[opensuse-factory] [Alpha4 installation] SSH port is blocked - and I can't open it and other remarks

2007-05-17 Thread James PEARSON
Hello all

#
# Problem # 1
#
When I install openSUSE-10.3-Alpha4 I can't open the SSH port

Problem details

In the Network configuration window under the section Firewall, the default 
is * SSH
port is blocked (open)

Despite clicking on (open) multiple times I couldn't get it to open

Also I opened up the Firewall Configuration: Start-Up window and selected 
Allowed
Services and tried. No change. I tried removing SSH which was already present 
and re
adding it. The SSH port is blocked (open) was still the active choice.


#
# Problem # 2
#

Adding extra applications to the default application pattern is next to 
impossible (this
is already been noted in the email Alpha4 dependencies validation.

I managed to a smart but if I didn't have the patiences to add anything else 
because it
takes too long - I did manage to add one other application and there was a
second wait when the Evaluating package selection just kept turning away 
way too long
for my patience..

I finally gave up and re started the installation process (where I just added 
smart)
because I figured it was faster.


##
# My wish list
##
Add smart to the default application pattern. 

Regards
James

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Re: [opensuse] Microsoft claims software like Linux violates its patents - May 28, 2007

2007-05-17 Thread Mohammad Bhuyan

On 5/17/07, James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Even if hypothetically there are patent infringements in the Linux kernel,
then the open source community would do the right thing and remove the
offending code and, because open source development moves so rapidly, that
means Linux would no longer be infringing before it even got to court. So
even if Microsoft did have a case, by the time it got to court the case
would be gone and whatever damages that they were able to ask for would be
very minimal.


Sorry!! It can't be done until MS says what specific parts of the
kernel is violating it. And given the stupid nature of patenting
system (I had some real taste of it) if MS is been clever to patent
something like Interrupt Service Routine concept with a clever
writeup such as Reverse Feedback  Hardware Interaction Method, then
yes we do need to pay money to MS for all the interrupt service
routines we wrote.

One of my early carrier experience, when startups would try to build
IP portfolio to so that the company could be sold for good money, I
remember writing patent application for codes that was simply
client/server under the text Intelligent Server Agent. ( I have
changed. I do no more evil :P )

So its clever MS playing tricks by the books where the equal amount of
criticism should go towards the Patent System.


Regards,

Mohammad
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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Benji Weber

On 5/17/07, M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 16 May 2007 20:52, James Knott wrote:
 Top shows parse-metadata is hogging much of the CPU and
 there's also a lot of disk activity. Is there any way to reduce the
 impact of this or even get rid of it?

Yast - System - System Services (runlevel) - disable NOVELL zen


next uninstall:

libzypp-zmd-backend
zen-updater
ruby-zypp
rug
zmd
mono-core
mono-core-32bit
mono-data
mono-web
log4net
dbus-mono
glib-sharp2
gtk-sharp2


Whoa there, most of those have nothing todo with the package
management and will break lots of other things. The only ones you need
to remove are


libzypp-zmd-backend
zen-updater
rug
zmd


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[opensuse] ping problem

2007-05-17 Thread chika
i do much experiment with my openSUSE box today

i edited some run level through yast, n restart my box
i hoped it works well

then 
my remote user complain that he cant login remotely
he said that he cant ping to my box strange
i can ping his computer n other computers ...even i can remote them
also i can access the samba file servers

what's up, here?


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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread M Harris
On Thursday 17 May 2007 01:32, Benji Weber wrote:
  ruby-zypp
  mono-core
  mono-core-32bit
  mono-data
  mono-web
  log4net
  dbus-mono
  glib-sharp2
  gtk-sharp2

 Whoa there, most of those have nothing todo with the package
 management and will break lots of other things.
Which ones break what?

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Ciro Iriarte


And for the last few years, just to make sure my backups are going to be
recoverable, I have a quite decent[2] backup system:

1, use tar to create an archive;
2, split the archive into 100MB pieces;
3, use par2 to create parity files for recovery in case of a media
failure, using a 1MB block-size and 535 recover blocks;
4, burn about 3.5GB of data, plus the 530MB of par2 files to DVD;
5, make a duplicate of the DVD.

Results are that if there is a failure of the disc, I can use dd to
salvage the readable files, recreate the broken ones and burn a fresh
couple of copies. The only time this would fail is if both copies of the
DVD, or more than 530MB of data on both discs, were unreadable.


[0] Unknown because they're full-face printable, so no branding, and I
no longer have the label for the 50-disc cakes.

[1] From the time-stamps on the files.

Regards,
David Bolt


RAR also provides a options to Create recovery volumes

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[opensuse] Problem Burning DVDs with SATA writer

2007-05-17 Thread Ciro Iriarte

Hi, i have a PHILLIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820 writer on my laptop and trying
to burn data to 4.4GB TDK medium i get:

May 17 01:31:15 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:31:15 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x2a data 32768 out
May 17 01:31:15 roamer kernel:  res
40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
May 17 01:31:22 roamer kernel: ata2: port is slow to respond, please
be patient (Status 0xd0)
May 17 01:31:45 roamer kernel: ata2: port failed to respond (30 secs,
Status 0xd0)
May 17 01:31:45 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:31:46 roamer kernel: ata2.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error,
err_mask=0x1)
May 17 01:31:46 roamer kernel: ata2.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
May 17 01:31:46 roamer kernel: ata2: failed to recover some devices,
retrying in 5 secs
May 17 01:31:51 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:31:51 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
May 17 01:31:51 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete

That happened at the end of the process, using K3B. Result: Failed.

Next i tried with a new disc but tried with the Simulate option and
get a lot more:

May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/00:00:00:00:20/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x1e data 0 in
May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel:  res
50/00:01:00:00:20/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x2 (HSM violation)
May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:37:57 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
May 17 01:37:57 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
May 17 01:38:46 roamer kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any
tracks I recognize!
May 17 01:38:51 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:38:51 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
May 17 01:38:51 roamer kernel:  res
40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
May 17 01:38:53 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:38:53 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
May 17 01:38:53 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
May 17 01:38:58 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:38:58 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
May 17 01:38:58 roamer kernel:  res
40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
May 17 01:39:00 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:39:00 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
May 17 01:39:00 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to UDMA/25
May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel:  res
40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
May 17 01:39:07 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:39:07 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/25
May 17 01:39:07 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to UDMA/16
May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel:  res
40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
May 17 01:39:15 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:39:15 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/16
May 17 01:39:15 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to PIO4
May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel:  res
40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
May 17 01:39:22 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:39:22 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for PIO4
May 17 01:39:22 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to PIO3
May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
a0/00:00:00:00:20/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel:  res
40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
May 17 01:39:29 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
May 17 01:39:29 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for PIO3
May 17 01:39:29 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
May 17 01:39:34 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to PIO2
May 17 01:39:34 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 

Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread M Harris
On Thursday 17 May 2007 02:12, M Harris wrote:
   ruby-zypp
   mono-core
   mono-core-32bit
   mono-data
   mono-web
   log4net
   dbus-mono
   glib-sharp2
   gtk-sharp2
 
  Whoa there, most of those have nothing todo with the package
  management and will break lots of other things.

 Which ones break what?
Some, uh, interoperability type stuff... I don't know, like C# stuff, 
or .NET 
stuff, or...   other M$ patented stuff

... but I could be wrong.



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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 03:08 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:

 
 RAR also provides a options to Create recovery volumes

But rar is propietary, and when I tried years ago, it had problems saving 
all the unix type attributes.

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[opensuse] Re: Bonding two network cards

2007-05-17 Thread Jan Kalcic
Jan Kalcic wrote:
 Hi People,

 I configured bonding (mode=1 - active-backup) and it seems to work
 properly but there's on thing which maybe I'm missing. Two network cards
 are used, as far as I understood one is the master (eth0) and the other
 one (eth1) is the slave. Testing the job I found that when eth0 goes
 down the bond0 interface still replies to the IP requests whereas if the
 eth1 goes down the bond0 doesn't work anymore though the it's up and
 running.

 I also tried using the mode=3 (broadcast) which seems to be the other
 choice for multiple switch topology network but I have the same problem.
 What I simply need is a fault tolerance only configuration where one
 network card is connected to one switch and the other one to another switch.

 Any advice?

 Cheers,
 Jan

   
No advice about it? I tried several configuration but nothing has
changed so far. Actually I did some simple changes but eventually it
doesn't work correctly yet. The slave interfaces are eth0 and eth2 (eth1
si used for another purpose). The problem is now that when eth0 is
switched off, the bond0 interface doesn't reply. What hell of bonding is
this???

The configuration:

# ifconfig
bond0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:22:A8:08
  inet addr:192.168.1.91  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fe22:a808/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MASTER MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:1438 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:888 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:1802044 (1.7 Mb)  TX bytes:71235 (69.5 Kb)

bond0:0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:22:A8:08
  inet addr:192.168.1.93  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MASTER MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:22:A8:08
  inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fe22:a808/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING SLAVE MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:1408 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:881 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:1800180 (1.7 Mb)  TX bytes:70809 (69.1 Kb)
  Interrupt:185 Base address:0x1400

eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:22:A8:12
  inet addr:10.200.200.91  Bcast:10.200.200.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fe22:a812/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:282 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:288 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:80300 (78.4 Kb)  TX bytes:89415 (87.3 Kb)
  Interrupt:177 Base address:0x1480

eth2  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:22:A8:08
  inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fe22:a808/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING NOARP SLAVE MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:30 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:7 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:1864 (1.8 Kb)  TX bytes:426 (426.0 b)
  Interrupt:193 Base address:0x1800

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:820 (820.0 b)  TX bytes:820 (820.0 b)

# cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0
Ethernet Channel Bonding Driver: v3.0.1 (January 9, 2006)

Bonding Mode: fault-tolerance (active-backup)
Primary Slave: None
Currently Active Slave: eth0
MII Status: up
MII Polling Interval (ms): 100
Up Delay (ms): 0
Down Delay (ms): 0

Slave Interface: eth0
MII Status: up
Link Failure Count: 0
Permanent HW addr: 00:0c:29:22:a8:08

Slave Interface: eth2
MII Status: up
Link Failure Count: 0
Permanent HW addr: 00:0c:29:22:a8:1c

# cat /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-bond0
BOOTPROTO='static'
BROADCAST='192.168.1.255'
ETHTOOL_OPTIONS=''
IPADDR='192.168.1.91'
MTU=''
NAME='AMD PCnet - Fast 79C971'
NETMASK='255.255.255.0'
NETWORK='192.168.1.0'
REMOTE_IPADDR=''
STARTMODE='onboot'
UNIQUE='rBUF.weGuQ9ywYPF'
USERCONTROL='no'
#_nm_name='bus-pci-:00:11.0'
PREFIXLEN=''
BONDING_MASTER='yes'
BONDING_MODULE_OPTS='miimon=100 mode=1'
BONDING_SLAVE0='eth0'
BONDING_SLAVE1='eth2'

# cat /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-eth-id-00\:0c\:29\:22\:a8\:08
BOOTPROTO='none'
BROADCAST=''
ETHTOOL_OPTIONS=''
IPADDR=''
MTU=''
NAME='AMD PCnet - Fast 79C971'
NETMASK=''
NETWORK=''
REMOTE_IPADDR=''
STARTMODE='onboot'
UNIQUE='rBUF.weGuQ9ywYPF'
USERCONTROL='no'
_nm_name='bus-pci-:00:11.0'
PREFIXLEN=''

# cat /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-eth-id-00\:0c\:29\:22\:a8\:1c

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Tuesday 2007-05-15 at 17:26 +0200, Matthias Hopf wrote:

  It would be interesting to know which video driver each of the kernel
  developers use when they themselves do not permit the distribution of
  the video drivers..?
 
 There are enough free video drivers available, if you don't need 3D.
 Kernel developers typically don't need 3D, and even for that some open
 source drivers exist (radeon (Ugh!), intel).
 No, they are typically not fast enough for recent games. Kernel
 developers typically don't care, because they don't play these games
 - I can't blame them, it's about interests and priorities.
 
 Note that quite some kernel developers don't even use X, just
 framebuffer consoles.

And probably they code using a teleprinter - uh, no, I'm off by a few 
ages, now they will use something more modern, like... mmm vi :-p

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Re: [opensuse] Default File Manager

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Tuesday 2007-05-15 at 22:18 -0400, Michael Smith wrote:

 I can't seem to find how to change my default file manager to konqueror
 from nautilus in gnome.  Everything I try in my gnome configuration
 files kills my ability to login.

The filemanager in gnome is responsible for somethings like painting the 
desktop icons. No nautilus, empty desktop. I did use another one some 
versions back, but konqueror, never. However, you can easily fire up 
konqueror inside gnome, I do often.

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Re: [opensuse] SMTP (Port 25 and Black List)

2007-05-17 Thread os

Quoting Sandy Drobic [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am using SprintPCS as my ISP. I have my own email server. I would like
to send my email through my own smtp server. Sprint has Port 25
restricted so i will have to use their smtp server.

I was for a while sending email directly with Sendmail/SMTP from my
linix machine then sprint caught on and submited all their residentail
IP address range to the Black list so no user can send mail directly as
it gets stoped by the firewall/Server who checks against the list.


For a general mailserver you need to be able to send Mails directly or at
least to the relayserver of your choice. Also a static ip address and
matching dns mx record and reverse dns record is almost neccessary.

The spam level from residential ip ranges has reached levels that is it
not just best practise to block mails from these ips, it is slowly
approaching the limit of something must happen


I then opened up a gmail account so I can forward my mail through Gmail



Yes I have my server hosted on a different ISP. It has multiple host =20
on it so changing the port is not an option. my Isp has blocked use of =20
googles submisson port to force everyone to either use webmail or pay =20
a fee to use their smtp server. Static IP is not an Option. I was =20
thinking about port forwarding through a ssh connection directly to my =20
server.


thanks for your input..

Donald









they shut down that port as gmail doesnt use port 25. So now I am forced
to submit all smtp traffic through sprint I get charged $0.25 for every
email I send. I signed a two year contract with sprint for this mobile
broadband card and i cant upgrade so i can get unlimited usage. I am
working on tunneling my traffic through SSH directly to my server does
any one have a better Idea.


What options are available and reasonable depend a lot on what you are
using this server for. Is it just your personal server and you have it
because you like to fiddle with server installations or is it a server for
mor than one person?

If it is just your server:

Then you should be able to use the submission port (587) to relay mails
through Google. For that you have to enable smtp auth for the client part
of postfix.

If it is a general server for mor than one person:

In that case you can't use a gmail account. Options are:
- use a relayserver that is offering ports other than 25, for example the
submission port
- consider upgrading your account with a static ip and the option to send
mails directly
- change provider or use a separate isp for your server


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Re: [opensuse] Dell Inspiron 6400 + OpenSUSE 10.2 experience?

2007-05-17 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 17:32 +0200, Matthias Titeux wrote:
 Le Mercredi 16 Mai 2007 06:03, Mohammad Bhuyan a écrit :
  Anybody with Dell Inspiron 6400 + OpenSUSE 10.2 experience.
 
  My default installation is causing lots of trouble. Frequent boot time
  hang (Primarily at activating device mapper ...)
  and high frequency FireFox crashes (that's where I spend most of my
  time, so really high frequency, definitely not usual for a stable
  release).  Mostly FireFox stops responding and I need to kill it.
 
  Any comment?
 
  (Dell Inspiron 6400 - - Intel 2x1.66Ghz + Intel 945GM Display)
 
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 Hi,
 I do have a Dell Inspiron 6400 (core 2 duo 1.83 Ghz, Nvidia 7300 Go) which
 works normally. No boot hangs. Stable.
 However, since the last kernel update,  I do have problem with the wireless
 card.
 Until the last kernel update (2.6.18.0.3 i
 believe) the card was properly detected and knetwork manager prompt me at
 every boot up for the wap key of my wireless network (which is handle through
 kwallet). Oddly, after the kernel update, the card is not recognize onto YaST
 - network - network adpater. And the wireless card is not active. If I
 manualy load the driver (modprobe ipw3945) and restart the network (rcnetwork
 retstart), it is then detected (but does not appear in the available adapter
 list under YaST), knetwork manager starts and network is available.


the ipw3945 driver is a mess imho. Lockup at boot if killswitch is on,
sometimes it starts-up fine after hibernate other times I have to reload
the driver and network to get it to connect - I have tried compiling the
latest version - but still issues.
When it works it also drops the wireless link and reconnects if I push
it to hard - like watching an AVI etc.
(this is on m Lat D820)




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Re: [opensuse] Re: Mico$oft Wants Royalties

2007-05-17 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
 On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
  On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
   And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
 
  If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let
 
 While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil empire 
 I 
 should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. 
 #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux.
 #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :)
 #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what. 
 
 JIM
 

Where do you buy your hardware from?
Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some
MS tax. 





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Re: [opensuse] SMTP (Port 25 and Black List)

2007-05-17 Thread Sandy Drobic
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 Yes I have my server hosted on a different ISP. It has multiple host =20
 on it so changing the port is not an option. my Isp has blocked use of =20
 googles submisson port to force everyone to either use webmail or pay =20
 a fee to use their smtp server. Static IP is not an Option. I was =20
 thinking about port forwarding through a ssh connection directly to my =20
 server.

Apparently we misunderstood each other magnificently. How many hosts (or
better said domains) the server is hosting does not matter.

So your problem is, that you have a server which you want to use to send
mails. The server is already running and has a static ip. The only trouble
is that you can't connect to that server on port 25, because Sprint is
firewalling outgoing port 25.

In that case the solution is definitely to use Port 587 (submission) to
connect to your server. You only need to tell your server to open port 587
and only allow mail submission through that port, if the user authenticates.

With Postfix the following lines in master.cf would take care of that:

submission  inetn   -   n   -   -   smtpd
  -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
  -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject

This would force users to authenticate. Then you only have to change the
setting in your mailclient to connect to port 587. If you want to be
thorough, you could add TLS to the mandantory options.

I assume that you already have sasl set up to authenticate when you submit
mails to your server.

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread James Knott
Druid wrote:
 SUSEhelp To remove zmd and friends, type the following in a root
 console: rczmd stop; rpm -e libzypp-zmd-backend zmd zen-updater rug


What are the implications of removing zmd?


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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread James Knott
M Harris wrote:
 On Wednesday 16 May 2007 20:52, James Knott wrote:
   
 Top shows parse-metadata is hogging much of the CPU and
 there's also a lot of disk activity.  Is there any way to reduce the
 impact of this or even get rid of it?
 

 Yast - System - System Services (runlevel) - disable NOVELL zen

   

What would disabling zen affect?


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Re: [opensuse] Re: Mico$oft Wants Royalties

2007-05-17 Thread James Knott
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
   
 On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
 
 On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
   
 And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
 
 If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let
   
 While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil empire 
 I 
 should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. 
 #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux.
 #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :)
 #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what. 

 JIM

 

 Where do you buy your hardware from?
 Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some
 MS tax. 

   

Such as???  There is a computer vendor, located near me, that sells
laptops loaded with Linux or no OS for less than they charge for the
same computer with Windows.  What MS tax would you be paying on a mother
board?  Computer case?

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Bonding two network cards

2007-05-17 Thread Jan Kalcic
Michael Kershaw wrote:
 Jan,

 In your ifcfg-bond0, instead of listing the interface as the
 bonding_slave's, have you tried to tell it the pci info instead like
 so:


 BONDING_SLAVE0='bus-pci-:04:02.0'
 BONDING_SLAVE1='bus-pci-:04:02.1'

 Here's my complete ifcfg-bond0:

 BOOTPROTO='static'
 BROADCAST='192.168.148.31'
 IPADDR='192.168.148.30'
 MTU='1500'
 NETMASK='255.255.255.224'
 NETWORK='192.168.148.0'
 REMOTE_IPADDR=''
 STARTMODE='onboot'
 BONDING_MASTER='yes'
 BONDING_MODULE_OPTS='mode=active-backup miimon=100'
 BONDING_SLAVE0='bus-pci-:04:02.0'
 BONDING_SLAVE1='bus-pci-:04:02.1'

 Let me know if this helps!

Unfortunately not. I still have the problem both using pci info and
adapting your config file. I guess is something wrong with the
configuration as I have the same problem anywhere I try (openSuSE as
well as SLES)

Jan

 On 5/17/07, Michael Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jan,

  What type of switch are you connected too out of curiousity, and
 do you have control of the switch?  I'll review your configuration in
 the mean time to see if I can see any oddities.

 Mike Kershaw

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread David Bolt
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Ciro Iriarte wrote:-

snip

RAR also provides a options to Create recovery volumes

AFAIK[0], you can't _create_ a RAR file under Linux, only unpack them.
If that is still the case, being able to create recovery volumes isn't
much help.


[0] without actually searching any further than the contents of the SUSE
DVD.

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[opensuse] Re: Installing RAID

2007-05-17 Thread Stuart Murray-Smith

Hi list

I'm installing RAID-0 and RAID-1 to a /dev/hda and to a /dev/sda .
Question is, how certain can I be that SuSE 10.2 will install to
/dev/sda (which is set as primary boot device in the BIOS), while
YaST's RAID config wizard reflects /dev/hda as the primary device.

Thanks in advance, and have a great a day!

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread David Bolt
On Thu, 17 May 2007, James Knott wrote:-

Druid wrote:
 SUSEhelp To remove zmd and friends, type the following in a root
 console: rczmd stop; rpm -e libzypp-zmd-backend zmd zen-updater rug


What are the implications of removing zmd?

That all depends. If you're using 10.1, you seem to get a nag-window
complaining that zmd isn't running every time you start up a GUI
desktop. OTOH, if you're using 10.2, and have the opensuse-updater
installed/running, there doesn't appear to be any problems.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: Mico$oft Wants Royalties

2007-05-17 Thread George Osvald
On Thursday 17 May 2007, James Knott wrote:
 Hans van der Merwe wrote:
  On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
  On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
  On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
  And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
 
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE
  (let
 
  While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil
  empire I should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means
  nothing to me. #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux.
  #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :)
  #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what.
 
  JIM
 
  Where do you buy your hardware from?
  Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some
  MS tax.

 Such as???  There is a computer vendor, located near me, that sells
 laptops loaded with Linux or no OS for less than they charge for the
 same computer with Windows.  What MS tax would you be paying on a mother
 board?  Computer case?

Most hardware today comes with bundled software. Grafix board come with video 
processing software, games etc. Motherboards if they include onboard sound 
come with sound and multimedia related software. DVD drives, 
soundcards.and all that software will be more that likely written for 
Windows. You pay for it every time you buy any of those.



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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* David Bolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-17-07 07:40]:
 That all depends. If you're using 10.1, you seem to get a nag-window
 complaining that zmd isn't running every time you start up a GUI
 desktop. OTOH, if you're using 10.2, and have the opensuse-updater
 installed/running, there doesn't appear to be any problems.

openSUSE 10.1 2.6.18.8-396-default SMP x86_64
08:18 wahoo:~  rpm -q zmd
package zmd is not installed

I don't get any nag-window when starting kde ???
And do not recall ever getting one.  But I didn't rpm -e zmd until
10 minutes after the 10.1 install completed.

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[opensuse] Re: [Evolution] Graphics lost in forwarded message

2007-05-17 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:05 -0400, Daniel Gryniewicz wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 09:39 -0400, Dick Rounds wrote:
  I frequently receive emails with embedded graphics. Evolution opens
  these without a problem. However, when I forward these to someone
  else, the graphics get lost.
  
  I've checked my compose preferences and the HTML box is checked. Is
  there some other setting that I've missed?
  
 
 From what I've seen, evo doesn't forward attachments.  The only way I
 was able to get it to do so was to Message - Forward As - Redirect,
 save as draft, edit, change source address to me (instead of the
 original person), and send.  
 
 Daniel
 


I think there is 2 kinds of embedded images in HTML mails.  One is truly
embedded (uu-encoded into the mail body, not attached) and the other is
just a link to some image at some http link (img tag in html).
Can you (original author) determine which one of the two it is.




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Re: [opensuse] Re: Mico$oft Wants Royalties

2007-05-17 Thread Hans van der Merwe

Well, here in South Africa I can go to the main computer shops (not
many) and can only get XP or Vista on the laptops.  Dell wont sell me an
OS-less laptop.
The components providers like Rectron and Pinnacle can provide me with
spares - but as I understand it they sell their pre-build machines (win
Win on) for cheaper by spreading the cost of the OS over all their
components.

So yes, in Europe or USA its prob possible to get MS free stuff, but is
darn diff in this part of the world.


On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 07:24 -0400, James Knott wrote:
 Hans van der Merwe wrote:
  On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:

  On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
  
  On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:

  And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
  
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let

  While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil 
  empire I 
  should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. 
  #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux.
  #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :)
  #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what. 
 
  JIM
 
  
 
  Where do you buy your hardware from?
  Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some
  MS tax. 
 

 
 Such as???  There is a computer vendor, located near me, that sells
 laptops loaded with Linux or no OS for less than they charge for the
 same computer with Windows.  What MS tax would you be paying on a mother
 board?  Computer case?
 
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Re: [opensuse] Re: Bonding two network cards

2007-05-17 Thread eshsf
Hello,

On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:25:03 +0200
Jan Kalcic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Michael Kershaw wrote:
  Jan,
 
  In your ifcfg-bond0, instead of listing the interface as the
  bonding_slave's, have you tried to tell it the pci info instead like
  so:
 
 
  BONDING_SLAVE0='bus-pci-:04:02.0'
  BONDING_SLAVE1='bus-pci-:04:02.1'
 
  Here's my complete ifcfg-bond0:
 
  BOOTPROTO='static'
  BROADCAST='192.168.148.31'
  IPADDR='192.168.148.30'
  MTU='1500'
  NETMASK='255.255.255.224'
  NETWORK='192.168.148.0'
  REMOTE_IPADDR=''
  STARTMODE='onboot'
  BONDING_MASTER='yes'
  BONDING_MODULE_OPTS='mode=active-backup miimon=100'
  BONDING_SLAVE0='bus-pci-:04:02.0'
  BONDING_SLAVE1='bus-pci-:04:02.1'
 
  Let me know if this helps!
 
 Unfortunately not. I still have the problem both using pci info and
 adapting your config file. I guess is something wrong with the
 configuration as I have the same problem anywhere I try (openSuSE as
 well as SLES)

I'm not using bonding. so, I'm not sure, but is this related to the issue?

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250620


Regards,
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Re: [opensuse] Re: Disconnected LCD

2007-05-17 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 12:23 +0200, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
 On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 01:41 +0800, Joachim Steiger wrote:
  Hans van der Merwe wrote:
   Will the phone still work - bootup and function as normal - if I
   disconnect the LCD?
   It for an experimental, low power, vacuum environment.
  yeah, it should work.
  
  [...]
   http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm
  the only question it leaves me with is: what do you want to do with an
  gsm phone in high orbit? ;)
 
 
 Nothing, but the low power modes, USB hub and SDcard reader is very
 useful. (as an experiment) 


Sorry, should have been openmoko not opensuse.




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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread David Bolt
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:-

* David Bolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-17-07 07:40]:
 That all depends. If you're using 10.1, you seem to get a nag-window
 complaining that zmd isn't running every time you start up a GUI
 desktop. OTOH, if you're using 10.2, and have the opensuse-updater
 installed/running, there doesn't appear to be any problems.

openSUSE 10.1 2.6.18.8-396-default SMP x86_64
08:18 wahoo:~  rpm -q zmd
package zmd is not installed

Now that's annoying. I could have sworn I'd removed it[0], but rpm -q
showed it was still installed.

I don't get any nag-window when starting kde ???

It's possibly because I hadn't actually removed it even though I thought
I had. Having just removed it and restarted, no nag box :-)

And do not recall ever getting one.

I never saw one on my 64bit system either, just on starting the 32bit
one[1].

But I didn't rpm -e zmd until
10 minutes after the 10.1 install completed.

It took me a little longer than that for my 64bit, and one heck of a lot
longer for the 32bit.


[0] I know I'd turned it off using the run-level editor, but thought I'd
removed it as well. Just goes to show checking is more important than
just thinking :|

[1] A laptop so the start/stop on that is usually restarted from
previously having been suspended.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Bonding two network cards

2007-05-17 Thread Jan Kalcic
eshsf wrote:
 Hello,

 On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:25:03 +0200
 Jan Kalcic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Michael Kershaw wrote:
 
 Jan,

 In your ifcfg-bond0, instead of listing the interface as the
 bonding_slave's, have you tried to tell it the pci info instead like
 so:


 BONDING_SLAVE0='bus-pci-:04:02.0'
 BONDING_SLAVE1='bus-pci-:04:02.1'

 Here's my complete ifcfg-bond0:

 BOOTPROTO='static'
 BROADCAST='192.168.148.31'
 IPADDR='192.168.148.30'
 MTU='1500'
 NETMASK='255.255.255.224'
 NETWORK='192.168.148.0'
 REMOTE_IPADDR=''
 STARTMODE='onboot'
 BONDING_MASTER='yes'
 BONDING_MODULE_OPTS='mode=active-backup miimon=100'
 BONDING_SLAVE0='bus-pci-:04:02.0'
 BONDING_SLAVE1='bus-pci-:04:02.1'

 Let me know if this helps!
   
 Unfortunately not. I still have the problem both using pci info and
 adapting your config file. I guess is something wrong with the
 configuration as I have the same problem anywhere I try (openSuSE as
 well as SLES)
 

 I'm not using bonding. so, I'm not sure, but is this related to the issue?

 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250620


 Regards,
 eshsf

   

Hi eshsf,

the bug you mentioned is not regarding the problem I have. When I ifdown
any enslaved interface the bond0 interface goes down properly. Instead,
when I simulate a link failure doing 'ifconfig eth0 down' or
disconnecting  the device from vmware console the problem described occurs.

Jan
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Re: [opensuse] cannot see wireless networks (Suse 10.0)

2007-05-17 Thread Pueblo Native
James D. Parra wrote:
 Sometimes mine will do that, so what I usually do is

 su
 pccardctl eject
 pccardctl insert
 rcnetwork restart

 Basically, I just want to get the card to restart itself, and then get
 reinitialized.

 ~

On another subject, I used to have that happen a lot with my wired
network card.  Bugs the hell out of me.  But with my GW-122 dongle, I
just make sure ndiswrapper is loaded at boot, and everything works like
a charm.  The only problem I have is that KNetworkManager by default
tries to start the ethernet card first.  Is there anyway to stop that.
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Re: [opensuse] LightZone on SuSE10.2

2007-05-17 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Onsdag 16 maj 2007 23:19 skrev André Malin:



 Le May 16, 2007 03:07:51 pm Verner Kjærsgaard, vous avez écrit :
  hi list,
 
  - in the latest edition of Linux Format (pg 11) an article talks of a
  Photoshop/GIMP compeditor, now available for Linux. And free as in beer,
  not speech. Named LightZone.
 
  - I downloaded the sw and had it running in a matter of seconds...on
  SLED10, ahem. I got it from http://sonic.net/~rat/lightcrafts.
 
  So, I repeated the download to my SuSE10.2 (main) box, and I can't get it
  to run. It's started through a shell script from whereever you put it. It
  comes with its own JAVA environment - and that's where the trouble is.
  I've not been able to detect where the script breaks in its effort to run
  LightZone with its own JAVA system.
 
  The programme, al beit being non-free, looks very interesting, at least
  from the point of view of a photographer.
 
  Has anyone in our community succeded in getting it launched on SuSE10.2 ?
 
  Anyhow, if one has got 5 minutes spare time, give it a whirl :-)
 
 
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Re: [opensuse] LightZone on SuSE10.2

2007-05-17 Thread André Malin
Le May 17, 2007 09:41:27 am Verner Kjærsgaard, vous avez écrit :
 Onsdag 16 maj 2007 23:19 skrev André Malin:
  Le May 16, 2007 03:07:51 pm Verner Kjærsgaard, vous avez écrit :
   hi list,
  
   - in the latest edition of Linux Format (pg 11) an article talks of a
   Photoshop/GIMP compeditor, now available for Linux. And free as in
   beer, not speech. Named LightZone.
  
   - I downloaded the sw and had it running in a matter of seconds...on
   SLED10, ahem. I got it from http://sonic.net/~rat/lightcrafts.
  
   So, I repeated the download to my SuSE10.2 (main) box, and I can't get
   it to run. It's started through a shell script from whereever you put
   it. It comes with its own JAVA environment - and that's where the
   trouble is. I've not been able to detect where the script breaks in its
   effort to run LightZone with its own JAVA system.
  
   The programme, al beit being non-free, looks very interesting, at least
   from the point of view of a photographer.
  
   Has anyone in our community succeded in getting it launched on SuSE10.2
   ?
  
   Anyhow, if one has got 5 minutes spare time, give it a whirl :-)
  
  
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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

2007-05-17 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:07 +0200
Theo v. Werkhoven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for
 both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data.
 Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have
 good development tools.
 Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and
 free) system?
I have been using claws-mail (www.claws-mail.org) for a number of
years. It includes a perl plugin for advanced searches. While Eudora is
an excellent product, IMHO, you are probably better off using a product
that is natively built on Linux. Claws supports both Windows and Linux,
is actively maintained. You can build from source or install from RPMs.
The two features that I like are that it fully supports MH folders (as
well as MBOX), and it can access the jpilot address book directly. My
wife has Eudora, and I find that claws has much of the same
functionality. But, one capability that claws does not have is the
ability to send html (IMHO a good thing). 

However, I would love to see how Eudora performs under WINE or
Crossover Office (Crossover Office is a commercial product that
incorporates WINE and is tested for many Windows apps. The CodeWeavers
team also hosts and supports WINE). 


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Re: [opensuse] Microsoft claims software like Linux violates its patents - May 28, 2007

2007-05-17 Thread Pueblo Native
James D. Parra wrote:
 This is a good article;

 http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12212/53/

 Even if hypothetically there are patent infringements in the Linux kernel,
 then the open source community would do the right thing and remove the
 offending code and, because open source development moves so rapidly, that
 means Linux would no longer be infringing before it even got to court. So
 even if Microsoft did have a case, by the time it got to court the case
 would be gone and whatever damages that they were able to ask for would be
 very minimal.

 ~James 
   

Thus explaining Microsoft's refusal to name patents.  I doubt that, even
given the argument that some court finds some of these patents valid,
Microsoft would WANT that code removed.  Kinda like SCO.
And I still want to know the date on those patents Microsoft claims that
it has and when it actually noticed this.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: 10.0 freezes after the latest xorg updates

2007-05-17 Thread Sunny

On 5/16/07, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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The Tuesday 2007-05-15 at 10:40 -0500, Sunny wrote:

...

Curious... yet another idea: heat. Excesive heat on the video card.

I wonder if at your part of the world the weather is warmer just now?
Could be that. Add a small fan near the card; or if it has one, check it
for dust and smooth movement.

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Hi Carlos,
Thanks for the suggestion. I have gkrelm running, and it always shows
61F for the GPU, even when it freezes. I opened the cover, and this
did not improve the situation. I'll add another fan, just to be sure
:)

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Re: [opensuse] Re: 10.0 freezes after the latest xorg updates

2007-05-17 Thread Sunny

Btw, I'm looking for a replacement card. Unfortunately, I spent so
much time to figure out which card is OK for me, but I'm totally
loosing my time in the store's offerings. Most of the time you have to
read the descriptions of about 10 cards per store in order to find out
if something works for you. Different manufacturers, even using the
same chipset, have different outputs and capabilities of the cards.

So, can someone recommend a card which satisfies the following requirements:

nVidia chipset (GeForce)
2 DVI outputs (DVI + VGA will work, but better 2 DVIs)
HD
TvOut (not important, may be missing)
PCI-E
=100$

The card do not need to be top-notch, this is working machine, not
game station :). I just need to use both my monitors, and from time to
time to play videos.

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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

2007-05-17 Thread Pueblo Native
Jerry Feldman wrote:
 On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:07 +0200
 Theo v. Werkhoven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for
 both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data.
 Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have
 good development tools.
 Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and
 free) system?
 
 I have been using claws-mail (www.claws-mail.org) for a number of
 years. It includes a perl plugin for advanced searches. While Eudora is
 an excellent product, IMHO, you are probably better off using a product
 that is natively built on Linux. Claws supports both Windows and Linux,
 is actively maintained. You can build from source or install from RPMs.
 The two features that I like are that it fully supports MH folders (as
 well as MBOX), and it can access the jpilot address book directly. My
 wife has Eudora, and I find that claws has much of the same
 functionality. But, one capability that claws does not have is the
 ability to send html (IMHO a good thing). 
   

Thanks for the alert.  I'm going to have to check this one out on my
spare time.
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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 12:26 +0100, David Bolt wrote:

 On Thu, 17 May 2007, Ciro Iriarte wrote:-
 
 RAR also provides a options to Create recovery volumes
 
 AFAIK[0], you can't _create_ a RAR file under Linux, only unpack them.
 If that is still the case, being able to create recovery volumes isn't
 much help.

There is, I think, a linux shareware version of rar, which I tried years 
ago and found lacking a lot. Maybe they have improved, dunno. Also, the 
first version of the algorithm was some kind of opensource, but I haven't 
seen a linux version of that (and it couldn't compete with any of the 
current compressors, any way).

The wikipedia says (under Archiver features):

   Variable amounts of redundancy (recovery record) can be added to an 
  archive, making it more resistant to corruption. Even if parts of an 
  archive are damaged, it is possible to fully recover the stored data if 
  a large enough recovery record exists.

It is, of course, interesting, that a compression algorithm handles 
internally things like volume spanning and redundancy.

[...]

Yes, there is a current shareware linux version here: 

http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm


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Re: [opensuse] LightZone on SuSE10.2

2007-05-17 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Torsdag 17 maj 2007 15:51 skrev André Malin:
 Le May 17, 2007 09:41:27 am Verner Kjærsgaard, vous avez écrit :
  Onsdag 16 maj 2007 23:19 skrev André Malin:
   Le May 16, 2007 03:07:51 pm Verner Kjærsgaard, vous avez écrit :
hi list,
   
- in the latest edition of Linux Format (pg 11) an article talks of a
Photoshop/GIMP compeditor, now available for Linux. And free as in
beer, not speech. Named LightZone.
   
- I downloaded the sw and had it running in a matter of seconds...on
SLED10, ahem. I got it from http://sonic.net/~rat/lightcrafts.
   
So, I repeated the download to my SuSE10.2 (main) box, and I can't
get it to run. It's started through a shell script from whereever you
put it. It comes with its own JAVA environment - and that's where the
trouble is. I've not been able to detect where the script breaks in
its effort to run LightZone with its own JAVA system.
   
The programme, al beit being non-free, looks very interesting, at
least from the point of view of a photographer.
   
Has anyone in our community succeded in getting it launched on
SuSE10.2 ?
   
Anyhow, if one has got 5 minutes spare time, give it a whirl :-)
   
   
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   Remember installing on 10.2 whithout any pb.
  
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  - what's a pb ?

 A problem, sorry.

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Hi list,

- this one is really troubling me... this is the output I get when I try 
launching the programme..:

./LightZone
Preparing JRE ...
testing JVM in /home/vk/Documents/downloads/light_zone/LightZone/jre ...
testing JVM in /usr ...

- and that's all. I get my prompt back and nothing happens. Nothing in my log. 
I tried downloading version 2.1, this one runs just fine (!). But, lacks a 
certain feature that I use a lot, sigh..

- any hints?


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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 13:56 +0100, David Bolt wrote:

...

 [0] I know I'd turned it off using the run-level editor, but thought I'd
 removed it as well. Just goes to show checking is more important than
 just thinking :|

Maybe a dependency somewhere re-installed it :-p

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 02:41 -0500, M Harris wrote:

  Which ones break what?
   Some, uh, interoperability type stuff... I don't know, like C# stuff, 
 or .NET 
 stuff, or...   other M$ patented stuff

There is no M$ pattented stuff anywhere in linux. Or are you accepting 
their claims to the contrary?

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 07:08 -0400, James Knott wrote:

  Yast - System - System Services (runlevel) - disable NOVELL zen
 
 What would disabling zen affect?

Speed!


The default gadget for discovering new updates stops working, but in 10.2 
you can use opensuseupdater for the same job.

And zen et family is no longer included in 10.3, anyway. 

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Re: [opensuse] SMTP (Port 25 and Black List)

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 12:10 +0200, Sandy Drobic wrote:

...

 The spam level from residential ip ranges has reached levels that is it
 not just best practise to block mails from these ips, it is slowly
 approaching the limit of something must happen

And sending bona fide emails (and getting them reliably received) is 
becoming more and more of a feat... :-(

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Re: [opensuse] LightZone on SuSE10.2

2007-05-17 Thread Sunny

On 5/17/07, Verner Kjærsgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi list,

- this one is really troubling me... this is the output I get when I try
launching the programme..:

./LightZone
Preparing JRE ...
testing JVM in /home/vk/Documents/downloads/light_zone/LightZone/jre ...
testing JVM in /usr ...

- and that's all. I get my prompt back and nothing happens. Nothing in my log.
I tried downloading version 2.1, this one runs just fine (!). But, lacks a
certain feature that I use a lot, sigh..

- any hints?



As per the site, ver. 2.4 needs processor with SSE2 (I.e. Pentium 4,
AMD Opteron and Athlon 64).

On the other side, 2.1 will work without SSE2 support.

What processor you have?

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Re: [opensuse] Microsoft claims software like Linux violates its patents - May 28, 2007

2007-05-17 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, May 16, 2007 12:10:46 PM -0700, James D. Parra
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 This is a good article;
 
 http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12212/53/
 

Please, not again! Can it be good if it makes mistakes like this:

 Even if hypothetically there are patent infringements in the Linux
 kernel, then the open source community would do the right thing and
 remove the offending code

You can write or believe this only if you confuse (or want to confuse)
patents with copyright, which is a pretty dangerous thing to do with
FOSS. Software patents (regardless of whether they have a reason to
exist) protect specific algorithm and functionalities. Copyright only
protects actual text, that is the specific _incarnation_ in C, C++ or
whatever, of a certain algorithm.

If you copy and paste proprietary source code in your program, it is a
copyright violation: to fix it, you just cancel those lines of code,
and rewrite new code which has different variable names, a different
order of the flow diagram, etc... but implement the same
algorithm. That's it.

But if there is a patent on, say, the _mathematical_ _formulas_ or the
abstract flow diagram which make the Linux kernel multitasking, you
cannot remove the offending code, because what the patent forbids is
any use of those algorithm and diagrams in any forms, no matter how
you write the related code. The only way to remove the offending
code of a patent is to STOP using that functionality.

This has nothing to do with whether there are or not patent violations
in Linux or any other GPL software. It's just a basic distinction
which should not be forgotten, if nothing else to stop repeating
absurdities like the one in that article, that is the illusion that
you can cure a patent violation as painlessly as you cure a copyright
one.

Not to mention that:

 and, because open source development moves so rapidly, that means
 Linux would no longer be infringing before it even got to court.

this would not change much for any individual or company found guilty
of patent violations in the code they distributed until yesterday

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[opensuse] Sax and 1800 x 1440

2007-05-17 Thread Philip Mötteli

Hi,


I have a Dell Ultrascan P1110. This monitor has a maximum resolution  
of 1800 x 1440. This resolution is not offered in Sax.

How could I add or configure this the easiest way?


Thanks
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[opensuse] Postfix (how to disable ipv6)

2007-05-17 Thread Jorge Fábregas
Hello guys,

Whenever I use mailx I get this in STDERR:

send-mail: warning: inet_protocols: IPv6 support is disabled: Address family 
not supported by protocol
send-mail: warning: inet_protocols: configuring for IPv4 support only
postdrop: warning: inet_protocols: IPv6 support is disabled: Address family 
not supported by protocol
postdrop: warning: inet_protocols: configuring for IPv4 support only


How can I stop these messages? I couldn't find anything related on main.cf.

Thanks!
Jorge

p.d. I'm running SUSE 10.0
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Re: [opensuse] Postfix (how to disable ipv6) [SOLVED]

2007-05-17 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On Thursday 17 May 2007 1:07 pm, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
 How can I stop these messages? I couldn't find anything related on main.cf.

Arrrghh found it.  I just had to replace
inet_protocols = all

with

inet_protocols = ipv4

in /etc/postfix/main.cf

Damn, that ipv6  :)

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Re: [opensuse] Postfix (how to disable ipv6)

2007-05-17 Thread Rauch Christian
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Jorge Fábregas wrote:
 postdrop: warning: inet_protocols: IPv6 support is disabled: Address family 
 not supported by protocol
 
 How can I stop these messages? I couldn't find anything related on main.cf.

You may want so set inet_protocols = ipv4 instead of all in main.cf

Regards,
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Re: [opensuse] LightZone on SuSE10.2

2007-05-17 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Torsdag 17 maj 2007 17:04 skrev Sunny:
 On 5/17/07, Verner Kjærsgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi list,
 
  - this one is really troubling me... this is the output I get when I try
  launching the programme..:
 
  ./LightZone
  Preparing JRE ...
  testing JVM in /home/vk/Documents/downloads/light_zone/LightZone/jre ...
  testing JVM in /usr ...
 
  - and that's all. I get my prompt back and nothing happens. Nothing in my
  log. I tried downloading version 2.1, this one runs just fine (!). But,
  lacks a certain feature that I use a lot, sigh..
 
  - any hints?

 As per the site, ver. 2.4 needs processor with SSE2 (I.e. Pentium 4,
 AMD Opteron and Athlon 64).

 On the other side, 2.1 will work without SSE2 support.

 What processor you have?


Hi - and thank you!

- I've got a number of machines. My primary is a DELL Precision M90 running 
openSuSE10.2 with a Centrino Duo CPU. Version 2.4 dos NOT run on this 
machine, version 2.1 does RUN however.

- I've also got an IBM Thinkpad R50 with a standard Centrino CPU. Version 2.4 
runs FINE on this machine. The OS is SLED10.

Eh..I actually thought that the 2.4 would run on my DELL Centrino Duo as it's 
working on the ordinary Centrino CPU on the Thinkpad.

Hmmm., I'll just fire up the ol' ThinkPad and be happy :-)


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[opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Alexey Eremenko

hi all !

I cannot upgrade to 10.3alpha4 because delta ISO doesn't work !

MD5Sums are OK.

I did this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/F/OSes makedeltaiso openSUSE-10.3-Alpha3-DVD-i386.iso
openSUSE-10.3-Alpha3_Alpha4-DVD-i386.delta.iso
openSUSE-10.3-Alpha4-DVD-i386.iso

but the error is:
openSUSE-10.3-Alpha3-DVD-i386.iso: 2897 rpms
primary volume descriptor missing


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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos Romero-Martin
On Thursday 17 May 2007 19:35:42 Alexey Eremenko wrote:
 hi all !

 I cannot upgrade to 10.3alpha4 because delta ISO doesn't work !

 MD5Sums are OK.

 I did this:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/F/OSes makedeltaiso openSUSE-10.3-Alpha3-DVD-i386.iso
 openSUSE-10.3-Alpha3_Alpha4-DVD-i386.delta.iso
 openSUSE-10.3-Alpha4-DVD-i386.iso

 but the error is:
 openSUSE-10.3-Alpha3-DVD-i386.iso: 2897 rpms
 primary volume descriptor missing


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Re: [opensuse] Sax and 1800 x 1440

2007-05-17 Thread david rankin

What version of SuSE are you running. It makes a *big* difference

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Hi,


I have a Dell Ultrascan P1110. This monitor has a maximum resolution  of 
1800 x 1440. This resolution is not offered in Sax.

How could I add or configure this the easiest way?


Thanks
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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Richard Bos
Alexey,

Op Thursday 17 May 2007 19:35:42 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
 I cannot upgrade to 10.3alpha4 because delta ISO doesn't work !

this is not a major problem at all.  So please adjust your subject next time, 
for example no exclamation marks and not Major problem.  A major problem is 
for example a harddisk crash without having a recent backup.

In your case it is just playing with a new version, hence your problem is just 
very very minor.  BTW: a better list for alpha releases or actually the right 
ML is opensuse-factory at opensuse dot org.

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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Alexey Eremenko

You must use applydeltaiso


Thanks !
This seems to work !

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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Druid

Wtf is this? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=275656

Can you please stay away from bugzilla?
Can you please read the instructions of the damn program?
Can you please stop sending scandal emails about your major problems?
Can you please stop being annoying and wasting people's time?

If you are incompetent, just step away from the keyboard...

Goddamn it

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 You must use applydeltaiso

Thanks !
This seems to work !

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Re: [opensuse] Sax and 1800 x 1440

2007-05-17 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/05/17 18:58 (GMT+0200) Philip Mötteli apparently typed:

 I have a Dell Ultrascan P1110. This monitor has a maximum resolution  
 of 1800 x 1440. This resolution is not offered in Sax.
 How could I add or configure this the easiest way?

I confirmed that on Dell's web site. Most likely what was meant when that
spec was written was 1920x1440, which also is a standard 4:3 mode. 1800x1440
if it actually exists is a screwball aspect ratio nobody should want to use.
Try 1800x1350, which is a standard 4:3 mode. If that doesn't work, try
1792x1344, or even 1920x1440.

Most likely that model is a Sony Trinitron under private label to Dell. All
my Trinitrons from 17 up whether sold by Dell or Sony or IBM will do up to
2048x1536. Your's probably will too, though maybe not at as high a refresh
as you might prefer.

If Sax refuses to provide anything above 1600x1200, let it do that, and then
edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually to add what you ultimately want. Here's a
list of standard modes Sax ought to include as choices:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/std-resolutions.html
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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Alexey Eremenko

If you are incompetent, just step away from the keyboard...


I *will* step away from keyboard, when GUIs will be able to do *more*
functions than command-line. Windows is already there, and Linux is to
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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Druid

Wtf is this? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=275656

Can you please stay away from bugzilla?
Can you please read the instructions of the damn program?
Can you please stop sending scandal emails about your major problems?
Can you please stop being annoying and wasting people's time?


On 5/17/07, Alexey Eremenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you are incompetent, just step away from the keyboard...

I *will* step away from keyboard, when GUIs will be able to do *more*
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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Mike
On Thursday 17 May 2007 20:16, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
  If you are incompetent, just step away from the keyboard...

 I *will* step away from keyboard, when GUIs will be able to do *more*
 functions than command-line. Windows is already there, and Linux is
 to follow.

Then go back to windows. If it is that easy, you shouldn't have any 
problems. But most of the things you complain about are nothing more 
than YOUR personal preference. If you don't like what you have either 
create your own distro, or quit complaining. 

Either way, I'll never know.

PLONK



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Re: [opensuse] Default File Manager

2007-05-17 Thread Peter Van Lone

On 5/17/07, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The filemanager in gnome is responsible for somethings like painting the
desktop icons. No nautilus, empty desktop. I did use another one some
versions back, but konqueror, never. However, you can easily fire up
konqueror inside gnome, I do often.


is it possible to get fish:// working in konq in gnome? Last I tried
it did not, gave a message about missing some lib or other.

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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 03:10:41PM -0300, Druid wrote:
 Wtf is this? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=275656
 
 Can you please stay away from bugzilla?
 Can you please read the instructions of the damn program?
 Can you please stop sending scandal emails about your major problems?
 Can you please stop being annoying and wasting people's time?

Folks, please calm down a bit. Yes, it was a stupid mistake, but
there's no need to be rude. Everybody makes mistakes.

Cheers,
  Michael.

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Re: [opensuse] LightZone on SuSE10.2

2007-05-17 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Verner Kjærsgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-17-07 10:30]:
 - this one is really troubling me... this is the output I get when I try 
 launching the programme..:
 
 ./LightZone
 Preparing JRE ...
 testing JVM in /home/vk/Documents/downloads/light_zone/LightZone/jre ...
 testing JVM in /usr ...
 
 - and that's all. I get my prompt back and nothing happens. Nothing in my 
 log. 
 I tried downloading version 2.1, this one runs just fine (!). But, lacks a 
 certain feature that I use a lot, sigh..
 
 - any hints?


I get the same output, and I do have sse2 support:

15:27 wahoo:~  cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 15
model   : 43
model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
stepping: 1
cpu MHz : 2211.378
cache size  : 512 KB
physical id : 0
siblings: 2
core id : 0
cpu cores   : 2
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext
fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni lahf_lm cmp_legacy
bogomips: 4426.13
TLB size: 1024 4K pages
clflush size: 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management: ts fid vid ttp

2nd processor is the same.

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread M Harris
On Thursday 17 May 2007 03:05, Benji Weber wrote:
          Some, uh, interoperability type stuff... I don't know, like C#
  stuff, or .NET stuff, or...   other M$ patented stuff
 
          ... but I could be wrong.

 Lots of applications are written in c#.net , beagle, banshee for
 example. You are removing an entire development platform.
uh, yeah...

C#'s principal designer and lead architect at Microsoft is Anders 
Hejlsberg. 
His previous experience in programming language and framework design (Visual 
J++, Borland Delphi, Turbo Pascal) can be readily seen in the syntax of the 
C# language, as well as throughout the Common Language Runtime (CLR) core. In 
interviews and technical papers he has stated ***flaws***  in most major 
programming languages, C++, Java, Delphi, Smalltalk, drove the fundamentals 
of the CLR, which, in turn, drove the design of the C# programming language 
itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp

Beagle?  Especially--- remove   worse than zmd, zen
Banshee?  remove

Micro$oft's  .NET initiative is  e v i l .  (like most every other 
lockin 
they've invented)

Since Micro$oft has not detailed the supposed patent infringements they 
claim 
to have against linux... do you suppose that some of those will have anything 
whatever to do with the .NET initiative... or the M$ development of C#?   

Ps.  The language of *nix is C/C++.  The connectivity of *nix is ip 
sockets. 

Pss.  The lockin of M$ is IP.





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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Druid

high density crap deleted

what does that have to do with the thread?


   Ps.  The language of *nix is C/C++.  The connectivity of *nix is ip 
sockets.


what does that have to do with the thread?



   Pss.  The lockin of M$ is IP.


what does that have to do with the thread?

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread M Harris
On Thursday 17 May 2007 14:43, Druid wrote:
         Ps.  The language of *nix is C/C++.  The connectivity of *nix is
  ip sockets.

 what does that have to do with the thread?
The thread is about removing bloat-ware/CPUware... and removing an 
entire 
development platform  (see the thread)
The development platform for linux is C/C++.   C#.NET, nor any of its 
products, need be installed on a GNU/Linux system. So, I remove them... the 
thread provides the context...  it was in the high-density crap you deleted.

         Pss.  The lockin of M$ is IP.

 what does that have to do with the thread?
(nothing: that's why its a post-script)






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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Benji Weber

On 17/05/07, M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 17 May 2007 03:05, Benji Weber wrote:
  Some, uh, interoperability type stuff... I don't know, like C#
  stuff, or .NET stuff, or... other M$ patented stuff
 
  ... but I could be wrong.

 Lots of applications are written in c#.net , beagle, banshee for
 example. You are removing an entire development platform.
uh, yeah...

C#'s principal designer and lead architect at Microsoft is Anders 
Hejlsberg.
His previous experience in programming language and framework design (Visual
J++, Borland Delphi, Turbo Pascal) can be readily seen in the syntax of the
C# language, as well as throughout the Common Language Runtime (CLR) core. In
interviews and technical papers he has stated ***flaws***  in most major
programming languages, C++, Java, Delphi, Smalltalk, drove the fundamentals
of the CLR, which, in turn, drove the design of the C# programming language
itself.


Anders Hejlsberg is one of the most respected software engineers in
the world, who has proven himself many times. Forgive me if I don't
have the same respect for your uninformed gibberish.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp

Beagle?  Especially--- remove   worse than zmd, zen


Beagle is actually quite useful and relatively efficient compared to
other indexing engines. Any indexing engine will slow your machine
down while it is running, that is a choice up to the individual user.

Banshee?  remove


I don't use it either, but there are an increasing number of
applications built on mono.



Micro$oft's  .NET initiative is  e v i l .  (like most every other 
lockin
they've invented)


mono is a free portable implementation of the .net standard, so
claiming it is microsoft lockin is rather silly. c#  .net core are
EMCA standards, and a patent licence is granted to any implementors.
The mono project will remove or work around any patent encumbered
code.


Since Micro$oft has not detailed the supposed patent infringements they 
claim
to have against linux... do you suppose that some of those will have anything
whatever to do with the .NET initiative... or the M$ development of C#?

Ps.  The language of *nix is C/C++.  The connectivity of *nix is ip 
sockets.


c/c++ is still widely used, but the future is managed code -
java/.net. The corporate world has already embraced it. Managed code
is safer, less error prone, and can be faster. Just because Microsoft
creates something doesn't make it bad. Microsoft Research in
particular puts out a lot of interesting stuff.



Pss.  The lockin of M$ is IP.


This is irrelevant.
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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Druid

   The development platform for linux is C/C++.

heh


  C#.NET, nor any of its
products,  need be installed on a GNU/Linux system.

heh

heh


thread provides the context...  it was in the high-density crap you deleted.

heh


 what does that have to do with the thread?
   (nothing: that's why its a post-script)

heh


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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Thursday 17 May 2007 12:53, Benji Weber wrote:
 On 17/05/07, M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ...
 
  C#'s principal designer and lead architect at Microsoft is
  Anders Hejlsberg. His previous experience in programming language
  and framework design (Visual J++, Borland Delphi, Turbo Pascal) can
  be readily seen in the syntax of the C# language, as well as
  throughout the Common Language Runtime (CLR) core. In interviews
  and technical papers he has stated ***flaws***  in most major
  programming languages, C++, Java, Delphi, Smalltalk, drove the
  fundamentals of the CLR, which, in turn, drove the design of the C#
  programming language itself.

 Anders Hejlsberg is one of the most respected software engineers in
 the world, who has proven himself many times. Forgive me if I don't
 have the same respect for your uninformed gibberish.

I think you might be misinterpreting that quotation. I read it as saying 
that problems perceived in the older languages informed CLR and C# in 
the sense that an understanding of those flaws and shortcomings allowed 
them to be avoided or ameliorated in the newer design.

I know very little about CLR and C# nor have I ever  heard of Anders 
Hejlsberg, for what it's worth.


 ...


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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Alexey Eremenko

On 5/17/07, M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 17 May 2007 13:26, Druid wrote:
 Wtf is this? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=275656
uh, well, its a human error... a mistake...

... I've made lots of them.   In fact, I've made zillions of them.

Alexey is an excited participant who provides a value add, just as you 
do. He
placed this note of humility in his bugzilla id 275656:

Oops.
I needed to use applydeltaiso instead. Everything is correct. Sorry.


Alexey has some great ideas, and his personal preferences just might be
preferences that other users would also find useful.  When you're
brainstorming a distro and working it into the fine art you hope it will be
there are no wrong answers and there is no such thing as wasted time... every
input should be considered--- keep the good, through out the bad, move on.
Alexey is helping you guys immensely... seems to me.


Thanks M Harris !

It's nice to hear that !

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Francis Giannaros

On 5/17/07, M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 17 May 2007 14:43, Druid wrote:
  Ps. The language of *nix is C/C++. The connectivity of *nix is
  ip sockets.

 what does that have to do with the thread?
The thread is about removing bloat-ware/CPUware... and removing an 
entire
development platform  (see the thread)
The development platform for linux is C/C++.   C#.NET, nor any of its
products, need be installed on a GNU/Linux system. So, I remove them... the
thread provides the context...  it was in the high-density crap you deleted.


Err, it's quite clear that the thread is referring specifically to
parse-metadata, which is the ZMD friend. There was no call for how to
remove all mono-related applications.

Your text as quoted above is really crossing the barrier of just
[unsubstantiated] trolling now, so please stop. The support mailing
list isn't really a personal soap box for complaining about Mono
applications and trying to force that onto the rest of the _openSUSE_
community

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Francis Giannaros

On 5/17/07, M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 17 May 2007 14:43, Druid wrote:
  Ps. The language of *nix is C/C++. The connectivity of *nix is
  ip sockets.

 what does that have to do with the thread?
The thread is about removing bloat-ware/CPUware... and removing an 
entire
development platform  (see the thread)
The development platform for linux is C/C++.   C#.NET, nor any of its
products, need be installed on a GNU/Linux system. So, I remove them... the
thread provides the context...  it was in the high-density crap you deleted.


Also, as I forgot to mention, parse-metadata (being a ZMD-friend)
isn't even written in mono itself; the helpers are in fact just C++
executables. See http://en.opensuse.org/Understanding_zmd

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Re: [opensuse] Default File Manager

2007-05-17 Thread Jos van Kan
Peter Van Lone wrote:
 On 5/17/07, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The filemanager in gnome is responsible for somethings like painting the
 desktop icons. No nautilus, empty desktop. I did use another one some
 versions back, but konqueror, never. However, you can easily fire up
 konqueror inside gnome, I do often.
 
 is it possible to get fish:// working in konq in gnome? Last I tried
 it did not, gave a message about missing some lib or other.

Hm. The obvious suggestion would be to install some lib or other. Did you try 
that?
Of course you need a whole slew of KDE stuff to get konq working in gnome and
I'm not surprised that to get full functionality you need a bigger slew.



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[opensuse] Any hidden DVD iso for 10.3 Alpha 4?

2007-05-17 Thread Jorge Fábregas
Hello guys,

Is there any DVD iso for Alpha 4 hidden somewhere? BitTorrent really $ucks 
I've been trying with Ktorrent and Aria2 for the last couple of hours but 
it's a nightmare.

Thanks,
Jorge
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Re: [opensuse] Default File Manager

2007-05-17 Thread Peter Van Lone

On 5/17/07, Jos van Kan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hm. The obvious suggestion would be to install some lib or other. Did you try 
that?


well yes, obvious indeed. But which package to install, in order to
get the particular needed lib, was not so  obvious.


Of course you need a whole slew of KDE stuff to get konq working in gnome and
I'm not surprised that to get full functionality you need a bigger slew.


I wondered whether it might be as simple as adding a path statement,
or ... something. As on the box that I tried this on, I had both
desktops installed fully (or so I thought ...)

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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread jfweber
On Thu May 17 2007, Richard Bos scratched these words onto a coconut 
shell, hoping for an answer:
 Alexey,

 Op Thursday 17 May 2007 19:35:42 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
  I cannot upgrade to 10.3alpha4 because delta ISO doesn't work !

 this is not a major problem at all.  So please adjust your subject
 next time, for example no exclamation marks and not Major problem. 
 A major problem is for example a harddisk crash without having a
 recent backup.

 That isn't just a major problem, it's nearly grounds for suicide, or 
murder depending on who is nearby when it happens! An exclamation point 
is the least of your worries in that event.When we had one last Windows 
user and the Sirchan worm hit, the version w/ the nasty payload that 
wiped out everything that this one guy had done for the past two weeks. 
He's a writer w/ a deadline guess who got stuck trying to 
rebuild or recapture his stuff... Just so you get my drift about the 
choice between suicide or assisted suicide. 

( Sounds of Ak47 taken off safety  and ready to shoot !! No need to aim, 
if you're around, it'll find you. )

 In your case it is just playing with a new version, hence your
 problem is just very very minor.  BTW: a better list for alpha
 releases or actually the right ML is opensuse-factory at opensuse dot
 org.

Thank you for that, perhaps the reasoned answer to someone who seems 
stuck or lost or just needs to figure out how to use something in the 
alpha - beta versions is to point them to the lists where I expect they 
will get more aide than here.




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Re: [opensuse] Any hidden DVD iso for 10.3 Alpha 4?

2007-05-17 Thread Alexey Eremenko

On 5/17/07, Jorge Fábregas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello guys,

Is there any DVD iso for Alpha 4 hidden somewhere? BitTorrent really $ucks
I've been trying with Ktorrent and Aria2 for the last couple of hours but
it's a nightmare.


Alpha's don't have DVDs officially. Only CDs. DVDs exist only for bittorrent.

My recommendation: download a DVD from bittorrent and next time update
it via delta iso.

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Druid

Also, as I forgot to mention, parse-metadata (being a ZMD-friend)
isn't even written in mono itself; the helpers are in fact just C++
executables. See http://en.opensuse.org/Understanding_zmd



Oh, but thats because the development platform for linux is C/C++, francis!

heh

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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread peter nikolic
On Thursday 17 May 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
  If you are incompetent, just step away from the keyboard...

 I *will* step away from keyboard, when GUIs will be able to do *more*
 functions than command-line. Windows is already there, and Linux is to
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Having said that ...   :-)  

Druid you gotta bad ass attitude boy coolit ..  people accuse ME of biting   
yea well ..



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Re: [opensuse] Any hidden DVD iso for 10.3 Alpha 4?

2007-05-17 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On Thursday 17 May 2007 4:55 pm, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
 Alpha's don't have DVDs officially. Only CDs. DVDs exist only for
 bittorrent.

 My recommendation: download a DVD from bittorrent and next time update
 it via delta iso.

 The final version will have DVD.

Thanks for clarifying Alexy. Got it.

All the best,
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Re: [opensuse] Problem Burning DVDs with SATA writer

2007-05-17 Thread Ciro Iriarte

2007/5/17, G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Ciro Iriarte wrote:
 Hi, i have a PHILLIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820 writer on my laptop and trying
 to burn data to 4.4GB TDK medium i get:

 May 17 01:31:15 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:31:15 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x2a data 32768 out
 May 17 01:31:15 roamer kernel:  res
 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
 May 17 01:31:22 roamer kernel: ata2: port is slow to respond, please
 be patient (Status 0xd0)
 May 17 01:31:45 roamer kernel: ata2: port failed to respond (30 secs,
 Status 0xd0)
 May 17 01:31:45 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:31:46 roamer kernel: ata2.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error,
 err_mask=0x1)
 May 17 01:31:46 roamer kernel: ata2.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
 May 17 01:31:46 roamer kernel: ata2: failed to recover some devices,
 retrying in 5 secs
 May 17 01:31:51 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:31:51 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
 May 17 01:31:51 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete

 That happened at the end of the process, using K3B. Result: Failed.

 Next i tried with a new disc but tried with the Simulate option and
 get a lot more:

 May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/00:00:00:00:20/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x1e data 0 in
 May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel:  res
 50/00:01:00:00:20/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x2 (HSM violation)
 May 17 01:37:56 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:37:57 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
 May 17 01:37:57 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
 May 17 01:38:46 roamer kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any
 tracks I recognize!
 May 17 01:38:51 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:38:51 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
 May 17 01:38:51 roamer kernel:  res
 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
 May 17 01:38:53 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:38:53 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
 May 17 01:38:53 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
 May 17 01:38:58 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:38:58 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
 May 17 01:38:58 roamer kernel:  res
 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
 May 17 01:39:00 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:39:00 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
 May 17 01:39:00 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
 May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to UDMA/25
 May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
 May 17 01:39:05 roamer kernel:  res
 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
 May 17 01:39:07 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:39:07 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/25
 May 17 01:39:07 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
 May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to UDMA/16
 May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
 May 17 01:39:12 roamer kernel:  res
 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
 May 17 01:39:15 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:39:15 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/16
 May 17 01:39:15 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
 May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to PIO4
 May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/01:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
 May 17 01:39:20 roamer kernel:  res
 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
 May 17 01:39:22 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:39:22 roamer kernel: ata2.00: configured for PIO4
 May 17 01:39:22 roamer kernel: ata2: EH complete
 May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel: ata2.00: limiting speed to PIO3
 May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
 May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel: ata2.00: cmd
 a0/00:00:00:00:20/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 cdb 0x28 data 2048 in
 May 17 01:39:27 roamer kernel:  res
 40/00:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
 May 17 01:39:29 roamer kernel: ata2: soft resetting port
 May 17 01:39:29 roamer kernel: 

Re: [opensuse] Default File Manager

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 13:47 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:

 On 5/17/07, Carlos E. R.  wrote:
 
  The filemanager in gnome is responsible for somethings like painting the
  desktop icons. No nautilus, empty desktop. I did use another one some
  versions back, but konqueror, never. However, you can easily fire up
  konqueror inside gnome, I do often.
 
 is it possible to get fish:// working in konq in gnome? Last I tried
 it did not, gave a message about missing some lib or other.

I've never tried, but it might help knowing what libs; or even better, 
what exact message. You know you can start konq from an xterm and get a 
load of messages, don't you? :-)

And first check wether in a kde desktop the same thing works.

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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread James Knott
M Harris wrote:
 On Wednesday 16 May 2007 20:52, James Knott wrote:
   
 Top shows parse-metadata is hogging much of the CPU and
 there's also a lot of disk activity.  Is there any way to reduce the
 impact of this or even get rid of it?
 

 Yast - System - System Services (runlevel) - disable NOVELL zen


 next uninstall:

   

I have disabled it in Yast, but not uninstalled anything.  I'll have to
see how that goes.


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Re: [opensuse] parse-metadata

2007-05-17 Thread Jerry Houston

Randall R Schulz wrote:
I think you might be misinterpreting that quotation. I read it as saying 
that problems perceived in the older languages informed CLR and C# in 
the sense that an understanding of those flaws and shortcomings allowed 
them to be avoided or ameliorated in the newer design.


I know very little about CLR and C# nor have I ever  heard of Anders 
Hejlsberg, for what it's worth.
  


I think you're correct in your interpretation. 

For the record, I've been at this for a while -- I wrote a C textbook 
more than 20 years ago.  However, I've also earned a good living for the 
last 5 years writing commercial software in C#, and it has become my 
all-time favorite programming language.


It's not something to be scorned simply because Microsoft developed it 
(unless that's the guiding force in your life, I suppose).

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Ciro Iriarte

2007/5/17, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 12:26 +0100, David Bolt wrote:

 On Thu, 17 May 2007, Ciro Iriarte wrote:-

 RAR also provides a options to Create recovery volumes

 AFAIK[0], you can't _create_ a RAR file under Linux, only unpack them.
 If that is still the case, being able to create recovery volumes isn't
 much help.

There is, I think, a linux shareware version of rar, which I tried years
ago and found lacking a lot. Maybe they have improved, dunno. Also, the
first version of the algorithm was some kind of opensource, but I haven't
seen a linux version of that (and it couldn't compete with any of the
current compressors, any way).

The wikipedia says (under Archiver features):

   Variable amounts of redundancy (recovery record) can be added to an
  archive, making it more resistant to corruption. Even if parts of an
  archive are damaged, it is possible to fully recover the stored data if
  a large enough recovery record exists.

It is, of course, interesting, that a compression algorithm handles
internally things like volume spanning and redundancy.

[...]

Yes, there is a current shareware linux version here:

http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm


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Just tried, and with the v3.60 SHAREWARE i can create archives with
Recovery Records, and even add them to an existing archive I'm not
sure what are the limitations, if any...

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[opensuse] Re: openSUSE packages: PowerTOP / Kernel with CONFIG_TIMER_STATS

2007-05-17 Thread Peter Nixon
On Wed 16 May 2007, Timo Hoenig wrote:
 Hi Gabriel,

 On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 21:56 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
 
  i have installed powertop but when i run powertop,it show me this
  comment, i use,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Documents/powertop uname -a
  Linux xps 2.6.18.8-0.3-default #1 SMP Tue Apr 17 08:42:35 UTC 2007
  i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
  How i enable it ? i am not a Advance user i am a medium user.

 You will need to install the kernel provided in the repository, too.  Be
 careful not to overwrite your current kernel when doing that.

Is there a reason why the required option(s) are not enabled by default in 
Factory/10.3 Alpha?

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Thursday 17 May 2007 07:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
 ...

 Yes, there is a current shareware linux version here:

 http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm

Really? I see only a trial version, nothing marked shareware. 
Usually I interpret trial as being limited in either functionality or 
duration of operability, though I don't see any specific information on 
what precisely trial means for RARLAB.


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RE: [opensuse] cannot see wireless networks (Suse 10.0)

2007-05-17 Thread James D. Parra
  
   su
   pccardctl eject
   pccardctl insert
   rcnetwork restart
  
   Basically, I just want to get the card to restart itself, and then get
   reinitialized.
  

Okay, I used iwlist  it shows the accesspoint, however I am not sure how to
connect to it with a CLI. Any ideas?

Thank you,

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 16:21 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

 On Thursday 17 May 2007 07:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
  ...
 
  Yes, there is a current shareware linux version here:
 
  http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm
 
 Really? I see only a trial version, nothing marked shareware. 
 Usually I interpret trial as being limited in either functionality or 
 duration of operability, though I don't see any specific information on 
 what precisely trial means for RARLAB.

I speak from memory. Years ago, when I used it, it was shareware: try it, 
pay later. There are references to the word in their page, and also to 
buy. And if you look at the license file, you would see:

  The RAR archiver is distributed as try before you buy.



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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread james wright
On Thursday 17 May 2007 19:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
 The Thursday 2007-05-17 at 16:21 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
  On Thursday 17 May 2007 07:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
   ...
  
   Yes, there is a current shareware linux version here:
  
   http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm
 
  Really? I see only a trial version, nothing marked shareware.
  Usually I interpret trial as being limited in either functionality or
  duration of operability, though I don't see any specific information on
  what precisely trial means for RARLAB.

 I speak from memory. Years ago, when I used it, it was shareware: try it,
 pay later. There are references to the word in their page, and also to
 buy. And if you look at the license file, you would see:

   The RAR archiver is distributed as try before you buy.



 --
 Cheers,
Carlos E. R.

It also says:

  Anyone may use this software during a test period of 40
  days. Following this test period of 40 days or less,
  if you wish to continue to use RAR, you must purchase a licence.

The license is found at:

/usr/share/doc/packages/rar/license.txt

- James W

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Gabriel
Carlos E. R. escribió:
  I speak from memory. Years ago, when I used it, it was shareware: try
it,
 pay later. There are references to the word in their page, and also to 
 buy. And if you look at the license file, you would see:
 
   The RAR archiver is distributed as try before you buy.
 

Mmm, try this http://www.7-zip.org/ it support a lot of formats
including Rar and it's open source.

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Thursday 17 May 2007 16:53, Gabriel wrote:
 ...

 Mmm, try this http://www.7-zip.org/ it support a lot of formats
 including Rar and it's open source.

Not to mention this:

% rpm -qa |egrep -i 7zip
p7zip-4.39-2.guru.suse100


And if you have it installed (or install it) and do the obvious:

% man p7zip
p7zip: nothing appropriate.

or

% apropos 7zip

or

% aproppos p7zip
p7zip: nothing appropriate.


... you should know that the command and the man page are 7z, 7za 
and 7zr:

% apropos 7z
7z (1)   - A file archiver with highest compression ratio
7za (1)  - A file archiver with highest compression ratio
7zr (1)  - A file archiver with highest compression ratio


Kind of boastful, eh? Sort of like Best and lasts longest.


 Regards.


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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Ciro Iriarte

2007/5/17, Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Thursday 17 May 2007 16:53, Gabriel wrote:
 ...

 Mmm, try this http://www.7-zip.org/ it support a lot of formats
 including Rar and it's open source.

Not to mention this:

% rpm -qa |egrep -i 7zip
p7zip-4.39-2.guru.suse100


And if you have it installed (or install it) and do the obvious:

% man p7zip
p7zip: nothing appropriate.

or

% apropos 7zip

or

% aproppos p7zip
p7zip: nothing appropriate.


... you should know that the command and the man page are 7z, 7za
and 7zr:

% apropos 7z
7z (1)   - A file archiver with highest compression ratio
7za (1)  - A file archiver with highest compression ratio
7zr (1)  - A file archiver with highest compression ratio


Kind of boastful, eh? Sort of like Best and lasts longest.


 Regards.


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Well, the key feature discussed is media error recovery

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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-17 Thread Ciro Iriarte

  Really? I see only a trial version, nothing marked shareware.
  Usually I interpret trial as being limited in either functionality or
  duration of operability, though I don't see any specific information on
  what precisely trial means for RARLAB.

 I speak from memory. Years ago, when I used it, it was shareware: try it,
 pay later. There are references to the word in their page, and also to
 buy. And if you look at the license file, you would see:

   The RAR archiver is distributed as try before you buy.



 --
 Cheers,
Carlos E. R.

It also says:

  Anyone may use this software during a test period of 40
  days. Following this test period of 40 days or less,
  if you wish to continue to use RAR, you must purchase a licence.

The license is found at:

/usr/share/doc/packages/rar/license.txt

- James W



Well,  i installed it 6 months ago, and still works

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Re: [opensuse] ping problem

2007-05-17 Thread Aaron Kulkis

chika wrote:

i do much experiment with my openSUSE box today

i edited some run level through yast, n restart my box
i hoped it works well

then 
my remote user complain that he cant login remotely
he said that he cant ping to my box strange
i can ping his computer n other computers ...even i can remote them
also i can access the samba file servers

what's up, here?


Is he pinging the right address?

/sbin/ifconfig eth0 to find out your IP Address




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Re: [opensuse] Microsoft claims software like Linux violates its patents - May 28, 2007

2007-05-17 Thread George Osvald
On Friday 18 May 2007 02:54, M. Fioretti wrote:
 On Wed, May 16, 2007 12:10:46 PM -0700, James D. Parra

 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  This is a good article;
 
  http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12212/53/

 Please, not again! Can it be good if it makes mistakes like this:
  Even if hypothetically there are patent infringements in the Linux
  kernel, then the open source community would do the right thing and
  remove the offending code

 You can write or believe this only if you confuse (or want to confuse)
 patents with copyright, which is a pretty dangerous thing to do with
 FOSS. Software patents (regardless of whether they have a reason to
 exist) protect specific algorithm and functionalities. Copyright only
 protects actual text, that is the specific _incarnation_ in C, C++ or
 whatever, of a certain algorithm.

 If you copy and paste proprietary source code in your program, it is a
 copyright violation: to fix it, you just cancel those lines of code,
 and rewrite new code which has different variable names, a different
 order of the flow diagram, etc... but implement the same
 algorithm. That's it.

 But if there is a patent on, say, the _mathematical_ _formulas_ or the
 abstract flow diagram which make the Linux kernel multitasking, you
 cannot remove the offending code, because what the patent forbids is
 any use of those algorithm and diagrams in any forms, no matter how
 you write the related code. The only way to remove the offending
 code of a patent is to STOP using that functionality.

 This has nothing to do with whether there are or not patent violations
 in Linux or any other GPL software. It's just a basic distinction
 which should not be forgotten, if nothing else to stop repeating
 absurdities like the one in that article, that is the illusion that
 you can cure a patent violation as painlessly as you cure a copyright
 one.

 Not to mention that:
  and, because open source development moves so rapidly, that means
  Linux would no longer be infringing before it even got to court.

 this would not change much for any individual or company found guilty
 of patent violations in the code they distributed until yesterday

Well I am not a lawyer but I think there are problems with Microsoft claims. I 
think under US legal system damages can only be awarded if proper notice of 
the patent was given. Notice is given by the patent owner by marking the 
patented product with the designation patented, or the abbreviation pat., 
followed by the patent number. Such notice should be applied to the patented 
article or articles made by a patented process.
The patent number would have to be included with every file of code they ever 
produced. 
Also since software patends are a fairly new thing they can not back date 
their claims to the beginning of Windows or even Linux.
Furthermore it would be very hard to prove if Microsoft experienced any 
financial loss directly caused buy the patend infringements.

Than again stranger things happened. I have been selling on line for a long 
time. A few years ago Some American company started accusing people selling 
on line of patend infringements. Apparently they owned a patend for online 
sales and everybody who sells using that method will have to pay royalties. 
When they contacted me I simply told them to f**k off but I heard that some 
gullible folk got conned into paying thousands of $.

The main problem here is the patent office. Some years ago here in Australia 
some guy in Melbourne tested the idiotic system and applied for patent for 
a wheel. The patent has been granted.


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Re: [opensuse] Microsoft claims software like Linux violates its patents - May 28, 2007

2007-05-17 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* George Osvald [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-17-07 21:33]:
 Well I am not a lawyer but I think there are problems with Microsoft claims. 

And they would probably fit better in [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Please have some consideration and stop filling the list and archives
with wild rantings and speculation about non-technical non-openSUSE
items.

There are already 23 posts in this thread which contribute absolutely
nothing to learning about or solving a problem with an openSUSE
installation.

I did say Please  :^),

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Re: [opensuse] Microsoft claims software like Linux violates its patents - May 28, 2007

2007-05-17 Thread jfweber
On Thu May 17 2007, George Osvald scratched these words onto a coconut 
shell, hoping for an answer:
 On Friday 18 May 2007 02:54, M. Fioretti wrote:
  On Wed, May 16, 2007 12:10:46 PM -0700, James D. Parra
 
  ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   This is a good article;
  
   http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12212/53/
 
  Please, not again! Can it be good if it makes mistakes like this:
   Even if hypothetically there are patent infringements in the
   Linux kernel, then the open source community would do the right
   thing and remove the offending code
 
  You can write or believe this only if you confuse (or want to
  confuse) patents with copyright, which is a pretty dangerous thing
  to do with FOSS. Software patents (regardless of whether they have
  a reason to exist) protect specific algorithm and functionalities.
  Copyright only protects actual text, that is the specific
  _incarnation_ in C, C++ or whatever, of a certain algorithm.
 
  If you copy and paste proprietary source code in your program, it
  is a copyright violation: to fix it, you just cancel those lines of
  code, and rewrite new code which has different variable names, a
  different order of the flow diagram, etc... but implement the same
  algorithm. That's it.
 
  But if there is a patent on, say, the _mathematical_ _formulas_ or
  the abstract flow diagram which make the Linux kernel multitasking,
  you cannot remove the offending code, because what the patent
  forbids is any use of those algorithm and diagrams in any forms, no
  matter how you write the related code. The only way to remove the
  offending code of a patent is to STOP using that functionality.
 
  This has nothing to do with whether there are or not patent
  violations in Linux or any other GPL software. It's just a basic
  distinction which should not be forgotten, if nothing else to stop
  repeating absurdities like the one in that article, that is the
  illusion that you can cure a patent violation as painlessly as you
  cure a copyright one.
 
  Not to mention that:
   and, because open source development moves so rapidly, that means
   Linux would no longer be infringing before it even got to court.
 
  this would not change much for any individual or company found
  guilty of patent violations in the code they distributed until
  yesterday

 Well I am not a lawyer but I think there are problems with Microsoft
 claims. I think under US legal system damages can only be awarded if
 proper notice of the patent was given. Notice is given by the patent
 owner by marking the patented product with the designation
 patented, or the abbreviation pat., followed by the patent
 number. Such notice should be applied to the patented article or
 articles made by a patented process.
 The patent number would have to be included with every file of code
 they ever produced.
 Also since software patends are a fairly new thing they can not back
 date their claims to the beginning of Windows or even Linux.
 Furthermore it would be very hard to prove if Microsoft experienced
 any financial loss directly caused buy the patend infringements.

 Than again stranger things happened. I have been selling on line for
 a long time. A few years ago Some American company started accusing
 people selling on line of patend infringements. Apparently they owned
 a patend for online sales and everybody who sells using that method
 will have to pay royalties. When they contacted me I simply told them
 to f**k off but I heard that some gullible folk got conned into
 paying thousands of $.

 The main problem here is the patent office. Some years ago here in
 Australia some guy in Melbourne tested the idiotic system and applied
 for patent for a wheel. The patent has been granted.

I think it's been obvious for some time that being granted a patent 
and having something enforcable aren't the same thing at all. Once upon 
a time it was, but presently it seems our patent office is so 
overwhelmed, and we don't appear to have an Einstein there as some 
other lucky country did once. That they just stamp things as patented 
and let the courts sort it out. 

It will be interesting to see if the Supremes do something useful and 
sort the mess, as they have hinted they might. Perhaps having a 
young-(ish) Chief Justice who is  self IDed as a  geek  could work in 
favour of at least tightening what can and can not be patented. Seems 
it could be smart to copyright stuff tho. Maybe? or work toward the 
idea which works thusly in photography. The copyright is assumed as I 
click the shutter. 

Now my picture of Fuji san from the bullit train might appear to be one 
like many others, but it is different, as my eye and my hand made it. 
Others may make similar pics, but they wont make one exactly like mine, 
the time has passed.




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