Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Am Monday 27 November 2006 08:53 schrieb Peter Czanik: Hello, Adrian Schröter wrote: Actually, I do not want to touch the factory directories atm, because we will anyway move them into the build service later. Changing it for that timeframe does only cause problems IMHO. What does it mean for PPC users? No more 'factory', or there will be PPC buildservice soon? Bye, We are currently discussion about that with IBM. IBM said they are interested to sponsor the build service for PPC. If they do, it will be there, if not, it might disappear. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpZYyi1TxcIv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? 100% ACK Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. Yes please, it will definitely help disambiguating. It would also need to be changed in yast/rug/zypper/zmd, but that's somewhat lower priority (and possibly a different topic). FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Perfect. Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree All in all, much better like that. Couldn't agree more. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFabuFr3NMWliFcXcRAif2AJ9X4X8Ejy598Ia++qZohxPVP+D8EwCfYZAE FRapMGo4L5sXPFgzQZJmqBY= =XIu6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 04:56:33PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? [...] Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: I would prefer factory/repo although there might never be a factory/iso, it would keep the naming within a consistent scheme. * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Andreas Regards, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Monday 27 November 2006 02:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! I realise it's a bit late to comment now, but I am curious to know why you have not mentioned the update repositories in this proposal? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jaeger schreef: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Andreas Looks totaly allright for me.. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFac/EX5/X5X6LpDgRAiRrAJ4gX5a8gztGvHyw6bysNqfIB8Y/cgCfX5GT 5Ac02MxfRqxiU7/KrZiFQAY= =e/X6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree I really like it. I only wish we could shorten distribution to dist. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 27 November 2006 02:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! I realise it's a bit late to comment now, but I am curious to know why you have not mentioned the update repositories in this proposal? They're currently on ftp.suse.com and we haven't decided on migrating them over... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp6OYUTKEe23.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. This is the one I like best :) Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: Keep it symmetric and use factory/repo/ instead, as already suggested. Nothing else that I can think of. Thanks Andreas, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Am Sunday 26 November 2006 17:22 schrieb Marcel Hilzinger: On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 04:56:33PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? [...] Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: I would prefer factory/repo although there might never be a factory/iso, it would keep the naming within a consistent scheme. Actually, I do not want to touch the factory directories atm, because we will anyway move them into the build service later. Changing it for that timeframe does only cause problems IMHO. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Hello, Adrian Schröter wrote: Actually, I do not want to touch the factory directories atm, because we will anyway move them into the build service later. Changing it for that timeframe does only cause problems IMHO. What does it mean for PPC users? No more 'factory', or there will be PPC buildservice soon? Bye, -- CzP http://peter.czanik.hu/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for improvement. Goals = My goals with the restructuring are: * Clear naming - no misunderstandings * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again Separate trees == We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata: * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = .../distribution/openSUSE-10.2 has the following subdirectories: * isos * repositories isos directory has the following subdirectories: * dvd - the DVD5 * deltas * non-oss * oss * torrents repositories sdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug * non-oss * oss * source-non-oss - just sources * source-oss - just sources Does this make sense? Do you have better ideas? In general please find short names and don't use plural. F.e. iso, not isos, and repo, not repositories, src, not sources, delta, not deltas, torrent, not torrents. Maybe also one level higher - dist for distribution. And if cd and dvd images shall not reside within the same directory, the names cd and dvd would be better than iso and dvd. This is good thinking, i think... :) Cheers -e -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFaG7LX5/X5X6LpDgRAit1AJoDWlpEUNvOtb8AD2XvDYWcBEAoVgCg2tX/ x0lpqKLMwL1x8UGlV9hfOTE= =Xeiv -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hugo Costelha schreef: On Friday 24 November 2006 14:53, Adrian Schröter wrote: Am Friday 24 November 2006 15:03 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for improvement. Goals = My goals with the restructuring are: * Clear naming - no misunderstandings * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again Separate trees == We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata: * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = .../distribution/openSUSE-10.2 has the following subdirectories: * isos * repositories isos directory has the following subdirectories: * dvd - the DVD5 * deltas * non-oss * oss * torrents repositories sdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug * non-oss * oss * source-non-oss - just sources * source-oss - just sources Does this make sense? Do you have better ideas? In general please find short names and don't use plural. F.e. iso, not isos, and repo, not repositories, src, not sources, delta, not deltas, torrent, not torrents. The reason why we took repositories was to reuse existing names on the ftp server (pub/opensuse/repositories) and to make it clear that you can not use this directory directly. You have to go inside and pick one. Maybe also one level higher - dist for distribution. I would like to avoid a change here, it would cause too much pain for the mirrors. (and I personally think longer names are better than short ones for most users, who are not famillar with the structure). And if cd and dvd images shall not reside within the same directory, the names cd and dvd would be better than iso and dvd. good point It seems wuite intuitive to me. I also prefer longer names, if they are easier to remember and much easier to get some sense out of them, which I think is the case here. Mirror problems we do NOT need, but btw, is something everybody knows, why than say: by the way? M9. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFaHCUX5/X5X6LpDgRArzTAKDjAbuxT/UwLo+Ag9dSf8dx8gdrwQCfXuoB +XcaVM2EpjXsp9PoK3Rq2nE= =3rDl -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Am Freitag, 24. November 2006 14:47 schrieb Andreas Jaeger: I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for improvement. Goals = My goals with the restructuring are: * Clear naming - no misunderstandings * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again What about this to keep it simple and stupid: ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/oss ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/non-oss ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/debug ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/src-oss ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/src-non-oss ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/ ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/cd ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/dvd ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/deltas ../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/torrent ../opensuse/distribution/factory/oss ../opensuse/distribution/factory/non-oss ../opensuse/distribution/factory/debug ../opensuse/distribution/factory/src-oss ../opensuse/distribution/factory/src-non-oss ../opensuse/distribution/fatcory/iso/ ../opensuse/distribution/stable/ -- link to 10.2 or whatever I see no need for an additional repositories entry. I also would not split non-oss and oss for CDs/DVDs, as the amount of 10-20 iso files fits in a normal browser window. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Hilzinger Linux New Media AG Süskindstr. 4 D-81929 München Tel: +49 (89) 99 34 11 0 Fax: +49 (89) 99 34 11 99 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Schröter schreef: Am Friday 24 November 2006 16:42 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger: Reply on 24-11-2006 17:40:53 On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a distribution and repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure. I also thing repositories is not needed at all. I think the distinguishion between dist end repositories as it is in the moment is quiet important.AFAIR, in repositories, you find the mirror of repos.opensuse.org, including the community packages. Counting them at this moment inside the dist is quiet dangerous. Not all of these packages (for not to say none) go through a rough QC. distribution on the other hand is the 'official' cd/dvd/ftp installation tree. but shorter names would be great. Less to type is always good! you need to keep in mind that only a few users type these names at all. Sure, on this list the number of people who type is higher ;) But the main goal is to lead the people to the right directory (and they are using a mouse for doing that). Might be so, but the shorter it 'can' be the better. This goes also for the mirrors. If it was up to me, the structure would be the same, at all the mirrors. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFaJFdX5/X5X6LpDgRAplQAKC2zyWM5V5Aekvbh1eM+dAKg+l3bgCdH3YE 0/0962Ltznd2XXdDO6KIo9E= =M4DE -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for improvement. Goals = My goals with the restructuring are: * Clear naming - no misunderstandings * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again Separate trees == We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata: * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = .../distribution/openSUSE-10.2 has the following subdirectories: * isos * repositories isos directory has the following subdirectories: * dvd - the DVD5 * deltas * non-oss * oss * torrents repositories sdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug * non-oss * oss * source-non-oss - just sources * source-oss - just sources Does this make sense? Do you have better ideas? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpDzYJgaiEuE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for improvement. Goals = My goals with the restructuring are: * Clear naming - no misunderstandings * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again Separate trees == We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata: * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = .../distribution/openSUSE-10.2 has the following subdirectories: * isos * repositories isos directory has the following subdirectories: * dvd - the DVD5 * deltas * non-oss * oss * torrents repositories sdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug * non-oss * oss * source-non-oss - just sources * source-oss - just sources Does this make sense? Do you have better ideas? In general please find short names and don't use plural. F.e. iso, not isos, and repo, not repositories, src, not sources, delta, not deltas, torrent, not torrents. Maybe also one level higher - dist for distribution. And if cd and dvd images shall not reside within the same directory, the names cd and dvd would be better than iso and dvd. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Am Friday 24 November 2006 15:03 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for improvement. Goals = My goals with the restructuring are: * Clear naming - no misunderstandings * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again Separate trees == We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata: * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = .../distribution/openSUSE-10.2 has the following subdirectories: * isos * repositories isos directory has the following subdirectories: * dvd - the DVD5 * deltas * non-oss * oss * torrents repositories sdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug * non-oss * oss * source-non-oss - just sources * source-oss - just sources Does this make sense? Do you have better ideas? In general please find short names and don't use plural. F.e. iso, not isos, and repo, not repositories, src, not sources, delta, not deltas, torrent, not torrents. The reason why we took repositories was to reuse existing names on the ftp server (pub/opensuse/repositories) and to make it clear that you can not use this directory directly. You have to go inside and pick one. Maybe also one level higher - dist for distribution. I would like to avoid a change here, it would cause too much pain for the mirrors. (and I personally think longer names are better than short ones for most users, who are not famillar with the structure). And if cd and dvd images shall not reside within the same directory, the names cd and dvd would be better than iso and dvd. good point bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Friday 24 November 2006 14:53, Adrian Schröter wrote: Am Friday 24 November 2006 15:03 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for improvement. Goals = My goals with the restructuring are: * Clear naming - no misunderstandings * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again Separate trees == We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata: * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = .../distribution/openSUSE-10.2 has the following subdirectories: * isos * repositories isos directory has the following subdirectories: * dvd - the DVD5 * deltas * non-oss * oss * torrents repositories sdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug * non-oss * oss * source-non-oss - just sources * source-oss - just sources Does this make sense? Do you have better ideas? In general please find short names and don't use plural. F.e. iso, not isos, and repo, not repositories, src, not sources, delta, not deltas, torrent, not torrents. The reason why we took repositories was to reuse existing names on the ftp server (pub/opensuse/repositories) and to make it clear that you can not use this directory directly. You have to go inside and pick one. Maybe also one level higher - dist for distribution. I would like to avoid a change here, it would cause too much pain for the mirrors. (and I personally think longer names are better than short ones for most users, who are not famillar with the structure). And if cd and dvd images shall not reside within the same directory, the names cd and dvd would be better than iso and dvd. good point It seems wuite intuitive to me. I also prefer longer names, if they are easier to remember and much easier to get some sense out of them, which I think is the case here. Hugo Costelha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Hugo Costelha wrote: It seems wuite intuitive to me. I also prefer longer names, if they are easier to remember and much easier to get some sense out of them, which I think is the case here. It does not take longer time to get a sense for a shorter word. But directory listings have a chance to be readable and submitting URLs has a chance not to get broken if the path names are short. the length of /pub/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-10.2/repositories/source-non-oss/ already is really crazy and a pain for everyone who needs to spell or type it - a full line already, and still missing protocol prefix, hostname, arch suffix and filename. /pub/suse/i386/9.3/ was a good path naming and length. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: It does not take longer time to get a sense for a shorter word. But directory listings have a chance to be readable and submitting URLs has a chance not to get broken if the path names are short. the length of /pub/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-10.2/repositories/source-non-oss/ already is really crazy and a pain for everyone who needs to spell or type it - a full line already, and still missing protocol prefix, hostname, arch suffix and filename. /pub/suse/i386/9.3/ was a good path naming and length. I prefer shorter names as well. I always seem to have problems typing in the longer names and with my Dislexia, I do not always notice the type-o's I really like the names for the 9.X series. I would really like to see the names shortend. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Hugo Costelha wrote: It seems wuite intuitive to me. I also prefer longer names, if they are easier to remember and much easier to get some sense out of them, which I think is the case here. It does not take longer time to get a sense for a shorter word. But directory listings have a chance to be readable and submitting URLs has a chance not to get broken if the path names are short. the length of /pub/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-10.2/repositories/source-non-oss/ already is really crazy and a pain for everyone who needs to spell or type it - a full line already, and still missing protocol prefix, hostname, arch suffix and filename. /pub/suse/i386/9.3/ was a good path naming and length. +1 /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a distribution and repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure. I also thing repositories is not needed at all. -- Andreas Vetter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: Reply on 24-11-2006 17:40:53 On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a distribution and repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure. I also thing repositories is not needed at all. I think the distinguishion between dist end repositories as it is in the moment is quiet important.AFAIR, in repositories, you find the mirror of repos.opensuse.org, including the community packages. Counting them at this moment inside the dist is quiet dangerous. Not all of these packages (for not to say none) go through a rough QC. distribution on the other hand is the 'official' cd/dvd/ftp installation tree. one could leave repositories (i vote for repos) as it is on the same directory level as 10.1 and leave out the level distribution -- Andreas Vetter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Friday 24 November 2006 15:15, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: Hi, On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Hugo Costelha wrote: It seems wuite intuitive to me. I also prefer longer names, if they are easier to remember and much easier to get some sense out of them, which I think is the case here. It does not take longer time to get a sense for a shorter word. But directory listings have a chance to be readable and submitting URLs has a chance not to get broken if the path names are short. I am talking of my experience, and for me it takes. But maybe it is just for me. the length of /pub/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-10.2/repositories/source-non-oss/ already is really crazy and a pain for everyone who needs to spell or type it - a full line already, and still missing protocol prefix, hostname, arch suffix and filename. /pub/suse/i386/9.3/ was a good path naming and length. Well, one thing with be to remove openSUSE, ant it would be http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repositories/oss Looks small enough to me! Hugo Costelha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Am Friday 24 November 2006 16:42 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger: Reply on 24-11-2006 17:40:53 On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a distribution and repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure. I also thing repositories is not needed at all. I think the distinguishion between dist end repositories as it is in the moment is quiet important.AFAIR, in repositories, you find the mirror of repos.opensuse.org, including the community packages. Counting them at this moment inside the dist is quiet dangerous. Not all of these packages (for not to say none) go through a rough QC. distribution on the other hand is the 'official' cd/dvd/ftp installation tree. but shorter names would be great. Less to type is always good! you need to keep in mind that only a few users type these names at all. Sure, on this list the number of people who type is higher ;) But the main goal is to lead the people to the right directory (and they are using a mouse for doing that). -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Reply on 24-11-2006 18:00:45 Am Friday 24 November 2006 16:42 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger: Reply on 24-11-2006 17:40:53 On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a distribution and repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure. I also thing repositories is not needed at all. I think the distinguishion between dist end repositories as it is in the moment is quiet important.AFAIR, in repositories, you find the mirror of repos.opensuse.org, including the community packages. Counting them at this moment inside the dist is quiet dangerous. Not all of these packages (for not to say none) go through a rough QC. distribution on the other hand is the 'official' cd/dvd/ftp installation tree. but shorter names would be great. Less to type is always good! you need to keep in mind that only a few users type these names at all. Sure, on this list the number of people who type is higher ;) But the main goal is to lead the people to the right directory (and they are using a mouse for doing that). Hmm.. Good point Adrian. I should get used to that thing close to my keyboard... how did you call it? Mouse? :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 04:58:45PM +0100, Adrian Schroeter wrote: you need to keep in mind that only a few users type these names at all. I think this depends on whether you talk about iso images or repositories. Your statement is most likely correct for the images but the repositories are often used for network installations and there it is extremely ugly to type long pathes, especially if they also contain uppercase letters. Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. pgpqnPI3f6PlE.pgp Description: PGP signature
