Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Pedro Giffuni]

FWIW, there are now double backslashes, it redirects to

http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br//

but it works :).

Thanks!

Pedro.

--- Lun 2/1/12, Dave Fisher  ha scritto:

> Hi Pedro,
> 
> Joe has added this redirect and it appears to work.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> 
> > HI;
> > 
> > Just accidentally found this while checking some links
> ...
> > 
> > Please have this URL:
> > http://br-pt.openoffice.org/
> > 
> > redirect to
> > 
> > http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > Pedro.
> 
>

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Pedro,

Joe has added this redirect and it appears to work.

Regards,
Dave

On Jan 2, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

> HI;
> 
> Just accidentally found this while checking some links ...
> 
> Please have this URL:
> http://br-pt.openoffice.org/
> 
> redirect to
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Pedro.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Pedro Giffuni]

HI;

Just accidentally found this while checking some links ...
 
Please have this URL:
http://br-pt.openoffice.org/

redirect to

http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/

cheers,

Pedro.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 26/12/2011 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I still can't help you since I haven't got access so far. Anyway, even
if it breaks, given the current status of Extensions and Templates I
believe that broken authentication will just be a minor annoyance.


Unfortunately it seems that authentication on the Extensions site is 
broken at the moment. I don't know if this is the result of some 
undisclosed maintenance work (the site is much more responsive than 
usual) or of the DNS migration, but the timing is worth a check.


http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/user
dies with
  ---
The login is currently not possible: http://eis.services.openoffice.org/ 
- HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found

  ---
so the URL we were wondering about is probably somewhere under 
eis.services.openoffice.org


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM, drew  wrote:
>>> 
 On Mon, 2011-12-26 at 17:08 -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher 
 wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>> 
 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher >> 
>>> wrote:
 
> 
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher <
 dave2w...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is
 ready
>>> for
>>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people
 to
> review.
>>> 
>>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.orgready
>> for
>>> migration on /index.html?
>>> 
>>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the
 podling
> site.
>>> Please help.
>>> 
>>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated
 for:
>>> 
>>> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
>>> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>>> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
>>> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
>>> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it
 should
>>> be
>>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>>> 
>>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That
 is a
>>> different migration for another discussion.
>>> 
>>> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit
 the
>>> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
>>> 
>>> (4)
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.htmlneeds
>>> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO
 projects
> story!
>>> 
>>> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
>>> 
>>> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will
 become
>>> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available
>> elsewhere?
> GMane.
>>> These links are all over.
>>> 
>>> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project
 Leaders to
>>> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not
 perfect..).
>>> 
>>> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
>>> Leader"
>>> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
> "Leaders".
>>> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
> determined if
>>> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We
>> can
>>> play
>>> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent
 for
>>> the
>>> start.
>>> 
>>> (7) What else?
>>> 
>> 
>> OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
>> 
>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/
>> 
>> has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think
 this
>>> is
>> mandatory to most users.
> 
> Perhaps this:
> 
> http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
 
 OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!
>>> 
>>> There is an example on the documentation site.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>> 
>> Well as it turns out since Apache already is using google search, a
 bit of
>> a tweak and I can make the search customized  to
>> ooo-site.apache.orginstead of the whole of
>> apache.org. So, I will mockup a little search form on one of the
 pages, and
>> we can take a look.
> 
> Actually it would be best to copy the search logic out of
 OpenOffice.org's top bar.
> 
> Also there is a search page: http://ooo-site.apache.org/search/
> 
 
 
>> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=017545616337881745421:-ceobim2oxw&hl=en
 
 Another take on that...
 
 //drew
 
 Well we do not need all this. I just took the form code from Apache's
>> main
>>> search and substituted in "ooo-site.apache.org" for "*.apache.org" and
>>> voila! customized for ooo-site. I just need to look at incorporation and
>>> styling at this point. I should have a "test" on one of the pages later
>>> today.
>> 
>> I think you should do your test while replacing the content on
>> /search/index.html - all of the top half of that is old/f

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM, drew  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2011-12-26 at 17:08 -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>>
>  On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher 
> >> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>>
>  On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher <
> >> dave2w...@comcast.net>
> >>> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is
> >> ready
> > for
> > review before migration. There are several last issues for people
> >> to
> >>> review.
> >
> > (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.orgready
> for
> > migration on /index.html?
> >
> > (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the
> >> podling
> >>> site.
> > Please help.
> >
> > The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated
> >> for:
> >
> > ooo-users   for user@oo.o
> > ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> > ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
> > ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
> > ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it
> >> should
> > be
> > ooo-utenti-il...)
> >
> > Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That
> >> is a
> > different migration for another discussion.
> >
> > (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit
> >> the
> > realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
> >
> > (4)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.htmlneeds
> > review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO
> >> projects
> >>> story!
> >
> > (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
> >
> > The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will
> >> become
> > 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available
> elsewhere?
> >>> GMane.
> > These links are all over.
> >
> > (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project
> >> Leaders to
> > Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not
> >> perfect..).
> >
> > It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
> > Leader"
> > category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
> >>> "Leaders".
> > I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
> >>> determined if
> > the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We
> can
> > play
> > with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent
> >> for
> > the
> > start.
> >
> > (7) What else?
> >
> 
>  OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
> 
>  http://ooo-site.apache.org/
> 
>  has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think
> >> this
> > is
>  mandatory to most users.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps this:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>
> >> OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!
> >
> > There is an example on the documentation site.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> 
>  Well as it turns out since Apache already is using google search, a
> >> bit of
>  a tweak and I can make the search customized  to
>  ooo-site.apache.orginstead of the whole of
>  apache.org. So, I will mockup a little search form on one of the
> >> pages, and
>  we can take a look.
> >>>
> >>> Actually it would be best to copy the search logic out of
> >> OpenOffice.org's top bar.
> >>>
> >>> Also there is a search page: http://ooo-site.apache.org/search/
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=017545616337881745421:-ceobim2oxw&hl=en
> >>
> >> Another take on that...
> >>
> >> //drew
> >>
> >> Well we do not need all this. I just took the form code from Apache's
> main
> > search and substituted in "ooo-site.apache.org" for "*.apache.org" and
> > voila! customized for ooo-site. I just need to look at incorporation and
> > styling at this point. I should have a "test" on one of the pages later
> > today.
>
> I think you should do your test while replacing the content on
> /search/index.html - all of the top half of that is old/failed collabnet
> style /servlets/.
>

??? confused by what you mean here...I'll see what I can figure out!


>

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM, drew  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 2011-12-26 at 17:08 -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>> 
 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
 
> 
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher <
>> dave2w...@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is
>> ready
> for
> review before migration. There are several last issues for people
>> to
>>> review.
> 
> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.orgready for
> migration on /index.html?
> 
> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the
>> podling
>>> site.
> Please help.
> 
> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated
>> for:
> 
> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it
>> should
> be
> ooo-utenti-il...)
> 
> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That
>> is a
> different migration for another discussion.
> 
> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit
>> the
> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
> 
> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.htmlneeds
> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO
>> projects
>>> story!
> 
> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
> 
> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will
>> become
> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere?
>>> GMane.
> These links are all over.
> 
> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project
>> Leaders to
> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not
>> perfect..).
> 
> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
> Leader"
> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
>>> "Leaders".
> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
>>> determined if
> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can
> play
> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent
>> for
> the
> start.
> 
> (7) What else?
> 
 
 OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
 
 http://ooo-site.apache.org/
 
 has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think
>> this
> is
 mandatory to most users.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps this:
>>> 
>>> http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>> 
>> OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!
> 
> There is an example on the documentation site.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
 
 Well as it turns out since Apache already is using google search, a
>> bit of
 a tweak and I can make the search customized  to
 ooo-site.apache.orginstead of the whole of
 apache.org. So, I will mockup a little search form on one of the
>> pages, and
 we can take a look.
>>> 
>>> Actually it would be best to copy the search logic out of
>> OpenOffice.org's top bar.
>>> 
>>> Also there is a search page: http://ooo-site.apache.org/search/
>>> 
>> 
>> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=017545616337881745421:-ceobim2oxw&hl=en
>> 
>> Another take on that...
>> 
>> //drew
>> 
>> Well we do not need all this. I just took the form code from Apache's main
> search and substituted in "ooo-site.apache.org" for "*.apache.org" and
> voila! customized for ooo-site. I just need to look at incorporation and
> styling at this point. I should have a "test" on one of the pages later
> today.

I think you should do your test while replacing the content on 
/search/index.html - all of the top half of that is old/failed collabnet style 
/servlets/.

I'll then take that and get it into the skeleton.html at the top and change it 
to www.openoffice.org & co.

I'll rename Teams on the topnav to Focus at the same time.

36 hours until switchover.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
>

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM, drew  wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-12-26 at 17:08 -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > 
> >  On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher <
> dave2w...@comcast.net>
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Everyone,
> > >>
> > >> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is
> ready
> > >> for
> > >> review before migration. There are several last issues for people
> to
> >  review.
> > >>
> > >> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.orgready for
> > >> migration on /index.html?
> > >>
> > >> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the
> podling
> >  site.
> > >> Please help.
> > >>
> > >> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated
> for:
> > >>
> > >> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
> > >> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> > >> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
> > >> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
> > >> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it
> should
> > >> be
> > >> ooo-utenti-il...)
> > >>
> > >> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That
> is a
> > >> different migration for another discussion.
> > >>
> > >> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit
> the
> > >> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
> > >>
> > >> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.htmlneeds
> > >> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO
> projects
> >  story!
> > >>
> > >> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
> > >>
> > >> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will
> become
> > >> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere?
> >  GMane.
> > >> These links are all over.
> > >>
> > >> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project
> Leaders to
> > >> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not
> perfect..).
> > >>
> > >> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
> > >> Leader"
> > >> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
> >  "Leaders".
> > >> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
> >  determined if
> > >> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can
> > >> play
> > >> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent
> for
> > >> the
> > >> start.
> > >>
> > >> (7) What else?
> > >>
> > >
> > > OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
> > >
> > > http://ooo-site.apache.org/
> > >
> > > has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think
> this
> > >> is
> > > mandatory to most users.
> > 
> >  Perhaps this:
> > 
> >  http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
> > 
> >  Regards,
> >  Dave
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!
> > >>
> > >> There is an example on the documentation site.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >
> > > Well as it turns out since Apache already is using google search, a
> bit of
> > > a tweak and I can make the search customized  to
> > > ooo-site.apache.orginstead of the whole of
> > > apache.org. So, I will mockup a little search form on one of the
> pages, and
> > > we can take a look.
> >
> > Actually it would be best to copy the search logic out of
> OpenOffice.org's top bar.
> >
> > Also there is a search page: http://ooo-site.apache.org/search/
> >
>
> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=017545616337881745421:-ceobim2oxw&hl=en
>
> Another take on that...
>
> //drew
>
> Well we do not need all this. I just took the form code from Apache's main
search and substituted in "ooo-site.apache.org" for "*.apache.org" and
voila! customized for ooo-site. I just need to look at incorporation and
styling at this point. I should have a "test" on one of the pages later
today.



-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[drew]

On Mon, 2011-12-26 at 17:08 -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher 
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
>  
>  On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>  
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher 
>  wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >> 
> >> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready
> >> for
> >> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to
>  review.
> >> 
> >> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
> >> migration on /index.html?
> >> 
> >> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling
>  site.
> >> Please help.
> >> 
> >> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
> >> 
> >> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
> >> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> >> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
> >> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
> >> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should
> >> be
> >> ooo-utenti-il...)
> >> 
> >> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
> >> different migration for another discussion.
> >> 
> >> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
> >> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
> >> 
> >> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
> >> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects
>  story!
> >> 
> >> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
> >> 
> >> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
> >> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere?
>  GMane.
> >> These links are all over.
> >> 
> >> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
> >> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
> >> 
> >> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
> >> Leader"
> >> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
>  "Leaders".
> >> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
>  determined if
> >> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can
> >> play
> >> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for
> >> the
> >> start.
> >> 
> >> (7) What else?
> >> 
> > 
> > OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
> > 
> > http://ooo-site.apache.org/
> > 
> > has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think this
> >> is
> > mandatory to most users.
>  
>  Perhaps this:
>  
>  http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
>  
>  Regards,
>  Dave
>  
> >>> 
> >>> OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!
> >> 
> >> There is an example on the documentation site.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >> 
> > 
> > Well as it turns out since Apache already is using google search, a bit of
> > a tweak and I can make the search customized  to
> > ooo-site.apache.orginstead of the whole of
> > apache.org. So, I will mockup a little search form on one of the pages, and
> > we can take a look.
> 
> Actually it would be best to copy the search logic out of OpenOffice.org's 
> top bar.
> 
> Also there is a search page: http://ooo-site.apache.org/search/
> 

http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=017545616337881745421:-ceobim2oxw&hl=en

Another take on that...

//drew

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher 
 wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready
>> for
>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to
 review.
>> 
>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
>> migration on /index.html?
>> 
>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling
 site.
>> Please help.
>> 
>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>> 
>> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
>> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
>> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
>> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should
>> be
>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>> 
>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
>> different migration for another discussion.
>> 
>> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
>> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
>> 
>> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
>> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects
 story!
>> 
>> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
>> 
>> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
>> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere?
 GMane.
>> These links are all over.
>> 
>> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
>> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
>> 
>> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
>> Leader"
>> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
 "Leaders".
>> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
 determined if
>> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can
>> play
>> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for
>> the
>> start.
>> 
>> (7) What else?
>> 
> 
> OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
> 
> http://ooo-site.apache.org/
> 
> has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think this
>> is
> mandatory to most users.
 
 Perhaps this:
 
 http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
 
 Regards,
 Dave
 
>>> 
>>> OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!
>> 
>> There is an example on the documentation site.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
> 
> Well as it turns out since Apache already is using google search, a bit of
> a tweak and I can make the search customized  to
> ooo-site.apache.orginstead of the whole of
> apache.org. So, I will mockup a little search form on one of the pages, and
> we can take a look.

Actually it would be best to copy the search logic out of OpenOffice.org's top 
bar.

Also there is a search page: http://ooo-site.apache.org/search/

Regards,
Dave



> 
> Stay tuned.
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 
> 
> 
>> I am expecting that @openoffice.org email aliases will not be
>> disabled
 by
>> migrating the OpenOffice.org site to the ASF.
>> 
>> All other issues are minor and can wait, at least that is my opinion.
>> Yours may differ!
>> 
>> Native Language versions of the top navigation and adjustments to
>> those
>> rules can wait. There are choices, but migrating is more important!
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
 
>> 
> MzK
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
>-- Mohandas Gandhi
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>> 
>>> MzK
>>> 
>>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
>>> by the way its animals are treated."
>>> -- Mohandas Gandhi
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
>  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 26, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> 
 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Dave Fisher 
>>> wrote:
 
 
 
> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
>>> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
> 
> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
>>> Leader" category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
>>> "Leaders". I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
>>> determined if the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project.
>>> We can play with this after migration, but it would be good to be
>>> consistent for the start.
> 
 
 As we all know, leadership at Apache is what you do.  It is not a
 title.  You might the website lead today, but in a month in might be
 someone else.  In fact, you might hope it was even sooner ;-)
>>> 
>>> I try ;-D
>>> 
 
 So rather than declare "leads" in various categories on the
 openoffice.org website (the public facing, user website) I wonder
 whether we could just use our existing "People" page  [1]?  That
 provides an easy way for any committer to indicate their interests and
 it would be easy for anyone to indicate their current project focus as
 well.
>>> 
>>> If you follow the thread and the commits from Kay today, you'll see that
>>> we've removed the project leader column!
>>> 
>>> The people page is a good idea. I think that the Apache concept is very ad
>>> hoc. ooo-dev is the place to form up teams for various activities. (I've
>>> recently read a history of the Comanches.)
>>> 
>>> I wonder if we should discuss two of the topnav buttons currently on
>>> ooo-site - Teams and Develop.
>>> 
>>> I think Teams should be renamed Project and ought to link to a new page
>>> that combines projects/accepted.html and incubator.html. The OOo projects
>>> become tables of links into ooo-site.  People, mailing lists and
>>> get-involved would be linked to in the podling site. An explanation that at
>>> Apache Teams are formed on ooo-dev. If you are interested in an
>>> improvement: bring it up, help may appear, a team may form.
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Dave--
>> 
>> Playing catch up here. The idea of renaming "Teams" to "Project" seems
>> worthwhile, I think. Although I think "Project" might need some further
>> definition especially is we present a *list* of items. Some suggestions:
>> Project Areas, Development Areas, Focus Areas? Maybe I'm just muddying the
>> waters I don't know.
>> 
> 
> "Project" already has a meaning at Apache. Do we really want to
> overload that term?  I like "Focus Areas".  I was going to suggest it
> before, but I wasn't sure if the term was familiar to non-native
> English speakers.

Let's change Teams to "Focus" and the page "Focus Areas"

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
>> As far as the legacy Incubator projects...I'm not sure how many of these
>> are still really "active". And...we had some discussion about "bizdev"
>> early on that indicated this was probably NOT an appropriate activity/group
>> for the ASF.  Of the remaining incubator areas, I think we might include
>> only the following: Education, Extensions, Modularization, Performance,
>> Security, Specifications, VBA Interoperability (???), WP.
>> 
>> Just my .02.
>> 
>> Anyway, your ideas DO seem pretty good to me.
>> 
>> 
>>> I would make this new page in mdtext. I programmed a table enhancement for
>>> the CMS today that will help keep the page compact - columns of rows.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't mind mdtext, but I'm more comfortable with HTML. :)
>> 
>> But...I'm open to see what you come up with. Is there an accessible mock-up
>> somewhere?
>> 
>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> I wonder if Develop should also go there? Does this all become a new "Get
>>> Involved"?
>>> 
>>> Happy Holidays,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
 
 
 [1] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> MzK
>> 
>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
>>  by the way its animals are treated."
>>  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
>> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
>> >>
>> >> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
>> Leader" category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
>> "Leaders". I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
>> determined if the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project.
>> We can play with this after migration, but it would be good to be
>> consistent for the start.
>> >>
>> >
>> > As we all know, leadership at Apache is what you do.  It is not a
>> > title.  You might the website lead today, but in a month in might be
>> > someone else.  In fact, you might hope it was even sooner ;-)
>>
>> I try ;-D
>>
>> >
>> > So rather than declare "leads" in various categories on the
>> > openoffice.org website (the public facing, user website) I wonder
>> > whether we could just use our existing "People" page  [1]?  That
>> > provides an easy way for any committer to indicate their interests and
>> > it would be easy for anyone to indicate their current project focus as
>> > well.
>>
>> If you follow the thread and the commits from Kay today, you'll see that
>> we've removed the project leader column!
>>
>> The people page is a good idea. I think that the Apache concept is very ad
>> hoc. ooo-dev is the place to form up teams for various activities. (I've
>> recently read a history of the Comanches.)
>>
>> I wonder if we should discuss two of the topnav buttons currently on
>> ooo-site - Teams and Develop.
>>
>> I think Teams should be renamed Project and ought to link to a new page
>> that combines projects/accepted.html and incubator.html. The OOo projects
>> become tables of links into ooo-site.  People, mailing lists and
>> get-involved would be linked to in the podling site. An explanation that at
>> Apache Teams are formed on ooo-dev. If you are interested in an
>> improvement: bring it up, help may appear, a team may form.
>>
>
> Hi Dave--
>
> Playing catch up here. The idea of renaming "Teams" to "Project" seems
> worthwhile, I think. Although I think "Project" might need some further
> definition especially is we present a *list* of items. Some suggestions:
> Project Areas, Development Areas, Focus Areas? Maybe I'm just muddying the
> waters I don't know.
>

"Project" already has a meaning at Apache. Do we really want to
overload that term?  I like "Focus Areas".  I was going to suggest it
before, but I wasn't sure if the term was familiar to non-native
English speakers.


> As far as the legacy Incubator projects...I'm not sure how many of these
> are still really "active". And...we had some discussion about "bizdev"
> early on that indicated this was probably NOT an appropriate activity/group
> for the ASF.  Of the remaining incubator areas, I think we might include
> only the following: Education, Extensions, Modularization, Performance,
> Security, Specifications, VBA Interoperability (???), WP.
>
> Just my .02.
>
> Anyway, your ideas DO seem pretty good to me.
>
>
>> I would make this new page in mdtext. I programmed a table enhancement for
>> the CMS today that will help keep the page compact - columns of rows.
>>
>
>
> I don't mind mdtext, but I'm more comfortable with HTML. :)
>
> But...I'm open to see what you come up with. Is there an accessible mock-up
> somewhere?
>
>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> I wonder if Develop should also go there? Does this all become a new "Get
>> Involved"?
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>> Dave
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
>  by the way its animals are treated."
>                              -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Everyone,
> 
>  The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready
> for
>  review before migration. There are several last issues for people to
> >> review.
> 
>  (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
>  migration on /index.html?
> 
>  (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling
> >> site.
>  Please help.
> 
>  The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
> 
>  ooo-users   for user@oo.o
>  ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>  ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
>  ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
>  ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should
> be
>  ooo-utenti-il...)
> 
>  Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
>  different migration for another discussion.
> 
>  (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
>  realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
> 
>  (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
>  review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects
> >> story!
> 
>  (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
> 
>  The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
>  404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere?
> >> GMane.
>  These links are all over.
> 
>  (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
>  Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
> 
>  It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
> Leader"
>  category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
> >> "Leaders".
>  I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
> >> determined if
>  the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can
> play
>  with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for
> the
>  start.
> 
>  (7) What else?
> 
> >>>
> >>> OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
> >>>
> >>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/
> >>>
> >>> has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think this
> is
> >>> mandatory to most users.
> >>
> >> Perhaps this:
> >>
> >> http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >
> > OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!
>
> There is an example on the documentation site.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>

Well as it turns out since Apache already is using google search, a bit of
a tweak and I can make the search customized  to
ooo-site.apache.orginstead of the whole of
apache.org. So, I will mockup a little search form on one of the pages, and
we can take a look.

Stay tuned.

>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
>  I am expecting that @openoffice.org email aliases will not be
> disabled
> >> by
>  migrating the OpenOffice.org site to the ASF.
> 
>  All other issues are minor and can wait, at least that is my opinion.
>  Yours may differ!
> 
>  Native Language versions of the top navigation and adjustments to
> those
>  rules can wait. There are choices, but migrating is more important!
> 
>  Best Regards,
>  Dave
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>
> 
> >>> MzK
> >>>
> >>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> >>> by the way its animals are treated."
> >>> -- Mohandas Gandhi
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> > by the way its animals are treated."
> >  -- Mohandas Gandhi
>
>


-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for
 review before migration. There are several last issues for people to
>> review.
 
 (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
 migration on /index.html?
 
 (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling
>> site.
 Please help.
 
 The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
 
 ooo-users   for user@oo.o
 ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
 ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
 ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
 ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be
 ooo-utenti-il...)
 
 Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
 different migration for another discussion.
 
 (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
 realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
 
 (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
 review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects
>> story!
 
 (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
 
 The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere?
>> GMane.
 These links are all over.
 
 (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
 Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
 
 It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team Leader"
 category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
>> "Leaders".
 I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
>> determined if
 the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can play
 with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for the
 start.
 
 (7) What else?
 
>>> 
>>> OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
>>> 
>>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/
>>> 
>>> has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think this is
>>> mandatory to most users.
>> 
>> Perhaps this:
>> 
>> http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
> 
> OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!

There is an example on the documentation site.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 I am expecting that @openoffice.org email aliases will not be disabled
>> by
 migrating the OpenOffice.org site to the ASF.
 
 All other issues are minor and can wait, at least that is my opinion.
 Yours may differ!
 
 Native Language versions of the top navigation and adjustments to those
 rules can wait. There are choices, but migrating is more important!
 
 Best Regards,
 Dave
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>> 
>>> MzK
>>> 
>>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
>>> by the way its animals are treated."
>>> -- Mohandas Gandhi
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
>  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for
> >> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to
> review.
> >>
> >> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
> >> migration on /index.html?
> >>
> >> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling
> site.
> >> Please help.
> >>
> >> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
> >>
> >> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
> >> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> >> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
> >> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
> >> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be
> >> ooo-utenti-il...)
> >>
> >> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
> >> different migration for another discussion.
> >>
> >> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
> >> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
> >>
> >> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
> >> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects
> story!
> >>
> >> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
> >>
> >> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
> >> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere?
> GMane.
> >> These links are all over.
> >>
> >> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
> >> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
> >>
> >> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team Leader"
> >> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
> "Leaders".
> >> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
> determined if
> >> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can play
> >> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for the
> >> start.
> >>
> >> (7) What else?
> >>
> >
> > OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
> >
> > http://ooo-site.apache.org/
> >
> > has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think this is
> > mandatory to most users.
>
> Perhaps this:
>
> http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>

OK--I will investigate. Yes, we need something!


>
>
> >
> >
> >> I am expecting that @openoffice.org email aliases will not be disabled
> by
> >> migrating the OpenOffice.org site to the ASF.
> >>
> >> All other issues are minor and can wait, at least that is my opinion.
> >> Yours may differ!
> >>
> >> Native Language versions of the top navigation and adjustments to those
> >> rules can wait. There are choices, but migrating is more important!
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> > by the way its animals are treated."
> >  -- Mohandas Gandhi
>
>


-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for
>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
>> 
>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
>> migration on /index.html?
>> 
>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site.
>> Please help.
>> 
>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>> 
>> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
>> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
>> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
>> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be
>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>> 
>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
>> different migration for another discussion.
>> 
>> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
>> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
>> 
>> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
>> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects story!
>> 
>> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
>> 
>> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
>> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere? GMane.
>> These links are all over.
>> 
>> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
>> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
>> 
>> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team Leader"
>> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate "Leaders".
>> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is determined if
>> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can play
>> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for the
>> start.
>> 
>> (7) What else?
>> 
> 
> OK--more...one thing I noticed is that
> 
> http://ooo-site.apache.org/
> 
> has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think this is
> mandatory to most users.

Perhaps this:

http://www.google.com/cse/?hl=en

Regards,
Dave


> 
> 
>> I am expecting that @openoffice.org email aliases will not be disabled by
>> migrating the OpenOffice.org site to the ASF.
>> 
>> All other issues are minor and can wait, at least that is my opinion.
>> Yours may differ!
>> 
>> Native Language versions of the top navigation and adjustments to those
>> rules can wait. There are choices, but migrating is more important!
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
>  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for
> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
>
> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
> migration on /index.html?
>
> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site.
> Please help.
>
> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>
> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be
> ooo-utenti-il...)
>
> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
> different migration for another discussion.
>
> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
>
> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects story!
>
> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
>
> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere? GMane.
> These links are all over.
>
> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
>
> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team Leader"
> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate "Leaders".
> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is determined if
> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can play
> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for the
> start.
>
> (7) What else?
>

OK--more...one thing I noticed is that

 http://ooo-site.apache.org/

has no site search function. What can be done about this? I think this is
mandatory to most users.


> I am expecting that @openoffice.org email aliases will not be disabled by
> migrating the OpenOffice.org site to the ASF.
>
> All other issues are minor and can wait, at least that is my opinion.
> Yours may differ!
>
> Native Language versions of the top navigation and adjustments to those
> rules can wait. There are choices, but migrating is more important!
>
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
>


-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Dec 23, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
> >>
> >> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team
> Leader" category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate
> "Leaders". I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is
> determined if the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project.
> We can play with this after migration, but it would be good to be
> consistent for the start.
> >>
> >
> > As we all know, leadership at Apache is what you do.  It is not a
> > title.  You might the website lead today, but in a month in might be
> > someone else.  In fact, you might hope it was even sooner ;-)
>
> I try ;-D
>
> >
> > So rather than declare "leads" in various categories on the
> > openoffice.org website (the public facing, user website) I wonder
> > whether we could just use our existing "People" page  [1]?  That
> > provides an easy way for any committer to indicate their interests and
> > it would be easy for anyone to indicate their current project focus as
> > well.
>
> If you follow the thread and the commits from Kay today, you'll see that
> we've removed the project leader column!
>
> The people page is a good idea. I think that the Apache concept is very ad
> hoc. ooo-dev is the place to form up teams for various activities. (I've
> recently read a history of the Comanches.)
>
> I wonder if we should discuss two of the topnav buttons currently on
> ooo-site - Teams and Develop.
>
> I think Teams should be renamed Project and ought to link to a new page
> that combines projects/accepted.html and incubator.html. The OOo projects
> become tables of links into ooo-site.  People, mailing lists and
> get-involved would be linked to in the podling site. An explanation that at
> Apache Teams are formed on ooo-dev. If you are interested in an
> improvement: bring it up, help may appear, a team may form.
>

Hi Dave--

Playing catch up here. The idea of renaming "Teams" to "Project" seems
worthwhile, I think. Although I think "Project" might need some further
definition especially is we present a *list* of items. Some suggestions:
Project Areas, Development Areas, Focus Areas? Maybe I'm just muddying the
waters I don't know.

As far as the legacy Incubator projects...I'm not sure how many of these
are still really "active". And...we had some discussion about "bizdev"
early on that indicated this was probably NOT an appropriate activity/group
for the ASF.  Of the remaining incubator areas, I think we might include
only the following: Education, Extensions, Modularization, Performance,
Security, Specifications, VBA Interoperability (???), WP.

Just my .02.

Anyway, your ideas DO seem pretty good to me.


> I would make this new page in mdtext. I programmed a table enhancement for
> the CMS today that will help keep the page compact - columns of rows.
>


I don't mind mdtext, but I'm more comfortable with HTML. :)

But...I'm open to see what you come up with. Is there an accessible mock-up
somewhere?


> Thoughts?
>
> I wonder if Develop should also go there? Does this all become a new "Get
> Involved"?
>
> Happy Holidays,
> Dave
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> >
> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html
>
>


-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 23/12/2011 03:15, Dave Fisher wrote:

On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

got some information about Extensions and Templates clarifying that
the authentication depends on http://openoffice.org/something and
not on a to-be-migrated subdomain, right?


I don't have that confirmation. Just that it makes sense from the
clear distinction - show me where extensions.services.oo.o does its
login now.


I still can't help you since I haven't got access so far. Anyway, even 
if it breaks, given the current status of Extensions and Templates I 
believe that broken authentication will just be a minor annoyance.


So I will just try to authenticate there after the migration has been 
completed and see if it is OK; if not, there will be time to fix it.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 22/12/2011 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 22/12/2011 Dave Fisher wrote:

The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
... ooo-utenti for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be
ooo-utenti-il...)

I will take care of checking/redoing the last one. I replaced links to
the Italian users list "utenti" on the then-live site (I mean
it.openoffice.org linked to the Kenai SVN repository) about 24 hours ago
and I'll port the patch to the new www.openoffice.org when it goes live.


I've just replaced in the Italian site (in the Apache SVN) all legacy 
"institutional" addresses historically used by the Italian N-L Project 
(like aziende, scuole, soho, stampa AT openoffice.org) with addresses we 
actually control. Same for mailing lists, now redirected to 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-utenti-it/


Note that I found (and fixed within the "it" site) references to 
ooo-market...@apache.org which are probably not correct: the lists are 
still on incubator.apache.org only, right?


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 23, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to Teams 
>> and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
>> 
>> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team Leader" 
>> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate "Leaders". I 
>> do think it is worth retaining this information until it is determined if 
>> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can play with 
>> this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for the start.
>> 
> 
> As we all know, leadership at Apache is what you do.  It is not a
> title.  You might the website lead today, but in a month in might be
> someone else.  In fact, you might hope it was even sooner ;-)

I try ;-D

> 
> So rather than declare "leads" in various categories on the
> openoffice.org website (the public facing, user website) I wonder
> whether we could just use our existing "People" page  [1]?  That
> provides an easy way for any committer to indicate their interests and
> it would be easy for anyone to indicate their current project focus as
> well.

If you follow the thread and the commits from Kay today, you'll see that we've 
removed the project leader column!

The people page is a good idea. I think that the Apache concept is very ad hoc. 
ooo-dev is the place to form up teams for various activities. (I've recently 
read a history of the Comanches.)

I wonder if we should discuss two of the topnav buttons currently on ooo-site - 
Teams and Develop.

I think Teams should be renamed Project and ought to link to a new page that 
combines projects/accepted.html and incubator.html. The OOo projects become 
tables of links into ooo-site.  People, mailing lists and get-involved would be 
linked to in the podling site. An explanation that at Apache Teams are formed 
on ooo-dev. If you are interested in an improvement: bring it up, help may 
appear, a team may form.

I would make this new page in mdtext. I programmed a table enhancement for the 
CMS today that will help keep the page compact - columns of rows.

Thoughts?

I wonder if Develop should also go there? Does this all become a new "Get 
Involved"?

Happy Holidays,
Dave

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:



> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to Teams 
> and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
>
> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team Leader" 
> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate "Leaders". I 
> do think it is worth retaining this information until it is determined if the 
> individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can play with this 
> after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for the start.
>

As we all know, leadership at Apache is what you do.  It is not a
title.  You might the website lead today, but in a month in might be
someone else.  In fact, you might hope it was even sooner ;-)

So rather than declare "leads" in various categories on the
openoffice.org website (the public facing, user website) I wonder
whether we could just use our existing "People" page  [1]?  That
provides an easy way for any committer to indicate their interests and
it would be easy for anyone to indicate their current project focus as
well.


[1] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
On 2011-12-23, at 12:12 , Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> 
>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>> 
>>> [...] I left the N-L contacts alone for now, since I don't know what
>>> 
>>> the status of that is.
>>> 
>> 
>> It is equally outdated, but it would probably be better to write "Contact"
>> instead of "Project Lead" in the table header at http://ooo-site.staging.*
>> *apache.org/projects/native-**lang.html
>> 
>> While still being wrong in quite a few cases, this at least doesn't
>> suggest that there is an organized hierarchy in the Apache OpenOffice
>> subprojects/teams.
>> 
>> I'm not changing this myself to avoid commit conflicts during migration.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>> 
> 
> Excellent suggestion, Andrea! "Contacts" it is for N-L page!

Totally agree. The reason I chose to use "Project Lead" lies rooted in my 
squishy anarchism. CollabNet had a term they chose, "project owner" (remember, 
our old infrastructure, later named CollabNet, was based on, uhm, Apache's, 
courtesy Brian B and others who sort of founded the thing that became Apache 
SF).  "Owner" sounded, I don't know, proprietary. "Lead" sounded, at least to 
me, more neutral: one was "leading" not "owning." And in open source, as Brian 
and I have many times said, you lead by doing. Brian calls it a "do-ocracy," 
which sort of finesses the problematic of meritocracy vs. democracy (the two 
need sequence to survive each other).

But power is as power does and a rose is a rose is a rose and will smell as 
sweet and prick as sharp no matter what wee call it.

The power structure of Ye Olde OOo determined things. Sadly, not names.

But a new year is upon us and a new field before us. Apache has proven itself 
to be great, and there is every reason to take from the past what we need but 
not what we don't want.

So, Happy Chanukah, Winter Solstice, every other seasonal holiday, and even 
better, Happy New Year (I can get bubbly for that.)

ciao
louis

> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
>  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> [...] I left the N-L contacts alone for now, since I don't know what
>>
>> the status of that is.
>>
>
> It is equally outdated, but it would probably be better to write "Contact"
> instead of "Project Lead" in the table header at http://ooo-site.staging.*
> *apache.org/projects/native-**lang.html
>
> While still being wrong in quite a few cases, this at least doesn't
> suggest that there is an organized hierarchy in the Apache OpenOffice
> subprojects/teams.
>
> I'm not changing this myself to avoid commit conflicts during migration.
>
> Regards,
>  Andrea.
>

Excellent suggestion, Andrea! "Contacts" it is for N-L page!



-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Joe,

It turns out that these /servlet urls fail on the existing www.openoffice.org. 
Nothing to do here.

Regards,
Dave


On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
> 
> One more try. I may have been somewhat dense earlier today.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do 
>> when it serves up ooo-site.apach.org.  Isn't that the plan?
> 
> The plan is twofold.
> 
> (1) For ooo-site.apache.org to do what www.openoffice.org does now with 
> exceptions - it doesn't do servlets and logins related to individual 
> openoffice.org accounts.
> 
> (2) For openoffice.org to continue to do what it does now.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I know that what www.openoffice.org does now.
> 
> What http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists does now is return Kenai's 
> version of a 404. ooo-site does the same. We don't need to redirect that url.
> 
> We should be redirecting /servlets/* in ooo-site, it is not a one-to-one map 
> to openoffice.org/projects//lists.
> 
> The servlet urls look like this.
> 
> contact.html:24:Get Help 
> section.
> mail_list.html:91:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=users">Search
> mail_list.html:102:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=announce">Search
> mail_list.html:119:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=discuss">Search
> mail_list.html:131:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=social">Search
> mail_list.html:155:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=dev">Search
> mail_list.html:165:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allfeatures">Search
> mail_list.html:175:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allcvs">Search
> mail_list.html:185:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allbugs">Search
> mail_list.html:194:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allhg">Search
> mail_list.html:195:   href="/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=allhg">Browse archives
> mail_list.html:205:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-announce">Search
> mail_list.html:216:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-discuss">Search
> project_tools.html:3:Project 
> home
> project_tools.html:4: href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership
> project_tools.html:7: href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements  
> project_tools.html:8:href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing lists 
> project_tools.html:11: href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents & files
> project_tools.html:15:Issue 
> tracker
> index.html:190:id="join" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"> href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMembershipRequest";>Join the 
> project
> index.html:191:id="mailinglists" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"> href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList";>Mailing 
> Lists
> index.html:310:id="searchproj" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"> href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/Search?resultsPerPage=40&scope=project";>Search
>  the project data
> listrules.html:82:http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDownloadList
> listrules.html:151:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join
> project_tools.html:3:   Project home 
> 
> project_tools.html:4:href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership 
> project_tools.html:7:href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements 
> project_tools.html:8:href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing lists 
> project_tools.html:11:href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents & files 
> project_tools.html:16:   Issue 
> tracker 
> 
> If someone would explain how to map these to functions on 
> openoffice.org/projects/ we can make the changes to the ooo-site hrefs with 
> redirects if needed.
> 
> Is this better?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
>> The only speculation I *had* to make is that ooo-site.apache.org is going to 
>> be served up as www.openoffice.org, since it hasn't happened yet.
>> 
>> I know you are frustrated about this.  I am too.  A common set of tacit 
>> understandings is missing.  And getting to an explicit understandings seems 
>> to

Re: [PRIVATE] RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

I'm trying to tell you the behavior that I have observed.

I'm trying to tell you where the 404s are and where they will appear.

I'll attempt to fix the 404s that will be new, I won't address the 404s that 
will continue to exist. OK?

Good night.

On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> My questions are really simple.  There is no deep technical anything behind 
> them.  It's all about what will be the observable behavior.  Not how, but 
> what.
> 
> Showing me code is meaningless to me. I have no idea about servlets and can't 
> help you.  I'm a static web guy.
> 
> I'm giving up now.  Che sarà sarà.  
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 18:13
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> Hi Dennis,
> 
> One more try. I may have been somewhat dense earlier today.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do 
>> when it serves up ooo-site.apach.org.  Isn't that the plan?
> 
> The plan is twofold.
> 
> (1) For ooo-site.apache.org to do what www.openoffice.org does now with 
> exceptions - it doesn't do servlets and logins related to individual 
> openoffice.org accounts.
> 
> (2) For openoffice.org to continue to do what it does now.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I know that what www.openoffice.org does now.
> 
> What http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists does now is return Kenai's 
> version of a 404. ooo-site does the same. We don't need to redirect that url.
> 
> We should be redirecting /servlets/* in ooo-site, it is not a one-to-one map 
> to openoffice.org/projects//lists.
> 
> The servlet urls look like this.
> 
> contact.html:24:Get Help 
> section.
> mail_list.html:91:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=users">Search
> mail_list.html:102:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=announce">Search
> mail_list.html:119:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=discuss">Search
> mail_list.html:131:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=social">Search
> mail_list.html:155:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=dev">Search
> mail_list.html:165:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allfeatures">Search
> mail_list.html:175:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allcvs">Search
> mail_list.html:185:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allbugs">Search
> mail_list.html:194:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allhg">Search
> mail_list.html:195:   href="/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=allhg">Browse archives
> mail_list.html:205:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-announce">Search
> mail_list.html:216:   href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-discuss">Search
> project_tools.html:3:Project 
> home
> project_tools.html:4: href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership
> project_tools.html:7: href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements  
> project_tools.html:8:href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing lists 
> project_tools.html:11: href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents & files
> project_tools.html:15:Issue 
> tracker
> index.html:190:id="join" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"> href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMembershipRequest";>Join the 
> project
> index.html:191:id="mailinglists" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"> href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList";>Mailing 
> Lists
> index.html:310:id="searchproj" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"> href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/Search?resultsPerPage=40&scope=project";>Search
>  the project data
> listrules.html:82:http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDownloadList
> listrules.html:151:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join
> project_tools.html:3:   Project home 
> 
> project_tools.html:4:href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership 
> project_tools.html:7:href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements 
> project_tools.html:8:href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListLi

[PRIVATE] RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

My questions are really simple.  There is no deep technical anything behind 
them.  It's all about what will be the observable behavior.  Not how, but what.

Showing me code is meaningless to me. I have no idea about servlets and can't 
help you.  I'm a static web guy.

I'm giving up now.  Che sarà sarà.  

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 18:13
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

Hi Dennis,

One more try. I may have been somewhat dense earlier today.

On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do 
> when it serves up ooo-site.apach.org.  Isn't that the plan?

The plan is twofold.

(1) For ooo-site.apache.org to do what www.openoffice.org does now with 
exceptions - it doesn't do servlets and logins related to individual 
openoffice.org accounts.

(2) For openoffice.org to continue to do what it does now.


> 
> I know that what www.openoffice.org does now.

What http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists does now is return Kenai's 
version of a 404. ooo-site does the same. We don't need to redirect that url.

We should be redirecting /servlets/* in ooo-site, it is not a one-to-one map to 
openoffice.org/projects//lists.

The servlet urls look like this.

contact.html:24:Get Help section.
mail_list.html:91:  Search
mail_list.html:102:  Search
mail_list.html:119:  Search
mail_list.html:131:  Search
mail_list.html:155:  Search
mail_list.html:165:  Search
mail_list.html:175:  Search
mail_list.html:185:  Search
mail_list.html:194:  Search
mail_list.html:195:  Browse archives
mail_list.html:205:  Search
mail_list.html:216:  Search
project_tools.html:3:Project 
home
project_tools.html:4:Membership
project_tools.html:7:Announcements  
project_tools.html:8:   Mailing lists 
project_tools.html:11:Documents & files
project_tools.html:15:Issue 
tracker
index.html:190: http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMembershipRequest";>Join the 
project
index.html:191: http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList";>Mailing 
Lists
index.html:310: http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/Search?resultsPerPage=40&scope=project";>Search
 the project data
listrules.html:82:http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDownloadList
listrules.html:151:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join
project_tools.html:3:   Project home 

project_tools.html:4:   Membership 
project_tools.html:7:   Announcements 
project_tools.html:8:   Mailing 
lists 
project_tools.html:11:   Documents 
& files 
project_tools.html:16:   Issue 
tracker 

If someone would explain how to map these to functions on 
openoffice.org/projects/ we can make the changes to the ooo-site hrefs with 
redirects if needed.

Is this better?

Regards,
Dave


>  The only speculation I *had* to make is that ooo-site.apache.org is going to 
> be served up as www.openoffice.org, since it hasn't happened yet.
> 
> I know you are frustrated about this.  I am too.  A common set of tacit 
> understandings is missing.  And getting to an explicit understandings seems 
> to be beyond our reach.  Sorry.  
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> PS: Showing me curl responses for 404s and 302s doesn't help.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 13:28
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> All I know is that 
>> 
>> http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to 
>> the lists that are still operating.
> 
>> 
>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404.
>> 
>> That's not a speculation.
> 
> Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get.
> 
> wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists
> 
> 
>  "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";>
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  Not Found
>  
>  
>The page you were looking for doesn't exist.
>You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.
>  
>   class="bullet">« back
>   | 
>  home »
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> 
> You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these urls. 
> Users do not have any expectation other than a 404.
> 
>> 
>> So if you are on

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> On 22/12/2011 Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
>> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe 
>> to the old lists.)
>> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
>> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.
> 
> OK, so if I get correctly from this and the other messages we will still be 
> able to moderate legacy lists (actually, other volunteers do it much more 
> often than I do) at http://openoffice.org/projects/it/lists/ (which is good) 
> and you got some information about Extensions and Templates clarifying that 
> the authentication depends on http://openoffice.org/something and not on a 
> to-be-migrated subdomain, right?

I don't have that confirmation. Just that it makes sense from the clear 
distinction - show me where extensions.services.oo.o does its login now.

Or, maybe Gavin or Joe can say.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Thanks,
>  Andrea.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Dennis,

One more try. I may have been somewhat dense earlier today.

On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do 
> when it serves up ooo-site.apach.org.  Isn't that the plan?

The plan is twofold.

(1) For ooo-site.apache.org to do what www.openoffice.org does now with 
exceptions - it doesn't do servlets and logins related to individual 
openoffice.org accounts.

(2) For openoffice.org to continue to do what it does now.


> 
> I know that what www.openoffice.org does now.

What http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists does now is return Kenai's 
version of a 404. ooo-site does the same. We don't need to redirect that url.

We should be redirecting /servlets/* in ooo-site, it is not a one-to-one map to 
openoffice.org/projects//lists.

The servlet urls look like this.

contact.html:24:Get Help section.
mail_list.html:91:  Search
mail_list.html:102:  Search
mail_list.html:119:  Search
mail_list.html:131:  Search
mail_list.html:155:  Search
mail_list.html:165:  Search
mail_list.html:175:  Search
mail_list.html:185:  Search
mail_list.html:194:  Search
mail_list.html:195:  Browse archives
mail_list.html:205:  Search
mail_list.html:216:  Search
project_tools.html:3:Project 
home
project_tools.html:4:Membership
project_tools.html:7:Announcements  
project_tools.html:8:   Mailing lists 
project_tools.html:11:Documents & files
project_tools.html:15:Issue 
tracker
index.html:190: http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMembershipRequest";>Join the 
project
index.html:191: http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList";>Mailing 
Lists
index.html:310: http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/Search?resultsPerPage=40&scope=project";>Search
 the project data
listrules.html:82:http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDownloadList
listrules.html:151:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join
project_tools.html:3:   Project home 

project_tools.html:4:   Membership 
project_tools.html:7:   Announcements 
project_tools.html:8:   Mailing 
lists 
project_tools.html:11:   Documents 
& files 
project_tools.html:16:   Issue 
tracker 

If someone would explain how to map these to functions on 
openoffice.org/projects/ we can make the changes to the ooo-site hrefs with 
redirects if needed.

Is this better?

Regards,
Dave


>  The only speculation I *had* to make is that ooo-site.apache.org is going to 
> be served up as www.openoffice.org, since it hasn't happened yet.
> 
> I know you are frustrated about this.  I am too.  A common set of tacit 
> understandings is missing.  And getting to an explicit understandings seems 
> to be beyond our reach.  Sorry.  
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> PS: Showing me curl responses for 404s and 302s doesn't help.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 13:28
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> All I know is that 
>> 
>> http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to 
>> the lists that are still operating.
> 
>> 
>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404.
>> 
>> That's not a speculation.
> 
> Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get.
> 
> wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists
> 
> 
>  "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";>
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  Not Found
>  
>  
>The page you were looking for doesn't exist.
>You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.
>  
>   class="bullet">« back
>   | 
>  home »
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> 
> You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these urls. 
> Users do not have any expectation other than a 404.
> 
>> 
>> So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) to 
>> http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org will 
>> redirect, is that right?
> 
> KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in the 
> http://openoffice.org/projects/ path. We are leaving that legacy behind.
> 
>> And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see ooo-site.apache.org/ 
>> ... paths, is that that the idea?
> 
> They will have the same IP.
> 
>> 
>> OK, so that 

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Andrea Pescetti]

Kay Schenk wrote:

[...] I left the N-L contacts alone for now, since I don't know what
the status of that is.


It is equally outdated, but it would probably be better to write 
"Contact" instead of "Project Lead" in the table header at 
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang.html


While still being wrong in quite a few cases, this at least doesn't 
suggest that there is an organized hierarchy in the Apache OpenOffice 
subprojects/teams.


I'm not changing this myself to avoid commit conflicts during migration.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Jean Weber  wrote:

> On 23/12/2011, at 8:52, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> See:
>
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/accepted.html
>
> > for my current changes -- not yet through buildbot
>
> > I think I should jettison the "Project Leads" column entirely, and delte
> my
> > comment on them. Many are not even participating in the ASF OO project. I
> > left the N-L contacts alone for now, since I don't know what the status
> of
> > that is.
> >
> > Please advise on this one little tidbit.
>
>
> I agree, deleting the column of "project leads" is a good idea.
>
> --Jean
>

Thanks for the feedback Jean -- will do!

-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Jean Weber]

On 23/12/2011, at 8:52, Kay Schenk  wrote:

See:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/accepted.html

> for my current changes -- not yet through buildbot

> I think I should jettison the "Project Leads" column entirely, and delte my
> comment on them. Many are not even participating in the ASF OO project. I
> left the N-L contacts alone for now, since I don't know what the status of
> that is.
> 
> Please advise on this one little tidbit.


I agree, deleting the column of "project leads" is a good idea. 

--Jean

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for
> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
>
> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for
> migration on /index.html?
>
> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site.
> Please help.
>
> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>
> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be
> ooo-utenti-il...)
>
> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a
> different migration for another discussion.
>
> (3) /about/index.html and related need review and editing to fit the
> realities of being at the ASF. Please help.
>
> (4) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html needs
> review - it is where users will go. Please help tell the AOO projects story!
>
> (5) What do we do about email archives of openoffice.org?
>
> The archives are accessed through servlets on Kenai. These will become
> 404s when we change the DNS. Are the archives available elsewhere? GMane.
> These links are all over.
>
> (6) We will be changing references to Projects and Project Leaders to
> Teams and Team Leaders (thanks Kay for the idea! it's not perfect..).
>

yeah...and as I am meddling with this right now.

See:

 http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/accepted.html

for my current changes -- not yet through buildbot

I think I should jettison the "Project Leads" column entirely, and delte my
comment on them. Many are not even participating in the ASF OO project. I
left the N-L contacts alone for now, since I don't know what the status of
that is.



Please advise on this one little tidbit.

>
> It is a question for the project about what to do with the "Team Leader"
> category and the name. There is probably consensus to eliminate "Leaders".
> I do think it is worth retaining this information until it is determined if
> the individuals mentioned contribute to the AOO(i) project. We can play
> with this after migration, but it would be good to be consistent for the
> start.
>
> (7) What else?
>
> I am expecting that @openoffice.org email aliases will not be disabled by
> migrating the OpenOffice.org site to the ASF.
>
> All other issues are minor and can wait, at least that is my opinion.
> Yours may differ!
>
> Native Language versions of the top navigation and adjustments to those
> rules can wait. There are choices, but migrating is more important!
>
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
>


-- 

MzK

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
 by the way its animals are treated."
  -- Mohandas Gandhi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 22/12/2011 Dave Fisher wrote:

Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
- Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe to 
the old lists.)
- @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
- openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.


OK, so if I get correctly from this and the other messages we will still 
be able to moderate legacy lists (actually, other volunteers do it much 
more often than I do) at http://openoffice.org/projects/it/lists/ (which 
is good) and you got some information about Extensions and Templates 
clarifying that the authentication depends on 
http://openoffice.org/something and not on a to-be-migrated subdomain, 
right?


Thanks,
  Andrea.

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do 
when it serves up ooo-site.apach.org.  Isn't that the plan?

I know that what www.openoffice.org does now.  The only speculation I *had* to 
make is that ooo-site.apache.org is going to be served up as 
www.openoffice.org, since it hasn't happened yet.

I know you are frustrated about this.  I am too.  A common set of tacit 
understandings is missing.  And getting to an explicit understandings seems to 
be beyond our reach.  Sorry.  

 - Dennis

PS: Showing me curl responses for 404s and 302s doesn't help.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 13:28
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> All I know is that 
> 
> http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to 
> the lists that are still operating.

> 
> http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404.
> 
> That's not a speculation.

Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get.

wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists


http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
  

 


  Not Found
  
  
The page you were looking for doesn't exist.
You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.
  
  « back
   | 
  home »


...



You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these urls. 
Users do not have any expectation other than a 404.

> 
> So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) to 
> http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org will redirect, 
> is that right?

KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in the 
http://openoffice.org/projects/ path. We are leaving that legacy behind.

>  And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see ooo-site.apache.org/ 
> ... paths, is that that the idea?

They will have the same IP.

> 
> OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if 
> ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ redirects to 
> openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests.  I prefer that part of it 
> also.

There is no worry because we just don't need it. I won't ask Joe to do it.

> 
> I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or meta 
> elements in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much.

For the future, meta elements should work just fine.


> 
> And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work.

Me too. A lot to TRY to convince you that there is no worry and no need.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> - Dennis 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> Now I'm even more confused.
>> 
>> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or 
>> will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, 
>> since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there?
> 
> No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level.
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it 
> gives a 404. Nothing to worry about.
> 
> The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/
> 
> Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> 
>>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
>>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
>>> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
>>> aren't we?
>> 
>> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.
>> 
>> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects 
>> them to http://www.openoffice.org/.
>> 
>> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
>> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe 
>> to the old lists.)
>> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 22/12/2011 Dave Fisher wrote:

The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
ooo-users   for user@oo.o
ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
ooo-utenti-il...)


I will take care of checking/redoing the last one. I replaced links to 
the Italian users list "utenti" on the then-live site (I mean 
it.openoffice.org linked to the Kenai SVN repository) about 24 hours ago 
and I'll port the patch to the new www.openoffice.org when it goes live. 
By the way, the correct list name is ooo-utenti-it@i.a.o as Dennis observed.


And thanks for your efforts!

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> All I know is that 
> 
> http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to 
> the lists that are still operating.

> 
> http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404.
> 
> That's not a speculation.

Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get.

wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists


http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
  

 


  Not Found
  
  
The page you were looking for doesn't exist.
You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.
  
  « back
   | 
  home »


...



You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these urls. 
Users do not have any expectation other than a 404.

> 
> So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) to 
> http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org will redirect, 
> is that right?

KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in the 
http://openoffice.org/projects/ path. We are leaving that legacy behind.

>  And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see ooo-site.apache.org/ 
> ... paths, is that that the idea?

They will have the same IP.

> 
> OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if 
> ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ redirects to 
> openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests.  I prefer that part of it 
> also.

There is no worry because we just don't need it. I won't ask Joe to do it.

> 
> I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or meta 
> elements in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much.

For the future, meta elements should work just fine.


> 
> And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work.

Me too. A lot to TRY to convince you that there is no worry and no need.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> - Dennis 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> Now I'm even more confused.
>> 
>> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or 
>> will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, 
>> since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there?
> 
> No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level.
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it 
> gives a 404. Nothing to worry about.
> 
> The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/
> 
> Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> 
>>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
>>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
>>> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
>>> aren't we?
>> 
>> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.
>> 
>> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects 
>> them to http://www.openoffice.org/.
>> 
>> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
>> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe 
>> to the old lists.)
>> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
>> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.
>> 
>> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These 
>> will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop 
>> us from migration.
>> 
>> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've 
>> asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to 
>> http://openoffice.org/projects/ and 
>> http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. would be welcome additions. CTR 
>> people!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; &#x

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

All I know is that 

http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to the 
lists that are still operating.

http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404.

That's not a speculation.

So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) to 
http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org will redirect, 
is that right?  And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see 
ooo-site.apache.org/ ... paths, is that that the idea?

OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if 
ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ redirects to 
openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests.  I prefer that part of it 
also.
 
I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or meta 
elements in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much.

And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work.

 - Dennis 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!


On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> Now I'm even more confused.
> 
> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or 
> will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, 
> since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there?

No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level.

http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it gives 
a 404. Nothing to worry about.

The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/

Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate.

Regards,
Dave



> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> 
>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
>> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
>> aren't we?
> 
> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.
> 
> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects 
> them to http://www.openoffice.org/.
> 
> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe to 
> the old lists.)
> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.
> 
> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These 
> will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop 
> us from migration.
> 
> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've 
> asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to 
> http://openoffice.org/projects/ and 
> http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. would be welcome additions. CTR 
> people!
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the 
>>> lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>>> 
>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>> 
>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>>> subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>>> archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This 
>>> is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to 
>>> post to the list via the web interface.
>>> 
>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and 
>>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on 
>>> this, including TJ for administrative functions.  
>>> 
>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of 
>>> the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>>> 
>>> - Dennis
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>>> openoffice.org now are we?
>>> 
>>> [ ... ]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Dave,

My being a committer and being competent to CTR 
http://ooo-site.apache.org/mail_list.html are two different things.  (Plus I 
don't see how that page relates to the problem I am pointing at.) 

I have not learned what it takes to contribute to ooo-site and I am not going 
to be setting aside an existing backlog of promises to learn that today.

When you talk about redirecting openoffice.org to www.openoffice.org, are you 
talking about a redirect on the domain name or a redirect of 
http://openoffice.org/index.html or whatever the default page is?

I see you have a later message and I'll respond to that now.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:34
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!


On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> Apparently so.  I just saw Dave's affirmation of that.
> 
> I've never used www.openoffice.org in accessing the site and in any 
> shortcuts/bookmarks. Had I not been paying attention to ooo-dev, I would be 
> one of those who will not notice that there is a cut-over [;<).
> 
> So I guess there needs to be something on www.openoffice.org that lets folks 
> know what can still be found on http://openoffice.org and 
> http://*.openoffice.org for *!= www.  

wave@minotaur:~$ curl  http://openoffice.org


302 Found

Found
The document has moved http://www.openoffice.org";>here.


There is nothing to say on http://openoffice.org/

There needs to be something said about the legacy project email on 
http://ooo-site.apache.org/mail_list.html 

That page should be changed to promote our current lists at i.a.o.

The plan for MLs.

That http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists has the main ML including their 
archives. For other MLs http://openoffice.org/projects/ is the starting place.



> 
> Something on the http://openoffice.org page about www.openoffice.org is 
> probably useful too.  But deep linkers will find whatever they find.
> 
> The only thing within my power in this context might be to wip up a blog post 
> as soon as cut-over happens.  Then it becomes possible to illustrate what 
> different links will do until there is more cut-over down the road.

You are a committer and can use the Apache CMS directly on 
http://ooo-site.apache.org/mail_list.html

Please CTR!

Regards,
Dave


> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:51
> To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
> aren't we?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> ________________
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the lists 
>> that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>> 
>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>> 
>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>> subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>> archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This 
>> is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to post 
>> to the list via the web interface.
>> 
>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and 
>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, 
>> including TJ for administrative functions.  
>> 
>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of 
>> the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>> openoffice.org now are we?
>> 
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> Now I'm even more confused.
> 
> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or 
> will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, 
> since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there?

No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level.

http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it gives 
a 404. Nothing to worry about.

The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/

Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate.

Regards,
Dave



> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> 
>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
>> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
>> aren't we?
> 
> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.
> 
> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects 
> them to http://www.openoffice.org/.
> 
> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe to 
> the old lists.)
> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.
> 
> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These 
> will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop 
> us from migration.
> 
> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've 
> asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to 
> http://openoffice.org/projects/ and 
> http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. would be welcome additions. CTR 
> people!
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the 
>>> lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>>> 
>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>> 
>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>>> subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>>> archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This 
>>> is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to 
>>> post to the list via the web interface.
>>> 
>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and 
>>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on 
>>> this, including TJ for administrative functions.  
>>> 
>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of 
>>> the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>>> 
>>> - Dennis
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>>> openoffice.org now are we?
>>> 
>>> [ ... ]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Joe Schaefer]

No. What I'd recommend is to put a redirect into
ooo-site so it points at the lists url on openoffice.org.
At least until there's corresponding content available
for ooo-site at which point you can remove the redirect
back to openoffice.org.




>
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:32 PM
>Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
>Now I'm even more confused.
>
>Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or 
>will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, 
>since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there?
>
>- Dennis
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
>Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>
>
>On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
>> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
>> aren't we?
>
>Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.
>
>If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects them 
>to http://www.openoffice.org/.
>
>Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
>- Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe to 
>the old lists.)
>- @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
>- openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.
>
>There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These 
>will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop 
>us from migration.
>
>I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've 
>asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to 
>http://openoffice.org/projects/ and http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. 
>would be welcome additions. CTR people!
>
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>
>>> 
>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the 
>>> lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>>> 
>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>> 
>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>>> subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>>> archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This 
>>> is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to 
>>> post to the list via the web interface.
>>> 
>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and 
>>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on 
>>> this, including TJ for administrative functions.  
>>> 
>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of 
>>> the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>>> 
>>> - Dennis
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>>> openoffice.org now are we?
>>> 
>>> [ ... ]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>
>
>
>

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> Apparently so.  I just saw Dave's affirmation of that.
> 
> I've never used www.openoffice.org in accessing the site and in any 
> shortcuts/bookmarks. Had I not been paying attention to ooo-dev, I would be 
> one of those who will not notice that there is a cut-over [;<).
> 
> So I guess there needs to be something on www.openoffice.org that lets folks 
> know what can still be found on http://openoffice.org and 
> http://*.openoffice.org for *!= www.  

wave@minotaur:~$ curl  http://openoffice.org


302 Found

Found
The document has moved http://www.openoffice.org";>here.


There is nothing to say on http://openoffice.org/

There needs to be something said about the legacy project email on 
http://ooo-site.apache.org/mail_list.html 

That page should be changed to promote our current lists at i.a.o.

The plan for MLs.

That http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists has the main ML including their 
archives. For other MLs http://openoffice.org/projects/ is the starting place.



> 
> Something on the http://openoffice.org page about www.openoffice.org is 
> probably useful too.  But deep linkers will find whatever they find.
> 
> The only thing within my power in this context might be to wip up a blog post 
> as soon as cut-over happens.  Then it becomes possible to illustrate what 
> different links will do until there is more cut-over down the road.

You are a committer and can use the Apache CMS directly on 
http://ooo-site.apache.org/mail_list.html

Please CTR!

Regards,
Dave


> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:51
> To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
> aren't we?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> ________________
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the lists 
>> that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>> 
>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>> 
>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>> subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>> archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This 
>> is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to post 
>> to the list via the web interface.
>> 
>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and 
>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, 
>> including TJ for administrative functions.  
>> 
>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of 
>> the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>> openoffice.org now are we?
>> 
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Now I'm even more confused.

Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or 
will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, 
since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there?

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!


On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
> aren't we?

Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.

If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects them 
to http://www.openoffice.org/.

Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
- Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe to 
the old lists.)
- @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
- openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.

There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These 
will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop us 
from migration.

I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've 
asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to 
http://openoffice.org/projects/ and http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. 
would be welcome additions. CTR people!

Regards,
Dave


>> 
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the lists 
>> that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>> 
>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>> 
>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>> subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>> archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This 
>> is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to post 
>> to the list via the web interface.
>> 
>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and 
>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, 
>> including TJ for administrative functions.  
>> 
>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of 
>> the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>> openoffice.org now are we?
>> 
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> 
>> 

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Apparently so.  I just saw Dave's affirmation of that.

I've never used www.openoffice.org in accessing the site and in any 
shortcuts/bookmarks. Had I not been paying attention to ooo-dev, I would be one 
of those who will not notice that there is a cut-over [;<).

So I guess there needs to be something on www.openoffice.org that lets folks 
know what can still be found on http://openoffice.org and 
http://*.openoffice.org for *!= www.  

Something on the http://openoffice.org page about www.openoffice.org is 
probably useful too.  But deep linkers will find whatever they find.

The only thing within my power in this context might be to wip up a blog post 
as soon as cut-over happens.  Then it becomes possible to illustrate what 
different links will do until there is more cut-over down the road.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:51
To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
aren't we?





>
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
>It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the lists 
>that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>
><http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>
>If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This is 
>how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to post to 
>the list via the web interface.
>
>While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and use 
>the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, 
>including TJ for administrative functions.  
>
>This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of the 
>web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>
>- Dennis
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>
>Why does one have to do with the other?
>We are not cutting over the MX record for
>openoffice.org now are we?
>
>[ ... ]
>
>
>
>

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
> is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
> aren't we?

Dennis missed our discussion of this trick.

If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects them 
to http://www.openoffice.org/.

Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues:
- Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe to 
the old lists.)
- @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off.
- openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access.

There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These 
will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop us 
from migration.

I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've 
asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to 
http://openoffice.org/projects/ and http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. 
would be welcome additions. CTR people!

Regards,
Dave


>> 
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the lists 
>> that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>> 
>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>> 
>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>> subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>> archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This 
>> is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to post 
>> to the list via the web interface.
>> 
>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and 
>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, 
>> including TJ for administrative functions.  
>> 
>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of 
>> the web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>> openoffice.org now are we?
>> 
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Joe Schaefer]

But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org"
now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing
is about.  We're doing "www.openoffice.org",
aren't we?





>
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer'  
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM
>Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
>It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the lists 
>that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 
>
><http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>
>If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
>subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the 
>archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This is 
>how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to post to 
>the list via the web interface.
>
>While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and use 
>the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, 
>including TJ for administrative functions.  
>
>This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of the 
>web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.
>
>- Dennis
>
>-Original Message-----
>From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>
>Why does one have to do with the other?
>We are not cutting over the MX record for
>openoffice.org now are we?
>
>[ ... ]
>
>
>
>

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the lists 
that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: 

<http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.

If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if already 
subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page.  Also, the archives 
are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form.  This is how one 
can read the list using a browser and there is even a way to post to the list 
via the web interface.

While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and use 
the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on this, 
including TJ for administrative functions.  

This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of the 
web site.  There is no reminder or announcement about that.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

Why does one have to do with the other?
We are not cutting over the MX record for
openoffice.org now are we?

[ ... ]

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Joe,

Well, I did my research and the project infrastructure remains available in 
Oracle's Kenai through http://openoffice.org/projects/

I think that we have passed all the technical hurdles to moving forward!

On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> Well I recommend we start with simply
> switching over www.openoffice.org,
> which can be done anytime.  Once that
> has been sorted, we can do 2-3 others
> just to ensure the rewrite rule works,
> then the rest.

A good plan. Now to move on (1), (2), (3) and (4) - our message to the 
Community as they hit the migrated OOo site and we are ready to go!

Regards,
Dave


> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> From: Dave Fisher 
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> 
>>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>>> openoffice.org now are we?
>> 
>> I was coming to the same conclusion. If TJ needs a path on 
>> http://openoffice.org/. then all is good.
>> 
>> There are some ML servlets and archives. There are some sloppy URLs in the 
>> site. I'll need to do some research this evening.
>> 
>> What timing works for you for the switchover?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Dave Fisher 
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:56 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Shouldn't there be clarification that this is effectively pulling the 
>>>>> plug on all of those lists and their OO.o-hosted archives?
>>>> 
>>>> Certainly. I have not focused on the ML switchover. Kay and Rob were 
>>>> working on it and I only have so much bandwidth.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Dennis
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 00:28
>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do 
>>>>> we care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before 
>>>>> the migration or after?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
>>>>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
>>>>>> depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the 
>>>>>> display is different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am 
>>>>>> not subscribed to.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Dennis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
>>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
>>>>>>> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
>>>>>>> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Fi

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Joe Schaefer]

Well I recommend we start with simply
switching over www.openoffice.org,
which can be done anytime.  Once that
has been sorted, we can do 2-3 others
just to ensure the rewrite rule works,
then the rest.




>
> From: Dave Fisher 
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
>
>On Dec 22, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> Why does one have to do with the other?
>> We are not cutting over the MX record for
>> openoffice.org now are we?
>
>I was coming to the same conclusion. If TJ needs a path on 
>http://openoffice.org/. then all is good.
>
>There are some ML servlets and archives. There are some sloppy URLs in the 
>site. I'll need to do some research this evening.
>
>What timing works for you for the switchover?
>
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ____
>>> From: Dave Fisher 
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Shouldn't there be clarification that this is effectively pulling the plug 
>>>> on all of those lists and their OO.o-hosted archives?
>>> 
>>> Certainly. I have not focused on the ML switchover. Kay and Rob were 
>>> working on it and I only have so much bandwidth.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Dennis
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 00:28
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>> 
>>>> Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do 
>>>> we care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before 
>>>> the migration or after?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
>>>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
>>>>> depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the 
>>>>> display is different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not 
>>>>> subscribed to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Dennis
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
>>>>>> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
>>>>>> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
>>>>>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to 
>>>>>> review.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
>>>>>> migration on /index.html?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling 
>>>>>> site. Please help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ooo-users        for user@oo.o
>>>>>> ooo-dev            for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>>>>>> ooo-announce     for announce@oo.o
>>>>>> ooo-marketing    for d...@marketing.oo.o
>>>>>> ooo-utenti        for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
>>>>>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
>>>>>> different migration for another discussion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>>>>>> See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>>>>> Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time 
>>>>> adjusting /mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that 
>>>>> you? I'll certainly help you tomorrow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For 
>>>>> now. Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>
>
>
>

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 22, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> Why does one have to do with the other?
> We are not cutting over the MX record for
> openoffice.org now are we?

I was coming to the same conclusion. If TJ needs a path on 
http://openoffice.org/. then all is good.

There are some ML servlets and archives. There are some sloppy URLs in the 
site. I'll need to do some research this evening.

What timing works for you for the switchover?

Regards,
Dave


> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> From: Dave Fisher 
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> 
>>> Shouldn't there be clarification that this is effectively pulling the plug 
>>> on all of those lists and their OO.o-hosted archives?
>> 
>> Certainly. I have not focused on the ML switchover. Kay and Rob were working 
>> on it and I only have so much bandwidth.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> - Dennis
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 00:28
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do 
>>> we care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before the 
>>> migration or after?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  
>>>> 
>>>> I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
>>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
>>>> depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the 
>>>> display is different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not 
>>>> subscribed to.
>>>> 
>>>> - Dennis
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
>>>>> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
>>>>> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
>>>>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to 
>>>>> review.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
>>>>> migration on /index.html?
>>>>> 
>>>>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
>>>>> Please help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ooo-usersfor user@oo.o
>>>>> ooo-devfor dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>>>>> ooo-announce for announce@oo.o
>>>>> ooo-marketingfor d...@marketing.oo.o
>>>>> ooo-utentifor utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
>>>>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
>>>>> different migration for another discussion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>>>>> See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>>>> Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time 
>>>> adjusting /mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that 
>>>> you? I'll certainly help you tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For 
>>>> now. Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Joe Schaefer]

Why does one have to do with the other?
We are not cutting over the MX record for
openoffice.org now are we?




>
> From: Dave Fisher 
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
>On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Shouldn't there be clarification that this is effectively pulling the plug 
>> on all of those lists and their OO.o-hosted archives?
>
>Certainly. I have not focused on the ML switchover. Kay and Rob were working 
>on it and I only have so much bandwidth.
>
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 00:28
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do we 
>> care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before the 
>> migration or after?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  
>>> 
>>> I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 
>>> 
>>> It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
>>> depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the 
>>> display is different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not 
>>> subscribed to.
>>> 
>>> - Dennis
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
>>>> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
>>>> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
>>>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to 
>>>> review.
>>>> 
>>>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
>>>> migration on /index.html?
>>>> 
>>>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
>>>> Please help.
>>>> 
>>>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>>>> 
>>>> ooo-users        for user@oo.o
>>>> ooo-dev            for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>>>> ooo-announce     for announce@oo.o
>>>> ooo-marketing    for d...@marketing.oo.o
>>>> ooo-utenti        for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
>>>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
>>>> different migration for another discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>>>> See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>>> Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?
>>> 
>>> Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time 
>>> adjusting /mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that 
>>> you? I'll certainly help you tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For 
>>> now. Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>> [ ... ]
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>
>
>
>

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> Shouldn't there be clarification that this is effectively pulling the plug on 
> all of those lists and their OO.o-hosted archives?

Certainly. I have not focused on the ML switchover. Kay and Rob were working on 
it and I only have so much bandwidth.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 00:28
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do we 
> care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before the 
> migration or after?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  
>> 
>> I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 
>> 
>> It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
>> depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the 
>> display is different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not 
>> subscribed to.
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
>>> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
>>> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
>>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
>>> 
>>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
>>> migration on /index.html?
>>> 
>>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
>>> Please help.
>>> 
>>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>>> 
>>> ooo-users   for user@oo.o
>>> ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>>> ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
>>> ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
>>> ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
>>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
>>> different migration for another discussion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>>> See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>>> Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?
>> 
>> Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time 
>> adjusting /mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that 
>> you? I'll certainly help you tomorrow.
>> 
>> This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For now. 
>> Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.
>> 
>> 
>>> (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>>>   
>>> 
>>> [ ... ]
>>> 
>> 
> 

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Shouldn't there be clarification that this is effectively pulling the plug on 
all of those lists and their OO.o-hosted archives?

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 00:28
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do we 
care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before the 
migration or after?

Regards,
Dave

On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  
> 
> I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 
> 
> It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
> depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the 
> display is different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not 
> subscribed to.
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> 
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
>> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
>> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
>> 
>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
>> migration on /index.html?
>> 
>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
>> Please help.
>> 
>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>> 
>> ooo-usersfor user@oo.o
>> ooo-dev  for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>> ooo-announce for announce@oo.o
>> ooo-marketingfor d...@marketing.oo.o
>> ooo-utenti   for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>> 
>> 
>>  It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
>> 
>> 
>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
>> different migration for another discussion.
>> 
>> 
>> There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>> See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>> Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?
> 
> Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time 
> adjusting /mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that 
> you? I'll certainly help you tomorrow.
> 
> This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For now. 
> Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.
> 
> 
>> (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>>   
>> 
>> [ ... ]
>> 
> 

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[TJ Frazier]

On 12/22/2011 03:27, Dave Fisher wrote:

Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do we 
care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before the 
migration or after?

Regards,
Dave


*I* care! As owner/moderator of a pair of the old lists, I use that page 
daily. SYMPA has problems, which I haven't bothered to complain about – 
who cares? SYMPA and Kenai are going away – but I can compensate by 
moderating from that page.


The need for that page is certainly temporary, until the old site, and 
the old lists, go away. In the meantime, I would certainly appreciate it 
if you can arrange to maintain access thereto.


/tj/


On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:


I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.

I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect.

It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go 
to<http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the display is 
different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not subscribed to.

- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!


On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:






-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

Hi Everyone,

The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for review 
before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.

(1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for migration 
on /index.html?

(2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
Please help.

The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:

ooo-users   for user@oo.o
ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
ooo-utenti-il...)


  It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)


Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a different 
migration for another discussion.


There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
See, for example,<  http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?


Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time adjusting 
/mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that you? I'll 
certainly help you tomorrow.

This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?

Regards,
Dave

PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For now. 
Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.



(I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)


[ ... ]

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Jean Weber]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 16:55, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.

FYI...
I have made a few changes on the Documentation pages and am slowly
working my way through others. During the shift to Kenai, Clayton
changed most of the links to point to the wiki, and a lot of the pages
in the Docs area are obsolete. We've kept those pages (with referrals
to the wiki) instead of deleting them, to avoid breaking incoming
links. More needs to be done to clean out other obsolete material, but
I don't think any of that work is necessary before changeover. I don't
know how many files (sxw, odt, pdf) are still around that should be
purged, but that's a later exercise I assume.

I don't think I'll have an opportunity to help with anything else,
such as your items (3) and (4), although I would like to.

--Jean

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

Exactly. It doesn't exist on Apache Infra. It's Kenai.  What do we do? Do we 
care? I don't. Who will change the site and how? Should it be before the 
migration or after?

Regards,
Dave

On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  
> 
> I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 
> 
> It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different 
> depending on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the 
> display is different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not 
> subscribed to.
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> 
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
>> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
>> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
>> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
>> 
>> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
>> migration on /index.html?
>> 
>> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
>> Please help.
>> 
>> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
>> 
>> ooo-usersfor user@oo.o
>> ooo-dev  for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
>> ooo-announce for announce@oo.o
>> ooo-marketingfor d...@marketing.oo.o
>> ooo-utenti   for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
>> ooo-utenti-il...)
>> 
>> 
>>  It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
>> 
>> 
>> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
>> different migration for another discussion.
>> 
>> 
>> There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>> See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>> Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?
> 
> Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time 
> adjusting /mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that 
> you? I'll certainly help you tomorrow.
> 
> This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For now. 
> Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.
> 
> 
>> (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>>   
>> 
>> [ ... ]
>> 
> 

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I don't see any ooo-site/trunk/content/projects/www/lists at all.  

I am at a loss to know how I might be helpful in that respect. 

It looks like dynamically-generated content when I go to 
<http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.  The display is different depending 
on whether I am logged-in or not and when I am logged-in the display is 
different for lists I am subscribed to than ones that I am not subscribed to.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 23:26
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!


On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
> 
> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
> migration on /index.html?
> 
> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
> Please help.
> 
> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
> 
> ooo-users for user@oo.o
> ooo-dev   for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> ooo-announce  for announce@oo.o
> ooo-marketing for d...@marketing.oo.o
> ooo-utentifor utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
> ooo-utenti-il...)
> 
> 
>   It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
> 
> 
> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
> different migration for another discussion.
> 
> 
>  There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>  See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>  Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?

Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time adjusting 
/mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that you? I'll 
certainly help you tomorrow.

This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?

Regards,
Dave

PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For now. 
Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.


>  (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>   
> 
> [ ... ]
> 

Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dave Fisher]

On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
> To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
> Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for 
> review before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.
> 
> (1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for 
> migration on /index.html?
> 
> (2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
> Please help.
> 
> The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:
> 
> ooo-users for user@oo.o
> ooo-dev   for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
> ooo-announce  for announce@oo.o
> ooo-marketing for d...@marketing.oo.o
> ooo-utentifor utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
> ooo-utenti-il...)
> 
> 
>   It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)
> 
> 
> Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a 
> different migration for another discussion.
> 
> 
>  There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
>  See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
>  Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?

Yes. Managing lists certainly differs, it is Apache. I spent no time adjusting 
/mail_lists.html, I am asking for someone else to JFDI. Is that you? I'll 
certainly help you tomorrow.

This touched on point (5) - Where are the archives?

Regards,
Dave

PS. This last publish was large and is taking longer than expected. For now. 
Try ooo-site.staging.apache.org/.


>  (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
>   
> 
> [ ... ]
> 

RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 22:55
To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator
Subject: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks!

Hi Everyone,

The http:ooo-site.apache.org version of www.openoffice.org is ready for review 
before migration. There are several last issues for people to review.

(1) What news stories should we have on ooo-site.apache.org ready for migration 
on /index.html?

(2) /mail_lists.html needs review and/or redirection to the podling site. 
Please help.

The email subscribes, unsubscribes and links have been updated for:

ooo-users   for user@oo.o
ooo-dev for dev@*oo.o and discuss@oo.o
ooo-announcefor announce@oo.o
ooo-marketing   for d...@marketing.oo.o
ooo-utenti  for utenti@oo.o (is this correct? it should be 
ooo-utenti-il...)


   It is ooo-utenti-it (-il is a different language/country [;<)


Other @openoffice.org addresses will continue to function. That is a different 
migration for another discussion.


  There are web pages for managing lists @ openoffice.org over the web.
  See, for example, < http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>.
  Will these go up in smoke with the cut-over or what?
  (I know that ooo-site doesn't have this page.)
  

[ ... ]