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Being on this list for several years I was a little surprised it went that long, however, I also noticed that while people (including myself) were very heated in their feelings, that it was kept professional, and kudos to that. Unlike my wifes family who wear shirts like McCain sucks and your stupid if you are a republican haah ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
It is odd, from my perspective, that we are leaving 8 years of the most right wing government the country has seen in modern times, and a 2 man business can hardly make enough money to make a descent living. Not because he's not had the business but because the government screws him. Too bad you weren't Exxon, you don't get tax breaks until you may $39 billion (profit mind you) and your silent partner is the VP... From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Thanks William. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: WL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? www.kleenex.com On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get irritated. I'm a small business owner with a minority partner. Our revenue is what it is. But we've already got a 40% tax bite PLUS what it costs us to run the business (supplies, travel, marketing – TANSTAAFL). It's a VERY rare week when I get to work only 40 hours a week. And yet…because I work hard for my money, I was willing to take a risk and go out on my own, and was somewhat successful – I should pay even MORE for that? Even after the self-employment tax I already pay? Bah. It's almost enough to make me want to go flip burgers. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? To the top few percent, they have money all over the world. Raising taxes here and there in the grand scheme of things doesn't make much difference. America levies pretty hefty taxes, and I think it was something like the top 5% earners pay about 50% of the taxes in this country, between income tax, luxury tax etc. Now you want those same 5% to pay another 10%? Or 20%? Notice how the bar keeps sliding, it went from 250k, to 200k and Biden even said 150k the other day. 150k for a dual working family is far from rich! And to pay another 1,500.00/yr or so in taxes (forget higher prices on top) only means no vacation that year, or wait an extra year to buy that car, or upgrade the house. People who make money know HOW to make it, they treat a dollar like an employee, having the dollar sit in a bank does not make more revenue for them. trickle down economics work because if you can get more people to buy more of your goods then you make more money. Then you hire more people because production is up, and then profits go up with it. Raising taxes, means you do more with less, because sales go down because you have to raise the price of your goods to compensate for the higher tax. The thing that disgusts me is that people think they are entitled to more. In the tax cut for 95% of America, 40% of those don't pay income tax. So the only way to lower their tax any more is to give them a check, that is called welfare, the government handing out checks for money you didn't earn, this is also called socialism as a common definition. So if 40% of America is going to get a 'check' back then 40% of America is in a welfare system. The problem is these programs for people are out there. When I was struggling we were on Medicaid when my wife got pregnant and were taken care of just great. The programs are there, people think they deserve a check. Did anyone see the woman complaining about how she can only afford ½ gallon of milk and not a full gallon. First off she was extremely overweight so food didn't seem to be a problem, there was a 2 liter coke bottle in the background, and she had those long curvy designed nails, which costs about 50 bucks. So while shes crying she cant afford milk, she can afford soda, and to get her nails done. I guess she will get a nice big 'check' so she can get her nails done more often. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Get ready, then. It's going to get worse. -Original Message- From: Phil Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It is odd, from my perspective, that we are leaving 8 years of the most right wing government the country has seen in modern times, and a 2 man business can hardly make enough money to make a descent living. Not because he's not had the business but because the government screws him. Too bad you weren't Exxon, you don't get tax breaks until you may $39 billion (profit mind you) and your silent partner is the VP... From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Thanks William. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: WL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? www.kleenex.com On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get irritated. I'm a small business owner with a minority partner. Our revenue is what it is. But we've already got a 40% tax bite PLUS what it costs us to run the business (supplies, travel, marketing TANSTAAFL). It's a VERY rare week when I get to work only 40 hours a week. And yet because I work hard for my money, I was willing to take a risk and go out on my own, and was somewhat successful I should pay even MORE for that? Even after the self-employment tax I already pay? Bah. It's almost enough to make me want to go flip burgers. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? To the top few percent, they have money all over the world. Raising taxes here and there in the grand scheme of things doesn't make much difference. America levies pretty hefty taxes, and I think it was something like the top 5% earners pay about 50% of the taxes in this country, between income tax, luxury tax etc. Now you want those same 5% to pay another 10%? Or 20%? Notice how the bar keeps sliding, it went from 250k, to 200k and Biden even said 150k the other day. 150k for a dual working family is far from rich! And to pay another 1,500.00/yr or so in taxes (forget higher prices on top) only means no vacation that year, or wait an extra year to buy that car, or upgrade the house. People who make money know HOW to make it, they treat a dollar like an employee, having the dollar sit in a bank does not make more revenue for them. trickle down economics work because if you can get more people to buy more of your goods then you make more money. Then you hire more people because production is up, and then profits go up with it. Raising taxes, means you do more with less, because sales go down because you have to raise the price of your goods to compensate for the higher tax. The thing that disgusts me is that people think they are entitled to more. In the tax cut for 95% of America, 40% of those don't pay income tax. So the only way to lower their tax any more is to give them a check, that is called welfare, the government handing out checks for money you didn't earn, this is also called socialism as a common definition. So if 40% of America is going to get a 'check' back then 40% of America is in a welfare system. The problem is these programs for people are out there. When I was struggling we were on Medicaid when my wife got pregnant and were taken care of just great. The programs are there, people think they deserve a check. Did anyone see the woman complaining about how she can only afford ½ gallon of milk and not a full gallon. First off she was extremely overweight so food didn't seem to be a problem, there was a 2 liter coke bottle in the background, and she had those long curvy designed nails, which costs about 50 bucks. So while shes crying she cant afford milk, she can afford soda, and to get her nails done. I guess she will get a nice big 'check' so she can get her nails done more often. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business
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Let's leave this thread in peace and quiet? Thanks !! Stu -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) -- Was at the Skins/Browns game... Good run under Zorny so far, eh? -sc -Original Message- From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) You're Steelers are going down Monday night! Shook a.k.a. die hard 'skins fan... -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: Classified When was the last time a NY team won the WS? OHh yeah: My steelers are going to pay you back for the suck out on Sunday,,, End Classification: Z ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ .. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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No worries. Thankfully as a self-employed or small business owner, you get to offset much of your revenue with those expenses. (I pay income taxes in two countries. 40% would be nice.) The recession is affecting what I buy because customers are taking more time to pay me. Business opportunities are still there. I do expect it to get worse before it gets better, though. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks William. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: WL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? www.kleenex.com On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get irritated. I'm a small business owner with a minority partner. Our revenue is what it is. But we've already got a 40% tax bite PLUS what it costs us to run the business (supplies, travel, marketing – TANSTAAFL). It's a VERY rare week when I get to work only 40 hours a week. And yet…because I work hard for my money, I was willing to take a risk and go out on my own, and was somewhat successful – I should pay even MORE for that? Even after the self-employment tax I already pay? Bah. It's almost enough to make me want to go flip burgers. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? To the top few percent, they have money all over the world. Raising taxes here and there in the grand scheme of things doesn't make much difference. America levies pretty hefty taxes, and I think it was something like the top 5% earners pay about 50% of the taxes in this country, between income tax, luxury tax etc. Now you want those same 5% to pay another 10%? Or 20%? Notice how the bar keeps sliding, it went from 250k, to 200k and Biden even said 150k the other day. 150k for a dual working family is far from rich! And to pay another 1,500.00/yr or so in taxes (forget higher prices on top) only means no vacation that year, or wait an extra year to buy that car, or upgrade the house. People who make money know HOW to make it, they treat a dollar like an employee, having the dollar sit in a bank does not make more revenue for them. trickle down economics work because if you can get more people to buy more of your goods then you make more money. Then you hire more people because production is up, and then profits go up with it. Raising taxes, means you do more with less, because sales go down because you have to raise the price of your goods to compensate for the higher tax. The thing that disgusts me is that people think they are entitled to more. In the tax cut for 95% of America, 40% of those don't pay income tax. So the only way to lower their tax any more is to give them a check, that is called welfare, the government handing out checks for money you didn't earn, this is also called socialism as a common definition. So if 40% of America is going to get a 'check' back then 40% of America is in a welfare system. The problem is these programs for people are out there. When I was struggling we were on Medicaid when my wife got pregnant and were taken care of just great. The programs are there, people think they deserve a check. Did anyone see the woman complaining about how she can only afford ½ gallon of milk and not a full gallon. First off she was extremely overweight so food didn't seem to be a problem, there was a 2 liter coke bottle in the background, and she had those long curvy designed nails, which costs about 50 bucks. So while shes crying she cant afford milk, she can afford soda, and to get her nails done. I guess she will get a nice big 'check' so she can get her nails done more often. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
+2 -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 18:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? +1! -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Heh. If you wanted a choice for freedom, you shoulda supported Ron Paul, or perhaps Bob Barr. Neither Obama nor McCain understand the concept, or if they do, they don't believe the American public deserves it. On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email is sent for and on behalf of Inspop.com Limited ** Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Registration no. 310635. Inspop.com Limited (also trading as Confused.com) is registered in England and Wales at 2nd Floor, Friary House, Greyfriars Road, Cardiff, CF10 3AE (Reg. No. 03857130 ). Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Information Security Officer by telephone on +44 (0) 29 2043 4200. Please then delete this email and destroy any copies of it. This email has been swept for viruses before leaving our system. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and accept this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. We may monitor the content of E-mails sent and received via our network for viruses or unauthorised use and for other lawful business purposes. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Messagelabs. The service is powered by MessageLabs. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I am paying about $8 a gallon here in the UK. No sympathy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 21:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Paid, 2.02 this morning (San Antonio Texas) -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Lol, I paid $2.59 yesterday, and was thankful (California) Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France
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I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my
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I really don't want to get into this. But I'm asking everyone just one question. Where is the money coming from to pay off the 4 Trillion GW is leaving us? The Gov doesn't make things to sell and they're not in business. Phil -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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\* RANT Have you EVER known any politician to ever really reduce taxes or to stop taxing because what ever the tax was for was paid off? Come on get real. They are way over paid and under worked now! I would not give that bunch of crooks a penny if there was any legal way to avoid doing it. Let the whole bunch of them pay the salaries of their staff out of their own pocket and NOT get a retirement for sitting up there and doing as little as they can. Then we would see more intelligent people running the country or at least ones less inclined to run us so far into debit that the next 7 generation will be paying it off. Either that or put a Balanced Budget Amendment on the Constitution requiring them to ONLY operate on a balanced budget. Add to that a requirement that they must show where every penny is coming from and where it is going. Tax on this is paying for that type of thing. Sure would make it harder to get re-elected when people begin seeing where the money is coming from and where it is going. */ end RANT Jon On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:22 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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The last business they ran, that I ever heard about, was a whore house selling liqueur in Las Vegas and they put it into Bankruptcy. Seems they could not figure out HOW to run a business. Before they took over it was making very good money. Jon On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Phil Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't want to get into this. But I'm asking everyone just one question. Where is the money coming from to pay off the 4 Trillion GW is leaving us? The Gov doesn't make things to sell and they're not in business. Phil -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after
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We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care
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Well, isn't it obvious that the government isn't helping them enough? Eventually the US government will HAVE to buy Detroit. Tim Vander Kooi wrote: For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last month for the first time so I think the end of the skid is coming to a close. (Thank God) On this end, I have seen a noticeable drop off in business, as a consultant, however, nothing worse than usual as the end of year is coming up and all the holidays, usually November/December are slow and I get
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I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much
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That's what makes it sweeter for useveryone was picking the Rays... And, I was not deliberately trying to rub it in. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against
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We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value
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2.32 a gallon here in RI, and going lower, cant wait to see it hit 2.00 dollars, I am taking a picture then. Especially when those Buggas was porking us 4.14 this summer... And who said the gas companies arent price goughing Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country
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I about crapped my pants 1.99 at BP on Polaris (North of Columbus Ohio) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? 2.32 a gallon here in RI, and going lower, cant wait to see it hit 2.00 dollars, I am taking a picture then. Especially when those Buggas was porking us 4.14 this summer... And who said the gas companies arent price goughing Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying
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We just hit $2.09 a gallon in Minneapolis. If you drive a little ways out of the cities it is down to $1.97. Thank You, Chris Blair IT - Network Operations HID Global (MIN) Office: 952.946.6335 Cell:952.465.9942 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 10/31/2008 08:51 AM Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? 2.32 a gallon here in RI, and going lower, cant wait to see it hit 2.00 dollars, I am taking a picture then. Especially when those Buggas was porking us 4.14 this summer... And who said the gas companies arent price goughing Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President
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Don't worry, the recent earthquake in the Dallas-Fort Worth area will be cited as the reason they have to raise prices again. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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That is sooo sic... 1.97 a gallon, Id drive to Minn for those prices... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I hope you brought extra underware just in case. DOWN with the OIL companies and there toxic spew I say Sorry just joking, but its really nice to see sensible gas prices now... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I about crapped my pants 1.99 at BP on Polaris (North of Columbus Ohio) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? 2.32 a gallon here in RI, and going lower, cant wait to see it hit 2.00 dollars, I am taking a picture then. Especially when those Buggas was porking us 4.14 this summer... And who said the gas companies arent price goughing Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony
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Sensible? We pay one pound per *litre*...you guys wanna think yourselves lucky... 2008/10/31 Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope you brought extra underware just in case. DOWN with the OIL companies and there toxic spew I say Sorry just joking, but its really nice to see sensible gas prices now… Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:52 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I about crapped my pants 1.99 at BP on Polaris (North of Columbus Ohio) *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? 2.32 a gallon here in RI, and going lower, cant wait to see it hit 2.00 dollars, I am taking a picture then. Especially when those Buggas was porking us 4.14 this summer... And who said the gas companies arent price goughing Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:47 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. *___* *Stefan Jafs* *From:* Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less
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There have been gas pricing wars going on in my neighborhood in Ft. Worth for about a month now. It's been really fun, but crazy. I haven't seen lines at gas stations since the 70's. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you brought extra underware just in case. DOWN with the OIL companies and there toxic spew I say Sorry just joking, but its really nice to see sensible gas prices now… Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Brumbaugh, Luke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:52 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I about crapped my pants 1.99 at BP on Polaris (North of Columbus Ohio) *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? 2.32 a gallon here in RI, and going lower, cant wait to see it hit 2.00 dollars, I am taking a picture then. Especially when those Buggas was porking us 4.14 this summer... And who said the gas companies arent price goughing Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:47 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. *___* *Stefan Jafs* *From:* Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our
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Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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People that make this type of argument seem to have no issues with the way things are going but complain about the way things are going. From the looks of it people on both ends of the income spectrum are pushing this concept. It doesn't mean it will work but as a small business owner making less than 200,000 I don't see any harm in trying it. I don't believe in trickle-down economics but in the end we have to try something. Irregardless of what plan is offered someone will find something wrong it. The morale is that there's no perfect plan as it's all a test and as far as I'm concerned everything from this point forward is a test. The government bailing out the companies, a good idea, but it was a test and we're still waiting to see what good will come from it. Obama's plan for change is a test. That other guys' plans are stagnent and represent the same failures that got us to this point. In the end I say vote for Nader or Obama as they both supposedly represent Change. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ralph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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MI..socialist? News to me and I've lived here all my life. I'm also a bit right of center. But I'll agree it's more liberal-oriented than other states. I guess we can thank the UAW/Detroit for that (altho both have gone downhill since the 60's when the Big 3 were an important part of the US economy. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back
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But that's your government adding taxes...BTW, you guys still get taxed on tv's? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I am paying about $8 a gallon here in the UK. No sympathy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 21:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Paid, 2.02 this morning (San Antonio Texas) -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Lol, I paid $2.59 yesterday, and was thankful (California) Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork
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Oh, yeah - there'll be a LOT of change. Not necessarily the kind you want, though, realizing that Obama's party has been in control for the past 2 years already. We already have a taste. From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? People that make this type of argument seem to have no issues with the way things are going but complain about the way things are going. From the looks of it people on both ends of the income spectrum are pushing this concept. It doesn't mean it will work but as a small business owner making less than 200,000 I don't see any harm in trying it. I don't believe in trickle-down economics but in the end we have to try something. Irregardless of what plan is offered someone will find something wrong it. The morale is that there's no perfect plan as it's all a test and as far as I'm concerned everything from this point forward is a test. The government bailing out the companies, a good idea, but it was a test and we're still waiting to see what good will come from it. Obama's plan for change is a test. That other guys' plans are stagnent and represent the same failures that got us to this point. In the end I say vote for Nader or Obama as they both supposedly represent Change. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ralph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Treasury bonds. And he didn't accumulate all that debt during his adminstration. US government has been running up a tab all the way back to the early 60's when LBJ decided he wanted guns AND butter. (Kudos to the Clinton/Gingrich team who did give us a surplus for a couple years.) Although it is the people who vote for their representatives. So, in the end, the people are the ones to blame. We want a balanced budget but we like tax cuts, entitlement programs, etc. etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Phil Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I really don't want to get into this. But I'm asking everyone just one question. Where is the money coming from to pay off the 4 Trillion GW is leaving us? The Gov doesn't make things to sell and they're not in business. Phil -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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So themz demokratz are the one's responsible for this trillion $$$ debt?! In the end I don't think it matters how jacked up this economy is as I think most people simply want certain things to remain the same. Inserting the term socialist into Obama's campaign is kinda silly when you consider the principles upon which this country was built. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, yeah – there'll be a LOT of change. Not necessarily the kind you want, though, realizing that Obama's party has been in control for the past 2 years already. We already have a taste. *From:* MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? People that make this type of argument seem to have no issues with the way things are going but complain about the way things are going. From the looks of it people on both ends of the income spectrum are pushing this concept. It doesn't mean it will work but as a small business owner making less than 200,000 I don't see any harm in trying it. I don't believe in trickle-down economics but in the end we have to try something. Irregardless of what plan is offered someone will find something wrong it. The morale is that there's no perfect plan as it's all a test and as far as I'm concerned everything from this point forward is a test. The government bailing out the companies, a good idea, but it was a test and we're still waiting to see what good will come from it. Obama's plan for change is a test. That other guys' plans are stagnent and represent the same failures that got us to this point. In the end I say vote for Nader or Obama as they both supposedly represent Change. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ralph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication
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You measure your gas in groups of baby animals? -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Stefan Jafs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone
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But for businesses to expand, build new factories, etc. they need capital. For that they have to go to the marketplace either thru commercial paper, IPO's or other financial instruments. Increasing taxes on those who supply that capital means less capital to go around. Taxing businesses is a false argument. Businesses don't pay for anything. Their customers do. Also, there are a lot of dollars overseas because the cost (tax) to repatriate those dollars is very high. So, the companies keep the money over there. Yes, the rich put the money away. In investments, bonds, stock market, etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Being in a situation where you cannot pay off all of your debt is the same as being broke in my book. I beleive that thinking otherwise is what puts so many people in financial straits. -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're not broke. $14 trillion GDP. I don't like the size of the nat'l debt either but it's a bit of a stretch to say we're broke. I'm not too worried about China dumping dollars as it would inflict a massive hit to their nat'l economy which could lead to political trouble on a large scale. What I do worry is the diplomatic pressure they could put on the administration beause of holding a large share of Treasury bonds. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Bah, you're no fun. Its Reformation Day after all! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely pitiful... Shook -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? You measure your gas in groups of baby animals? -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Stefan Jafs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Trickle-down effect - When the economy tanks the first people to suffer are those who have little because they received little, a trickle, when the economy was good. Those who have money to invest, invest minimally in expansion during an economic downturn as they are protecting their assets. -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But for businesses to expand, build new factories, etc. they need capital. For that they have to go to the marketplace either thru commercial paper, IPO's or other financial instruments. Increasing taxes on those who supply that capital means less capital to go around. Taxing businesses is a false argument. Businesses don't pay for anything. Their customers do. Also, there are a lot of dollars overseas because the cost (tax) to repatriate those dollars is very high. So, the companies keep the money over there. Yes, the rich put the money away. In investments, bonds, stock market, etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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Which is why so many people are in foreclosure on their homes, they bit off way more than they could afford to. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being in a situation where you cannot pay off all of your debt is the same as being broke in my book. I beleive that thinking otherwise is what puts so many people in financial straits. -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're not broke. $14 trillion GDP. I don't like the size of the nat'l debt either but it's a bit of a stretch to say we're broke. I'm not too worried about China dumping dollars as it would inflict a massive hit to their nat'l economy which could lead to political trouble on a large scale. What I do worry is the diplomatic pressure they could put on the administration beause of holding a large share of Treasury bonds. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Yes it is...I love Luther and I would consider myself reformed in my theology, however, the 95 thesis aren't that much fun to read. :) Shook -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Bah, you're no fun. Its Reformation Day after all! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely pitiful... Shook -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? You measure your gas in groups of baby animals? -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Stefan Jafs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances
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TV's are not taxed. You pay a TV license each year that funds the BBC. By the way I am an American who lives and works here. I last lived outside of Boston. Mark -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 October 2008 16:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But that's your government adding taxes...BTW, you guys still get taxed on tv's? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I am paying about $8 a gallon here in the UK. No sympathy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 21:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Paid, 2.02 this morning (San Antonio Texas) -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Lol, I paid $2.59 yesterday, and was thankful (California) Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70
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Either that and they didn't,. and the price of there house has dropped so much it isn't worth staying in it. Trust me in that boat right now... Z From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Actually you have to look at that more independently of a class of people. I agree that giving breaks to large businesses does not always end up with more money in the US economy. Although we have seen the business smarts of most large organizations in recent days and all the boards and CEO's need to be whipped with a cat of 9 tails and left to bake in the sun for the evil they are doing... The issue is that if you cut for the lower and middle class you have to raise on the upper class. That's distributing wealth based on status. Goto a universal tax and its fair for everyone. Make more money you pay more taxes but its straight across the board, make less and you pay less. Having someone who has worked harder and earns a higher salary and making them pay a HIGHER PERCENTAGE simply because they have more is wrong...Period.. Get educated in economics and you will see that trickle UP economics has never worked without a large governing body that distributes the money around fairly. Hello Marxism.. Where is that familiar..Yes that's who Obama studied to base his economic plans on. What countries are doing that now...How industrious or inventive are they in the world economy...Who gets rich off that...The governing body..never the people.. Does anyone read history? Study the last 3 or 4 world superpowers that are long gone and you will see a direct parallel with what we are doing now with where they were in the state of their fall. -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Agreed. When the housing boom was in full swing, I was working at a real estate law firm. We had people coming in all the time at the ENCOURAGEMENT of the LENDERS making ~$45k/year combined in a brand new tricked out Escalade buying a $350,000 home on a 40yr mortgage interest only payments with all closing costs rolled into the note. Absolutely disgusting...for the love of money is the root of all evil. Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Which is why so many people are in foreclosure on their homes, they bit off way more than they could afford to. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being in a situation where you cannot pay off all of your debt is the same as being broke in my book. I beleive that thinking otherwise is what puts so many people in financial straits. -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're not broke. $14 trillion GDP. I don't like the size of the nat'l debt either but it's a bit of a stretch to say we're broke. I'm not too worried about China dumping dollars as it would inflict a massive hit to their nat'l economy which could lead to political trouble on a large scale. What I do worry is the diplomatic pressure they could put on the administration beause of holding a large share of Treasury bonds. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
And which principles would those be??? From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? So themz demokratz are the one's responsible for this trillion $$$ debt?! In the end I don't think it matters how jacked up this economy is as I think most people simply want certain things to remain the same. Inserting the term socialist into Obama's campaign is kinda silly when you consider the principles upon which this country was built. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, yeah - there'll be a LOT of change. Not necessarily the kind you want, though, realizing that Obama's party has been in control for the past 2 years already. We already have a taste. From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? People that make this type of argument seem to have no issues with the way things are going but complain about the way things are going. From the looks of it people on both ends of the income spectrum are pushing this concept. It doesn't mean it will work but as a small business owner making less than 200,000 I don't see any harm in trying it. I don't believe in trickle-down economics but in the end we have to try something. Irregardless of what plan is offered someone will find something wrong it. The morale is that there's no perfect plan as it's all a test and as far as I'm concerned everything from this point forward is a test. The government bailing out the companies, a good idea, but it was a test and we're still waiting to see what good will come from it. Obama's plan for change is a test. That other guys' plans are stagnent and represent the same failures that got us to this point. In the end I say vote for Nader or Obama as they both supposedly represent Change. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ralph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
And the more you raise taxes on businesses and the rich, the more incentive you give them to move out of the US and set up business elsewhere. Why do you think that all the automotive makers are moving out of Michigan and to low tax areas like Kentucky, Alabama, etc.? Is it because Kentucky has a better workforce? No, it's because they are offered better tax incentives. Meanwhile the people of MI are buying the politicians bunk that taxes need to be raised in order to better support the poor. At the rate they are going the whole state will be poor very shortly and then who do they raise taxes on? Obama is being very honest when he tells everyone that he intends to help grow the middle-class of this country. He grand illusion is the fact that no one seems to care that he plans to grow the middle-class by bringing the upper-class down into the middle, not by bringing the lower-class up. TVK -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
We're not broke. $14 trillion GDP. I don't like the size of the nat'l debt either but it's a bit of a stretch to say we're broke. I'm not too worried about China dumping dollars as it would inflict a massive hit to their nat'l economy which could lead to political trouble on a large scale. What I do worry is the diplomatic pressure they could put on the administration beause of holding a large share of Treasury bonds. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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yea, tl;dr! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it is...I love Luther and I would consider myself reformed in my theology, however, the 95 thesis aren't that much fun to read. :) Shook -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Bah, you're no fun. Its Reformation Day after all! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely pitiful... Shook -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? You measure your gas in groups of baby animals? -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Stefan Jafs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Some of those with money to invest do so aggressively during a downturn because right now stocks and real estate are on sale. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Peter Rabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Trickle-down effect - When the economy tanks the first people to suffer are those who have little because they received little, a trickle, when the economy was good. Those who have money to invest, invest minimally in expansion during an economic downturn as they are protecting their assets. -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But for businesses to expand, build new factories, etc. they need capital. For that they have to go to the marketplace either thru commercial paper, IPO's or other financial instruments. Increasing taxes on those who supply that capital means less capital to go around. Taxing businesses is a false argument. Businesses don't pay for anything. Their customers do. Also, there are a lot of dollars overseas because the cost (tax) to repatriate those dollars is very high. So, the companies keep the money over there. Yes, the rich put the money away. In investments, bonds, stock market, etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited
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Very true...The myth that the rich just hide their money under their mattresses so that they can stay rich is usually told by those with little as a way to make it OK to hate/blame the rich for their problems. The rich in this country, on whole, did not get that way by sticking money under their mattress, but rather by working their tails off and making wise investment choices. They continue to do that regardless of the state of the economy. It is the poorer citizens who tend to save and refuse to spend when times get tough. This is why giving out money to the middle class to spend our way out of a recession has never worked once in the history of our country. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Some of those with money to invest do so aggressively during a downturn because right now stocks and real estate are on sale. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Peter Rabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Trickle-down effect - When the economy tanks the first people to suffer are those who have little because they received little, a trickle, when the economy was good. Those who have money to invest, invest minimally in expansion during an economic downturn as they are protecting their assets. -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But for businesses to expand, build new factories, etc. they need capital. For that they have to go to the marketplace either thru commercial paper, IPO's or other financial instruments. Increasing taxes on those who supply that capital means less capital to go around. Taxing businesses is a false argument. Businesses don't pay for anything. Their customers do. Also, there are a lot of dollars overseas because the cost (tax) to repatriate those dollars is very high. So, the companies keep the money over there. Yes, the rich put the money away. In investments, bonds, stock market, etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10
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If I had the cash sitting around I'd be buying real estate right now, that's for sure. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Very true...The myth that the rich just hide their money under their mattresses so that they can stay rich is usually told by those with little as a way to make it OK to hate/blame the rich for their problems. The rich in this country, on whole, did not get that way by sticking money under their mattress, but rather by working their tails off and making wise investment choices. They continue to do that regardless of the state of the economy. It is the poorer citizens who tend to save and refuse to spend when times get tough. This is why giving out money to the middle class to spend our way out of a recession has never worked once in the history of our country. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Some of those with money to invest do so aggressively during a downturn because right now stocks and real estate are on sale. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Peter Rabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Trickle-down effect - When the economy tanks the first people to suffer are those who have little because they received little, a trickle, when the economy was good. Those who have money to invest, invest minimally in expansion during an economic downturn as they are protecting their assets. -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But for businesses to expand, build new factories, etc. they need capital. For that they have to go to the marketplace either thru commercial paper, IPO's or other financial instruments. Increasing taxes on those who supply that capital means less capital to go around. Taxing businesses is a false argument. Businesses don't pay for anything. Their customers do. Also, there are a lot of dollars overseas because the cost (tax) to repatriate those dollars is very high. So, the companies keep the money over there. Yes, the rich put the money away. In investments, bonds, stock market, etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues
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Use OPM...other people's money...best way to make money. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Ben Schorr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had the cash sitting around I'd be buying real estate right now, that's for sure. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Very true...The myth that the rich just hide their money under their mattresses so that they can stay rich is usually told by those with little as a way to make it OK to hate/blame the rich for their problems. The rich in this country, on whole, did not get that way by sticking money under their mattress, but rather by working their tails off and making wise investment choices. They continue to do that regardless of the state of the economy. It is the poorer citizens who tend to save and refuse to spend when times get tough. This is why giving out money to the middle class to spend our way out of a recession has never worked once in the history of our country. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Some of those with money to invest do so aggressively during a downturn because right now stocks and real estate are on sale. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Peter Rabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Trickle-down effect - When the economy tanks the first people to suffer are those who have little because they received little, a trickle, when the economy was good. Those who have money to invest, invest minimally in expansion during an economic downturn as they are protecting their assets. -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But for businesses to expand, build new factories, etc. they need capital. For that they have to go to the marketplace either thru commercial paper, IPO's or other financial instruments. Increasing taxes on those who supply that capital means less capital to go around. Taxing businesses is a false argument. Businesses don't pay for anything. Their customers do. Also, there are a lot of dollars overseas because the cost (tax) to repatriate those dollars is very high. So, the companies keep the money over there. Yes, the rich put the money away. In investments, bonds, stock market, etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have
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Absolutely pitiful... Shook -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? You measure your gas in groups of baby animals? -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Stefan Jafs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are just going below $0.90 / liter from a high of $1.40 in the summer. ___ Stefan Jafs From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I've seen gas around here (Buffalo, NY) for $2.99/gal. Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No argument here! We wuz bamboozled! -- ME2 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his
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Exactly why the Chinese gov't wants Obama in place. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? And the more you raise taxes on businesses and the rich, the more incentive you give them to move out of the US and set up business elsewhere. Why do you think that all the automotive makers are moving out of Michigan and to low tax areas like Kentucky, Alabama, etc.? Is it because Kentucky has a better workforce? No, it's because they are offered better tax incentives. Meanwhile the people of MI are buying the politicians bunk that taxes need to be raised in order to better support the poor. At the rate they are going the whole state will be poor very shortly and then who do they raise taxes on? Obama is being very honest when he tells everyone that he intends to help grow the middle-class of this country. He grand illusion is the fact that no one seems to care that he plans to grow the middle-class by bringing the upper-class down into the middle, not by bringing the lower-class up. TVK -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com
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I hear ya. Preferably down your way. :-) -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? If I had the cash sitting around I'd be buying real estate right now, that's for sure. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Very true...The myth that the rich just hide their money under their mattresses so that they can stay rich is usually told by those with little as a way to make it OK to hate/blame the rich for their problems. The rich in this country, on whole, did not get that way by sticking money under their mattress, but rather by working their tails off and making wise investment choices. They continue to do that regardless of the state of the economy. It is the poorer citizens who tend to save and refuse to spend when times get tough. This is why giving out money to the middle class to spend our way out of a recession has never worked once in the history of our country. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Some of those with money to invest do so aggressively during a downturn because right now stocks and real estate are on sale. Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower www.rolandschorr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Peter Rabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Trickle-down effect - When the economy tanks the first people to suffer are those who have little because they received little, a trickle, when the economy was good. Those who have money to invest, invest minimally in expansion during an economic downturn as they are protecting their assets. -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But for businesses to expand, build new factories, etc. they need capital. For that they have to go to the marketplace either thru commercial paper, IPO's or other financial instruments. Increasing taxes on those who supply that capital means less capital to go around. Taxing businesses is a false argument. Businesses don't pay for anything. Their customers do. Also, there are a lot of dollars overseas because the cost (tax) to repatriate those dollars is very high. So, the companies keep the money over there. Yes, the rich put the money away. In investments, bonds, stock market, etc. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster
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Sounds like fun (over-seas assignment, that is). Although I assume your cost of living is higher than if in the US.? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? TV's are not taxed. You pay a TV license each year that funds the BBC. By the way I am an American who lives and works here. I last lived outside of Boston. Mark -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 October 2008 16:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But that's your government adding taxes...BTW, you guys still get taxed on tv's? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I am paying about $8 a gallon here in the UK. No sympathy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 21:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Paid, 2.02 this morning (San Antonio Texas) -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Lol, I paid $2.59 yesterday, and was thankful (California) Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you
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Stu, Can we setup a sunbelt-politics list to move this discussion there? (that's a hint to call this thread quits) I have my opinions, I share them when appropriate, this is not an appropraite forum. As to the original topic, we're an accounting firm, and we're planning on increased spending. Since I haven't finalized my budget yet, I can't say by how much, but probably about 15%. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like fun (over-seas assignment, that is). Although I assume your cost of living is higher than if in the US.? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? TV's are not taxed. You pay a TV license each year that funds the BBC. By the way I am an American who lives and works here. I last lived outside of Boston. Mark -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 October 2008 16:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But that's your government adding taxes...BTW, you guys still get taxed on tv's? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I am paying about $8 a gallon here in the UK. No sympathy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 21:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Paid, 2.02 this morning (San Antonio Texas) -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Lol, I paid $2.59 yesterday, and was thankful (California) Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from
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Please. I am refraining from responding to many posts containing mis-information or fabrication myself. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Jonathan Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu, Can we setup a sunbelt-politics list to move this discussion there? (that's a hint to call this thread quits) I have my opinions, I share them when appropriate, this is not an appropraite forum. As to the original topic, we're an accounting firm, and we're planning on increased spending. Since I haven't finalized my budget yet, I can't say by how much, but probably about 15%. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like fun (over-seas assignment, that is). Although I assume your cost of living is higher than if in the US.? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? TV's are not taxed. You pay a TV license each year that funds the BBC. By the way I am an American who lives and works here. I last lived outside of Boston. Mark -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 October 2008 16:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But that's your government adding taxes...BTW, you guys still get taxed on tv's? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I am paying about $8 a gallon here in the UK. No sympathy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 21:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Paid, 2.02 this morning (San Antonio Texas) -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Lol, I paid $2.59 yesterday, and was thankful (California) Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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Agreed on killing the politics part ot the thread. As for the increase in spending nice. I just got told yesterday to expect another 4%+ cut in all budgets this fiscal year to keep it simple it was 15% last year, 15% more this year on top of last years 15% and now another 4%. We actually got asked if cutting people was a good idea. If my boss had not been present I would have agreed to cut people. We have one that only comes in 2 days a week and still gets full salary that amounts to half to half of the 4% they want to cut. Jon On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Link [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Stu, Can we setup a sunbelt-politics list to move this discussion there? (that's a hint to call this thread quits) I have my opinions, I share them when appropriate, this is not an appropraite forum. As to the original topic, we're an accounting firm, and we're planning on increased spending. Since I haven't finalized my budget yet, I can't say by how much, but probably about 15%. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like fun (over-seas assignment, that is). Although I assume your cost of living is higher than if in the US.? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? TV's are not taxed. You pay a TV license each year that funds the BBC. By the way I am an American who lives and works here. I last lived outside of Boston. Mark -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 October 2008 16:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? But that's your government adding taxes...BTW, you guys still get taxed on tv's? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Memorial Medical Center 231-845-2319 -Original Message- From: Kelsay, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I am paying about $8 a gallon here in the UK. No sympathy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2008 21:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Paid, 2.02 this morning (San Antonio Texas) -Original Message- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Lol, I paid $2.59 yesterday, and was thankful (California) Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized
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Hi All, Let's end this thread as it has gone off topic. Warm regards, Stu .. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Heh. Nope, we need a spending decrease. Kill a few government programs, save a lot of money. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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We are expected to have a conversation about the recession WITHOUT bringing up politics? They go hand and hand. Let me remind you that is was Sunbelt that triggered the question, which I do think was a great, thoughtful question. Personally, I get tired of everyone's impatience and intolerance for political conversations. This election, and the state of our economy is an urgent matter right now. I know this list is supposed to be IT related, but we have many peers in this list. We should be taking the time right now to talk to our peers about the economy and the direction of our country. It seems odd to me that the gross sexual innuendoes on this list are perfectly acceptable, but politics aren't. There are ONLY 5 days till the election. I say we lighten up on the rules for a bit until the election is over :) IMO. Then we can go back to our regular scheduled programming. If you can't stand the heat, don't follow the thread. Stu, you make the rules, in no way am I trying to side-step that. I'm just sharing my opinion. No harm intended. Thanks. Sam -Original Message- From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [LIST ADMIN MESSAGE[] RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Importance: High Hi All, Let's end this thread as it has gone off topic. Warm regards, Stu .. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE The Red Sox couldn't even get there without Manny...:) -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal
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Interesting comment considering 70% of those that have more than $10M in net worth stand support the democratic ticket. Ralph Smith wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Link? From: Klint Price - ArizonaITPro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Interesting comment considering 70% of those that have more than $10M in net worth stand support the democratic ticket. Ralph Smith wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: Classified When was the last time a NY team won the WS? OHh yeah: My steelers are going to pay you back for the suck out on Sunday,,, End Classification: Z -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE The Red Sox couldn't even get there without Manny...:) -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? LOL they shouldn't have been in it anyways, it should have been the RED SOX, But still was rooting for the Phillies to take it was too sweet to see. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I feel for you. I would have thought before the series that they would have taken it. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just rub it in, My Rays lost...All the world is falling apart -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't
Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
I saw the post to abandon the thread after catching up to the list, but here is the link: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/13/the-rich-support-mccain-the-super-rich-support-obama/ Rod Trent wrote: Link? *From:* Klint Price - ArizonaITPro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 3:35 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Interesting comment considering 70% of those that have more than $10M in net worth stand support the democratic ticket. Ralph Smith wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Interesting - source? And I'm uncertain what conclusion I am supposed to draw. It could mean that 70% of those who are very wealthy 1. Know that in the long run they will be better off giving back their tax cut and supporting the middle class. or 2. Feel guilty about hording the wealth and want to 'spread it around'. 3. Are Chinese. 4. Have no idea what they are talking about. 5. Are secret socialists. 6. Want to be seen as non-racist. 7. Believe that they ARE the middle class. 8. Are gay and want to get married. 9. Are having nightmares about President Palin. 10. Secretly wish someone HAD taught them sex ed, even if it was in kindergarten. -Original Message- From: Klint Price - ArizonaITPro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Interesting comment considering 70% of those that have more than $10M in net worth stand support the democratic ticket. Ralph Smith wrote: I would think lowing taxes to increase government revenue would only work if the money is funneled back into the US economy in a productive way. So if the money from tax cuts is distributed to big corporations who use it to invest in offshore projects, and the benefits of that investment stay mostly in that country, that doesn't really help us. If you cut taxes on the very upper tier of the income brackets, and they just put that money away to increase their personal capital or sock it away in other countries so as to avoid paying taxes on the income it generates, that doesn't help us either. Now if you cut taxes for lower and middle class Americans, and small businesses, they will spend that extra money. Then it is productive and increases demand, which produces jobs, and increases government revenue. Anyway that's how I see it. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If you believe the people who say it does, take a careful look at which end of the income spectrum they are on - maybe they have a reason for wanting you to believe it. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Except for the fact, that lowering taxes is how you increase revenue to the government. Raising taxes lowers revenue. The problems that Bush has caused are not due to tax cuts, but rather the fact that he grew the federal government faster and bigger than most liberals would have (even honest conservatives will tell you he stunk that one up). TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are a broke nation. We need a tax increase - like it or not. Maybe they can be lowered again if/when we have another surplus. But right now there are nations (primarily China) who have the potential to financially dismantle us. They promise not to, but they could. Talking actual cuts in taxes is ludicrous. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait was the tax increase at 250,000 , 200,000 or 150,000 ?? it keeps changing. What they ARENT mentioning is EVERYONES taxes will go up because they aren't renewing the Bush Tax Cut in 2010. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination
RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED)
LOL keep dreaming.. I wanna see Willie Parker and the crew walk all over Washington.. Steelers D bringing it Z -Original Message- From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) You're Steelers are going down Monday night! Shook a.k.a. die hard 'skins fan... -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: Classified When was the last time a NY team won the WS? OHh yeah: My steelers are going to pay you back for the suck out on Sunday,,, End Classification: Z ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
To the top few percent, they have money all over the world. Raising taxes here and there in the grand scheme of things doesnt make much difference. America levies pretty hefty taxes, and I think it was something like the top 5% earners pay about 50% of the taxes in this country, between income tax, luxury tax etc. Now you want those same 5% to pay another 10%? Or 20%? Notice how the bar keeps sliding, it went from 250k, to 200k and Biden even said 150k the other day. 150k for a dual working family is far from rich! And to pay another 1,500.00/yr or so in taxes (forget higher prices on top) only means no vacation that year, or wait an extra year to buy that car, or upgrade the house. People who make money know HOW to make it, they treat a dollar like an employee, having the dollar sit in a bank does not make more revenue for them. trickle down economics work because if you can get more people to buy more of your goods then you make more money. Then you hire more people because production is up, and then profits go up with it. Raising taxes, means you do more with less, because sales go down because you have to raise the price of your goods to compensate for the higher tax. The thing that disgusts me is that people think they are entitled to more. In the tax cut for 95% of America, 40% of those dont pay income tax. So the only way to lower their tax any more is to give them a check, that is called welfare, the government handing out checks for money you didnt earn, this is also called socialism as a common definition. So if 40% of America is going to get a check back then 40% of America is in a welfare system. The problem is these programs for people are out there. When I was struggling we were on Medicaid when my wife got pregnant and were taken care of just great. The programs are there, people think they deserve a check. Did anyone see the woman complaining about how she can only afford ½ gallon of milk and not a full gallon. First off she was extremely overweight so food didnt seem to be a problem, there was a 2 liter coke bottle in the background, and she had those long curvy designed nails, which costs about 50 bucks. So while shes crying she cant afford milk, she can afford soda, and to get her nails done. I guess she will get a nice big check so she can get her nails done more often. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I get irritated. Im a small business owner with a minority partner. Our revenue is what it is. But weve already got a 40% tax bite PLUS what it costs us to run the business (supplies, travel, marketing TANSTAAFL). Its a VERY rare week when I get to work only 40 hours a week. And yet because I work hard for my money, I was willing to take a risk and go out on my own, and was somewhat successful I should pay even MORE for that? Even after the self-employment tax I already pay? Bah. Its almost enough to make me want to go flip burgers. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? To the top few percent, they have money all over the world. Raising taxes here and there in the grand scheme of things doesnt make much difference. America levies pretty hefty taxes, and I think it was something like the top 5% earners pay about 50% of the taxes in this country, between income tax, luxury tax etc. Now you want those same 5% to pay another 10%? Or 20%? Notice how the bar keeps sliding, it went from 250k, to 200k and Biden even said 150k the other day. 150k for a dual working family is far from rich! And to pay another 1,500.00/yr or so in taxes (forget higher prices on top) only means no vacation that year, or wait an extra year to buy that car, or upgrade the house. People who make money know HOW to make it, they treat a dollar like an employee, having the dollar sit in a bank does not make more revenue for them. trickle down economics work because if you can get more people to buy more of your goods then you make more money. Then you hire more people because production is up, and then profits go up with it. Raising taxes, means you do more with less, because sales go down because you have to raise the price of your goods to compensate for the higher tax. The thing that disgusts me is that people think they are entitled to more. In the tax cut for 95% of America, 40% of those dont pay income tax. So the only way to lower their tax any more is to give them a check, that is called welfare, the government handing out checks for money you didnt earn, this is also called socialism as a common definition. So if 40% of America is going to get a check back then 40% of America is in a welfare system. The problem is these programs for people are out there. When I was struggling we were on Medicaid when my wife got pregnant and were taken care of just great. The programs are there, people think they deserve a check. Did anyone see the woman complaining about how she can only afford ½ gallon of milk and not a full gallon. First off she was extremely overweight so food didnt seem to be a problem, there was a 2 liter coke bottle in the background, and she had those long curvy designed nails, which costs about 50 bucks. So while shes crying she cant afford milk, she can afford soda, and to get her nails done. I guess she will get a nice big check so she can get her nails done more often. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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www.kleenex.com On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get irritated. I'm a small business owner with a minority partner. Our revenue is what it is. But we've already got a 40% tax bite PLUS what it costs us to run the business (supplies, travel, marketing – TANSTAAFL). It's a VERY rare week when I get to work only 40 hours a week. And yet…because I work hard for my money, I was willing to take a risk and go out on my own, and was somewhat successful – I should pay even MORE for that? Even after the self-employment tax I already pay? Bah. It's almost enough to make me want to go flip burgers. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? To the top few percent, they have money all over the world. Raising taxes here and there in the grand scheme of things doesn't make much difference. America levies pretty hefty taxes, and I think it was something like the top 5% earners pay about 50% of the taxes in this country, between income tax, luxury tax etc. Now you want those same 5% to pay another 10%? Or 20%? Notice how the bar keeps sliding, it went from 250k, to 200k and Biden even said 150k the other day. 150k for a dual working family is far from rich! And to pay another 1,500.00/yr or so in taxes (forget higher prices on top) only means no vacation that year, or wait an extra year to buy that car, or upgrade the house. People who make money know HOW to make it, they treat a dollar like an employee, having the dollar sit in a bank does not make more revenue for them. trickle down economics work because if you can get more people to buy more of your goods then you make more money. Then you hire more people because production is up, and then profits go up with it. Raising taxes, means you do more with less, because sales go down because you have to raise the price of your goods to compensate for the higher tax. The thing that disgusts me is that people think they are entitled to more. In the tax cut for 95% of America, 40% of those don't pay income tax. So the only way to lower their tax any more is to give them a check, that is called welfare, the government handing out checks for money you didn't earn, this is also called socialism as a common definition. So if 40% of America is going to get a 'check' back then 40% of America is in a welfare system. The problem is these programs for people are out there. When I was struggling we were on Medicaid when my wife got pregnant and were taken care of just great. The programs are there, people think they deserve a check. Did anyone see the woman complaining about how she can only afford ½ gallon of milk and not a full gallon. First off she was extremely overweight so food didn't seem to be a problem, there was a 2 liter coke bottle in the background, and she had those long curvy designed nails, which costs about 50 bucks. So while shes crying she cant afford milk, she can afford soda, and to get her nails done. I guess she will get a nice big 'check' so she can get her nails done more often. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED)
-- Was at the Skins/Browns game... Good run under Zorny so far, eh? -sc -Original Message- From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) You're Steelers are going down Monday night! Shook a.k.a. die hard 'skins fan... -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: Classified When was the last time a NY team won the WS? OHh yeah: My steelers are going to pay you back for the suck out on Sunday,,, End Classification: Z ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Thanks William. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: WL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? www.kleenex.com On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get irritated. I'm a small business owner with a minority partner. Our revenue is what it is. But we've already got a 40% tax bite PLUS what it costs us to run the business (supplies, travel, marketing TANSTAAFL). It's a VERY rare week when I get to work only 40 hours a week. And yet because I work hard for my money, I was willing to take a risk and go out on my own, and was somewhat successful I should pay even MORE for that? Even after the self-employment tax I already pay? Bah. It's almost enough to make me want to go flip burgers. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? To the top few percent, they have money all over the world. Raising taxes here and there in the grand scheme of things doesn't make much difference. America levies pretty hefty taxes, and I think it was something like the top 5% earners pay about 50% of the taxes in this country, between income tax, luxury tax etc. Now you want those same 5% to pay another 10%? Or 20%? Notice how the bar keeps sliding, it went from 250k, to 200k and Biden even said 150k the other day. 150k for a dual working family is far from rich! And to pay another 1,500.00/yr or so in taxes (forget higher prices on top) only means no vacation that year, or wait an extra year to buy that car, or upgrade the house. People who make money know HOW to make it, they treat a dollar like an employee, having the dollar sit in a bank does not make more revenue for them. trickle down economics work because if you can get more people to buy more of your goods then you make more money. Then you hire more people because production is up, and then profits go up with it. Raising taxes, means you do more with less, because sales go down because you have to raise the price of your goods to compensate for the higher tax. The thing that disgusts me is that people think they are entitled to more. In the tax cut for 95% of America, 40% of those don't pay income tax. So the only way to lower their tax any more is to give them a check, that is called welfare, the government handing out checks for money you didn't earn, this is also called socialism as a common definition. So if 40% of America is going to get a 'check' back then 40% of America is in a welfare system. The problem is these programs for people are out there. When I was struggling we were on Medicaid when my wife got pregnant and were taken care of just great. The programs are there, people think they deserve a check. Did anyone see the woman complaining about how she can only afford ½ gallon of milk and not a full gallon. First off she was extremely overweight so food didn't seem to be a problem, there was a 2 liter coke bottle in the background, and she had those long curvy designed nails, which costs about 50 bucks. So while shes crying she cant afford milk, she can afford soda, and to get her nails done. I guess she will get a nice big 'check' so she can get her nails done more often. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I love politics and love talking about the issues and the candidates. However, the issue is a pragmatic one: Sunbelt manages a lot of professional lists, and generally, political and religious discussions are banned because they a) create an enormous amount of off-topic banter, b) they inevitably end up with personal insults and hurt feelings and c) they go against the original purpose of the professional list (in this case, to share information on IT issues). There are great places to get into political discussions -- my personal observation (and those of many others) is that this type of dialog shouldn't be permitted on professional lists simply for practical reasons. If this group allows more political discussion, we will create a few vicious enemies and lots of hurt feelings. For what reason? For an honest and open dialog? No, it's nothing like that. It's simply inviting list anarchy. Alex -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: [LIST ADMIN MESSAGE[] RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are expected to have a conversation about the recession WITHOUT bringing up politics? They go hand and hand. Let me remind you that is was Sunbelt that triggered the question, which I do think was a great, thoughtful question. Personally, I get tired of everyone's impatience and intolerance for political conversations. This election, and the state of our economy is an urgent matter right now. I know this list is supposed to be IT related, but we have many peers in this list. We should be taking the time right now to talk to our peers about the economy and the direction of our country. It seems odd to me that the gross sexual innuendoes on this list are perfectly acceptable, but politics aren't. There are ONLY 5 days till the election. I say we lighten up on the rules for a bit until the election is over :) IMO. Then we can go back to our regular scheduled programming. If you can't stand the heat, don't follow the thread. Stu, you make the rules, in no way am I trying to side-step that. I'm just sharing my opinion. No harm intended. Thanks. Sam -Original Message- From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [LIST ADMIN MESSAGE[] RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Importance: High Hi All, Let's end this thread as it has gone off topic. Warm regards, Stu .. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
I'm in the Pharma space and we are doing very well. We just went over my budget for next year, and now are prioritizing it (must have, nice to have, don't need right now). Not many of my items have made it to the don't need right now rating. -Joe -- Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Gene Giannamore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a Project Management company (minority owned small business). We also do a lot of gov and mil jobs also. We are an 8(a) general contractor. I have been told we live and die via Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR). We don't spend much per year, but we haven't slowed spending much recently, and if things keep going the way they have, we may not have a normal slow season this winter (or so I am told). Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Devin Meade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are commercial architecture and enginnering firm. We are pretty diversified. We do a LOT of military and govt jobs at many levels, some educational work. We are hiring left and right. We expanded our facilities a year ago - added about 30 cubicles and they are almost full now. Total around 120 to 130 employees at any time. Next Tuesday may change the govt landscape, about a year out from now, but we have plenty of work in the pipeline. We purchased about 90 high end workstations/laptops in Jan of this year. We upgraded the whole shebang to AutoCAD/Revit 2009 suite which aint cheap. Then we bought a few licenses of microstation v9(?). Then upgraded a bunch of engineering apps for Vista (that was fun). We will prob replace most of our real servers this year (5 PowerEdge's 29xx and 28xx's) and move to Exch 2007 on VMWare ESX if I have my say. I am pretty much able to ask for anything and get it within reason, and to ring my own bell thats because I only ask for things that we can use. Heck last year I asked for double take for our main file server and got it approved in minutes. Never had to use it though. If I want I could show up at 5AM and leave at 10PM. If anyone knows any experienced project manager types that could move to Oklahoma, email me off list (I get a bonus if you hire on!). Over and out. -Devin On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're all the admins who actually buy the stuff that people like Sunbelt (and many, many others make). How are you seeing the recession impact your buying decisions? Are you being told to hold off until later? Is it business as usual? Or is it a bloodletting? Are you still buying cheap stuff but not buying expensive stuff? Etc., etc. Maybe I'm opening the Pandora's Box here, but I think we need to all look at the situation realistically. Alex -- Devin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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FYI: I block mail with the word pharma unless it comes from a known sender. Something to think about. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Joe Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the Pharma space and we are doing very well. We just went over my budget for next year, and now are prioritizing it (must have, nice to have, don't need right now). Not many of my items have made it to the don't need right now rating. -Joe -- Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Gene Giannamore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a Project Management company (minority owned small business). We also do a lot of gov and mil jobs also. We are an 8(a) general contractor. I have been told we live and die via Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR). We don't spend much per year, but we haven't slowed spending much recently, and if things keep going the way they have, we may not have a normal slow season this winter (or so I am told). Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Devin Meade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are commercial architecture and enginnering firm. We are pretty diversified. We do a LOT of military and govt jobs at many levels, some educational work. We are hiring left and right. We expanded our facilities a year ago - added about 30 cubicles and they are almost full now. Total around 120 to 130 employees at any time. Next Tuesday may change the govt landscape, about a year out from now, but we have plenty of work in the pipeline. We purchased about 90 high end workstations/laptops in Jan of this year. We upgraded the whole shebang to AutoCAD/Revit 2009 suite which aint cheap. Then we bought a few licenses of microstation v9(?). Then upgraded a bunch of engineering apps for Vista (that was fun). We will prob replace most of our real servers this year (5 PowerEdge's 29xx and 28xx's) and move to Exch 2007 on VMWare ESX if I have my say. I am pretty much able to ask for anything and get it within reason, and to ring my own bell thats because I only ask for things that we can use. Heck last year I asked for double take for our main file server and got it approved in minutes. Never had to use it though. If I want I could show up at 5AM and leave at 10PM. If anyone knows any experienced project manager types that could move to Oklahoma, email me off list (I get a bonus if you hire on!). Over and out. -Devin On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're all the admins who actually buy the stuff that people like Sunbelt (and many, many others make). How are you seeing the recession impact your buying decisions? Are you being told to hold off until later? Is it business as usual? Or is it a bloodletting? Are you still buying cheap stuff but not buying expensive stuff? Etc., etc. Maybe I'm opening the Pandora's Box here, but I think we need to all look at the situation realistically. Alex -- Devin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Hrm. You'd block lots of email from me. A number of my clients (and my business partner) operate exclusively in the pharmacology and biotech space. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? FYI: I block mail with the word pharma unless it comes from a known sender. Something to think about. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Joe Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the Pharma space and we are doing very well. We just went over my budget for next year, and now are prioritizing it (must have, nice to have, don't need right now). Not many of my items have made it to the don't need right now rating. -Joe -- Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Gene Giannamore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a Project Management company (minority owned small business). We also do a lot of gov and mil jobs also. We are an 8(a) general contractor. I have been told we live and die via Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR). We don't spend much per year, but we haven't slowed spending much recently, and if things keep going the way they have, we may not have a normal slow season this winter (or so I am told). Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Devin Meade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are commercial architecture and enginnering firm. We are pretty diversified. We do a LOT of military and govt jobs at many levels, some educational work. We are hiring left and right. We expanded our facilities a year ago - added about 30 cubicles and they are almost full now. Total around 120 to 130 employees at any time. Next Tuesday may change the govt landscape, about a year out from now, but we have plenty of work in the pipeline. We purchased about 90 high end workstations/laptops in Jan of this year. We upgraded the whole shebang to AutoCAD/Revit 2009 suite which aint cheap. Then we bought a few licenses of microstation v9(?). Then upgraded a bunch of engineering apps for Vista (that was fun). We will prob replace most of our real servers this year (5 PowerEdge's 29xx and 28xx's) and move to Exch 2007 on VMWare ESX if I have my say. I am pretty much able to ask for anything and get it within reason, and to ring my own bell thats because I only ask for things that we can use. Heck last year I asked for double take for our main file server and got it approved in minutes. Never had to use it though. If I want I could show up at 5AM and leave at 10PM. If anyone knows any experienced project manager types that could move to Oklahoma, email me off list (I get a bonus if you hire on!). Over and out. -Devin On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're all the admins who actually buy the stuff that people like Sunbelt (and many, many others make). How are you seeing the recession impact your buying decisions? Are you being told to hold off until later? Is it business as usual? Or is it a bloodletting? Are you still buying cheap stuff but not buying expensive stuff? Etc., etc. Maybe I'm opening the Pandora's Box here, but I think we need to all look at the situation realistically. Alex -- Devin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
If I had a relationship with you, then you would be whitelisted (and on my speed dial). But in terms of unsolicited one-offs, the abbreviated pharma is a heavily used spam term (e.g. regex: \bpharma\b). If you were to email me a one-off regarding pharmacology, pharmaceutical, etc., there would be no block based on the full/proper terms. Its just all food-for-thought. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hrm. You'd block lots of email from me. A number of my clients (and my business partner) operate exclusively in the pharmacology and biotech space. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? FYI: I block mail with the word pharma unless it comes from a known sender. Something to think about. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Joe Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the Pharma space and we are doing very well. We just went over my budget for next year, and now are prioritizing it (must have, nice to have, don't need right now). Not many of my items have made it to the don't need right now rating. -Joe -- Joe Fox Systems/Network Administrator Mobile# (716) 846-9308 http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Gene Giannamore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a Project Management company (minority owned small business). We also do a lot of gov and mil jobs also. We are an 8(a) general contractor. I have been told we live and die via Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR). We don't spend much per year, but we haven't slowed spending much recently, and if things keep going the way they have, we may not have a normal slow season this winter (or so I am told). Gene Giannamore Abide International Inc. Technical Support 561 1st Street West Sonoma,Ca.95476 (707) 935-1577Office (707) 935-9387Fax (707) 766-4185 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Devin Meade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? We are commercial architecture and enginnering firm. We are pretty diversified. We do a LOT of military and govt jobs at many levels, some educational work. We are hiring left and right. We expanded our facilities a year ago - added about 30 cubicles and they are almost full now. Total around 120 to 130 employees at any time. Next Tuesday may change the govt landscape, about a year out from now, but we have plenty of work in the pipeline. We purchased about 90 high end workstations/laptops in Jan of this year. We upgraded the whole shebang to AutoCAD/Revit 2009 suite which aint cheap. Then we bought a few licenses of microstation v9(?). Then upgraded a bunch of engineering apps for Vista (that was fun). We will prob replace most of our real servers this year (5 PowerEdge's 29xx and 28xx's) and move to Exch 2007 on VMWare ESX if I have my say. I am pretty much able to ask for anything and get it within reason, and to ring my own bell thats because I only ask for things that we can use. Heck last year I asked for double take for our main file server and got it approved in minutes. Never had to use it though. If I want I could show up at 5AM and leave at 10PM. If anyone knows any experienced project manager types that could move to Oklahoma, email me off list (I get a bonus if you hire on!). Over and out. -Devin On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're all the admins who actually buy the stuff that people like Sunbelt (and many, many others make). How are you seeing the recession impact your buying decisions? Are you being told to hold off until later? Is it business as usual? Or is it a bloodletting? Are you still buying cheap stuff but not buying expensive stuff? Etc., etc. Maybe I'm opening the Pandora's Box here, but I think we need to all look at the situation realistically. Alex -- Devin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE
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+1! -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Heh. If you wanted a choice for freedom, you shoulda supported Ron Paul, or perhaps Bob Barr. Neither Obama nor McCain understand the concept, or if they do, they don't believe the American public deserves it. On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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OH Brother!! Politics, how about some religious views too? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last month for the first time so I think the end of the skid is coming to a close. (Thank God) On this end, I have seen a noticeable drop off in business, as a consultant, however, nothing worse than usual as the end of year is coming up and all the holidays, usually November/December are slow and I get a couple of big projects with the downtime, so we will see if I get those approved. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Hahaha...Like I said neither was perfect, and Bush was pro amnesty as well, which is all just political maneuvering.. The level of Obama's is a bit more involved than McCain-Kennedy act, its just the less of two evils. I guess with politics its not really about whats right, about which is better. From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Hey - I liked her campaign video! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security…… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I got those too, but I do agree Phil that I probably should have just kept it to the issue of how is it affecting business. Right now..SMB clients are slowing, less new projects and more stretching what they have. More from fear than actual loss of business or revenue. If you are in managed services or maintenance its good. We have seen several competitors close up already or sell off. Many of our clients are reevaluating contracts, looking to extend terms for new rates, look harder at numbers...We had a dozen hedge fund companies we managed go poof in a week, and some went through the roof. We are preparing for a 30% cut in new business, which means hiring less and crosstraining more. The next few months will be slower than normal but like Ben we will have a surge in the first of the year and then I expect it to tank as the cumulative effects of the last month or so trickle down into the SMB space. Its always 3-6 months behind in terms of economic impact. Greg From: Phil Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? OH Brother!! Politics, how about some religious views too? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last month for the first time so I think
RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
You might as well vote for the Chihuahua in her purse...It would be both smarter and better looking. ;-) TVK -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? I had Paris for President Because Hot and Stupid is better than just Stupid Bumper stickers made. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hey - I liked her campaign video! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions?
Hmm. I dont find her all that hot. And even if she was teh fine, she's still a skank. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Paris for President Because Hot and Stupid is better than just Stupid Bumper stickers made. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hey - I liked her campaign video! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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And either candidate is less of a whore than her? I am really. We will be paying either of them to screw us for 4 to 8 years. Wait that makes us the whore This whole thing is confusing. I am going back into timeout -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hmm. I dont find her all that hot. And even if she was teh fine, she's still a skank. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Paris for President Because Hot and Stupid is better than just Stupid Bumper stickers made. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hey - I liked her campaign video! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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If we're paying, we're the John, not the whore ;)... Sean Rector, MCSE -Original Message- From: David McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? And either candidate is less of a whore than her? I am really. We will be paying either of them to screw us for 4 to 8 years. Wait that makes us the whore This whole thing is confusing. I am going back into timeout -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hmm. I dont find her all that hot. And even if she was teh fine, she's still a skank. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Paris for President Because Hot and Stupid is better than just Stupid Bumper stickers made. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hey - I liked her campaign video! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Virginia Opera's 2008-2009 Season ... Viva la passione! IL TROVATORE - THE ELIXIR OF LOVE - TOSCA - THE BARBER OF SEVILLE Visit us online at www.vaopera.org or call 1-866-OPERA-VA (1-866-673-7282). Subscribe or purchase tickets online now! This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). Unless otherwise specified, persons unnamed as recipients may not read, distribute, copy or alter this e-mail. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail belong to the author and may not necessarily represent those of Virginia Opera. Although precautions have been taken to ensure no viruses are present, Virginia Opera cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that may arise from the use of this e-mail or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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LOL. Touche'... -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:21 PM, David McSpadden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And either candidate is less of a whore than her? I am really. We will be paying either of them to screw us for 4 to 8 years. Wait that makes us the whore This whole thing is confusing. I am going back into timeout -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hmm. I dont find her all that hot. And even if she was teh fine, she's still a skank. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Paris for President Because Hot and Stupid is better than just Stupid Bumper stickers made. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Hey - I liked her campaign video! On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Kennedy, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part below surprises me since it is actually McCain that introduced the McCain-Kennedy amnesty act, and almost got it passed two years ago. And McCain has been very clear that this will be a priority of his administration if elected. This issue is hardly on Obama's radar. On this issue Obama is the lesser of two evils. Me, I wrote in Paris Hilton on my absentee ballot. True story. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last month for the first time so I think the end of the skid is coming to a close. (Thank God) On this end, I have seen a noticeable drop off in business, as a consultant, however, nothing worse than usual as the end of year is coming up and all the holidays, usually November/December are slow and I get a couple of big projects with the downtime, so we will see if I get those approved. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last month for the first time so I think the end of the skid is coming to a close
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Even socialists are laughing at the idea of Obama being called socialist. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last month for the first time so I think the end of the skid is coming to a close. (Thank God) On this end, I have seen a noticeable drop off in business, as a consultant, however, nothing worse than usual as the end of year is coming up and all the holidays, usually November/December are slow and I get a couple of big projects with the downtime, so we will see if I get those approved. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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China is backing him. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Even socialists are laughing at the idea of Obama being called socialist. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last month for the first time so I think the end of the skid is coming to a close. (Thank God) On this end, I have seen a noticeable drop off in business, as a consultant, however, nothing worse than usual as the end of year is coming up and all the holidays, usually November/December are slow and I get a couple of big projects with the downtime, so we will see if I
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LOL u arent serious? U right winger U :) Grin Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? China is backing him. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Even socialists are laughing at the idea of Obama being called socialist. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational system which has grown by 440% in costs should be able to not be cutting budgets. IMO I think no matter who the President is everything will be better afterwards, whether we get the big spender and everyone sells stuff to the govt and we can cut out healthcare and use the govt's system to save money, or the cost saver gets in and it goes back to business as usual. Bush isn't going to do anything between now and then so that's probably why everything is topsy turvey, home sales went up last
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Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox, back to regularly scheduled tech support. From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? The college educational
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On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you want, is a government large enough to take everything you have. -- Henry Ford Ok off soapbox
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A very interesting read that highlights the stereotyped snapshots that one cultures gets of another... But a Beijing friend is not tantamount to backing him as a country/foreign power. The Chinese government has been very careful to be neutral regarding this issue. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am serious. They were tentative about him to start out, but they've really warmed to him recently. Some are saying it is because his beliefs fall more in line with the Chinese gov't. However, this recent article made a bit more sense: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/opinion/23kristof.html -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? LOL u arent serious? U right winger U :) Grin Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? China is backing him. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Even socialists are laughing at the idea of Obama being called socialist. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my actions, but I will vote for whoever is going to promise me everything. Remember this. A Government large enough to give you everything you
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WOW! Where is this? I dont think I have seen anything close to that in over 5 years. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the positive side -- I found gas at $1.89/gallon today. -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? Wellthe economy pretty much sucks here in PA too, BUT the Phillies just won the World Series, so the pain is numbed for a few days, at least. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer Information Services Department Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Ph: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 www.prufoxroach.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? It aint no bed of roses up here in RI... I wish I was down in PA... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? For some of us, the irony is on the fact that those who live in the most socialist parts of our country never seem to be able to figure out why the economy is so much worse in their area in comparison to other parts of the US. (i.e. - MI, MA, RI) TVK -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Re: So... how is the recession affecting your buying decisions? roflwaffes. Our economy is already well socialized at the state and federal levels. Edging it to be more (hopefully only for a short term) or less for the welfare of a very hurting country is not necessarily a bad thing - for the good of the country. Not that you are, but to brand him a socialist, or any ideas he is pushing as socialism, is silly IMO. Our economy is a blend of capitalist and socialist ideals. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not a great day to retort on this, but you will either agree or hunt me down.. 2009 is going to be a bad year in the economy. You don't bounce back from a trillion dollar globalwide investment loss, the largest downslide in the economy in over 70 years and a huge unemployment number.. I also don't care who is the President, they are not going to fix our problem. The president is a part of the checks and balances when it comes to the bills congress puts through, and yes he has an agenda and will push it with Congress; making it harder or easier to pass bills..Good or BAD. I can also tell you that I will be voting for McCain for the simple fact that Obama is moving this country toward a socialized economy no matter how you dress up the words. He wants to increase the taxes for me as a business owner and redistribute it in the form of higher taxes and a bloated government. Not to mention his provision for bring in illegals and giving them a driver license, benefits, social security(Which who will pay for that? You and I that's who). The welfare system kicked into high gear.I did not work my butt off 60 to 70 hours a week to have someone who wants to sit on their butt for a year and take 60% welfare checks because McDonalds doesn't pay as much... among other personal value decisions.. If you have worked hard and saved you should not be penalized and your wealth redistributed simply because someone does not have as much. The very essence of this country was built upon hardwork and ingenuity, those who don't want to work and work hard are not entitled to the benefits of wealth from those that do. Also provide 100% healthcare..A noble goal, but the reality is that 100% healthcare is universal socialization and everyone paying a large piece to redistribute to everyone else who doesn't and the quality of care drops. Look at France...They pay CSG and CDRS(Healthcare, Social Security) taxes against their income and then their tax bracket after those taxes is up to 50%, this can equate to 60%+ of your income to taxes... Oh and to further my soapbox, One of the largest reasons we are where we are is a lack of personal responsibility (Mostly Wall Street and the Banks being greedy and making bad business decisions) and then demanding that our government pay for the mistakes of business owners, people who buy homes and cars we had no business buying, and saying, Save me, I am a stupid person who takes no responsibility or my
