Re: [osol-discuss] Seeing .nfs0000000000002def00000002 on nfs mounts from linux
In Unix (or even Linux:-), it's perfectly legal to delete a file while it's open. If that's the last link to the file, it will go away once the last program that has it open exits. Problem is, NFS is stateless - the NFS server isn't keeping track of what the clients are doing. So NFS can't truly handle that particular Unix behavior. The clients work around the problem by renaming the file like that and deferring the delete until nothing on the client has it open. There are only two problems with that: 1) it's not totally invisible, so people ask questions about it 2) if the client crashes while deleted files are open, those .nfs* files never get deleted. To deal with (2), many NFS servers have a cron job that hunts down files named .nfs* that haven't been accessed in more than a certain number of days, and deletes them. That isn't perfect, because if a client program was still running but went too long (say more than a week) between accesses to that file, the server would assume the file had been abandoned and would delete it. In practice, that apparently is not a problem very often. So you can either: * ignore the problem, it'll probably go away eventually * use lsof or something like it on the client to figure out what program has the files open, and kill it (only do this if those files are huge and you're running out of space) Technically you could also log into the server and delete the files there, but then the client would start getting stale NFS file handle errors or something like that, because it was expecting that file to still be there. Usually the best bet is to just ignore files like that... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
Am 22.04.2010 02:20, schrieb bsd: I merely posted a link to an article and refrained from saying anything about Oracle. Oh yes, sure. How old are you? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Seeing .nfs0000000000002def00000002 on nfs mounts from linux
Using an Osol b 133 nfs server. When working from a linux client I sometimes see files like: .nfs2def0002 .nfs2f6b0001 Appear on the filesystem as I'm working... any attempt to remove them (from the linux client) fails, with the message: (file-error Removing old name Device or resource busy /projects/reader/perl/mapping/.nfs2f6b0001) What are these? When a file is unlinked by an NFS client but the file is still open, the client actually renames the file and later removes it after the file is closed. (It is created by the client and it shoul be removed by the client; the client makes sure you don't remove it) Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
I'm getting tired, in answering these things, but, please google, and then, once found, read: http://c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6514-About-this-ODF-for-MS-Office-plugin-discussion.html In simple words: MS Office (we might not like it, but, still) has implemented ODF saving starting in Service Pack 2 to Office 2007. So, Office 2007 and 2010 ALREADY NATIVELY can export in ODF. So, why shall Oracle still provide a tool for real lazy people for free? Aka Office 2005 and older? That plugin now is a solution to a problem that's been solved officially from the original provider for years already... That's, why it's fairly easy to understand, that, IF someone still really would need that ODF Plugin from Sun/Oracle, it's a good idea to either point him to OpenOffice natively (which is free in total) or force him to rethink his lazyness, by either asking him to pay Oracle 90$ or pay MS some amount of debt/tax/call-it-what-you-like for an upgrade to MS Office 2007 or 2010. It's a fair business practice... Matthias You (bsd) wrote: http://www.osnews.com/story/23181/Oracle_Starts_Charging_90_USD_Per_User_for_ODF_Plugin Solaris 10 90-day evaluation No security patch downloads for free ODF plugin $90 (100 min) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Matthias Pfützner | Tel.: +49 700 PFUETZNER | Es gibt drei Sorten von Lichtenbergstr.73 | mailto:matth...@pfuetzner.de | Mathematikern: die, die D-64289 Darmstadt | AIM: pfuetz, ICQ: 300967487 | bis 3 zählen können, und Germany | http://www.pfuetzner.de/matthias/ | die, die das nicht können. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
bsd mascotgr...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.osnews.com/story/23181/Oracle_Starts_Charging_90_USD_Per_User_for_ODF_Plugin Solaris 10 90-day evaluation No security patch downloads for free ODF plugin $90 (100 min) This is old news from Monday http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/ODF-Plug-in-Bei-Sun-war-s-noch-gratis-980731.html Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it. +1 And BTW: does that bit pattern image in your .sig ensure that you get microwaved correctly? ;-) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with the total lack of communication skills. joke alert Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking software from them... /joke alert Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it. Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone who actually have the authority to do something about the actual problem: Lack of communications). Killing the conversation isn't the solution. //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
Svein, You (Svein Skogen) wrote: On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with the total lack of communication skills. joke alert Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking software from them... /joke alert Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it. Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone who actually have the authority to do something about the actual problem: Lack of communications). Killing the conversation isn't the solution. //Svein We all do understand your point about missing communications. That's, why I try to explain as much, as I can here, on the WHY's. Still, I don't know the WHY's, so I'm forced to also start thinking about the reasoning behind all these things. That's as much as you could also do yourself! But, it seems, you are trying to figure out, if the glass is half empty, and when it will be empty, whereas I try to explain, why the glass is half full, and when it will be full. As also asked many times, be more patient, start thinking yourself about the things you see, and do NOT overreact or misinterpret. As there are NO informations, it's all up to your own interpretation. And that can be done in many directions... This ODF stuff is simply explained (as I did!), and anyone here could have come to the same conclusions. It's not rocket sience! The main problem seems to be, that some here are EAGER to kill the Environment, by calling it dead. Someone yesterday did a very wonderful description of the situation by comparing it to Tristan and Isolde or Romeo and Juliet. You believe it to be dead, and are killing yourself instead of believing in its longevity, and living happily onward... Matthias -- Matthias Pfützner | Tel.: +49 700 PFUETZNER | Es gibt drei Sorten von Lichtenbergstr.73 | mailto:matth...@pfuetzner.de | Mathematikern: die, die D-64289 Darmstadt | AIM: pfuetz, ICQ: 300967487 | bis 3 zählen können, und Germany | http://www.pfuetzner.de/matthias/ | die, die das nicht können. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
*sigh* On 22.04.2010 12:27, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Svein, You (Svein Skogen) wrote: On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with the total lack of communication skills. joke alert Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking software from them... /joke alert Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it. Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone who actually have the authority to do something about the actual problem: Lack of communications). Killing the conversation isn't the solution. //Svein We all do understand your point about missing communications. That's, why I try to explain as much, as I can here, on the WHY's. Still, I don't know the WHY's, so I'm forced to also start thinking about the reasoning behind all these things. That's as much as you could also do yourself! But, it seems, you are trying to figure out, if the glass is half empty, and when it will be empty, whereas I try to explain, why the glass is half full, and when it will be full. As also asked many times, be more patient, start thinking yourself about the things you see, and do NOT overreact or misinterpret. As there are NO informations, it's all up to your own interpretation. And that can be done in many directions... This ODF stuff is simply explained (as I did!), and anyone here could have come to the same conclusions. It's not rocket sience! The main problem seems to be, that some here are EAGER to kill the Environment, by calling it dead. Someone yesterday did a very wonderful description of the situation by comparing it to Tristan and Isolde or Romeo and Juliet. You believe it to be dead, and are killing yourself instead of believing in its longevity, and living happily onward... That explanation would have worked. It really would. Had I not had the misfortune of dealing with Oracle some years ago. Sorry, but you're just not cynical enough, probably due to lack of exposure to Oracle. //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
Svein, On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. The quite disturbing patterns are currently only in people's brains and AlanH's .sig. Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with the total lack of communication skills. This once again comes back to the definition of OpenSolaris. In the distro connotation, it is an alternative (maybe not the best) for certain environments. But OpenSolaris (the codebase) indeed remains the best codebase that currently exists for an operating environment. Currently the only example of Oracle's pattern of changes with regards to OpenSolaris is that no alcohol is allowed at LOSUG meetings any longer. I do however agree that a statement from Oracle on the future of OpenSolaris is needed. but given the fact that it is likely to be couched in vagaries, obfuscation, legalese, and plain non-committal rhetoric, it will not provide us with any feelgood factor. joke alert Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking software from them... /joke alert Poor joke - the networking infrastructure software will still be crafted by the uber-talented Sun engineers that we know and love. Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it. Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone who actually have the authority to do something about the actual problem: Lack of communications). Won't work internally. Or at least might increase the individual's RIF-factor ;-) Head firmly below the parapet for all Sun staff at the moment (even those with an @oracle.com email address). I have been emailing LarryE regularly for some time now; and have received no response whatsoever from his Communications team. This was not the case with Jonathan Schwartz - I met him personally once, discussed LOSUG with him (when I was the Chair) for 4 minutes of his time (I felt honoured), and he consented to a video linkup to a LOSUG meeting. I had further discussions with his Communications team; but sadly the video thing never happened. It's all about (corporate) approachability - and I agree that Oracle is not reaching the mark yet. Killing the conversation isn't the solution. There was never an advocation to kill any conversation. Just to ensure that the conversation is focused to the correct topic for the venue within which it is taking place. Case in point osol-discuss is for discussions on OpenSolaris - not Solaris 10, not Solaris 9, and _definitely_ not Solaris 8 (which has happened recently). Regards... Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
You (Sean Sprague) wrote: I do however agree that a statement from Oracle on the future of OpenSolaris is needed. but given the fact that it is likely to be couched in vagaries, obfuscation, legalese, and plain non-committal rhetoric, it will not provide us with any feelgood factor. And I assume, that'll come, once the next binary distro will be ready and out... Matthias -- Matthias Pfützner | Tel.: +49 700 PFUETZNER | Es gibt drei Sorten von Lichtenbergstr.73 | mailto:matth...@pfuetzner.de | Mathematikern: die, die D-64289 Darmstadt | AIM: pfuetz, ICQ: 300967487 | bis 3 zählen können, und Germany | http://www.pfuetzner.de/matthias/ | die, die das nicht können. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
On 22.04.2010 12:51, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Sean Sprague) wrote: I do however agree that a statement from Oracle on the future of OpenSolaris is needed. but given the fact that it is likely to be couched in vagaries, obfuscation, legalese, and plain non-committal rhetoric, it will not provide us with any feelgood factor. And I assume, that'll come, once the next binary distro will be ready and out... Maybe that's what's hidden in the 2D barcode some Sun^wOracle people are using as signature? :p //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
Responses inline: Svein Skogen wrote: On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. It's possible, but it looks more like an attempt to weave a conspiracy (which is always possible no matted where you choose to look for your facts). Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with the total lack of communication skills. Killing the conversation isn't the solution. Again, the things Oracle *has* officially stated about OpenSolaris have been to the positive, and reference is being continually made to them by folks like Matthias. [joke deleted] Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it. Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone who actually have the authority to do something about the actual problem: Lack of communications). You know what I find really offensive about this statement? It's the implication that those of us who are inside Oracle (as technical people with an interest in OpenSolaris) are NOT doing this. You have no idea what Oracle employees who work with OpenSolaris are doing and saying internally and to imply otherwise is incredibly presumptive. I think it safe to say at the very least that there are a LOT of folks involved in VERY active discussions on many levels internally. There are a lot of us who have put a lot of our lives and ourselves into this project and to even imply that we are sitting on our backsides twiddling our thumbs while this all happens is certainly not helpful and hardly encouraging for us to keep the discussions going. Killing the conversation isn't the solution. I am not and was not advocating killing the conversation. However talking about the right thing in the right forums would certainly help. I know that there are folks on this forum who *are* engaging their sales representatives, and I've even seen a few writing to Larry Ellison. I also know that there is also a large number of people on this forum that all they have done is to write to this forum. This question is not directed at anyone in particular. It's directed at everyone. One of these actions is helpful. One is not. Which camp do you fall in to? Regards, Alan Hargreaves -- Alan Hargreaves | Principal Technical Support Engineer Solaris and Networking | Global Systems Support Email: alan.hargrea...@oracle.com Blog: http://alanhargreaves.wordpress.com Phone: +61-2-9844-5379 | Mobile: +61-416-207-573 Oracle Global Customer Services Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
On 22/04/2010 11:11, Svein Skogen wrote: On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. The only pattern I can see so far is that Oracle are starting to charge for some things that sufficient people are willing to pay for (which is something that Sun wasn't very good at), whilst keeping some other things available for free. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation, Ireland mailto:calum.benson at oracle.com Solaris Desktop Group http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] i am on job trials.
Friends, i am on job trials. I have learned solaris 10 and done certification part-1 and part-2. I am not able to answer the below questions as i do not have work experience on solaris. please help me with your answers. Q.1) What is the project you are presently working on? Q.2) What is your responsibilities in this project ? Q.3) R U into L2 Support? Q.4) How strong in Ticketing tools ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] i am on job trials.
None of these are technical questions. They all refer to your work experience. fpsm On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:52 AM, radhika radhika.r...@gmail.com wrote: Friends, i am on job trials. I have learned solaris 10 and done certification part-1 and part-2. I am not able to answer the below questions as i do not have work experience on solaris. please help me with your answers. Q.1) What is the project you are presently working on? Q.2) What is your responsibilities in this project ? Q.3) R U into L2 Support? Q.4) How strong in Ticketing tools ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sendmail as SASL auth client?
Hugh Back in May 2008, there was a question on desktop-discuss asking whether Hugh Solaris sendmail could be configured as an SASL auth client. The answer Hugh from John Beck was no, because [of] some issues with Solaris' libsasl Hugh implementation that are preventing this work from moving forward. Hugh So my question is whether this is fixed? No. :-( Hugh ... what, if anything, are people doing for a setup which includes: Hugh 1. a dynamic IP-based home system which wants to send email from the Hugh command line. Hugh 2. a mail server with custom domain name on a static IP-based system Hugh out on the web. Hugh ... Hugh So do any home-based Solaris users just not send command line email Hugh except to their own domain (which I may be able to live with, maybe). Hugh Or is there a way to get SMTP auth to work? For scenario #1, I would recommend STARTTLS; see http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck/entry/how_to_set_up_sendmail for some tips on getting that going. For scenario #2 (which is the one my personal domain is in), I use it in such a way that I am not relaying. See http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck/entry/what_is_relaying for details on which scenarios are and are not considered relaying. When I am mobile, I don't try to send directly from my laptop. I either send from my G-mail account (with my address masqueraded as my personal domain address), or I set up a VPN so I send from a Sun/Oracle IP address, or (least often) I log in to my home server and send directly from there. I'm not sure how scalable these solutions are to others, but they work for me and my relatively small-use personal domain. -- John Sponsor my 100-mile bike ride fund raiser for the American Lung Association http://action.lungusa.org/goto/jbeck ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/ha-cluster/ is down?
Hello, I am trying to install the package as mentioned in https://pkg.sun.com/register/cred_construct?product=4 It seems like the link is not working. pfexec pkg set-authority \ -k /var/pkg/ssl/Open_HA_Cluster_2009.06.key.pem \ -c /var/pkg/ssl/Open_HA_Cluster_2009.06.certificate.pem \ -O https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/ha-cluster/ ha-cluster pkg: The origin URIs for 'ha-cluster' do not appear to point to a valid pkg server. Please check the server's address and client's network configuration. Additional details: Unable to contact valid package server: https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/ha-cluster/ Encountered the following error(s): Transport errors encountered when trying to contact depot server. Reported the following errors: Could not retrieve versions from 'ha-cluster' URLError, reason: (128, 'Network is unreachable') -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/ha-cluster/ is down?
Never mind the network setup on my node was screwed up. Fixed it and works fine now. Thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews
Hi folks, Just wanted to let you know there's a review up of OpenSolaris over at my blog Desktop Linux Reviews. Here's the link, hope you find it interesting: OpenSolaris 2009.06 Review http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/04/22/opensolaris-2009-06/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why are prices for Solaris 10 OS support not on Oracles Web pages?
hedr...@rutgers.edu said: As for non-Sun hardware, we're being told it is still possible to get support for Soarlis 10u8 and older, but all problems will have to be duplicated on Sun hardware. It is not possible to get support for later releases. I spoke with one of our contacts from Oracle this morning, and he confirmed that this will be the case. You can get Solaris support for existing non-Oracle hardware, but not going forward. He didn't know if that will hold true for OpenSolaris support. Regards, Marion ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why are prices for Solaris 10 OS support not on Oracles Web pages?
Again, as also mentioned, you can still buy Solaris + Support via the OEM partners IBM, HP, DELL... Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Marion Hakanson hakan...@ohsu.edu An: hedr...@rutgers.edu Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Gesendet: 22.4.'10, 22:34 hedr...@rutgers.edu said: As for non-Sun hardware, we're being told it is still possible to get support for Soarlis 10u8 and older, but all problems will have to be duplicated on Sun hardware. It is not possible to get support for later releases. I spoke with one of our contacts from Oracle this morning, and he confirmed that this will be the case. You can get Solaris support for existing non-Oracle hardware, but not going forward. He didn't know if that will hold true for OpenSolaris support. Regards, Marion ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why are prices for Solaris 10 OS support not on Oracles Web pages?
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote: I think since many business are moving away from HP-UX , Solaris ,etc over to redhat linux and windows, .Oracle, once they finish intergrating SUN, will offer solaris to the low-end business on sun units to compete against IBM, redhat, microsoft directly and OpenSolaris will continue like Mr. Roberts stated it will, will end up being the equivalent to Fedora. http://www.oracle.com/us/support/systems/premier/index.html says: Operating System, Firmware and Embedded Software updates * for Oracle Solaris * for Oracle Enterprise Linux * for Oracle VM * for your Oracle hardware My read of this is that, the Premier Support for Systems appears to get you support for Solaris, Oracle Enterprise Linux, and Oracle VM. If you would have otherwise paid for high-end support for Solaris, RHEL, and ESX on a box this may be attractive if you are willing to drink all Oracle koolaid. Of course, this depends on the cost of the system you are buying and your typical discount with the various software vendors. -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 2008.11
Hi All, If I use the priocntl command to change the class of a process from 'Interactive' to 'Real time', and set its priority to 59, how does this process fare against other user and kernel processes in the system. Thank you Vish ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why are prices for Solaris 10 OS support not on Oracles Web pages?
I'm confused. I tried to find this posting at opensolaris.org, but it doesn't seem to be there. I understand that Oracle needs to make money from Sun, but I think changing Solaris from an OS that will run on many vendors' hardware to one that is the equivalent of HP-UX changes the game. People already spoke of Solaris is irrelevant. I think they're wrong, but this change is enough that I doubt there will be many advocates left. On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Marion Hakanson wrote: hedr...@rutgers.edu said: As for non-Sun hardware, we're being told it is still possible to get support for Soarlis 10u8 and older, but all problems will have to be duplicated on Sun hardware. It is not possible to get support for later releases. I spoke with one of our contacts from Oracle this morning, and he confirmed that this will be the case. You can get Solaris support for existing non-Oracle hardware, but not going forward. He didn't know if that will hold true for OpenSolaris support. Regards, Marion smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why are prices for Solaris 10 OS support not on Oracles Web pages?
On 04/23/10 08:46 AM, Charles Hedrick wrote: stuff about Solaris Why do you persisting in discussing commercial Solaris issues on a non-commercial, non-Solaris list? Please whinge somewhere else, preferably where readers know the answers. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] i am on job trials.
Too funny On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM, radhika radhika.r...@gmail.com wrote: Friends, i am on job trials. I have learned solaris 10 and done certification part-1 and part-2. I am not able to answer the below questions as i do not have work experience on solaris. please help me with your answers. Q.1) What is the project you are presently working on? I'm working on slacking Q.2) What is your responsibilities in this project ? I do a lot of scratching Q.3) R U into L2 Support? Would that be for the OSI or TCP model Q.4) How strong in Ticketing tools ? Not very good. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews
Quoted from your article: OpenSolaris is derived from the Unix System V Release 4 codebase, with significant modifications made by Sun since it bought the rights to that code in 1994. I wasn't aware that Sun bought the rights to SVR4, released in 1990, because it was a joint project between USL and Sun. ATT and Sun terminated their relationship after the release of SVR4. Also, Sun combined SVR3, 4.3BSD, Xenix, and SunOS to develop SVR4. Sun didn't make significant modifications after their split with ATT. Modifications to SVR4 are now in OpenSolaris. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Seeing .nfs0000000000002def00000002 on nfs mounts from linux
Haaa lots of nice input there... thanks folks ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why are prices for Solaris 10 OS support not on Oracles Web pages?
hedr...@rutgers.edu said: I'm confused. I tried to find this posting at opensolaris.org, but it doesn't seem to be there. I'm on the email list, sent this posting out via email. It probably had not trickled through all the layers back to the forum. I understand that Oracle needs to make money from Sun, but I think changing Solaris from an OS that will run on many vendors' hardware to one that is the equivalent of HP-UX changes the game. People already spoke of Solaris is irrelevant. I think they're wrong, but this change is enough that I doubt there will be many advocates left. I agree completely. Their only hope of keeping our research/education business is by being competitive on price. I have told our sales people that 90% of our Sun equipment purchases in the past 4-5 years have been from either their Education Essentials price list, or the similar Matching Grant program. That plus the fact that there's no SunSolve-only support option (so far) are just more nails in the coffin. Seems short-sighted to me, because our low-end hardware research customers don't stay just at the low end. Sometimes they go out and buy a $30,000 X4600 server with a metal-level support contract. Or maybe a petabyte of storage for that gene sequencer or high-resolution MRI that just came online. Oh, and to make this OpenSolaris-relevant: I heard back from one of our Oracle Sales contacts that indeed OpenSolaris is in the same boat: it will not be possible to buy the Premium Support for Operating Systems for OpenSolaris running on non-Oracle/Sun hardware. Regards, Marion ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 2008.11
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Vishal Ahuja vahu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, If I use the priocntl command to change the class of a process from 'Interactive' to 'Real time', and set its priority to 59, how does this process fare against other user and kernel processes in the system. RT threads have priority over all others including SYS threads. My understanding of RT threads is that they don't have user priorities, but I don't have much experience with them. r...@lab-01:/root# ps ax | grep 4970 4970 pts/1S 0:00 top 5052 pts/2S 0:00 grep 4970 r...@lab-01:/root# priocntl -s -c RT 4970 r...@lab-01:/root# renice -10 4970 renice: 4970:getpriority: Invalid argument r...@lab-01:/root# priocntl -s -c TS 4970 r...@lab-01:/root# renice -10 4970 -- Giovanni ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews
On 04/22/2010 06:32 PM, bsd wrote: Quoted from your article: OpenSolaris is derived from the Unix System V Release 4 codebase, with significant modifications made by Sun since it bought the rights to that code in 1994. I wasn't aware that Sun bought the rights to SVR4, released in 1990, because it was a joint project between USL and Sun. ATT and Sun terminated their relationship after the release of SVR4. Also, Sun combined SVR3, 4.3BSD, Xenix, and SunOS to develop SVR4. Sun didn't make significant modifications after their split with ATT. Modifications to SVR4 are now in OpenSolaris. Actually, he is correct. Sun bought a perpetual license to SVR4 (the wording may be slightly incorrect). In the creation of Solaris 2.0, Sun also make significant modifications, making the kernel fully preemptable. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews
The way he states it in his article is that Sun made significant changes after buying SVR4, which is incorrect, because changes to SVR4 were made after Solaris was open sourced. Significant changes were made when SVR4 was developed, not after. Solaris 2.0 was developed from SVR4. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews
I would say at the very least, the slab allocator, dtrace, zfs, smf, are all things that would count as a 'significant' change, all of which were I believe after SVR4, but prior to Opensolaris. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:20 PM, bsd mascotgr...@yahoo.com wrote: The way he states it in his article is that Sun made significant changes after buying SVR4, which is incorrect, because changes to SVR4 were made after Solaris was open sourced. Significant changes were made when SVR4 was developed, not after. Solaris 2.0 was developed from SVR4. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
On 22/04/2010 11:11, Svein Skogen wrote: On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. The only pattern I can see so far is that Oracle are starting to charge for some things that sufficient people are willing to pay for (which is something that Sun wasn't very good at), whilst keeping some other things available for free. Cheeri, Calum. Surely sufficient people exist that would pay for low-end support (sunsolve+patches only, or sunsolve+access to a repo with bug fixes, for OpenSolaris) that otherwise might simply do without, or go elsewhere. Staying profitable is important. But just because big customers can afford to drop big bucks, doesn't mean that small customers (home users, home businesses, students, etc) might not also be willing to spend what they reasonably can for a relatively modest (little direct consumption of man-hours) level of support. I just don't see the profit in not taking the little guys' money too; surely it adds up... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sendmail as SASL auth client?
Just an FYI: Comcast seems to have changed their authentication requirements today, which broke some stuff. My sendmail is running on Solaris 9, but with my own build of sendmail (don't even ask how I did that, I've long since forgotten), since I needed features that the old version supplied with the OS didn't support. I used to have a line in my authinfo db like AuthInfo:smtp.comcast.net:587 U:smmsp I:_my_acct_ P:_my_passwd_ M:CRAM-MD5 but to get it working again, I had to remove the M:CRAM-MD5 and run makemap. I'm guessing that leaves sendmail free to choose the appropriate method, and that once again Comcast changed something without telling people first. Anyway, one can get this sort of thing working on pretty much any system, but sometimes it gets rather arcane... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews
bsd wrote: The way he states it in his article is that Sun made significant changes after buying SVR4, which is incorrect, because changes to SVR4 were made after Solaris was open sourced. Significant changes were made when SVR4 was developed, not after. Solaris 2.0 was developed from SVR4. Significant changes were certainly made in the 15 years between the development of SVR4/release of Solaris 2.0 and the open sourcing of Solaris after Solaris 10 - I don't know why you'd think Sun took 15 years off and why the version would have gone from Solaris 2.0 to 10 with no significant change. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Richard L. Hamilton rlha...@smart.net wrote: On 22/04/2010 11:11, Svein Skogen wrote: On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would be to sow FUD or dissention. Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern. The only pattern I can see so far is that Oracle are starting to charge for some things that sufficient people are willing to pay for (which is something that Sun wasn't very good at), whilst keeping some other things available for free. Cheeri, Calum. Surely sufficient people exist that would pay for low-end support (sunsolve+patches only, or sunsolve+access to a repo with bug fixes, for OpenSolaris) that otherwise might simply do without, or go elsewhere. Staying profitable is important. But just because big customers can afford to drop big bucks, doesn't mean that small customers (home users, home businesses, students, etc) might not also be willing to spend what they reasonably can for a relatively modest (little direct consumption of man-hours) level of support. I just don't see the profit in not taking the little guys' money too; surely it adds up... Agreed! Ignoring medium sized to small customers had already been Sun's mistake. Wasn't Oracle going to fix Sun's errors? How? By repeating the old errors, but this time with 20times increased intensity?!? Examples: * behaviour and action (or lack of action) down to the community * lack of symmetric communication * only picking the Fortune500's as single isolated targetted market? The latter broke Sun its neck, when exactly that single market imploded over night, during the recession Ok Oracle, of course you still have 5 years until the next downturn comes... ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews
I didn't say there weren't significant changes since 2.0 and the release of SVR4, but the article implies that significant changes occurred to Solaris after 1994 when he says Sun bought the SVR4 codebase. That is not an accurate statement, given the timeline of Solaris development and releases, and especially since Solaris 2.0 came out with SVR4. Solaris 2.0 came out before 1994. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] i am on job trials.
Friends, i am on job trials. I have learned solaris 10 and done certification part-1 and part-2. I am not able to answer the below questions as i do not have work experience on solaris. please help me with your answers. Q.1) What is the project you are presently working on? Q.2) What is your responsibilities in this project ? Q.3) R U into L2 Support? Q.4) How strong in Ticketing tools ? Hi Rhadika7, If I were in your position, I would answer the questions somewhat like what I have written below (note: answering the question in this way will almost guarantee you a good job at a prominent outsourcing company like IBM, Microsoft or HP- trust me, honesty, sincerity and integrity pays off the most in the long run with these kind of outsourcing companies): Q.1) What is the project you are presently working on? Answer: Dear sir im currently working on the project of getting the heck out of Bangladesh ASAP. I hope to accomplish this by quickly doing the needful and get a H-1B visa to get unix or cisco or dba or mcse or mainframe job somewhere in the Americas. R U into giving H-1B visa's? If so can U PLS kindly help me with this project and show me where I can collect it easily. I need this job badly...PLZ HELP!!! Q.2) What is your responsibilities in this project? My responsibilities involved saving up money for the one way trip out of Bangladesh by kindly doing the needful and asking Microsoft and Dell to PLZ give me a job in their phone tech support division. Q.3) R U into L2 Support? Yes. I did much L2 while working phone tech support for Microsoft. Microsoft also allowed me to install Veemware virtualization software on my workstation and I installed the Solaris 10 inside veemware and learned many good things about him. Q.4) How strong in Ticketing tools ? I am new to this field but i heard that doing system administration and programming is a good thing to make money, in some places more than 7 rupees a month. One time while I was working for Microsoft and IBM, there was a trouble ticket which stated that the Asterisk VOIP server in Rangpur crashed and that all of our clients were jumping up and down. I kindly did the needful and rebooted it and was awarded tech support person of the month by none other than Steve Ballmer himself for this heroic deed. If any one who are at your company would like to discuss on this pls drop your mail id. I would like to get out of Bangladesh before the next monsoon season starts and I am eagarly awaiting your kind reply. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
