Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Bernhard Walle wrote: * Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]: TeXlive No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not. The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary Software'? It was IMO *very* hidden that TeX is in it. And TeX users are not people that read the openSUSE news every few days ... +1 I'd add that from the list Andreas posted, TeX still has the best score (Sometimes: 17.6%, Often: 5.1% Very Often: 5.9%). Also, I haven't seen anyone in this thread missing any of the other three packages. Sure, opensuse-factory subscribers aren't a representative group either, but... :) Michal (occasional LaTeX user) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 20.11 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto: Most of the people I introduce to openSUSE complain about how long it takes to install and can't believe it takes an entire DVD just to get Linux running. This is not going to improve neither with the netinstall nor with the 1 CD install. Even Vista uses a DVD ;-) You still don't get the point. There won't be any additional LaTeX media. The proposal is to leave LaTeX only on the FTP repository. There would be if community members made one instead of demanding the devs to carry it on their backs. Being LaTeX a key package of any UNIX/Linux distribution for ages, noone felt the need to prepare it. The non-OSS software is on the DVD. You should know that. Only on the retail DVD, not the download DVD. Also on download non-OSS DVD (it's identical to the retail one, just split in two, one for each platform while the retail DVD is dual-layer). Put it in the Education Desktop repository and publicize it more..;) Hehe. The Edu repository is a great idea. But LaTeX is not only used in education. Check the CTAN usage statistics. Plus it's the one suggested by Novell developers to do reliable version upgrades. Another thing you should know. Only because they have to support the best option available today. Because network is not that reliable ;-) Just do some netinstall and you'll see even big servers like gwdg have issues. The complexity complaints your referring to are due to the clutter and confusion caused by supporting 4g of software most users don't even know what it is. I was referring to the complexity of the package manager interface, the need to manually add repositories and such. Software selection is not the issue, being the same on all major distributions. Then they must be buying the retail package aka boxed set, and it could easily include Add-on Cd's packaged according to intended use i.e. openSUSE for Schools, openSUSE for Architects , openSUSE thin client server, etc... Right, they should buy a box with the _whole_ distribution inside, or at least the greatest part of it. But it's contradictory to ask for TeX removal and then suggest to buy the box. About the various flavours of openSUSE, for now I think there's no market for all these kind of boxes. And I don't think it would help the management of the distribution that To conclude, using aka_druid's words, removing tex utils from the dvd will annoy academic users, and that's bad, period. :-) If we don't begin to separate software into categories with there own sources\media, we will soon have to ship a 500g HD just to get it all on the same disk. I agree in part. There are applications not used by a lot of people which are provided. If you consider TeX and sums the users who use it sometimes, often and very often you'll obtain something around 28%, which is not negligible. I'm not sure, but probably some development tool and some server are less used. Read my signature, I am an Education user and I am very aware of what my College\University peers are doing. Can many others here say the same? I'm an education user too. Regards, A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Saturday 07 July 2007 22:30:12 Bernhard Walle wrote: * Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]: TeXlive No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not. The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary Software'? It was IMO *very* hidden that TeX is in it. And TeX users are not people that read the openSUSE news every few days ... I agree ... removing the TeX distribution would in my opinion be a bad idea. Please consider not only people coming from Windows as the target of openSUSE but also people who have been using Unix for a long time, mostly in the academic segment. I'm sure there are KDE and GNOME toys on the CD which have less users. Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2007 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua: Maybe CTAN usage statistics can help the decision. Someone thinks noone uses LaTeX, but I think the numbers are interesting, considering it's a specific tool: http://www.ctan.org/usage/ftp/usage_200706.html To give an idea, in June 2007: Total Hits: 1675377 Hits per Hour - Avg: 2326 - Max: 14167 Visits per Day: Avg: 2799 - Max: 4359 KBytes per Day: Avg: 54182838 - Max: 95443318 Yeah, and most of these KBytes are spent by people downloading it for windows and MacOSX. And the question here is not if we make it impossible to use LaTeX for opensuse users. We discuss here if it takes a download or not to install it. And I don't think today's LaTeX users have a huge problem downloading it. Just as all these windows and MacOS users haven't. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE
Am Samstag 07 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: I'm sure there are KDE and GNOME toys on the CD which have less users. Definitly! But they might not take 300MB. In that sense TeX is far from being a toy. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
* Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 13:57]: Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2007 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua: Maybe CTAN usage statistics can help the decision. Someone thinks noone uses LaTeX, but I think the numbers are interesting, considering it's a specific tool: http://www.ctan.org/usage/ftp/usage_200706.html To give an idea, in June 2007: Total Hits: 1675377 Hits per Hour - Avg: 2326 - Max: 14167 Visits per Day: Avg: 2799 - Max: 4359 KBytes per Day: Avg: 54182838 - Max: 95443318 Yeah, and most of these KBytes are spent by people downloading it for windows and MacOSX. Yes, because Linux users download it from their distribution. And the question here is not if we make it impossible to use LaTeX for opensuse users. We discuss here if it takes a download or not to install it. And I don't think today's LaTeX users have a huge problem downloading it. Just as all these windows and MacOS users haven't. So why do we make a DVD at all? Just one CD for the installation and the rest can be downloaded from FTP. At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 14.11 +0200, Bernhard Walle ha scritto: At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? This is exactly my point of view. Regards, Alberto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 13.57 +0200, Stephan Kulow ha scritto: And the question here is not if we make it impossible to use LaTeX for opensuse users. We discuss here if it takes a download or not to install it. The question is quite clear. The reasons are not, at least to me. I don't think the survey is so representative to remove an application used somehow by 25% of users. Why this space is necessary? I mean, I know openSUSE switched to TeXLive, which is bigger than tetex. But are there other reasons for the increased need of space? How other distributions can provide TeX (fedora, mandriva, ...) on the DVD? With kind regards, A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE
Am Montag 09 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: So why do we make a DVD at all? Just one CD for the installation and the rest can be downloaded from FTP. At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? the user is pretty hard to grasp. And yes, if the user had to download all via FTP, it would be pointless to sell a DVD. But if roughly a third of users have to download tex when they need it, it sounds still like a good deal. And to avoid any kind of miscalculation: the DVD9 has two architectures. So you get 2 texlive versions with it - but most of tex is noarch and is shared between them. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Hi, On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 14.11 +0200, Bernhard Walle ha scritto: At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? This is exactly my point of view. Very much seconded. And the cost of an additional DVD would easily get compensated by a sticker everything included. Viele Grüße Eberhard Mönkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE
* Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 14:21]: Am Montag 09 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: So why do we make a DVD at all? Just one CD for the installation and the rest can be downloaded from FTP. At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? the user is pretty hard to grasp. And yes, if the user had to download all via FTP, it would be pointless to sell a DVD. But if roughly a third of users have to download tex when they need it, it sounds still like a good deal. So why do we have KOffice on the DVD? I don't think that KOffice is used by 1/3 of the openSUSE users. I never met people that use KOffice (except maybe here in the SUSE offices), but I met a lot that use TeX. And the fact that TeX Live needs a lot of DVD space is a reason *why* I want to see it included in the DVD that is in the box. It's not a problem to download a package of 10-20 MiB even with a weak internet connection. But it *is* for a package of 500 MiB. Even for DSL 2000 it's a bit annoying. Not a big problem, but annoying. Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Excellent idea. So long as they ARE available to those who need them, this sounds like a good all-around solution. Jonathon M. Robison ET, ITI There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary, and those who don't -Original Message- From: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:28 AM To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce: Hi, the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here: http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Surveys It shows that we ship on the media some software which is hardly used (e.g. PlanMaker, SEPsesam etc.). Software which is hardly used we don't neet to ship on our media. Therfor my suggestion is to drop some software totally and offer some software only via ftp. To be discussed on opensuse-project. Best Michael PS: The question on TexLive was confusing. TexLive is open source but we wanted to know the use of it as it needs meanwhile so much space. So, Michael and myself *propose* the following actions: * Remove ARCAD completely since it does not work at all on x86-64 (see bug #248873) * Offer software that reached either 80% on Never or less than 15 % on Often + Very often only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following software would be affected: Planmaker SEPsesam TextMaker TeXlive Moneyplex falls also under this role, due to its usecase we suggest to leave it on the media. What do you think? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the retail versions as possible should be the goal, And there are differences. check the bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282531 there are differences even the devs forget. my proposal is no dvd: cd1 kde or gnome base install cd2 OS extension, rest of yast and anything that could be called as an underlying dependency to an application. cd3 server applications i.e apache2,mysql,etc cd4 server applications that rely on cd3 cdx0 more server applications cdX1 desktop applications, this could be more than one cd if catagories demand the space. It could also include the EDU-CD cdX2 non-oss cdX3 etc This way a person downloading would only need to choose the desktop and what they want to accomplish beyond that. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Newmarket,NH http://en.opensuse.org/Education let's make a difference - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 09.46 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto: I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the retail versions as possible should be the goal, And there are differences. check the bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282531 there are differences even the devs forget. my proposal is no dvd: cd1 kde or gnome base install cd2 OS extension, rest of yast and anything that could be called as an underlying dependency to an application. cd3 server applications i.e apache2,mysql,etc cd4 server applications that rely on cd3 cdx0 more server applications cdX1 desktop applications, this could be more than one cd if catagories demand the space. It could also include the EDU-CD cdX2 non-oss cdX3 etc This way a person downloading would only need to choose the desktop and what they want to accomplish beyond that. To be honest, it seems to me the proliferation of CD's and it doesn't solve the problem. The user would have to download 1 CD and almost surely multiples CD's due to dependencies. I'd stick with one DVD with the current configuration and eventually _reduce_ the number of media by removing the 1-5 CD set, which I don't think is widely used. In other words: - _FULL_ DVD for both architecture - 1 CD install for GNOME and KDE With kind regards, Alberto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] what happened to factory?
Hello, What happened to factory? It has not seen an update for more than a week. And it can't even be installed, as gpg is missing from the installer... Bye, CzP - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE
Bernhard Walle schrieb: * Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 14:21]: Am Montag 09 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: So why do we make a DVD at all? Just one CD for the installation and the rest can be downloaded from FTP. At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? the user is pretty hard to grasp. And yes, if the user had to download all via FTP, it would be pointless to sell a DVD. But if roughly a third of users have to download tex when they need it, it sounds still like a good deal. So why do we have KOffice on the DVD? I don't think that KOffice is used by 1/3 of the openSUSE users. I never met people that use KOffice (except maybe here in the SUSE offices), but I met a lot that use TeX. And the fact that TeX Live needs a lot of DVD space is a reason *why* I want to see it included in the DVD that is in the box. It's not a problem to download a package of 10-20 MiB even with a weak internet connection. But it *is* for a package of 500 MiB. Even for DSL 2000 it's a bit annoying. Not a big problem, but annoying. I think the openSUSE version of TeXlive could be splitted into small packages, like Debian does. They have: 28 packages concerning languages (texlive-lang) 13 packages extra (texlive-extra) 22 packages with documentation in different languages (texlive-doc) 10 binary packages (texlive-bin) 12 meta-packages for different subsets of all above Perhaps not all packages can make it onto the DVD and some more esoteric ones are only within the repository. So, it does not necessarily need the whole 500MB on the DVD. But I'd be very disappointed, if TeX/LaTeX would be available only via ftp. Best regards, Thomas Leineweber - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] what happened to factory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Czanik escribió: Hello, What happened to factory? It has not seen an update for more than a week. And it can't even be installed, as gpg is missing from the installer... Bye, CzP - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi,same here... I think gpg it was changed with gpg2 Bye - -- Chema Ollés Usuario Linux: #198057 openSUSE 10.3 (i586) Alpha5 kernel-2.6.22-rc5-git5-2-default #1 SMP 2007/06/21 22:30:31 UTC i686 GNU/Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGknzZm5lTdgS9W18RAl4VAJ4tmc1izbP2cZRPyv8WuEtNPi03iQCdEDE+ iaUfquharkMjOhjIK7Yepys= =9sNh -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Results of survey
Question was: So why do we have KOffice on the DVD? koffice is needed by kmymoney. Because likdchart is in koffice Another words - dependences for at least one example. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 16:20 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 09.46 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto: I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the retail versions as possible should be the goal, And there are differences. check the bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282531 there are differences even the devs forget. my proposal is no dvd: cd1 kde or gnome base install cd2 OS extension, rest of yast and anything that could be called as an underlying dependency to an application. cd3 server applications i.e apache2,mysql,etc cd4 server applications that rely on cd3 cdx0 more server applications cdX1 desktop applications, this could be more than one cd if catagories demand the space. It could also include the EDU-CD cdX2 non-oss cdX3 etc This way a person downloading would only need to choose the desktop and what they want to accomplish beyond that. To be honest, it seems to me the proliferation of CD's and it doesn't solve the problem. The user would have to download 1 CD and almost surely multiples CD's due to dependencies. I'd stick with one DVD with the current configuration and eventually _reduce_ the number of media by removing the 1-5 CD set, which I don't think is widely used. In other words: - _FULL_ DVD for both architecture - 1 CD install for GNOME and KDE Those people you advocate for with slow or limited internet connections are likely to still have a CD-Rom drive not a DVD drive. They may even only have a pII\pIII as well. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Newmarket,NH http://en.opensuse.org/Education let's make a difference - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Downloaded OpenOffice and Alpha5
Hey Group; In Alpha5 what would cause a previous and today downloaded OpenOffice.tar.gz not to unzip. Using either tar -xzvf or straight gunzip. I get a failed invalid compressed-data format error At first I thought I had a bad ooo.tar.gz so I downloaded it again. SuSE supplied gzip-1.3.12-15 Open Office OOo_2.2.1_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz Any ideas -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 Did you know? The transistor was invented by three white men. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Downloaded OpenOffice and Alpha5
Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group; In Alpha5 what would cause a previous and today downloaded OpenOffice.tar.gz not to unzip. Using either tar -xzvf or straight gunzip. I get a failed invalid compressed-data format error At first I thought I had a bad ooo.tar.gz so I downloaded it again. SuSE supplied gzip-1.3.12-15 Open Office OOo_2.2.1_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz Any ideas Furthermore gzip-1.3.12.tar.gz fails to compile properly failing on a /usr/include/ system headers. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 Did you know? The transistor was invented by three white men. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Downloaded OpenOffice and Alpha5
Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group; In Alpha5 what would cause a previous and today downloaded OpenOffice.tar.gz not to unzip. Using either tar -xzvf or straight gunzip. I get a failed invalid compressed-data format error At first I thought I had a bad ooo.tar.gz so I downloaded it again. SuSE supplied gzip-1.3.12-15 Open Office OOo_2.2.1_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz Any ideas Furthermore gzip-1.3.12.tar.gz fails to compile properly failing on a /usr/include/ system headers. Number 3 try - (alternate method) I downloaded OOo_2.2.1_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz for the third time. As a test I opened it with Ark Zipper then exported to a directory. Then cp -R to a place (/mnt/sda10/o/OOo} that I do all of this kind of stuff. I then did as OO suggested and cleared unwanted rpms then did -Uvih RPM/open*.rpm. And it worked. I must conclude the problem is with either tar or gzip. Ark Zipper and RPM worked. A fresh version of gzip will not compile. when run directly gzip errors out in the same place. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 Did you know? The transistor was invented by three white men. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] what happened to factory?
Peter Czanik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, What happened to factory? It has not seen an update for more than a week. And it can't even be installed, as gpg is missing from the installer... We hit a couple of bugs - and add one time were too fast and therefore the scripts never finished. In the end it was a problem with building OOo which is now fixed. factory is currently updated with fresh rpms for all architectures and should sync out in the next hours. gpg2 is now in the installer - I hope all other problems are fixed as well and we did not introduce new ones ;-) Sorry for this delay - I should have informed you, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpAAtxR1FLJ2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
On Monday 09 July 2007 12:39, Hans Linux wrote: ubuntu is quite tempting :D i would like to hv it install on my laptop. currently i have dual boot for my Vista and SUSE already. Is it OK for me to install ubuntu to have triple boot? would ubuntu set triple boot automatically, or i hv to edit manually some menu list? anyone experience this before? Hello Hans, Sure. Just make sure you install Ubuntu on a separate partitions. No partition magic mambo jambo please. Use the true-and-proven fdisk. And the install sequence: Xp first (always first), then Opensuse/Ubuntu (doesn't matter). I have it install on my notebook OK: Xp, Opensuse, Ubuntu. Ubuntu or Opensuse will recognize each other's bootloader and adjust the grub entry accordingly. Superb! -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 1:12pm up 3:01, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org pgpQaeDwTbPzv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] speaking of cloning....
Dne Wednesday 04 July 2007 23:07:34 James Tremblay napsal(a): How does on build an image for and what tools does one need to clone a master image to a lab? If the simple copying of an image leaves you with an unbootable system and even a tool like ACRONIS leaves you with tasks what then does one do? Is there a set of commands like sysprep for creating a master? Is there a guide? -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Newmarket,NH http://en.opensuse.org/Education let's make a difference I read this interesting thread and i want to give you my 2` cents. For purpose booting many computers with same (similar) image and for updating them we use special process in NLPOS9. We boot standard system (small kernel with small initrd) from PXE/DHCP and than download working image over ftp. Then we unpack this working image and chroot in it. All configurations are done off-line, when image is prepared. After every boot we can ensure updated and prepared environment. Images could be build with kiwi [1] For more information about NLPOS9 [2] - 1.1 Architecture overview [1] - http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI [2] - http://www.novell.com/documentation/nlpos9/pdfdoc/nlpos9_install/nlpos9_install.pdf -- Pavel Nemec Software Engineer - SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 284 028 981 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 296 542 374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz - HACK WEEK http://idea.opensuse.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
On 2007/07/09 13:13 (GMT+0700) Fajar Priyanto apparently typed: On Monday 09 July 2007 12:39 (GMT+0700), Hans Linux wrote: ubuntu is quite tempting :D Why do you think so? It has a whole bunch of different CD you need to choose from according to which desktop environment you want (Gnome, KDE, XFCE), and whether your installation will require advanced install features. Ubuntu is a Debian, which makes it quite a bit different from SUSE. If you really want some other distro, and I can't imagine why a SUSE user would, try another RPM distro, like Mandriva or Fedora. i would like to hv it install on my laptop. currently i have dual boot for my Vista and SUSE already. Is it OK for me to install ubuntu to have triple boot? would ubuntu set triple boot automatically, or i hv to edit manually some menu list? anyone experience this before? Sure. Just make sure you install Ubuntu on a separate partitions. No partition magic mambo jambo please. Use the true-and-proven fdisk. And the install sequence: Xp first (always first), He already has 2, so it's not like he has a choice. However, it's really dumb to tell people to *always* install windoz first, as windoz is the only system that periodically requires reinstalling, and you *can't* install it *first* after Linux is already installed without wiping things out to do it. Installing doz first IS NOT NECESSARY!!! In many cases, it isn't even desirable. It merely requires some understanding of what to do and what not to do in order to avoid booby traps. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/install-doz-after.html -- All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteoousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 12:39 +0700, Hans Linux wrote: ubuntu is quite tempting :D i would like to hv it install on my laptop. currently i have dual boot for my Vista and SUSE already. Is it OK for me to install ubuntu to have triple boot? would ubuntu set triple boot automatically, or i hv to edit manually some menu list? anyone experience this before? My main system is quintuple boot, and I have SuSE handle the booting. I just did not care for XP's, Ubuntu, or LinuxXP's booting screen/options. I'd suggest that you have your normal OS of choice handle booting, as this is the one that you will keep on hand the longest. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
ubuntu is quite tempting :D Why do you think so? It has a whole bunch of different CD you need to choose from according to which desktop environment you want (Gnome, KDE, XFCE), and whether your installation will require advanced install features. And SUSE doesn't have several CDs and/or DVDs? You're not keeping up with what is happening in opensuse-factory I take it :-) In addition to the usual DVD and 6 CD set (for 10.3), there is also now a KDE specific install CD, and a Gnome specific install CD. Kinda sounds like Kubuntu and Ubuntu to me. It makes sense. Why download Gnome if you don't like it (ie the entire 6CD or DVD set) and all you need is the 1 CD KDE (or Gnome) version (or vice versa) and a connection to the Repositories? Ubuntu is a Debian, which makes it quite a bit different from SUSE. It's not that different. OK, based on deb not rpm, but... so? What difference does that make in the proverbial grand scheme of things? (other than that some files are not in the places you may be used to.. eg apache is not in /srv/www, it's in /var for some reason). OK, you can't (easily) install a SUSE built RPM on Ubuntu... but.. they have a huge repository of software (larger than openSUSE's in terms of volume/numbers) built for Ubuntu. Once it's installed, on a day to day use basis it's still Linux... it does all the same things as openSUSE. It even does some things far better - repository package management being the number one thing that Ubuntu really does well... and where openSUSE lags far behind. (my opinion of course, but also why several friends of mine I converted over to SUSE over the years have dropped SUSE in favor of Ubuntu for desktop use) One thing really worth noting about Ubuntu (and it's variations) is, that it really suffers for a lack of a decent system config tool like YAST. We like to complain about YAST until we're blue in the face, but once it's gone, you suddenly discover how much you used YAST, or at least appreciated YAST. I've triple booted and more on my computer. It works fine - the Ubuntu installer will find the other OSes installed and create GRUB entries for them. Just be aware that the last Linux installed will (usually) be the one who supplies the boot manager (GRUB usually). If you prefer the openSUSE GRUB, boot to openSUSE, edit GRUB to add in the details for the new install, and rewrite openSUSE's GRUB in place of the new Linux install's boot manager. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] speaking of cloning....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pavel Nemec wrote: Dne Wednesday 04 July 2007 23:07:34 James Tremblay napsal(a): How does on build an image for and what tools does one need to clone a master image to a lab? snip I read this interesting thread and i want to give you my 2` cents. For purpose booting many computers with same (similar) image and for updating them we use special process in NLPOS9. We boot standard system (small kernel with small initrd) from PXE/DHCP and than download working image over ftp. Then we unpack this working image and chroot in it. All configurations are done off-line, when image is prepared. After every boot we can ensure updated and prepared environment. Images could be build with kiwi [1] For more information about NLPOS9 [2] - 1.1 Architecture overview [1] - http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI [2] - http://www.novell.com/documentation/nlpos9/pdfdoc/nlpos9_install/nlpos9_install.pdf -- Very interesting... I have worked with remote boot with Netware/DOS in the past and it worked well until Windows 95 made life difficult. I had a little trouble with getting the pdf for [2] (connection kept locking), but the html based docs were informative. I was unaware of this (but thats Novells Marketting for you :-) ) but it is technology one should be aware of for serious educational or corporate use. Pavel Nemec Software Engineer - SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 284 028 981 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 296 542 374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz - HACK WEEK http://idea.opensuse.org/ - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkeu1asN0sSnLmgIRAjH7AKCp2lcwQm9uAk3WT598bbixpwfE0QCfYx44 POO3AnKsic4qCfEXg0FFZoo= =sETX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Is the list OK ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon July 9 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: Hi,Bob My name is Kikyo and Japanese. My local time(JST), so I think something is different. I received total 83 messeages since the day before yesterday(July,7). Only the day before yesterday, I received 27 messeages. Yesterday, I received 37 messeages. Today, I received 20 messeages include your message. I think sorry this resolut is not your local time. I think it's summer most folks take part of day to just enjoy summer, no? At least one should , IMNSHO ;-) otherwise what's the point of it. UK comment ... What summer??? :-) - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkeypasN0sSnLmgIRAgOoAKCcYzeqV2bYWyg0HiBV+B3TncDkkgCfVW5l /jrPY7Pqtb3up9dCzwNuuHw= =aXO8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] can't have my USB detected by VMware
why i can't get my USB interface detected by guest OS on my VMware? If i plug my flash disk to my system, only my host (SUSE) can detect it, but not my guest OS. I try to enable it from menu VM - Removable Devices - USB devices, but it shows nothing. I do have USB device on the setting (USB device present) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] can't have my USB detected by VMware
Original Message From: Hans Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon 09 Jul 2007 18:45:02 EST why i can't get my USB interface detected by guest OS on my VMware? If i plug my flash disk to my system, only my host (SUSE) can detect it, but not my guest OS. I try to enable it from menu VM - Removable Devices - USB devices, but it shows nothing. I do have USB device on the setting (USB device present) More version info would be helpful, but before starting VMWare open a su terminal and type: mount -t usbfs /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb If this works, you can recompile your kernel to restore the usb functionality used by VMWare. that SuSE removed. Search the list archives for more details. HTH Dave signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Network settings
Very generic question... what is the easiest way to quickly get all the current network info? ie ipaddress, gateway, dns servers etc I have used ifconfig, net and route, but can't seem to find one tool that will tell it all (sorry about the comparison, but like ipconfig /all in win) John. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Network settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John wrote: Very generic question... what is the easiest way to quickly get all the current network info? ie ipaddress, gateway, dns servers etc I have used ifconfig, net and route, but can't seem to find one tool that will tell it all (sorry about the comparison, but like ipconfig /all in win) John. ifstatus network device - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkgejasN0sSnLmgIRAjjdAKDblstNzkKxQVv8bIP58pJYEgFzVQCeLm4b PgmjZGVEBgxB/jpPa43zrZM= =28jT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] speaking of cloning....
2007/7/9, Pavel Nemec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We boot standard system (small kernel with small initrd) from PXE/DHCP and than download working image over ftp. Then we unpack this working image and chroot in it. All configurations are done off-line, when image is prepared. Nice! I didn't know about that project. Redhat had a similar project called statless linux. The main idea was to separate program and configuration files which are static, from dynamic system files (like in /var and in /tmp) and user files. This way they could mount root filesystem read only and one image could be shared among many clients. And one can install it either on hard disk, on CD(DVD), USB key or mount it as a NFS share. My personal opinion is that separation like this should be in the mainstream distribution in the first place. It makes cloning a lot easier. But dynamic files (/etc/mtab is the first example that comes to mind) kreept into parts of filesystem which are not meant to be dynamic. Files like this make liveCD-s and diskless clients dificult to prepare and update. Tools like unionfs would not be necessary if there was clear separation. System images made with KIWI are targeted for read-only media, so the separation of static and dynamic files is already there. That is why I find it suitable for system cloning. Of course for instalation on hard disk one does not need compresion and instead of building compressed image one could just make root filesystem tree and untar it. You could easily update the image and cloning would then just consist of taring the / again (and maybe /home and /srv). Wiki page on cloning seems very good Idea to me. Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] can't have my USB detected by VMware
On Monday 09 July 2007, Dave Barton wrote: Original Message From: Hans Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon 09 Jul 2007 18:45:02 EST why i can't get my USB interface detected by guest OS on my VMware? If i plug my flash disk to my system, only my host (SUSE) can detect it, but not my guest OS. I try to enable it from menu VM - Removable Devices - USB devices, but it shows nothing. I do have USB device on the setting (USB device present) More version info would be helpful, but before starting VMWare open a su terminal and type: mount -t usbfs /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb If this works, you can recompile your kernel to restore the usb functionality used by VMWare. that SuSE removed. Search the list archives for more details. Actually the later kernels have this restored already. And I can attest that it works. Just update to the latest kernel. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Network settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 G T Smith wrote: John wrote: Very generic question... what is the easiest way to quickly get all the current network info? ie ipaddress, gateway, dns servers etc I have used ifconfig, net and route, but can't seem to find one tool that will tell it all (sorry about the comparison, but like ipconfig /all in win) John. ifstatus network device oops to get DNS config as well. ifstatus network device ; cat /etc/resolv.conf should cover most cases... - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkg1masN0sSnLmgIRAqbrAJ9viXK378+j/0Q8cS0tI70lD4n5AACfX/yj wEduC8rIZPu908UWcxdAQzw= =EI8N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
Hans Linux wrote: ubuntu is quite tempting :D i would like to hv it install on my laptop. currently i have dual boot for my Vista and SUSE already. Is it OK for me to install ubuntu to have triple boot? would ubuntu set triple boot automatically, or i hv to edit manually some menu list? anyone experience this before? It should be possible to do that, though I have no idea if Ubuntu will find all bootable systems. If it doesn't, it's not hard to add them. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
Felix Miata wrote: Installing doz first IS NOT NECESSARY!!! In many cases, it isn't even desirable. It merely requires some understanding of what to do and what not to do in order to avoid booby traps. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/install-doz-after.html Some installs from a recovery partition blow away *EVERYTHING* on the disk. If you've got one of those, there's no way to install Linux first and have it there after the Windows intall. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: can't have my USB detected by VMware
On Monday 09 July 2007 10:45, Hans Linux wrote: why i can't get my USB interface detected by guest OS on my VMware? If i plug my flash disk to my system, only my host (SUSE) can detect it, but not my guest OS. I try to enable it from menu VM - Removable Devices - USB devices, but it shows nothing. I do have USB device on the setting (USB device present) Hi Hans, I have the same problem. What I found is that the VMware USB driver is for only two ports. My motherboard has 8 ports and my chip reader (for my camera) is on port 7 or 8 ( I would have to open the box to see which). Which means that VMware can not see this USB. So if possible you could try to move the USB wires to port 1 or 2 on your motherboard and see if that helps. Hope this helps, JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 Ebay ID: WartHogBulletin -- WartHog Bulletin Info about new German Stamps http://www.WartHogBulletin.de Many Enemies -- Much Honor! Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection http://www.manyenemies-muchhonor.info An American in Bavaria http://www.gaubodengalerie.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Is the list OK ?
Mon, 09 Jul 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon July 9 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: Hi,Bob My name is Kikyo and Japanese. My local time(JST), so I think something is different. I received total 83 messeages since the day before yesterday(July,7). Only the day before yesterday, I received 27 messeages. Yesterday, I received 37 messeages. Today, I received 20 messeages include your message. I think sorry this resolut is not your local time. I think it's summer most folks take part of day to just enjoy summer, no? At least one should , IMNSHO ;-) otherwise what's the point of it. UK comment ... What summer??? :-) The one I was enjoying in the Pyrenees last week. 30 deg C, nice looking French and Spanish waitresses, beautiful roads (specially the N114/N260 from Port Vendres to Llanca) and views (like Cap de Crues and Gorges du Galamus). Of course as soon as I was nearing mid-France yesterday at Limoges I was hit by a raging waterfall from above, and now I'm sitting inside again, with temperatures of only 17 C outside :-|. Theo -- Theo v. WerkhovenRegistered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 10.2 + Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kernel 2.6.18 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Question for openSUSE installation disk space. [SOLVED]
Hi!!! :-) Finally, after A LOT of searching, I realized that it was a BIOS related error! My BIOS (6yo) can't properly recognize my IDE 230GB disk. Elite hasn't any BIOS updates and Ontrack utility (from WD site) for LBA support in older BIOSes, worked for me ONLY for 1 OS installed at disk. Seems like I have to buy a PCI hard disk controller (not a PCI express, since I don't have such slots) :-) , which it comes with its own BIOS (bypassing motherboard BIOS). Meanwhille, I connected as 2nd, an older hard disk (10GB) and I installed openSUSE there. GRUB and GAG worked properly. From now on, I have to read a number of manuals and keep practising. :-) THANKS AGAIN for your help!!! Giorgos. :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Is the list OK ?
On Monday 09 July 2007 04:28, Bob S wrote: Hi SuSE people, Is the list OK ? The day before yesterday I only received a total of 12 messages. Yesterday received only 18. Today I received only 43. Just me? Bob S. I think it is fine. I have my list folder set to autoexpire messages after 6 months, and for about 3 weeks now, I have noticed a daily reduction in the number of messages it holds. I think that beyond it being summer, there are 2 factors at work: 1] 10.2 seems to be a good release, so folk are having relatively few issues, and we are a fair way into the release cycle 2] Because of spam, I think people are less likely to sign up to and remain with email based lists such as this - preferring to use web based bulletin boards. Certainly, when I move house shortly, and change ISP, I won't sign up in the way I used to. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Question for openSUSE installation disk space. [SOLVED]
Giorgos wrote: Hi!!! :-) Finally, after A LOT of searching, I realized that it was a BIOS related error! My BIOS (6yo) can't properly recognize my IDE 230GB disk. Elite hasn't any BIOS updates and Ontrack utility (from WD site) for LBA support in older BIOSes, worked for me ONLY for 1 OS installed at disk. Seems like I have to buy a PCI hard disk controller (not a PCI express, since I don't have such slots) :-) , which it comes with its own BIOS (bypassing motherboard BIOS). Meanwhille, I connected as 2nd, an older hard disk (10GB) and I installed openSUSE there. GRUB and GAG worked properly. From now on, I have to read a number of manuals and keep practising. :-) THANKS AGAIN for your help!!! Giorgos. :-) Hi, Linux generally does not care about what your Bios thinks of your harddisk. It handles the harddisk management entirely by itself, after the OS is started, that is. Btw. modern Windows Versons do control the harddiskmanagement by themselves, as well. So: In order to use your 230GB disk, just use your older disk to store /boot and then use the larger, faster disk for the rest of it. Should your Bios recognize your disk somehow but erratically (i.e. way to small), you can also use the smaller disk for /boot and make use of the remaining space from Linux. Surely, an additional PCI controller could be faster, at least sometimes ;-)), but it is not needed. regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Question for openSUSE installation disk space. [SOLVED]
Eberhard Roloff wrote: Giorgos wrote: Hi!!! :-) Finally, after A LOT of searching, I realized that it was a BIOS related error! My BIOS (6yo) can't properly recognize my IDE 230GB disk. Elite hasn't any BIOS updates and Ontrack utility (from WD site) for LBA support in older BIOSes, worked for me ONLY for 1 OS installed at disk. Seems like I have to buy a PCI hard disk controller (not a PCI express, since I don't have such slots) :-) , which it comes with its own BIOS (bypassing motherboard BIOS). Meanwhille, I connected as 2nd, an older hard disk (10GB) and I installed openSUSE there. GRUB and GAG worked properly. From now on, I have to read a number of manuals and keep practising. :-) THANKS AGAIN for your help!!! Giorgos. :-) Hi, Linux generally does not care about what your Bios thinks of your harddisk. It handles the harddisk management entirely by itself, after the OS is started, that is. Btw. modern Windows Versons do control the harddiskmanagement by themselves, as well. So: In order to use your 230GB disk, just use your older disk to store /boot and then use the larger, faster disk for the rest of it. Should your Bios recognize your disk somehow but erratically (i.e. way to small), you can also use the smaller disk for /boot and make use of the remaining space from Linux. Surely, an additional PCI controller could be faster, at least sometimes ;-)), but it is not needed. regards Eberhard I forgot: Smart Boot Manager is also suitable to handle such things. Have a look here: http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/download.html regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Is the list OK ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-07-09 at 13:56 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: UK comment ... What summer??? :-) The one I was enjoying in the Pyrenees last week. 30 deg C, nice looking French and Spanish waitresses, beautiful roads (specially the N114/N260 from Port Vendres to Llanca) and views (like Cap de Crues and Gorges du Galamus). Of course as soon as I was nearing mid-France yesterday at Limoges I was hit by a raging waterfall from above, and now I'm sitting inside again, with temperatures of only 17 C outside :-|. And I'm sitting, about 800Km south of your vacation point, with an inside temperature of 29C (a mild afternoon), and wishing I had those 17C of yours :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGkj1WtTMYHG2NR9URAilfAJsGaM+lO5VjTVhjSuJGmkCaHHpKcwCeOxAg DsjJERF3/0a7MPrK6A4DciE= =eTjZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] second client alongside kmail, all using same mail folders
Hi all, this is probably too simple or too complicated. Either way, I'd like to have your feedback: Due to problems with inline forwarding multithreaded mails in kmail 1.9.6 (see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141301) I am not longer able to maintain a majordomo mailing list the way I had been doing this the last few years. Downgrading is no option since there seem to be a few missing but necessary dependencies between the suse rpm packages of the different kde versions, with the effect that after a downgrade of kdepim alone I am no longer able to use konqueror. So what I am thinking about is to use an email cient alongside kmail (which I'd like to keep), which has access only to the majordomo messages stored in a specific folder, and which is simple enough for forwarding the textbased majordomo messages. It wouldn't be used for anything else. Ah, not to forget: kmail stores its mails in maildir format. Thanks for your response. Guido -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
On 2007/07/09 07:19 (GMT-0400) James Knott apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: Installing doz first IS NOT NECESSARY!!! In many cases, it isn't even desirable. It merely requires some understanding of what to do and what not to do in order to avoid booby traps. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/install-doz-after.html Some installs from a recovery partition blow away *EVERYTHING* on the disk. If you've got one of those, there's no way to install Linux first and have it there after the Windows intall. I think most of those blow away everything, but I also think it's a stretch to call any of those an install. What those really are is an OEM configuration recovery, and I have yet to hear of a multiboot OEM configuration. Good that you pointed this out, something I didn't think of when writing that page, and needs to be mentioned. -- All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteoousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
On 2007/07/09 09:46 (GMT+0200) Clayton apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: ubuntu is quite tempting :D Why do you think so? It has a whole bunch of different CD you need to choose from according to which desktop environment you want (Gnome, KDE, XFCE), and whether your installation will require advanced install features. And SUSE doesn't have several CDs and/or DVDs? You're not keeping up with what is happening in opensuse-factory I take it :-) In addition I was going by what comes in the latest available retail box, and I did mean per architecture. Factory I install via HTTP. ;-) to the usual DVD and 6 CD set (for 10.3), there is also now a KDE specific install CD, and a Gnome specific install CD. Kinda sounds like Kubuntu and Ubuntu to me. It makes sense. Why download Gnome if It makes for confusion among nOObs trying to make an intelligent choice. In *buntu there aren't just architectures and desktops to choose from, but also certain other installation options are only available in either the standards or the alternates but not both. you don't like it (ie the entire 6CD or DVD set) and all you need is the 1 CD KDE (or Gnome) version (or vice versa) and a connection to the Repositories? Actually once you have an OS installed on a system, you don't need anything but an installation kernel, installation initrd, and something that can load them - no iso or CD or DVD is necessary, so I rarely have need to download or burn them. Ubuntu is a Debian, which makes it quite a bit different from SUSE. It's not that different. OK, based on deb not rpm, but... so? What difference does that make in the proverbial grand scheme of things? While that's certainly a consequential difference, it's hardly the only thing I was referring to. Debians dump everything but single into runlevel 2, which can make a number of otherwise simple troubleshooting and configuration tasks more vexing. You can't drop from runlevel 5 to runlevel 3 to halt a broken X. You can't drop to runlevel 2 to kill all networking. You can't feed a grub prompt a 3 to prevent X from starting on boot. Try and figure out what they substitute for chkconfig. I haven't found anything yet. (other than that some files are not in the places you may be used to.. eg apache is not in /srv/www, it's in /var for some reason). Duh! Once it's installed, on a day to day use basis it's still Linux... it does all the same things as openSUSE. It even does some things far better - repository package management being the number one thing that Ubuntu really does well... and where openSUSE lags far behind. (my opinion of course, but also why several friends of mine I converted over to SUSE over the years have dropped SUSE in favor of Ubuntu for desktop use) How do their users use a command line to locate a particular package they don't know the name of? With such helpful repository directory names as 1, b, 3, d, etc. it can take quite a bit of time to hunt down and fetch a package compared to looking in distribution/version/repo/type/suse/arch/ with mc ftp. One thing really worth noting about Ubuntu (and it's variations) is, that it really suffers for a lack of a decent system config tool like YAST. We like to complain about YAST until we're blue in the face, but once it's gone, you suddenly discover how much you used YAST, or at least appreciated YAST. Not an inconsequential reason why I replied to the OP. Buntu's Adept GUI package manager should be named inept, and smart isn't a characteristic I'd apply to its Smart GUI. I've triple booted and more on my computer. It works fine - the All mine except a few old clunkers are multiboot. Most have more than 2 OS installed, many more than 6. Ubuntu installer will find the other OSes installed and create GRUB entries for them. Just be aware that the last Linux installed will (usually) be the one who supplies the boot manager (GRUB usually). If That's an unfortunate circumstance of most Linux installers, which assume unnecessarily that the best place to install a boot loader is the MBR. you prefer the openSUSE GRUB, boot to openSUSE, edit GRUB to add in the details for the new install, and rewrite openSUSE's GRUB in place of the new Linux install's boot manager. Unlike some installers, at least Buntu's will permit you to install no bootloader. Once you've got Grub installed in a suitable place (an active primary partition), there should be no need for anything but you to touch it, and only menu.lst at that. -- All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteoousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] using mailing list with Evolution
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 21:43 +0200, Timo Hoenig wrote: On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 13:47 -0400, James Tremblay wrote: Thank you If you are longing for more shortcuts, have a look at * http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/keys.shtml Timo Looks incomplete no ctrlE for expunging deleted messages. Nothing about move or copy of messages and I note the newer version under 10.0 does not have global garbage collect. Is there a better list? -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ || | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Random Task Bar Lockups - More info
Jim Sabatke wrote: I'm running 10.2 and having a problem with seemingly random taskbar lockups. When it happens I can use any application that isn't minimized, but once minimized, I can't get it back. I was using the vanilla X driver when it started; then I loaded the NVidia driver and it's still happening. Google hasn't been much help here. Any thoughts? Jim I found that when the task bar locks up, my home directory also locks up. It won't display any files and just hangs. I rebooted so I could see my directory again, copied my home files to another disk, and reformatted the /home disk. So far the problem hasn't returned, but I haven't stressed the system much. I'm thinking I either have a bad disk or a reiser file system problem. Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
It makes for confusion among nOObs trying to make an intelligent choice. Most (in my experience) simply go for the vanilla Ubuntu. Those that know enough to make a choice usually have enough information available to actually make that choice without the confusion. :-) *buntu there aren't just architectures and desktops to choose from, but also certain other installation options are only available in either the standards or the alternates but not both. H didn't know that. I simply went with the Cds I picked up at trade shows... or downloaded. thing I was referring to. Debians dump everything but single into runlevel 2, which can make a number of otherwise simple troubleshooting and Ok, that explains a lot of the issues I was having with Ubuntu. :-P and why I eventually got fed up and relegated it to a VirtualBox instance. How do their users use a command line to locate a particular package they Do they? The target audience for Ubuntu is definitely not the same as SUSE aims for. SUSE is at a higher level of expertise and use. SUSE is fine for a desktop, but also does a great job on the server and enterprise level. Ubuntu doesn't do so well there. I haven't yet run into a full time Ubuntu user who spends time on the command line tinkering with his or her package management. Its Synaptic only It's interesting to hear your take on the drawbacks of Ubuntu. I hadn't got so far with it as to want to tinker in the various run levels or CLI package management.. (stuff I do with SUSE from time to time). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] second client alongside kmail, all using same mail folders
* Guido Pinkernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-09-07 12:04]: So what I am thinking about is to use an email cient alongside kmail (which I'd like to keep), which has access only to the majordomo messages stored in a specific folder, and which is simple enough for forwarding the textbased majordomo messages. It wouldn't be used for anything else. Ah, not to forget: kmail stores its mails in maildir format. mutt will do this mutt -f /specific_folder but it is not guiey and doesn't use the mouse :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] can't have my USB detected by VMware
Actually the later kernels have this restored already. And I can attest that it works. Just update to the latest kernel. Does this apply to Suse 10.1 as well? Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] second client alongside kmail, all using same mail folders
Am Montag, 9. Juli 2007 schrieb Patrick Shanahan: * Guido Pinkernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-09-07 12:04]: So what I am thinking about is to use an email cient alongside kmail (which I'd like to keep), which has access only to the majordomo messages stored in a specific folder, and which is simple enough for forwarding the textbased majordomo messages. It wouldn't be used for anything else. Ah, not to forget: kmail stores its mails in maildir format. mutt will do this mutt -f /specific_folder Thanks, I will give it a try. Though muttrc needs a few specifications to be able to read the mailfolders created by kmail. My first try wasn't successful (Mutt: [path] isn't a mailbox.). Doesn't matter much, help is at hand: http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Maildir but it is not guiey and doesn't use the mouse :^) Ah well, sometimes the mouse is allowed to have some rest. I love animals. Thanks again, Patrick Guido -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Open Office Database Files, cifs and samba
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In rebuilding my machine after a crash I decided to try out mounting with cifs from samba, to avoid having to load both NFS and samba. I have hit a rather peculiar problem. When opening various Openoffice Database odb files that include queries and forms I find that the Forms and queries have disappeared and the database connection information goes awol. After various experiments I have found this happens when the odb file is stored to the cifs mount but not when I store the odb on the local file system. Documents seem to load and save without corruption (I have not checked other things yet). These worked without problem from a NFS mount before, and so far this only issue with the cifs mount I have found, but for me it is a bit of a showstopper. So far copying the the original odb files across directly from the cifs mount generates no problems, but I do not want to store these files locally. I have come across no references to this particular problem in searching. My samba config is now not entirely sane with the various things I have tried out and before I ditch the idea as unworkable, I am just wondering whether anyone else has come across this, and if so did they fix it (and how)?. - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkqSEasN0sSnLmgIRAte/AJ4wWbt1w5tPqXxMO7irex+NT5kTrwCdHyC6 RTfjfaCSiBzzCx5e8zEYUBM= =70xG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Software Installer
There are two icons in my toolbar, Install Software and Update Software. These icons are apparently related to Novell Zenworks and something called Rug, neither of which I understand. I can find very little how to info on either. What technical info I can find tends to be arguments about whether Zenworks/Rug is a step forward or a step backward. Under the circumstances, I think my confusion is reasonable. Would anyone out there care to give me a quick synopsis of Zenworks/Rug and some simple rules on how to use them? A Zenworks/Rug for Dummies online article would also be helpful. Thanks. -- Donald D. Henson, Managing Director West El Paso Information Network The Non-Initiation of Force Principle Rules -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Random Task Bar Lockups - More info
Jim Sabatke wrote: Jim Sabatke wrote: I'm running 10.2 and having a problem with seemingly random taskbar lockups. When it happens I can use any application that isn't minimized, but once minimized, I can't get it back. I was using the vanilla X driver when it started; then I loaded the NVidia driver and it's still happening. Google hasn't been much help here. Any thoughts? Jim I found that when the task bar locks up, my home directory also locks up. It won't display any files and just hangs. I rebooted so I could see my directory again, copied my home files to another disk, and reformatted the /home disk. So far the problem hasn't returned, but I haven't stressed the system much. I'm thinking I either have a bad disk or a reiser file system problem. Jim It's still happening. I remembered that I had upgraded to Thunderbird 2.0 from 1.5 just before it started happening. Probably just a shot in the dark, but I restored T-bird 1.5 to see if it helps. Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bug? - Address book type removed from KDE kontact in an Opensuse 10.2 std update...
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 18:17:24 Per-Olov Sjöholm wrote: Note that the below works perfect i SLED 10, and SLED 10 with SP1 and used to work well in OpenSUSE 10.2. Maybe OpenSUSE has dropped this feature I run Kontact in KDE on OpenSUSE 10.2. I use a network based calendar and address book in Kontact of the form: sftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/path/to/calendar (use calendar resource remote file) sftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/path/to/addressbook (use address book resource file) This way I can without a complex software reach my calendar and address book data from everywere. Both of these works perfect in 3.5.6-48-1. When I upgraded to 3.5.7-7.1 my address book resource just disappeared in Kontact. And it is not possible to add a new one of the same form (sftp or fish). It simply seems the feature is gone The calendar resource of the same sftp form still works though... But I miss my address book... No clue yet, but please open a bug for this at bugzilla.novell.com and assign it to me. Will -- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer Interfaces and Applications -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Konica-Minolta PagePro 1400W printer
Have any of you used this machine with SuSE 9/3, using the driver available on the net, named Minolta-PagePro_1400W- min12xxw.ppd and found it to work without any screwing around? Tiger has a sale on them. Or if there's a different driver, then what is it, and how does it work? Remember, I'm using 9.3, for the simple reason that email doesn't work right on 10.0. (That apparently means that CUPS doesn't work right either, or maybe not at all, in 9.3, according to some correspondence on this forum.) I expect to stay with 9.3 until 10.3 has proven itself--or not. Thanx, guys and gals-- doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Question for openSUSE installation disk space. [SOLVED]
Should your Bios recognize your disk somehow but erratically (i.e. way to small), you can also use the smaller disk for /boot and make use of the remaining space from Linux. Surely, an additional PCI controller could be faster, at least sometimes ;-)), but it is not needed. regards Eberhard I forgot: Smart Boot Manager is also suitable to handle such things. Have a look here: http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/download.html regards Eberhard Hi Eberhard! :-) THANKS for your help!!! * I found a (related I think) chapter at Novell's PDFs, about moving partitions of a running system and I'm going to look at it. * I'm remembering SBM. Before many years, I was using XOSL, that was coming bundled with SBM and Ranish partitioner. I'm going to install it and play with it. THANKS again!!! Giorgos. :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] can't have my USB detected by VMware
On Monday 09 July 2007, you wrote: John Andersen wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007, Dave Barton wrote: Original Message From: Hans Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon 09 Jul 2007 18:45:02 EST why i can't get my USB interface detected by guest OS on my VMware? If i plug my flash disk to my system, only my host (SUSE) can detect it, but not my guest OS. I try to enable it from menu VM - Removable Devices - USB devices, but it shows nothing. I do have USB device on the setting (USB device present) More version info would be helpful, but before starting VMWare open a su terminal and type: mount -t usbfs /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb If this works, you can recompile your kernel to restore the usb functionality used by VMWare. that SuSE removed. Search the list archives for more details. Actually the later kernels have this restored already. And I can attest that it works. Just update to the latest kernel. Johm, which kernel you on coz it doesn't work here on 2.6.18.8-0.3 it doesn't work? Uname -ar reports: Linux gotroot 2.6.18.8-0.2-default #1 SMP Fri Mar 23 19:38:30 UTC 2007 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux I also have this line in my /etc/fstab to make sure usb stuff gets loaded at boot time: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw,devgid=100,devmode=0640,busgid=100,busmode=0550,listgid=100,listmode=0440 0 0 This kernel was produced by Andres Jaeger of SuSE while fixing a boot loader problem and he threw in the usbfs restoration as a side incentive to get people to test the boot loader. This is the directory at suse where this was installed from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.2-bootloader-test Perhaps you can dredge up Andres email from the list and ask him about this. -- _ John Andersen pgpf5OVZTpuMK.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 kerberos pam common-account problem
I have having problems with Kerberos Authentication on openSUSE 10.2 When I use Yast to configure my Kerberos Clients I can no longer su from root to a user. I can still log in as a user or as root from both ssh or the console. I have tracked the culprit down to the common-account file. By default Yast configures the common-account settings to be: account requisite pam_unix2.so accountrequiredpam_krb5.so use_first_pass This means that when root runs su - username the pam_krb5 module fails with Jul 9 16:15:15 linux su: pam_krb5[7148]: user 'username' was not authenticated by pam_krb5, returning User not known to the underlying authentication module Jul 9 16:15:15 linux su: pam_krb5[7148]: pam_acct_mgmt returning 10 (User not known to the underlying authentication module) If I set accountrequiredpam_krb5.so use_first_pass to accountoptionalpam_krb5.so use_first_pass or set account requisite pam_unix2.so to account sufficient pam_unix2.so or comment out the pam_krb5.so line entirely from common-account then everything works as expected. Am I missing something here or is this a bug in the way Yast is configuring Kerberos on 10.2 On SuSE 9.3 and 10.1 Yast handles kerberos differently (uses /etc/security/pam_unix2.conf) and I have no problems there. -- Tom Parker Systems Delivery Specialist Lottery Systems Division Canadian Bank Note Company -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Default suse 10.2 user / pass? (text only setup)
Hi, just installing Suse 10.2 on a box for the first time. (an old celeron 450). The installer would not run with a gui, it used a text-only install. After the isntall, the system booted to a text prompt linux login: There was never ever in the process a request that I create a username or password. What is the default username and password? A google search turned up Admin and opensuse as the password. Nope. Admin may be the username. Joel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Default suse 10.2 user / pass? (text only setup)
jbrave wrote: Hi, just installing Suse 10.2 on a box for the first time. (an old celeron 450). The installer would not run with a gui, it used a text-only install. After the isntall, the system booted to a text prompt linux login: There was never ever in the process a request that I create a username or password. What is the default username and password? A google search turned up Admin and opensuse as the password. Nope. Admin may be the username. There is no Admin on unix, and there is no default password. The unix superuser account is root, and at some point during the install, the suse installer will ask you to type the password that you want to assign to root. If you never got to that point, perhaps you didn't ever finish the install. It does boot after the base system is installed, then comes up to finish the install with things like root password, network configuration etc. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] triple boot : Vista, SuSE and Ubuntu
On Monday 09 July 2007 00:39, Hans Linux wrote: ubuntu is quite tempting :D i would like to hv it install on my laptop. currently i have dual boot for my Vista and SUSE already. Is it OK for me to install ubuntu to have triple boot? Why? Why install a lesser operating system (Ubuntu) than the one you already have installed (SuSE)? would ubuntu set triple boot automatically, or i hv to edit manually some menu list? anyone experience this before? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software RAID with existing drive
On 07/09/2007 06:31 AM, Brandon Carl wrote: That way I can boot from either the first drive, or the one-drive RAID on the second drive. I have run into a problem, however. When I attempt to choose Boot from RAID it gets to the boot commands, but it stalls at Waiting for device /dev/md10 to appear: . not found -- Exiting to /bin/sh. Why is it now md10? It should be md0, md1, md2. What does /etc/mdadm.conf show you? I changed it to md10 because somehow I accidentally deleted /dev/md0, /dev/md1, and /dev/md2, probably in an attempt to unmount them, lol. I couldn't find a way to create them again, so I just decided to use md10 and md11. I can't imagine this would affect anything, however. /etc/mdadm.conf does not exist on either drive. OK, I think it would be helpful to create that file. Examples are in the man page for mdadm. I will attach mine for reference. Here is the contents of my fstab under the /dev/md10, in case it's helpful: /dev/md10/reiserfs acl,user_xattr,usrquota,grpquota1 1 /dev/md11/homereiserfs acl,user_xattr,usrquota,grpquota1 2 /dev/hdb5swap swap defaults 0 0 proc /procproc defaults 0 0 proc /procproc defaults 0 0 sysfs/sys sysfs noauto0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debugdebugfs noauto0 0 usbfs/proc/bus/usbusbfs noauto0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppyauto noauto,user,sync 0 0 Is that a typo, or are you missing a comma between reiserfs and acl? Do you really have proc twice? You did make sure there was a /proc and /sys folder for mounting their respective filesystems. I copied directly from the file, but there is a few spaces in between the reiserfs and the acl,user... The formatting got messed up, sorry. I am not bothered by the formatting, but those lines options and syntax are important. There should NOT be spaces between the options, and there should be a comma separating the list options. Having 2 proc entries will probably cause an error message. I have decided against mirroring the swap space, and just using both the /dev/hda5 and /dev/hdb5 as swap space, so it is doubled. OK Is this a wise choice? I would say yes. I see no need to raid swap, and making them separate doubles swaps size, assuming the same priority. So that is where I am stuck. I cannot figure how to get past the waiting for device /dev/md10 to appear... I have tried mkinitrd and cd /mnt; chroot /mnt; mkinitrd to try and fix it, but to no avail. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks for your help thus far! Check /etc/mdadm.conf to make sure you really have such raid devices. The file does not exist. Create it as per man mdadm, check attachment for reference. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 OK, I can successfully boot from either hard drive and choose the option to boot from HDA or the RAID drive from grub. Now what do I do from here? I'm pretty sure the data is all copied over, but is there a way I can be sure? You said something about using rsync, but I'm not familiar with that tool. And then, once that is done, how do I add the old drive into the RAID array. Thanks! -Brandon Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.spleeyah.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-packaging] Changing YaST Packages in Autobuild
Hi, It happens time to time that someone needs to urgently change some YaST package in autobuild. This is actually possible but you should know that autobuild is not the primary source of YaST packages. Our primary source is our SVN: http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/ First, you had better contact the MAINTAINER of the package and consult the change with him/her. You can change the package in autobuild but you need to send a diff file to the maintainer or change SVN as well. Please, NEVER submit a changed package to autobuild without announcing the change to the maintainer of the package and without providing the patch or changing the source directly in SVN. Thanks Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, YaST Developer (xn--luk-gla45d) - SUSE LINUX, s. r. o., Lihovarska 1060/12, Praha 9, Czech Republic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-packaging] RPM license header update
* Juergen Weigert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 13:22]: Please check the exact version of the GPL and LGPL. We used to have one general entry 'GNU General Public License', now we have four entries: 'GPLv2 only', 'GPLv2 or later', 'GPLv3 only', 'GPLv3 or later'. Most GPL packages are now listed as 'GPLv2 or later', please adjust or let us know (again [EMAIL PROTECTED]) where this is incorrect. Same logic applies to LGPL. Why cannot this be changed (for SUSE internals) via PDB? Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] RPM license header update
On Jul 09, 07 13:33:22 +0200, Bernhard Walle wrote: * Juergen Weigert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 13:22]: Please check the exact version of the GPL and LGPL. We used to have one general entry 'GNU General Public License', now we have four entries: 'GPLv2 only', 'GPLv2 or later', 'GPLv3 only', 'GPLv3 or later'. Most GPL packages are now listed as 'GPLv2 or later', please adjust or let us know (again [EMAIL PROTECTED]) where this is incorrect. Same logic applies to LGPL. Why cannot this be changed (for SUSE internals) via PDB? Ah, forgot to mention that. Yes, this should be checked and updated via PDB. thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-packaging] Wiki page: Czech Packagers Team
Hello, I would like to announce our wiki page, which has two main purposes: * briefly introduce Czech packagers team and * ask for help in maintainance of several packages in BuildService. If you are interested in, please see http://en.opensuse.org/Czech_Packagers_Team Petr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-packaging] build with cross compiling icecream
Hello, I'm using build version 0.0_SVNr930M to compile Packman packages on PPC. Now I started to use icecream to cross compile, as my PPC build machine is a kind of weak, while I just got a strong x86 machine. This version of build does not seem to have support for cross compile icecream, it creates a package for the native compiler, sets up ICECC_VERSION, and that's all. I made a (very) ugly hack to get it to cross compile and reduce compile times significantly, but that's really not the way it should be solved. Is there anyone working on it, or is it fixed for a later version? I'm a bit afraid to update to a later version just for testing, when I don't have the rpm for this version... :) Bye, CzP Ps: just for the record, I added this few lines to the end of setupicecream() in /usr/lib/build/build: echo icecream cross compile preparation cp /root/build_icecream.sh $BUILD_ROOT/etc/profile.d/build_icecream.sh if [ ! -f $BUILD_ROOT/opt/icecream/bin/powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-c++ ] ; then for i in powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-c++ powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-cc powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-g++ powerpc-unkno wn-linux-gcc ; do ln -s /usr/bin/icecc $BUILD_ROOT/opt/icecream/bin/$i done fi cp /root/cross-ppc-gcc-icecream-backend_i386.tar.gz /root/native.tar.gz $BUILD_ROOT Content of /root/build_icecream.sh is: export PATH=/opt/icecream/bin:$PATH export ICECC_VERSION=/native.tar.gz,i686:/cross-ppc-gcc-icecream-backend_i386.tar.gz The links are there, as sometimes I found, that configure looks for these, and it helped a lot at least on Gentoo. cross-ppc-gcc-icecream-backend_i386.tar.gz is from a SuSE rpm, native.tar.gz is the one generated by /usr/lib/icecc/icecc-create-env - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] build with cross compiling icecream
Hi, On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Peter Czanik wrote: I'm using build version 0.0_SVNr930M to compile Packman packages on PPC. Sorry for my ignorance, but where is the repository for 'build', i.e. what sources are you looking at? For autobuild we have our own internal version of build (with icecream support including cross compilers) and in the build.rpm sources I don't see any icecream support at all, so you must be looking at some third variant of build, which is it? ;-) Ciao, Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] build with cross compiling icecream
Hello, Michael Matz wrote: Hi, On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Peter Czanik wrote: I'm using build version 0.0_SVNr930M to compile Packman packages on PPC. Sorry for my ignorance, but where is the repository for 'build', i.e. what sources are you looking at? It was from http://software.opensuse.org/download/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_10.2/ as far as I can remember, and was downloaded in December, so quite some time ago. # rpm -qi build Name: buildRelocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.0_SVNr930M Vendor: openSUSE Build Service Release : 2.1 Build Date: 2006. dec. 8., péntek, 15.41.54 CET Install Date: 2006. dec. 17., vasárnap, 12.25.14 CET Build Host: build02 Group : Development/Tools/BuildingSource RPM: build-0.0_SVNr930M-2.1.src.rpm Size: 282116 License: GNU General Public License (GPL) Signature : DSA/SHA1, 2006. dec. 8., péntek, 15.41.54 CET, Key ID 3b3011b76b9d6523 Summary : A Script to Build SUSE Linux RPMs Description : This package provides a script for building RPMs for SUSE Linux in a chroot environment. Distribution: (none) For autobuild we have our own internal version of build (with icecream support including cross compilers) Is that available somewhere? Or that's too much internal, so does not work without the rest of your infrastructure? Bye, CzP - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
