RE: IE 8 today
If you ask me not having IE7 certified for those two enterprise application doesn't speak highly of the company who created those enterprise apps. IE7 isn't exactly new nor in minority use. Unless of course it's something that runs primarily on Mac's or similar. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with their web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
That's true, but I also have had to keep certain members of our accounting department on IE6 because a couple of bank web sites they need to use blow up with IE7, and the bank's tech support states that IE7 is not supported. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today If you ask me not having IE7 certified for those two enterprise application doesn't speak highly of the company who created those enterprise apps. IE7 isn't exactly new nor in minority use. Unless of course it's something that runs primarily on Mac's or similar. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with their web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
A bank that doesn't support IE7 yet? Time for a new bank. From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today That's true, but I also have had to keep certain members of our accounting department on IE6 because a couple of bank web sites they need to use blow up with IE7, and the bank's tech support states that IE7 is not supported. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today If you ask me not having IE7 certified for those two enterprise application doesn't speak highly of the company who created those enterprise apps. IE7 isn't exactly new nor in minority use. Unless of course it's something that runs primarily on Mac's or similar. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with their web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Confidentiality Notice: ** This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint
Re: IE 8 today
I was about to say the same thing... but try it with IE8 first *before* telling 'em to get a new bank. Kennedy, Jim wrote: A bank that doesn’t support IE7 yet? Time for a new bank. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
At the very least the accountants should be calling their contacts at the banks, their account managers or loan officers and raising a stink. No IT department, mine included, should force customers to use something that is now two versions ago -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I was about to say the same thing... but try it with IE8 first *before* telling 'em to get a new bank. Kennedy, Jim wrote: A bank that doesn't support IE7 yet? Time for a new bank. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
Kronos and Siebeland if they've certified them, they haven't bothered telling us about it. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:36 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: If you ask me not having IE7 certified for those two enterprise application doesn’t speak highly of the company who created those enterprise apps. IE7 isn’t exactly new nor in minority use. Unless of course it’s something that runs primarily on Mac’s or similar. *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with their web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from: Haslet TX United States. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Firefox Community Edition is what we deploy here. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Malcolm Reitz malcolm.re...@live.comwrote: I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it isn’t an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Well, I've been unhappy for some time with the slowness of IE7 on my 2.8GHtz 2GByte Windows XP machine, so I installed Firefox and was impressed. Well, yesterday I downloaded and installed IE8 and WOW is all I can say. I'm loving IE8, it's even faster than Firefox 3. On the other hand, I've been using IE7 on my personal laptop at home, a 1.6 GHtz with 1.2 GBytes and it was flying. No problems at all. I installed IE8 and it's wortking fine, though I don't really see any real increase in speed. I'll play for a while before I recommend IE8 at work. Murray From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today Firefox Community Edition is what we deploy here. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Malcolm Reitz malcolm.re...@live.com wrote: I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it isn't an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying You have disabled Add-on message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don't wake us up. -Z.V. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.orgmailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.orghttp://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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dispiclable ??? My dictionary is not smart enough for this. Leif Wahlberg Admin by default From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 21:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCAR 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org/ www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to AnimalsR (ASPCAR) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Agreed, but you COULD disable all that with a reg setting. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCAR 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org/ www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to AnimalsR (ASPCAR) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
I'm sure he meant: despicable...honest mistake after a long day at work. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Leif Wahlberg lef...@gmail.com wrote: dispiclable ??? My dictionary is not smart enough for this. Leif Wahlberg Admin by default *From:* richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 21:00 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group *ASPCA®* 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
Correct on both counts - and it was still early in said day! -- Richard Rob Bonfiglio robbonfig...@gmail.com wrote on 03/19/2009 08:34:57 AM: I'm sure he meant: despicable...honest mistake after a long day at work. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Leif Wahlberg lef...@gmail.com wrote: dispiclable ??? My dictionary is not smart enough for this. Leif Wahlberg Admin by default From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 21:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. From: Vue, Za [mailto:z...@emory.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying You have disabled Add-on message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don't wake us up. -Z.V. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCAR 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org/ www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to AnimalsR (ASPCAR) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 _ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Not easy to get for us with English as a third language. Leif From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 21:35 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I'm sure he meant: despicable...honest mistake after a long day at work. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Leif Wahlberg lef...@gmail.com wrote: dispiclable ??? My dictionary is not smart enough for this. Leif Wahlberg Admin by default From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 21:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCAR 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org/ www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to AnimalsR (ASPCAR) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Hope you never get this issue... No browser is allowed to download anything - even if you are running as a domain admin. As PDF files need to be downloaded and then opened by the add-in, this means they cannot be read. It also hoses MS Update as those are files downloaded and installed. It does not matter what browser you are using. All (IE7, FF, Chrome, and Opera) will give an error box stating that the security settings forbid downloading from that site (even your own internal web servers). So far, the only fix we've found is to get a copy of the IE7 installer on portable media and to re-install it on the afflicted machine. (One can install it from a network share, provided no browser is used to access the share.) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 09:08:11 AM: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. From: Vue, Za [mailto:z...@emory.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying ?You have disabled Add- on? message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don?t wake us up. -Z.V. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
That sounds like what I see if IE7 enhanced security settings are enabled, which is changed via add/remove of all places... David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Hope you never get this issue... No browser is allowed to download anything - even if you are running as a domain admin. As PDF files need to be downloaded and then opened by the add-in, this means they cannot be read. It also hoses MS Update as those are files downloaded and installed. It does not matter what browser you are using. All (IE7, FF, Chrome, and Opera) will give an error box stating that the security settings forbid downloading from that site (even your own internal web servers). So far, the only fix we've found is to get a copy of the IE7 installer on portable media and to re-install it on the afflicted machine. (One can install it from a network share, provided no browser is used to access the share.) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.orghttp://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 09:08:11 AM: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. From: Vue, Za [mailto:z...@emory.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying You have disabled Add- on message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don't wake us up. -Z.V. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments
RE: IE 8 today
Hmmm... We never thought to look there (yes, we know how it is done). The screwy thing is, the problem occurs suddenly on machines which had never had apparent problems. Does this enhanced security block all browers and not just IE? That's almost crossing the line into malware... -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® David Lum david@nwea.org wrote on 03/19/2009 09:43:03 AM: That sounds like what I see if IE7 ?enhanced security settings are enabled?, which is changed via add/remove of all places? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Hope you never get this issue... No browser is allowed to download anything - even if you are running as a domain admin. As PDF files need to be downloaded and then opened by the add-in, this means they cannot be read. It also hoses MS Update as those are files downloaded and installed. It does not matter what browser you are using. All (IE7, FF, Chrome, and Opera) will give an error box stating that the security settings forbid downloading from that site (even your own internal web servers). So far, the only fix we've found is to get a copy of the IE7 installer on portable media and to re-install it on the afflicted machine. (One can install it from a network share, provided no browser is used to access the share.) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 09:08:11 AM: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. From: Vue, Za [mailto:z...@emory.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying ?You have disabled Add- on? message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don?t wake us up. -Z.V. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI
Re: IE 8 today
And for managed environments the other options are what exactly? Firefox is not an option in many managed environments due to the lack of any sort of central configuration management. Yes, I'm aware of the Frontmotion stuff, but they do several things wrong: a) they bundle third plugins (flash, shockwave, etc) in their install package b) the group policy add-ins are incomplete at best. They're incomplete for a reason; there are many, many config options that, when set through group policy, are ignored. I'm specifically speaking of proxy settings here. Vue, Za wrote: Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying “You have disabled Add-on” message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don’t wake us up. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
Despicable? Wow... I cant imagine how you came to that comclusion. ;-) -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Rob Bonfiglio robbonfig...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure he meant: despicable...honest mistake after a long day at work. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Leif Wahlberg lef...@gmail.com wrote: dispiclable ??? My dictionary is not smart enough for this. Leif Wahlberg Admin by default *From:* richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 21:00 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group *ASPCA®* 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals®(ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote: And for managed environments the other options are what exactly? You can have Firefox read additional config files from a network location. You can force it to do so. You can force config options in a config file, or just let them be defaults. It's not integrated with Group Policy, 'tis true, but on the other hand, this method works even if you've got a multi-platform environment. You can standard on one browser, with the same set of managed corporate config files, for Windows, Mac, and Linux. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Despicable? Wow... I cant imagine how you came to that comclusion. Sufferin' succotash! ;-) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10190206-83.html It's patched faster, which might validate the in practice part of that statement. How do you manage patching Firefox in the enterprise? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: Good point, unlikely if affects all browsers but depending on how that security is implemented under the hood ... I know Firefox 3.x introduced a feature where it honors certain settings from the MSIE Internet Options control panel, including the Allow file downloads setting. Not everybody was thrilled with this; I think the plan was to create an about:config setting to cause Firefox to go back to ignoring MSIE settings. I think I *might* have read in the bug report that Opera also honors these settings, but that might be a bogus memory on my part. (I gotta get myself an ECC brain.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
I make my own MSI installers. I don't like the Frontmotion stuff due to the bundling of third party plugins. David Lum wrote: How do you manage patching Firefox in the enterprise? -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
Ben Scott wrote: You can have Firefox read additional config files from a network location. You can force it to do so. You can force config options in a config file, or just let them be defaults. Except that makes the Firefox config all or nothing, and opposite of what management has mandated I need to do (students get a web proxy for content filtering that they can't turn off, staff and faculty do not). -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
ECC brain, I haven't heard that one before.+1!! -Dave -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: Good point, unlikely if affects all browsers but depending on how that security is implemented under the hood ... I know Firefox 3.x introduced a feature where it honors certain settings from the MSIE Internet Options control panel, including the Allow file downloads setting. Not everybody was thrilled with this; I think the plan was to create an about:config setting to cause Firefox to go back to ignoring MSIE settings. I think I *might* have read in the bug report that Opera also honors these settings, but that might be a bogus memory on my part. (I gotta get myself an ECC brain.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote: Except that makes the Firefox config all or nothing, and opposite of what management has mandated I need to do (students get a web proxy for content filtering that they can't turn off, staff and faculty do not). Firefox config files are just JavaScript, and you're allowed to pull environment variables from the OS. I think you can put simple logic in the config file to determine things like that. Haven't done this myself. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Nope.. never had that issue. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Hope you never get this issue... No browser is allowed to download anything - even if you are running as a domain admin. As PDF files need to be downloaded and then opened by the add-in, this means they cannot be read. It also hoses MS Update as those are files downloaded and installed. It does not matter what browser you are using. All (IE7, FF, Chrome, and Opera) will give an error box stating that the security settings forbid downloading from that site (even your own internal web servers). So far, the only fix we've found is to get a copy of the IE7 installer on portable media and to re-install it on the afflicted machine. (One can install it from a network share, provided no browser is used to access the share.) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCAR 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org/ www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to AnimalsR (ASPCAR) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 09:08:11 AM: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. From: Vue, Za [mailto:z...@emory.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying You have disabled Add- on message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don't wake us up. -Z.V. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today The question is, will one have to jump through a bunch of hoops before they can browse to their first page? That alone made IE7 rather dispiclable! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCAR 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to AnimalsR (ASPCAR) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 07:44:32 AM: FYI http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2318 This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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OK, conference call with New Yorkers is over, so in my dying moments I'll toss in a couple of comments... 1. Lots of time, energy, bandwidth, etc have been spent concerning IE vx FF as regards to which is more secure. Currently, I believe the consensus is that Safari is the worst. 2. I agree with another post, that is, right - a domain admin should not be downloading stuff. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote on 03/19/2009 11:26:34 AM: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
And their updates are always very late... -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today And for managed environments the other options are what exactly? Firefox is not an option in many managed environments due to the lack of any sort of central configuration management. Yes, I'm aware of the Frontmotion stuff, but they do several things wrong: a) they bundle third plugins (flash, shockwave, etc) in their install package b) the group policy add-ins are incomplete at best. They're incomplete for a reason; there are many, many config options that, when set through group policy, are ignored. I'm specifically speaking of proxy settings here. Vue, Za wrote: Another pointless MS browsers. Already annoyed the heck out of people. HTF do you get rid of the annoying You have disabled Add-on message on top when there is no disabled add-on? MS needs to dig itself out of the ActiveX hole it dug and partner with Mozilla or Mac and incorporate their browsers into Windows 7. Until then don't wake us up. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
Ben Scott wrote: Firefox config files are just JavaScript, and you're allowed to pull environment variables from the OS. I think you can put simple logic in the config file to determine things like that. Haven't done this myself. It's not the logic that's the problem, it's: a) I have to learn enough JS to do it b) I need to have the JS query a database of some kind to figure out what class the user is, therefore I need to learn whatever JS API Firefox has available for such things - if it exists - and hope it's sufficiently documented c) That I even need to go through that much trouble to begin with. We're talking about a management scheme that hasn't changed since Netscape 4. This isn't 1995 and these are't single-user Windows 95 machines! -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. When I say more secure in practice, I mean just that, not that Firefox is immune to vulnerabilities. Every major browser (and some minor ones) have had vulnerabilities. I just think Firefox is more secure out of the box, and easier to make still more secure. For example, since Firefox 1.x, I've long set all the options that prevent JavaScript from controlling window size, position, UI trim, etc. This means browser windows always look like browser windows, with scroll bars and status bars. They can't pretend to be OS windows. It also means JavaScript can't take over my right-click content menu. It's my computer, not the web author's. More recently, NoScript makes it even easier to prevent JavaScript from taking over my computer. I've seem the equivalent of a JavaScript fork bomb -- it just opened endless new windows. Disguised as a benign link in a web forum prank, this caused the entire Windows Explorer shell to crash with MSIE 6 for some people. In Firefox, it just showed me an empty page, and I wasn't about to blindly enable JavaScript at that point. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote:
a) I have to learn enough JS to do it
Well, I've already had to do that to do things like configure our
proxy auto-configure script, which MSIE uses as well.
b) I need to have the JS query a database of some kind ...
I know I've seen mention of LDAP. More simply, you could just look
at an environment variable. For example:
var foo = getenv(GROUP);
if (foo == students) {
lockPref (proxy.http, whatever.example.com);
} else {
...
}
... hope it's sufficiently documented
Yah. I won't disagree that this stuff isn't as well documented as
it could be. A lot of stuff is scattered about blogs and web forums
and archives of lists like this one.
c) That I even need to go through that much trouble to begin with.
Well, it has to be done *somehow*. Group Policy didn't magically do
anything for my network; I had to go through the trouble of learning,
planning, configuring, documenting, and managing it. In particular,
management of Group Policy is kind of a heavyweight problem. With
plain old text files, I can use comments in the files, stick the files
in RCS, and be done. So there's advantages and disadvantages to both
approaches.
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying “firefox is fast with FastFox installed” From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today “I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured.” Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying “firefox is fast with FastFox installed” From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today “I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured.” Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... :) Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.commailto:sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.commailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
I can make IE7 crash on fewer tabs, but it depends on the web sites open. As I see it, it has an issue with AJAX heavy sites. I'm not a web developer, so I could be misreading the issue. I'm not familiar with IE7Pro. I'm always open to re-evaluations. If you're using it, I'll take it would be worth my time to check it out as well. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote: Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying “firefox is fast with FastFox installed” From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today “I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured.” Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
If you're sticking with IE7 then IE7Pro (or Maxthon) is essential for full featured tabbed browsing. TBD on whether IE7Pro is really needed for tabbed browsing enhancement in IE8. Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can make IE7 crash on fewer tabs, but it depends on the web sites open. As I see it, it has an issue with AJAX heavy sites. I'm not a web developer, so I could be misreading the issue. I'm not familiar with IE7Pro. I'm always open to re-evaluations. If you're using it, I'll take it would be worth my time to check it out as well. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote: Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote: But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. I currently have 54 tabs open; I've restarted Firefox recently. I've had over 100 enough times that it's no longer remarkable. I use a Firefox extension called Tree Style Tab which lets me organize my browsing hierarchically. When I'm managing multiple projects, each with multiple issues, each issue with multiple avenues of research, I find it's essential for keeping all the information straight. Check out the screenshots. Going back to a single layer of tabs on other computers seems *sooo* 2003 (or 2007 if you're an MSIE fan. ;-) ). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890 I also use an add-on called Session Manager to save/restore the state from the above. Protects it during the occasional Firefox crashes (Java seems to cause me issues, for some reason), Windows Update reboots, etc. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2324 -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it isn't an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
Get the latest version of IE7Pro (2.4.5, I believe) and in the IE7Pro general options, check the box for Show Wider IE7Pro icon display area. -Malcolm From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
TVK just likes plugins... Shook From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it isn't an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
OK, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the option to turn on tab recovery. Does it only work if IE8 crashes? I want to close IE8 with a bunch of open tabs and have them all restored when it re-opens. Also no enhancements for when tabs are created or when they are re-used. So looks like we still need IE7Pro. And the reg hack to put the menu bar at the top no longer works. I even tried both value names: ITBar7Position=dword:0001 ITBar8Position=dword:0001 without any change. How is it that these features get removed - it takes effort to remove a feature. And the Links bar has been renamed to Favorites bar and now it is wedded to the Add to favorites button. Grrr I want my Links bar separate from any buttons. Carl From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: IE 8 today
NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY_3h7hm8Vo -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: TVK just likes plugins… Shook *From:* Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:23 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: IE 8 today I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it isn’t an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
I'm with you on the locked Links bar - I always preferred to have it attached to my Menu Bar, but can't. I think I'm liking FF better every day. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the option to turn on tab recovery. Does it only work if IE8 crashes? I want to close IE8 with a bunch of open tabs and have them all restored when it re-opens. Also no enhancements for when tabs are created or when they are re-used. So looks like we still need IE7Pro. And the reg hack to put the menu bar at the top no longer works. I even tried both value names: ITBar7Position=dword:0001 ITBar8Position=dword:0001 without any change. How is it that these features get removed - it takes effort to remove a feature. And the Links bar has been renamed to Favorites bar and now it is wedded to the Add to favorites button. Grrr I want my Links bar separate from any buttons. Carl From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
NICE! I just got the sysfader error again.. and IE 8 only closed that ONE tab.. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarti cleId=9129906 From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I just got the sysfader error again.. and IE 8 only closed that ONE tab.. O, now *that's* attractive. Each-tab-as-a-separate-process (or thread, or whatever) is something I've wanted in Firefox for a long time. It'd be especially nice for when Flash or Java decides to go off into hyperspace, and takes my entire browser session with it. Score one for MSFT. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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If you close multiple tabs all you need to do is open a new tab (other than the Home tab) in a new session and select Reopen Last Browsing Session from the left-hand side of the page. AS for the menu bar I can't help you there, I haven't used it in so long that I can't honestly remember what it looks like. I sure love the extra screen real estate though. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the option to turn on tab recovery. Does it only work if IE8 crashes? I want to close IE8 with a bunch of open tabs and have them all restored when it re-opens. Also no enhancements for when tabs are created or when they are re-used. So looks like we still need IE7Pro. And the reg hack to put the menu bar at the top no longer works. I even tried both value names: ITBar7Position=dword:0001 ITBar8Position=dword:0001 without any change. How is it that these features get removed - it takes effort to remove a feature. And the Links bar has been renamed to Favorites bar and now it is wedded to the Add to favorites button. Grrr I want my Links bar separate from any buttons. Carl From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... :) Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.commailto:sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.commailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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There must be an advert for IE8 on Yahoo's site right now; I just got 2 users asking me if they should install it. For a second I though WSUS somehow was spitting it out even though I blocked it. Scared me for a second. From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic; articleId=9129906 From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Piker. I currently have 36 FF windows open, with an average of 3 tabs per window, though many of them are single tabs. That's not even my high point. I've had as many as 55 windows open, with as many as 25 or 30 tabs open in some of them. I love FF. IE is simply not up to that kind of use. Kurt On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 13:37, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote: But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. I currently have 54 tabs open; I've restarted Firefox recently. I've had over 100 enough times that it's no longer remarkable. I use a Firefox extension called Tree Style Tab which lets me organize my browsing hierarchically. When I'm managing multiple projects, each with multiple issues, each issue with multiple avenues of research, I find it's essential for keeping all the information straight. Check out the screenshots. Going back to a single layer of tabs on other computers seems *sooo* 2003 (or 2007 if you're an MSIE fan. ;-) ). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890 I also use an add-on called Session Manager to save/restore the state from the above. Protects it during the occasional Firefox crashes (Java seems to cause me issues, for some reason), Windows Update reboots, etc. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2324 -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
OK, it's official, for me at least. IE7Pro latest version, 2.4.5, has some serious issues with IE8. 1. It does NOT restore the previously opened tabs after IE8 is closed. I get ONE tab back from the previous session. 2. A moment ago, I went Tools, IE7Pro Preferences, and the only things in the left-hand pane were Modules and Others. I restarted IE8 and then all the usual options were back. 3. Right-clicking the background, sometimes the IE7Pro options (e.g. Tab History) are in the context menu, sometimes they aren't. However, IE7Pro is able to position the File menu bar to the top. Registry name or key must have changed. If I can't restore open tabs I'll have to go back to IE7. I don't want to use FF or Maxthon because they don't store Favorites as .url files in the standard Windows folder. I will say that IE8 is faster than IE7, that's readily apparent. Even so, it's still inexplicably slow for opening a blank tab. Carl From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Get the latest version of IE7Pro (2.4.5, I believe) and in the IE7Pro general options, check the box for Show Wider IE7Pro icon display area. -Malcolm From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE
RE: IE 8 today
The tabs also now will keep a history of where you have been over a particular browsing session allowing you to go back to pages whose tabs you have already closed. It doesn't work over multiple sessions, but that is where History would come in to play. The Tabs in IE8 are leagues ahead of IE7's implementation. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the option to turn on tab recovery. Does it only work if IE8 crashes? I want to close IE8 with a bunch of open tabs and have them all restored when it re-opens. Also no enhancements for when tabs are created or when they are re-used. So looks like we still need IE7Pro. And the reg hack to put the menu bar at the top no longer works. I even tried both value names: ITBar7Position=dword:0001 ITBar8Position=dword:0001 without any change. How is it that these features get removed - it takes effort to remove a feature. And the Links bar has been renamed to Favorites bar and now it is wedded to the Add to favorites button. Grrr I want my Links bar separate from any buttons. Carl From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... :) Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.commailto:sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.commailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
It is not uncommon for me to have that many windows and tabs open in IE8 in one order or another. Works just fine. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today Piker. I currently have 36 FF windows open, with an average of 3 tabs per window, though many of them are single tabs. That's not even my high point. I've had as many as 55 windows open, with as many as 25 or 30 tabs open in some of them. I love FF. IE is simply not up to that kind of use. Kurt On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 13:37, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote: But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. ���I currently have 54 tabs open; I've restarted Firefox recently. I've had over 100 enough times that it's no longer remarkable. ���I use a Firefox extension called Tree Style Tab which lets me organize my browsing hierarchically. ��When I'm managing multiple projects, each with multiple issues, each issue with multiple avenues of research, I find it's essential for keeping all the information straight�� Check out the screenshots.���Going back to a single layer of tabs on other computers seems *sooo* 2003 (or 2007 if you're an MSIE fan. ��;-) ��). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890 ��I also use an add-on called Session Manager to save/restore the state from the above.���Protects it during the occasional Firefox crashes (Java seems to cause me issues, for some reason), Windows Update reboots, etc. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2324 -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/�� ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IE 8 today
You don't need it for #1. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, it's official, for me at least. IE7Pro latest version, 2.4.5, has some serious issues with IE8. 1. It does NOT restore the previously opened tabs after IE8 is closed. I get ONE tab back from the previous session. 2. A moment ago, I went Tools, IE7Pro Preferences, and the only things in the left-hand pane were Modules and Others. I restarted IE8 and then all the usual options were back. 3. Right-clicking the background, sometimes the IE7Pro options (e.g. Tab History) are in the context menu, sometimes they aren't. However, IE7Pro is able to position the File menu bar to the top. Registry name or key must have changed. If I can't restore open tabs I'll have to go back to IE7. I don't want to use FF or Maxthon because they don't store Favorites as .url files in the standard Windows folder. I will say that IE8 is faster than IE7, that's readily apparent. Even so, it's still inexplicably slow for opening a blank tab. Carl From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Get the latest version of IE7Pro (2.4.5, I believe) and in the IE7Pro general options, check the box for Show Wider IE7Pro icon display area. -Malcolm From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... :) Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.commailto:sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.commailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree
RE: IE 8 today
Thanks for pointing out where they hid the feature. Maybe I can stay with IE8. Carl From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today If you close multiple tabs all you need to do is open a new tab (other than the Home tab) in a new session and select Reopen Last Browsing Session from the left-hand side of the page. AS for the menu bar I can't help you there, I haven't used it in so long that I can't honestly remember what it looks like. I sure love the extra screen real estate though. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the option to turn on tab recovery. Does it only work if IE8 crashes? I want to close IE8 with a bunch of open tabs and have them all restored when it re-opens. Also no enhancements for when tabs are created or when they are re-used. So looks like we still need IE7Pro. And the reg hack to put the menu bar at the top no longer works. I even tried both value names: ITBar7Position=dword:0001 ITBar8Position=dword:0001 without any change. How is it that these features get removed - it takes effort to remove a feature. And the Links bar has been renamed to Favorites bar and now it is wedded to the Add to favorites button. Grrr I want my Links bar separate from any buttons. Carl From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint
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Perhaps, but in IE7Pro there was the option to preview the tabs about to be recovered (in a 'startup' tab) and allowed un-checking the ones you don't want. IE7Pro isn't putting up the startup tab at all. So they should really fix that. From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today You don't need it for #1. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, it's official, for me at least. IE7Pro latest version, 2.4.5, has some serious issues with IE8. 1. It does NOT restore the previously opened tabs after IE8 is closed. I get ONE tab back from the previous session. 2. A moment ago, I went Tools, IE7Pro Preferences, and the only things in the left-hand pane were Modules and Others. I restarted IE8 and then all the usual options were back. 3. Right-clicking the background, sometimes the IE7Pro options (e.g. Tab History) are in the context menu, sometimes they aren't. However, IE7Pro is able to position the File menu bar to the top. Registry name or key must have changed. If I can't restore open tabs I'll have to go back to IE7. I don't want to use FF or Maxthon because they don't store Favorites as .url files in the standard Windows folder. I will say that IE8 is faster than IE7, that's readily apparent. Even so, it's still inexplicably slow for opening a blank tab. Carl From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Get the latest version of IE7Pro (2.4.5, I believe) and in the IE7Pro general options, check the box for Show Wider IE7Pro icon display area. -Malcolm From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent
Re: IE 8 today
It's very handy for me to have FF remember my tabs, but it sure is slow to open if I have more than a few tabs. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.comwrote: If you close multiple tabs all you need to do is open a new tab (other than the Home tab) in a new session and select Reopen Last Browsing Session from the left-hand side of the page. AS for the menu bar I can’t help you there, I haven’t used it in so long that I can’t honestly remember what it looks like. I sure love the extra screen real estate though. TVK *From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:03 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: IE 8 today OK, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the option to turn on tab recovery. Does it only work if IE8 crashes? I want to close IE8 with a bunch of open tabs and have them all restored when it re-opens. Also no enhancements for when tabs are created or when they are re-used. So looks like we still need IE7Pro. And the reg hack to put the menu bar at the top no longer works. I even tried both value names: ITBar7Position=dword:0001 ITBar8Position=dword:0001 without any change. How is it that these features get removed – it takes effort to remove a feature. And the Links bar has been renamed to Favorites bar and now it is wedded to the Add to favorites button. Grrr I want my Links bar separate from any buttons. Carl *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: IE 8 today Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK *From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying “firefox is fast with FastFox installed” From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today “I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured.” Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business
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It's easy to be leagues ahead when what you're ahead of was so far behind to begin with ... ;) From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today The tabs also now will keep a history of where you have been over a particular browsing session allowing you to go back to pages whose tabs you have already closed. It doesn't work over multiple sessions, but that is where History would come in to play. The Tabs in IE8 are leagues ahead of IE7's implementation. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the option to turn on tab recovery. Does it only work if IE8 crashes? I want to close IE8 with a bunch of open tabs and have them all restored when it re-opens. Also no enhancements for when tabs are created or when they are re-used. So looks like we still need IE7Pro. And the reg hack to put the menu bar at the top no longer works. I even tried both value names: ITBar7Position=dword:0001 ITBar8Position=dword:0001 without any change. How is it that these features get removed - it takes effort to remove a feature. And the Links bar has been renamed to Favorites bar and now it is wedded to the Add to favorites button. Grrr I want my Links bar separate from any buttons. Carl From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes tab recovery is built into IE8. TVK From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes, they fixed the memory issue this time, for real this time, really it's not as bad as it used to be, honest). The FF people sound like Comcast support personal. I plan on switching over to IE8 at home as soon as is practical (whenever the download sites stop blowing up :) Steven On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: Think aboot what? Its no different than saying firefox is fast with FastFox installed From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Think about that for a second. -- Mike Gill From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. I have zero issues using IE7, with IE7pro installed and configured. Zero.. EXCEPT a rare occasion when IE uses a lot of memory, or I get the sysfader error..the latter is an issue really with the OS its running on and not IE itself.. as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes, the time it takes me to go get a pepsi.. im back up and no more memory problems. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
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Nah. I've always been an IE guy. I HATE FF's distaste for non-standard ports. We have far too many of them here with SharePoint. VERY annoying that they don't just give you the ability to say I know it's not standard, but I want to trust it anyways. Might just be me. TVK From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today TVK just likes plugins... Shook From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it isn't an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.commailto:mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Heh. And I've always been an FF fan, and not a fan of non-standard ports. I mean, why should I trust it if it's non-standard? Why reward poor behavior. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 17:47, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: Nah. I’ve always been an IE guy. I HATE FF’s distaste for non-standard ports. We have far too many of them here with SharePoint. VERY annoying that they don’t just give you the ability to say “I know it’s not standard, but I want to trust it anyways”. Might just be me. TVK From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today TVK just likes plugins… Shook From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it isn’t an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsing. Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back. Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. Okay, I'll bite... :) It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) I like Firefox better. It's faster and more flexible. Firefox tends to work they way I want. I can make it do what I want more easily. There are more useful extensions for Firefox Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work. I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. Firefox runs everywhere.. Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6. Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. See above. In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE. Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was. NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks. Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases. With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory. It takes all of five seconds. I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means. :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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An informed decision is not the same as poor behavior. Again, all they need to do is add the check box that says It's OK. It should be MY choice not my browsers. TVK -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today Heh. And I've always been an FF fan, and not a fan of non-standard ports. I mean, why should I trust it if it's non-standard? Why reward poor behavior. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 17:47, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: Nah. I���ve always been an IE guy. I HATE �s distaste for non-standard ports. We have far too many of them here with SharePoint. VERY annoying that they dot just give you the ability to say ���I know it���s not standard, but I want to trust it anyway. Might just be me. TVK From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today TVK just likes plugi� Shook From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I like Firefox myself; with the appropriate plugins, it fits my web browsing needs and habits much better than IE. However, it i�t an enterprise-manageable application, so it is a not anything I would consider deploying at my company. And, yes, we do struggle with the IE certification for applications as well. -Malcolm From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I became a fan and user of Firefox years ago when it was the only browser to offer tabbed browsin�� Just because IE now offers that, I still see no reason to switch back.�� Ironically, at my work, we still haven't implemented IE7 because of two enterprise applications that have not been certified on IE7 by the software companies for use with there web based interfaces. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: All good points.. really. However.. I disagree ��that it IS more secure.. For example.. a recent issue... http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2934 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Ross mr...@itwif.com wrote: I dunno why.. but I disagree with statement touting that firefox is the top dog to work with or use.. ���Okay, I'll bite... :)���It's been a long week; this will be refreshing... :) �� I like Firefox better. ��It's faster and more flexible. ��Firefox tends to work they way I want�� I can make it do what I want more easily.���There are more useful extensions for Firefox ��Firefox works on all my computers, not just XP and Vista. ��Yes, we still have Win 2000 in production at work�� I've got Linux at home and on my laptop. ��Firefox runs everywhere.. ���Extensions to MSIE, like IE7Pro, let IE catch up to Firefox in many ways, but Firefox has been doing more of what I want out of the box for years and years, when MSFT was still leaving us languishing with MSIE 6�� Why should I go through the pain and effort of switching back now? �� The development community responds better and faster than Microsoft. ���See above. �� In practice, I think Firefox is more secure than MSIE�� Web developers wanting to target MSIE are encouraged to use ActiveX, and downloading native machine code over the Internet into a browser is horrible idea and always was.���NoScript blocks even JavaScript-based attacks�� Permit Cookies lets me manage cookie permission easily. ��The fact that some sites *still* don't work right with anything but MSIE 6, and the fact that Microsoft *still( makes it unreasonably hard to run multiple versions of their browser, means that I can't even really try seriously newer releases�� With Firefox, I can simply install to a different directory�� It takes all of five seconds. �� I have zero issues using IE7 ... Zero.. EXCEPT ... �� That word you keep using.���I do not think it means what you think it means.�� :) as far at the memory issue.. e I just reboot and in 1.5 minutes ... ��Another thing I like about Firefox is that, since it hasn't been shoved into the OS core in an attempt to stifle competition (see Findings of Fact, US v. MSFT, 5 Nov 1999), I can easily shutdown, kill, and/or upgrade the browser without having to reboot my *entire computer*. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ��~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/���~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: I HATE FF’s distaste for non-standard ports. I've actually never encountered this particular quirk. A quick Google found what I think you're talking about: It appears it's not all non-standard ports, but a few dozen are already assigned to something else (like SMTP) and judged to be vulnerable to a certain kind of attack. Apparently, some bad guys have crafted HTML forms that submit particular data to these ports. For example, a spammer might use this to have an end-user browser send spam. There's even a US DHS CERT advisory on it. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/netlib/PortBanning.html http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/476267 We have far too many of them here with SharePoint. Seems like an odd quirk that you've got that many sites running on those particular port numbers. Is this due to some strange limitation in SharePoint, or just a poor choice that you're now stuck with? VERY annoying that they don’t just give you the ability to say “I know it’s not standard, but I want to trust it anyways”. Might just be me. No, I think it's fair to say the UI for this stinks. Manually adding ports to an about:config value is not exactly user friendly. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I found it the first time I tried to open one of our SharePoint Admin pages, they are on port 3000 or something to that effect. FF stopped dead and refused to let me through. I know there are ways to theoretically changes the settings, but what a kludge. I'm just not big on my browser trying to be my nanny. TVK -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: I HATE FF's distaste for non-standard ports. I've actually never encountered this particular quirk. A quick Google found what I think you're talking about: It appears it's not all non-standard ports, but a few dozen are already assigned to something else (like SMTP) and judged to be vulnerable to a certain kind of attack. Apparently, some bad guys have crafted HTML forms that submit particular data to these ports. For example, a spammer might use this to have an end-user browser send spam. There's even a US DHS CERT advisory on it. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/netlib/PortBanning.html http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/476267 We have far too many of them here with SharePoint. Seems like an odd quirk that you've got that many sites running on those particular port numbers. Is this due to some strange limitation in SharePoint, or just a poor choice that you're now stuck with? VERY annoying that they don't just give you the ability to say I know it's not standard, but I want to trust it anyways. Might just be me. No, I think it's fair to say the UI for this stinks. Manually adding ports to an about:config value is not exactly user friendly. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Correction.. IE7Pro is putting up the startup page, but it doesn't include all the tabs that were open when IE8 shut down. And the IE8 built-in tab recovery lost *all* the tabs I had open when I let restarted the computer with IE8 open after installing a program update. At least those URLs were still in the Tab Recovery list thanks to IE7Pro. Carl From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Perhaps, but in IE7Pro there was the option to preview the tabs about to be recovered (in a 'startup' tab) and allowed un-checking the ones you don't want. IE7Pro isn't putting up the startup tab at all. So they should really fix that. From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today You don't need it for #1. From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today OK, it's official, for me at least. IE7Pro latest version, 2.4.5, has some serious issues with IE8. 1. It does NOT restore the previously opened tabs after IE8 is closed. I get ONE tab back from the previous session. 2. A moment ago, I went Tools, IE7Pro Preferences, and the only things in the left-hand pane were Modules and Others. I restarted IE8 and then all the usual options were back. 3. Right-clicking the background, sometimes the IE7Pro options (e.g. Tab History) are in the context menu, sometimes they aren't. However, IE7Pro is able to position the File menu bar to the top. Registry name or key must have changed. If I can't restore open tabs I'll have to go back to IE7. I don't want to use FF or Maxthon because they don't store Favorites as .url files in the standard Windows folder. I will say that IE8 is faster than IE7, that's readily apparent. Even so, it's still inexplicably slow for opening a blank tab. Carl From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Get the latest version of IE7Pro (2.4.5, I believe) and in the IE7Pro general options, check the box for Show Wider IE7Pro icon display area. -Malcolm From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Same here, nothing icon on the status bar but it's still working. The Ad Blocker, Form Filter, and Server Info options are all functioning. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Yes me too, but the little blue symbol is no longer represented in the lower right corner. From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today I just did an in place upgrade to IE8 and my IEPro settings came over okay. Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IE 8 today Can't remember the last time when IE7 just gave up and walked away. But I only' have 10-20 tabs open at any given time. My tab recovery support is via IE7Pro. Which brings up my next batch of questions, what is the recommended process for IE7Pro users to move to IE8? Remove IE7Pro before upgrading? Is tab recovery built-in to IE8? I'll go google those things now... J Carl From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IE 8 today I can easily reproduce scenarios that make IE7 crash. IE7 eats waaay more memory and cant handle it. I'm running current versions, side-by-side, aaand I have 30+ extensions loaded into FF (while no add-ons with IE7). My most recently necessity has been to disabled Flash in IE7 because I can make it crash repeatedly when logged into Facebook. I can make this happen at work with XP and at home on Vista. Since there is very little tab-recovery support in IE7, it is currently at the bottom of my annoyances bin. I cant work with it for any information I need to retain. It simply cant be trusted. -- ME2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of weird sites are you people going to? I have zero issues with IE7 standard. I use a combination of FF and IE7 on a variety of different boxes. I find on systems I have both installed, I tend to use IE7 because no matter what the FF folks tell you, overtime FF eats memory and kills your systems performance. (oh yes
