[RELEASE][3.4.1] Requesting bug 120082 as release blocker (Temporary files of extension installation are not deleted)

[Andre Fischer]

Issue 120082 [1] fixes a part of the problem of excessive disk space 
consumption by extensions (see issue 119272 [2] for details).  The fix 
reduces the used disk space by 50%.  It does so by removing unused 
temporary files.


The probability of regression is moderate but not zero.

Regards,
Andre



[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120082
[2] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119272

Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
>>  wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to use
>>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
>>>
>>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
>>> the way of input with some of the details.
>>>
>>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
>>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
>>>
>>> Two files added here:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
>>>
>>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
>>>
>>
>> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
>> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
>>
> 
> Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
> image, not my CD burning.

you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)

Juergen

PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?

autorun.inf:
[autorun]
open=.exe
icon= myicon.ico

The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
files directly.


> 
> -Rob
> 
>> But a few quick observations:
>>
>> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
>> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
>> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
>> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
>> that would trigger this?
>>
>> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
>> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
>> saying "I don't know how"
>>
>> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
>> OpenOfice project"
>>
>> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
>> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> What's in them currently?
>>>
>>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
>>>
>>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
>>> - Windows English(us) full install package
>>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
>>> - Windows SDK
>>>
>>> Documents, all as PDF
>>> - Installation Guide
>>> - Getting Started Guide
>>> - Administration Guide
>>> - Basic Programmers Guide
>>> - Developers Guide
>>>
>>> HTML files
>>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
>>> - Files (started from website page - done)
>>> - Instructions (not close to done)
>>> - Conatct [support] (could be done maybe)
>>> - Release Notes [notes] (copy of webstie page, added one graphic - done)
>>> - License (not done)
>>> - java (copy of website page - done)
>>> - sys_reqs_aoo34 (copy of webstie page)
>>> - ooo.css and style.css from webstie, 1 changes in each file
>>>
>>> Print ready artwork for packaging
>>> - Thin / Tall DVD case cover
>>> - Cut/Fold CD envelope template
>>> - Pre-fab sleeve cover
>>> - disk label
>>>
>>>
>>> cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>>>
>>> All the files in the cd-aoo-34-bin.iso and the source files tar ball,
>>> along with changes to a couple of html files.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> So - there are things I see to do on each piece here still.
>>>
>>> I do not expect to add any other artifacts at this point.
>>>
>>> For today I want to finish up an the install help page(s).
>>>
>>> Right now though any general feedback on _any_ of it is welcomed.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> //drew
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: Propose for 3.4.1: Can't remove password from file (119366)

[Fan Zheng]

Root cause:

Seems the logic of "Save As" and "Save" inside Apache OpenOffice is pretty
weird anyway.
A, inside AOO, the method SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf is the entry for storing
file into the original URL path if it has one. Which means, such method is
responsible to:

1. Directly "Save" request, but exclude the very first time on "Save"
without original URL path;

2. "SaveAs" request, with the same URL information as former;


B, as such method is only focus on storing back into to original file, it
is designed as an incremental saving pattern for certain efficient
consideration. Which means,
such function do not allow external saving parameters except the ones on
changing "Version Comments", "Author", "Interaction Handler" and "status
Indicator".

C, "Saving with password" is a kind of external saving parameter. The
saving parameters set will contain a password item inside, if users have
enable the check box
"Save with password" in "File Save As" dialog. Otherwise, saving parameters
set wont contain password corresponding items.

Combine the above 3 conditions, we can take a deeper inside look of
following scenarios:

1. In the "Save" request, whatever the password originally enabled or not,
as no further different setting applied, the storing process will directly
apply the former saving parameters set, including the URL path and password
setting stuff. Everything is OK.

2. And in the "SaveAs" request with password originally disabled:
2.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" disabled in "File Save As"
dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing process will directly
apply the former saving parameters set, still with password disabled. Keep
the consistence between UI setting and exact result and high efficiency;
2.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from disable to enable in
"File Save As" dialog, as external saving parameter was added into saving
parameters set, which do not satisfy the verification of parameters, such
"SaveAs" request will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and
actually finished inside the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled.
Also keep the consistence between UI setting and exact result;
 3. In the "SaveAs" request with password originally enabled:
3.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" enabled in "File Save As"
dialog, as external saving parameter was added into saving parameters set,
which do not satisfy the verification of parameters, such "SaveAs" request
will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and actually finished inside
the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled. Keep the consistence
between UI setting and exact result, but with lower efficiency;
3.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from enabled to disabled in
"File Save As" dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing process
will directly apply the former saving parameters set, still with password
enabled, as oppose to the UI setting. The issue happens.

So, a reasonable solution of this issue should be:

1. No process and saving parameter change on scenario 1 and 2;
2. In scenario 3.1, remove the external password parameter as the
originally enabled, and makes it finished in StoreSelf for higher
efficiency;
3. In scenario 3.2, do not trying to use StoreSelf anyway;


For you reference.

The code patch will be submitted for reviewing later.


2012/6/25 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 

> Hi
>
> On 25.06.2012 13:32, Fan Zheng wrote:
> > o, i miss the situation you mentioned. OK, i will keep on working with
> this
> > issue. thanks a lot！
>
> No problem.
> I have assigned this issue to you.
> I am looking forward to see your solution.
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
> > 在 2012-6-25 晚上7:11，"Oliver-Rainer Wittmann"  >写道：
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 25.06.2012 10:20, Fan Zheng wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, All:
> >>>
> >>> This issue was solved, now call for the reviewers.
> >>>
> >>> In general, this is a setting confusion issue. In current saving
> process,
> >>> both SID_ENCRYPTIONDATA and SID_PASSWORD are working for setting
> password
> >>> on a document.
> >>> Refer to the SfxObjectShell::ExecFile_Impl(**) in file
> >>> SRC/sfx2/source/doc/objserv.**cxx:line 595-599 please.
> >>> And, as what we imagine, after doing the file dialog executing with
> >>> deselecting the check box of "Save with password", the result parameter
> >>> set, which is to customize saving process, wont record said 2 SID
> inside
> >>> anymore, for indicating that the following saving process will not
> concern
> >>> about the password stuff anymore.
> >>> But when performing the exact preparation SaveAs process in
> >>> SfxobjectShell::PreDoSaveAs_**impl(), only the the default SID_PASSWORD
> >>> was
> >>> cleared, but  SID_ENCRYPTIONDATA  was not. The issue happens.
> >>>
> >>> For solving it, we just simply add the item SID_ENCRYPTIONDATA
>  clearing
> >>> in  SfxobjectShell::PreDoSaveAs_**impl(), similar as the SID_PASSWORD.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I have reviewed the patch.
> >> Please see my comments i

Re: Pootle projects

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/25/12 10:19 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> I understand that we have Pootle projects for in-product strings, as
> well as a separate project for help files.  But I don't understand why
> we have 3 different flavors of each.
> 
> For example:
> 
> Apache OpenOffice 3.4.x
> Apache OpenOffice 4.x
> Apache OpenOffice (Incubating)
> 
> Is one trunk and one for the 3.4.1 branch?   But which is the trunk?
> And why the 3rd project?

The only active project is Apache OpenOffice 3.4.x. I have requested to
delete the other projects several times because I can't do it without
the necessary rights. I am only admin for the AOO projects but can't
delete or create projects. I should create a further jira issue ;-)

My plan is a slightly different layout on disk at least for the help
project. The main reason is to make some automation tasks easier.

It's not easy to define how many projects we want support. At the moment
we plan to release further languages for 3.4.x. And we want work on a
3.5 also with potentially minor UI changes. And for our next major
release we plan even more UI changes.

So when do we want to drop support for 3.4.x. Once we have a 3.5
release? After that no further language for a 3.4.x release.

That would mean that we have 2-3 projects in parallel.

Next steps:

1. create an jira issue to delete the obsolete projects
2. create a jira issue to create a 3.5.x project

The 3.5.x project is necessary to cleanup the translation.


Juergen

Re: Pootle projects

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/26/12 10:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 6/25/12 10:19 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> I understand that we have Pootle projects for in-product strings, as
>> well as a separate project for help files.  But I don't understand why
>> we have 3 different flavors of each.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> Apache OpenOffice 3.4.x
>> Apache OpenOffice 4.x
>> Apache OpenOffice (Incubating)
>>
>> Is one trunk and one for the 3.4.1 branch?   But which is the trunk?
>> And why the 3rd project?
> 
> The only active project is Apache OpenOffice 3.4.x. I have requested to
> delete the other projects several times because I can't do it without
> the necessary rights. I am only admin for the AOO projects but can't
> delete or create projects. I should create a further jira issue ;-)
> 
> My plan is a slightly different layout on disk at least for the help
> project. The main reason is to make some automation tasks easier.
> 
> It's not easy to define how many projects we want support. At the moment
> we plan to release further languages for 3.4.x. And we want work on a
> 3.5 also with potentially minor UI changes. And for our next major
> release we plan even more UI changes.
> 
> So when do we want to drop support for 3.4.x. Once we have a 3.5
> release? After that no further language for a 3.4.x release.
> 
> That would mean that we have 2-3 projects in parallel.
> 
> Next steps:
> 
> 1. create an jira issue to delete the obsolete projects

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4964

> 2. create a jira issue to create a 3.5.x project
> 
> The 3.5.x project is necessary to cleanup the translation.

the jira issue for a new 3.5 project will be created if we agree on my
proposed approach.

Juergen

> 
> 
> Juergen
> 

Re: [QE]3.4.1 snapshot builds installation testing

[lou ql]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
wrote:

> Hi lou ql
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:30:12PM +0800, lou ql wrote:
> >Today I tested RPM build r1351960:
> >
>  Apache_OpenOffice_incubating-Dev_AOO341m1_Linux_x86_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz
> >
> >There are no desktop-integration rpm packages...
>
> This is as designed: Developer Snapshot builds do not have
> system/desktop integration (yes, the naming we've been using is rather
> confusing, because we've been naming betas with desktop integration also
> Dev. Snapshots, and we've been placing them all in the same page - IMHO
> something we should fix in the future, in OOo times the distinction
> between Dev. Snaps. - builds from trunk - and alphas/betas
> - builds from current release branch - was more clear).
>
> >installed on redhat 6.1 and suse 11:
> >1. install: rpm -ivh *.rpm, pass
> >2. version No. in help->about panel is 3.4.1
> >3. package name list by command "rpm -qa | grep ooo" contains "3.4.1"
> >4. launch from /opt/ooo-dev3/program/soffice, works
> >5. bundled Extensions: 5 English dictionaries, Presentation Minimizer,
> >Presenter Console
> >6. English dic works: red wave lines under misspelled words,
> suggestions
> >appears in context menus
> >7. a module about CoinMP library exists in
> >/opt/ooo-dev3/share/readme/NOTICE file
> >8. help->check for Update failed. I attached the screenshot
>
> yes, this is a non existent URL:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update/aoo341/check.Update?pkgfmt=rpm
> does not exist.
>
> >9. no quickstarter
>
> You have to enable it:
> Tools - Options... - OOo-Dev - Memory - check "Enable systray
> Quickstarter"
>
>
I enable the quickstarter and encountered a crash: *Bug
120095*

The crash also exists in Aoo 3.4, but since the Quickstarter is disabled in
3.4.1 by default, and those who like it being enabled will encounter this
crash more easier, I propose this as release block


> >10. remove: rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep ooo`, pass
> >
> >not try upgrade:
> >1: 3.4 not support upgrade on linux
> >2: the snapshot build has different package name and cannot replace
> the
> >released openoffice
>
> this two are obvious: this is a Developer Snapshot, it is not supposed
> to update the current default installation (though in theory it should
> update any other previous Developer Snapshot - "in theory" == update is
> completely broken on Linux, a full removal is required).
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>

[Call-for-​​​Review] bug 119953 ([From Symphony]Undo redo insert file cause application crashed)

[Chen Peng]

Hi all,
I have a fix for bug 119953.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119953
It is about application crash when undo & redo a inserted file, because of
in the procedure of inserting file, a text node split and a text node join
action did not have corresponding undo recorded.

Anybody who could help to review it?
Thanks.

[RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120095(openoffice crashes when the first time to exit quickstarter after it being enabled) as release blocker

[lou ql]

since quickstarter is disabled by default now, the user who want to enable
it will encounter this crash

RE: [RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120095(openoffice crashes when the first time to exit quickstarter after it being enabled) as release blocker

[YangTerry]

+1 to make this issue a release blocker

> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:19:52 +0800
> Subject: [RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120095(openoffice crashes when the 
> first time to exit quickstarter after it being enabled) as release blocker
> From: louqin...@gmail.com
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> 
> since quickstarter is disabled by default now, the user who want to enable
> it will encounter this crash
  

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] Requesting bug 120082 as release blocker (Temporary files of extension installation are not deleted)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/26/12 9:38 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:
> Issue 120082 [1] fixes a part of the problem of excessive disk space
> consumption by extensions (see issue 119272 [2] for details).  The fix
> reduces the used disk space by 50%.  It does so by removing unused
> temporary files.
> 
> The probability of regression is moderate but not zero.
> 

+1 from my opinion it is worth to include it in 3.4.1


Juergen

> Regards,
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120082
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119272

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120095(openoffice crashes when the first time to exit quickstarter after it being enabled) as release blocker

[Ji Yan]

+1 If this crash happened every time while exiting from quickstarter
-1 If crash happened only at the first time exiting from quickstart.

2012/6/26 YangTerry 

>
> +1 to make this issue a release blocker
>
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:19:52 +0800
> > Subject: [RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120095(openoffice crashes when the
> first time to exit quickstarter after it being enabled) as release blocker
> > From: louqin...@gmail.com
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > since quickstarter is disabled by default now, the user who want to
> enable
> > it will encounter this crash
>
>



-- 


Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120095(openoffice crashes when the first time to exit quickstarter after it being enabled) as release blocker

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/26/12 10:24 AM, YangTerry wrote:
> 
> +1 to make this issue a release blocker

I tend to agree, do we have a volunteer who want to work on this?

Juergen


> 
>> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:19:52 +0800
>> Subject: [RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120095(openoffice crashes when the 
>> first time to exit quickstarter after it being enabled) as release blocker
>> From: louqin...@gmail.com
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> since quickstarter is disabled by default now, the user who want to enable
>> it will encounter this crash
> 
> 

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] Requesting bug 120082 as release blocker (Temporary files of extension installation are not deleted)

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

+1

Best regards, Oliver.

On 26.06.2012 09:38, Andre Fischer wrote:

Issue 120082 [1] fixes a part of the problem of excessive disk space consumption
by extensions (see issue 119272 [2] for details).  The fix reduces the used disk
space by 50%.  It does so by removing unused temporary files.

The probability of regression is moderate but not zero.

Regards,
Andre



[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120082
[2] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119272

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] Requesting bug 120082 as release blocker (Temporary files of extension installation are not deleted)

[O.Felka]

+ 1

Groetjes,
Olaf

Am 26.06.2012 10:44, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:

+1

Best regards, Oliver.

On 26.06.2012 09:38, Andre Fischer wrote:

Issue 120082 [1] fixes a part of the problem of excessive disk space
consumption
by extensions (see issue 119272 [2] for details).  The fix reduces the
used disk
space by 50%.  It does so by removing unused temporary files.

The probability of regression is moderate but not zero.

Regards,
Andre



[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120082
[2] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119272

[regression]the three basic slide transition effect:wipe up,wipe down and box out lost

[Du Jing]

the three slide transition effect can't preview,and set on slide,no any
play effect.but in OO3.4,it is ok.
suggest fix it as soon as possible.

I have submitted a bug in bugzilla to track the defect:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120096

Re: [regression]the three basic slide transition effect:wipe up,wipe down and box out lost

[Du Jing]

sorry,in OO3.3,it is ok

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Du Jing  wrote:

> the three slide transition effect can't preview,and set on slide,no any
> play effect.but in OO3.4,it is ok.
> suggest fix it as soon as possible.
>
> I have submitted a bug in bugzilla to track the defect:
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120096
>

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]:propose bug 120096 (wipe up and wipe down effect works fail in Aoo 3.4,but ok in OO3.3) as release blocker‏

[YangTerry]

Change the mail title

Regression issue, and the slide transition is basic transition.
+1

> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:07:34 +0800
> Subject: Re: [regression]the three basic slide transition effect:wipe up,wipe 
> down and box out lost
> From: bjduj...@gmail.com
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> 
> sorry,in OO3.3,it is ok
> 
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Du Jing  wrote:
> 
> > the three slide transition effect can't preview,and set on slide,no any
> > play effect.but in OO3.4,it is ok.
> > suggest fix it as soon as possible.
> >
> > I have submitted a bug in bugzilla to track the defect:
> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120096
> >
  

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] Requesting bug 120082 as release blocker (Temporary files of extension installation are not deleted)

[Herbert Duerr]

On 26.06.2012 09:38, Andre Fischer wrote:

Issue 120082 [1] fixes a part of the problem of excessive disk space
consumption by extensions (see issue 119272 [2] for details).  The fix
reduces the used disk space by 50%.  It does so by removing unused
temporary files.


Saving 80MB for a typical user installation is worth it and should get 
into the next release. PackageManager does not need the temporary files 
when it is done with installing an extension and so I can't think of a 
scenario where cleaning these files up would cause problems.


Herbert

Re: Build break in the "bean" module in windows 7 (x64)

[shzh zhao]

Nobody ran into such trouble?

2012/6/18 shzh zhao 

>
> hi All,
>
> I do  Aoo build in window 7(x64) platform, an error occurred in the "bean"
> module,
> Can you give some advice to resolve this issue?
>
> /MAP /OPT:NOREF -safeseh -nxcompat -dynamicbase -NODEFAULTLIB -RELEASE
> -DEBUG -INCREMENTAL:NO /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE /DLL -out:../../
> wntmsci12.pro/bin/officebean.dll -map:../../
> wntmsci12.pro/misc/officebean.map -def:../../
> wntmsci12.pro/misc/officebean.def -implib:../../
> wntmsci12.pro/lib/iofficebean_t1.lib ../../
> wntmsci12.pro/slo/officebean_version.obj ../../
> wntmsci12.pro/slb/officebean.lib jawt.lib isal.lib msvcrt.lib uwinapi.lib
> kernel32.lib user32.lib oldnames.lib ../../
> wntmsci12.pro/misc/officebean.res
>Creating library ../../wntmsci12.pro/lib/iofficebean_t1.lib and object
> ../../wntmsci12.pro/lib/iofficebean_t1.exp
> officebean.lib(com_sun_star_comp_beans_LocalOfficeWindow.obj) : error
> LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__JAWT_GetAWT@8 referenced in
> function _Java_com_sun_star_comp_beans_LocalOfficeWindow_getNativeWindow@8
> ../../wntmsci12.pro/bin/officebean.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 1
> unresolved externals
> dmake:  Error code 96, while making '../../
> wntmsci12.pro/bin/officebean.dll'
> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
> /cygdrive/d/work/Aoo/code/main/bean/native/win32
>
> --
> *
>
>
> mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com 
> 
>



-- 
*


mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com 

Re: [UX][Volunteers Needed] - Harvesting Social Data

[RGB ES]

2012/6/26 Kevin Grignon :
> Hello All,
>
> As mentioned in an earlier post, collectively, our social assets present a
> huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight,
> feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our future
> product direction.
>
> Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is
> an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate
> sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives.
> However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant
> and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost.
>
> Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites.
> Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and
> actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
>
> To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture
> everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture
> any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development
> decisions in the future. Some data is better than none.
>
> Also, some international AOO contributors cannot access some social media
> sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant
> and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
>
> I have created a number of pages within the AOO UX wiki [1] for harvesting
> and capturing social data.
>
> [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data
>
> I invite everyone to harvest insight from our social media and post to the
> wiki. If you see something relevant, that could be actionable, please
> harvest this information and post to the wiki. Feel free to tweak the
> document table format to suite the content.
>
> Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products
> moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles,
> validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product
> recommendations. Tracing our design and development work products to real
> data ensures that we will make informed decisions driven by end user
> insight.
>
> Do not hesitate to contact me for more information on this ongoing research
> activity.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin

Added one example (and fixed a typo on the table headings) to see how it works.

I think "description" column should be left aligned, not centred, but
other than aligning paragraph one by one I cannot find a way to do so
on the column. Also the bold is not needed there, but I did not find
how to change that.

I'm really a newbie on wikis, as you can see :)

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Propose for 3.4.1: Can't remove password from file (119366)

[Fan Zheng]

Now the new patch was updated onto bugzilla, for you review.

2012/6/26 Fan Zheng 

> Root cause:
>
> Seems the logic of "Save As" and "Save" inside Apache OpenOffice is pretty
> weird anyway.
> A, inside AOO, the method SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf is the entry for storing
> file into the original URL path if it has one. Which means, such method is
> responsible to:
>
> 1. Directly "Save" request, but exclude the very first time on "Save"
> without original URL path;
>
> 2. "SaveAs" request, with the same URL information as former;
>
>
> B, as such method is only focus on storing back into to original file, it
> is designed as an incremental saving pattern for certain efficient
> consideration. Which means,
> such function do not allow external saving parameters except the ones on
> changing "Version Comments", "Author", "Interaction Handler" and "status
> Indicator".
>
> C, "Saving with password" is a kind of external saving parameter. The
> saving parameters set will contain a password item inside, if users have
> enable the check box
> "Save with password" in "File Save As" dialog. Otherwise, saving
> parameters set wont contain password corresponding items.
>
> Combine the above 3 conditions, we can take a deeper inside look of
> following scenarios:
>
> 1. In the "Save" request, whatever the password originally enabled or not,
> as no further different setting applied, the storing process will directly
> apply the former saving parameters set, including the URL path and password
> setting stuff. Everything is OK.
>
> 2. And in the "SaveAs" request with password originally disabled:
> 2.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" disabled in "File Save As"
> dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing process will directly
> apply the former saving parameters set, still with password disabled. Keep
> the consistence between UI setting and exact result and high efficiency;
>  2.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from disable to enable
> in "File Save As" dialog, as external saving parameter was added into
> saving parameters set, which do not satisfy the verification of parameters,
> such "SaveAs" request will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and
> actually finished inside the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled.
> Also keep the consistence between UI setting and exact result;
>  3. In the "SaveAs" request with password originally enabled:
> 3.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" enabled in "File Save As"
> dialog, as external saving parameter was added into saving parameters set,
> which do not satisfy the verification of parameters, such "SaveAs" request
> will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and actually finished inside
> the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled. Keep the consistence
> between UI setting and exact result, but with lower efficiency;
>  3.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from enabled to disabled
> in "File Save As" dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing
> process will directly apply the former saving parameters set, still with
> password enabled, as oppose to the UI setting. The issue happens.
>
> So, a reasonable solution of this issue should be:
>
> 1. No process and saving parameter change on scenario 1 and 2;
> 2. In scenario 3.1, remove the external password parameter as the
> originally enabled, and makes it finished in StoreSelf for higher
> efficiency;
> 3. In scenario 3.2, do not trying to use StoreSelf anyway;
>
>
> For you reference.
>
> The code patch will be submitted for reviewing later.
>
>
> 2012/6/25 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On 25.06.2012 13:32, Fan Zheng wrote:
>> > o, i miss the situation you mentioned. OK, i will keep on working with
>> this
>> > issue. thanks a lot！
>>
>> No problem.
>> I have assigned this issue to you.
>> I am looking forward to see your solution.
>>
>> Best regards, Oliver.
>>
>> > 在 2012-6-25 晚上7:11，"Oliver-Rainer Wittmann" > >写道：
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> On 25.06.2012 10:20, Fan Zheng wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi, All:
>> >>>
>> >>> This issue was solved, now call for the reviewers.
>> >>>
>> >>> In general, this is a setting confusion issue. In current saving
>> process,
>> >>> both SID_ENCRYPTIONDATA and SID_PASSWORD are working for setting
>> password
>> >>> on a document.
>> >>> Refer to the SfxObjectShell::ExecFile_Impl(**) in file
>> >>> SRC/sfx2/source/doc/objserv.**cxx:line 595-599 please.
>> >>> And, as what we imagine, after doing the file dialog executing with
>> >>> deselecting the check box of "Save with password", the result
>> parameter
>> >>> set, which is to customize saving process, wont record said 2 SID
>> inside
>> >>> anymore, for indicating that the following saving process will not
>> concern
>> >>> about the password stuff anymore.
>> >>> But when performing the exact preparation SaveAs process in
>> >>> SfxobjectShell::PreDoSaveAs_**impl(), only the the default
>> SID_PASSWORD
>> >>> was
>> >>> cleared, but  SID_ENCRYPTIONDATA  

Re: Build break in the "bean" module in windows 7 (x64)

[Herbert Duerr]

On 26.06.2012 12:05, shzh zhao wrote:

2012/6/18 shzh zhao 
[...]

LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__JAWT_GetAWT@8 referenced in


This could be this problem discussed in this Java forum:
https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=6464486

The source code in
main/bean/native/win32/com_sun_star_comp_beans_LocalOfficeWindow.c
only uses GetAWT. Maybe it has to be rewritten as suggested in fifth 
message of the forum discussion mentioned above.


Before rewriting I'd first try a clean build though.

Herbert

Re: [Call-for-​Review] Bug 119948 [Windows 8 certification]Windows App Certification Kit - Test for "Section 5 Apps must support a clean, reversible installation" is failed.

[O.Felka]

Hi,

> Please review the patch for 119948, for the win 8 certification check.


Issue link:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119948


Thanks.



As I have commented in the issue I still don't think that it's a good 
idea to move the fonts to the program directory.
I also don't like the idea that the installer removes the installed 
fonts. But this option is not as bad as having them in program/fonts.


Registering fonts to the system is an essential feature of an Office 
Suite as it has system wide impact.


Is there no way to change the MSI that the fonts will be removed at 
uninstall?

Do we know what is MS Office doing?

Groetjes,
Olaf

Re: Propose for 3.4.1: Can't remove password from file (119366)

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 26.06.2012 09:53, Fan Zheng wrote:
> Root cause:
> 
> Seems the logic of "Save As" and "Save" inside Apache OpenOffice is pretty
> weird anyway.
> A, inside AOO, the method SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf is the entry for storing
> file into the original URL path if it has one. Which means, such method is
> responsible to:
> 
> 1. Directly "Save" request, but exclude the very first time on "Save"
> without original URL path;
> 
> 2. "SaveAs" request, with the same URL information as former;
> 
> 
> B, as such method is only focus on storing back into to original file, it
> is designed as an incremental saving pattern for certain efficient
> consideration. Which means,
> such function do not allow external saving parameters except the ones on
> changing "Version Comments", "Author", "Interaction Handler" and "status
> Indicator".
> 
> C, "Saving with password" is a kind of external saving parameter. The
> saving parameters set will contain a password item inside, if users have
> enable the check box
> "Save with password" in "File Save As" dialog. Otherwise, saving parameters
> set wont contain password corresponding items.
> 
> Combine the above 3 conditions, we can take a deeper inside look of
> following scenarios:
> 
> 1. In the "Save" request, whatever the password originally enabled or not,
> as no further different setting applied, the storing process will directly
> apply the former saving parameters set, including the URL path and password
> setting stuff. Everything is OK.
> 
> 2. And in the "SaveAs" request with password originally disabled:
> 2.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" disabled in "File Save As"
> dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing process will directly
> apply the former saving parameters set, still with password disabled. Keep
> the consistence between UI setting and exact result and high efficiency;
> 2.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from disable to enable in
> "File Save As" dialog, as external saving parameter was added into saving
> parameters set, which do not satisfy the verification of parameters, such
> "SaveAs" request will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and
> actually finished inside the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled.
> Also keep the consistence between UI setting and exact result;
>   3. In the "SaveAs" request with password originally enabled:
> 3.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" enabled in "File Save As"
> dialog, as external saving parameter was added into saving parameters set,
> which do not satisfy the verification of parameters, such "SaveAs" request
> will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and actually finished inside
> the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled. Keep the consistence
> between UI setting and exact result, but with lower efficiency;
> 3.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from enabled to disabled in
> "File Save As" dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing process
> will directly apply the former saving parameters set, still with password
> enabled, as oppose to the UI setting. The issue happens.
> 
> So, a reasonable solution of this issue should be:
> 
> 1. No process and saving parameter change on scenario 1 and 2;
> 2. In scenario 3.1, remove the external password parameter as the
> originally enabled, and makes it finished in StoreSelf for higher
> efficiency;
> 3. In scenario 3.2, do not trying to use StoreSelf anyway;
> 
> 
> For you reference.
> 
> The code patch will be submitted for reviewing later.
> 

Thanks for this really deep and well founded analysis.

I am currently reviewing the new patch.


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: Propose Khmer language in download page

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/26/12 4:24 AM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:
> On 25-Jun-12 7:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:
 Could you please provide Khmer language pack in the official
 download page
 of Open Office?
>>> You mentioned on the ooo-users list that you had sent a Khmer
>>> translation in April.  Where did you send that?  To this list? As a
>>> Bugzilla attachment?
>>
>> Khoem was speaking about April 2011 (OpenOffice.org 3.4-beta); so it's
>> this issue, from the pre-Apache era:
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=117933
>> But some strings will have to be updated for OpenOffice 3.4.
> 
> 
> That's correct for Khmer translations.
> 
> And Could you please add Khmer in
> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/? If Khmer language
> available in Pootle, If it is available soon in Pootle my team can start
> updating for the release of 3.4.1.

Khmer is now available on the Pootle server with the content that I have
found. Please check it. Easier for now would be if you could work
offline. You can find the AOO 3.4 related po files (same as on the
Pootle server) under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/sdf/aoo34_km_po.tar.gz

When you have an update create an issue and attach the updated po files.

If offline doesn't work for you, use the Pootle server and let me know.

Juergen

> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Sokhem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>>
> 
> 

Re: Propose Khmer language in download page

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/26/12 2:32 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 6/26/12 4:24 AM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:
>> On 25-Jun-12 7:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>> Rob Weir wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:
> Could you please provide Khmer language pack in the official
> download page
> of Open Office?
 You mentioned on the ooo-users list that you had sent a Khmer
 translation in April.  Where did you send that?  To this list? As a
 Bugzilla attachment?
>>>
>>> Khoem was speaking about April 2011 (OpenOffice.org 3.4-beta); so it's
>>> this issue, from the pre-Apache era:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=117933
>>> But some strings will have to be updated for OpenOffice 3.4.
>>
>>
>> That's correct for Khmer translations.
>>
>> And Could you please add Khmer in
>> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/? If Khmer language
>> available in Pootle, If it is available soon in Pootle my team can start
>> updating for the release of 3.4.1.
> 
> Khmer is now available on the Pootle server with the content that I have
> found. Please check it. Easier for now would be if you could work
> offline. You can find the AOO 3.4 related po files (same as on the
> Pootle server) under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/sdf/aoo34_km_po.tar.gz
> 
> When you have an update create an issue and attach the updated po files.
> 
> If offline doesn't work for you, use the Pootle server and let me know.

too fast, the store update for Khmer help on the Pootle server is still
ongoing, please be patient...

Juergen

Re: Propose Khmer language in download page

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/26/12 2:34 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 6/26/12 2:32 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> On 6/26/12 4:24 AM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:
>>> On 25-Jun-12 7:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:
>> Could you please provide Khmer language pack in the official
>> download page
>> of Open Office?
> You mentioned on the ooo-users list that you had sent a Khmer
> translation in April.  Where did you send that?  To this list? As a
> Bugzilla attachment?

 Khoem was speaking about April 2011 (OpenOffice.org 3.4-beta); so it's
 this issue, from the pre-Apache era:
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=117933
 But some strings will have to be updated for OpenOffice 3.4.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's correct for Khmer translations.
>>>
>>> And Could you please add Khmer in
>>> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/? If Khmer language
>>> available in Pootle, If it is available soon in Pootle my team can start
>>> updating for the release of 3.4.1.
>>
>> Khmer is now available on the Pootle server with the content that I have
>> found. Please check it. Easier for now would be if you could work
>> offline. You can find the AOO 3.4 related po files (same as on the
>> Pootle server) under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/sdf/aoo34_km_po.tar.gz
>>
>> When you have an update create an issue and attach the updated po files.
>>
>> If offline doesn't work for you, use the Pootle server and let me know.
> 
> too fast, the store update for Khmer help on the Pootle server is still
> ongoing, please be patient...

ok now it is available, looks not bad

UI 97 - 2335 words need translation
Help 99% - 4252 words need translation

Juergen

> 
> Juergen
> 

[Call for UX review] [Windows 8 certification]Test for "Section 11 Apps must support multi-user sessions" is not tested by Windows App Certification Kit

[Lin Yuan]

AOO will crash if launch mutiple times from diffrent terminal sessions for
the same user.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119950
To prevent the crash, when AOO is  launched in a second terminal seesion
for one user, a warning dialog will popup and remind user to close the
first AOO. Then the second AOO will exit.
So in the fix patch, A new fatal error dailog is added to support this.
Please help review if the dialog and the message could be used for this
scenario. Thanks.
The screen snapshot of the dialog can be downloaded from the link below
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=78482
The patch can be viewed from link below
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=78481&action=diff

Thanks,
Lin Yuan

Replacing old Publisher with Open Office

[wkso]

Hello, 
I am a observer for the National Weather Service and I use a old version of 
Microsoft Publisher to enter and publish my daily observations...with publisher 
I can set up a file/folder and insert multiple pages at once, putting the same 
text on each page thereby eliminating having to type or copy and paste to every 
page, can just enter the numerical data from my instruments on a daily basis… 
I have been researching and experimenting with Open Office but unable at this 
time to find a method where I can do on Open Office, what I can on 
Publisher..it seems all you have is “Page Break”..is there a method with your 
program that I can use like in Publisher??. Would appreciate any feedback or 
assistance you can give me at this time as I am looking for a replacement for 
Publisher.. 

Thank you, 
Larry Woller 
COOP/SWOP Observer, NWS, ILX 
Ogden, Illinois 61859 

Re: Replacing old Publisher with Open Office

[RGB ES]

2012/6/26  :
> Hello,
> I am a observer for the National Weather Service and I use a old version of 
> Microsoft Publisher to enter and publish my daily observations...with 
> publisher I can set up a file/folder and insert multiple pages at once, 
> putting the same text on each page thereby eliminating having to type or copy 
> and paste to every page, can just enter the numerical data from my 
> instruments on a daily basis…
> I have been researching and experimenting with Open Office but unable at this 
> time to find a method where I can do on Open Office, what I can on 
> Publisher..it seems all you have is “Page Break”..is there a method with your 
> program that I can use like in Publisher??. Would appreciate any feedback or 
> assistance you can give me at this time as I am looking for a replacement for 
> Publisher..
>
> Thank you,
> Larry Woller
> COOP/SWOP Observer, NWS, ILX
> Ogden, Illinois 61859
>

Writer is not a DPT program: it is based on content flow, not on page
layout like, for example, scribus. Bot nothing prevent you from
copy/paste that "unit of content" you want to repeat several times,
separating each one with a page break. You can even automate those
page breaks: it is really easy to associate a page break with a
particular paragraph style so you can set the first paragraph of the
"block" to automatically insert a page break before it.

With Writer you can also think of keeping a one page document and pick
you data from a database... but that's another question ;)

For any problem with Writer or any other component, you can use our
community forums:

http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php

Regards

Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dave Fisher wrote:

Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry
for our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.


Was it really necessary? In the meantime, Rob had edited the blog 
entries to insert:


(Apache OpenOffice is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache 
Software Foundation.)


and this seems a good trade-off to me, much more than adding 
"(incubating)" to the title, which will confuse users, especially 
non-native speakers (but also native speakers won't always be able to 
guess what "incubating" means in this context).


Honestly, I'd be for linking "undergoing Incubation" (in the clauses Rob 
added) to Don's post 
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/what_is_a_podling or some more 
official explanation, and removing "(incubating)" from the titles.


This would give all interested parties the opportunity to discover what 
"incubating" means, which is probably the rationale behind the rule to 
use "(incubating)" everywhere, and at the same time would keep titles 
easily readable.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [Call for UX review] [Windows 8 certification]Test for "Section 11 Apps must support multi-user sessions" is not tested by Windows App Certification Kit

[Joost Andrae]

Hi,

Am 26.06.2012 14:53, schrieb Lin Yuan:

AOO will crash if launch mutiple times from diffrent terminal sessions for
the same user.


but in a Windows Terminal Server session you have user profiles for each 
user.


Install OpenOffice using the /a (administrative) option within the 
administrator session. Then login once as user and start the soffice 
process. Then fine tune and copy the OpenOffice user profile to each 
user directory within a Terminal Server installation. Using Citrix this 
is the same as when using MS Terminal Server.


Kind regards, Joost

Re: [Call for UX review] [Windows 8 certification]Test for "Section 11 Apps must support multi-user sessions" is not tested by Windows App Certification Kit

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 26.06.2012 14:53, schrieb Lin Yuan:
>
>> AOO will crash if launch mutiple times from diffrent terminal sessions for
>> the same user.
>
>
> but in a Windows Terminal Server session you have user profiles for each
> user.
>

This patch is for if you connect with Terminal Services twice using
the same user account.

-Rob

> Install OpenOffice using the /a (administrative) option within the
> administrator session. Then login once as user and start the soffice
> process. Then fine tune and copy the OpenOffice user profile to each user
> directory within a Terminal Server installation. Using Citrix this is the
> same as when using MS Terminal Server.
>
> Kind regards, Joost
>

Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[drew jensen]

On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Howdy,
> >>>
> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to use
> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
> >>>
> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
> >>>
> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
> >>>
> >>> Two files added here:
> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
> >>>
> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
> >>>
> >>
> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
> >>
> > 
> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
> > image, not my CD burning.
> 
> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)

> 
> Juergen
> 
> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?
> 

No it doesn't have an autorun file.

By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?


> autorun.inf:
> [autorun]
> open=.exe
> icon= myicon.ico
> 
> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
> files directly.
> 
> 
> > 
> > -Rob
> > 
> >> But a few quick observations:
> >>
> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
> >> that would trigger this?
> >>
> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
> >> saying "I don't know how"
> >>
> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
> >> OpenOfice project"
> >>
> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>> What's in them currently?
> >>>
> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
> >>>
> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
> >>> - Windows English(us) full install package
> >>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
> >>> - Windows SDK
> >>>
> >>> Documents, all as PDF
> >>> - Installation Guide
> >>> - Getting Started Guide
> >>> - Administration Guide
> >>> - Basic Programmers Guide
> >>> - Developers Guide
> >>>
> >>> HTML files
> >>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
> >>> - Files (started from website page - done)
> >>> - Instructions (not close to done)
> >>> - Conatct [support] (could be done maybe)
> >>> - Release Notes [notes] (copy of webstie page, added one graphic - done)
> >>> - License (not done)
> >>> - java (copy of website page - done)
> >>> - sys_reqs_aoo34 (copy of webstie page)
> >>> - ooo.css and style.css from webstie, 1 changes in each file
> >>>
> >>> Print ready artwork for packaging
> >>> - Thin / Tall DVD case cover
> >>> - Cut/Fold CD envelope template
> >>> - Pre-fab sleeve cover
> >>> - disk label
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >>>
> >>> All the files in the cd-aoo-34-bin.iso and the source files tar ball,
> >>> along with changes to a couple of html files.
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> So - there are things I see to do on each piece here still.
> >>>
> >>> I do not expect to add any other artifacts at this point.
> >>>
> >>> For today I want to finish up an the install help page(s).
> >>>
> >>> Right now though any general feedback on _any_ of it is welcomed.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> //drew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> 

Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry
>> for our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.
>
>
> Was it really necessary? In the meantime, Rob had edited the blog entries to
> insert:
>
> (Apache OpenOffice is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache Software
> Foundation.)
>
> and this seems a good trade-off to me, much more than adding "(incubating)"
> to the title, which will confuse users, especially non-native speakers (but
> also native speakers won't always be able to guess what "incubating" means
> in this context).
>

+1.

In fact, if you look at the IPMC's requirements for this, they are
here:   http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html

"Naming

After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
initial code drop has commenced, the podling MUST be referred to as
Apache "Podling-Name" AND mention that the project is under
Incubation. Suitable mentions include:

-- Inclusion of the http://incubator.apache.org/"podling-name"; URL
---Apache "Podling-Name" is currently undergoing Incubation at the
Apache Software Foundation.

Other references may only be used upon prior approval by the Incubator
PMC. These statements only need to be disclosed upon the first
reference in a document."

Note that two incubation-disclaimers are given, and that neither one
of them are what Dave did.

> Honestly, I'd be for linking "undergoing Incubation" (in the clauses Rob
> added) to Don's post https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/what_is_a_podling or
> some more official explanation, and removing "(incubating)" from the titles.
>
> This would give all interested parties the opportunity to discover what
> "incubating" means, which is probably the rationale behind the rule to use
> "(incubating)" everywhere, and at the same time would keep titles easily
> readable.
>

+1

One issue, I think, is that users have no idea what "(incubating)"
means.  I had one user write me and joke about aliens in pods.   We
shouldn't be leading with out-of-context internal Apache process
jargon.  Perhaps that is why the Podling Branding Guide makes the
suggestions it does, and which I had already made to the post.

-Rob

> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Re: [Call For Review] Bugzilla 119963

[Fan Zheng]

I have attached a series of sample files for FVT in Bugzilla. For you
reference.

2012/6/14 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 

> Hi,
>
>
> On 14.06.2012 13:58, chengjh wrote:
>
>> This is the I implementation of  the proposal described in thread "Propose
>> to Implement the Loading of TOC and Improve TOC Fidelity with MS Word
>> Binary Document"..review comments expected...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Fan Zheng
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi, all:
>>>
>>> This is ZhengFan. I have finished the bug fix/feature implementation of
>>> bugzilla 119963. Now the patch was attached for review. Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>> Here is the link:
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119963
>>>
>>>
>>
> I am volunteering to review the patch.
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>

Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"

[RGB ES]

2012/6/26 Andrea Pescetti :
> Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry
>> for our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.
>
>
> Was it really necessary? In the meantime, Rob had edited the blog entries to
> insert:
>
> (Apache OpenOffice is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache Software
> Foundation.)
>
> and this seems a good trade-off to me, much more than adding "(incubating)"
> to the title, which will confuse users, especially non-native speakers (but
> also native speakers won't always be able to guess what "incubating" means
> in this context).
>
> Honestly, I'd be for linking "undergoing Incubation" (in the clauses Rob
> added) to Don's post https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/what_is_a_podling or
> some more official explanation, and removing "(incubating)" from the titles.
>
> This would give all interested parties the opportunity to discover what
> "incubating" means, which is probably the rationale behind the rule to use
> "(incubating)" everywhere, and at the same time would keep titles easily
> readable.
>
> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Agree: a couple of days ago a new user on the Spanish forums said she
was afraid to download 3.4 because she believed that "incubating" was
a synonym of "beta software" or something like that... OK, that was an
extreme reaction, but most people are confused by the "incubating"
term.

Regards
Ricardo

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]Release Bloker: proposing "Bug 119803 - After upgrading to 3.4 RTF User Fields are not saving"

[Lin Yuan]

In cws vmiklos01, the field export for rtf filter and ms word filter is
integrated into AttributeOutputBase::TextField() in
sw\source\filter\ww8\ww8atr.cxx . However, the processing for user field
and db field is different for rtf and ms word filter. And In  AOO3.4 the
processing for the two fields is missed in rtf export filter. I have
submitted a patch to 119803 that add
the processing for the two field for rtf filter to
RtfAttributeOutput::WriteExpand() in
sw\source\filter\ww8\rtfattributeoutput.cxx
Please help reivew it. Thanks

[1] bug 119803
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119803
[2] patch to fix 119803
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=78498&action=diff

Thanks,
Lin Yuan
2012/6/21 Lin Yuan 

> May related to CWS vmiklos01 which refactor the RTF filter. Seems some
> field related processing in sw\source\filter\ww8\rtfattributeoutput.cxx is
> not implemented yet. I will do more investigation to know how many codes
> need to be added and if it can be contained in 3.4.1 scope.
>
>
> 2012/6/21 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
>> On 6/21/12 3:45 AM, YangTerry wrote:
>> >
>> > Re-send it, seems failed last time.
>> >
>> > This is a bug about user fields lost after save in RTF file.
>> > This is a regression issue, it is work fine in OOo 3.3.
>> >> ej19...@gmail.com
>> >>   2012-06-07 10:23:13 UTC
>> >> To duplicate:
>> >> Create a rtf document with a version < 3.4.
>> >> Menu Options
>> >> Insert
>> >> -Field
>> >> --Other
>> >> ---User Fields
>> >>
>> >> At this point the variable list is shown.
>> >>
>> >> Insert a new variable and click the green check.
>> >>
>> >> The variable shows up in the list and appears to be saving.
>> >>
>> >> Insert the variable into the document to use it.
>> >>
>> >> Close the doc and reopen.
>> >>
>> >> When the document reopens the variable is not present and is
>> de-referenced in the doc.
>> >>
>> >> This appears to be a critical error.  This function is used by many
>> developers along with UNO to published merged documents.
>> >>
>> >> Resolution:  Downgrade OpenOffice to <3.4.
>> >>
>>
>> +1 if it's a regression than it's fine for me. Who will take care of
>> this issue?
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Replacing old Publisher with Open Office

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:23:56 +0200
RGB ES  wrote:

> 2012/6/26  :
> > Hello,
> > I am a observer for the National Weather Service and I use a old version of 
> > Microsoft Publisher to enter and publish my daily observations...with 
> > publisher I can set up a file/folder and insert multiple pages at once, 
> > putting the same text on each page thereby eliminating having to type or 
> > copy and paste to every page, can just enter the numerical data from my 
> > instruments on a daily basis…
> > I have been researching and experimenting with Open Office but unable at 
> > this time to find a method where I can do on Open Office, what I can on 
> > Publisher..it seems all you have is “Page Break”..is there a method with 
> > your program that I can use like in Publisher??. Would appreciate any 
> > feedback or assistance you can give me at this time as I am looking for a 
> > replacement for Publisher..
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Larry Woller
> > COOP/SWOP Observer, NWS, ILX
> > Ogden, Illinois 61859
> >
> 
> Writer is not a DPT program: it is based on content flow, not on page
> layout like, for example, scribus. Bot nothing prevent you from
> copy/paste that "unit of content" you want to repeat several times,
> separating each one with a page break. You can even automate those
> page breaks: it is really easy to associate a page break with a
> particular paragraph style so you can set the first paragraph of the
> "block" to automatically insert a page break before it.
> 
> With Writer you can also think of keeping a one page document and pick
> you data from a database... but that's another question ;)
> 
> For any problem with Writer or any other component, you can use our
> community forums:
> 
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php
> 
> Regards
> 

It should be possible to set up a Template which had all the headings and 
spaces laid out; it is only then necessary to fill in the particulars.  See 
this tutorial on creating a new default template
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1161

I would suggest you bring this query to the Forum at
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/
which will advise how best to approach this problem. 

It might also be approached by linking a database to OpenOffice's Base (a front 
end) and using that to populate a report form.


-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
 wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> Howdy,
>> >>>
>> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to use
>> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
>> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
>> >>>
>> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
>> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
>> >>>
>> >>> Two files added here:
>> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
>> >>>
>> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
>> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
>> > image, not my CD burning.
>>
>> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
>
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?
>>
>
> No it doesn't have an autorun file.
>
> By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
> sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
> about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
>

We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.

What's the issue?

-Rob

>
>> autorun.inf:
>> [autorun]
>> open=.exe
>> icon= myicon.ico
>>
>> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
>> files directly.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>> >> But a few quick observations:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
>> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
>> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
>> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
>> >> that would trigger this?
>> >>
>> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
>> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
>> >> saying "I don't know how"
>> >>
>> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
>> >> OpenOfice project"
>> >>
>> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
>> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >>> What's in them currently?
>> >>>
>> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
>> >>>
>> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
>> >>> - Windows English(us) full install package
>> >>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
>> >>> - Windows SDK
>> >>>
>> >>> Documents, all as PDF
>> >>> - Installation Guide
>> >>> - Getting Started Guide
>> >>> - Administration Guide
>> >>> - Basic Programmers Guide
>> >>> - Developers Guide
>> >>>
>> >>> HTML files
>> >>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
>> >>> - Files (started from website page - done)
>> >>> - Instructions (not close to done)
>> >>> - Conatct [support] (could be done maybe)
>> >>> - Release Notes [notes] (copy of webstie page, added one graphic - done)
>> >>> - License (not done)
>> >>> - java (copy of website page - done)
>> >>> - sys_reqs_aoo34 (copy of webstie page)
>> >>> - ooo.css and style.css from webstie, 1 changes in each file
>> >>>
>> >>> Print ready artwork for packaging
>> >>> - Thin / Tall DVD case cover
>> >>> - Cut/Fold CD envelope template
>> >>> - Pre-fab sleeve cover
>> >>> - disk label
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>> >>>
>> >>> All the files in the cd-aoo-34-bin.iso and the source files tar ball,
>> >>> along with changes to a couple of html files.
>> >>>
>> >>> ---
>> >>>
>> >>> So - there are things I see to do on each piece here still.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do not expect to add any other artifacts at this point.
>> >>>
>> >>> For today I want to finish up an the install help page(s).
>> >>>
>> >>> Right now though any general feedback on _any_ of it is welcomed.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> //drew
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
>>
>
>

[OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[drew]

On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>> Howdy,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to use
> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Two files added here:
> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
> >> >>>
> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
> >> > image, not my CD burning.
> >>
> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
> >
> >>
> >> Juergen
> >>
> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?
> >>
> >
> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
> >
> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
> >
> 
> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
> 
> What's the issue?

What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
- what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
and all that BS?

> 
> -Rob
> 
> >
> >> autorun.inf:
> >> [autorun]
> >> open=.exe
> >> icon= myicon.ico
> >>
> >> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
> >> files directly.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > -Rob
> >> >
> >> >> But a few quick observations:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
> >> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
> >> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
> >> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
> >> >> that would trigger this?
> >> >>
> >> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
> >> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
> >> >> saying "I don't know how"
> >> >>
> >> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
> >> >> OpenOfice project"
> >> >>
> >> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
> >> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
> >> >>
> >> >> -Rob
> >> >>
> >> >>> What's in them currently?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
> >> >>> - Windows English(us) full install package
> >> >>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
> >> >>> - Windows SDK
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Documents, all as PDF
> >> >>> - Installation Guide
> >> >>> - Getting Started Guide
> >> >>> - Administration Guide
> >> >>> - Basic Programmers Guide
> >> >>> - Developers Guide
> >> >>>
> >> >>> HTML files
> >> >>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
> >> >>> - Files (started from website page - done)
> >> >>> - Instructions (not close to done)
> >> >>> - Conatct [support] (could be done maybe)
> >> >>> - Release Notes [notes] (copy of webstie page, added one graphic - 
> >> >>> done)
> >> >>> - License (not done)
> >> >>> - java (copy of website page - done)
> >> >>> - sys_reqs_aoo34 (copy of webstie page)
> >> >>> - ooo.css and style.css from webstie, 1 changes in each file
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Print ready artwork for packaging
> >> >>> - Thin / Tall DVD case cover
> >> >>> - Cut/Fold CD envelope template
> >> >>> - Pre-fab sleeve cover
> >> >>> - disk label
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All the files in the cd-aoo-34-bin.iso and the source files tar ball,
> >> >>> along with changes to a couple of html files.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ---
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So - there are things I see to do on each piece here still.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I do not expect to add any other artifacts at this point.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> For today I want to finish up an the install he

Re: Replacing old Publisher with Open Office

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:08:42 +0100
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:23:56 +0200
> RGB ES  wrote:
> 
> > 2012/6/26  :
> > > Hello,
> > > I am a observer for the National Weather Service and I use a old version 
> > > of Microsoft Publisher to enter and publish my daily observations...with 
> > > publisher I can set up a file/folder and insert multiple pages at once, 
> > > putting the same text on each page thereby eliminating having to type or 
> > > copy and paste to every page, can just enter the numerical data from my 
> > > instruments on a daily basis…
> > > I have been researching and experimenting with Open Office but unable at 
> > > this time to find a method where I can do on Open Office, what I can on 
> > > Publisher..it seems all you have is “Page Break”..is there a method with 
> > > your program that I can use like in Publisher??. Would appreciate any 
> > > feedback or assistance you can give me at this time as I am looking for a 
> > > replacement for Publisher..
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Larry Woller
> > > COOP/SWOP Observer, NWS, ILX
> > > Ogden, Illinois 61859
> > >
> > 
> > Writer is not a DPT program: it is based on content flow, not on page
> > layout like, for example, scribus. Bot nothing prevent you from
> > copy/paste that "unit of content" you want to repeat several times,
> > separating each one with a page break. You can even automate those
> > page breaks: it is really easy to associate a page break with a
> > particular paragraph style so you can set the first paragraph of the
> > "block" to automatically insert a page break before it.
> > 
> > With Writer you can also think of keeping a one page document and pick
> > you data from a database... but that's another question ;)
> > 
> > For any problem with Writer or any other component, you can use our
> > community forums:
> > 
> > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> 
> It should be possible to set up a Template which had all the headings and 
> spaces laid out; it is only then necessary to fill in the particulars.  See 
> this tutorial on creating a new default template
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1161
> 
> I would suggest you bring this query to the Forum at
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/
> which will advise how best to approach this problem. 
> 
> It might also be approached by linking a database to OpenOffice's Base (a 
> front end) and using that to populate a report form.
> 

There may be helpful information at
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/0/0d/0215WG33-UsingFormsInWriter.odt

This is for v3.3 of OpenOffice, but in respect of Writer the information should 
still be valid for 3.4.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Propose for 3.4.1: Can't remove password from file (119366)

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 26.06.2012 14:05, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 26.06.2012 09:53, Fan Zheng wrote:

Root cause:

Seems the logic of "Save As" and "Save" inside Apache OpenOffice is pretty
weird anyway.
A, inside AOO, the method SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf is the entry for storing
file into the original URL path if it has one. Which means, such method is
responsible to:

1. Directly "Save" request, but exclude the very first time on "Save"
without original URL path;

2. "SaveAs" request, with the same URL information as former;


B, as such method is only focus on storing back into to original file, it
is designed as an incremental saving pattern for certain efficient
consideration. Which means,
such function do not allow external saving parameters except the ones on
changing "Version Comments", "Author", "Interaction Handler" and "status
Indicator".

C, "Saving with password" is a kind of external saving parameter. The
saving parameters set will contain a password item inside, if users have
enable the check box
"Save with password" in "File Save As" dialog. Otherwise, saving parameters
set wont contain password corresponding items.

Combine the above 3 conditions, we can take a deeper inside look of
following scenarios:

1. In the "Save" request, whatever the password originally enabled or not,
as no further different setting applied, the storing process will directly
apply the former saving parameters set, including the URL path and password
setting stuff. Everything is OK.

2. And in the "SaveAs" request with password originally disabled:
2.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" disabled in "File Save As"
dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing process will directly
apply the former saving parameters set, still with password disabled. Keep
the consistence between UI setting and exact result and high efficiency;
2.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from disable to enable in
"File Save As" dialog, as external saving parameter was added into saving
parameters set, which do not satisfy the verification of parameters, such
"SaveAs" request will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and
actually finished inside the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled.
Also keep the consistence between UI setting and exact result;
   3. In the "SaveAs" request with password originally enabled:
3.1 If the user keep the "Save with password" enabled in "File Save As"
dialog, as external saving parameter was added into saving parameters set,
which do not satisfy the verification of parameters, such "SaveAs" request
will be returned from SfxBaseModel::StoreSelf, and actually finished inside
the common "SaveAs" method with password enabled. Keep the consistence
between UI setting and exact result, but with lower efficiency;
3.2 If the user change the "Save with password" from enabled to disabled in
"File Save As" dialog, as no further setting applied, the storing process
will directly apply the former saving parameters set, still with password
enabled, as oppose to the UI setting. The issue happens.

So, a reasonable solution of this issue should be:

1. No process and saving parameter change on scenario 1 and 2;
2. In scenario 3.1, remove the external password parameter as the
originally enabled, and makes it finished in StoreSelf for higher
efficiency;
3. In scenario 3.2, do not trying to use StoreSelf anyway;


For you reference.

The code patch will be submitted for reviewing later.



Thanks for this really deep and well founded analysis.

I am currently reviewing the new patch.




patch looks good - I will commit it to trunk and branch AOO34 soon.
Thx ZhengFan.

Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:24 PM, drew  wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
>>  wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>> Howdy,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
>> >> >>> use
>> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
>> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
>> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Two files added here:
>> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
>> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
>> >> > image, not my CD burning.
>> >>
>> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Juergen
>> >>
>> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
>> >
>> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
>> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
>> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
>> >
>>
>> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
>> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
>> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
>> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
>>
>> What's the issue?
>
> What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> and all that BS?

We have a conf call planned for this Thursday, I don't think we have
any blocker. The only issue I've been reading about is all about the
fact that part of the discussion about the organization has not been
held on the usual channels. As a result some of us were not aware of
the fact the next ODF-Plugfest was going to be held concurrently with
LO event, so when the news come out it was a kind of surprise.

So said, we're on track to start working on making it happen.

Roberto




>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >> autorun.inf:
>> >> [autorun]
>> >> open=.exe
>> >> icon= myicon.ico
>> >>
>> >> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
>> >> files directly.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > -Rob
>> >> >
>> >> >> But a few quick observations:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
>> >> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
>> >> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
>> >> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
>> >> >> that would trigger this?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
>> >> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
>> >> >> saying "I don't know how"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
>> >> >> OpenOfice project"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
>> >> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Rob
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> What's in them currently?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
>> >> >>> - Windows English(us) full install package
>> >> >>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
>> >> >>> - Windows SDK
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Documents, all as PDF
>> >> >>> - Installation Guide
>> >> >>> - Getting Started Guide
>> >> >>> - Administration Guide
>> >> >>> - Basic Programmers Guide
>> >> >>> - Developers Guide
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> HTML files
>> >> >>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
>> >> >>> - Files (started from website page - done)
>> >> >>> - Instructions (not close to done)
>> >> >>> - Conatct [support] (could be done maybe)
>> >> >>> - Release Notes [notes] (copy of webstie page, added one graphic - 
>> >> >>> done)
>> >> >>> - License (not done)
>> >> >>> - java (copy of website page - done)
>> >> >>> - sys_reqs_aoo34 (copy of webstie page)
>> >> >>> - ooo.css and st

Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, drew  wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
>>  wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>> Howdy,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
>> >> >>> use
>> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
>> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
>> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Two files added here:
>> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
>> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
>> >> > image, not my CD burning.
>> >>
>> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Juergen
>> >>
>> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
>> >
>> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
>> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
>> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
>> >
>>
>> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
>> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
>> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
>> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
>>
>> What's the issue?
>
> What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> and all that BS?
>

You'll need to ask someone in LO, probably Charles Schutz.  He is the
one making accusations  My attempts to fathom what he is talking about
have failed.

In terms of facts:

1) There is a Program Committee for organizing Plugfests.  They do
their work on this mailing list:
https://open.nlnet.nl/mailman/listinfo/plugtest-organisers

2) No one from LibreOffice has requested to use the term "ODF
Plugfest" on this mailing list.

3) No one from LibreOffice has sent a proposal to hold a Plugfest to this list.

4) No one (to my knowledge) from IBM has opposed or even given an
opinion on TDF hosting a Plugfest.

You can review the complete thread here and correlate it to Charle's
assertions on the LO marketing list:

https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/thread.html

-Rob

>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >> autorun.inf:
>> >> [autorun]
>> >> open=.exe
>> >> icon= myicon.ico
>> >>
>> >> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
>> >> files directly.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > -Rob
>> >> >
>> >> >> But a few quick observations:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
>> >> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
>> >> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
>> >> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
>> >> >> that would trigger this?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
>> >> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
>> >> >> saying "I don't know how"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
>> >> >> OpenOfice project"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
>> >> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Rob
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> What's in them currently?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
>> >> >>> - Windows English(us) full install package
>> >> >>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
>> >> >>> - Windows SDK
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Documents, all as PDF
>> >> >>> - Installation Guide
>> >> >>> - Getting Started Guide
>> >> >>> - Administration Guide
>> >> >>> - Basic Programmers Guide
>> >> >>> - Developers Guide
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> HTML files
>> >> >>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
>> >> >>> - Files (started from website page - done)
>> >> >>> - Instructions (

Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> 2012/6/26 Andrea Pescetti :
>> Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry
>>> for our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.
>>
>>
>> Was it really necessary? In the meantime, Rob had edited the blog entries to
>> insert:
>>
>> (Apache OpenOffice is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache Software
>> Foundation.)
>>
>> and this seems a good trade-off to me, much more than adding "(incubating)"
>> to the title, which will confuse users, especially non-native speakers (but
>> also native speakers won't always be able to guess what "incubating" means
>> in this context).
>>
>> Honestly, I'd be for linking "undergoing Incubation" (in the clauses Rob
>> added) to Don's post https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/what_is_a_podling or
>> some more official explanation, and removing "(incubating)" from the titles.
>>
>> This would give all interested parties the opportunity to discover what
>> "incubating" means, which is probably the rationale behind the rule to use
>> "(incubating)" everywhere, and at the same time would keep titles easily
>> readable.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Andrea.
>
> Agree: a couple of days ago a new user on the Spanish forums said she
> was afraid to download 3.4 because she believed that "incubating" was
> a synonym of "beta software" or something like that... OK, that was an
> extreme reaction, but most people are confused by the "incubating"
> term.
>

So the nice thing about putting the reference in the body of the post
rather than the title is that you can link it to the Incubator
website, something you can't do in the title.  So you can give it some
context.

-Rob

> Regards
> Ricardo

Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[drew]

On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:34 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, drew  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
> >>  wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>> Howdy,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
> >> >> >>> use
> >> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help 
> >> >> >>> in
> >> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I 
> >> >> >>> have
> >> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Two files added here:
> >> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
> >> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
> >> >> > image, not my CD burning.
> >> >>
> >> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Juergen
> >> >>
> >> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf 
> >> >> file?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
> >> >
> >> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
> >> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
> >> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
> >> >
> >>
> >> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
> >> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
> >> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
> >> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
> >>
> >> What's the issue?
> >
> > What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> > Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> > but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> > - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> > and all that BS?
> >
> 
> You'll need to ask someone in LO, probably Charles Schutz.  He is the
> one making accusations  My attempts to fathom what he is talking about
> have failed.
> 
> In terms of facts:
> 
> 1) There is a Program Committee for organizing Plugfests.  They do
> their work on this mailing list:
> https://open.nlnet.nl/mailman/listinfo/plugtest-organisers
> 
> 2) No one from LibreOffice has requested to use the term "ODF
> Plugfest" on this mailing list.
> 
> 3) No one from LibreOffice has sent a proposal to hold a Plugfest to this 
> list.
> 
> 4) No one (to my knowledge) from IBM has opposed or even given an
> opinion on TDF hosting a Plugfest.
> 
> You can review the complete thread here and correlate it to Charle's
> assertions on the LO marketing list:
> 
> https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/thread.html
> 
> -Rob

Thank you - I will indeed ask Charles why he said what he did then.

now back to the regularly scheduled show for this channel :)


> 
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> autorun.inf:
> >> >> [autorun]
> >> >> open=.exe
> >> >> icon= myicon.ico
> >> >>
> >> >> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
> >> >> files directly.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Rob
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> But a few quick observations:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
> >> >> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
> >> >> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
> >> >> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
> >> >> >> that would trigger this?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
> >> >> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
> >> >> >> saying "I don't know how"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
> >> >> >> OpenOfice project"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
> >> >> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -Rob
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> What's in them currently?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
> >> >> >>> - Windows Eng

Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/26/12 4:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry
>>> for our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.
>>
>>
>> Was it really necessary? In the meantime, Rob had edited the blog entries to
>> insert:
>>
>> (Apache OpenOffice is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache Software
>> Foundation.)
>>
>> and this seems a good trade-off to me, much more than adding "(incubating)"
>> to the title, which will confuse users, especially non-native speakers (but
>> also native speakers won't always be able to guess what "incubating" means
>> in this context).
>>
> 
> +1.
> 
> In fact, if you look at the IPMC's requirements for this, they are
> here:   http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> 
> "Naming
> 
> After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
> initial code drop has commenced, the podling MUST be referred to as
> Apache "Podling-Name" AND mention that the project is under
> Incubation. Suitable mentions include:
> 
> -- Inclusion of the http://incubator.apache.org/"podling-name"; URL
> ---Apache "Podling-Name" is currently undergoing Incubation at the
> Apache Software Foundation.
> 
> Other references may only be used upon prior approval by the Incubator
> PMC. These statements only need to be disclosed upon the first
> reference in a document."
> 
> Note that two incubation-disclaimers are given, and that neither one
> of them are what Dave did.

I am wondering as well and I agree that it was somewhat superfluous. But
we shouldn't stress it any longer and should focus on the right actions
forward to graduate.

I think that is the best thing we can do... I personally don't have
interest in any further teaching lesson.

Juergen

> 
>> Honestly, I'd be for linking "undergoing Incubation" (in the clauses Rob
>> added) to Don's post https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/what_is_a_podling or
>> some more official explanation, and removing "(incubating)" from the titles.
>>
>> This would give all interested parties the opportunity to discover what
>> "incubating" means, which is probably the rationale behind the rule to use
>> "(incubating)" everywhere, and at the same time would keep titles easily
>> readable.
>>
> 
> +1
> 
> One issue, I think, is that users have no idea what "(incubating)"
> means.  I had one user write me and joke about aliens in pods.   We
> shouldn't be leading with out-of-context internal Apache process
> jargon.  Perhaps that is why the Podling Branding Guide makes the
> suggestions it does, and which I had already made to the post.
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Regards,
>>  Andrea.

Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

[drew]

On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 16:33 +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:24 PM, drew  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
> >>  wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>> Howdy,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
> >> >> >>> use
> >> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help 
> >> >> >>> in
> >> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I 
> >> >> >>> have
> >> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Two files added here:
> >> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
> >> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
> >> >> > image, not my CD burning.
> >> >>
> >> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Juergen
> >> >>
> >> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf 
> >> >> file?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
> >> >
> >> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
> >> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
> >> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
> >> >
> >>
> >> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
> >> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
> >> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
> >> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
> >>
> >> What's the issue?
> >
> > What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> > Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> > but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> > - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> > and all that BS?
> 
> We have a conf call planned for this Thursday, I don't think we have
> any blocker. The only issue I've been reading about is all about the
> fact that part of the discussion about the organization has not been
> held on the usual channels. As a result some of us were not aware of
> the fact the next ODF-Plugfest was going to be held concurrently with
> LO event, so when the news come out it was a kind of surprise.
> 
> So said, we're on track to start working on making it happen.
> 
> Roberto

Thanks for the reply Roberto - and sorry to digress on this list
actually.

//drew

AOO testing status update as of 2012/06/26

[Ji Yan]

HI all,

   After AOO 3.4 release, we, QE, volunteer didn't send out weekly report
to brief our activity, to make sure we are on the same page, I'll update
you with our main activity and achievement:
1. Built up VCLAuto framework which has been deliver to trunk stream,
anyone with Java experience is able to write test script under this
framework.
2. 252 defect opened by people from IBM Symphony team which the defect
doesn't exist in Symphony.
3. Confirmed 174 UNCONFIRMED issues in bugzilla.
4. Verified  184 RESOLVED issues in bugzilla
5. Work out AOO 3.4.1 test plan and put it on wiki page
6. Start AOO 3.4.1 fixed defect verification
7. AOO 3.4.1 general usage testing is ongoing.

I'll keep you post with AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 3.5 testing status in next week.
-- 


Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji

Re: [UX][Volunteers Needed] - Harvesting Social Data

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Kevin Grignon
 wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> As mentioned in an earlier post, collectively, our social assets present a
> huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight,
> feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our future
> product direction.
>
> Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is
> an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate
> sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives.
> However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant
> and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost.
>
> Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites.
> Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and
> actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
>
> To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture
> everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture
> any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development
> decisions in the future. Some data is better than none.
>
> Also, some international AOO contributors cannot access some social media
> sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant
> and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
>
> I have created a number of pages within the AOO UX wiki [1] for harvesting
> and capturing social data.
>
> [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data
>
> I invite everyone to harvest insight from our social media and post to the
> wiki. If you see something relevant, that could be actionable, please
> harvest this information and post to the wiki. Feel free to tweak the
> document table format to suite the content.
>

So it looks like your idea for the wiki was to host not all the raw
data, but for someone to pick out the "interesting" stuff and post
that.  That makes sense to me.

I have a bunch of raw data, if anyone is interested in sorting through
it.  I've been collecting Twitter "tweets" that mention 'openoffice'
since the start of June.  I believe what I have is comprehensive,
several thousand posts.  There is a bit of profanity there, with some
frustrated users, so posting it raw format might be too raw.   But if
anyone wants to volunteer to go through the posts and pick out the
"interesting" ones, I can send them the complete list via email.

If anyone is interested, let me know.

-Rob

> Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products
> moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles,
> validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product
> recommendations. Tracing our design and development work products to real
> data ensures that we will make informed decisions driven by end user
> insight.
>
> Do not hesitate to contact me for more information on this ongoing research
> activity.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin

Support of system libraries for apr,apr-util,serf,coinmp

[Andre Fischer]

Hi all,

I just checked in my changes for issue 118906 [1] that adds support for 
system libraries for apr, apr-util, serf, and coinmp.  These modules can 
be found in ext_libraries/.


By default we still build our own versions of these libraries, so unless 
you pass any of the switches

--with-system-apr
--with-system-apr-util
--with-system-serf
--with-system-coinmp
to configure, you should not be able to spot any differences.

I have been able to verify the use of the system libraries only on 
Linux, because on the other platforms I could not successfully install 
the libraries.


There may be minor problems with the OS/2 port.  I don't have that 
platform available for testing but am, of course, willing to help fix 
any regression.


Best regards,
Andre



[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118906

Re: [UX][Volunteers Needed] - Harvesting Social Data

[Kevin Grignon]

KG01 - See comments inline.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM, RGB ES  wrote:

> 2012/6/26 Kevin Grignon :
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As mentioned in an earlier post, collectively, our social assets present
> a
> > huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight,
> > feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our
> future
> > product direction.
> >
> > Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is
> > an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate
> > sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives.
> > However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered
> relevant
> > and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost.
> >
> > Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites.
> > Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and
> > actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
> >
> > To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture
> > everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture
> > any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development
> > decisions in the future. Some data is better than none.
> >
> > Also, some international AOO contributors cannot access some social media
> > sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant
> > and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
> >
> > I have created a number of pages within the AOO UX wiki [1] for
> harvesting
> > and capturing social data.
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data
> >
> > I invite everyone to harvest insight from our social media and post to
> the
> > wiki. If you see something relevant, that could be actionable, please
> > harvest this information and post to the wiki. Feel free to tweak the
> > document table format to suite the content.
> >
> > Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products
> > moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles,
> > validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product
> > recommendations. Tracing our design and development work products to real
> > data ensures that we will make informed decisions driven by end user
> > insight.
> >
> > Do not hesitate to contact me for more information on this ongoing
> research
> > activity.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
>
> Added one example (and fixed a typo on the table headings) to see how it
> works.
>
> KG01 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.


> I think "description" column should be left aligned, not centred, but
> other than aligning paragraph one by one I cannot find a way to do so
> on the column. Also the bold is not needed there, but I did not find
> how to change that.
>

KG01 - Man alive, the mediawiki is really hard to work in. I'm aware of the
formatting issues. Let's focus on content for now. I created a better table
today in another page, and can copy the wiki code over. It's easier to read
than the social data table.

>
> I'm really a newbie on wikis, as you can see :)
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>

Re: [UX][Volunteers Needed] - Harvesting Social Data

[Kevin Grignon]

KG01 - See comments inline.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Kevin Grignon
>  wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As mentioned in an earlier post, collectively, our social assets present
> a
> > huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight,
> > feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our
> future
> > product direction.
> >
> > Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is
> > an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate
> > sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives.
> > However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered
> relevant
> > and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost.
> >
> > Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites.
> > Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and
> > actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
> >
> > To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture
> > everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture
> > any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development
> > decisions in the future. Some data is better than none.
> >
> > Also, some international AOO contributors cannot access some social media
> > sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant
> > and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
> >
> > I have created a number of pages within the AOO UX wiki [1] for
> harvesting
> > and capturing social data.
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data
> >
> > I invite everyone to harvest insight from our social media and post to
> the
> > wiki. If you see something relevant, that could be actionable, please
> > harvest this information and post to the wiki. Feel free to tweak the
> > document table format to suite the content.
> >
>
> So it looks like your idea for the wiki was to host not all the raw
> data, but for someone to pick out the "interesting" stuff and post
> that.  That makes sense to me.
>

KG01 - Hope so. Even anecdotal data can help drive better user roles,
personas and usage scenarios.

>
> I have a bunch of raw data, if anyone is interested in sorting through
> it.  I've been collecting Twitter "tweets" that mention 'openoffice'
> since the start of June.  I believe what I have is comprehensive,
> several thousand posts.  There is a bit of profanity there, with some
> frustrated users, so posting it raw format might be too raw.   But if
> anyone wants to volunteer to go through the posts and pick out the
> "interesting" ones, I can send them the complete list via email.
>

KG01 - Thanks for the offer. That would be great. Perhaps you could create
a zip file of the content for the month of June (almost there), and we can
try to find some tooling to parse the data. I am aware of some enterprise
social sentiment analytic tools, however these are unavailable to this
project. In the interim, I'd be open to reviewing the data.

>
> If anyone is interested, let me know.
>
> -Rob
>
> > Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products
> > moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles,
> > validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product
> > recommendations. Tracing our design and development work products to real
> > data ensures that we will make informed decisions driven by end user
> > insight.
> >
> > Do not hesitate to contact me for more information on this ongoing
> research
> > activity.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
>

Re: Support of system libraries for apr,apr-util,serf,coinmp

[Pedro Giffuni]

Thank you Andre!

This is a huge help for packagers.

cheers,

Pedro.

ps. It almost makes me feel bad about Italy beating
Germany yet again next Thursday (just kidding ...
we'll see ;) )

--- Mar 26/6/12, Andre Fischer  ha scritto:

> Hi all,
> 
> I just checked in my changes for issue 118906 [1] that adds
> support for system libraries for apr, apr-util, serf, and
> coinmp.  These modules can be found in ext_libraries/.
> 
> By default we still build our own versions of these
> libraries, so unless you pass any of the switches
>     --with-system-apr
>     --with-system-apr-util
>     --with-system-serf
>     --with-system-coinmp
> to configure, you should not be able to spot any
> differences.
> 
> I have been able to verify the use of the system libraries
> only on Linux, because on the other platforms I could not
> successfully install the libraries.
> 
> There may be minor problems with the OS/2 port.  I
> don't have that platform available for testing but am, of
> course, willing to help fix any regression.
> 
> Best regards,
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118906
>

Re: AOO testing status update as of 2012/06/26

[Herbert Duerr]

On 26.06.2012 16:49, Ji Yan wrote:

After AOO 3.4 release, we, QE, volunteer didn't send out weekly report
to brief our activity, to make sure we are on the same page, I'll update
you with our main activity and achievement:
1. Built up VCLAuto framework which has been deliver to trunk stream,
anyone with Java experience is able to write test script under this
framework.
2. 252 defect opened by people from IBM Symphony team which the defect
doesn't exist in Symphony.
3. Confirmed 174 UNCONFIRMED issues in bugzilla.
4. Verified  184 RESOLVED issues in bugzilla
5. Work out AOO 3.4.1 test plan and put it on wiki page
6. Start AOO 3.4.1 fixed defect verification
7. AOO 3.4.1 general usage testing is ongoing.


That's an impressive list of accomplishments! The great influx of new 
developers and test experts was quite visible to everyone following our 
mailing lists and that new momentum already resulted in an eminent boost 
of quality. Thank you!


Herbert

Re: [Call for review]Bug 119557: Column header can not be displayed correclty in AOO3.4 after open the xls file.

[Andre Fischer]

Done.  Sorry for the delay.

-Andre

On 13.06.2012 13:25, Jianyuan Li wrote:

Hi, all

I had a fix for bug 119557(
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119557 )

Can anyone help me to review the fix?


Thanks,
Jianyuan

Re: Propose AOO 3.4.1 Testing Plan

[Shenfeng Liu]

Yan Ji,
  Sorry for the late response. While I saw some people are working on the
Windows 8 support. If we want to include it in the scope of 3.4.1, I hope
the test plan can cover this platform. I think a test suite of
Install/SmokeTest/Uninstall might be enough.
  Thanks!

- Simon


2012/6/25 Zhe Liu 

> It's OK for me.
>
> 2012/6/25 Yan Ji :
> > Thanks for Juergen posting first AOO 3.4.1 dev snapshot build[1], so we
> should start testing against this build.  I draft the testing plan for AOO
> 3.4.1[2]. Any comments are welcome.
> >
> > QA wiki page[3] is also updated, if anyone is willing to help doing QA
> work for this release, please update your test case and result in relative
> page. Thanks.
> >
> > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1
> > [2]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Testing+Plan
> > [3] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Quality_Assurance
> >
> > Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
> From aliu...@gmail.com
>

Re: Support of system libraries for apr,apr-util,serf,coinmp

[Yuri Dario]

Hi Andre,


> There may be minor problems with the OS/2 port.  I don't have that 
> platform available for testing but am, of course, willing to help fix 
> any regression.

updating my tree, I will let you know.

thanks

-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

/*
 * OS/2 open source software
 * http://web.os2power.com/yuri
 * http://www.netlabs.org
*/

Re: AOO testing status update as of 2012/06/26

[Reizinger Zoltán]

2012.06.26. 16:49 keltezéssel, Ji Yan írta:

HI all,

After AOO 3.4 release, we, QE, volunteer didn't send out weekly report
to brief our activity, to make sure we are on the same page, I'll update
you with our main activity and achievement:
1. Built up VCLAuto framework which has been deliver to trunk stream,
anyone with Java experience is able to write test script under this
framework.
2. 252 defect opened by people from IBM Symphony team which the defect
doesn't exist in Symphony.
3. Confirmed 174 UNCONFIRMED issues in bugzilla.
4. Verified  184 RESOLVED issues in bugzilla
5. Work out AOO 3.4.1 test plan and put it on wiki page
6. Start AOO 3.4.1 fixed defect verification
7. AOO 3.4.1 general usage testing is ongoing.
One question, how do you test AOO modules which is not in Symphony e.g 
the Draw and Base?

Zoltan


I'll keep you post with AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 3.5 testing status in next week.

OS/2 missing strings id 3005 and 17500

[Yuri Dario]

Hi,

at first startup of AOO, in the splash screen I see a message about a 
'missing resource id 3005'.
String resource 17500 is missing in the OO file dialog.

Where are these strings built?

thanks!

-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

/*
 * OS/2 open source software
 * http://web.os2power.com/yuri
 * http://www.netlabs.org
*/

Re: [Call for UX review] [Windows 8 certification]Test for "Section 11 Apps must support multi-user sessions" is not tested by Windows App Certification Kit

[Joost Andrae]

Hi Rob,



but in a Windows Terminal Server session you have user profiles for each
user.



This patch is for if you connect with Terminal Services twice using
the same user account.



I just wanted to make sure that there is no real problem to get 
OpenOffice configured so it can be used within a multi user environment 
(MS TS, Citrix, Sun SGD, or UNIX profiles). If the same user connects a 
second time then there might be a locking problem with his profile data. 
If you want to fix this then it's OK but in my opinion it's not really 
needed because usually it should be prevented that one user accesses the 
same user profile from another terminal (RDP, X11) session.


Just my two € Cents, Joost

Re: AOO testing status update as of 2012/06/26

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Ji Yan  wrote:
> HI all,
>
>   After AOO 3.4 release, we, QE, volunteer didn't send out weekly report
> to brief our activity, to make sure we are on the same page, I'll update
> you with our main activity and achievement:
> 1. Built up VCLAuto framework which has been deliver to trunk stream,
> anyone with Java experience is able to write test script under this
> framework.
> 2. 252 defect opened by people from IBM Symphony team which the defect
> doesn't exist in Symphony.
> 3. Confirmed 174 UNCONFIRMED issues in bugzilla.
> 4. Verified  184 RESOLVED issues in bugzilla
> 5. Work out AOO 3.4.1 test plan and put it on wiki page
> 6. Start AOO 3.4.1 fixed defect verification
> 7. AOO 3.4.1 general usage testing is ongoing.
>
> I'll keep you post with AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 3.5 testing status in next week.
> --

Good report.  Thanks!

Something to consider for next report.  When we give our quarterly
Board Report for the entire project,  two of the questions are:

-- How has the community developed since the last report

-- How has the project developed since the last report.

The work done by the Symphony QA team is excellent progress to report
for "how has the project developed?".

But is there anything the Symphony QA team can do to help develop the
community as well?

I think it would be great if we could brainstorm on ideas for
encouraging and enabling other volunteers to help with the QA work.
Not just existing project members, but also new volunteers we might
recruit.

-Rob

>
>
> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji

Re: [DISCUSS][Calc] How to save locale code in number format importing form MS Excel.

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Zhang Lu  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>   My name is Zhang Lu. I am a developer working in Symphony team. My
> special areas are number format, formula, and sc.
>    I found a issue in number format of sc, call for your help.
>    Step:
>    1. Create a MS Excel in English locale, set one cell's number
> format as "[$-407]d. mmm. yy;@" , which is a Germany date format.
> Saved as test.xls.(In attachment)
>    2. Open test.xls via AOO, the cell's format code is still
> "[$-407]d. mmm. yy;@"
>    3. Saved it as test.ods, and reopen it via AOO, you can find the
> format code change to "d. mmm. yy;@", the locale info([$-407]) lost.
>    4. Export to Excel, format code change to "d". "mmm". "yy;@"
>
> MS Excel support locale code in date and time format code, but AOO
> don't suport, and this info will be lost after saving to ods. In ods
> spec, there is no space to save this info(e.g. [$-407]).

I'm not very familiar with how Excel does it, but with ODF there is
stricter content/style separation.  So the cell styles, including date
format, are stored in style definitions.   It is possible to associate
a cell style with a specific locale.  Look here for an example:
http://books.evc-cit.info/odbook/ch05.html#num-intl-section

But your example sounds simpler.  It is odd that it does not work.
Did you try the same scenario in OOo 3.3?  Maybe it is a regression?

-Rob

Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Rob Weir]

I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
http://www.wordle.net/

Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png

This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.

What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.

-Rob

Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
wrote:

> On 6/26/12 4:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> >> Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry
> >>> for our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.
> >>
> >>
> >> Was it really necessary? In the meantime, Rob had edited the blog
> entries to
> >> insert:
> >>
> >> (Apache OpenOffice is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache
> Software
> >> Foundation.)
> >>
> >> and this seems a good trade-off to me, much more than adding
> "(incubating)"
> >> to the title, which will confuse users, especially non-native speakers
> (but
> >> also native speakers won't always be able to guess what "incubating"
> means
> >> in this context).
> >>
> >
> > +1.
> >
> > In fact, if you look at the IPMC's requirements for this, they are
> > here:   http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> >
> > "Naming
> >
> > After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
> > initial code drop has commenced, the podling MUST be referred to as
> > Apache "Podling-Name" AND mention that the project is under
> > Incubation. Suitable mentions include:
> >
> > -- Inclusion of the http://incubator.apache.org/"podling-name"; URL
> > ---Apache "Podling-Name" is currently undergoing Incubation at the
> > Apache Software Foundation.
> >
> > Other references may only be used upon prior approval by the Incubator
> > PMC. These statements only need to be disclosed upon the first
> > reference in a document."
> >
> > Note that two incubation-disclaimers are given, and that neither one
> > of them are what Dave did.
>
> I am wondering as well and I agree that it was somewhat superfluous. But
> we shouldn't stress it any longer and should focus on the right actions
> forward to graduate.
>
> I think that is the best thing we can do... I personally don't have
> interest in any further teaching lesson.
>
> Juergen
>

OK, I think some of the confusion comes from a previous OK of referring to
the product as "Apache OpenOffice (TM)" vs the project -- Apache OpenOffice
(incubating).

see ref on the former at:

http://markmail.org/message/tnufz5cnoueh57ci

with a later follow-up that this "internal" TM would at some point become
"registered" when Apache OpenOffice (incubating) graduated -- normally  TM
registrations only occur on top level projects.

Oddly, despite the fact that we refer to the "product" as just Apache
OpenOffice, I remember some discussion and the final outcome that the
packages are named with "incubating" as part of the name.

Yeah, very confusing to say the least...


>
> >
> >> Honestly, I'd be for linking "undergoing Incubation" (in the clauses Rob
> >> added) to Don's post
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/what_is_a_podling or
> >> some more official explanation, and removing "(incubating)" from the
> titles.
> >>
> >> This would give all interested parties the opportunity to discover what
> >> "incubating" means, which is probably the rationale behind the rule to
> use
> >> "(incubating)" everywhere, and at the same time would keep titles easily
> >> readable.
> >>
> >
> > +1
> >
> > One issue, I think, is that users have no idea what "(incubating)"
> > means.  I had one user write me and joke about aliens in pods.   We
> > shouldn't be leading with out-of-context internal Apache process
> > jargon.  Perhaps that is why the Podling Branding Guide makes the
> > suggestions it does, and which I had already made to the post.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>  Andrea.
>
>
>


-- 

MzK

"I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
 than a horse that will not fare."
  -- Portuguese proverb

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Donald Whytock]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
> removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
> were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
> created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
> http://www.wordle.net/
>
> Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png
>
> This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
> OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.
>
> What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.
>
> -Rob

Might make an interesting desktop background...

Don

Re: [DISCUSSION] (Re)use of Website Content

[Kay Schenk]

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for this. This is a good framework of principles for actions to
> address the lack of clarity.
>
> Having done with Kay and others the heavy forklift of moving the website
> files I do have the inside knowledge of what can be done here using
> existing information and tools.
>
> On Jun 23, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> > We've received a few requests from corporations and individuals
> > seeking to reuse portions of the www.openoffice.org website.  These
> > have ranged from inclusion of images into textbooks, to creating
> > translations of pages for a 3rd party website.  In some cases it boils
> > down to a trademark use question.  But in some cases it is purely a
> > content reuse question.
> >
> > In these cases my personal stance has been to point to the appropriate
> > license for the content.  IMHO we (as a project) should not be giving
> > permission.  That is what the license is for, and we cannot/should not
> > add or subtract to what the license says.  Only the content owner
> > (copyright holder) can do that.
> >
> > However, in the case of the www.openoffice.org website, the license
> > which pertains to individual pages is not always very clear.  The
> > website (and the project) has a long and complicated history, with
> > various contributor agreements and terms of service over time.
>
> The current TOU states the right to change the TOU at any time. INAL, but
> I believe this means that unless another license can be found this license
> *IS* the license.
>
> >  It is
> > clear that at all times (that I know of at least) content was made
> > available under some form of open source license or analogous
> > documentation license (CC or PDL).   But on a page-by-page basis this
> > is not always clear.
>
> We can only know when individual files are so noted. or projects are so
> noted. AFAIK these are, but I agree a careful inspection along your
> principles is important.
>
> >
> > So (again, IMHO), as a project, we can best maintain the website
> > content, with practices like:
> >
> > 1) Don't remove any copyright statements
>
> This is certainly a given. In the old structure there was a page that
> aggregated all the copyright holders who might have a claim on a part of
> the site whether or not it is still active. We'll need to find and preserve
> this page as part of a website license page.
>
> >
> > 2) Preserve any license statements that are there
>
> These are often within comments and hidden from public presentation. We
> should indicate that these may be found by inspection of the source.
>
> >
> > 3) Make explicit any implicit license statements or copyrights.  For
> > example, if a license is indicated for
> > www.openoffice.org/foo/index.html, then maybe we explicitly put that
> > license statement on all content in /foo, if it is clear it was a
> > single work.
>
> For the license, we can consider whether we want to add explicit footers
> or take some additional action during the CMS conversion from source html
> to website html. This would occur within ooo-site/lib/view.pm,
> templates/footer.html, and content/footer.mdtext. This can be on a folder
> by folder basis just like we do for brand.mdtext for NL sites.
>
> Copyrights are more difficult as they may not be as clearly applied. We
> are going to need for copyright holders to positively assert their rights.
>
> > 4) Be crystal clear what the license is for new incoming contributions
>
> New files and content should be clearly AL 2.0. We can assume that all
> mdtext content is such and treat it that way in the view.pm work above.
>
>
> >
> > 5) Craft license statement that is as complete and accurate as we can,
> > for the website.  It might have a predominant license as well as a
> > long list of exceptions.  Think of what we did for the AOO LICENSE and
> > NOTICE files.
>
> We can use the old Oracle TOU hidden at
> http://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use.html as a starting point. (The
> only difference here from the original is a change of the source code
> license to AL2.
>
> >
> > Now, we can do all of the above and still not have absolute clarity on
> > all pages.  This will impact some edge cases involving re-use of
> > content.  For example, if someone wants to take content, modify it and
> > turn it into a DRM'ed E-Book, without making the source files
> > available, them this would be permitted by some licenses but not
> > permitted by others.
>
> If someone will make it clear what the constraints are according to the
> various license terms then we can link to ids on the new terms page from
> the footer according to which license is detected.
>
> I see these four action tracks.
>
> (A) Determine which licenses to enumerate and make a table of permissible
> re-use for each. Principles 4 and 5.
>
> (B) Rewrite content/terms_of_use.html as website_terms.mdtext. Principles
> 4 and 5.
>
> (C) Write the appropriate license identification an

Re: Support of system libraries for apr,apr-util,serf,coinmp

[Yuri Dario]

Hi Andre,

> There may be minor problems with the OS/2 port.  I don't have that 

I did a preliminary test on my existing tree. I regenerated configure 
script and I ran it again adding the new switches.

But I don't get the build system to enter apr/aprutil/serf 
directories, so aprutil_version.mk is not copied to solver tree.

>From instsetoo_native directory, 

build --all --show 

does not list apr/aprutil/serf builds.
Manually running build&deliver inside apr_util directory correctly 
delivers the .mk file.


-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

/*
 * OS/2 open source software
 * http://web.os2power.com/yuri
 * http://www.netlabs.org
*/

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:47:00 -0400
Rob Weir  wrote:

> I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
> removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
> were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
> created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
> http://www.wordle.net/
> 
> Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png
> 
> This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
> OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.
> 
> What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.
> 
> -Rob
> 

The prominence of Paperback might suggest that it is being used for book 
layout, which it does very well, within the limits that it is not a specialised 
DTP program.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

On 2012-06-26, at 17:01 , Rory O'Farrell wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:47:00 -0400
> Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
>> I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
>> removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
>> were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
>> created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
>> http://www.wordle.net/
>> 
>> Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png
>> 
>> This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
>> OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.
>> 
>> What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
> 
> The prominence of Paperback might suggest that it is being used for book 
> layout, which it does very well, within the limits that it is not a 
> specialised DTP program.

actually, I was thinking that the Twitter Word Cloud could make a nifty 
presentation background, too.

Louis


> 
> -- 
> Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-06-26, at 15:47 , Rob Weir wrote:

> I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
> removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
> were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
> created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
> http://www.wordle.net/
> 
> Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png
> 
> This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
> OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.
> 
> What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.
> 
> -Rob


Looking further into this and seeing how the cloud is generated, I would be 
interested in seeing how it looks in, say, Chinese, or other 
non-US/Roman-script languages.

Louis

Re: OS/2 missing strings id 3005 and 17500

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Yuri,

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 03:43:38PM +, Yuri Dario wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> at first startup of AOO, in the splash screen I see a message about a 
> 'missing resource id 3005'.
> String resource 17500 is missing in the OO file dialog.
> 
> Where are these strings built?

Res. id. 17500 is STR_SVT_MIMETYPE_CNT_FSYSBOX  in svl

main/svl/inc/svl/svl.hrc
main/svl/source/misc/mediatyp.src

and the bug should be fixed with revision 1354260. Verify by opening the
office filepicker, press the "Up One Level" menu button to display the
PopupMenu, without the patch the root file system has no label or, in
a non product build, a label indicating a missing resource; with the
patch you should see "Workplace" as label.


Res. id. 3005, in the context you mentioned, is
RID_STR_SYNCHRONIZING_REPOSITORY in
main/desktop/source/deployment/manager/dp_manager.src

I cannot reproduce the missing resource here, nor can find something
wrong in the source code. Try setting a conditional break point in 
dp_misc::getResourceString for id==3005, here I get the string as
expected: "Synchronizing repository for %NAME extensions"


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [Call for UX review] [Windows 8 certification]Test for "Section 11 Apps must support multi-user sessions" is not tested by Windows App Certification Kit

[Lin Yuan]

Currently in AOO, only part of the data in user profile is locked and can
not access by mutiple instances. So as tested on Windows Server 2008, AOO
will crash in such situation. The patch is not to really support one user
to launch multiple instances on mutiple sessions case. According to the
suggestion in Windows 8 Certification below:
*Note*: If an app does not support multiple user sessions or remote access,
it must clearly state this when launched from this kind of session.
With the patch, AOO will popup a warning dialog and exit in this case. So
it will still not support mutiple user sessions for one user but the UX is
more frendly than the current crash issue.

Thanks,
Lin Yuan

2012/6/27 Joost Andrae 

> Hi Rob,
>
>
>
>>> but in a Windows Terminal Server session you have user profiles for each
>>> user.
>>>
>>>
>> This patch is for if you connect with Terminal Services twice using
>> the same user account.
>>
>>
> I just wanted to make sure that there is no real problem to get OpenOffice
> configured so it can be used within a multi user environment (MS TS,
> Citrix, Sun SGD, or UNIX profiles). If the same user connects a second time
> then there might be a locking problem with his profile data. If you want to
> fix this then it's OK but in my opinion it's not really needed because
> usually it should be prevented that one user accesses the same user profile
> from another terminal (RDP, X11) session.
>
> Just my two € Cents, Joost
>
>

Re: Propose Khmer language in download page

[Khoem Sokhem]

Hello Juergen,

Thank you very much for your effort for Khmer, I like to work on Pootle 
server but I cannot find the Register page in 
https://translate.apache.org/ I just see the Home page, Help and Log in 
at the right top of  the page. I also read the documentation at: 
https://translate.apache.org/docs/howto.html#registration


How can I register in order to update Khmer translations?


Regards,
Sokhem










On 26-Jun-12 7:50 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 6/26/12 2:34 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 6/26/12 2:32 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 6/26/12 4:24 AM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:

On 25-Jun-12 7:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Rob Weir wrote:

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Khoem Sokhem wrote:

Could you please provide Khmer language pack in the official
download page
of Open Office?

You mentioned on the ooo-users list that you had sent a Khmer
translation in April.  Where did you send that?  To this list? As a
Bugzilla attachment?

Khoem was speaking about April 2011 (OpenOffice.org 3.4-beta); so it's
this issue, from the pre-Apache era:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=117933
But some strings will have to be updated for OpenOffice 3.4.


That's correct for Khmer translations.

And Could you please add Khmer in
https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/? If Khmer language
available in Pootle, If it is available soon in Pootle my team can start
updating for the release of 3.4.1.

Khmer is now available on the Pootle server with the content that I have
found. Please check it. Easier for now would be if you could work
offline. You can find the AOO 3.4 related po files (same as on the
Pootle server) under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/sdf/aoo34_km_po.tar.gz

When you have an update create an issue and attach the updated po files.

If offline doesn't work for you, use the Pootle server and let me know.

too fast, the store update for Khmer help on the Pootle server is still
ongoing, please be patient...

ok now it is available, looks not bad

UI 97 - 2335 words need translation
Help 99% - 4252 words need translation

Juergen


Juergen

Re: [DISCUSS][Calc] How to save locale code in number format importing form MS Excel.

[Zhang Lu]

Thanks Rob,
 OOo 3.3 also can't restore locale code, it's not a regression.
I think the root cause is there is no place to store locale code in
style.xml and content.xml, so if wonder if we should add an attribute
or element in ods to save this info?

On 6/27/12, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Zhang Lu  wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>   My name is Zhang Lu. I am a developer working in Symphony team. My
>> special areas are number format, formula, and sc.
>>    I found a issue in number format of sc, call for your help.
>>    Step:
>>    1. Create a MS Excel in English locale, set one cell's number
>> format as "[$-407]d. mmm. yy;@" , which is a Germany date format.
>> Saved as test.xls.(In attachment)
>>    2. Open test.xls via AOO, the cell's format code is still
>> "[$-407]d. mmm. yy;@"
>>    3. Saved it as test.ods, and reopen it via AOO, you can find the
>> format code change to "d. mmm. yy;@", the locale info([$-407]) lost.
>>    4. Export to Excel, format code change to "d". "mmm". "yy;@"
>>
>> MS Excel support locale code in date and time format code, but AOO
>> don't suport, and this info will be lost after saving to ods. In ods
>> spec, there is no space to save this info(e.g. [$-407]).
>
> I'm not very familiar with how Excel does it, but with ODF there is
> stricter content/style separation.  So the cell styles, including date
> format, are stored in style definitions.   It is possible to associate
> a cell style with a specific locale.  Look here for an example:
> http://books.evc-cit.info/odbook/ch05.html#num-intl-section
>
> But your example sounds simpler.  It is odd that it does not work.
> Did you try the same scenario in OOo 3.3?  Maybe it is a regression?
>
> -Rob
>

I may don't have much time spend on AOO

[Xia Zhao]

Dear all,

Due to my job role change, I have to spend much time on new position to
face many challenges, so I may haven't much time on AOO. But I will surely
keep one eye on this project and continuous contribute my effort on it.

For weekly QA report, I propose Yan Ji take this work if he like. As I
know, Ji has done many work on BugZilla issues reporting and actively to
push test case management tool, 3.4.1 test plan etc. Also he did much work
on testing build building.

Ji, thanks a lot!

-- 
Best Regards,

Lily

"If you are not part of solution,you are part of problem"

Re: I may don't have much time spend on AOO

[Chao Huang]

hi, Xia

Thanks for your great work on QE area for AOO. Bless you a successful
career on the new role.

2012/6/27 Xia Zhao 

> Dear all,
>
> Due to my job role change, I have to spend much time on new position to
> face many challenges, so I may haven't much time on AOO. But I will surely
> keep one eye on this project and continuous contribute my effort on it.
>
> For weekly QA report, I propose Yan Ji take this work if he like. As I
> know, Ji has done many work on BugZilla issues reporting and actively to
> push test case management tool, 3.4.1 test plan etc. Also he did much work
> on testing build building.
>
> Ji, thanks a lot!
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Lily
>
> "If you are not part of solution,you are part of problem"
>



-- 
Best regards,
Chao Huang

Re: I may don't have much time spend on AOO

[Pedro Giffuni]

Will surely miss you Lily!!

Best of lucks in your new role, I am sure you will do fine!

Pedro.

--- Mar 26/6/12, Xia Zhao  ha scritto:

> Dear all,
> 
> Due to my job role change, I have to spend much time on new
> position to
> face many challenges, so I may haven't much time on AOO. But
> I will surely
> keep one eye on this project and continuous contribute my
> effort on it.
> 
> For weekly QA report, I propose Yan Ji take this work if he
> like. As I
> know, Ji has done many work on BugZilla issues reporting and
> actively to
> push test case management tool, 3.4.1 test plan etc. Also he
> did much work
> on testing build building.
> 
> Ji, thanks a lot!
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Lily
> 
> "If you are not part of solution,you are part of problem"
>

Re: I may don't have much time spend on AOO

[Ji Yan]

Thanks for Lily's nomination. I'd like to take over the responsibility to
help improve product quality as well as QA activity.  In the mean while we
will miss your expertise in QA role.

2012/6/27 Chao Huang 

> hi, Xia
>
> Thanks for your great work on QE area for AOO. Bless you a successful
> career on the new role.
>
> 2012/6/27 Xia Zhao 
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Due to my job role change, I have to spend much time on new position to
> > face many challenges, so I may haven't much time on AOO. But I will
> surely
> > keep one eye on this project and continuous contribute my effort on it.
> >
> > For weekly QA report, I propose Yan Ji take this work if he like. As I
> > know, Ji has done many work on BugZilla issues reporting and actively to
> > push test case management tool, 3.4.1 test plan etc. Also he did much
> work
> > on testing build building.
> >
> > Ji, thanks a lot!
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Lily
> >
> > "If you are not part of solution,you are part of problem"
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Chao Huang
>



-- 


Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji

Re: I may don't have much time spend on AOO

[Zhe Liu]

Bless! Will miss you!

2012/6/27 Xia Zhao :
> Dear all,
>
> Due to my job role change, I have to spend much time on new position to
> face many challenges, so I may haven't much time on AOO. But I will surely
> keep one eye on this project and continuous contribute my effort on it.
>
> For weekly QA report, I propose Yan Ji take this work if he like. As I
> know, Ji has done many work on BugZilla issues reporting and actively to
> push test case management tool, 3.4.1 test plan etc. Also he did much work
> on testing build building.
>
> Ji, thanks a lot!
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Lily
>
> "If you are not part of solution,you are part of problem"



-- 
Best Regards
>From aliu...@gmail.com

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Kevin Grignon]

KG01 - see comments inline. 

On Jun 27, 2012, at 5:51 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

> 
> On 2012-06-26, at 15:47 , Rob Weir wrote:
> 
>> I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
>> removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
>> were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
>> created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
>> http://www.wordle.net/
>> 
>> Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png

KG01 - Very nice. I'll include in our Twitter social data harvest. 

As for analysis. It's hard to extract a complete picture of sentiment without 
correlating the various words in some context. 

I viewed the word cloud in my iPhone, so I could only read some terms - good 
filter.  

Observation: there is much chatter about alternatives and the incumbents. 
Insight: this presents a paradox, as some feel AOO should establish it's own 
identity, while others are focused on relativism - our ability to support users 
migrating from other tools, provide feature parity and support the  ability for 
users to leverage their existing knowledge. Moving forward our design direction 
will to continue to be mindful of both paths. 

Observation: the predominance of brand over feature/fuction chatter 
Insight: Brand matters. People are emotionally attached to their office suite. 

Observation: Writer and paperback are prediminat tool-oriented references. 
Insight: Document editor is most important to people in the twitter sphere. 

Not overly deep, just some impressions. 

What do others see?

Thanks for sharing. 

>> 
>> This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
>> OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.
>> 
>> What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.
>> 
>> -Rob
> 
> 
> Looking further into this and seeing how the cloud is generated, I would be 
> interested in seeing how it looks in, say, Chinese, or other 
> non-US/Roman-script languages.
> 
> Louis

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012

[Kevin Grignon]

Don,

I've added some content to the planning doc on the cwiki. 

Question: is the conference focused on opensource methods and process, or on 
the actual products, or both?

Regards,
Kevin



On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:11 AM, Donald Harbison  wrote:

> We have the opportunity to frame up and build a 'conference within a
> conference' within the ApacheCON EU 2012 venue, November 5 - 9th in
> Sinsheim, Germany. I've pulled  an outline together on the wiki [1].
> 
> This is a 'call-to-action'. If you want to see this idea become a reality,
> now is the time to volunteer.
> 
> Timing is urgent here. In the northern hemisphere, many of us will go off
> on vacations in July and August. We need to earn our space from ConComm and
> the other ApacheCon volunteers if this idea has any hope of success. Note
> that if you volunteer for this effort, you will also need to help out with
> the broader conference as well. Share and share alike!
> 
> I have asked that we sharpen our proposal and submit it to ConComm by
> Friday, June 22nd... in two weeks time. Yes, that's compressed, but I
> believe we have sufficiently experienced PPMC members who know what it
> takes to make something like this happen. I've started a proposed committee
> list on the wiki, but that's all it is a 'start'.
> 
> This is a great opportunity to re-boot our OpenOffice community in its
> country of origin. I'm personally very excited about this, and hope you are
> too. Please engage and make this happen.
> 
> [1] *http://s.apache.org/4cp*

Re: Propose Khmer language in download page

[Javier Sola]

On 6/25/12 6:47 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

we currently provide only full install set for the languages that we
releases or plan to release for 3.4.1. But we are open to support more
languages when we notice and see a working translation community for a
language. That means ideally not only 1 person but a group of people who
can actually review the translation ...

Hi Juergen,

The translation of OpenOffice to Khmer is done since 2004 by a group of 
professional localizers hired by the Open Institute (a local Cambodian 
NGO). Sokhem has been managing this group since 2005.


The NGO works with the Cambodian government on the migration of 
OpenOffice, and mostly with the Ministry of Education, which has made 
OpenOffice in Khmer compulsory in Education (MS is not allowed in schools).


We have always worked directly using .SDF files, not using Pootle, 
mostly because we were using XLIFF files instead of PO to localize, as 
it is much more efficient. We developed our own XLIFF editor (WordForge).


Having Khmer included in the list and having a 3.4.1 installer would be 
great for us, as the gap since 3.3 has already been to long. The 
translation in Pootle will be completed within this week.


Cheers,

Javier


We can include a Khmer language pack for the upcoming dev snapshots for
3.5 to help you verifying the current state of the translation.

Juergen

Re: [UX][Volunteers Needed] - Harvesting Social Data

[Graham Lauder]

> KG01 - See comments inline.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM, RGB ES  wrote:
> > 2012/6/26 Kevin Grignon :
> > > Hello All,
> > > 
> > > As mentioned in an earlier post, collectively, our social assets
> > > present
> > 
> > a
> > 
> > > huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight,
> > > feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our
> > 
> > future
> > 
> > > product direction.
> > > 
> > > Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists
> > > is an extremely challenging task. With s much content in
> > > disparate sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the
> > > archives. However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is
> > > considered
> > 
> > relevant
> > 
> > > and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost.
> > > 
> > > Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites.
> > > Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and
> > > actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all.
> > > 
> > > To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture
> > > everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to
> > > capture any notable insight that could help drive informed design and
> > > development decisions in the future. Some data is better than none.
> > > 
> > > Also, some international AOO contributors cannot access some social
> > > media sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the
> > > relevant and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to
> > > all.
> > > 
> > > I have created a number of pages within the AOO UX wiki [1] for
> > 
> > harvesting
> > 
> > > and capturing social data.
> > > 
> > > [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data
> > > 
> > > I invite everyone to harvest insight from our social media and post to
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > wiki. If you see something relevant, that could be actionable, please
> > > harvest this information and post to the wiki. Feel free to tweak the
> > > document table format to suite the content.
> > > 
> > > Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work
> > > products moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our
> > > user roles, validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable
> > > product
> > > recommendations. Tracing our design and development work products to
> > > real data ensures that we will make informed decisions driven by end
> > > user insight.
> > > 
> > > Do not hesitate to contact me for more information on this ongoing
> > 
> > research
> > 
> > > activity.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> > 
> > Added one example (and fixed a typo on the table headings) to see how it
> > works.
> > 
> > KG01 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.
> > 
> > 
> > I think "description" column should be left aligned, not centred, but
> > other than aligning paragraph one by one I cannot find a way to do so
> > on the column. Also the bold is not needed there, but I did not find
> > how to change that.
> 
> KG01 - Man alive, the mediawiki is really hard to work in. I'm aware of the
> formatting issues. Let's focus on content for now. I created a better table
> today in another page, and can copy the wiki code over. It's easier to read
> than the social data table.

It's OK you've just formatted every row as a header.

I'll sort it.

Cheers
GL



> 
> > I'm really a newbie on wikis, as you can see :)
> > 
> > Regards
> > Ricardo

Re: Propose Khmer language in download page

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Am Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2012 um 05:17 schrieb Javier Sola:
> On 6/25/12 6:47 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> > we currently provide only full install set for the languages that we
> > releases or plan to release for 3.4.1. But we are open to support more
> > languages when we notice and see a working translation community for a
> > language. That means ideally not only 1 person but a group of people who
> > can actually review the translation ...
> >  
>  
> Hi Juergen,
>  
> The translation of OpenOffice to Khmer is done since 2004 by a group of  
> professional localizers hired by the Open Institute (a local Cambodian  
> NGO). Sokhem has been managing this group since 2005.
>  
>  

great, thanks for this background information. I was not involved in 
translation before, means I don't know all the details around the different 
teams/groups doing translation. But it is fascinating to hear and learn more 
about it.
>  
> The NGO works with the Cambodian government on the migration of  
> OpenOffice, and mostly with the Ministry of Education, which has made  
> OpenOffice in Khmer compulsory in Education (MS is not allowed in schools).
>  
>  

perfect  
>  
> We have always worked directly using .SDF files, not using Pootle,  
> mostly because we were using XLIFF files instead of PO to localize, as  
> it is much more efficient. We developed our own XLIFF editor (WordForge).
>  
>  

Do you want an updated sdf file? I can send you one.

Can you share more details about your XLIFF editor etc. Is it open source and 
can it be used by others? We still can improve our localization process and the 
project can definitely benefit from experts in this area (it's not me ;-)) who 
can help to drive things forward.
>  
> Having Khmer included in the list and having a 3.4.1 installer would be  
> great for us, as the gap since 3.3 has already been to long. The  
> translation in Pootle will be completed within this week.
>  
Ok, we have it on the list now.

Juergen
  
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Javier
> >  
> > We can include a Khmer language pack for the upcoming dev snapshots for
> > 3.5 to help you verifying the current state of the translation.
> >  
> > Juergen  

Re: [UX][Volunteers Needed] - Harvesting Social Data

[Graham Lauder]

> > > 
> > > Added one example (and fixed a typo on the table headings) to see how
> > > it works.
> > > 
> > > KG01 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I think "description" column should be left aligned, not centred, but
> > > other than aligning paragraph one by one I cannot find a way to do so
> > > on the column. Also the bold is not needed there, but I did not find
> > > how to change that.
> > 
> > KG01 - Man alive, the mediawiki is really hard to work in. I'm aware of
> > the formatting issues. Let's focus on content for now. I created a
> > better table today in another page, and can copy the wiki code over.
> > It's easier to read than the social data table.
> 
> It's OK you've just formatted every row as a header.
> 
> I'll sort it.
> 
> Cheers
> GL

Done.  

It's a good idea to have the formatting toolbar enabled if you're not sure of 
the markup.  Go to your preferences tab, select "Editing" and check "Show edit 
toolbar".  It makes things a little easier.

For bulk changes I just copy and paste the markup into Writer.

Cheers
GL  


> 
> > > I'm really a newbie on wikis, as you can see :)
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Ricardo

[RELEASE][3.4.1]Need review AOO 3.4.1 release blocker defect

[Yan Ji]

I went through bugzilla defects with flag set 3.4.1_release_blocker?[1]. 
Totally 13 defects have this flag. As reviewed I thought following three 
defects are not really blocker issue. 

Bug 119272 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119272
Bug 119525 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119525
Bug 120048 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120048

Can someone review the defect list?


[1]https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?f1=flagtypes.name&list_id=17075&o1=equals&o2=notequals&query_format=advanced&f2=resolution&v1=3.4.1_release_blocker%3F&v2=DUPLICATE

Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji

Re: Support of system libraries for apr,apr-util,serf,coinmp

[Andre Fischer]

On 26.06.2012 22:56, Yuri Dario wrote:

Hi Andre,


There may be minor problems with the OS/2 port.  I don't have that


I did a preliminary test on my existing tree. I regenerated configure
script and I ran it again adding the new switches.

But I don't get the build system to enter apr/aprutil/serf
directories, so aprutil_version.mk is not copied to solver tree.


Argh, good catch.  I turned off the dependency of scp2 on aprutil when 
SYSTEM_APR_UTIL is YES.  I forgot about the version file.  But that 
should be a simple fix.




 From instsetoo_native directory,

build --all --show

does not list apr/aprutil/serf builds.


Yes, that is basically a feature but see above.

-Andre


Manually running build&deliver inside apr_util directory correctly
delivers the .mk file.

Re: [UX][Volunteers Needed] - Harvesting Social Data

[Kevin Grignon]

KG02 - See comments inline.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Graham Lauder  wrote:

>
> > > >
> > > > Added one example (and fixed a typo on the table headings) to see how
> > > > it works.
> > > >
> > > > KG01 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think "description" column should be left aligned, not centred, but
> > > > other than aligning paragraph one by one I cannot find a way to do so
> > > > on the column. Also the bold is not needed there, but I did not find
> > > > how to change that.
> > >
> > > KG01 - Man alive, the mediawiki is really hard to work in. I'm aware of
> > > the formatting issues. Let's focus on content for now. I created a
> > > better table today in another page, and can copy the wiki code over.
> > > It's easier to read than the social data table.
> >
> > It's OK you've just formatted every row as a header.
> >
> > I'll sort it.
> >
> > Cheers
> > GL
>
> Done.
>
> KG02 - Yes, I see the changes. Looks great.


> It's a good idea to have the formatting toolbar enabled if you're not sure
> of
> the markup.  Go to your preferences tab, select "Editing" and check "Show
> edit
> toolbar".  It makes things a little easier.
>

KG02 - Good stuff.

>
> For bulk changes I just copy and paste the markup into Writer.
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
>
> >
> > > > I'm really a newbie on wikis, as you can see :)
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Ricardo
>