Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-02 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

On 12/2/11 8:12 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi Pedro,

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 07:09:57PM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hi Andrew and guys;

By the place where the automated build is failing I think this
was caused by the BrOffice removal:


may be not, the buildbot is failing since rev 1206967 according
to http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly



http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1207925

but instead of reverting I would prefer we take this chance
to find out how to get useful information from the build
(a log).


Sure this breaks in every platform:

dmake:  makefile.mk:  line 231:  Error: -- Missing targets or attributes in rule

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util/makefile.mk?r1=1162288r2=1207925diff_format=h#l231

by removing broffice_$i from

$(foreach,i,$(alllangiso) broffice_$i) : $$@{$(PKGFORMAT:^.)}

you are creating a target for every language (en-US the default) that
does not exist. Instead of broffice_en-US you get en-US.
You should remove the whole target.

i stumbled over the same problem and have already checked in a fix. 
There were some more place where broffice was referenced and have 
cleaned up this.


Maybe we can agree that we build at least on one platform before we 
commit changes ;-)


Juergen



Regards




Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello;

--- Ven 2/12/11, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
...
  You should remove the whole target.
 
 i stumbled over the same problem and have already checked
 in a fix. 
 There were some more place where broffice was referenced
 and have 
 cleaned up this.
 
 Maybe we can agree that we build at least on one platform
 before we commit changes ;-)
 

Yup, this is a definite consequence of my build not getting
that far (yet). We do have some patches now to complete the
build but they are not in commitable shape. I think I
will go on vacations until the gnumake4 cws is committed.

In other words: I will unsubscribe from the list and rest
for a while :).

cheers,

Pedro.



Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-02 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

On 12/2/11 4:01 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hello;

--- Ven 2/12/11, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
...

You should remove the whole target.


i stumbled over the same problem and have already checked
in a fix.
There were some more place where broffice was referenced
and have
cleaned up this.

Maybe we can agree that we build at least on one platform
before we commit changes ;-)



Yup, this is a definite consequence of my build not getting
that far (yet). We do have some patches now to complete the
build but they are not in commitable shape. I think I
will go on vacations until the gnumake4 cws is committed.

In other words: I will unsubscribe from the list and rest
for a while :).


no, i don't believe that you will really unsubscribe, you will miss all 
the fun we have here on the list ;-)


Juergen



Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-02 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

On 12/2/11 4:44 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 12/2/11 4:01 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hello;

--- Ven 2/12/11, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
...

You should remove the whole target.


i stumbled over the same problem and have already checked
in a fix.
There were some more place where broffice was referenced
and have
cleaned up this.

Maybe we can agree that we build at least on one platform
before we commit changes ;-)



Yup, this is a definite consequence of my build not getting
that far (yet). We do have some patches now to complete the
build but they are not in commitable shape. I think I
will go on vacations until the gnumake4 cws is committed.
thinking about this statement..., no i will not ask further questions i 
will forget it ;-)


Have a nice weekend Pedro

Juergen



In other words: I will unsubscribe from the list and rest
for a while :).


no, i don't believe that you will really unsubscribe, you will miss all
the fun we have here on the list ;-)

Juergen





Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni

--- Ven 2/12/11, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com ha scritto:
...
  build but they are not in commitable shape. I
 think I
  will go on vacations until the gnumake4 cws is
 committed.
 thinking about this statement..., no i will not ask further
 questions i  will forget it ;-)
 

Heh ... just to clear that.. 

I am not in a hurry .. and I can use more vacations :-P.

The OS2 port does workarounds in the exact same place.
The BSD patch is ugly(tm) and in addition to breaking
other platforms, it may cause integration issues later
on, so I'll just wait for the gnumake4 stuff to see
where we are standing instead of reinventing the
wheel.

 Have a nice weekend Pedro
 

And don't worry.. I won't miss the fun in the
archives... as certain Assange says: we're all
being watched ;-).

Pedro.


Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-01 Thread Andrew Rist

Quick update on the Apache OpenOffice nightly build.

We now have our own nightly build (yay) and you can see the results at 
[1] with the latest build at [2].
Unfortunately, as you can see at that link, after a string in successful 
builds, the build has now been broken for several days.

The log is available at [3] and the final message in the log file is:

   1 module(s):
instsetoo_native
   need(s) to be rebuilt

   Reason(s):

   ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
/home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly/build/main/instsetoo_native/util

   When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by 
running:

build --from instsetoo_native
   program finished with exit code 1
   elapsedTime=3337.166106

Any help debugging this would be appreciated.  I am assuming this is 
related to the make scripts, etc. as process for the build predated the 
dmake changes.


Current plans are:

 * begin working on Win and Mac build (infra is laready playing with
   win build)
 * add RAT code check
 * store full log set
 * store install bits (hopefully just keep latest copy)
 * add testing  (suggestions??)
 * add code analysis  (suggestions??)

For now, though, I'm just hoping to get the build working again...

Andrew




[1] http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly
[2] http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly/builds/8
[3] 
http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly/builds/8/steps/shell/logs/stdio



On 11/14/2011 6:58 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:

On 11/14/2011 5:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
It looks like we have several options, described here:   
http://ci.apache.org/


Does anyone have an opinion on which one we should use?

Although getting this to work across multiple platforms will be a big
effort, we don't need to do it all at once.   Getting a single
platform up and running would not be very difficult, for example
Buildbot with Linux. And we would benefit from even that.  For
example, this would enable non-developers to grab builds to test.  As
you've probably noticed, we've had a few people ask how they could
help with testing.  But without builds the only ones who can test are
those who can build AOOo themselves.

I'm poking around at the doc here:
http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/full.html

I've also signed up for the bui...@apache.org list.

But I could really use some help to move this forward.  So, if you are
interested in helping, let me know.

Thanks!

-Rob
I've already gotten started on this and opened a Jira issue for 
creating a Linux nightly on buildbot.
I have checked in a preliminary linux build script and I was working 
on the patch to the buildbot cfg for AOO.
I was going to initially run the build, RAT, and some code analysis.  
Later I was going to attempt to run QA tests also.
There has been discussion of working on the Mac build, and other 
options are a Windows nightly (obviously) and perhaps a Solaris build.


Andrew





Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-01 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

Hi Andrew,

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:10:15PM -0800, Andrew Rist wrote:
 Quick update on the Apache OpenOffice nightly build.
 
 We now have our own nightly build (yay) and you can see the results
 at [1] with the latest build at [2].
 Unfortunately, as you can see at that link, after a string in
 successful builds, the build has now been broken for several days.
 The log is available at [3] and the final message in the log file is:
 
1 module(s):
   instsetoo_native
need(s) to be rebuilt
 
Reason(s):
 
ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly/build/main/instsetoo_native/util
 
When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by 
 running:
 
   build --from instsetoo_native
program finished with exit code 1
elapsedTime=3337.166106
 
 Any help debugging this would be appreciated.  

the build is started with --html, this means the more verbose output is
redirected to a folder module/unxlngx6.pro/misc/logs/target.txt

In order to get the exact error, you should access 

instsetoo_native/unxlngx6.pro/misc/logs/util.txt

otherwise it is quite impossible to guess what's happening.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-01 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:57:16PM -0800, Andrew Rist wrote:
 
 
 On 12/1/2011 5:43 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
 Hi Andrew,
 
 On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:10:15PM -0800, Andrew Rist wrote:
 Quick update on the Apache OpenOffice nightly build.
 
 We now have our own nightly build (yay) and you can see the results
 at [1] with the latest build at [2].
 Unfortunately, as you can see at that link, after a string in
 successful builds, the build has now been broken for several days.
 The log is available at [3] and the final message in the log file is:
 
 1 module(s):
 instsetoo_native
 need(s) to be rebuilt
 
 Reason(s):
 
 ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
  /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly/build/main/instsetoo_native/util
 
 When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build 
  by running:
 
 build --from instsetoo_native
 program finished with exit code 1
 elapsedTime=3337.166106
 
 Any help debugging this would be appreciated.
 the build is started with --html, this means the more verbose output is
 redirected to a foldermodule/unxlngx6.pro/misc/logs/target.txt
 yes it is
 
 In order to get the exact error, you should access
 
 instsetoo_native/unxlngx6.pro/misc/logs/util.txt
 it's easy to get single files and add to build page - are there
 other specific files that would be useful?

usually, you look at that log file and it may point to another log in
a logging folder, depending on what it was building.
Let's suppose it was building rpms in the OpenOffice target for the fr 
locale, it will point to the log

instsetoo_native/unxlngx6.pro/OpenOffice/rpm/logging/fr/log_DEV300_fr.log

the structure is:

instsetoo_native/unxlngx6.pro/target/pkg-format/logging/locale/log_DEV300_locale.log

like:

nstsetoo_native/unxlngx6/OpenOffice/rpm/logging/en-US/log_DEV300_en-US.log
nstsetoo_native/unxlngx6/OpenOffice_SDK/deb/logging/en-US/log_DEV300_en-US.log
instsetoo_native/unxlngx6/OpenOffice_languagepack/installed/logging/en-US/log_DEV300_en-US.log
...


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-01 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Andrew and guys;

By the place where the automated build is failing I think this
was caused by the BrOffice removal:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1207925

but instead of reverting I would prefer we take this chance
to find out how to get useful information from the build
(a log).

cheers,

Pedro.




Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-12-01 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Pedro,

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 07:09:57PM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
 Hi Andrew and guys;
 
 By the place where the automated build is failing I think this
 was caused by the BrOffice removal:

may be not, the buildbot is failing since rev 1206967 according 
to http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly

 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1207925
 
 but instead of reverting I would prefer we take this chance
 to find out how to get useful information from the build
 (a log).

Sure this breaks in every platform:

dmake:  makefile.mk:  line 231:  Error: -- Missing targets or attributes in rule

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util/makefile.mk?r1=1162288r2=1207925diff_format=h#l231

by removing broffice_$i from 

$(foreach,i,$(alllangiso) broffice_$i) : $$@{$(PKGFORMAT:^.)}

you are creating a target for every language (en-US the default) that
does not exist. Instead of broffice_en-US you get en-US.
You should remove the whole target.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-15 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 15.11.2011 04:36, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

 Just wondering,

 Perhaps the older OOo at SUN/Oracle also had some
 setup for hudson/jenkins that we could reuse?

 No, unfortunately OOo never embraced continuous integration and all the
 other wonderful things you can build around it.

There have been both tinderbox as well as buildbot available and in
use in the OOo project.
Tinderbox did keep track of commits, did flag build-results as dirty
when there were commits after the last build started, and thus allowed
rebuilding when a cws was touched, and (some) buildbots were
autotriggered by watching the commit-mailinglist, so they as well did
built whenever the code was changed.
That the build-results have often been ignored by the corresponding
developers is a different story. But stating that there was no such
thing is, well, typical.

ciao
Christian


Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-15 Thread Mathias Bauer
As much as I liked the old build bots and used them a lot, the whole setup and 
their overall usage was far from what Hudson/Jenkins can deliver.

So I maintain my point that there is nothing we can use and starting with a new 
setup and new hardware is better. 

YMMV

Regards,
Mathias

Am 15.11.2011 um 22:12 schrieb Christian Lohmaier cl...@openoffice.org:

 Hi *,
 
 On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 15.11.2011 04:36, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
 
 Just wondering,
 
 Perhaps the older OOo at SUN/Oracle also had some
 setup for hudson/jenkins that we could reuse?
 
 No, unfortunately OOo never embraced continuous integration and all the
 other wonderful things you can build around it.
 
 There have been both tinderbox as well as buildbot available and in
 use in the OOo project.
 Tinderbox did keep track of commits, did flag build-results as dirty
 when there were commits after the last build started, and thus allowed
 rebuilding when a cws was touched, and (some) buildbots were
 autotriggered by watching the commit-mailinglist, so they as well did
 built whenever the code was changed.
 That the build-results have often been ignored by the corresponding
 developers is a different story. But stating that there was no such
 thing is, well, typical.
 
 ciao
 Christian


RE: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Gavin McDonald


 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
 Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 11:21 AM
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Is it time for a build machine?
 
 It looks like we have several options, described here:   http://ci.apache.org/
 
 Does anyone have an opinion on which one we should use?
 
 Although getting this to work across multiple platforms will be a big
 effort, we don't need to do it all at once.   Getting a single
 platform up and running would not be very difficult, for example Buildbot
 with Linux. And we would benefit from even that.  For example, this would
 enable non-developers to grab builds to test.  As you've probably noticed,
 we've had a few people ask how they could help with testing.  But without
 builds the only ones who can test are those who can build AOOo themselves.
 
 I'm poking around at the doc here:
 http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/full.html
 
 I've also signed up for the bui...@apache.org list.
 
 But I could really use some help to move this forward.  So, if you are
 interested in helping, let me know.

Note an issue has already been created.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4086

Not sure if your thinking is the same as Andrews.

Gav...

 
 Thanks!
 
 -Rob



Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
 Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 11:21 AM
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Is it time for a build machine?

 It looks like we have several options, described here:   
 http://ci.apache.org/

 Does anyone have an opinion on which one we should use?

 Although getting this to work across multiple platforms will be a big
 effort, we don't need to do it all at once.   Getting a single
 platform up and running would not be very difficult, for example Buildbot
 with Linux. And we would benefit from even that.  For example, this would
 enable non-developers to grab builds to test.  As you've probably noticed,
 we've had a few people ask how they could help with testing.  But without
 builds the only ones who can test are those who can build AOOo themselves.

 I'm poking around at the doc here:
 http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/full.html

 I've also signed up for the bui...@apache.org list.

 But I could really use some help to move this forward.  So, if you are
 interested in helping, let me know.

 Note an issue has already been created.

 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4086


OK.  One step ahead of me.  That's a good place to be ;-)

 Not sure if your thinking is the same as Andrews.


Very close, at least for the core build part.

 Gav...


 Thanks!

 -Rob




Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Have you looked at what we were doing in OOo?

If still up, you can see the releases notes and also the relevant
tools.openoffice.org project pages, as well as qa.openoffice.org

Am in wrong in believing it's good not to throw out the baby with the
bathwater….?

Louis


On 14 November 2011 20:41, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au 
 wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
 Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 11:21 AM
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Is it time for a build machine?

 It looks like we have several options, described here:   
 http://ci.apache.org/

 Does anyone have an opinion on which one we should use?

 Although getting this to work across multiple platforms will be a big
 effort, we don't need to do it all at once.   Getting a single
 platform up and running would not be very difficult, for example Buildbot
 with Linux. And we would benefit from even that.  For example, this would
 enable non-developers to grab builds to test.  As you've probably noticed,
 we've had a few people ask how they could help with testing.  But without
 builds the only ones who can test are those who can build AOOo themselves.

 I'm poking around at the doc here:
 http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/full.html

 I've also signed up for the bui...@apache.org list.

 But I could really use some help to move this forward.  So, if you are
 interested in helping, let me know.

 Note an issue has already been created.

 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4086


 OK.  One step ahead of me.  That's a good place to be ;-)

 Not sure if your thinking is the same as Andrews.


 Very close, at least for the core build part.

 Gav...


 Thanks!

 -Rob





Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Nov 15, 2011 2:18 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Have you looked at what we were doing in OOo?

Errr This is OOo, right here. I'm not sure I understand your question.

 If still up, you can see the releases notes and also the relevant
 tools.openoffice.org project pages, as well as qa.openoffice.org

 Am in wrong in believing it's good not to throw out the baby with the
 bathwater….?

All services currently hosted by Oracle will be turned off at some point.
OpenOffice.org now belongs to the Apache Software Foundation. It is our
responsibility to provide what the PPMC requests of us, wherever possible,
to keep the project running. Wherever possible this will be the same
facilities we provide for all other ASF projects. However, the PPMC is free
to request other facilities if they are required.

Ross


 Louis


 On 14 November 2011 20:41, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au
wrote:
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
  Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 11:21 AM
  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
  Subject: Is it time for a build machine?
 
  It looks like we have several options, described here:
http://ci.apache.org/
 
  Does anyone have an opinion on which one we should use?
 
  Although getting this to work across multiple platforms will be a big
  effort, we don't need to do it all at once.   Getting a single
  platform up and running would not be very difficult, for example
Buildbot
  with Linux. And we would benefit from even that.  For example, this
would
  enable non-developers to grab builds to test.  As you've probably
noticed,
  we've had a few people ask how they could help with testing.  But
without
  builds the only ones who can test are those who can build AOOo
themselves.
 
  I'm poking around at the doc here:
  http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/full.html
 
  I've also signed up for the bui...@apache.org list.
 
  But I could really use some help to move this forward.  So, if you are
  interested in helping, let me know.
 
  Note an issue has already been created.
 
  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4086
 
 
  OK.  One step ahead of me.  That's a good place to be ;-)
 
  Not sure if your thinking is the same as Andrews.
 
 
  Very close, at least for the core build part.
 
  Gav...
 
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Rob
 
 
 


Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Andrew Rist

On 11/14/2011 5:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

It looks like we have several options, described here:   http://ci.apache.org/

Does anyone have an opinion on which one we should use?

Although getting this to work across multiple platforms will be a big
effort, we don't need to do it all at once.   Getting a single
platform up and running would not be very difficult, for example
Buildbot with Linux. And we would benefit from even that.  For
example, this would enable non-developers to grab builds to test.  As
you've probably noticed, we've had a few people ask how they could
help with testing.  But without builds the only ones who can test are
those who can build AOOo themselves.

I'm poking around at the doc here:
http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/full.html

I've also signed up for the bui...@apache.org list.

But I could really use some help to move this forward.  So, if you are
interested in helping, let me know.

Thanks!

-Rob
I've already gotten started on this and opened a Jira issue for creating 
a Linux nightly on buildbot.
I have checked in a preliminary linux build script and I was working on 
the patch to the buildbot cfg for AOO.
I was going to initially run the build, RAT, and some code analysis.  
Later I was going to attempt to run QA tests also.
There has been discussion of working on the Mac build, and other options 
are a Windows nightly (obviously) and perhaps a Solaris build.


Andrew



Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Just wondering,

Perhaps the older OOo at SUN/Oracle also had some
setup for hudson/jenkins that we could reuse?

cheers,

Pedro.

--- On Mon, 11/14/11, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:

 On 11/14/2011 5:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
  It looks like we have several options, described
 here:   http://ci.apache.org/
 
  Does anyone have an opinion on which one we should
 use?
 
  Although getting this to work across multiple
 platforms will be a big
  effort, we don't need to do it all at
 once.   Getting a single
  platform up and running would not be very difficult,
 for example
  Buildbot with Linux. And we would benefit from even
 that.  For
  example, this would enable non-developers to grab
 builds to test.  As
  you've probably noticed, we've had a few people ask
 how they could
  help with testing.  But without builds the only
 ones who can test are
  those who can build AOOo themselves.
 
  I'm poking around at the doc here:
  http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/full.html
 
  I've also signed up for the bui...@apache.org
 list.
 
  But I could really use some help to move this
 forward.  So, if you are
  interested in helping, let me know.
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Rob
 I've already gotten started on this and opened a Jira issue
 for creating 
 a Linux nightly on buildbot.
 I have checked in a preliminary linux build script and I
 was working on 
 the patch to the buildbot cfg for AOO.
 I was going to initially run the build, RAT, and some code
 analysis.  
 Later I was going to attempt to run QA tests also.
 There has been discussion of working on the Mac build, and
 other options 
 are a Windows nightly (obviously) and perhaps a Solaris
 build.
 
 Andrew
 



Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Ross Gardler
On 14 November 2011 18:44, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
 Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.

 On Nov 15, 2011 2:18 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Have you looked at what we were doing in OOo?

 Errr This is OOo, right here. I'm not sure I understand your question.


Sorry, my jetlag made me miss the were in the above sentence.

Ignore my comment.

Ross


Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Ross,


On 14 November 2011 21:44, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
 All services currently hosted by Oracle will be turned off at some point.
 OpenOffice.org now belongs to the Apache Software Foundation. It is our
 responsibility to provide what the PPMC requests of us, wherever possible,
 to keep the project running. Wherever possible this will be the same
 facilities we provide for all other ASF projects. However, the PPMC is free
 to request other facilities if they are required.

I see I was not clear enough; apologies. I meant that we were
following certain rather good (as in producing good stuff) protocols
in the OpenOffice.org project related to, among other things,
releases. My point had nothing to do with equipment or technological
services provided by any megacorporation, let alone Oracle :-). It had
to do with process.

Louis


Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Ah,


On 14 November 2011 22:59, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
 Sorry, my jetlag made me miss the were in the above sentence.

 Ignore my comment.

And I was multitasking too much, while listening to dreary news
reports about those with so much more money (and so little social
consciousness) than we'll ever see.

Louis