RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread Sam Cayze 
I'd say whoever has the best understanding of how workflows should best be
taking place in the environment.
I've seen too many users ask for something, but a much better system could
be applied that will save them more time and keep things more organized,
secure, etc.

Hence the importance of having the IT dept. closely aware of how the company
runs, and how their technology needs to be properly aligned to keep things
flowing correctly.

I'd be weary of having a Help Desk Techs grant share requests whenever they
see a request.

Sam


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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread David Lum 
For NTFS groups my standard is domain local.  Universal is used when we need to 
nest groups and also for Exchange objects. The other one is for legacy 
compatibility IMO and not used.

"(me, I document user changes - such as adding to/changing group memberships, 
etc - in the "Notes" field of the "Telephone" tab (we don't use that tab for 
anything else). Sort of a poor man's audit trail. I still can't get the other 
guys to do that, tho ...)"

Hey I do that too! In the notes I put the associated HelpDesk ticket number (if 
applicable) as well. 

Dave

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From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM, David Lum  wrote:

> 2.   Groups for this should be Domain Local and no other kind

Why? Specifically, why "no other kind"?

> 3.   In the description in AD, be explicit about where that group 
> has access to - at any time someone should be able to look at the 
> description an know exactly what that group does/has access to.

I do the same, and make a nuisance of myself to my fellow network admins to do 
the same. Now we all put the share location in the description, at the very 
least.

(me, I document user changes - such as adding to/changing group memberships, 
etc - in the "Notes" field of the "Telephone" tab (we don't use that tab for 
anything else). Sort of a poor man's audit trail. I still can't get the other 
guys to do that, tho ...)

> Most Pre-Lum era groups had blank fields and others simply had "For 
> access to files" and they seemed to understand once I showed them, as 
> I heard more than one "Aaahhh.."

I know that one; that's why we now document all new groups with share locations 
in the descriptions, at the very least.

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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread Ray 
In our agency it would depend on where the share will reside.  We have a
central office and we have offices.  The local offices have their own
non-domain admin IT people that can create shares on their servers as
necessary.  The domain admin team handles the big central office shares.
In theory, a department manager puts in a request for a new share, and who
needs access to it.  A group is created and members added.  Additional
membership requests must be approved by the dept manager that made the
original request. 

 

This all sounds reasonable until we realized that nobody wrote down who
requested what when.   I started at least putting comments on the shares and
groups to help keep track of this.  We stopped allowing individuals to have
access.   Sounds like you're doing what I had started to do. 

 

We were also a Novell shop, so some of this was "leftovers". 

 

I am no longer on that domain admin team, having moved to one of the
offices.  My predecessor was completely clueless about shares, permissions,
etc. and I'm still bumping in some odd workarounds.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

 

This was one _HUGE_ plus of the existing ACL's being wiped out - we
previously had hundreds (yes, multiple hundreds, lol) of "this user is on
this folders ACL list" because the SD guys were never told that if a folder
needed a specific ACL they needed to create a group and assign the group to
the new folder's ACL. I ran an ACL report on our primary file share a couple
years ago and almost needed a Depends because of what I found

 

After last week's ACL wipeout debacle I had a quick 30 minute meeting with
them explaining:

1.   If a folder needs a different permission set than the one above it,
create a group, assign that group to the folder and turn off inheritance if
necessary (yes, even if it's just one user).

2.   Groups for this should be Domain Local and no other kind

3.   In the description in AD, be explicit about where that group has
access to - at any time someone should be able to look at the description an
know exactly what that group does/has access to.

 

This was followed by looking at the groups in AD and showing them what's in
there. As I am diligent (some say anal, as I will fire e-mails to SD and SE
teams when I see unsatisfactory info like no or crappy descriptions) about
using the description field in AD I was able to show them that "see, with
what's in AD we can recreate the ACL structure just by looking at groups".
Most Pre-Lum era groups had blank fields and others simply had "For access
to files" and they seemed to understand once I showed them, as I heard more
than one "Aaahhh.."

 

Based on the feedback here - thanks guys! - I am going to change our process
so SD no longer creates shares, only server folks.

 

Dave

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

 

That sounds much better.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

 

A 'Group' can get a share.  An individual cannot.  In general, a 'project'
also cannot get a share.  Group shares have a form (ticket) and
justification and two owners and are tied to an AD group membership for
permission access (read_only, create) and a quota.

 

A project is welcome to a SharePoint site.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Michael B. Smith 
wrote:

I'm shocked that your end-users get to decide what shares they want.

 

How do they justify them?

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

 

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the
desktop support guys? 

 

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but
certainly not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you
guys handle it.

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Leone 
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM, David Lum  wrote:

> 2.   Groups for this should be Domain Local and no other kind

Why? Specifically, why "no other kind"?

> 3.   In the description in AD, be explicit about where that group has
> access to – at any time someone should be able to look at the description an
> know exactly what that group does/has access to.

I do the same, and make a nuisance of myself to my fellow network
admins to do the same. Now we all put the share location in the
description, at the very least.

(me, I document user changes - such as adding to/changing group
memberships, etc - in the "Notes" field of the "Telephone" tab (we
don't use that tab for anything else). Sort of a poor man's audit
trail. I still can't get the other guys to do that, tho ...)

> Most Pre-Lum era groups had blank fields and others simply had “For access
> to files” and they seemed to understand once I showed them, as I heard more
> than one “Aaahhh..”

I know that one; that's why we now document all new groups with share
locations in the descriptions, at the very least.

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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread Jacob 
Sounds like the internal IT at BofA. (brother works a BofA and this sounds
about right)

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

 

We submit a Change Request Form that goes to a sub committee to study the
ramifications of the change.  THe sub committee breaks into study groups to
come up with the proper implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once
all four sub committees have had their finding published in a peer reviewed
internal Sharepoint site, then the committee meets.  During the meeting all
sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision is
reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is
submitted to the IT Managers committee for review.  

 

The IT managers committee breaks into sub committees to review the
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees
have had their finding published in a Management Level peer reviewed
internal Sharepoint site, then the IT Managers committee meets again.
During the meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or
thumbs-down decision is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the
Change Request Form is submitted to the IT Directors committee for review.

 

The IT Directors committee breaks into sub committees to review the
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees
have had their finding published in a Directors Level peer reviewed internal
Sharepoint site, then the IT Directors committee meets again.  During the
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down
decision is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request
Form is submitted to the CIO for approval.

 

If the CIO approves, the share is created.  If the CIO disapproves, go back
to the beginning or find a better place to work.

 

Time to get the share approved and created is 9 months.

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

 

From: David Lum 
Reply-To: NT Issues 
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 +
To: NT Issues 
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

 

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the
desktop support guys? 

 

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but
certainly not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you
guys handle it.

 

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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread Jacob 
My sys admins do on the servers. We do not create shares on workstations.

 

If a user or a group of users need a share, the just put in the request and
the sys admin will create it.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

 

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the
desktop support guys? 

 

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but
certainly not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you
guys handle it.

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
I thought you said in another post that you were self-employed.  You never 
mentioned anything about working for the United States Government.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

We submit a Change Request Form that goes to a sub committee to study the 
ramifications of the change.  THe sub committee breaks into study groups to 
come up with the proper implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once 
all four sub committees have had their finding published in a peer reviewed 
internal Sharepoint site, then the committee meets.  During the meeting all 
sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision is reached.  
If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is submitted to the 
IT Managers committee for review.

The IT managers committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Management Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Managers committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the IT Directors committee for review.

The IT Directors committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Directors Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Directors committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the CIO for approval.

If the CIO approves, the share is created.  If the CIO disapproves, go back to 
the beginning or find a better place to work.

Time to get the share approved and created is 9 months.


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.


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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-09 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
Here, the "server guys" do it.  They are the only ones that 1) truly understand 
local and share permissions and how they interact, 2) have set up the security 
groups and the hierarchy, and 3) understand where privileged information is 
stored and who should access it.

-Paul

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764


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Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Don Ely 
LOL!  Poor ASB, little Webster is picking on him...

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Webster  wrote:

>   I am truly sorry but neither PowerShell or Windows Workflow Foundation
> have completed Change Review processes yet.  Something about the CIO
> learning batch file techniques from http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/ and
> since nothing on that site has been upgraded to either PS or WWF, then they
> must not be worth using. :)
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: Michael Smith 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:19:20 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: RE: Who in your org creates server shares?
>
>   I could improve your work flow and get that down to 3 weeks using
> PowerShell and Windows Workflow Foundation.
>
> ** **
>
> That being said – the process is truly even more complex than that in some
> environments.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:07 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Who in your org creates server shares?
>
>  ** **
>
> We submit a Change Request Form that goes to a sub committee to study the
> ramifications of the change.  THe sub committee breaks into study groups to
> come up with the proper implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.
>  Once all four sub committees have had their finding published in a peer
> reviewed internal Sharepoint site, then the committee meets.  During the
> meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down
> decision is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request
> Form is submitted to the IT Managers committee for review.  
>
> ** **
>
> The IT managers committee breaks into sub committees to review the
> implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub
> committees have had their finding published in a Management Level peer
> reviewed internal Sharepoint site, then the IT Managers committee meets
> again.  During the meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or
> thumbs-down decision is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the
> Change Request Form is submitted to the IT Directors committee for review.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The IT Directors committee breaks into sub committees to review the
> implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub
> committees have had their finding published in a Directors Level peer
> reviewed internal Sharepoint site, then the IT Directors committee meets
> again.  During the meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or
> thumbs-down decision is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the
> Change Request Form is submitted to the CIO for approval.
>
> ** **
>
> If the CIO approves, the share is created.  If the CIO disapproves, go
> back to the beginning or find a better place to work.
>
> ** **
>
> Time to get the share approved and created is 9 months.
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *David Lum 
>
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
> *Date: *Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 +
> *To: *NT Issues 
> *Subject: *Who in your org creates server shares?
>
>  ** **
>
> Do you guys have the “server” guys create the actual shares, or is it the
> desktop support guys? 
>
>  
>
> I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are
> moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but
> certainly not complex enough that they can’t do it. Just wondered how you
> guys handle it.
>
>
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Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> Do you guys have the “server” guys create the actual
> shares, or is it the desktop support guys?

  Our server guys are also our desktop support guys (there are 3, now,
including me), so... yes.  :)  ~130 person company.

  We don't create a lot of shares.  For the most part, we create
folders under a single share.  IT generally controls down one or two
folder levels (to keep it from turning into a free-for-all); after
that, the assigned users can do what they want.

  Users don't even know what a share is.  Most of the time, I get
asked, "Can you create another network drive?", and I end up
explaining how folders work.  :)

-- Ben

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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Michael B. Smith 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Thanks for sharing.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

I am truly sorry but neither PowerShell or Windows Workflow Foundation have 
completed Change Review processes yet.  Something about the CIO learning batch 
file techniques from http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/ and since nothing on that 
site has been upgraded to either PS or WWF, then they must not be worth using. 
:)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: Michael Smith mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:19:20 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

I could improve your work flow and get that down to 3 weeks using PowerShell 
and Windows Workflow Foundation.

That being said - the process is truly even more complex than that in some 
environments.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

We submit a Change Request Form that goes to a sub committee to study the 
ramifications of the change.  THe sub committee breaks into study groups to 
come up with the proper implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once 
all four sub committees have had their finding published in a peer reviewed 
internal Sharepoint site, then the committee meets.  During the meeting all 
sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision is reached.  
If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is submitted to the 
IT Managers committee for review.

The IT managers committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Management Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Managers committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the IT Directors committee for review.

The IT Directors committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Directors Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Directors committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the CIO for approval.

If the CIO approves, the share is created.  If the CIO disapproves, go back to 
the beginning or find a better place to work.

Time to get the share approved and created is 9 months.


Carl Webster

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From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.


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Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Webster 
I am truly sorry but neither PowerShell or Windows Workflow Foundation have 
completed Change Review processes yet.  Something about the CIO learning batch 
file techniques from http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/ and since nothing on that 
site has been upgraded to either PS or WWF, then they must not be worth using. 
:)



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From: Michael Smith mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:19:20 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

I could improve your work flow and get that down to 3 weeks using PowerShell 
and Windows Workflow Foundation.

That being said – the process is truly even more complex than that in some 
environments.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

We submit a Change Request Form that goes to a sub committee to study the 
ramifications of the change.  THe sub committee breaks into study groups to 
come up with the proper implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once 
all four sub committees have had their finding published in a peer reviewed 
internal Sharepoint site, then the committee meets.  During the meeting all 
sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision is reached.  
If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is submitted to the 
IT Managers committee for review.

The IT managers committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Management Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Managers committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the IT Directors committee for review.

The IT Directors committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Directors Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Directors committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the CIO for approval.

If the CIO approves, the share is created.  If the CIO disapproves, go back to 
the beginning or find a better place to work.

Time to get the share approved and created is 9 months.


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

Do you guys have the “server” guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can’t do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.


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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Michael B. Smith 
That sounds much better.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

A 'Group' can get a share.  An individual cannot.  In general, a 'project' also 
cannot get a share.  Group shares have a form (ticket) and justification and 
two owners and are tied to an AD group membership for permission access 
(read_only, create) and a quota.

A project is welcome to a SharePoint site.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I'm shocked that your end-users get to decide what shares they want.

How do they justify them?

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764


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Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Don Kuhlman 
I think I know that place and that process ;)




 From: Webster 
To: NT System Admin Issues  
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?
 

We submit a Change Request Form that goes to a sub committee to study the 
ramifications of the change.  THe sub committee breaks into study groups to 
come up with the proper implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once 
all four sub committees have had their finding published in a peer reviewed 
internal Sharepoint site, then the committee meets.  During the meeting all 
sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision is reached.  
If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is submitted to the 
IT Managers committee for review.  

The IT managers committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Management Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Managers committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the IT Directors committee for review.

The IT Directors committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Directors Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Directors committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the CIO for approval.

If the CIO approves, the share is created.  If the CIO disapproves, go back to 
the beginning or find a better place to work.

Time to get the share approved and created is 9 months.

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com
From: David Lum 
Reply-To: NT Issues 
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 +
To: NT Issues 
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?


 
Do you guys have the “server” guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys? 
 
I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can’t do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.
 
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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Michael B. Smith 
I could improve your work flow and get that down to 3 weeks using PowerShell 
and Windows Workflow Foundation.

That being said - the process is truly even more complex than that in some 
environments.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

We submit a Change Request Form that goes to a sub committee to study the 
ramifications of the change.  THe sub committee breaks into study groups to 
come up with the proper implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once 
all four sub committees have had their finding published in a peer reviewed 
internal Sharepoint site, then the committee meets.  During the meeting all 
sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision is reached.  
If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is submitted to the 
IT Managers committee for review.

The IT managers committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Management Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Managers committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the IT Directors committee for review.

The IT Directors committee breaks into sub committees to review the 
implementation, DR, rollback and backup plans.  Once all four sub committees 
have had their finding published in a Directors Level peer reviewed internal 
Sharepoint site, then the IT Directors committee meets again.  During the 
meeting all sides present their views and a thumbs-up or thumbs-down decision 
is reached.  If the decision is thumbs-up, then the Change Request Form is 
submitted to the CIO for approval.

If the CIO approves, the share is created.  If the CIO disapproves, go back to 
the beginning or find a better place to work.

Time to get the share approved and created is 9 months.


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.


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Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Rankin, James R 
Server teams should create shares but under appropriate change control. 
Sometimes you can over-use shares and create a bit of confusion as to actual 
file locations.

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:45:44 
To: NT System Admin Issues
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Subject: Who in your org creates server 
shares?

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
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Re: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Don Kuhlman 
We had a standard server build that included specific shares with group 
permissions mapped to them.  Those who were granted rights to the shares via 
groups could create folders under them, but not set up their own shares.  The 
folders provided shared access to data for the users.




 From: Michael B. Smith 
To: NT System Admin Issues  
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: Who in your org creates server shares?
 

 
I’m shocked that your end-users get to decide what shares they want.
 
How do they justify them?
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From:David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?
 
Do you guys have the “server” guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys? 
 
I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can’t do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.
David Lum
Systems Engineer //NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229//Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
 
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RE: Who in your org creates server shares?

2012-02-08 Thread Michael B. Smith 
I'm shocked that your end-users get to decide what shares they want.

How do they justify them?

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Who in your org creates server shares?

Do you guys have the "server" guys create the actual shares, or is it the 
desktop support guys?

I ask because for end users our desktop currently folks do it, but we are 
moving to Win2K8 R2 DFS so share creation is a little different but certainly 
not complex enough that they can't do it. Just wondered how you guys handle it.
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764


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