *John W. Cook*
>>>
>>> *Network Operations Manager*
>>>
>>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>>
>>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>>
>>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>>
>>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>>
>>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>>
>>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]

Re: A question about Virtualization

[Harry Singh]

That's an eye opener, thanks James. So the client on the server simply
calls the installation binaries that exist on that same server or a shared
folder that could sit on the SAN ? Not having to install applications on
Citirix servers is a MAJOR plus. And as you mentioned, the Citrix Streaming
Profiler is just not a real elegant/easy solution, in my opinion.




On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Rankin, James R wrote:

> **
> Its the packaging. To run an app thru Citrix it needs to be installed on a
> Citrix server. If it is delivered via App-V all you need is the client on
> the server, which can then run hundreds or thousands of apps without any of
> them needing to be installed. They are also self-contained - you can run
> apps that don't "get on" alongside each other without issue. The main
> benefit of App-V for me is in image management - no need to update or
> maintain software on hundreds of Citrix servers. Just put the App-V client
> and Citrix Receiver in the base image and all your apps are effectively
> already installed and ready for use.
> ---Blackberried
> --
> *From: * Harry Singh 
> *Date: *Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:34:13 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *Re: A question about Virtualization
>
> Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to
> get APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V
> application vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key
> difference here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not
> using App-V ?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin wrote:
>
>> I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff
>> up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used
>> for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and
>> that ain't great at all.
>>
>> One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it
>> through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't
>> even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to
>> the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V
>> stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.
>>
>> App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their
>> Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the
>> kind of deployments I do.
>>
>> I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire
>> "virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of
>> profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution
>> based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather
>> than the more limited options available on a server or desktop
>> virtualization level.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook  wrote:
>>
>>>  I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp
>>> requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner
>>> distribution package.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  *John W. Cook*
>>>
>>> *Network Operations Manager*
>>>
>>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>>
>>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>>
>>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>>
>>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>>
>>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>>
>>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Server virtualization?
>>> Desktop virtualization?
>>> Application virtualization?
>>> Profile/user virtualization?
>>>
>>> All different parts of the virtualization tree.
>>>
>>> If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest
>>> players
>>> Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
>>> Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
>>> Profile/user - AppSense
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have no experience with V

Re: A question about Virtualization

[Rankin, James R]

Its the packaging. To run an app thru Citrix it needs to be installed on a 
Citrix server. If it is delivered via App-V all you need is the client on the 
server, which can then run hundreds or thousands of apps without any of them 
needing to be installed. They are also self-contained - you can run apps that 
don't "get on" alongside each other without issue. The main benefit of App-V 
for me is in image management - no need to update or maintain software on 
hundreds of Citrix servers. Just put the App-V client and Citrix Receiver in 
the base image and all your apps are effectively already installed and ready 
for use.

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: Harry Singh 
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:34:13 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: A question about 
Virtualization

Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get
APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application
vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference
here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using
App-V ?



On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin  wrote:

> I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff
> up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used
> for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and
> that ain't great at all.
>
> One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it
> through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't
> even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to
> the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V
> stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.
>
> App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their
> Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the
> kind of deployments I do.
>
> I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire
> "virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of
> profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution
> based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather
> than the more limited options available on a server or desktop
> virtualization level.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> JR
>
> On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook  wrote:
>
>>  I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp
>> requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner
>> distribution package.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *Network Operations Manager*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization
>>
>>
>>
>> Server virtualization?
>> Desktop virtualization?
>> Application virtualization?
>> Profile/user virtualization?
>>
>> All different parts of the virtualization tree.
>>
>> If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest
>> players
>> Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
>> Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
>> Profile/user - AppSense
>>
>>
>>  On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:
>>
>> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>>
>> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>>
>> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>>
>> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>>
>> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>>
>> Please don’t flame me to badly.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
>> ---
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>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *James Rankin*
>> Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS)
>> http://appsensebig

Re: A question about Virtualization

[Harry Singh]

Hopping on here late, but there isn't a local software client needed to get
APP-V to deliver apps? What's the benefit of deploying an App-V application
vs a published App via XenApp? I feel like I'm missing a key difference
here because if you're a Citrix shop what are you missing by not using
App-V ?



On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, James Rankin  wrote:

> I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff
> up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used
> for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and
> that ain't great at all.
>
> One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it
> through Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't
> even need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to
> the App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V
> stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.
>
> App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their
> Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the
> kind of deployments I do.
>
> I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire
> "virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of
> profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution
> based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather
> than the more limited options available on a server or desktop
> virtualization level.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> JR
>
> On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook  wrote:
>
>>  I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp
>> requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner
>> distribution package.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *Network Operations Manager*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>
>> *Cell     (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization
>>
>>
>>
>> Server virtualization?
>> Desktop virtualization?
>> Application virtualization?
>> Profile/user virtualization?
>>
>> All different parts of the virtualization tree.
>>
>> If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest
>> players
>> Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
>> Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
>> Profile/user - AppSense
>>
>>
>>  On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:
>>
>> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>>
>> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>>
>> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>>
>> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>>
>> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>>
>> Please don’t flame me to badly.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>> Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS)
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Michael Leone]

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
> 3 hosts for 10 servers?!?!?!!?!?!  I have 3 hosts and I run 120 servers on
> them  SAN switches?  Kool-aid taste good?

I do 120 VMs on 6 hosts,  w/256G RAM ea. Soon to be 512G, so we can
run more VMs ... all backed by an FC SAN ...

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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Rankin, James R]

All joking aside, I've worked on contracts where a squad of specialists from 
this list could have done a far better and more cost-effective job than the 
consultants actually involved. Don't know whether anyone recalls a message I 
mistakenly sent to the list two years ago meant for Webster that said "these 
consultants are so full of sh*t", but I've been on site recently with the same 
customer cleaning up the same problems I highlighted then. But at an increased 
daily rate :-)

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: "Ziots, Edward" 
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:31:33 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: A question about 
Virtualization

I will assist on the systems security review and risk management...  you
can email me offline for assistance, if needed. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

 

If I understand the NTSysAdminIssues SLA correctly I have to post (with
passwords in clear text) all firewall, switch, and Active Directory
configurations.

Any financial software with backdoor setup information with super user
access.

For this TigerTeam to properly be able to 'help' me get a 'really' good
configuration.

 

Does that about sum it up?

 

I will consider this option

 

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:15 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: A question about Virtualization
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

 

I'll take the VCenter piece if I can do it remotely J

 

 John W. Cook

Network Operations Manager

Partnership For Strong Families

5950 NW 1st Place

Gainesville, Fl 32607

Office (352) 244-1610

Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

 

Pffft. I'm sure between the list members here if you need a "tiger team"
to sort your virtualization project we can put one together. I'm calling
first dibs on the application/user virtualization piece :-)

---Blackberried



From: Sean Martin  

Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:51:51 -0900

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

 

Find a reputable solutions partner and have them assess your
environment. Whether your environment is large or small, there are tons
of variables that can affect decision making. A small investment in
professional services can help you avoid unecessary investments in the
future. 

 

FWIW, I would avoid a blade solution if at all possible. It doesn't
sound like your environment is large enough to justify blades. 

 

Just my $.02.

 

- Sean

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM, itli...@imcu.com 
wrote:

I have no experience with Virtualized anything.

I have read VMware is better than Citrix.

What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?

A Blade server with a SAN back end?

I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.

Please don't flame me to badly.

Thanks

David

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Rankin, James R]

That about sums it up. And its all chargeable by the hour :-)

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: "itli...@imcu.com" 
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:24:31 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: A question about 
Virtualization

If I understand the NTSysAdminIssues SLA correctly I have to post (with
passwords in clear text) all firewall, switch, and Active Directory
configurations.

Any financial software with backdoor setup information with super user
access.

For this TigerTeam to properly be able to 'help' me get a 'really' good
configuration.

 

Does that about sum it up?

 

I will consider this option

 

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:15 PM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: A question about Virtualization
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

 

I'll take the VCenter piece if I can do it remotely J

 

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Network Operations Manager

Partnership For Strong Families

5950 NW 1st Place

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Office (352) 244-1610

Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

 

Pffft. I'm sure between the list members here if you need a "tiger team"
to sort your virtualization project we can put one together. I'm calling
first dibs on the application/user virtualization piece :-)

---Blackberried



From: Sean Martin  

Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:51:51 -0900

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

 

Find a reputable solutions partner and have them assess your
environment. Whether your environment is large or small, there are tons
of variables that can affect decision making. A small investment in
professional services can help you avoid unecessary investments in the
future. 

 

FWIW, I would avoid a blade solution if at all possible. It doesn't
sound like your environment is large enough to justify blades. 

 

Just my $.02.

 

- Sean

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM, itli...@imcu.com 
wrote:

I have no experience with Virtualized anything.

I have read VMware is better than Citrix.

What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?

A Blade server with a SAN back end?

I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.

Please don't flame me to badly.

Thanks

David

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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Rankin, James R]

Pffft. I'm sure between the list members here if you need a "tiger team" to 
sort your virtualization project we can put one together. I'm calling first 
dibs on the application/user virtualization piece :-)

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: Sean Martin 
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:51:51 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: A question about 
Virtualization

Find a reputable solutions partner and have them assess your environment.
Whether your environment is large or small, there are tons of variables
that can affect decision making. A small investment in professional
services can help you avoid unecessary investments in the future.

FWIW, I would avoid a blade solution if at all possible. It doesn't sound
like your environment is large enough to justify blades.

Just my $.02.

- Sean

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:28 AM, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:

>  I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>
> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>
> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>
> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>
> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>
> Please don’t flame me to badly.
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
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>
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RE: A question about Virtualization

[Maglinger, Paul]

With that in mind, keep a watch for development machines that never go away and 
"development machines" that magically become production.  It's easy to do when 
you're not buying hardware to support your test environment anymore.  

My 2 cents.

Paul

> -Original Message-
> From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:26 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization
> 
> Boy, you've got that right.  About 18 months ago, we started with about 30 
> servers on
> 5 hosts.  It's now up to around 60 servers and just last week we doubled the 
> memory
> in the hosts.  I plan to budget for a new host next year.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization
> 
> Good luck!
> Also consider "VM Sprawl".
> You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple.
> 
> (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization
> 
> Thanks all,
> I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not sure.  
> I am waiting
> on specs.
> I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday,
> November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
> Conversation: A question about Virtualization
> Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization
> 
> Hey David.
> 
> My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and 
> create a
> little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use:
> 
> VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
> Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
> Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
> Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)
> 
> 
> 
> After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of 
> investment you are
> in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, with lots 
> of
> processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared storage.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: itli...@imcu.com
> [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
> 08:28:21 -0800
> Subject: A question about Virtualization
> 
> 
> > I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
> >
> > I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
> >
> > What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
> >
> > A Blade server with a SAN back end?
> >
> > I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
> >
> > Please don't flame me to badly.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> >
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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Kurt Buff]

We're using VMware Essentials Plus, and standard MSFT servers - no Citrix
here. Not a need for it at this point.

Kurt


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Rankin, James R wrote:

> **
> If you're using Citrix, then PVS is the mutt's nuts when dealing with
> virtualized systems. Seeing as Webster is asleep after 40 hours awake, I
> thought I'd better plug all the Citrix products in his absence :-)
> ---Blackberried
> --
> *From: * Kurt Buff 
> *Date: *Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:09:24 -0800
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *Re: A question about Virtualization
>
> I've always run my servers with 'one box, one app' in mind - and
> virtualizing is saving us a lot of money for hardware, etc.
>
> Now all I have to do is convince some folks to let me virtualize the
> remaining machines, and I'll be very happy.
>
> Kurt
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> Thinly provisioning servers, too.
>> In that most of my servers now host a single app or role.  I went from 3
>> physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
>> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Also consider "VM Sprawl".
>>> You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple.
>>>
>>> (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization
>>>
>>> Thanks all,
>>> I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not
>>> sure.  I am waiting on specs.
>>> I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>>> Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM
>>> Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
>>> Conversation: A question about Virtualization
>>> Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization
>>>
>>> Hey David.
>>>
>>> My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip
>>> and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free
>>> version to use:
>>>
>>> VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
>>> Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
>>> Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
>>> Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of
>>> investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large
>>> servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention
>>> extra networking and shared storage.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Matt Ross
>>> Ephrata School District
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: itli...@imcu.com
>>> [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>>> Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
>>> 08:28:21 -0800
>>> Subject: A question about Virtualization
>>>
>>>
>>> > I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>>> >
>>> > I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>>> >
>>> > What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>>> >
>>> > A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>>> >
>>> > I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>>> >
>>> > Please don't flame me to badly.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>> >
>>> > ---
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>>> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
>>> > 

Re: A question about Virtualization

[Rankin, James R]

If you're using Citrix, then PVS is the mutt's nuts when dealing with 
virtualized systems. Seeing as Webster is asleep after 40 hours awake, I 
thought I'd better plug all the Citrix products in his absence :-)

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff 
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:09:24 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: A question about 
Virtualization

I've always run my servers with 'one box, one app' in mind - and
virtualizing is saving us a lot of money for hardware, etc.

Now all I have to do is convince some folks to let me virtualize the
remaining machines, and I'll be very happy.

Kurt


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Thinly provisioning servers, too.
> In that most of my servers now host a single app or role.  I went from 3
> physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
>> Good luck!
>> Also consider "VM Sprawl".
>> You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple.
>>
>> (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization
>>
>> Thanks all,
>> I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not
>> sure.  I am waiting on specs.
>> I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>> Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM
>> Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
>> Conversation: A question about Virtualization
>> Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization
>>
>> Hey David.
>>
>> My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip
>> and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free
>> version to use:
>>
>> VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
>> Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
>> Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
>> Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)
>>
>> 
>>
>> After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of
>> investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large
>> servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention
>> extra networking and shared storage.
>>
>>
>> --Matt Ross
>> Ephrata School District
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: itli...@imcu.com
>> [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
>> 08:28:21 -0800
>> Subject: A question about Virtualization
>>
>>
>> > I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>> >
>> > I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>> >
>> > What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>> >
>> > A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>> >
>> > I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>> >
>> > Please don't flame me to badly.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
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>> >
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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Kurt Buff]

I've always run my servers with 'one box, one app' in mind - and
virtualizing is saving us a lot of money for hardware, etc.

Now all I have to do is convince some folks to let me virtualize the
remaining machines, and I'll be very happy.

Kurt


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Thinly provisioning servers, too.
> In that most of my servers now host a single app or role.  I went from 3
> physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
>> Good luck!
>> Also consider "VM Sprawl".
>> You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple.
>>
>> (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization
>>
>> Thanks all,
>> I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not
>> sure.  I am waiting on specs.
>> I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>> Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM
>> Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
>> Conversation: A question about Virtualization
>> Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization
>>
>> Hey David.
>>
>> My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip
>> and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free
>> version to use:
>>
>> VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
>> Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
>> Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
>> Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)
>>
>> 
>>
>> After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of
>> investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large
>> servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention
>> extra networking and shared storage.
>>
>>
>> --Matt Ross
>> Ephrata School District
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: itli...@imcu.com
>> [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
>> 08:28:21 -0800
>> Subject: A question about Virtualization
>>
>>
>> > I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>> >
>> > I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>> >
>> > What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>> >
>> > A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>> >
>> > I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>> >
>> > Please don't flame me to badly.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>> >
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RE: A question about Virtualization

[David Mazzaccaro]

Yes, 10 currently.  

Good to know I should be able to scale to 120. 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

 

3 hosts for 10 servers?!?!?!!?!?!  I have 3 hosts and I run 120 servers
on them  SAN switches?  Kool-aid taste good?

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:40 AM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

LOL

I was right there with you at the beginning of 2012.

We just signed off on FINALLY getting VMware and a SAN in here.  Should
be happening in the next weeks.

We are 100% physical right now (10 servers).

Getting 3 hosts, a SAN, 2 SAN switches, and a bunch of software (VMWare
Essentials Plus).

Over $200k for everything (P2V servers, upgrade AD to 2008, migrate to
Exchange 2010, migrate to Citrix XenApp 6.5) 

 

Without more details on what you currently have, hard to say what you
will need.

But this should give you an idea of what we are about to go through.

 

Also, if you search the archives here on specifically (4/3/2012,
4/16/2012, and 7/17/2012) I started a few threads voicing my concerns
and looking for answers just like you.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: A question about Virtualization

 

I have no experience with Virtualized anything.

I have read VMware is better than Citrix.

What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?

A Blade server with a SAN back end?

I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.

Please don't flame me to badly.

Thanks

David

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RE: A question about Virtualization

[Chinnery, Paul]

Boy, you've got that right.  About 18 months ago, we started with about 30 
servers on 5 hosts.  It's now up to around 60 servers and just last week we 
doubled the memory in the hosts.  I plan to budget for a new host next year.

-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

Good luck!
Also consider "VM Sprawl". 
You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple.

(testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...)





-Original Message-
From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

Thanks all,
I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not sure.  I 
am waiting on specs.
I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Posted At: Tuesday, 
November 6, 2012 11:57 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: A question about Virtualization
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Hey David.

My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and 
create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use:

VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)



After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment 
you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, 
with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared 
storage.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
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[mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
08:28:21 -0800
Subject: A question about Virtualization


> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
> 
> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
> 
> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
> 
> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
> 
> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
> 
> Please don't flame me to badly.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> 
> 
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> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Jonathan Link]

Thinly provisioning servers, too.
In that most of my servers now host a single app or role.  I went from 3
physical to 10 virtual, but I planned it out.


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> Good luck!
> Also consider "VM Sprawl".
> You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple.
>
> (testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...)
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization
>
> Thanks all,
> I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not
> sure.  I am waiting on specs.
> I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM
> Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
> Conversation: A question about Virtualization
> Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization
>
> Hey David.
>
> My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip
> and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free
> version to use:
>
> VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
> Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
> Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
> Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)
>
> 
>
> After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of
> investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large
> servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention
> extra networking and shared storage.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: itli...@imcu.com
> [mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
> 08:28:21 -0800
> Subject: A question about Virtualization
>
>
> > I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
> >
> > I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
> >
> > What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
> >
> > A Blade server with a SAN back end?
> >
> > I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
> >
> > Please don't flame me to badly.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> >
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> >
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RE: A question about Virtualization

[John Cook]

It's like butter!

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Partnership For Strong Families
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Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

No client at all? Just a shortcut to an executable? Sounds interesting.
---Blackberried

From: John Cook mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:06:16 +
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

Thinapp is easy peasy. Start with a reference machine, run the Thinapp wizard, 
share out the package it creates. First run it will create any local folders 
necessary but after that it's just a matter of clicking on the exe from the 
package which we generally give them a shortcut to.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Rankin 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]<mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I 
find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My 
other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great 
at all.

One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through 
Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need 
the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V 
client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right 
through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.

App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their 
Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the 
kind of deployments I do.

I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire 
"virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of 
profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based 
around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the 
more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level.

Cheers,


JR
On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires 
no local client to run packages so IMHO it's a cleaner distribution package.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Server virtualization?
Desktop virtualization?
Application virtualization?
Profile/user virtualization?

All different parts of the virtualization tree.

If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players
Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
Profile/user - AppSense
On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com<mailto:itli...@imcu.com> 
mailto:itli...@imcu.com>> wrote:
I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
A Blade server with a SAN back end?
I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
Please don't flame me to badly.
Thanks
David

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RE: A question about Virtualization

[David Mazzaccaro]

Good luck!
Also consider "VM Sprawl". 
You may have 6 servers now, but that could very easily double or triple.

(testing, backup, upgrades, redundancy, load balancing, etc...)





-Original Message-
From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: A question about Virtualization

Thanks all,
I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not
sure.  I am waiting on specs.
I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: A question about Virtualization
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Hey David.

My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip
and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free
version to use:

VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)



After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of
investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large
servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention
extra networking and shared storage.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: itli...@imcu.com
[mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
08:28:21 -0800
Subject: A question about Virtualization


> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
> 
> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
> 
> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
> 
> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
> 
> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
> 
> Please don't flame me to badly.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Rankin, James R]

No client at all? Just a shortcut to an executable? Sounds interesting.

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: John Cook 
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:06:16 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: A question about 
Virtualization

Thinapp is easy peasy. Start with a reference machine, run the Thinapp wizard, 
share out the package it creates. First run it will create any local folders 
necessary but after that it's just a matter of clicking on the exe from the 
package which we generally give them a shortcut to.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I 
find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My 
other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great 
at all.

One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through 
Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need 
the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V 
client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right 
through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.

App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their 
Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the 
kind of deployments I do.

I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire 
"virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of 
profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based 
around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the 
more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level.

Cheers,


JR
On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires 
no local client to run packages so IMHO it's a cleaner distribution package.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Server virtualization?
Desktop virtualization?
Application virtualization?
Profile/user virtualization?

All different parts of the virtualization tree.

If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players
Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
Profile/user - AppSense

On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com<mailto:itli...@imcu.com> 
mailto:itli...@imcu.com>> wrote:
I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
A Blade server with a SAN back end?
I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
Please don't flame me to badly.
Thanks
David

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RE: A question about Virtualization

[itli...@imcu.com]

Thanks all,
I know I will have 6 servers to virtualize.  Outside of that I am not
sure.  I am waiting on specs.
I will look through archives and trying and get more info going forward.


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Posted At: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:57 AM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: A question about Virtualization
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Hey David.

My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip
and create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free
version to use:

VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)



After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of
investment you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large
servers to host VMs, with lots of processors/memory, not to mention
extra networking and shared storage.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
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Subject: A question about Virtualization


> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
> 
> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
> 
> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
> 
> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
> 
> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
> 
> Please don't flame me to badly.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> 
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RE: A question about Virtualization

[John Cook]

Thinapp is easy peasy. Start with a reference machine, run the Thinapp wizard, 
share out the package it creates. First run it will create any local folders 
necessary but after that it's just a matter of clicking on the exe from the 
package which we generally give them a shortcut to.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff up? I 
find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used for it. My 
other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and that ain't great 
at all.

One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through 
Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even need 
the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the App-V 
client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V stuff right 
through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.

App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their 
Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the 
kind of deployments I do.

I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire 
"virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of 
profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution based 
around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather than the 
more limited options available on a server or desktop virtualization level.

Cheers,


JR
On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp requires 
no local client to run packages so IMHO it's a cleaner distribution package.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A question about Virtualization

Server virtualization?
Desktop virtualization?
Application virtualization?
Profile/user virtualization?

All different parts of the virtualization tree.

If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest players
Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
Profile/user - AppSense

On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com<mailto:itli...@imcu.com> 
mailto:itli...@imcu.com>> wrote:
I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
A Blade server with a SAN back end?
I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
Please don't flame me to badly.
Thanks
David

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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: A question about Virtualization

[David Mazzaccaro]

Here's some things I learned:

 

* The host servers will have several NICS.

They will connect to the new switches (2 for redundancy), and the 2 new
switches connect the SAN.

The host servers also connect to your LAN via their other NICs, but you
have to think of the SAN as its own mini environment.

 

* IOPS (in/out per second) are critically important.  

Dell has a free tool (DPACK) that you can download and run over a few
days that will give you an idea of your IOPS, storage, CPU, RAM,
throughput, RW ratio, etc...  NetApp will likely charge for a similar
report.

Just knowing your IOPS will help greatly in making sure you buy an
adequate SAN.

For the SAN, generally these calculations are used:

15k drive ~175 IOPS per spindle

10k drive ~150 IOPS per spindle

 

* Don't forget about your backups.  

They will very likely change from what you are doing now.

 

* Training!

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: A question about Virtualization

 

I have no experience with Virtualized anything.

I have read VMware is better than Citrix.

What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?

A Blade server with a SAN back end?

I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.

Please don't flame me to badly.

Thanks

David

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: A question about Virtualization

[James Rankin]

I haven't done much ThinApp, to be fair. How easy is it to package stuff
up? I find App-V dead easy, but then again it was the first thing I used
for it. My other main packaging experience was with Citrix Streaming, and
that ain't great at all.

One thing I will say for App-V is that it's dead easy to deliver it through
Citrix if you've got that kind of layered infrastructure. You don't even
need the App-V streaming conduit - you just point a published app to the
App-V client and add the right switches, and you can deliver the App-V
stuff right through the Citrix plugins like an normal installed app.

App-V also integrates nicely with AppSense and particularly their
Personalization Server piece, which makes it another popular choice for the
kind of deployments I do.

I was just wondering how far the OP is wanting to take their entire
"virtualization" strategy? Certainly once you get into the deeper parts of
profile and application virtualization you can put together a solution
based around a vast amount of different combinations of technologies rather
than the more limited options available on a server or desktop
virtualization level.

Cheers,


JR

On 6 November 2012 16:39, John Cook  wrote:

>  I mostly agree with James with the exception of App-V, VMWare Thinapp
> requires no local client to run packages so IMHO it’s a cleaner
> distribution package.
>
>
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *Network Operations Manager*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: A question about Virtualization
>
>
>
> Server virtualization?
> Desktop virtualization?
> Application virtualization?
> Profile/user virtualization?
>
> All different parts of the virtualization tree.
>
> If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest
> players
> Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
> Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
> Profile/user - AppSense
>
>
>  On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:
>
> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>
> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>
> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>
> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>
> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>
> Please don’t flame me to badly.
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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Re: A question about Virtualization

[Matthew W. Ross]

Hey David.

My recommendation: Start small. Find a desktop with a VM enabled chip and 
create a little VM server. All of the major players have a free version to use:

VMWare: ESXi (The industry standard)
Microsot: Hyper-V Server (Quickly gaining popularity)
Citrix: XenServer (Best for Desktop Virtualization, I hear.)
Linux: ProxMox VE (Web-based VM, but no Desktop Virtualization option)



After you get your feet wet, you will then start to see what kind of investment 
you are in for. You'll have to start thinking of large servers to host VMs, 
with lots of processors/memory, not to mention extra networking and shared 
storage.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: itli...@imcu.com
[mailto:itli...@imcu.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 06 Nov 2012
08:28:21 -0800
Subject: A question about Virtualization


> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
> 
> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
> 
> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
> 
> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
> 
> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
> 
> Please don't flame me to badly.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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RE: A question about Virtualization

[David Mazzaccaro]

LOL

I was right there with you at the beginning of 2012.

We just signed off on FINALLY getting VMware and a SAN in here.  Should
be happening in the next weeks.

We are 100% physical right now (10 servers).

Getting 3 hosts, a SAN, 2 SAN switches, and a bunch of software (VMWare
Essentials Plus).

Over $200k for everything (P2V servers, upgrade AD to 2008, migrate to
Exchange 2010, migrate to Citrix XenApp 6.5) 

 

Without more details on what you currently have, hard to say what you
will need.

But this should give you an idea of what we are about to go through.

 

Also, if you search the archives here on specifically (4/3/2012,
4/16/2012, and 7/17/2012) I started a few threads voicing my concerns
and looking for answers just like you.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: itli...@imcu.com [mailto:itli...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: A question about Virtualization

 

I have no experience with Virtualized anything.

I have read VMware is better than Citrix.

What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?

A Blade server with a SAN back end?

I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.

Please don't flame me to badly.

Thanks

David

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: A question about Virtualization

[James Rankin]

Server virtualization?
Desktop virtualization?
Application virtualization?
Profile/user virtualization?

All different parts of the virtualization tree.

If you are talking server, VMWare and Microsoft are probably the biggest
players
Desktops - I wouldn't look any further than Citrix
Application - Microsoft App-V is the best IMHO
Profile/user - AppSense



On 6 November 2012 16:28, itli...@imcu.com  wrote:

> I have no experience with Virtualized anything.
>
> I have read VMware is better than Citrix.
>
> What kind of hardware do I put all of this on?
>
> A Blade server with a SAN back end?
>
> I really have no opinions or experience on any of this.
>
> Please don’t flame me to badly.
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk

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~   ~

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