Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
I don't know about that. I would have thought that would only affect the machine AFTER it was done with the conversion, not the conversion. I ended up rebuilding the machine from scratch as a virtual machine which took a lot less time than the conversion process was taking. I was so disgusted with VMware at that point that I made them Virtual Server machines. In the long run that saved me a lot of time when we got our 2008 server with Hyper-V. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has – it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline – it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. *Dave Lum* - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 *..*remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside*** - JFK*** *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
I guess I should have looked further in the responses as that might be a good way to do things. I wonder if it will work with Hyper-V as well? Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about that. I would have thought that would only affect the machine AFTER it was done with the conversion, not the conversion. I ended up rebuilding the machine from scratch as a virtual machine which took a lot less time than the conversion process was taking. I was so disgusted with VMware at that point that I made them Virtual Server machines. In the long run that saved me a lot of time when we got our 2008 server with Hyper-V. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has – it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline – it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. *Dave Lum* - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 *..*remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside*** - JFK*** *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
If you are going to Hyper-V, then check out SCVMM 2008 when it ships. That will do P2V conversion for Windows Server 2003 boxes. SCVMM 2007 can already do P2V (to Virtual Server 2005) for Windows 2003 and Windows 2000 boxes. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare I guess I should have looked further in the responses as that might be a good way to do things. I wonder if it will work with Hyper-V as well? Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about that. I would have thought that would only affect the machine AFTER it was done with the conversion, not the conversion. I ended up rebuilding the machine from scratch as a virtual machine which took a lot less time than the conversion process was taking. I was so disgusted with VMware at that point that I made them Virtual Server machines. In the long run that saved me a lot of time when we got our 2008 server with Hyper-V. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
I am still looking at SCE so it will be awhile before I can go there, if ever. I had a horrible time just getting a server in house that would do Virtualization correctly. I am now trying to get SCE as the price is just too good to pass up but I need to get some time to get up the demo I downloaded. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going to Hyper-V, then check out SCVMM 2008 when it ships. That will do P2V conversion for Windows Server 2003 boxes. SCVMM 2007 can already do P2V (to Virtual Server 2005) for Windows 2003 and Windows 2000 boxes. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 July 2008 7:12 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare I guess I should have looked further in the responses as that might be a good way to do things. I wonder if it will work with Hyper-V as well? Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about that. I would have thought that would only affect the machine AFTER it was done with the conversion, not the conversion. I ended up rebuilding the machine from scratch as a virtual machine which took a lot less time than the conversion process was taking. I was so disgusted with VMware at that point that I made them Virtual Server machines. In the long run that saved me a lot of time when we got our 2008 server with Hyper-V. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has – it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline – it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. *Dave Lum* - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 *..*remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside*** - JFK* *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
I maintain about 200 servers in an ESX development environment. When I did the P2V, I dropped the databases to a network share, and re-attached them after the conversion. Klint Jon Harris wrote: I don't know about that. I would have thought that would only affect the machine AFTER it was done with the conversion, not the conversion. I ended up rebuilding the machine from scratch as a virtual machine which took a lot less time than the conversion process was taking. I was so disgusted with VMware at that point that I made them Virtual Server machines. In the long run that saved me a lot of time when we got our 2008 server with Hyper-V. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has – it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline – it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. */Dave Lum/* - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 /../remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside/// - JFK/// *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has – it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline – it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. *Dave Lum* - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 *..*remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside*** - JFK*** *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has – it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline – it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. *Dave Lum* - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 *..*remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside*** - JFK*** *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Sam, Try this: http://www.rtfm-ed.co.uk/?page_id=174 I use this so that I may use native win/nix utils for dumping the disk off a physical machine very quickly into the vm, then I boot off a cd and run this. Easy and way faster to convert then the vmware tool. I have many issues with that tool from bad conversions to IO issues when dumping the data into the vm, I gave up on it. I have an SQL coming up asap but I presume it will work just fine as I will ghost/clonezilla the machine which I know works (Its been restored that way already before). jlc From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
Second that. Used it several times and it beats the vmware converter for me. Jon Lewis From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Sam, Try this: http://www.rtfm-ed.co.uk/?page_id=174 I use this so that I may use native win/nix utils for dumping the disk off a physical machine very quickly into the vm, then I boot off a cd and run this. Easy and way faster to convert then the vmware tool. I have many issues with that tool from bad conversions to IO issues when dumping the data into the vm, I gave up on it. I have an SQL coming up asap but I presume it will work just fine as I will ghost/clonezilla the machine which I know works (Its been restored that way already before). jlc From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare I think I recall reading once that conversion can mess with the whitespace in databases (or something like that...). I am curious, as I have a SQL migration coming up. I think I also recall reading that you shouldn't resize any drives that the SQL are on. And possibly doing a backup/restore of the DBs after migration. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Wow, thanks for sharing. I actually just came accross that today while I was googling around for neato VI pluggins. I will deffidently bookmark and try it! Sam From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare During my attempts with SQL all SQL services were set to disabled and machine restarted. I also tried doing a cold boot but nothing seemed to help. Same thing with the IISv6 with FTP. I did not try removing all the IP's from these machines as I had enough issues getting everything working together in the first place. Jon On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good note. Anything that is running any services like that should be set to run in Windows Diagnostics Mode via MSCONFIG, or at least manually stop all non-default services. Or, use the Cold Boot CD option in VMware convertor. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare It can't or didn't do all machines. I know I had a lot of issues trying to use it with SQL being on the machine. I also had issues with IISv6/FTP with multiple sites as well. Jon On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
do you have a link for the Dell or HP deal? Thanks --Tigran On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's free. But to get the Boot disk to do 'Cold' migrations, you need to Enterprise version. The ent version also allows you to perform simultaneous conversions at a time, with the free version, you can only do one at a time. Not sure if the Ent convertor comes with ESX, but I know it comes with Virtual Center. Also, don't wait for ESXi to be free. It's only $67 when ordered on a Dell server. About the same for an HP server. Sam From: Liu, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare http://www.vmware.com/download/p2v/ is this it? Not free , is it? From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has – it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline – it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
Yeah, my receipts :) For Dell, just go to their site and configure a PE 2950. It's not a 'Deal', it's their standard pricing. I have news articles http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/14/dell-absorb-price -esx3i-hyper http://www.virtualization.info/2008/05/dell-offers-vmware-esxi-at-99-cit rix.html Ok, it's actually $99. But we all know Dell never sells anything at retail price. -Original Message- From: Tigran K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Colidation via VMWare do you have a link for the Dell or HP deal? Thanks --Tigran On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's free. But to get the Boot disk to do 'Cold' migrations, you need to Enterprise version. The ent version also allows you to perform simultaneous conversions at a time, with the free version, you can only do one at a time. Not sure if the Ent convertor comes with ESX, but I know it comes with Virtual Center. Also, don't wait for ESXi to be free. It's only $67 when ordered on a Dell server. About the same for an HP server. Sam From: Liu, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare http://www.vmware.com/download/p2v/ is this it? Not free , is it? From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
http://www.vmware.com/download/p2v/ is this it? Not free , is it? From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
And if you're really good, you'll bring up the VM that you just created via P2V while the physical one is still up...DOH! Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Roger, VMWare converter (current build is 3.0.3-89816) is free for download and use. The free version will only P2V one server at a time, the paid enterprise flavor will do several at once from the VIC. FWIW, when I did my consolidation last year, I used the free tool and things went fine... Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
It's free. But to get the Boot disk to do 'Cold' migrations, you need to Enterprise version. The ent version also allows you to perform simultaneous conversions at a time, with the free version, you can only do one at a time. Not sure if the Ent convertor comes with ESX, but I know it comes with Virtual Center. Also, don't wait for ESXi to be free. It's only $67 when ordered on a Dell server. About the same for an HP server. Sam From: Liu, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare http://www.vmware.com/download/p2v/ is this it? Not free , is it? From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Yes there is a P2V tool that VMWare has - it lets you make a P2V image w/out taking the target system offline - it loads a liitle app then takes a snapshot, it's very slick! IIRC it comes with ESX, but I might be mistaken. Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Server Colidation via VMWare
Nice redundancy ;) Lol! From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare And if you're really good, you'll bring up the VM that you just created via P2V while the physical one is still up...DOH! Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Roger, VMWare converter (current build is 3.0.3-89816) is free for download and use. The free version will only P2V one server at a time, the paid enterprise flavor will do several at once from the VIC. FWIW, when I did my consolidation last year, I used the free tool and things went fine... Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare's ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we're thinking they're ideal candidates for VM's if there's an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Server Colidation via VMWare
I as well just used the free converter and it went quite smoothly. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families From: Andy Shook To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Fri Jul 25 11:50:00 2008 Subject: RE: Server Colidation via VMWare Roger, VMWare converter (current build is 3.0.3-89816) is free for download and use. The free version will only P2V one server at a time, the paid enterprise flavor will do several at once from the VIC. FWIW, when I did my consolidation last year, I used the free tool and things went fine… Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Colidation via VMWare We want to take a closer look at server consolidation using VMWare’s ESX products, especially in light of the recent announcement making the product available free. We have several servers on old hardware that would be nearly impossible to rebuild so we’re thinking they’re ideal candidates for VM’s if there’s an automated process to migrate P2V. Is such a tool available, and at low-cost? Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
