Re: [opensuse] NO PERSONAL REPLIES TO POSTINGS ON THIS LIST!!
... windows sucks linux rocks Now you're catching on! Catching on what? -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-12-08 at 11:54 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: If you are using procmail this receipe will add a Reply-To: header I have been using that one for years: some one told me that here. Even comp.mail.pine suggested the/a procmail recipe. I wonder what's wrong in this world? :P By the way, I have another recipe to put direct replies out of sight ;-) (three recipe types: list, copy, direct (order is important)) :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: opensuse-es | /usr/bin/formail -bfi 'Reply-To:OS-es [EMAIL PROTECTED]' :0 a: $HOME/Mail/lists/opensuse-es ... :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: opensuse | /usr/bin/formail -bfi 'Reply-To:OpenSuSE-en opensuse@opensuse.org' :0 a: $HOME/Mail/lists/opensuse # Duplicates (ie, cced) :0 * ^TO_((opensuse|opensuse-factory|opensuse-project|opensuse-es|opensuse-security)@opensuse.org) $HOME/Mail/lists/in_dups # --- resto - :0 $HOME/Mail/lists/in_rsto So... I really don't care if people send me a reply to the list and a private copy, I don't see them - unless I want to. And real direct replies I also have in another folder, so I don't confuse them. No problem. Unless the mail is big, I don't really bother bothering ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFexwTtTMYHG2NR9URAsjyAJ46WOQI7u9FybQwxp63Nt6rjQ0yngCghqA5 eVKhog2W4oxB0kpwLGyl23U= =wltp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-12-08 at 07:57 +0100, Clayton wrote: So.. can anyone point to any other mailing list that has Reply-to set the same as the opensuse lists? I would really like to see it... sourceforge lists do not set it; yahoogroups does. Is yahoo linux or windows oriented? ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFez8stTMYHG2NR9URApC9AJ9+SKgjIUYFjWcoGDM/zlx1lnNWzQCfcgZu D0112Yso8kR0j9ku+Wo= =SBmG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-09-06 15:30]: By the way, I have another recipe to put direct replies out of sight ;-) Or just remove duplicate list/direct replies and be done with it: # --- # remove duplicate messages # --- LOCKFILE = msgid.cache.lock :0 Whc: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 16384 msgid.cache LOCKFILE ### save duplicates in case of error :0 a: $MAILDIR/duplicates # --- -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-12-09 at 18:24 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Or just remove duplicate list/direct replies and be done with it: ... :0 Whc: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 16384 msgid.cache No, I don't like that method, and I tried it years ago. It will keep the first copy you get and discard the rest, whereas I want to ensure keeping the email that was sent to the list. I can delete the copy myself: after all, 1500 dups (7.1 Mb) in 3 years isn't that much :-P It is similar to what gmail does: it even considers duplicated the sent email and the received copy from the list. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFe14xtTMYHG2NR9URAv1iAKCR+D1hmYzL4DbtSnL4Dmc0+hFfbgCfeP0I WIPWJvOmaOvmoTxkOglOFyo= =suA5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-09-06 20:11]: It is similar to what gmail does: it even considers duplicated the sent email and the received copy from the list. I work around that with gmail by using fetchmail from gmail and my provider for smtp rather than gmail. That way I see my posts to the list, but . choice is choice and your's is respected :^).. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you are using procmail this receipe will add a Reply-To: header I have been using that one for years: some one told me that here. Even comp.mail.pine suggested the/a procmail recipe. I wonder what's wrong in this world? :P -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 08:40 +0100, Clayton wrote: the remainder, at most one quarter do not set a reply-to header back to the list. Among those that do set a reply-to header back to the list: Debian, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Fedora, Fontconfig, KDE, MC. Among those that do not: Samba. OK, interesting. I don't subscribe to Fedora, Mandriva etc, and with my Ubuntu stuff I use the forums. Well, at least the openSUSE list isn't alone in the Reply-to formatting... and that's a good point for all involved who are grousing about how this list is set up. This list isn't the only one, as Felix kindly indicated several others - and not obscure mailing lists either - that use the same Reply-to formatting as we do here. Thanks, I appreciate your info on this :-) (I wonder if there is the same degree of moaning and gnashing of teeth over the Reply-to formatting on these other lists as there is here?) C. in evolution it's just ctrl-l -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-08-06 00:13]: So pop gmail with kmail. Reply via smtp thru gmail. NO, smtp thru your own provider or someone _other_ than gmail so you can see your own posts. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/08/2006 01:57 AM somebody named Clayton wrote: You know... I don't really care one way or the other how the reply-to works on this list... and we've thrashed it to death a dozen times per year... and the more vocal members of this list all yell and shout about how this list is configured correctly yadda yadda... we even had a vote, and the majority spoke. Which is fine with me. I have a serious question though. Are there actually any other mailing lists that are configured the way the opensuse mailing lists are? I'm currently a member of a couple dozen mailing lists, and not one has ever behaved the way this list's reply-to is set. Not one. Not once in roughly 20 years of internet, usenet and BBS use. So.. can anyone point to any other mailing list that has Reply-to set the same as the opensuse lists? I would really like to see it... I'm not asking this list to change - it's been like this for as long as I can remember, and I don't mind it cuz I'm used to having to always correct the To: address field when I reply. I would just like some point of reference... to see other mailing lists that behave the same way as ours does. C. Clayton, Very well put. I've been on mailing lists since before there was linux, and I've set up and managed dozens of mailing lists, and I'm currently a member of about 40 lists, and over these decades on these various lists, *none* of them functioned/functions the way this one does. (Well, about a decade ago one of them sent replies to the OP, this was pointed out to the list management, and it was fixed in a day.) Advocates of the nonsensical suse method of list operations have told us and continue to tell us (tossing in insults along the way) that they're smarter than the rest of the world and so to change things to a sensible configuration would be making an admission they can't make. So this list will never change and people will never stop pointing out that it should be changed, users will continue to hear that they need to use some particular mail client in some singular way to read and reply to this particular list and that if they don't, they're stupid and all other lists in the world are stupid too. So we can't harbor any illusions that way this list (mal)functions will change. We're just going to have to live with it and the huge noise ratio it spawns. I've adopted a sense of humor about the whole thing. The so-called experts continually provide me a good chuckle. In fact, I'm hoping this list continue to operate in its peculiar fashion long enough for it to make it into a comedy sketch on TV (like one of the experts using ALL CAPS to make a simple technical misconfiguration, one he advocates, into a netiquette issue). Then, when my friends and acquaintances try to tell me about some hilarious show they saw on TV, I'll be able to say I was there and, yeah, it was really a hoot. -- Peace hath her victories no less renown'd than war. --John Milton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:43, J Sloan wrote: Jan Engelhardt wrote: snip Just cut it already if you are not going to produce something useful (like the procmail recipe - thanks at this point to Rob Unsworth). It's interesting to see _you_ talking about windbloze though you are using kmail -- a click-and-colorful GUI like ... Windows users use. But he's running it a unix OS, not windoze... Claiming that anything GUI is somehow like windoze is just plain silly. I througoughly agree! I just posted a similar response yesterday on linuxquestions as well. That fact that most of us want an easy to use, intuitive GUI for our daily tasks does not mean we like or advocate Windows. Microsoft - as usual - took many ideas from other companies and combined them into a very easy to use and somewhat standardized GUI format. This format is easily recognizable and transferrable to different OS platforms - Windows, KDE, GNOME, MACOS - for example. If I were running on my old SPARC 5 with SUN OS and XWindows, you'd see similar functionality. (Though the GUI wasn't as nice.) For those few who want to stick with non GUI interfaces, that's just fine. I don't blame you and will let you pass on your way. For the rest of us, please let us be! Even unrelated to that, saying things like winbloze reveals the naiveness and FUD that hides behind windows sucks linux rocks statements. IMHO there's nothing naive about saying that windoze sucks, rather it' a sign of sentient life! Again, I concur. Using terms like Winblows, or Wintendo (my favorite) or Microshaft or other derogatory terms is just fine. It does not show any naiveness or spread FUD. It is opinion, nothing more. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, On Friday 08 December 2006 17:05, ken wrote: Advocates of the nonsensical suse method of list operations have told us and continue to tell us (tossing in insults along the way) that they're smarter than the rest of the world and so to change things to a sensible configuration would be making an admission they can't make. So this list will never change and people will never stop pointing out that it should be changed, users will continue to hear that they need to use some particular mail client in some singular way to read and reply to this particular list and that if they don't, they're stupid and all other lists in the world are stupid too. So we can't harbor any illusions that way this list (mal)functions will change. We're just going to have to live with it Right. Please just live with it. It doesn't really matter what you or I or any other individual is convinced is the right way to do it (and there are arguments for both sides). It also doesn't matter how other list admins run their lists. What matters is what the list admin of this lists feels is the right setup. Nothing else really. That is unless ... ... unless he invites people to vote on this. And guess what: he did. And guess again: the majority of voters wanted it the way it is now (the setup you disagree with). Go and search in the archives. It's just a few months ago. Stop arguing about this please. Greetings from Stuhr hartmut -- Hartmut Meyer, NTS EMEA Partner Relationship Manager SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg T: +49 421 3064385 - M: +49 179 2279480 F: +49 421 3064387 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 - Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux pgpEkTjTuH7MD.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Dec 8 2006 17:47, Hartmut Meyer wrote: ... unless he invites people to vote on this. And guess what: he did. And guess again: the majority of voters wanted it the way it is now (the setup you disagree with). Go and search in the archives. It's just a few months ago. A perfect example of why democracy sucks. There are always some users who don't care, don't vote, vote wrong or whatnot. Oh, and you are not including all those future users that will subscribe later in the vote. (We could re-vote on a regular basis to workaround this.) Personally, I would have been more fine if the list administrator(s) dictated the new mode. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/08/2006 11:47 AM somebody named Hartmut Meyer wrote: Hi, On Friday 08 December 2006 17:05, ken wrote: Advocates of the nonsensical suse method of list operations have told us and continue to tell us (tossing in insults along the way) that they're smarter than the rest of the world and so to change things to a sensible configuration would be making an admission they can't make. So this list will never change and people will never stop pointing out that it should be changed, users will continue to hear that they need to use some particular mail client in some singular way to read and reply to this particular list and that if they don't, they're stupid and all other lists in the world are stupid too. So we can't harbor any illusions that way this list (mal)functions will change. We're just going to have to live with it Right. Please just live with it. It doesn't really matter what you or I or any other individual is convinced is the right way to do it (and there are arguments for both sides). It also doesn't matter how other list admins run their lists. What matters is what the list admin of this lists feels is the right setup. Nothing else really. That is unless ... ... unless he invites people to vote on this. And guess what: he did. And guess again: the majority of voters wanted it the way it is now (the setup you disagree with). Go and search in the archives. It's just a few months ago. Stop arguing about this please. Greetings from Stuhr hartmut I hope you feel better now... after telling me to do something I already said I was going to do. Thanks for the humor. Secondly, I wasn't arguing... said-- at length-- that, as silly as it is, we'd just have to live with it. That wasn't arguing. And guess what..? I didn't start this thread. (As if your haughty commands matter) am I not allowed to follow up on a post here? Moreover, I was about to let it drop... until you chose to reply to my post. (But I guess you can reply to my post, but I can't reply to someone else's post?!) You must believe you are the sole arbiter of who's allowed to post and/or reply. How Mitty-esque Thanks for the humor. Finally, I didn't mention anything about voting, but as long as you wish to expand the discussion to that, I didn't vote because I didn't hear about it because there's too much noise on this list to read every post or even every subject line (most of which have no relation to the content of the respective email anyway). So add one more vote (mine) for Reply is reply to the list (as if we could vote away non-sense). You have my permission to reply to this. :) -- Peace hath her victories no less renown'd than war. --John Milton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/08/2006 12:00 PM somebody named Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 8 2006 17:47, Hartmut Meyer wrote: ... unless he invites people to vote on this. And guess what: he did. And guess again: the majority of voters wanted it the way it is now (the setup you disagree with). Go and search in the archives. It's just a few months ago. A perfect example of why democracy sucks. There are always some users who don't care, don't vote, vote wrong or whatnot. Oh, and you are not including all those future users that will subscribe later in the vote. (We could re-vote on a regular basis to workaround this.) Personally, I would have been more fine if the list administrator(s) dictated the new mode. -`J' As Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms of government. And Einstein, when told that 2000 Nazi scientists had voted that the theory of relativity was wrong, said 'You cannot vote on what is the truth.' Well, at least we don't have all those nasty vacation mails clogging up our emailboxes! :) -- Peace hath her victories no less renown'd than war. --John Milton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 08 December 2006 08:00, Jan Engelhardt wrote: A perfect example of why democracy sucks. ... (We could re-vote on a regular basis to workaround this.) So even the denouncer of democracy has nothing to suggest but more democracy!? -- _ John Andersen pgpM8ag3aGwDu.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Dec 8 2006 09:33, John Andersen wrote: On Friday 08 December 2006 08:00, Jan Engelhardt wrote: A perfect example of why democracy sucks. ... (We could re-vote on a regular basis to workaround this.) So even the denouncer of democracy has nothing to suggest but more democracy!? If we gonna stay with that mailing list democracy, at least make it more liberal. I can also vote every 4 years or so, as can all the people that have become 18 until then. OTOH, some elders died in that timespan. I say we need re-votes to update the position (as in Real World), _in case we stay with democracy_. That still allows me to prefer a non-democratic approach. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 08/12/06, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8 2006 13:12, ken wrote: And Einstein, when told that 2000 Nazi scientists had voted that the theory of relativity was wrong, said 'You cannot vote on what is the truth.' Haha I knew it! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law I wonder why there is no reference to Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, et al, and their arguably equally, or even, worse behaviour, on the majority of web lists. I also wonder why the site quoted, and apparently all the liberal left, can only cite Hitler and the Nazi party regime as being abhorrent. Perhaps we should be told. (Shields up) Terence -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 08 December 2006 12:05, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 8 2006 13:12, ken wrote: And Einstein, when told that 2000 Nazi scientists had voted that the theory of relativity was wrong, said 'You cannot vote on what is the truth.' Haha I knew it! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law I don't think this qualifies as a trigger of Godwin's law. No participant in the discussion was called a Nazi by another. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2006/12/08 19:50 (GMT+0100) Anders Johansson apparently typed: On Friday 08 December 2006 19:12, ken wrote: As Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms of government. The actual quote is No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time (Hansard, Nov. 11 1947) The main distinction being that something that has yet to be tried may be better. The US Constitution didn't create a democracy. It created a republic. The only real powers its people have lie in the right to sue, and the power to vote for someone else next time, after the current bums have already taxed spent into oblivion. -- Let your conversation be always full of grace. Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/08/2006 03:33 PM somebody named Felix Miata wrote: On 2006/12/08 19:50 (GMT+0100) Anders Johansson apparently typed: On Friday 08 December 2006 19:12, ken wrote: As Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms of government. The actual quote is No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time (Hansard, Nov. 11 1947) The main distinction being that something that has yet to be tried may be better. The US Constitution didn't create a democracy. It created a republic. The only real powers its people have lie in the right to sue, and the power to vote for someone else next time, after the current bums have already taxed spent into oblivion. Apparently you believe Churchill was referring to the US. Where did this belief come from? -- Peace hath her victories no less renown'd than war. --John Milton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Dec 8 2006 12:28, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Friday 08 December 2006 12:05, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 8 2006 13:12, ken wrote: And Einstein, when told that 2000 Nazi scientists had voted that the theory of relativity was wrong, said 'You cannot vote on what is the truth.' Haha I knew it! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law I don't think this qualifies as a trigger of Godwin's law. No participant in the discussion was called a Nazi by another. True dat, but as you can no doubt see, it's always converging towards 1.0 ;-) -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 13:09, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: snip On a few occasions I accidently answered directly instead of the list. I happened, because I use Kmail. When you click on reply you mean to reply to the list, but now and then this will cause the mail to go to the original sender, not the list. The solution is to click'n'hold and then select reply to list. Or simply right-click on the toolbar select 'configure toolbars' and in the left pane scroll down and look for the 'reply to list' icon, click it once and then click the arrow key to move it to the right-pane window and then move it up or down to where you want it on the toolbar, and then it's always there. -- Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented worker', is like calling a home intruder an 'unwanted houseguest'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 17:19, Jan Engelhardt wrote: ... windows sucks linux rocks Now you're catching on! -- Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented worker', is like calling a home intruder an 'unwanted houseguest'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 08 December 2006 11:00, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 8 2006 17:47, Hartmut Meyer wrote: ... unless he invites people to vote on this. And guess what: he did. And guess again: the majority of voters wanted it the way it is now (the setup you disagree with). Go and search in the archives. It's just a few months ago. A perfect example of why democracy sucks. Yeah, give the *minority* what they want or else! sheesh. Go find a little chunk of land somewhere and become a dictator, but don't go telling the rest of us how things *should* be, just because *you* want it that way. -- Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented worker', is like calling a home intruder an 'unwanted houseguest'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Randall R Schulz wrote: On Friday 08 December 2006 12:05, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 8 2006 13:12, ken wrote: And Einstein, when told that 2000 Nazi scientists had voted that the theory of relativity was wrong, said 'You cannot vote on what is the truth.' Haha I knew it! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law I don't think this qualifies as a trigger of Godwin's law. No participant in the discussion was called a Nazi by another. Randall Schulz So, if I understand the wikipedia article, if I call everyone involved with this discussion (except me of course) I lose automaticly and this thread ends? Good! you're all post nazis!!! -- One day at a time, one second if that's what it takes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 08 December 2006 11:57, ken wrote: On 12/08/2006 11:47 AM somebody named Hartmut Meyer wrote: Hi, On Friday 08 December 2006 17:05, ken wrote: Advocates of the nonsensical suse method of list operations have told us and continue to tell us (tossing in insults along the way) that they're smarter than the rest of the world and so to change things to a sensible configuration would be making an admission they can't make. So this list will never change and people will never stop pointing out that it should be changed, users will continue to hear that they need to use some particular mail client in some singular way to read and reply to this particular list and that if they don't, they're stupid and all other lists in the world are stupid too. So we can't harbor any illusions that way this list (mal)functions will change. We're just going to have to live with it Right. Please just live with it. It doesn't really matter what you or I or any other individual is convinced is the right way to do it (and there are arguments for both sides). It also doesn't matter how other list admins run their lists. What matters is what the list admin of this lists feels is the right setup. Nothing else really. That is unless ... ... unless he invites people to vote on this. And guess what: he did. And guess again: the majority of voters wanted it the way it is now (the setup you disagree with). Go and search in the archives. It's just a few months ago. Stop arguing about this please. Greetings from Stuhr hartmut snip BS You have my permission to reply to this. :) Great! Thank you, oh lord and dictator! Here is my reply, oh dreaded one who would have us whipped with cat-o'-nine tails if we do not follow your orders or question what must only be the correct sense to have in anything: PLONK -- Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented worker', is like calling a home intruder an 'unwanted houseguest'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 11:05 -0500, ken wrote: On 12/08/2006 01:57 AM somebody named Clayton wrote: Clayton, Very well put. I've been on mailing lists since before there was linux, and I've set up and managed dozens of mailing lists, and I'm currently a member of about 40 lists, and over these decades on these various lists, *none* of them functioned/functions the way this one does. (Well, about a decade ago one of them sent replies to the OP, this was pointed out to the list management, and it was fixed in a day.) Advocates of the nonsensical suse method of list operations have told us and continue to tell us (tossing in insults along the way) that they're smarter than the rest of the world and so to change things to a sensible configuration would be making an admission they can't make. So this list will never change and people will never stop pointing out that it should be changed, users will continue to hear that they need to use some particular mail client in some singular way to read and reply to this particular list and that if they don't, they're stupid and all other lists in the world are stupid too. Thirty people jumped off of a cliff and killed themselves does this mean it is the right thing to do? Just because thirty other lists don't want to use the proper headers for lists doesn't make them right and this one wrong. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri December 8 2006 5:09 pm, JB skratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: On Friday 08 December 2006 11:00, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 8 2006 17:47, Hartmut Meyer wrote: ... unless he invites people to vote on this. And guess what: he did. And guess again: the majority of voters wanted it the way it is now (the setup you disagree with). Go and search in the archives. It's just a few months ago. A perfect example of why democracy sucks. Yeah, give the *minority* what they want or else! sheesh. Go find a little chunk of land somewhere and become a dictator, but don't go telling the rest of us how things *should* be, just because *you* want it that way. I want it that way is the only arbiter of truth else we live someone else's lives. OTH , why is death a bar to voting? They even re-register to vote from their coffins in Chi as I recall... Humans are so petty... ;-D -- j Let freedom ring! Let the white dove sing. Let the whole world know that today is the day of reckoning. Let the weak be strong , let the might be wrong , throw the stones away, it's Independence Day. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:44, you wrote: its workin fine here. For god's sake, stop sending me direct replies. You have to be subscribed to post, hence its always completely redundant to send a direct copy in a reply. Desist! RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:51:11 -0800 From: Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] NO PERSONAL REPLIES TO POSTINGS ON THIS LIST!! On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:44, you wrote: its workin fine here. For god's sake, stop sending me direct replies. You have to be subscribed to post, hence its always completely redundant to send a direct copy in a reply. Desist! Fix the mailing list. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 07/12/06, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix the mailing list. Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. -- Michael Leuty Nottingham, UK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 07/12/06 17:51, Randall R Schulz wrote: its workin fine here. For god's sake, stop sending me direct replies. You're right, and I'm sorry to have done this stupid mistake, I hate too this bad habit. But why the hell the list manager doesn't set reply-to header to the list? I've been member of many ML in ten years and recently I see that this simple measure is no more taken. Is this to mitigate spamming? - -- Hoper (aka QED) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFeGENH+Dh0Dl5XacRA7WsAJ4j3u8TCV53L+8mOM1CY5hu/AVF/gCffQvM M2OO+yuViRI4NoEj5gtds2U= =tqpz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:40, Michael Leuty wrote: On 07/12/06, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix the mailing list. Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. Fix gmail. X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KMail knows how to handle a list. -- _ John Andersen pgpTkffRaKiK5.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 12/7/06, John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:40, Michael Leuty wrote: On 07/12/06, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix the mailing list. I think there was a discussion on this I do not remember all the arguments but should be in the archives :). I am guilty of doing that too by mistake or when I am in a hurry so sorry if you are offended by it. george Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. Fix gmail. X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KMail knows how to handle a list. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:44, Hoper Edei Deixai wrote: ... But why the hell the list manager doesn't set reply-to header to the list? I've been member of many ML in ten years and recently I see that this simple measure is no more taken. Is this to mitigate spamming? -- Because then people who want to use the Reply-To header, which belongs to message originators, _not_ list reflectors, cannot do so. Hoper (aka QED) RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:59, you wrote: Hi, Randall. Your subject speaks as if you were making the rules. Or maybe this is a rule already on this list? Yes, it is. ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 07/12/06 19:44, John Andersen wrote: Fix the mailing list. Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. Fix gmail. X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KMail knows how to handle a list. Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. -- Hoper (aka QED) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Torsdag den 7. december 2006 20:00 skrev Randall R Schulz: On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:59, you wrote: Hi, Randall. Your subject speaks as if you were making the rules. Or maybe this is a rule already on this list? Yes, it is. ... On a few occasions I accidently answered directly instead of the list. I happened, because I use Kmail. When you click on reply you mean to reply to the list, but now and then this will cause the mail to go to the original sender, not the list. The solution is to click'n'hold and then select reply to list. -- -- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/7/06, Verner Kjærsgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Torsdag den 7. december 2006 20:00 skrev Randall R Schulz: On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:59, you wrote: Hi, Randall. Your subject speaks as if you were making the rules. Or maybe this is a rule already on this list? Yes, it is. ... On a few occasions I accidently answered directly instead of the list. I happened, because I use Kmail. When you click on reply you mean to reply to the list, but now and then this will cause the mail to go to the original sender, not the list. The solution is to click'n'hold and then select reply to list. Just press the l key as in list. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap.
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 11:13, François Pinard wrote: [Randall R Schulz] On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:59, you wrote: Your subject speaks as if you were making the rules. Or maybe this is a rule already on this list? Yes, it is. Would you be kind enough to give me a reference for this statement (originating from the list maintainers or owners)? Of course not, since you persist in flouting my explicit request not to get mail on list topics sent directly to me. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:09, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: Torsdag den 7. december 2006 20:00 skrev Randall R Schulz: On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:59, you wrote: Hi, Randall. Your subject speaks as if you were making the rules. Or maybe this is a rule already on this list? Yes, it is. ... On a few occasions I accidently answered directly instead of the list. I happened, because I use Kmail. When you click on reply you mean to reply to the list, but now and then this will cause the mail to go to the original sender, not the list. The solution is to click'n'hold and then select reply to list. -- -- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- Kmail has a reply to list button that you can drag to the toolbar. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hoper Edei Deixai wrote: On 07/12/06 19:44, John Andersen wrote: Fix the mailing list. Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. Fix gmail. X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KMail knows how to handle a list. Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. -- Hoper (aka QED) Thunderbird extension (for SUSE patched thunderbird) http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg03582.html The link for the .xpi is currently dead, but google should be able to pick it up on keyword: replytolist-0.2.0.xpi /Sylvester smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Hoper Edei Deixai wrote: [...] Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. Please don't start this discussion again. Thunderbird has an extension which provides a list-reply functionality. See the November archive of this list for details (threads named Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm? and Thunderbird reply to list feature). Cheers, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu December 7 2006 2:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] skratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:09, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: Torsdag den 7. december 2006 20:00 skrev Randall R Schulz: On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:59, you wrote: Hi, Randall. Your subject speaks as if you were making the rules. Or maybe this is a rule already on this list? Yes, it is. ... On a few occasions I accidently answered directly instead of the list. I happened, because I use Kmail. When you click on reply you mean to reply to the list, but now and then this will cause the mail to go to the original sender, not the list. The solution is to click'n'hold and then select reply to list. snip Kmail has a reply to list button that you can drag to the toolbar. OR, you could just hit the r button, w/p the marks of course.. works in Kmail w/o fail. -- j Let freedom ring! Let the white dove sing. Let the whole world know that today is the day of reckoning. Let the weak be strong , let the might be wrong , throw the stones away, it's Independence Day. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 07/12/06, John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix gmail. No problem. It might take me a few minutes though, so please be patient. :-) -- Michael Leuty Nottingham, UK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fix the mailing list. Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. Fix gmail. X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KMail knows how to handle a list. Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. And neither PINE: either reply-to-From, reply-to-Reply-To or reply-to-all. Which is why the old one was better. But Bleh. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KMail knows how to handle a list. Is this even portable? LKML sets this one X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 07 December 2006 09:09, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: Torsdag den 7. december 2006 20:00 skrev Randall R Schulz: On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:59, you wrote: Hi, Randall. -- Kmail has a reply to list button that you can drag to the toolbar. How? Jerome -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 19:40, Michael Leuty wrote: On 07/12/06, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix the mailing list. Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. -- Michael Leuty Nottingham, UK Well, pressing 'L' in KMail automatically posts to the list :-). In GMail, you can press Reply-All and manually remove the personal address. S. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Jan Engelhardt wrote: And neither PINE: either reply-to-From, reply-to-Reply-To or reply-to-all. Which is why the old one was better. But Bleh. If you are using procmail this receipe will add a Reply-To: header :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | /usr/bin/formail -bfi Reply-To:opensuse@opensuse.org :0 a: $HOME/Mail/IN-OpenSuse In pine it will give the this option Use Reply-To: address instead of From: address? -- Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia| http://www.lionsq3.asn.au - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 07/12/06, Stelian Iancu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In GMail, you can press Reply-All and manually remove the personal address. Thanks for the tip. -- Michael Leuty Nottingham, UK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 18:31, Jan Engelhardt wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:51:11 -0800 From: Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] NO PERSONAL REPLIES TO POSTINGS ON THIS LIST!! On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:44, you wrote: its workin fine here. For god's sake, stop sending me direct replies. You have to be subscribed to post, hence its always completely redundant to send a direct copy in a reply. Desist! Fix the mailing list. -`J' -- NOWT wrong with the list it's the crappy mail programs at fault and bone idle people that only understand the windBloZe way i spose i could say with consumate ease and safety RFTM in which ever of the 2 variants i know of you choose to pick .. Pete Kmail 1.9.3 with no list mail problems at all and member of around 15 lists .. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Jan Engelhardt wrote: And neither PINE: either reply-to-From, reply-to-Reply-To or reply-to-all. Which is why the old one was better. But Bleh. If you are using procmail this receipe will add a Reply-To: header :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: opensuse | /usr/bin/formail -bfi Reply-To:opensuse@opensuse.org :0 a: $HOME/Mail/IN-OpenSuse In pine it will give the this option Use Reply-To: address instead of From: address? -- Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia| http://www.lionsq3.asn.au - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter Nikolic wrote: On Thursday 07 December 2006 18:31, Jan Engelhardt wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:51:11 -0800 From: Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] NO PERSONAL REPLIES TO POSTINGS ON THIS LIST!! On Thursday 07 December 2006 08:44, you wrote: its workin fine here. For god's sake, stop sending me direct replies. You have to be subscribed to post, hence its always completely redundant to send a direct copy in a reply. Desist! Fix the mailing list. -`J' -- NOWT wrong with the list it's the crappy mail programs at fault and bone idle people that only understand the windBloZe way i spose i could say with consumate ease and safety RFTM in which ever of the 2 variants i know of you choose to pick .. Pete Kmail 1.9.3 with no list mail problems at all and member of around 15 lists .. Surely, some self-discipline needed here? I always try to ensure that, in my Thunderbird compose screen, the Reply-to and to addresses are always the list. It would be great if TB did it for me but once you get into the habit it comes pretty easily I find. BTW, I checked this reply VERY carefully :-) J NB a bad workman blames his tools, does a lazy programmer blame Windoze? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 19:04, Hoper Edei Deixai wrote: On 07/12/06 19:44, John Andersen wrote: Fix the mailing list. Yep. When I click on Reply in GMail, my reply is addressed to the individual, not the list. Fix gmail. X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KMail knows how to handle a list. Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. -- Hoper (aka QED) well wada you expect the windBloZe infection again webmail total dire crap .. Pete Kmail 1.9.3 and no proplems with list mail member of around 15 lists . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. well wada you expect the windBloZe infection again webmail total dire crap .. Pete Kmail 1.9.3 and no proplems with list mail member of around 15 lists . Just cut it already if you are not going to produce something useful (like the procmail recipe - thanks at this point to Rob Unsworth). It's interesting to see _you_ talking about windbloze though you are using kmail -- a click-and-colorful GUI like ... Windows users use. Even unrelated to that, saying things like winbloze reveals the naiveness and FUD that hides behind windows sucks linux rocks statements. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Hertweck wrote: [Private Mail] John, [snip] setting the reply-to header to the list address and thus disabling any list-reply vs. private-reply functionality of good MUAs is a very bad idea. I had to change the address now manually to send you a private message. Thunderbird has an extension which provides a list-reply functionality. See the November archive of this list for details (threads named Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm? and Thunderbird reply to list feature). And yes, it works very well - I have been using it for quite a long time. Cheers, Th. OK, I'll check the Thunderbird add-on but last time I looked it wasn't up to much IIRC. Surely, however, the whole point of having a list is that not only can the original posters benefit from the wisdom of others but that others who have experienced similar problems can also benefit. Sending a private reply cuts them out. Does it not also mess up the list thread in the archives? If so, then your argument seems, on the face of it, to keep knowledge in restricted access rather than open mode. Best regards (and no personal malice intended!) John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gee, thank you, all-caps, extra exclamation points, angry guy for bringing up this thread again and for so vituperatively insisting that 2000+ people here change their email clients and then configure those mail clients just for the way this one, lonely mailing list is set up and which is different than all the other mailing lists in the world. Ha, ha, ha, Ho, ho, ho. -- Peace hath her victories no less renown'd than war. --John Milton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John, answering private emails on a mailing list is considered bad behaviour!! Please don't do it! There was a reason why I sent my previous email only to you and not to the list: this topic has been discussed here many times and it does the list no good to start it all over again. Would be fine if you could respect private emails! John wrote: [...] Surely, however, the whole point of having a list is that not only can the original posters benefit from the wisdom of others but that others who have experienced similar problems can also benefit. Sending a private reply cuts them out. Does it not also mess up the list thread in the archives? It does now because you replied to the list. You should never answer emails that were sent to you as PM on a mailing list. If so, then your argument seems, on the face of it, to keep knowledge in restricted access rather than open mode. No, I think you didn't get the point. A list-reply functionality allows the user to decide whether the email should be public or private. And there are good reasons why some emails should be private. We could get rid of a lot of OT emails on this list! In summary: a) should the list be configured to support all the MUAs that do not have a list-reply functionality? This requires a reply-to pointing back to the list address to simplify usage. It will screw up the situation for anybody who has a MUA with list-reply functionality. b) should the list be configured to support MUAs with list-reply functionality? This means, the mailing list software is not allowed to set a reply-to header. It makes life easier for those who have a MUA with list-reply functionality but makes life a bit more complicated for all others. In addition, you can find some documents with technical arguments for not setting a reply-to header. The listmaster asked the mailing list members some time ago how to configure this list. The majority at that time decided to go with option b). So here we are. I can understand that some people are unhappy with the current situation but this is no reason to start the discussion about this topic again every week. I hope this clarifies the situation. Cheers, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-07-06 18:44]: Gee, thank you, all-caps, extra exclamation points, angry guy for bringing up this thread again and for so vituperatively insisting that 2000+ people here change their email clients and then configure those mail clients just for the way this one, lonely mailing list is set up and which is different than all the other mailing lists in the world. and _you_ only show what _you_ know -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-12-08 at 08:54 +1000, Rob Unsworth wrote: If you are using procmail this receipe will add a Reply-To: header I have been using that one for years: some one told me that here. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFeLJStTMYHG2NR9URAplHAJsG6Xk619aoajSFlqKUpDMJd0tHKACeMkpY 4IOfEBflNvjTIoSKFlw9LfE= =gjDP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jan Engelhardt wrote: Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. well wada you expect the windBloZe infection again webmail total dire crap .. Pete Kmail 1.9.3 and no proplems with list mail member of around 15 lists . Just cut it already if you are not going to produce something useful (like the procmail recipe - thanks at this point to Rob Unsworth). It's interesting to see _you_ talking about windbloze though you are using kmail -- a click-and-colorful GUI like ... Windows users use. But he's running it a unix OS, not windoze... Claiming that anything GUI is somehow like windoze is just plain silly. Even unrelated to that, saying things like winbloze reveals the naiveness and FUD that hides behind windows sucks linux rocks statements. IMHO there's nothing naive about saying that windoze sucks, rather it' a sign of sentient life! 8-0 Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 18:14, Thomas Hertweck wrote: answering private emails on a mailing list is considered bad behaviour!! So is top posting... quit it...ahahahahahahah ehem. Please don't do it! There was a reason why I sent my previous email only to you and not to the list: this topic has been discussed here many times and it does the list no good to start it all over again. Would be fine if you could respect private emails! Here's the rub... see... sometimes its difficult (when answering many many many emails) to always notice which ones are private and which one are list... so... occassionally I will answer a private note on the list because I was deliberately trying to answer to the list and I slipped... and then there are the times when I intended to send to the list and forgot to change the private reply-to and ps I've just made Schultz mad again... aaargh. Anyway, most of the time most people get it right most of the time so the rest of us should spend the rest of the time not whining about the others of us who mostly get it right... I think. ... and QUIT TOP POSTING CAUSE ITS RUDE AND SCREWS UP THE ARCHIVE ! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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O.K. ;-) M Harris wrote: ... and QUIT TOP POSTING CAUSE ITS RUDE AND SCREWS UP THE ARCHIVE ! -- Geir A. Myrestrand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 21:39, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote: AHAHAHAHAHAHAH :--)) O.K. ;-) M Harris wrote: ... and QUIT TOP POSTING CAUSE ITS RUDE AND SCREWS UP THE ARCHIVE ! -- Geir A. Myrestrand -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 10:04, Hoper Edei Deixai wrote: KMail knows how to handle a list. Not Thunderbird nor any webmail client. -- So pop gmail with kmail. Reply via smtp thru gmail. -- _ John Andersen pgpCBC6vxh8U9.pgp Description: PGP signature
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You know... I don't really care one way or the other how the reply-to works on this list... and we've thrashed it to death a dozen times per year... and the more vocal members of this list all yell and shout about how this list is configured correctly yadda yadda... we even had a vote, and the majority spoke. Which is fine with me. I have a serious question though. Are there actually any other mailing lists that are configured the way the opensuse mailing lists are? I'm currently a member of a couple dozen mailing lists, and not one has ever behaved the way this list's reply-to is set. Not one. Not once in roughly 20 years of internet, usenet and BBS use. So.. can anyone point to any other mailing list that has Reply-to set the same as the opensuse lists? I would really like to see it... I'm not asking this list to change - it's been like this for as long as I can remember, and I don't mind it cuz I'm used to having to always correct the To: address field when I reply. I would just like some point of reference... to see other mailing lists that behave the same way as ours does. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2006/12/08 07:57 (GMT+0100) Clayton apparently typed: So.. can anyone point to any other mailing list that has Reply-to set the same as the opensuse lists? I would really like to see it... I subscribe to about 40 lists. Among the 40 are a substantial number of Yahoogroups lists, which all set a reply-to header back to the list. Of the remainder, at most one quarter do not set a reply-to header back to the list. Among those that do set a reply-to header back to the list: Debian, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Fedora, Fontconfig, KDE, MC. Among those that do not: Samba. -- Let your conversation be always full of grace. Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the remainder, at most one quarter do not set a reply-to header back to the list. Among those that do set a reply-to header back to the list: Debian, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Fedora, Fontconfig, KDE, MC. Among those that do not: Samba. OK, interesting. I don't subscribe to Fedora, Mandriva etc, and with my Ubuntu stuff I use the forums. Well, at least the openSUSE list isn't alone in the Reply-to formatting... and that's a good point for all involved who are grousing about how this list is set up. This list isn't the only one, as Felix kindly indicated several others - and not obscure mailing lists either - that use the same Reply-to formatting as we do here. Thanks, I appreciate your info on this :-) (I wonder if there is the same degree of moaning and gnashing of teeth over the Reply-to formatting on these other lists as there is here?) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 07 December 2006 21:57, Clayton wrote: You know... I don't really care one way or the other how the reply-to works on this list... and we've thrashed it to death a dozen times per year... and the more vocal members of this list all yell and shout about how this list is configured correctly yadda yadda... we even had a vote, and the majority spoke. Which is fine with me. I have a serious question though. Are there actually any other mailing lists that are configured the way the opensuse mailing lists are? I'm currently a member of a couple dozen mailing lists, and not one has ever behaved the way this list's reply-to is set. Not one. Not once in roughly 20 years of internet, usenet and BBS use. So.. can anyone point to any other mailing list that has Reply-to set the same as the opensuse lists? I would really like to see it... Well, when I look at message source I'm not seeing any reply-to header on this list. I do see: List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org When I look at the spamassassin list I don't see one there either. I do see List-Post: mailto:users@spamassassin.apache.org Those are the two I have at hand that I can check. -- _ John Andersen pgp2mPag6WaIF.pgp Description: PGP signature
