Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Before that, I had no interest in actually owning
> my own computer.
>
>
What I find amusing is that I'm running the same OS as a super computer!

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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Other than this laptop I'm on, I've never owned an
> Intel CPU... my first machine was Cyrix, and then
> I switched to AMD.  Intel has always had the worst
> price/performance evaluation.
>
>
My first CPU was an Intel, an 8080 in my IMSAI 8080.  My 2nd was an
8088, in an XT clone, which I replaced with a NEC V20.  Currently, my
main system is an AMD64 4000+.


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Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)

[James Knott]

Sloan wrote:
> Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
>   
>> Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Tremblay:
>>   
>> 
>>> ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by
>>> not forcing new computers to have  to made.
>>> 
>>>   
>> This notion keeps popping up among linux people. To actually verify it 
>> I suggest you install opensuse 10.3 on a box that's 4 years old. You 
>> will not be pleased.
>>   
>> 
>
> I recently installed suse 10.3 on a compaq box made in 2002, which I'm
> using as our firewall/dns/dhcp server. Naturally I nuked beagle, but
> having done that it works and it works well. Before that, our
> firewall/dns/dhcp server was an old compaq w/ Pentium III 500 and 9 GB
> drive, running suse 10.1, which also worked quite well.
>
> Joe
>   
My firewall, currently running 10.0, is an 866 MHz P3 & 128 MB.  I'll
have to see how well it handles an upgrade to 10.3.

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Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)

[James Knott]

Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
> Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Knott:
>
>   
>> I have it installed on my almost 6 year old notebook and it runs
>> fine. The notebook has a 1.13 GHz P3.  It certainly runs better
>> than XP on thatg same computer.
>> 
>
> Ok, good for you. Some time ago a friend of mine wanted me to get her 
> opensuse 10.2. I couldn't because her box had 256 mb ram only and the 
> installer chocked on that.
>
>   

I have a computer at work that has (IIRC) only 256 MB.  SUSE 10.2
installed on it OK.  I haven't got around to trying 10.3 yet.
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Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)

[James Knott]

Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Tremblay:

ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by
not forcing new computers to have  to made.


This notion keeps popping up among linux people. To actually verify it 
I suggest you install opensuse 10.3 on a box that's 4 years old. You 
will not be pleased.


Not that it's a bad thing that linux distributions keep aiming at the 
moving target "hardware".


Wolfgang


I have it installed on my almost 6 year old notebook and it runs fine. 
The notebook has a 1.13 GHz P3.  It certainly runs better than XP on 
thatg same computer.



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Re: [opensuse] Switching to more RAM

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>
>> At which point during the installation do you choose 32-bit or 64-bit?
>
>
>
> When you choose to use the 32-bit installation DVD or
> the 64-bit installation DVD.
>
>
IIRC, the boxed set includes both versions on one DVD, but the download
ones don't.



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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Intel and AMD won the CPU wars. (and the field can't
> be reduced below two, because every competent military
> purchasing department on the planet requires that all
> electronic components be "2nd-sourced" -- so if AMD
> fails, then Intel is cut out of that lucrative market
> until such time that another company is up and running
> as a "2nd source" of Intel-like CPUs -- This is why
> Intel keeps AMD abreast of their future designs --
> if AMD can't duplicate Intel functionality, then Intel
> loses).
>
According to an IBM Linux presentation I attended a couple of years ago,
IBM manufactures many CPU's for AMD.  This means that even if AMD fails,
the chips are still being made elsewhere.

Chips these days are designed using standard libraries, which make it
easy for another company to start producing CPU's from a failed company.

IIRC, in the 64 bit world, it's Intel following AMD, not the otherway
around.



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Re: [opensuse] How to Set Netbios Name

[James Knott]

Donald D Henson wrote:
> I've just spent two hours trying to find the procedure to set a netbios
>  name on a Linux machine, for use in a Samba network. Can someone point
> me to the procedure? I'd appreciate it.
>
> Don Henson
>   
You can change it in "Personal Settings", under Internet & Network >
Samba.  But why would you want to change it?  It should default to your
linux host name and it's a bad idea to change it to something else.


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Re: [opensuse] postfix relay host problem.

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>
> The Sunday 2008-01-27 at 10:46 +0100, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
>
> >> but my stupid ISP rejects some from domains I need to send from, like
> >> @users.sourceforge.net to @lists.sourceforge.net.
>
> > Why do you (ab)use the Envelope From header to set the from address?
> > Use the body From: in its stead, then your ISP won't complain.
> > Set the envelope 'Mail From:' to whatever your ISP wants.
>
> I don't change the envelope from in any way, none of my mail programs
> allow me to change it. Therefore, I assume both the envelope from and
> "normal" from are the same.

Are you saying your email apps don't support a reply to address?

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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

Billie Walsh wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>> M9. wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Joe Sloan schreef:
>>>
>>> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> uptime
>>> |   5:32pm  up 1016 days  1:24,  1 user,  load average: 2.47, 2.56, 2.36
>>>
>>> More than 3 years, is quite impressive...
>>> 
>>>   
>> Not quite.  Three years is 1095 days, ignoring leap years.
>>
>>   
>> 
> 1095.75 if someone wants to be picky.
>   
But then, we'd have to consider calendar years, Julian years, solar
years, sidereal years and of course UTC years.

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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

M9. wrote:
>
>
> Joe Sloan schreef:
>
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> uptime
> |   5:32pm  up 1016 days  1:24,  1 user,  load average: 2.47, 2.56, 2.36
>
> More than 3 years, is quite impressive...

Not quite.  Three years is 1095 days, ignoring leap years.

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Re: [opensuse] Epson printer on ethernet connection

[James Knott]

Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

Torsdag 24 januar 2008 10:28 skrev Paul Ollion:

Hello list
I hope I am not OT with this question :
I have been given an Epson stylus Color 1520 printer, which is very
interesting since it can accept larger sizes of paper.
It works nicely on a parallel connection, but it is provided vith an
Ethernet connection add on card C823623 but I do not have the manual for
this card and I do not know its default address and do not know how to
change it. There is just a Mac address on the card.
Is it possible to make this card work ?
I asked on an Epson technical list but they said they did not know and they
would be interested to know if anyone found a sulution on a linux list.
Thanks in advance
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Proud Linux userSuSE 10.2


Hi

Can one not open a root shell and give:

arp -s IP MAC

for example:

arp -s 172.16.13.20 00:D0:c8:00:6f:9d

- would this set the IP of the interface and hence let you access it?





All that would do is set up an arp cache entry on your computer.  It 
will not cause the printer to recognize that IP address.



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Re: [opensuse] Epson printer on ethernet connection

[James Knott]

Paul Ollion wrote:

Hello list
I hope I am not OT with this question :
I have been given an Epson stylus Color 1520 printer, which is very 
interesting since it can accept larger sizes of paper.
It works nicely on a parallel connection, but it is provided vith an Ethernet 
connection add on card C823623 but I do not have the manual for this card and 
I do not know its default address and do not know how to change it.

There is just a Mac address on the card.
Is it possible to make this card work ?
I asked on an Epson technical list but they said they did not know and they 
would be interested to know if anyone found a sulution on a linux list.

Thanks in advance


Well, if you can't find a way to change the address, it may be using 
dhcp.  So, plug it in and see if it grabs an address.  If so, you can 
use the mac address to configure the dhcp server to assign a specific IP 
to the printer.


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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux

[James Knott]

Jerry Feldman wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:06:02 +0100
Philippe Landau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Did anyone ever attempt to make a systematic survey
of reasons why Linux remains such a small player ?
Of course corruption on a massive scale is involved
in selling Windows to governments and corporations.
But why is the percentage of surfers using Linux so small ?
Is it mainly because of the games or are the shortcomings
of Linux an important factor and which ones most ?


Marketing and timing. First, today Linux is a good desktop product, but
still needs a bit of polish for the average PC user. But the problem is
marketing. Microsoft buys big TV ads and has the clout and volume to
get the major PC vendors to bundle their products.  HP, IBM, SGI market
their servers with Linux, but currently only Dell even sells consumer
PCs with Linux.


Actually, Lenovo does too and I think I heard something about HP.  And 
there are many smaller vendors that sell computers with Linux  Also, 
both Sears & Wal-Mart in the U.S. are selling low end computers with 
Linux installed.



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Re: [opensuse] Postfix - howto deliver mail for user to 2 machines?

[James Knott]

Sandy Drobic wrote:

James Knott wrote:

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

David C. Rankin wrote:

Listmates, Sandy,

Where do I tell postfix to deliver mail for a user to localhost
and deliver a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has to be easy, -- I hope.


Deliver it locally, and then use NFS so that both machines
can read the incoming mail spool.
And then set up a POP (Post Office Protocol) server, which
will coerce them into removing their messages from the
mail machine (advise them to set up their mail agent to use
the "remove mail from server" option).



Why not just imap?


Guys? Please have a look at the first quoted line. It was supposed to be 
"simple". Installing and maintaining additional unnecessary services, 
wenn one config line in an already running service is sufficient, seems 
horribly inefficient.




There's not a heck of a lot more to setting up an imap server than pop.


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Re: [opensuse] Postfix - howto deliver mail for user to 2 machines?

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> David C. Rankin wrote:
>> Listmates, Sandy,
>>
>> Where do I tell postfix to deliver mail for a user to localhost
>> and deliver a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has to be easy, -- I hope.
>>
>
> Deliver it locally, and then use NFS so that both machines
> can read the incoming mail spool.
> And then set up a POP (Post Office Protocol) server, which
> will coerce them into removing their messages from the
> mail machine (advise them to set up their mail agent to use
> the "remove mail from server" option).
>
>
Why not just imap?


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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Webmasters who recently migrated from Lose-DOS and new to
> Linux oftentimes wouldn't even realize that such a thing
> could be done.
> let alone
>>
>
>
>
A little competence goes a long way.

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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>> David Bolt wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, James Knott wrote:-
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>> Anti-virus software is generally not necessary with Linux, unless it's
>>>> being used as a mail or file server in a Windows network.  AFIK,
>>>> there's never been a viable Linux virus.
>>>
>>> That depends on whether you include worms and trojans under the
>>> definition of a virus. If so, there have been Linux viruses in the
>>> wild.
>>> I still have a copy of a loader script and the IRC bot[0] that was
>>> installed by it, grabbed from an infected server just over 2 years
>>> ago[1].
>>>
>>> IIRC, the method of infection for that particular worm was to insert
>>> shell commands[2] into a URL passed to a web server running an
>>> exploitable version of PHP. The commands were executed by a root shell
>>> and was used to download the loader script, set its mode to 744 and
>>> then
>>> execute that. The script in question downloaded 2 files, one was the
>>> IRC
>>> bot, the other was used to search out and try to infect other web
>>> servers.
>>
>> Assuming you're running as a mere mortal and not root, how does it
>> start a root shell?
>
> If the web admin didn't make sure to set up a user account for the
> web server, then it's most likely running as root, and so all
> child processes would also be root.
>
>>
>>

The way I read the note, a "downloader script" was downloaded from the
server and then run in a root shell to set the permissions etc.  How did
that root shell get started?  If it's on the server, it shouldn't be
able to do something as root on the local computer.  Anyone running a
browser as root deserves what they get.



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Re: [opensuse] clamav

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>
> The Tuesday 2008-01-22 at 12:39 -0500, James Knott wrote:
>
> >>  Isn't ntfs more resistant?
>
> > No, it still gets fragmented
>
> Too bad.
>
> >>  I suppose FAT has outgrown its initial design usage for floppies
> and small
> >>  disks, and it has been a practical sucess, despite its
> shorthcommings. It
> >>  is not inherently a bad system, just... different. Other systems were
> >>  better designed.
> >>
> >>  Is not the ext2 design newer than fat? The fragmentation problem
> of fat
> >>  was known before linux was born.
>
> > I don't know when ext2 was invented, but other fragmentation
> resistant file systems were around before NTFS.  For example, HPFS,
> which was actually created by MS, when they were doing OS/2 work for
> IBM, predates NTFS by a few years.
>
> I suppose it was invented in the early 90's, same as linux.
>
> >>  There is another detail: IMO, fragmentation of fat occurs not
> because of
> >>  the format, but because of the way it is used. It would be the
> task of the
> >>  operating system to avoid fragmentation of the files, by writing them
> >>  properly, and even correcting them later on. The format allows for
> that,
> >>  but the operating system does not.
>
> > File systems, such as HPFS and ext2 try to resist fragmenting, by
> storing a file in the smallest free space that will hold it and only
> fragment if a big enough contiguous free space does not exist.  This
> means fragmentation is unlikely, until the drive is almost full.  On
> the other hand, FAT and (IIRC) NTFS simply grab the next available
> free space, whether big enough or not and if necessary, additional
> blocks of free space, until there's room for the file.  This means
> that it might save a file in multiple pieces, when it could have
> simply found a single block that was large enough.
>
> But that is not a characteristic of the FAT format, but of how the
> operating system uses it. It is perfectly possible to seek a large
> enough free area in the disk, then save the file there. It is the
> operating system who saves time by saving in the first space it finds,
> instead of searching harder for the best fit. It is not the definition
> of the format that is at fault, is the implementation.
>
>
> Then, if later, a file grows, and there is no free space at the end,
> it has to be fragmented - same in fat as in any other system. I think
> that in ext2 the system tries to leave space at the end for that
> chance, which is, I think, one of the reasons why performance
> decreases if the disk is full. I think that in ext2 the file can be
> moved elsewhere, but I'm not sure. In msdos this was not possible
> because the OS was not the only one capable of accessing the filesystem.
>
> I once thought of writing a program that would defrag a fat drive in
> the background, without stopping jobs... just an idea, I never started
> writing, though.
>

Well, going back to basics, a file system is just a method of allocating
a pile of sectors in some manner.  FAT does this in a very basic manner,
just starting at the beginning of the disk looking for free space and
working it's way across the disk.  If you want to do something
different, you create a new file systems, such as ext2 or HPFS, which
has the mechanisms for more efficient allocation of the sectors or
better performance etc.  However, since it's now different from the
"original" FAT, it's a new file system.  File systems such as HPFS or
ext2 maintain a bit map of free space, which enables them to quickly
find a free block just large enough to hold the file.  They also use a
B-tree for quick searching.  Ever notice how Linux by default sorts by
name and Windows doesn't?  You can thank the file system for that.  As
for the OS managing the sectors etc., it always does, by using FAT file
system code or NTFS file system code or ext2 etc.  But that does not
change the way the various file systems were designed to work.  If you
create a different way, you create a different file system.

Also, you generally don't "grow" a file.  For safety reasons, you copy &
modify, leaving the original on the disk, until the operation is
completed and the now dead file is marked as free space.

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Re: [opensuse] clamav

[James Knott]

Ken Schneider wrote:
> James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
>   
>> File systems, such as HPFS and ext2 try to resist fragmenting, by
>> storing a file in the smallest free space that will hold it and only
>> fragment if a big enough contiguous free space does not exist.  This
>> means fragmentation is unlikely, until the drive is almost full.  On the
>> other hand, FAT and (IIRC) NTFS simply grab the next available free
>> space, whether big enough or not and if necessary, additional blocks of
>> free space, until there's room for the file.  This means that it might
>> save a file in multiple pieces, when it could have simply found a single
>> block that was large enough.
>>
>> 
>
> Perhaps MS is waiting for another company to innovate this idea so that
> they can buy the company. Has MS done anything but buy innovation lately
> and call it their own? Don't remember the last time they came up with
> anything of their own.
>
>   
As I mentioned, they came up with HPFS and HPFS386, which is used in
OS/2 servers, so there's no reason why they couldn't have used either. 
HPFS386 supports user permissions etc., which the basic HPFS doesn't. 
One thing they did do, was use the same file system number for NTFS as
used for HPFS, which confuses some disk utility programs.  Windows NT
supported HPFS and I believe it was an optional install for Windows 2000.




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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2008-01-21 at 20:10 -0600, JB2 wrote:


And concerning virii


 FYI, there's no such word as 'virii'. Multiple for virus is...viruses.


Wrong!

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/virii

:-P

Yep, it is incorrect, but it exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus




You cannot rely on Wikipedia for accuracy.  Try a dictionary instead.


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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2008-01-21 at 20:41 -0800, Joe Sloan wrote:


David Bolt wrote:



The reason being
that if a worm is able to install on the server using root privileges,
there's no way to know just what else has been installed by it without
performing some form of forensic work on the installation


Why would you assume that a worm got root privileges? In the cases I've


Because David wrote, in the email you quoted:

]> The commands were executed by a root shell and was used to download 
the ]> loader script,


I was thinking, at first glance, the same, that root was compromised. 
But you are right, it's not always the case. Rather, it should never be 
the case.


Again, why the root shell?  Why wasn't that person using a user ID?  In 
order to run a root shell, someone has to start a root shell.  They 
don't just happen.  There's a reason why root shouldn't be used, when 
not needed.



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Re: [opensuse] antivirus

[James Knott]

John B Pace wrote:

Just a little note here. In my few weeks of searching for a distro, I
tried Ubuntu also. I'm not knocking it as every distro has positives and
negatives, though I like this and Debian the best. What I didn't like
about Ubuntu is that one signed in as root and then one would have to
create another user and remember to use it, though there was probably a
way to change the su to user and visa versa.


I thought it was the first user could do extra stuff than a regular user 
could do, including setting the root password.  That first user does not 
have full root priveleges.  Any addition users are normal users.  So, 
you might call that first user "admin" or similar.


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Re: [opensuse] clamav

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2008-01-21 at 14:48 -0500, James Knott wrote:

>  '80s) defragging wasn't required.  Here it is almost 20 years 
later and >  Windows still requires it.


 Requires, requires... not really. It does benefit (greatly) from it,
 though.


Well then, HPFS, EXT2 etc., work fine, without worrying about it. 
Fragmentation resistant file systems have been around for a long time. 
Why doesn't MS use one?


I know.
Isn't ntfs more resistant?


No, it still gets fragmented


I suppose FAT has outgrown its initial design usage for floppies and 
small disks, and it has been a practical sucess, despite its 
shorthcommings. It is not inherently a bad system, just... different. 
Other systems were better designed.


Is not the ext2 design newer than fat? The fragmentation problem of fat 
was known before linux was born.


I don't know when ext2 was invented, but other fragmentation resistant 
file systems were around before NTFS.  For example, HPFS, which was 
actually created by MS, when they were doing OS/2 work for IBM, predates 
NTFS by a few years.


There is another detail: IMO, fragmentation of fat occurs not because of 
the format, but because of the way it is used. It would be the task of 
the operating system to avoid fragmentation of the files, by writing 
them properly, and even correcting them later on. The format allows for 
that, but the operating system does not.


File systems, such as HPFS and ext2 try to resist fragmenting, by 
storing a file in the smallest free space that will hold it and only 
fragment if a big enough contiguous free space does not exist.  This 
means fragmentation is unlikely, until the drive is almost full.  On the 
other hand, FAT and (IIRC) NTFS simply grab the next available free 
space, whether big enough or not and if necessary, additional blocks of 
free space, until there's room for the file.  This means that it might 
save a file in multiple pieces, when it could have simply found a single 
block that was large enough.


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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

David Bolt wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Joe Sloan wrote:-




Yes, I remember dealing with some similar worms on linux servers - the
difference being, if a linux system gets a worm, you install the
security upgrade from the vendor, clean up the files left behind by the
worm (which will typically be found only in world writable areas), and
life goes on, without a reboot, and perhaps a momentary interruption in
service while the daemon is reloaded.


You'd trust that method of cleaning a system? If only life were so
simple.


If a windows web server gets a worm, game over. wipe the box and
reinstall. At least that's what my mcse friends tell me.


I'd apply the same logic to a Linux server as well. The reason being
that if a worm is able to install on the server using root privileges,
there's no way to know just what else has been installed by it without
performing some form of forensic work on the installation, and has to be
done using tools from outside the.


Why would a server be running root privileges?

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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

David Bolt wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, James Knott wrote:-




Anti-virus software is generally not necessary with Linux, unless it's
being used as a mail or file server in a Windows network.  AFIK,
there's never been a viable Linux virus.


That depends on whether you include worms and trojans under the
definition of a virus. If so, there have been Linux viruses in the wild.
I still have a copy of a loader script and the IRC bot[0] that was
installed by it, grabbed from an infected server just over 2 years
ago[1].

IIRC, the method of infection for that particular worm was to insert
shell commands[2] into a URL passed to a web server running an
exploitable version of PHP. The commands were executed by a root shell
and was used to download the loader script, set its mode to 744 and then
execute that. The script in question downloaded 2 files, one was the IRC
bot, the other was used to search out and try to infect other web
servers.


Assuming you're running as a mere mortal and not root, how does it start 
a root shell?



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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

Jerry Houston wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>> Again, teach them the skill.  It doesn't take a genius to find out how
>> to do something in a new app, that they've already been doing.  On the
>> other hand, teaching people that the Microsoft way is the only way is
>> doing them a great disservice.
>> 
>
> Please, review the history of this thread and find where I've ever
> suggested that.
>
>   
A couple of messages back, IIRC, you said people should learn Microsoft
software to join the work force.  I countered with they should learn how
to use applications.  While many people use Microsoft Office, there are
also many who use Word Perfect or OpenOffice/StarOffice.  With the way
Vista and Office 2007 are going, knowing only Microsoft Office might be
a limiting factor.


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Re: [opensuse] clamav

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2008-01-21 at 13:09 -0500, James Knott wrote:

It's amazing that degragging is still required in this day & age.  I 
ran OS/2 for many years, and with the HPFS file system (available in 
late '80s) defragging wasn't required.  Here it is almost 20 years 
later and Windows still requires it.


Requires, requires... not really. It does benefit (greatly) from it, 
though.


Well then, HPFS, EXT2 etc., work fine, without worrying about it. 
Fragmentation resistant file systems have been around for a long time. 
Why doesn't MS use one?



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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

Jerry Houston wrote:

James Knott wrote:

Why is it that people have to learn Windows or Microsoft Office,
instead of how to use a computer or an office suite?  Do you teach
your kids how to drive a Ford?  Or how to drive a car?  We should be
teaching skills, not products.


I love my kids too much to teach them to drive a Ford.  


But you let them run Windows.


Seriously, I don't think it's a valid comparison.  Cars are designed to
be nearly universal, and those differences that exist (headlight,
cruise, heater controls, etc.) can be figured out in minutes.  Operating
systems and the applications that run on them have much steeper learning
curves.

I'm not suggesting that kids should't be exposed to Linux.  Or that it
shouldn't be their OS of choice (if it really is their choice).  But
preventing them from learning anything about Windows and Microsoft
applications isn't doing them a favor.


Again, teach them the skill.  It doesn't take a genius to find out how 
to do something in a new app, that they've already been doing.  On the 
other hand, teaching people that the Microsoft way is the only way is 
doing them a great disservice.


You and I might prefer an open source world, but that's not the world
most of us live in, and have to earn a living in.


Well, I've used Linux, Windows, OS/2, DOS, VAX/VMS etc., over the years. 
 I've also used Openoffice, Microsoft Office, Lotus Smart Suite, 
Describe, Wordstar 2000, Word Perfect and PC-Write (I even had a half 
day class on SuperCalc!).  It's a matter of "This is what I want to do, 
how do I do it with this software?"  Because I learn how to use tools, 
not what button to click, I don't have a problem moving to different 
software.


Bottom line.  If you learn the skills, you'll have little problem in 
moving to other software.  If you learn only how to use an app, you find 
it difficult to move to others.  This happens in many areas, not just 
computers.


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Re: [opensuse] clamav

[James Knott]

John B Pace wrote:

I appreciate everyones' and I do mean everyones' input on the security
thing. I now definitely have a better understanding of it. Completely
different than windows as it always has been and I'm very happy to find
out it is the way it is. My wife does have AVG and some other programs
to protect her. And unfortunately she has to defragment her hard drive
once a week or so. She'd go on to Suse herself, but as she is a 56 year
old student going for her Phd, she feels hesitant about movine over to
Suse and Open Office. The school she goes to require Microsoft Word
formatting. I assume Open Office can be formatted the same way.


It's amazing that degragging is still required in this day & age.  I ran 
OS/2 for many years, and with the HPFS file system (available in late 
'80s) defragging wasn't required.  Here it is almost 20 years later and 
Windows still requires it.



As for her PhD, OpenOffice can probably do what's required.

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Re: [opensuse] clamav

[James Knott]

John B Pace wrote:

Well, I went to the clamav website and it was as Carlos said. If it
protects email, is it used in a server that ultimately comes to my
email. And as my wife uses Windows XP and I am connected to her via
wireless, do I need to be using this antivirus program?
Have a good day!


No, as you don't have to worry about getting a virus.  Your wife does 
however.  If you had your own mail server, you might want to consider 
it, for her benefit.




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Re: [opensuse] antivirus

[James Knott]

John B Pace wrote:

So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus
software?  Interesting that the windows machines are being protected
from themselve. I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why
would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. I'm probably sticking
my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother
shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have
to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks!
John



No, it has nothing to do with distro's, though some are better than 
others.  It's the whole design of the system.  Linux, like Unix was 
designed to be multiuser and also network aware.  As a result, it has 
proper security methods.  On the other hand, Windows evolved in a single 
user, stand alone world, where security is not much of an issue. 
Further, Microsoft has done some incredibly stupid things, such as tying 
 Internet Explorer to the kernel.  This means a browser problem becomes 
an operating system problem and leaves the door wide open for malware. 
Incidentally, this was done as the result of a law suit.  They were sued 
by Netscape over bundling of IE with Windows.  MS said that was 
necessary, as IE was part of the OS.  At that time it wasn't.  IE was 
simply another app, like Netscape.  However, with the next verion of 
Windows (W98 IIRC), IE was indeed intertwined with the OS.  Other 
reasons include the fact that something is not an executable, unless 
explicitly made so.  This means that if you get a virus in your email, 
you have to save it to disk, make it executable and then run it.  It 
will not run automatically.  The list of reasons continues...



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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?

[James Knott]

Jerry Houston wrote:



Furthermore, it's not just about games.  Most business runs on Windows
machines, and is likely to for years to come.  Unless you're
independently wealthy -- such that your kids will never need to work in
the real world -- preventing them from learning how Windows works isn't
doing them any favors.


Why is it that people have to learn Windows or Microsoft Office, instead 
of how to use a computer or an office suite?  Do you teach your kids how 
to drive a Ford?  Or how to drive a car?  We should be teaching skills, 
not products.



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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

John B Pace wrote:

I was trying to get AVG anti virus installed and try it on Suse as I was
used to it on the left behind windows (Vista was it! No more
microsoft!). One had to download a tarball to go with it or it wouldn't
work. Don't ask what the name of the tarball. That was in the Fedora
distro I tried for about a week and ever true to style, I've forgotten
it. It was a tar.gz, however. Thanks for the answers. I can figure it
out now if I have to. This brings up another question. Does Suse have
some sort of security other than firewalls? I haven't seen any great
importance on anti virus/spyware programs. Thanks all. I appreciate the
friendliness and direct answers. 10 years ago when I tried it for a good
while, I couldn't get that many answers. I got a lot of people who
thought they were superior because I didn't know something. That could
be another reason people aren't using linux.  A few slaps in the face
will drive people in droves back to windows. I suspect that happened.
Well, I heard it had changed, it has, and I truly appreciate it.  John


Anti-virus software is generally not necessary with Linux, unless it's 
being used as a mail or file server in a Windows network.  AFIK, there's 
never been a viable Linux virus.



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Re: [opensuse] Replacing an icon on the desktop

[James Knott]

Stan Goodman wrote:



At the risk of revealing a degree of obtuseness that even I did not know I 
possess, here is what I see when I click MB2 on a program icon and utter the 
incantation "voila":


Open
Cut
Copy
Rename
Move to trash
Open with
Actions
Compress
Copy to
Move to
Properties

Examining the sub-options for each one of the above, I find no mention 
of "icon". What am I missing?


N.B.: It works the same way with "Eureka" instead of "voila".



Such things are usually found under Properties, no matter what OS.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: [users] How did I get this OpenOffice program?

[James Knott]

Rajko M. wrote:
> On Sunday 20 January 2008 08:12:31 pm you wrote:
>   
>> John Shelton wrote:
>> 
>>> I was not aware of the revised tutorial that was published in mid 2007
>>>   
> 
>   
>> Please respond only to the mail list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and not
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> This lands on opensuse@opensuse.org James.
>
>   
Sorry.

That's one of the "features" of lists that don't return to the list. 
You occasionally send in the wrong one.


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Re: [opensuse] tarballs

[James Knott]

John B Pace wrote:
> You are dealing with an older dummy here, but too old! I'm wanting to
> know if there is a way to install tarballs properly in Suse. To an
> extent each version of linux I have tried are different, but in each I
> have found it impossible to install a tarball.Thanks!   John
>
>   
I've installed a few, but the method often depends on the specific
tarball.  Generally, you have to untar the file, and do a make and make
install, though I prefer to replace make install with checkinstall,
which creates an RPM file, that can be managed with Yast.


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[opensuse] Re: [users] How did I get this OpenOffice program?

[James Knott]

John Shelton wrote:
> I was not aware of the revised tutorial that was published in mid 2007
> that indeed does have at least a chapter devoted to Math.  I guess I
> had more or less given up by then.  I have been to several OOo user
> group forums and have not found the information that I need on a level
> that I can relate to and understand.  I was just made aware of _this_
> user group a couple of days ago and now I am here still wishing to
> "get a grip" on the product.  You must understand that I am anything
> but a fan of Microsoft in general and my search for an alternative to
> Office is what brought me to OOo 3 or 4 years ago.  I have the new
> tutorial bookmarked and I will begin perusing it and see what I can
> get from it.  You are correct that "old habits are hard to break"  is
> certainly a factor in my difficulties with OOo.   Been using Office a
> long time.  Can you give me tips to make a transition to OOo easier,
> other than the revised tutorial?  Thank you.  John

Well, for starters, don't suddenly appear here attacking it, without
making some attempt to ask for help.

Much info can be found here: http://documentation.openoffice.org

On the same link where that Math chapter is found, there is also a
migration guide, along with others for Writer, Calc etc.

You can also buy an OpenOffice guide book here:
http://www.openoffice.blogs.com/

And you can also ask on this list.

Also, OpenOffice has changed a lot in 3 -4 years.


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[opensuse] Re: [users] How did I get this OpenOffice program?

[James Knott]

John Shelton wrote:
> I am here because I would like to find out that most of my problems
> with Open Office are related to the learning process and perhaps not
> the fault of the program itself.  Regardless of the problem, I am
> finding it very difficult to "do things" with Open Office that I am
> accustomed to doing with MS Office products. I have downloaded and
> printed a notebook sized tutorial that is very difficult to read and
> follow and understand and have yet been totally unable to find ANY
> tutorial (or any other help) for OO Math.  I find configuring OO
> Writer difficult compared with Word.  (i.e.: setting default fonts,
> page margins, inserting photo's, clip art, etc.)  There is also the
> incompatibility issue with recipients programs when sending documents
> and graphics by email.

>From http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/0216WG-MathObjects.pdf

How much of your difficulty may be because somethings are simply
different and not exactly the same as you're used to.
There may be some issues with various documents, because Microsoft has
chosen to keep formats secret, so everyone else has to reverse engineer
them.  Some of these issues also occur between different generations of
Microsoft Office.

Also, I don't recall seeing your name before.  Have you asked questions
here about your difficulties?

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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux

[James Knott]

Richard wrote:
> I suspect that many might use it as I do, for all net and surfing time, some 
> personal apps, eg gnucash.  Still have to keep a copy of Win around as I 
> coach swim teams and the software written to manage my team, keep times, run 
> meets, manage financials, etc, all run only on Win.

Have you tried running it under Wine?


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Re: [opensuse] Browser behavior

[James Knott]

Stan Goodman wrote:
> In other OSes here, When Firefox is unable to find the URL entered in the 
> navigation field, it says so (Error 404). And it is possible to enter into 
> the the field a URL less top domain, e.g. "cnn", without "com" (at least for 
> the "com" case, if not others, and FF would make the guess.
>
> That is not what happens in the browsers on my openSUSE v10.3. I have been 
> trying to understand what actually does happen -- in both Firefox and 
> Konqueror. Entering a defective URL in either browser brings the home page of 
> my own web page, and I am unable to find why or how browsers do this. My 
> Firefox home page is a blank page, not my website;  I have cleared Browsing 
> History and Cache, the only places I can think of where that URL is known to 
> Firefox (which shouldn't matter anyway to Konqueror).
>
> The same thing happens if I enter into the Alt-F2 field a program name not 
> known ti the  system: Konqueror obliges with my website.
>
> Where have I neglected to remove the offending URL?
>
> I am assuming that straightening this out will also enable browsers to 
> find "com" by themselves.
>
>   
I have never seen that behaviour. When I attempt to go to a bogus site,
both Firefox and Konqueror give an error message.


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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux

[James Knott]

Philippe Landau wrote:
> Dave Barton wrote:
>> From: Philippe Landau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> You are tenacious, Dave, great :-)
>> Some may say tenacious, others would say that I am too stupid to know
>> when to give up. ;)
> You wanted to but were kind enough to honour the efforts of list
> members :-)
>
>>> Still no joy with Lilo ?
>> Did give LiLo a shot, but the situation is even worse. On boot I get
>> half a screen full of 01s and then total lockup, requiring a hardware
>> reset. Thanks for trying to help, but I am sad to say Microsoft has
>> won this box.
> Did anyone ever attempt to make a systematic survey
> of reasons why Linux remains such a small player ?

I guess you missed how both Sears and Wal-Mart are selling $200
computers in U.S., with Linux installed.  Also, Dell, Lenovo and (IIRC)
HP are now pushing Linux on some systems.  Times are changing with Linux
coming on strong and Vista not doing so well.


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Re: [opensuse] Replacing an icon on the desktop

[James Knott]

Stan Goodman wrote:
> I have on the desktop some Java programs which are displayed as generic icons.
> I have much better icons, or can make, much more intuitive icons for these. 
> How
> must I go about replacing one for the other?
>   
Open the properties for the icon.  You'll see the icon on the first
tab.  Click on it, to choose another.
> What, if anything, must I do to convert Windows or OS/2 icons for use in the
> Llinux desktop?
>
>   

IIRC, Linux uses PNG format for icons.  I don't know about others.  So,
you'll have to convert to PNG, if Linux doesn't support what you've got.

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Re: [opensuse] Always mount a USB drive with NTFS-3G?

[James Knott]

Doctor Who wrote:
> I have a Western Digital 250GB USB drive formatted with NTFS.  I use
> it interchangeably with my openSUSE boxes and a Windows XP work
> laptop.
>
> When I plug it into my openSUSE laptop, it mounts fine and I can
> browse the contents (with Konqueror, for example).  But it does not
> let me drag files to the drive because it does not mount the drive
> with ntfs-3g support by default.
>
> Is it possible to have the drive mounted with ntfs-3g support
> automatically every time it's plugged in with it's own permanent mount
> point (like /mnt/wd/)?  If so, how?
>
> Thanks!
>   
Try formatting it with Yast Partitioner and specifying a mount point. 
This will create an FSTAB entry, that always causes it to mount correctly.

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Re: [opensuse] Serial terminal installation

[James Knott]

vasilis christaras wrote:
> It should be straight forward. That was and i think still is
> how linux is installed in computers in data centers.
> A dumb terminal connected to the server via a serial cable.
>
>   

Many servers these days come with built in KVM or you can plug in a
keyboard and monitor with not much more difficulty than a serial cable.


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Re: [opensuse] Serial terminal installation

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vasilis christaras wrote:
> It's a new system. No OS. I'm trying to install it from the opensuse DVD
> using a serial console.I can't even get past the boot loader screen of the 
> DVD.
>
>   

Is that even possible?  I've certainly never heard of it.

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Re: [opensuse] Remove KDE Desktops

[James Knott]

Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2008, Chris Arnold wrote:
>   
>> Hello all! Using 10.3 and kde3. On the panel are 4 "desktops". I want to
>> remove those from the panel. I don't see a way to do it in "look and feel"
>> module. How does someone remove those 4 desktops?
>> 
>
> Go to KDE Control Center > Desktop > Multiple Desktops.  This will allow you 
> to add/remove desktops.
>
> Jesse
>   
With that, you can reduce it to one, but not remove it from the panel.


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Re: [opensuse] Remove KDE Desktops

[James Knott]

Chris Arnold wrote:
> Hello all! Using 10.3 and kde3. On the panel are 4 "desktops". I want to 
> remove those from the panel. I don't see a way to do it in "look and feel" 
> module. How does someone remove those 4 desktops?
>   
Right click on the panel and select Panel Menu > Remove from panel >
Applet > Desktop Preview and Pager.


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Re: [opensuse] Grub Error 21

[James Knott]

Dave Barton wrote:
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re:[opensuse] Grub Error 21
> From: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: SUSE Linux 
> Date: Fri 18 Jan 2008 10:09:11 EST
>
>> Dave Barton wrote:
>>> I have just upgraded a PC for a colleague, who, after much badgering
>>> and
>>> encouragement, conceded to have a dual boot install of OpenSUSE 10.3
>>> on a second drive. Installed XP Pro on hd0, no problem. Created a
>>> FAT32 partition on hd1 using 50% of the disk capacity, leaving
>>> remainder unallocated for Linux partitions. Booted to the 10.3
>>> installation DVD and the install to hd1, including on-line updates,
>>> went perfectly, until the first reboot, where I get:
>>
>> Though I don't recall the exact details, I had a similar problem last
>> year.  IIRC, after booting with the CD and then boot installed system, I
>> went into Yast and changed where Grub started the installed SUSE
>> from. I think I had to specifiy the actual partition or something
>> like that.
>
> Thanks for the quick reply James. I have been trying a number of
> different options in the GRUB configuration, but so far I have no
> luck. Without going through the install DVD, I continually come back
> to the Error 21 :(
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
>
>
Check on the boot loader installation tab, to see where it's booting from.


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Re: [opensuse] Grub Error 21

[James Knott]

Dave Barton wrote:
> I have just upgraded a PC for a colleague, who, after much badgering and
> encouragement, conceded to have a dual boot install of OpenSUSE 10.3
> on a second drive. Installed XP Pro on hd0, no problem. Created a
> FAT32 partition on hd1 using 50% of the disk capacity, leaving
> remainder unallocated for Linux partitions. Booted to the 10.3
> installation DVD and the install to hd1, including on-line updates,
> went perfectly, until the first reboot, where I get:

Though I don't recall the exact details, I had a similar problem last
year.  IIRC, after booting with the CD and then boot installed system, I
went into Yast and changed where Grub started the installed SUSE from. 
I think I had to specifiy the actual partition or something like that.


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Re: [opensuse] How to tell ssh to log in as machine name.domain.tld?

[James Knott]

David C. Rankin wrote:
> Marcin Floryan wrote:
>> On 17/01/2008, David C. Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Ken Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> No, this is just another of my anal retentive moments where
>>> I can't
>>> understand why my machine wants to ssh out to the world as
>>> mail.3111skyline.com. It's another of my inquisitively stupid "Why?"
>>> questions. I mean, what logic on the box looks to bind dns and says, "I
>>> want to be known as mail today? Hell, why not nemesis.3111skyline.com,
>>> it real name? (Ur, Umm, the name of the box is probably at fault) I
>>> should have called the son-of-a-bitch accommodating.3111skyline.com and
>>> I wouldn't have to put up with this stuff.
>>>
>>> I know it doesn't matter, but why?
>>
>> It is simply a problem of incorrectly configured reverse DNS for the
>> domain. A lookup for 66.76.63.120 yields mail.3111skyline.com. If mail
>> and nemesis are on machine as it seems to be I would also consider
>> using CNAME.
>>
>> Regards,
>
> Ahah! lightbulb on, it's my upstream dns making the call, but same
> problem there. My upstream dns is:
>
> 3111skyline.com  A  66.76.63.120 
> ftp.3111skyline.com CNAME 3111skyline.com
> nemesis.3111skyline.com CNAME 3111skyline.com
> www.3111skyline.com CNAME 3111skyline.com
> mail.3111skyline.com MX 3111skyline.com - priority: 10
>
> Is it a coin toss for them as well?
>
No, it's whatever is the default name.

As an example, many people have call display, that shows who's calling. 
When you call someone it shows only the name you provided to the phone
company.  Now, if someone else uses your phone, will the call display
show them?  Or you?


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Re: [opensuse] How to tell ssh to log in as machine name.domain.tld?

[James Knott]

Sandy Drobic wrote:
> Marcin Floryan wrote:
>> On 17/01/2008, David C. Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Ken Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> No, this is just another of my anal retentive moments where
>>> I can't
>>> understand why my machine wants to ssh out to the world as
>>> mail.3111skyline.com. It's another of my inquisitively stupid "Why?"
>>> questions. I mean, what logic on the box looks to bind dns and says, "I
>>> want to be known as mail today? Hell, why not nemesis.3111skyline.com,
>>> it real name? (Ur, Umm, the name of the box is probably at fault) I
>>> should have called the son-of-a-bitch accommodating.3111skyline.com and
>>> I wouldn't have to put up with this stuff.
>>>
>>> I know it doesn't matter, but why?
>>
>> It is simply a problem of incorrectly configured reverse DNS for the
>> domain. A lookup for 66.76.63.120 yields mail.3111skyline.com. If mail
>> and nemesis are on machine as it seems to be I would also consider
>> using CNAME.
>
> The remote client will log the DNS-Name of the reverse lookup as the
> client name. How the client announces itself to the world is dependent
> on the hostname that was configured on the box itself.
>
Does IP now send host names along with the IP address?  Any such
announcement would have to be application dependent.  The name I've
given my firewall is "firewall" and it's listed as such in my local
hosts files.  However, no external DNS server will ever identify that
name with my IP address.



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Re: [opensuse] How to tell ssh to log in as machine name.domain.tld?

[James Knott]

Marcin Floryan wrote:
> On 17/01/2008, David C. Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Ken Schneider wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>> No, this is just another of my anal retentive moments where I can't
>> understand why my machine wants to ssh out to the world as
>> mail.3111skyline.com. It's another of my inquisitively stupid "Why?"
>> questions. I mean, what logic on the box looks to bind dns and says, "I
>> want to be known as mail today? Hell, why not nemesis.3111skyline.com,
>> it real name? (Ur, Umm, the name of the box is probably at fault) I
>> should have called the son-of-a-bitch accommodating.3111skyline.com and
>> I wouldn't have to put up with this stuff.
>>
>> I know it doesn't matter, but why?
>> 
>
> It is simply a problem of incorrectly configured reverse DNS for the
> domain. A lookup for 66.76.63.120 yields mail.3111skyline.com. If mail
> and nemesis are on machine as it seems to be I would also consider
> using CNAME.
>
> Regards,
>   
If there are multiple names pointing to the same IP address, which is
the correct one?  How is a remote computer to know?  For example, I have
a host name from my ISP and another name from someone else, both
pointing to my IP.  If I do a host lookup on my IP address, I get the
name from my ISP and not the other one.



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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

[James Knott]

G T Smith wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
> > Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> >> * James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-16-08 18:36]:
> >>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.1.11)
> >>> Gecko/20070803 SUSE/1.1.7-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.1.7
> >>> It sure looks like it says SUSE.  I'll have to capture the text, next
> >>> time I see one of those messages.
> >> click   help -> about mozilla firefox
> >>
> >> you should see:  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/firefox.suse.version.jpg
> >>
> > Both Seamonkey and Firefox show SUSE.  So, the question becomes why am I
> > seeing those update notices?
>
>
> Are these for Firefox/Thunderbird itself or the plugins? I do get update
> notices for non-SuSE plugins.
>
No, the one I saw yesterday was for Seamonkey.  I'll have to see where
the next one takes me.

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Re: [opensuse] How to tell ssh to log in as machine name.domain.tld?

[James Knott]

David C. Rankin wrote:
> Listmates,
>
> How do you tell ssh to log in as machine x.y.z? With bind running
> a single machine may be known as:
>
> ftp.domain.com
> mail.domain.com
> machinename.domain.com
> www.domain.com
>
> When using ssh outbound from that box, how do you tell it to ssh
> as machinename.domain.com and not mail.domain.com?
>
> Thanks.
>
As far as I know, you can't.  The computers talk using IP addresses and
not host names.  When you request a computer, by using a host name, your
computer contacts the DNS server to find out what the IP address is and
then uses that address to access the remote computer.  Going in reverse,
you can use host to find a host name for an IP address, but there's
nothing to indicate what name you want to be seen as.


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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

[James Knott]

Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-16-08 18:36]:
> > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.1.11)
> > Gecko/20070803 SUSE/1.1.7-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.1.7
>
> > It sure looks like it says SUSE.  I'll have to capture the text, next
> > time I see one of those messages.
>
> click   help -> about mozilla firefox
>
> you should see:  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/firefox.suse.version.jpg
>
Both Seamonkey and Firefox show SUSE.  So, the question becomes why am I
seeing those update notices?

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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

[James Knott]

Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
> James Knott schrieb:
>> Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
>>>> No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
>>>> there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
>>>> difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the "official"
>>>> SUSE update.
>>> Now I'm curious. What kind of popup do you get saying there is an
>>> update?
>>> The openSUSE RPMs shouldn't notify about any updates itself. It's done
>>> by the package management. So if you actually get these something is
>>> strange and you are probably not running an openSUSE version.
>>>
>>
>> I thought I installed the SUSE version, but could be wrong.  Is there
>> any way to tell?
>
> Help -> About tells you the user agent string. It would contain SUSE
> in case it's actually from SUSE.
>
> Wolfgang
>
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.1.11)
Gecko/20070803 SUSE/1.1.7-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.1.7

It sure looks like it says SUSE.  I'll have to capture the text, next
time I see one of those messages.


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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

[James Knott]

Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
> James Knott schrieb:
>> Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
>>> James Knott wrote:
>>>> Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
>>>> Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?
>>> Yes. Some added features for integration purposes.
>>> Firefox 2.0.0.11 counts 30 patches. The others (TB, SM) have less.
>>> Do you need details?
>>>
>>>
>> No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
>> there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
>> difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the "official"
>> SUSE update.
>
> Now I'm curious. What kind of popup do you get saying there is an update?
> The openSUSE RPMs shouldn't notify about any updates itself. It's done
> by the package management. So if you actually get these something is
> strange and you are probably not running an openSUSE version.
>

I thought I installed the SUSE version, but could be wrong.  Is there
any way to tell?


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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

[James Knott]

Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>> Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
>> Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?
>
> Yes. Some added features for integration purposes.
> Firefox 2.0.0.11 counts 30 patches. The others (TB, SM) have less.
> Do you need details?
>
> Wolfgang
>
No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the "official"
SUSE update.

tnx

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[opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

[James Knott]

Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?

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Re: [opensuse] Updates..........

[James Knott]

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> What's going on with the openSUSE sites..can't even d'l the list of
> community sites!!
>
> Fred
>
>   
They're probably running Beagle.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[James Knott]

PerfectReign wrote:
> Not to mention my Win2003 workstations.
>
>   

Yes, some things are best left unsaid.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[James Knott]

Jerry Houston wrote:
> I use remote desktop connections all the time at work, because we're
> commercial Windows software developers.  At home, however, I've always
> used a rather clumsy KVM switch to change from my Linux hardware to my
> Windows hardware.  One of the disappointments has been that doing so
> switched the audio output as well, interrupting whatever I was listening
> to whenever I've needed to work with both machines.
>
>   

Remote desktop has been part of Linux & Unix for many years.  I
regularly use XDMCP for remote access, even from work.  Then there's VNC
and RDC has been there a while too.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts

[James Knott]

Rajko M. wrote:
> On Thursday 27 December 2007 04:33:15 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>   
>> Joe Sloan wrote:
>>     
>>> James Knott wrote:
>>>   
> ...
>   
>> And then the NIS map of the automount files can be used
>> to allow ANY workstation to automount the home directory
>> located on the user's "usual" workstation.
>> 
>
> Aaron, 
>
> what is with your clock? 
>
> Is it adjusting to corespondent time?
>
>   
Maybe he's back dating his messages.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] Help - My system in only starting on blck screen

[James Knott]

bandoneon 08 wrote:
> My system is starting only on the black screen.
> It is asking me the login an password, and it stays that way.
>
> How can I come back to the GUI?
>
> THe last thing I did yestarday was reconfiguring the smpppd on the
> yast System. System services (run level)
>
>   

Type startx to start the desktop or edit /etc/inittab to change
id:3:initdefault: to id:5:initdefault:
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Re: [opensuse] strange IP

[James Knott]

jdd wrote:
> Hello :-))
>
> Any time networkmanager fail to find a dhcp server (for example if
> there are none available :-)) it gives me the IP 169.254.16.90
>
> shouldn't it continue searching (may be the server is just rebooting)
> and from where do this IP come?? (I have no idea, never used such one
> and nslookup dont give anything)
>

That's a "link local" address.  The idea is you can connect two
computers together, without benefit of a DHCP server or manual
configuration.  The 169.254.x.x range is supposed to be blocked by
routers, so you should never see one of those addresses on the
internet.  Windows and Mac systems do it too.


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Re: [opensuse] Access a remote openSuSE installation sitting behind NAT

[James Knott]

Marcin Floryan wrote:

Hi!

I have recently installed a fresh openSuSE 10.3 for one of my friends
who mainly uses his box to browse the Internet and has little
technical skills. It seems like he has some problems with the sound
card setup and I would like to investigate but have no access to the
computer (ie. physical) and though on broadband the machine is behind
a NAT (and possibly a firewall) with no public IP so can't connect to
it either.

Is there a way that I could access the machine (ssh, vnc) with as
little user intervention as possible (ideally just a simple command).
I sit behind a NAT myself by should be able to configure some port
forwarding if necessary.

Any suggestions welcome.


You'll have to configure his firewall to forward ssh to his computer. 
Then use ssh -X to enable X forwarding and you can then run any 
application remotely.  You can probably do similar with OpenVNC, but I 
haven't tried it.



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Re: [opensuse] [OT] windows scam

[James Knott]

Joe Sloan wrote:
> Doug McGarrett wrote:
>   
>> For those dual booting, or otherwise running Windows, I got this
>> message on my Linux (only) machine:
>> 
>
> 
>
>   
>> http://www.updatew.org/?q=scan
>>
>>  I wouldn't dare
>> run this on this Linux machine, nor especially on my Windows machine.
>> (It would be interesting to see what it would make of SuSE, but I
>> don't think I'm going to find out!)
>> 
>
> I've no need to be timid - I'm running linux after all ;)
>
> I visited the site, and like Randall, I was treated to a silly dog and
> pony show in which the remote system was "scanning my system" (as IF!),
> and found several serious issues. I played along with the gag and
> clicked the "remove all" button and up popped a shopping cart and they
> were ready to collect my payment info. I cancelled out at that point,
> but it was good for a few chuckles.
>
> Joe
>   
Unfortunately, there are many who will believe it and buy.  Such
"marketing" is fraudulent.


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Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook

[James Knott]

Ken Schneider wrote:
> James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
>   
>> Ritchie Fraser wrote:
>> 
>>> On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution
>>>> data to M$ outlook
>>>>
>>>> Alfredo.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Hi Alfredo
>>>
>>> I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it 
>>> will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then 
>>> be 
>>> imported into your preferred e-Mail client...
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend...
>>>
>>> Search for "linux import outlook email"...
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> Firefox is a browser, why would it import/export mail?
>>
>>
>> 
> It won't which is why Richie said to use firebird.
>
>   
Well, there's Firefox, Thunderbird and Sunbird.  I don't see any Mozilla
Firebird.


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Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook

[James Knott]

Ritchie Fraser wrote:
> On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution
>> data to M$ outlook
>>
>> Alfredo.
>> 
>
> Hi Alfredo
>
> I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it 
> will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then be 
> imported into your preferred e-Mail client...
>
> Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend...
>
> Search for "linux import outlook email"...
>
>   
Firefox is a browser, why would it import/export mail?


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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Einstein's Plagiarism

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> so by this latest evidence,
> the 9-11 plot goes all the way back to the "Roaring `20's",
> before the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
>
>
Both of which were Dubya's fault!  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] Adding files to an ISO

[James Knott]

Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
> Fri, 04 Jan 2008, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>   
>> Is it possible to mount an ISO, and files to it and then save it so that
>> it can then be used to create a CD with the new file included?  Is there
>> a better way to do this?
>> 
>
> Look for isomaster
> $ rpm -qi isomaster
> Name: isomasterRelocations: (not relocatable)
> Version : 1.2   Vendor: 
> http://packman.links2linux.de
> Release : 0.pm.1Build Date: Sat Oct 27 10:44:46 
> 2007
> Install Date: Tue Oct 30 00:14:36 2007  Build Host: packman-bs
> Group   : Productivity/Multimedia/Other   Source RPM: 
> isomaster-1.2-0.pm.1.src.rpm
>
> Theo
>   
tnx


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[opensuse] Adding files to an ISO

[James Knott]

Is it possible to mount an ISO, and files to it and then save it so that
it can then be used to create a CD with the new file included?  Is there
a better way to do this?

tnx jk

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Re: [opensuse] /boot

[James Knott]

K.R. Foley wrote:

Rasmus Plewe wrote:

On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:11:48PM +0200, Dirk Moolman wrote:

Question:  what happens if /boot gets full  (Use% = 100%)

How will this affect the server ?

Your next kernel update will fail.


Rasmus


It is worth noting that nothing should typically be writing to /boot
except for kernel installs/updates.



Yast also puts memtest there.


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Re: [opensuse] CD to MP3 - Way OT

[James Knott]

jdd wrote:
> Carlos E. R. a écrit :
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>>
>>
>> The Thursday 2008-01-03 at 22:01 +0100, jdd wrote:
>>
>>> closer, but not identical. In fact standard audio cd have no file
>>> system, only some sort of raw data, so even wav files make ages to read
>>>
>>> however, given the size of disks, making mp3s have less interest
>>>
>>> wav (or flac) files are nearly losless
>>
>> Make that "completely losless".
>
> I know that's said, but I doubt it's real. Once wav file done, the
> copy have no more problem, but I'm not sure that the wavs file made by
> two different apps from the same track will be exactly the same.
>
> I don't think the real meaningfull content is different (the music),
> but the beginning of the track, the inclusion or not of the 2s silence
> track... all this is not clear (However I didn't experiment this - yet)
>
> jdd
>
Assuming they're using the same track, the .WAV files should be
identical.  The CD is already digital.  It's a stream of data that
shouldn't be changed, when copying to a file.


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Re: [opensuse] how to mount ext2 USB-stick as user

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>
> The Thursday 2008-01-03 at 22:26 -0700, Carlos F. Lange wrote:
>
> > On Thu January 3 2008 17:44:45 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> >>> And in case I connect it to someone else's machine, it will be
> >>> mounted with however is user UID in their machine, which might not
> >>> be the current user and then the permissions are not right, etc.
> >>
> >> then make the owner of the partition "users"
> >>
> >> ie: chmod users:users /mnt/
> >>
> >> and "anyone" in users can access it.
>
> > For that I need to be root, which in the general case neither me nor the
> > owner of the machine may be. That is the convenience of the vfat
> > partition that Hal mounts as owned by the currently active user, as
> > with the "users" option of mount.
>
> > Can I set something on my USB ext2 partition to tell Hal to automount it
> > as owned by the user?
>
> No. Unix type filesystems are mounted with permissions marked by the
> filesystem, not by whom is mounting it.
>
> Interesting problem, this... universal access to an usb stick as user
> plugged in by the user. Mind, on some places usb sticks are banned, and
> the usb bus is disabled in hardware, so that employees can not use usb
> sticks to violate security protocols.
>

It should be interesting when only USB mice and keyboards are available. ;-)

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Re: [opensuse] how to mount ext2 USB-stick as user

[James Knott]

Carlos F. Lange wrote:
> On Thu January 3 2008 17:44:45 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>   
>>> And in case I connect it to someone else's machine, it will be
>>> mounted with however is user UID in their machine, which might not
>>> be the current user and then the permissions are not right, etc.
>>>   
>> then make the owner of the partition "users"
>>
>> ie: chmod users:users /mnt/
>>
>> and "anyone" in users can access it.
>> 
>
> For that I need to be root, which in the general case neither me nor the 
> owner of the machine may be. That is the convenience of the vfat 
> partition that Hal mounts as owned by the currently active user, as 
> with the "users" option of mount.
>
> Can I set something on my USB ext2 partition to tell Hal to automount it 
> as owned by the user?
>
>   
Given that it's entirely possible to have multiple users logged in at
the same time, which user would own it?


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Re: [opensuse] CD to MP3 - Way OT

[James Knott]

Guido Pinkernell wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 06:35:22 schrieb Bob S:

Hi SuSE people,,



So my question is what is the best program to convert my
huge collection of music CD's  to MP3 format so that I
can load the music on the MP3 player.


No need to convert.

I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD 
comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in 
konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.


Guido


Audio CD's are closer to WAV files, which are huge.  They have to be 
converted to MP3 or ogg.



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Re: [opensuse] deleting soft links

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Istvan Gabor wrote:

Hello:

How can I delete only soft link files from a directory using the 
command line? I have too many files to delete them one by 
one.


I don't know of any command that will do that, though you could build a 
script around find, with the type or xtype tests, to find the files to 
delete.



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Re: [opensuse] Where do I put scripts for run at Startup

[James Knott]

Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Sunday 30 December 2007 18:48:14 Joe Sloan wrote:
>   
>> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> 
>>> Joe Sloan wrote:
>>>   
 Mark Weaver wrote:
 
> Hi all,
>
> While I'm not at all new to Linux, I'm quite new to Suse Linux and
> having a bit of a challenge finding where certain things are located.
>
> I've got a bash script that initializes my wireless adapter and on
> redhat based systems I'm call the script from rc.local, but so far as
> I can see there isn't such a file on my OpenSuse 10.3 system. I guess
> my question is where is the Suse equivilant of the rc.local file
> located?
>   
 All init scripts are in /etc/init.d - have a look at boot.local
 
>>> That's the "99 1/2% right" answer.
>>>   
>> OK I admit, your answer was more thorough - but in my defense, I knew
>> that he was looking for the equivalent of the redhat rc.local script, so
>> I didn't mention those other areas.
>> 
>
> Well, rc.local runs after all other runlevel scripts, so boot.local isn't 
> really an equivalent, since it runs before everything. For example, when 
> boot.local runs, there is (usually) no network running, and no services have 
> been started
>   

Then use after.local.


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Re: [opensuse] Downgrade to Vista

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Kai Ponte wrote:
> On Sun, December 30, 2007 6:50 am, Mike McMullin wrote:
>
>   
>>> Unless anyone has further suggestions, it appears I need to
>>> downgrade
>>> to Vista (which came with the laptop) and bite the bullet.
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>   
>>   Having followed your discussion on encrypting partitions, I was
>> actually wondering if you might not just need to fake a partition in a
>> file, encrypt the fake partition, and only mount that when needed?  I
>> already have 10.3 on my laptop, and running smooth enough, so I was
>> pondering doing this for the stuff I need kept safe.
>>
>> 
>
> Well, ideas happen at the weirdest moments.
>
> I woke up this morning by having my seven-year-old jump onto my bed
> and almost crushing me in the process.
>
> For some reason, the first thought I had, while lying there in pain
> was - hey: I can install XP on a smallish partition and have them
> encrypt that. Then I install SUSE 10.3 on the rest of the machine and
> it will be "compliant".
>
> I'm gonna try that. We'll see how it goes.
>
>
>
>   
How much has to be encrypted?  You should be able to encrypt /home and
perhaps use a swap file, and configure the system to delete the swap
file on shut down and then recreate it on boot.  You can also configure
the system to clear /tmp on boot.



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Re: [opensuse] Re: Installing OS2008 on N800

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James Knott wrote:
> Piotr Zagorowski wrote:
>   
>> what's the harm of using web search?
>> simple query leads you to nokia website, nokia website leads you to
>> os2008 website and on os2008 website there is maemo logo which leads
>> you to meamo website and there we are. it takes about 7 min..
>>
>> 
>
> And what's the harm of putting a link on the page where the image is
> located?  Or on the Nokia page that points to it?  If a user goes to the
> Nokia or maemo page, why should it be necessary to search for anything? 
> Put the link where someone will find it.  Don't expect someone to search
> when the instructions should be where the update is.
>
> What is so hard to understand about that?
>
>   
Sorry, sent to wrong list.


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[opensuse] Re: Installing OS2008 on N800

[James Knott]

Piotr Zagorowski wrote:
> what's the harm of using web search?
> simple query leads you to nokia website, nokia website leads you to
> os2008 website and on os2008 website there is maemo logo which leads
> you to meamo website and there we are. it takes about 7 min..
>

And what's the harm of putting a link on the page where the image is
located?  Or on the Nokia page that points to it?  If a user goes to the
Nokia or maemo page, why should it be necessary to search for anything? 
Put the link where someone will find it.  Don't expect someone to search
when the instructions should be where the update is.

What is so hard to understand about that?

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Re: [opensuse] Where do I put scripts for run at Startup

[James Knott]

Mark Weaver wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> While I'm not at all new to Linux, I'm quite new to Suse Linux and having a 
> bit of a challenge finding where certain things are located.
>
> I've got a bash script that initializes my wireless adapter and on redhat 
> based systems I'm call the script from rc.local, but so far as I can see 
> there isn't such a file on my OpenSuse 10.3 system. I guess my question is 
> where is the Suse equivilant of the rc.local file located?
>
> thanks,
>
> Mark
>   
/etc/init.d/boot.local


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Re: [opensuse] Why the SMTP delay? (was Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts )

[James Knott]

Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Friday 28 December 2007 11:03, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>   
>> ...
>> 
>>> cool your knickers and get more information before condemning. 
>>> GMail provides web, pop and imap and smtp services.
>>>   
>> Really?
>> 
>
> Really.
>
>
>   
>> When did they add that?
>> 
>
> 1982?
>
>
> RRS
>   
Hmmm...  I didn't realize GMail had been around for 25 years.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] Why the SMTP delay? (was Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts )

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> * Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-28-07 09:33]:
>>> I hate web-mailwaiting...waiting...waiting for
>>> a stupid web-page to be built, transmitted and rendered
>>> just to read a text message is too annoying.
>>
>> cool your knickers and get more information before condemning. GMail
>> provides web, pop and imap and smtp services.
>
> Really.
>
> When did they add that?
>
>
They've had it as long as I've had access and that's a couple of years
or so. I use imap.


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Re: [opensuse] Why the SMTP delay? (was Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts )

[James Knott]

Jerry Houston wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>> I wasn't referring to your messages. It can happen to anyone. For
>> example, yesterday I noticed replies on another mail list, but the
>> original that those messages replied to, didn't appear until hours later.
>>   
>> 
>
> It depends on a lot of factors:  the routing involved, whose server is
> down for maintenance or backups, etc.
>
>   
I suppose, though my own mail was coming in regularly and I did see the
replies which came from the same server as the OP.  The headers showed
all the messages were received by my ISP shortly before I received
them.  I suppose I'm correct in assuming the original was actually sent
before the replies.  ;-)

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Re: [opensuse] Why the SMTP delay? (was Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts )

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>>
>>> hotpop.com has been flaky lately.
>>>
>>> sometimes it's taking 2-3 days to get messages off of
>>> my machine to smtp.hotpop.com. :-/
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, there's not much I can do about it,
>>> other than switch to a pay service for POP access --
>>> which I will probably do within the next year..but
>>> for now, I'm kinda stuck with these glitches.
>>>
>>>
>> What I find curious is when replyies to a post appear before the post
>> does.  I've seen some that were hours or even days later than the
>> messages that replied to them.  That's happened on this list and others.
>>
>>
>
> Because hotpop's smtp host is flaky.
> For some reason, occasionally, it will stop accepting
> outgoing mail -- even though I can do this:
>
> telnet smtp.hotpop.com 25
>
> and get a valid response (i.e. data sent to the
> smtp port is being sent).
>
> There seems to be some sort of problem with their
> user account validation, or something.  They have
> a trouble-ticket system, but i've never seen
> any activity on it (other than my own follow
> up comments).  I've even told them that if they
> would just be RESPONSIVE, I would be happy to
> upgrade to a pay account.  Even that hasn't
> prompted even the slightest acknowledgement
> of a trouble-ticket other than the software's
> built-in auto-responder.
>
>
I wasn't referring to your messages.  It can happen to anyone.  For
example, yesterday I noticed replies on another mail list, but the
original that those messages replied to, didn't appear until hours later.

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Re: [opensuse] Why the SMTP delay? (was Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts )

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
> hotpop.com has been flaky lately.
>
> sometimes it's taking 2-3 days to get messages off of
> my machine to smtp.hotpop.com. :-/
>
> Unfortunately, there's not much I can do about it,
> other than switch to a pay service for POP access --
> which I will probably do within the next year..but
> for now, I'm kinda stuck with these glitches.
>
>
What I find curious is when replyies to a post appear before the post
does.  I've seen some that were hours or even days later than the
messages that replied to them.  That's happened on this list and others.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>> primm wrote:
>>>>> What NFS allows is the user id number, not name.  This means is if
>>>>> user
>>>>> A is 1000 on one system.  Another user 1000 on another system will
>>>>> have
>>>>> access to A's files.  The key is make sure user ID's are consistent
>>>>> across all systems.  Someone with root access could of course
>>>>> create a
>>>>> new user with whatever ID they want or use an existing ID.
>>>>>
>>>> I setup the nfs server with yast. I setup the nfs clients with Yast.
>>>> Yast tells me nothing about id. It doen't say, 'are you sure you want
>>>> to continue becaus this is s big security risk'.
>>>>
>>>> I come back to my original worry: I'm the only one with root access
>>>> on any box on my network. Yast set it up for me. What are my
>>>> problems? I'm sorry to have to ask for confirmation.
>>> Just make sure that each user on your network has a UNIQUE
>>> user ID number ... if Joe has user ID 1002 on one machine,
>>> and Jane has user ID 1002 on another machine, then you will
>>> have problems.
>>>
>>> You want Joe to have the same user ID (say 1002) on every
>>> machine, and Jane to have her own user ID (say 1003) on
>>> every machine.
>>>
>>> The easiest way to do this is with NIS.
>>
>> With the Windows Domain Login, one option is to create a home
>> directory.  Is this possible with NIS?
>
> Yes.  It's been a standard part of NIS since the late 1980's
> The home directories are either automounted, or you just keep
> mount /home to all of the clients via NFS.
>
> Automounting individual home directories is slightly
> more secure, but also a pain in the neck if one person
> has to visit other user's directories on a regular
> basis... then they have to wait for automount to
> negotiate the mount every time they go to a new
> user's home directory.
>
> For a small business, NFS-mounting all of /home
> is feasible.  For a large organization, like General
> Motors Engineering Division, it's not practical,
> and each user's home directory must be individually
> auto-mounted.
>
> [This has nothing to do with user ID's, and
> everything to do with disk-space management --
> in the GM scenario, users' home directories
> are spread over a few dozen servers.
>
> > If not what does one use for a home directory, when logged
> > onto a computer without a home directory for that user?
>

I'm well aware of mounting a common /home via NFS, but was curious about
what would happen with NIS, if someone logged in, without a /home directory.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> primm wrote:
>>> What NFS allows is the user id number, not name.  This means is if user
>>> A is 1000 on one system.  Another user 1000 on another system will have
>>> access to A's files.  The key is make sure user ID's are consistent
>>> across all systems.  Someone with root access could of course create a
>>> new user with whatever ID they want or use an existing ID.
>>>
>>
>> I setup the nfs server with yast. I setup the nfs clients with Yast.
>> Yast tells me nothing about id. It doen't say, 'are you sure you want
>> to continue becaus this is s big security risk'.
>>
>> I come back to my original worry: I'm the only one with root access
>> on any box on my network. Yast set it up for me. What are my
>> problems? I'm sorry to have to ask for confirmation.
>
> Just make sure that each user on your network has a UNIQUE
> user ID number ... if Joe has user ID 1002 on one machine,
> and Jane has user ID 1002 on another machine, then you will
> have problems.
>
> You want Joe to have the same user ID (say 1002) on every
> machine, and Jane to have her own user ID (say 1003) on
> every machine.
>
> The easiest way to do this is with NIS.

With the Windows Domain Login, one option is to create a home
directory.  Is this possible with NIS?  If not what does one use for a
home directory, when logged onto a computer without a home directory for
that user?


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[opensuse] Re: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[James Knott]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
> The new menu is intended for thumb use. It is not supposed to be used
> with stylus, we have
> made several improvements to improve thumb use, and for example I
> don't use stylus nowadays
> in most basic functions, somehow it is more natural to use fingers
> than stylus on this
> device, maybe partly because of the keyboard and not having third hand
> for using stylus.
> Not everything is thumb-usable, but I would like to encourage you to
> try it out, it makes
> some things easier to do. It is always a compromise between being able
> to use your
> thumb and seeing maybe a bit less or using stylus to hit small things.
> There are plusses on
> both.
>
>
So, you use your thumb to select then have to switch to using the stylus
to work with the app.  This is an improvement over using the stylus for
both?  The same thing often happens in desktop computer.  While the
mouse is useful for many things, there are others where the keyboard is
more efficient.  Good design allows for both, but forcing mouse use when
the keyboard should be used is a bad idea.  So, if I'm in one app, using
the stylus and use the menu to open another, I either have to scroll
with my left hand over the screen or switch from stylus to thumb and
then back to stylus again.  That doesn't sound like such an improvement
to me.



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Re: [opensuse] search for word in huge txt file

[James Knott]

Afan Pasalic wrote:
> I just installed MC (using Yast) but can't find it and start it?!?!?

What happens if you open a terminal session and type "mc"?

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Re: [opensuse] search for word in huge txt file

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Afan Pasalic wrote:
> 1.5x RAM (recommended).

IIRC, that recommendation is obsolete.

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Re: [opensuse] search for word in huge txt file

[James Knott]

Afan Pasalic wrote:
> I would report that as a bug - unless you really have too little
> memory
>
> 1GB, should be enough, right?
>

Depends on how big the words are.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] search for word in huge txt file

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Afan Pasalic wrote:
> Randall R Schulz wrote:
>> On Monday 24 December 2007 09:49, Afan Pasalic wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> I have 1.6 GB big text file and I have to find if there is a specific
>>> word in the file.
>>> Every time I try
>>> $> grep -i "word" file.txt
>>> I'll get message: "grep: memory exhausted".
>>
>> Try fgrep. It doesn't use regular expression matching (and your "word"
>> is a simple fixed string, so it will work for that).
>
> "grep: memory exhausted" again
> :(
>
>
How much memory & swap have you got?


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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[James Knott]

Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Monday 24 December 2007 09:11, James Knott wrote:
>   
>> ...
>>
>> Boilers requires a specific trade to install & service, because when
>> water heats, it expands and releases steam, which cause a significant
>> increase in pressure.  A boiler that ruptures under pressure is
>> comparable to a bomb.
>> 
>
> Even worse, in some sense: it's a BLEVE!
>
>   

What does "BLEVE" mean?

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

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Rajko M. wrote:
> On Monday 24 December 2007 04:05:52 am Dave Plater wrote:
>   
>> Rajko M. wrote:
>> 
>>> On Monday 24 December 2007 02:56:18 am Dave Plater wrote:
>>>   
> Computers are far more complex than plumbing, even in the most
> rudimentary use. Book that describes computer basics has few hundred
> pages. How many pages is needed to describe plumbing from A to Z ?
>   
 carefull you don't insult plumber

 merry christmas
 dave
 
>>> Don't worry ;-)
>>>
>>> They know that computers are not easy as plumbing.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmass to you too.
>>>   
>> If a plumber connects a hot water system wrong it can explode an destroy
>> the computer downstairs as well as half the house.
>> Dave
>> 
>
> Hmm ... 
> It seems that I'm missing something, but forgive me and let me now how that 
> can happen. 
>   

Boilers requires a specific trade to install & service, because when
water heats, it expands and releases steam, which cause a significant
increase in pressure.  A boiler that ruptures under pressure is
comparable to a bomb.  And for gas heat, the system is built by gas
fitters, who deal with the issues of safely working with natural gas
systems etc.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts

[James Knott]

Hans Witvliet wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 23:26 -0800, Robert Smits wrote:
>   
>> On December 23, 2007 02:24:16 pm Randall R Schulz wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> As ever, the U.S. and the U.K. are two nations separated by a common
>>> language.
>>>   
>> And those of us in Canada aren't too sure about either of you.
>>
>> Yanks can't spell and the Brits drive on the wrong side of the road...
>>
>> :-) :-)
>> 
>
> Wrong, wrong, what a harsh word...All is relative, 
> (according to my mirror. ;-)
>
> besides, from the time i worked in Monza, i remember that the Italians
> drive on either side of the road that was the least crowded
>
>
>   
I recall reading that in France, one way signs are considered a
suggestion.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

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Rajko M. wrote:
> On Sunday 23 December 2007 11:03:42 pm Stevens wrote:
>   
>> On Sunday 23 December 2007 18:11, Terry Eck wrote:
>> 
>>> From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary:
>>> idiot, 1: a person afflicted with idiocy; esp: a feebleminded person
>>> having a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete
>>> custodial care.
>>>
>>> I think you mean an ignorant person.
>>>   
>> Nope. Idiot is the correct word to describe the vast majority of otherwise
>> "educated" people who sit in front of a computer. Their actions
>> fit the dictionary definition to a T. Just ask anyone who has worked
>> desktop support. I know degreed professionals that will call up and
>> tell me that they can't get on the internet when what they really mean
>> is that they cannot access a web page somewhere. They don't
>> understand what Internet Exploder or Firefox is but they know if
>> they can get into Yahoo (which is their home page). They use web-based
>> email instead of a local pop3 client only because they cannot
>> understand the difference, even after it is explained for the umpteenth
>> time. After all that, they still cannot understand that their email is
>> in some server in Northern California (with Yahoo mail, of course)
>> Etc ad infinitum.
>>
>> The scary part is that these people vote.
>>
>> I say again: IDIOTS
>> 
>
> Stevens,
>
> Be careful calling the names and showing so little understanding how big is 
> human kind knowledge. 
>
> Doctor, lawyer, financial advisor, teller, car mechanic, electronic repairer, 
> plumber, electrician, roofer, etc, etc, don't complain when customer can't 
> describe problem or his ideas using exact names, it doesn't matter how 
> educated or not is a customer. 
>
> Doctor that doesn't know plumbing is not considered as unusual, but in your 
> opinion the same doctor that doesn't know how to use computer is?! 
> What's wrong in this picture? 
>
> Computers are far more complex than plumbing, even in the most rudimentary 
> use. Book that describes computer basics has few hundred pages. How many 
> pages is needed to describe plumbing from A to Z ?
>
>   
I don't expect people to be able to repair their computer, camera, VCR
etc.  I do expect them to make some effort to learn how to use it
properly.  A plumber or electrician not only has to know how to do their
work, but must also comply with the applicable building & safety codes
etc.  Those can total hundreds of pages.  Hopefully, your doctor has
read a book or two.  Imagine going to your doctor and saying "I'm not
feeling well, fix the problem" and not providing any further info.




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