Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Bambang Kansah]

U're absolutely right, Sir. I have no doubt, the answer is UNVR.

On 2/8/09, SbudianaYCS  wrote:
>
> Tks Pa JV, tp jangan tanggung2 daripada nanti salah2 nebak, sekalian kasih
> Code nya aja dong hehehe.
>
> GBUs Always,
> SB
>
>
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>
> Sent from my BlackBerry (R) wireless device
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hanif Mantiq 
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:07:55
> To: 
> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..
>
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> *ada berbagai radar yang biasa dijadikan acuan untuk mendeteksi adanya
> pesawat musuh. ada radar market cap, ada radar lq45 untuk likuiditas, ada
> radar low p/e, ada radar high div yield, ada pecah order ratusan kali dll.
> Ada pesawat yang diciptakan untuk masuk radar lq45 lagi, atau menjadi radar
> big cap lagi dengan cara create volume dan angkat keatas, sayangnya banyak
> yang begitu masuk radar trus ditembak eh pesawatnya ngilang lagi, jadi habis
> deh pelurunya :), jadi tetap aja full awareness kayak pa hmin, seperti di
> red cliff 2 salah menembak ribuan panah harus diganti ama kepala komandan
> yang nyuruhnya*
>
>
>
> Re: It's me again..
> Posted by:  "jhon_veter" jhon_ve...@yahoo.com.sgjhon_veter
> Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:02 pm(PST)
> Dear Elaine,
>
> Truthfully I have no heart feeling about all, this just a business
> and not personal matter.
>
> 2009 from my point of view is year of Opportunity, we can START
> anything we want this year. From starting business, investment, live,
> work, and others (you name it). Why? because we can have cheap
> Investment Capital together with highest yield, the two reasons we
> need to start anything. Beside that we will see the reduce of
> competition in business because of natural selection (specially from
> debt management).
>
> I give stock recomendation to my clients with all of that reasons. My
> concern is simple, find the survivor company in difficult time. It
> means we search copany with strong balace sheet, small debt, always
> give deviden, big player in domestic market, with big capitalization.
> So simple.
>
> Now is your turn, What is your concern in this time?
>
> Regards
>
> JV
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[SbudianaYCS]

Tks Pa JV, tp jangan tanggung2 daripada nanti salah2 nebak, sekalian kasih Code 
nya aja dong hehehe.

GBUs Always,
SB




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-Original Message-
From: Hanif Mantiq 

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:07:55 
To: 
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..



*ada berbagai radar yang biasa dijadikan acuan untuk mendeteksi adanya pesawat 
musuh. ada radar market cap, ada radar lq45 untuk likuiditas, ada radar low 
p/e, ada radar high div yield, ada pecah order ratusan kali dll. Ada pesawat 
yang diciptakan untuk masuk radar lq45 lagi, atau menjadi radar big cap lagi 
dengan cara create volume dan angkat keatas, sayangnya banyak yang begitu masuk 
radar trus ditembak eh pesawatnya ngilang lagi, jadi habis deh pelurunya :), 
jadi tetap aja full awareness kayak pa hmin, seperti di red cliff 2 salah 
menembak ribuan panah harus diganti ama kepala komandan yang nyuruhnya*



Re: It's me again..  
Posted by:  "jhon_veter" jhon_ve...@yahoo.com.sgjhon_veter  
Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:02 pm(PST) 
Dear Elaine,

Truthfully I have no heart feeling about all, this just a business 
and not personal matter. 

2009 from my point of view is year of Opportunity, we can START 
anything we want this year. From starting business, investment, live, 
work, and others (you name it). Why? because we can have cheap 
Investment Capital together with highest yield, the two reasons we 
need to start anything. Beside that we will see the reduce of 
competition in business because of natural selection (specially from 
debt management).

I give stock recomendation to my clients with all of that reasons. My 
concern is simple, find the survivor company in difficult time. It 
means we search copany with strong balace sheet, small debt, always 
give deviden, big player in domestic market, with big capitalization. 
So simple.

Now is your turn, What is your concern in this time?

Regards

JV


  





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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Elaine Sui]

John. Darling. I know this' kinda late but please take my apologize for
being an ass to you and everyone last year. Please share with us, what is
your forecast for 2009, and of course enlight us with your stock picks.
Thank you so much for your reply.

Anyway enough with nukes, that's and old story, yes? [?]

Elaine


>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Veter 
> Date: Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:52 AM
> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
> *How big is your Nuke* Miss EL ??? I think your statement is overreacting
> (with smile). Off course Energy + CPO sector may drop up to 25% in first
> semester 2008, but that still not nuke from my point of view…… if you not
> believe with my statement, try to calculate your portfolio profit / growth
> from both of this sector (I believe more than 120%)…… isn't it amazing ???.
>  So 25% fall for Energy + CPO is not nuke at all…. Please dech ah, give us a
> definition from NUKE tooJ.
>
>
>
> BTW, nice to have you on this milis…. Thanks for your braveness to be
> different.
>
>
>
>
>
> Happy New Year
>
>
>
>
>
> JV and Fam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Re: It's me again.. 
> *
> **
>
> *Posted by: "Bandar Sedang" bejtra...@gmail.com
> *
>
> *Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:03 am (PST) *
>
> If you look back on the beginning of 2007.
> yes, it happened.now, will the history repeat itself ?
> we'll see.i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda..
> BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Elaine
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again..
>
> Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008.
> It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of
> "planned" crash.
>
> The plan is to make another entry point.
>
> (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again)
>
> EL
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim <
> abdul.rahman.ra...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not
> hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time.
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine >
> wrote:
> >
> > Happy new year 2008
> >
> > EL
>
>
>  
>
>
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Ganda Wijaya]

Jadi ingat jaman dulu waktu masih ada Porkas.
Pernah beli prediksinya yg dibuat aneh2, hurufnya dibuat nyambung2.
Nah, pada saat nomor porkasnya keluar, si dukun bilang kalau prediksinya
sesuai (dimirip-miripin)

Elaine ya seperti itu, hehehe

2008/1/15 jsxtrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>   Justru sengaja dibikin ngga jelas, teka-teki, muter-muter, etc... EL
> bilang biar FUN.., padahal biar GAMPANG NGELES... he..he..
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> "donhako" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Elaine, sorry saya gak jago bahasa inggris spt Anda. jadi bahasa
> > Indonesia aja ya.
> > Setau saya ( koreksi kalo saya salah ), Milis ini diharapkan menjadi
> > ajang Information Sharing dan ajang tempat ngobrol para para
> investor
>
>

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[YMID-JKT-ADM Charles]

Setuju sekali...pak...gunanya kita gabung di milis ini untuk belajar
dari para senior dan pakar di bursa
sehingga kita yang baru tidak mengalami kerugian karena belum mengerti
medan pertempurannya bagaimana.
forum ini digunakan untuk sharing pengalaman dan pengetahuan serta
informasi yang benar tdk perlu akurat 
sehingga tidak merugikan orang lain yang mungkin menerima informasi itu
bulat-bulat
 
tks
 
ch
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: donhako [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:59 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..



Elaine, sorry saya gak jago bahasa inggris spt Anda. jadi bahasa
Indonesia aja ya.
Setau saya ( koreksi kalo saya salah ), Milis ini diharapkan menjadi
ajang Information Sharing dan ajang tempat ngobrol para para investor
saham, khususnya para investor saham di Bursa Efek Jakarta (BEJ).

So, kalo Elaine mau share sesuatu, please be honest, jangan
menyesatkan, jangan pula pake teka-teki yang membingungkan.
Kalo gak niat sharing, mending gak usah. 
Khan milis ini untuk umum khan, tidak hanya untuk yang sudah pakar.
Kasian yang masih pada hijau, khan jadi bingung. Niatnya gabung di
milis untuk berbagi informasi ( yang valid ), malah bisa2 tersesat.

Bursa bukan permainan anak kecil. Kalo berhasil, bikin sejahtera. Kalo
tersesat, bisa bikin bangkrut.
Share tidak harus sesuatu yang pasti benar kok, namanya juga analisis.
Just be honest dan tidak diputar-puter.

--- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com, Elaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> *I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just
expressing my
> own opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and
> promised not to use the F word anymore.
> 
> Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me.
It's
> that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO
stocks, and
> AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others. I'm not a
trader nor
> investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :)
> 
> Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me
anything you
> want, if that makes you feel better.
> 
> EL*
> 
> 
> 2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Asik asik... plok plok
> >
> > Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol,
> > masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz?
> >
> > Nurut gue sih seru...
> > pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini
yang
> > asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit
> > gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya
> > yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar
yang
> > panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin
> > aja. Hehehe
> >
> > Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke
> > coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada
> > yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu
> > sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang
banyak
> > EGO berkeliaran.
> >
> > Ayo dong terusin
> > Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian.
> >
> > Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue:
> > Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya.
> > Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no
> > brainer koq...
> >
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa
> > >
> > > sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak
> > > menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan
> > >
> > > kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga..
seru
> > > liat nya
> > >
> > > kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: "if you can stand the heat,
get out
> > > of the kitchen' :)
> > >
> > > salam
> > > mrA
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com
,
> > Rei  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok
apa?
> > > Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma
> > > karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine...
> > > >
> > > > boyz  wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ?
> > >
> > > > (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...)
> > > >
> > > > so what do you mean by that ?
> > > > do you state your self that you are "a Big Player" and it was
you
> > > that made RALLY on CPO stocks?
> > > > LOL ... (asli dah ngakak)
> > > >
> > > > Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode.
> > > Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but
> > > that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you
have
> > > mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector.
> > > > now, Do you claimed that your previous postings

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[troyan troyan]

Simple aja kog menyelesaikannya. Gak usah direply.

--- SEKILAS INFO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sebenarnya sich ok-ok saja kalo Elaine mengeluarkan
> sebuah pendapat, dan
> akhirnya ada yang pro dan kontra dengan EL
> 
> Justru itu yang membuat jadi semakin menarik.
> kenapa? Kalo semua setuju atau
> semua tidak setuju dengan EL maka sudah tidak
> menarik lagi. 
> 
>  
> 
> Yang terpenting kembali ke diri kita masing-masing,
> semua informasi yang
> kita dapatkan boleh kita ambil tapi ingat harus ada
> penyaringan di dalam
> diri kita apakah benar atau tidak. Akhirnya
> informasi yang kita terima akan
> menjadi tanggung jawab kita dimana bila informasi
> yang kita terima ternyata
> salah, jangan menyalahkan orang lain. 
> 
>  
> 
> Orang besar adalah orang yang berani mengakui bahwa
> dia salah
> 
>  
> 
> Hidup penuh pilihan, Pilihan ada di tangan Anda.
> Jadi Anda bertanggung jawab
> dengan pilihan Anda
> 
>  
> 
> -= Kita tidak perlu menjadi besar ketika mulai tapi
> kita harus mulai untuk
> menjadi besar =-
> 
>  
> 
> Best Regards.
> 
> KJ
> 
> 



  

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Rei]

Ya betul juga...saya mungkin terpancing krn kalo seseorang berbelit-belit kita 
suka nggak sabaran...tapi ya saya rasa semua tetap nunggu postingan Elaine...
  "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" saya suka itu.

arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa

sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak 
menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan

kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru 
liat nya

kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: "if you can stand the heat, get out 
of the kitchen' :)

salam
mrA

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? 
Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma 
karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine...
> 
> boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ?
> (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...)
> 
> so what do you mean by that ?
> do you state your self that you are "a Big Player" and it was you 
that made RALLY on CPO stocks?
> LOL ... (asli dah ngakak)
> 
> Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. 
Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but 
that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have 
mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector.
> now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating 
that the CPO will Explode in positive mean?
> 
> Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
> 




 

   
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Aria Bela Nusa]

Everybody in the market has the right position here that're hold, sold, buy,
even cash to going to grow profit with capital protected, even preserved
properly - Mr.Market is so generous, very kind to us - if and only if we're
humble, pure hearted, hard-worked but smartly (3 H's)

 

Happy chuan,

 

Aria

 

  _  

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Elaine
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:00 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

 

I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just expressing my own
opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and promised
not to use the F word anymore.

Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me. It's
that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO stocks, and
AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others.  I'm not a trader nor
investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :) 

Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me anything you
want, if that makes you feel better.

EL



2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim < abdul.rahman.
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Asik asik... plok plok

Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol,
masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz?

Nurut gue sih seru...
pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang
asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit
gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya
yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang
panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin
aja. Hehehe

Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke
coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada
yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu
sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak
EGO berkeliaran.

Ayo dong terusin
Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian.

Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue:
Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya.
Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no
brainer koq...



On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:arsu2%40yahoo.com>
com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa
>
> sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak
> menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan
>
> kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru
> liat nya
>
> kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: "if you can stand the heat, get out
> of the kitchen' :)
>
> salam
> mrA
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa?
> Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma
> karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine...
> >
> > boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ?
>
> > (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...)
> >
> > so what do you mean by that ?
> > do you state your self that you are "a Big Player" and it was you
> that made RALLY on CPO stocks?
> > LOL ... (asli dah ngakak)
> >
> > Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode.
> Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but
> that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have
> mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector.
> > now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating
> that the CPO will Explode in positive mean?
> >
> > Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :

 

 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Elaine]

*I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just expressing my
own opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and
promised not to use the F word anymore.

Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me. It's
that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO stocks, and
AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others.  I'm not a trader nor
investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :)

Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me anything you
want, if that makes you feel better.

EL*


2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>   Asik asik... plok plok
>
> Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol,
> masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz?
>
> Nurut gue sih seru...
> pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang
> asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit
> gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya
> yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang
> panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin
> aja. Hehehe
>
> Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke
> coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada
> yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu
> sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak
> EGO berkeliaran.
>
> Ayo dong terusin
> Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian.
>
> Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue:
> Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya.
> Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no
> brainer koq...
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa
> >
> > sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak
> > menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan
> >
> > kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru
> > liat nya
> >
> > kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: "if you can stand the heat, get out
> > of the kitchen' :)
> >
> > salam
> > mrA
> >
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa?
> > Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma
> > karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine...
> > >
> > > boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ?
> >
> > > (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...)
> > >
> > > so what do you mean by that ?
> > > do you state your self that you are "a Big Player" and it was you
> > that made RALLY on CPO stocks?
> > > LOL ... (asli dah ngakak)
> > >
> > > Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode.
> > Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but
> > that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have
> > mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector.
> > > now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating
> > that the CPO will Explode in positive mean?
> > >
> > > Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
>  
>

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[abdulrahim abdulrahim]

Asik asik... plok plok

Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol,
masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz?

Nurut gue sih seru...
pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang
asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit
gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya
yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang
panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin
aja. Hehehe

Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke
coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada
yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu
sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak
EGO berkeliaran.

Ayo dong terusin
Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian.

Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue:
Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya.
Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no
brainer koq...

On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa
>
>  sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak
>  menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan
>
>  kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru
>  liat nya
>
>  kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: "if you can stand the heat, get out
>  of the kitchen' :)
>
>  salam
>  mrA
>
>
>  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa?
>  Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma
>  karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine...
>  >
>  > boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ?
>
>  > (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...)
>  >
>  > so what do you mean by that ?
>  > do you state your self that you are "a Big Player" and it was you
>  that made RALLY on CPO stocks?
>  > LOL ... (asli dah ngakak)
>  >
>  > Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode.
>  Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but
>  that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have
>  mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector.
>  > now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating
>  that the CPO will Explode in positive mean?
>  >
>  > Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[boyz]

/duh kayaknya makin runyam nih,
(perlu puasa lagi kayaknya)/

dear rajauang and friends,
saya gak terpancing secara emosional, beneran deh. mungkin saja posting 
saya terkesan seperti itu.
(mohon maaf juga kepada rekan2 jika tulisan saya terbaca seperti 
emosional dan kurang berkenan)


inilah bedanya bertukar pikiran lewat verbal dan tulisan.
kalau lewat verbal, mungkin anda dapat merasakan "emosi" lawan bicara 
dari tekanan suara.

(atau melihat ekspresi muka jika bertemu langsung)
kalau dari tulisan, bagaimana kita dapat memastikan emosi si penulis?

dulu saya pernah bilang ke salah satu "master" yg hendak out dari milis ini
"just a little incident, masa gara2 serempetan sedikit di jalan, trus 
kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umur"


tentunya adalah hak masing2 individu untuk memilih,

tapi, buat saya pribadi, milis OB adalah salah satu "tempat belajar yg 
terbaik".
apalagi dulu, saat milis ini dipenuhi oleh banyak master dari berbagai 
bidang.
sekarang pun, milis ini masih punya banyak master yg berbaik hati mau 
mengajarkan ilmunya kepada kita-2.
Gratis pula. Thanks to them. (nama gak usah disebut, rekan2 pasti sudah 
tahu siapa yg dimaksud).


salam,


rajauang wrote:

Pak Embah, Embah, Embah, yth, .. ... .
sudahlah,.. . . ... 
di kedai Tuak (Bahasa Medan) ... 
di Warteg (bahasa Jawa).. . .. 
di Warkop (bahasa Jakarta)... . 
ternyata diskusi bisa  
LEBIH BERMARTABAT... ...

LEBIH SANTUN.
LEBIH INTELEKTUAL. 
LEBIH TIDAK EMOSIONAL.

Embah, izinkan saya QUIT dari Obrolan Bandar, karena saya tidak
berkemampuan untuk mengikuti diskusi seperti ini.   Saya tidak ingin
nantinya terpancing emosi seperti pak Boyz.  Lagi pula akan menjadi
sulit membedakan mana analisis yang dilatarbelakangi emosi dan maksud
buruk, mana yg tidak.   


Thanks kpd Embah, DE, TBumi, dan Widhie dan semua OB Member lainnya yg
telah memberi inspirasi sehat kepada saya.   


Embah tolong keanggotaan saya di OB ini di-delete.  Saya mohon maaf
bila ada kata-kata yang salah selama keanggotaan saya yang hanya
beberapa hari saja.

Cau, Aufwierdersehen. . .  


Regards and Danke,
Rajauang

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Forever Apprentice]

Wah wah, gak sia-sia tadi pagi bad feeling :D
Tadi market open langsung beli TINS, AALI, TBLA. rencana buat di-HOLD. 
Setelah 1 jam koq perasaan gak enak ya liatin roller coaster intraday 
begitu peak TINS & AALI langsung jual lagi, TBLA blom peak langsung jual juga 
dah.

Eh trus si EL posting. Nah loh, perasaan tambah gak enak tapi udah gak megang 
apa2 :D
Barusan liat RTI... merah semua ya :) Slamet-slamet (elus2 dada) :D

- Original Message 
From: donhako <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:05:34 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

okay..okay.. its getting more complicated.
can someone explain the real meaning, pleas..? ??

--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, oBet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Conclusions are..
> 
> if something goes the other way around.. means the message is coded..
> if things goes according to the message.. means the message is sincere..
> 
> sell means buy, buy means sell.. hehehe..
> 
> but, you are correct, we should study more 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Forever Apprentice 
> To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:53:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again..
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Only the smart wins. Are you? My intention is you should STUDY
before making any decision. It'd be RIDICULOUS >if you think
Energy/CPO sector is going to crash while the commodity prices are
rising. 
> 
> 
> Darn, you're abosultely right. Silly me :)
> 
> Thanks for the tips. Keep on posting your coded messages EL, I'll be
reading... and reading it CAREFULLY.
> 
> 
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Elaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .>
> To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:27:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again..
> 
> 
> 
> Read carefully.
> 
> Only the smart wins. Are you? My intention is you should STUDY
before making any decision. It'd be RIDICULOUS if you think Energy/CPO
sector is going to crash while the commodity prices are rising. 
> 
> Now it's near the top, is this a good time to buy? Well, ask
yourself, are you one of the PIG? :)
> 
> EL
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2007 9:49 AM, Elaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:
> 
> Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early
2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many
examples of "planned" crash. 
> 
> The plan is to make another entry point.
> 
> (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again)
> 
> EL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not
> hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:
> >
> > Happy new year 2008
> >
> > EL
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Satria P. Winata Jap]

ic...ic...kalo dah punya templatenya sih cepet kali yah.
pengalaman pribadi sih kemaren ini pakai template xls yang kang ocoy  
pernah kirim, kesulitan menemukan angka2x yg diperlukan.
kan harusnya semua angka2x itu berasal dari 1 sumber, entah itu  
laporan keuangan si emiten ato dari reuters etc.
mungkin karena istilah yang dipakai berbeda, atau memang ga tersedia,  
atau yg paling mungkin sayanya yg ga mudeng... :D

thanks yah.

best,

/satria

On Jan 3, 2008, at 1:27 PM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham wrote:


tergantung kualitas laporannya pak...

kalo modelling processnya mingkin 1 hari dikerjain sendiri jg bisa...

biasanya yg lama / ribet sih bikin proyeksi financial performancenya
pak... biasanya yg dibutuhin buat input model itu mau ga mau mesti
buat projection income statement, projection balance sheet sama
projection free cashflow nya... standarnya analisa laporan keuangan /
valuasi sih biasanya cuman ngelanjutin laporan keuangan versi audit
tahun ini dan terus bikin proyeksi laporan keuangan ke depan sesuai
asumsi2 perkembangan dan tren perusahaan ke depan.. nah cuman analis
yg lebih ahli / nguasain proses auditing biasanya nguji lagi "quality
of report" dr laporan audit tersebut.. saya sih biasanya cuman
ngelanjutin dr laporan keuangan audit aja.. tp ada jg temen analis yg
punya background akunting jg yg kadang2 suka saya minta bantuannya...

kalo mo cepet en gampang sebenernya tinggal pake angka proyeksi
konsensus analis2... trus dibuat CAGRnya tahun2 ke depan, ato sekalian
ambil report dr analis2 yg kita tau punya integritas (analis yg
biasanya presisi dan jujur) trus kita pake angka2 proyeksinya..
tinggal kita masukkin pake model yg kita pengen pake, ato malah
modelnya sama ama yg di konsensus/analis cuman discount factor, market
premium, sama terminal growth ratenya aja yg kita rubah sesuai
preferensi sendiri.. kalo cuman ganti model mungkin setengah hari jg
beres, apalagi kalo cuman ganti variabel input modelnya... paling
sejam-dua jam jg beres... proses plg ribet (tp plg krusial) ya di
proyeksi laporan keuangan aja...

saya ga mungkin bilang ini pekerjaan gampang, saya jg masih belajar..
but i think its worth to do.. it makes a real different ketika kita
membuat valuasi sendiri ketika menentukan keputusan investasi...
lagian buat saya yg ga bisa nebak market timing, this investing style
methodis suits me more, its like batting for a perfect ball without
called "strike", simply wait for the perfect ball.. dan perfect ball
is defined by "good valuation" itu tadi...

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Satria P. Winata Jap"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> kang ocoy, biasanya berapa lama sih waktu yg diperlukan utk  
melakukan

> proper valuation or fundamental analysis sperti yang dilakukan kang
> ocoy?
> 1 day? 1 week? trus dikerjain sendiri ato rame rame (team work)?
> soalnya koq saya ngeliatnya kalo untuk individual investor
> (retailer), kerjaan tersebut lumayan berat yah? ato ini hanya
> perkiraan saya saja yang salah?
> ato it's a matter of habit (bisa karena biasa)?
> kalo it takes weeks to analyze, resikonya bisa ketinggalan kereta  
yah?

> btw, thanks buat posting awal taon yg enlightening ini...
>
> best,
>
> /satria

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Satria P. Winata Jap]

kang ocoy, biasanya berapa lama sih waktu yg diperlukan utk melakukan  
proper valuation or fundamental analysis sperti yang dilakukan kang  
ocoy?

1 day? 1 week? trus dikerjain sendiri ato rame rame (team work)?
soalnya koq saya ngeliatnya kalo untuk individual investor  
(retailer), kerjaan tersebut lumayan berat yah? ato ini hanya  
perkiraan saya saja yang salah?

ato it's a matter of habit (bisa karena biasa)?
kalo it takes weeks to analyze, resikonya bisa ketinggalan kereta yah?
btw, thanks buat posting awal taon yg enlightening ini...

best,

/satria

On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:25 AM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham wrote:


huai to all bro & sis.. met taon baru dulu ah.. kangen jg euy.. akhir
taun kmaren was really hectic, massive portfolio rebalance & dizzy
end-year job.. makanya ambil liburannya duluan en balik k jakartanya
malah entaran...

tp skrg dah balik lg ke bursa tercinta... a tough year this year yah
kayanya...

beuhh 900 & 400 million dollar... bagi dikit aja tuhh bisa ga kerja
lagi en tinggal foya2 keliling dunia ajahh... hehe.. ckkckk bandar OB
kuat2 benerr yehh...

gimana prospek tahun ini guys??..

as usual im idiot if its bout timing or sentiment or bandarmology,
hence i rely on u guys to comprehend me of such stuffs...

but from my point of view, for better or worse this year remains
opportunity for us all... nowadays its a range-bound market rather
than bull or bear... looking how the season starts, this year "may" be
a bargain hunting season yahh...

saya selalu melihat harga dan market lebih condong ke pandangan
"valuasi" drpd "harga"...

what make market's market is kinda 2 thing...

1. PE Rating Level (Is it Contracting or Expanding)
2. Revenue / Income Growth

this is how it works ;

what justified a market level is the 2 things above

what do the level 2400 means to u?? or even 3000?? or might be 2000??

whether the answer is cheap or fair or expensive is subject of timing
(1st point) and fundamental (2nd point)

PE Rating is moving as the way economy & industry is going, Sometimes
on 1-2 to 5 consecutive year its EXPANDING (tahun 1 di rating 12 trus
14 trus naek hingga 18) or sometimes it starts contracting on 1-2 year
(settling down) or even shrinking by consecutive 3-5 year 
(depression)...


on economy growing time the PE Rating is expected to be expanding (if
the economy and bussiness is good and next 2-3 years everything is
remain safe and sound, then likely if the PE rating of today is 14 or
so we could expect next year that it would grow to 15 or 16 -
everything remain unchanged/ceteris paribus) that happen to our market
2004 to half 2007, our PE rating keep expanding..

on economy slowing down phase (biasanya sehabis puncak pertumbuhan)
either its settle at current level or it shrinking down to offset the
late "too rapid" expansion of the usual peak time period... the
"overvalued" is settling down to be "fairly-valued", sometime if the
economy is depressing it goes furtherly down to "undervalued" mode...

nah, the "E" of PE Rating is subject to Fundamental or Internal
Strength of the bussiness & economy... the Justifying PE Rating is
often based on "E" Growth level... if the overall market "E" is
growing 25% u would expect the rating is growing at about that amount
if the growth is likely to last.

jadi contohnya begini; MISALNYA BURSA X :

mARKET BERADA DI LEVEL 2000 DI tahun 2004 itu PE Ratingnya 12
nah economy is good dan taun depannya indeks 2500, people would say
its insane (level harga segitu) but dengan kenaikan 25% YOY ternyata
PE ratingnya hanya naik dr 12 ke 14.. nah it would be just normal
considering the high growth of the "E".. if the growth rate of "E" is
lasting and economy is fine we would expect the index level to mount
to even higher "PE" rating. it means the PE Rating of the economy is
on the expansion mode (keep on going up), biasanya ini kejadian
berturut2 3-5 tahun selama ekonomi okay2 sajah (thats why china was
valued at those rating lately) tp every good thing must come to an end
, nah kadang ketika waktunya kontraksi (natural phase on economic
cycle), it goes down dan kadang diperparah turunnya dengan turunnya
"E" dr si overall market tadi

nah kadang PE Rating ini juga sifatnya relatif alias liat2an sama
index tetangga juga... rating yg edan sometime dijustifikasi krn si
tetangga "lebih edan" lagi.. a rather silly thinking sih sebenernya...

so, now our index is 2700 level.. is it on the way to keep expanding
or start contracting?? is it cheap or expensive by "fundamental"
basis??.. wah itu mah selera personal aja yah..

hehe...

but nevertheless.., we all know that economy goes in cycle, never were
more than a decade economy is declining... after the darkness the
light will catching up..

so here goes my idea, if its the darkness that gonna come.. dont waste
it, pick the one that gonna lite up even on the darkest time...

gimana milihnya??

haha, being a value-investing wannabe player.. mungkin ini waktu yg
sudah saya tunggu2 untuk menswitch sejenak

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again..

[Mo_Cuan]

ruar biasa kang ocoy.
thanks atas pencerahannya.
eniwe kalo modenya investor mah kudu modal
kuat. soalnya horison timingnya long term.
retail mah trading aja kale. soalnya
butuh menggandakan capital-nya dalam waktu singkat.
kalo boleh di share, stock pick kang ocoy untuk
mid cap stock taon 2008 dong dari valuation
analysis-nya. saya suka mid-cap soalnya
yang tengah-2 itu kan lebih asyikhehehe

+++ mo cuan belajar FA dari kang ocoy +++

--- kang_ocoy_maen_saham
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> huai to all bro & sis.. met taon baru dulu ah..



  

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