RE: Virtualisation software
Hi Agreed But we have 2003 cals and I thought that if we ran 2008 server even the hyper V we would need 2008 cals as we were Accessing a 2008 server (although indirectly) Regards Nigel From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: 20 September 2011 13:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn't matter what you are running on the host - you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashx http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2- V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
RE: Virtualisation software
If you were to use the Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 (The non-full-blown-windows one), you should be fine. In other configurations, I'm not so sure. You will need to hammer out the details of the licensing. Likely you will need to update your CALs. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:20:05 -0700 Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi Agreed But we have 2003 cals and I thought that if we ran 2008 server even the hyper V we would need 2008 cals as we were Accessing a 2008 server (although indirectly) Regards Nigel From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: 20 September 2011 13:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn't matter what you are running on the host - you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashx http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2- V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e
Re: Virtualisation software
To be honest, with Windows 'Server 8' looking to come out late next year and the way budget cycles work, I'd say now is a good to time to start planning for your future direction and budget needs. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: If you were to use the Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 (The non-full-blown-windows one), you should be fine. In other configurations, I'm not so sure. You will need to hammer out the details of the licensing. Likely you will need to update your CALs. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:20:05 -0700 Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi Agreed But we have 2003 cals and I thought that if we ran 2008 server even the hyper V we would need 2008 cals as we were Accessing a 2008 server (although indirectly) Regards Nigel From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: 20 September 2011 13:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn't matter what you are running on the host - you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashx http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2- V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free
RE: Virtualisation software
Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 (the free server core) doesn't require CAL's in and of itself, you only need CAL's for the VM's you are running on it. On the bottom of this page is a link for licensing details: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/hyper-v-server/buy.aspx From that page: A Windows Server 2008 CAL must be purchased for every user or device that accesses or uses Windows Server 2008 or Windows Server 2008 R2, except under the following circumstances * If the instances of the server software are accessed only through the Internet, without access being authenticated or otherwise individually identified by the server software or through any other means. * If the server software being accessed is Windows Web Server 2008, Windows Web Server 2008 R2, Windows Server 2008 Foundation, or Windows Server 2008 R2 Foundation. * If external users are accessing the instances of the server software and if a Windows Server 2008 External Connector license for each server being accessed has been acquired. * If up to two devices or users are accessing the instances of the server software for the purpose of administering those instances. Last but not least * If Windows Server 2008 R2 serves solely as a virtualization host (CALs for the appropriate edition of Windows Server running in the virtual machine(s) are still required). Dave -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software If you were to use the Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 (The non-full-blown-windows one), you should be fine. In other configurations, I'm not so sure. You will need to hammer out the details of the licensing. Likely you will need to update your CALs. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:20:05 -0700 Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi Agreed But we have 2003 cals and I thought that if we ran 2008 server even the hyper V we would need 2008 cals as we were Accessing a 2008 server (although indirectly) Regards Nigel From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: 20 September 2011 13:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn't matter what you are running on the host - you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=35 12 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free
RE: Virtualisation software
Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualisation software
No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those
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And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn't matter what you are running on the host - you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.comhttp://www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana
Re: Virtualisation software
We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any
Re: Virtualisation software
I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only
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Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK
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No. They're not... Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider
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That was merely a throw away example. We got lots of licenses for lots of stuff on 'em :) But when we order a vmware host, we order a set of licenses for them. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: No. They're not... Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I
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Ah yes, 2 processor minimum... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: No. They're not... Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329
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If you're starting out, without any existing licensing, Datacenter is almost a no brainer. My challenge is transitioning to Datacenter. That will likely happen at the next server OS release. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: That was merely a throw away example. We got lots of licenses for lots of stuff on 'em :) But when we order a vmware host, we order a set of licenses for them. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: No. They're not... Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version
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They changed it with 2008 or 2008 R2. Arguably we don't need 2 socket vSphere hosts but you get to a situation where the OS licenses cost a basic minimum which makes buying a second socket a no-brainer. Still quite scary how few VM's you need before Datacenter becomes viable though, plus of course you can make Enterprise your default image so you don't get tripped up six months later if you want to do clustering or something that needs Enterprise. From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com] Sent: 20 September 2011 5:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software Ah yes, 2 processor minimum... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: No. They're not... Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.commailto:don@gmail.com wrote: Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.commailto:sep...@gmail.com wrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep
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That depends. If you have software assurance then the upgrade costs from ENT to DC licensing should be pretty cheap. There are substantial cost savings to be had by going with DC. - Sean On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: If you're starting out, without any existing licensing, Datacenter is almost a no brainer. My challenge is transitioning to Datacenter. That will likely happen at the next server OS release. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: That was merely a throw away example. We got lots of licenses for lots of stuff on 'em :) But when we order a vmware host, we order a set of licenses for them. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: No. They're not... Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.comwrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject
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No such luck here. Much of my licensing is a legacy of my predecessor. I've added some as needed to fill in missing gaps. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: That depends. If you have software assurance then the upgrade costs from ENT to DC licensing should be pretty cheap. There are substantial cost savings to be had by going with DC. - Sean On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: If you're starting out, without any existing licensing, Datacenter is almost a no brainer. My challenge is transitioning to Datacenter. That will likely happen at the next server OS release. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: That was merely a throw away example. We got lots of licenses for lots of stuff on 'em :) But when we order a vmware host, we order a set of licenses for them. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: No. They're not... Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.comwrote: We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District
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You need a data centre license per CPU, not per host. Unless your hosts only have a single CPU... From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 11:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn't matter what you are running on the host - you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.comhttp://www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may
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ya ya. We have this team who counts things and pays for them. Depending on the data center some have 2, most have 4. We have a check box on the hardware order form indicating what goes on it and the VMware box has an automatic fill in with Data Center and our purchasing team is also our licensing team so it's their problem to balance all that. The advantages of environments that hit a certain size :) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: You need a data centre license per CPU, not per host. Unless your hosts only have a single CPU… ** ** *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 11:32 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data Center license. Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the beginnings of our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs. Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux guests, then you're fine, of course. Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests against that particular license. You need to review the licensing documentation again http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* ** ** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's why I went down this route I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the clients to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this a miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual machines I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host Thanks for all the replies Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V irtualization-Licensing.ashxhttp://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license
Virtualisation software
Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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You can use VMWare ESXi, this is the free version ALso Citrix's XenServer has a free version too which is quite good On 19 September 2011 09:16, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukwrote: Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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VMware ESXi: http://downloads.vmware.com/d/info/datacenter_cloud_infrastructure/vmware_vsphere_hypervisor_esxi/5_0 Citrix XenServer: http://www.citrix.com/lang/English/lp/lp_1688615.asp Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Hi thanks I tried the Vmware esxi this version also said it was a 60 day version Again in the text (help docs) it says go to home- admin and licensing although I couldn't find a licensing option? Will look at the Citrix Zenserver Thanks Nigel -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: 19 September 2011 09:35 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software VMware ESXi: http://downloads.vmware.com/d/info/datacenter_cloud_infrastructure/vmwar e_vsphere_hypervisor_esxi/5_0 Citrix XenServer: http://www.citrix.com/lang/English/lp/lp_1688615.asp Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I went to the Download page, clicked the License Download tab, logged in, and was should my license key immediately. Also, literally immediately, I received an e-mail from VMware to activate my Evaluation copy of ESXi. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi thanks I tried the Vmware esxi this version also said it was a 60 day version Again in the text (help docs) it says go to home- admin and licensing although I couldn't find a licensing option? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I recall getting emailed the license details straight away as well, for ESXi On 19 September 2011 09:56, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I went to the Download page, clicked the License Download tab, logged in, and was should my license key immediately. Also, literally immediately, I received an e-mail from VMware to activate my Evaluation copy of ESXi. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi thanks I tried the Vmware esxi this version also said it was a 60 day version Again in the text (help docs) it says go to home- admin and licensing although I couldn't find a licensing option? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualisation software
Hi Yep received all that When I install the software however and view the server with the client it says it's a 60 day version I cant see where I am supposed to enter the license on the server Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: 19 September 2011 09:56 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software I went to the Download page, clicked the License Download tab, logged in, and was should my license key immediately. Also, literally immediately, I received an e-mail from VMware to activate my Evaluation copy of ESXi. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi thanks I tried the Vmware esxi this version also said it was a 60 day version Again in the text (help docs) it says go to home- admin and licensing although I couldn't find a licensing option? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualisation software
Ahh Ok never looked here, was reading all the other documentation that said click the licensing tab Done ! Many thanks Regards Nigel From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 September 2011 10:51 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualisation software That's only for vCenter-managed hosts. Go to Configuration Tab for host and then Licensed Features. Click edit in the upper right corner. -Anders On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi Yep that's whats suppose to happen however Under HOME ADMINISTRATION I don't have an icon for licenses Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: 19 September 2011 10:20 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKCdocT ype=kcexternalId=2004362sliceId=1docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1dialogID=2420067 17stateId=1 http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKCdoc Type=kcexternalId=2004362sliceId=1docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1dialogID=242006 717stateId=1 0 242010100 http://tinyurl.com/InstallEsxi5License Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi Yep received all that When I install the software however and view the server with the client it says it's a 60 day version I cant see where I am supposed to enter the license on the server ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Free? Why not this? http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 Carl -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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You seem to have gotten your desired solution working For the sake of completeness there is a bare metal free version of HyperV available as well. Oracale Virtual Box is also out there though I have not used it beyond an occasional desktop test environment. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Ahh Ok never looked here, was reading all the other documentation that said click the licensing tab ** ** Done ! Many thanks Regards Nigel ** ** ** ** *From:* Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 19 September 2011 10:51 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software ** ** That's only for vCenter-managed hosts. Go to Configuration Tab for host and then Licensed Features. Click edit in the upper right corner. -Anders On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Hi Yep that's whats suppose to happen however Under HOME ADMINISTRATION I don't have an icon for licenses Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: 19 September 2011 10:20 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtualisation software http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKCdocT ype=kcexternalId=2004362sliceId=1docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1dialogID=2420067 17stateId=1 0 242010100 http://tinyurl.com/InstallEsxi5License Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Subject: RE: Virtualisation software Hi Yep received all that When I install the software however and view the server with the client it says it's a 60 day version I cant see where I am supposed to enter the license on the server ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualisation software
For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and XenServer. For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=3512 ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the nearly bare-metal one linked above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd party network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the licensing allows us to the host server for free is nice, too. See: http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-Virtualization-Licensing.ashx Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you try this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they don't have any good clustering support, yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:16:57 -0700 Subject: Virtualisation software Hi I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the criteria I have been given is that it must be FREE! I looked on Vmware website and although they list VMware vSphere Hypervisor As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 day version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the docs about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to select and install the license Is the product still free - Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial number Have I finally lost it ? Help would be appreciated Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
