Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Hi,

we are running 9.2 on HP-UX here.

We have pg_aggregate_target configured, but I realized (in my opinion) very
high memory consumption of Oracle Unix processes.

a) How come that one Oracle Connection (i.e. dedicated Unix process on HP)
is using up at least 22 MB of RAM? It is using 22 MB if the user is just
connected, not doing anything. 

Any way I can modify this?

b) If the user is querying data and the like, the memory consumption goes up
to 60 MB. How come?

Thanks!

Regards,
Helmut

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Savepoints in 9i

2003-11-17 Thread Ramasubramanian, Shankar (Cognizant)
Title: Savepoints in 9i






Hi Friends ,

    In my application , we are having a program written in C which executes the sql command that is passed as an argument to it. When I call the procedure to 

Create a savepoint "SP1" and then to rollback to the named savepoint , it throws an oracle error "1086- Savepoint "SP1" never established. The same piece of code worked with Oracle 8i . Is there any differences in Oracle 9i related to savepoints. Please note that I am using a single database and no autonomous transactions.

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Re: Trace versus Statspack data

2003-11-17 Thread Rhojel_Echano

Hi.

Execute in sqltrace is for that particular session only whereas in statspack, it's system wide.
A lot of sessions might have executed the same query.

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We are doing Interest processing on a SET of 10,000 Bank A/cs 
 
Following SQL Query Shows DIFFERING values for :-
"Execute" from SQL_TRACE = 2584
"Executions" from Statspack report = 10,000
 
Qs. What is the reason for this?
 
SQL_TRACE :-
 
call     count       cpu    elapsed       disk      query    current        rows
--- --   -- -- -- --  --
Parse        1      0.00       0.00          0          0          0           0
Execute   2584      0.55       0.55          0      10475       2783           0
Fetch     2584      0.50       0.51          0          0          0        2584
--- --   -- -- -- --  --
total     5169      1.05       1.06          0      10475       2783        2584
 
 
Statspack :-
                                                     CPU      Elapsd
  Buffer Gets    Executions  Gets per Exec  %Total Time (s)  Time (s) Hash Value
---  -- --  - --
         51,271       10,000            5.1   23.0     4.31      3.95 1862033429
Module: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TNS V1-V3)
select TO_CHAR(accrued_upto_date_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO
_CHAR(accrued_upto_date_dr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(las
t_accrual_run_date_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(last_acc
rual_run_date_dr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(booked_upto_d
ate_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(booked_upto_date_dr,'DD
 
 
Thanks
 



RE: granting SELECT privilege on SYS.X$ TABLES

2003-11-17 Thread Mark Leith
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Someone must have created sys.x_$ views on some of the sys.x$ tables. 
Installing statspack does that for example for X$KCBFWAIT, X$KSPPSV, 
X$KSPPI, and X$KSQST. Do you have quest? I believe it does it for some of 
the x$ tables as well. I routinely do it for all x$ tables in my test 
databases and grant select to the select_catalog_role. Then I can access 
the x$tables without having to log on as sys.

In my test databases I always
At 07:14 PM 11/14/2003, you wrote:
>P.S. I forgot to mention that in all the databases (including the 8.1.7 
>databases) in which I tried this, init parameter 
>O7_DICTIONARY_ACCESSIBILITY was set to FALSE.
>
>I always thought that one could not grant SELECT privilege on the SYS.X$ 
>tables, and to make them accessible to another user one would have to 
>create a view on the table (as mentioned on Steve Adams' ixora website:
>http://www.ixora.com.au/scripts/prereq.htm
>create_xviews.sql)
>
>However someone told me recently that you could grant SELECT on sys.X_$...
>
>When I tried this, I saw results that confused me.
>In Database A, Oracle 8.1.7.4.1, Windows 2000 server, I was able to
>1- grant select on SYS.X_$KTFBFE to another_user ;
>2- grant select on SYS.X_$KTFBHC to another_user ;
>3- grant select on SYS.X_$KTFBUE to another_user ;
>
>BUT
>
>4- grant select on SYS.X_$KDXST to another_user ;
>returns ORA-00942 table or view does not exist.
>
>In database B, using the same ORACLE_HOME as database A (i.e. identical 
>Oracle version and OS)
>even the first three grant statements returned ORA-00942
>
>When I tried it on more recent Oracle databases on Windows / SunOS 
>servers, it worked intermittently:
>Oracle 9.0 (SunOS): all GRANTS failed
>Oracle 9.2 (SunOS): GRANTS 1-3 were successful, GRANT 4 failed
>Oracle 10.1 beta (Windows 2000): all GRANTS failed
>
>Does anyone know the reason for this strange behaviour?
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Trace versus Statspack data

2003-11-17 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA








 

We are doing Interest processing on a SET of 10,000
Bank A/cs 

 

Following SQL Query Shows DIFFERING values for :-

“Execute” from SQL_TRACE = 2584

“Executions” from Statspack report =
10,000

 

Qs. What is the reason for this?

 

SQL_TRACE :-

 

call count   cpu    elapsed   disk 
query    current    rows

--- --   -- --
-- --  --

Parse    1  0.00   0.00 
0  0  0   0

Execute   2584  0.55   0.55  0 
10475   2783   0

Fetch 2584  0.50   0.51 
0  0  0    2584

--- --   -- --
-- --  --

total 5169  1.05   1.06  0 
10475   2783    2584

 

 

Statspack :-


CPU  Elapsd

  Buffer Gets    Executions  Gets per Exec  %Total
Time (s)  Time (s) Hash Value

---  -- --
 - --

 51,271   10,000    5.1  
23.0 4.31  3.95 1862033429

Module: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TNS V1-V3)

select TO_CHAR(accrued_upto_date_cr,'DD-MM-
HH24:MI:SS') ,TO

_CHAR(accrued_upto_date_dr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS')
,TO_CHAR(las

t_accrual_run_date_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS')
,TO_CHAR(last_acc

rual_run_date_dr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(booked_upto_d

ate_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(booked_upto_date_dr,'DD

 

 

Thanks

 

 








RE: Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread Stephane Faroult
Helmut,

   I don't know how you are measuring your numbers, but beware that what the operating 
system reports is often somewhat misleading. Typically, shared memory is often 
'attributed' to each and every process linked to it. When you think about it it makes 
sense, but at the same time it does mean that n processes will really use much less 
than n * the amount of memory reported as used by one process. This is true both of 
the 'program' part of user memory (shared libraries) and of the 'data' part of it 
(SGA). When your process connects, it attaches the SGA and some shared libraries, and 
more shared libraries come into play as it starts doing something.
You may have a better view of what is really used by your process by checking into 
V$SESSTAT, which holds a number of values about it.

HTH,

SF

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>Hi,
>
>we are running 9.2 on HP-UX here.
>
>We have pg_aggregate_target configured, but I
>realized (in my opinion) very
>high memory consumption of Oracle Unix processes.
>
>a) How come that one Oracle Connection (i.e.
>dedicated Unix process on HP)
>is using up at least 22 MB of RAM? It is using 22
>MB if the user is just
>connected, not doing anything. 
>
>Any way I can modify this?
>
>b) If the user is querying data and the like, the
>memory consumption goes up
>to 60 MB. How come?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Regards,
>Helmut
>
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Re: wakeup time manager

2003-11-17 Thread Bill Buchan
Hi Arup,

Yes, AQ is enabled for this database - thanks for the information.

- Bill.

At 07:59 13/11/2003 -0800, Arup Nanda wrote:
Have you enabled Advanced Queue Manager process in the init file?
aq_tm_processes? If so, this wait event occurs when the process just waits
to see some messages in the queue. Yes, it is an idle event and can be
ignored. Fortunately this is listed as idle event in STATSPACK, which does
not report these waits.
HTH.

Arup
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> Hi,
>
> I cannot find reference to the "wakeup time manager" wait event in the
> FM.  Can anyone explain it to me?  Getting lots of waits for this in a
> 9.2.0.4 database - but given that both processors and disks are pretty
idle
> at the moment I guess it falls under the category of "idle
> events".  Therefore I'm not going to worry about it too much - but would
be
> nice to know what it is.
>
> Thanks for any info
> - Bill.
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Re: wakeup time manager

2003-11-17 Thread Bill Buchan
Hi Arup,

Yes, AQ is enabled for this database - thanks for the information.

- Bill.

At 07:59 13/11/2003 -0800, Arup Nanda wrote:
Have you enabled Advanced Queue Manager process in the init file?
aq_tm_processes? If so, this wait event occurs when the process just waits
to see some messages in the queue. Yes, it is an idle event and can be
ignored. Fortunately this is listed as idle event in STATSPACK, which does
not report these waits.
HTH.

Arup
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> Hi,
>
> I cannot find reference to the "wakeup time manager" wait event in the
> FM.  Can anyone explain it to me?  Getting lots of waits for this in a
> 9.2.0.4 database - but given that both processors and disks are pretty
idle
> at the moment I guess it falls under the category of "idle
> events".  Therefore I'm not going to worry about it too much - but would
be
> nice to know what it is.
>
> Thanks for any info
> - Bill.
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Re: DB Code compilation and library cache lock issue

2003-11-17 Thread zhu chao
DB Code compilation and library cache lock issueHi,
To detect whether you are waiting for a compile to finish, you can just check 
v$session_wait and see if your current session is waiting for "library cache pin" wait 
event. Without such wait event ,compiling a procedure can just be finished in seconds.
But I do not know whether there is any parameter to change this timeout.

zhuchao

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Hi all, 
As we know if procedure A is currently being executed, one cannot re-compile procedure 
A. And when one tries to do so, the compilation appears to be _hanging_. Though it 
time-outs after some time. 
My question is , is there a way to detect this when I am compiling a procedure? Can 
this timeout be changed? If so, how?
DB is 9202. 
Thanks in advance 
Raj 
 
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Trace versus Statspack data

2003-11-17 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA

We are doing Interest processing on a SET of 10,000 Bank A/cs 
 
Following SQL Query Shows DIFFERING values for :-
"Execute" from SQL_TRACE = 2584
"Executions" from Statspack report = 10,000
 
Qs. What is the reason for this?
 
SQL_TRACE :-
 
call count   cpuelapsed   disk  querycurrent
rows
--- --   -- -- -- --
--
Parse1  0.00   0.00  0  0  0
0
Execute   2584  0.55   0.55  0  10475   2783
0
Fetch 2584  0.50   0.51  0  0  0
2584
--- --   -- -- -- --
--
total 5169  1.05   1.06  0  10475   2783
2584
 
 
Statspack :-
 CPU  Elapsd
  Buffer GetsExecutions  Gets per Exec  %Total Time (s)  Time (s)
Hash Value
---  -- --  -
--
 51,271   10,0005.1   23.0 4.31  3.95
1862033429
Module: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TNS V1-V3)
select TO_CHAR(accrued_upto_date_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO
_CHAR(accrued_upto_date_dr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(las
t_accrual_run_date_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(last_acc
rual_run_date_dr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(booked_upto_d
ate_cr,'DD-MM- HH24:MI:SS') ,TO_CHAR(booked_upto_date_dr,'DD
 
 
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Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Carel-Jan Engel
Hi List,

One of my customers gets HP Servicedesk 4.5 implemented. The database that
has been created by on of the DBA's for the application is Oracle 8.1.7.4,
on AIX 4.3.

The database has characterset UTF8, which is the standard here.

Now ServiceDesk has bad performance. HP claims that the characterset is
wrong, and a new database has to be created with character set
WE8ISO8859P15.

I've never heard of bad performance due to differences in character sets,
probably because of my lack of experience. Anyone familiar with this
issue?

TIA, Carel-Jan


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Re: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Carel-Jan Engel
Mladen, we must have started in the same era. You're describing the
environment I started with, however, our disk was 10MB. So you remember
SQL*Forms 1.3 (IAC/IAG/IAP) and HLI as well?

> Carel, I know that. That was my first oracle version. I installed V4 on an
> IBM
> PC/XT with WD 20MB hard drive and two 5.25 floppy drives which could
> each hold 360k of information. Yes, you read it correctly. It was 20 MB
> hard drive, not 20 GB. OS was the unforgettable DOS 3.0 and the graphic
> card was called "Hercules". I don't know why was it called "graphic card"
> because it didn't have any graphic. The first real graphic was CGA and
> then
> EGA, VGA, XGA on PS/2 (IBM PS/2, not Playstation 2)  and SVGA.
>
> On 2003.11.16 21:04, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
>> Hi Mladen,
>>
>> At 06:19 12-11-03 -0800, you wrote:
>>> SQL*Plus has a ghastly and disgusting user interface,
>>> implemented without "readline" or equivalent, which would give a
>>> command
>>> history.
>>> Littering the system with those @#$%! afiedt.buf files is bad enough
>>> but
>>> line
>>> editting commands are an indicator of how much oracle cares for the
>>> user
>>> interface.
>> 
>>> and sqlplus is definitely not something that I'd like presenting to my
>>> users.
>>
>>
>> Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
>> earlier,
>> but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
>>
>> They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
>>
>> Regards, Carel-Jan
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RE: Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Hi Stephane, 

thanks for your reply.

We are measuring the values by getting the OS process ID of a specific
Oracle connection and then trach that process ID using glance (on HP-UX).

Since the SGA is ab 1.5 GB, it is definitely not attached to the memory
consumed by each process. I know that this is an issue on Solaris.

We tried and used a whole bunch of different processes and they were all
using 20-25 MB of RAM (doing nothing). This number seems just a little bit
high to me...

Example: If I have an SGA with 1 GB, 200 MB of pga-aggregate-target and 200
users connecting to the datbase (although only about 10% of them are active
at the same point in time).
This would mean that my memory consumption is: 1 GB + 200 MB + 200*25 MB =
6.2 GB...


Regards,
Helmut


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Helmut,

   I don't know how you are measuring your numbers, but beware that what the
operating system reports is often somewhat misleading. Typically, shared
memory is often 'attributed' to each and every process linked to it. When
you think about it it makes sense, but at the same time it does mean that n
processes will really use much less than n * the amount of memory reported
as used by one process. This is true both of the 'program' part of user
memory (shared libraries) and of the 'data' part of it (SGA). When your
process connects, it attaches the SGA and some shared libraries, and more
shared libraries come into play as it starts doing something. You may have a
better view of what is really used by your process by checking into
V$SESSTAT, which holds a number of values about it.

HTH,

SF

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>From: "Daiminger, Helmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:09:26
>
>Hi,
>
>we are running 9.2 on HP-UX here.
>
>We have pg_aggregate_target configured, but I
>realized (in my opinion) very
>high memory consumption of Oracle Unix processes.
>
>a) How come that one Oracle Connection (i.e.
>dedicated Unix process on HP)
>is using up at least 22 MB of RAM? It is using 22
>MB if the user is just
>connected, not doing anything.
>
>Any way I can modify this?
>
>b) If the user is querying data and the like, the
>memory consumption goes up
>to 60 MB. How come?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Regards,
>Helmut
>
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Archive Destinations: quota_size

2003-11-17 Thread Bill Buchan


Hi all,

Is anyone using the QUOTA_SIZE setting in the LOG_ARCHIVE_DEST_n 
parameters?  I am trying to use this for a local archive destination in a 
non-Dataguard configuration.  However if the destination fills up, although 
the error is correctly identified and reported (alert log and 
V$ARCHIVE_DEST) and archiving stops, the error never goes away when I clear 
out the destination.  REOPEN is specified (default = 300 seconds).

I can manually clear the error force the archiver to restart by doing an 
ALTER SYSTEM SET LOG_ARCHIVE_DEST_n = '' but I 
was assuming this error would automatically clear after REOPEN seconds when 
I empty the destination.

Is this broken or am I missing something?  (9.2.0.4 on Linux)

Many thanks
- Bill.


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Re: modeling year and month for summary data

2003-11-17 Thread Ron Rogers
Randy,
 We have both weekly and monthly summary tables and the date data field
is defined as DATE. It is populated by the pl/sql package that
summarizes the data using a date value passed to the package as the
ending date for the week or month. On the first of the month or Sunday
we run the appropriate package and pass the date value (sysdate -1) for
the package to use as the ending date.
Ron

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/14/2003 5:14:25 PM >>>
I have a table that will contain sales monthly summary. I am not sure
which
is the better way to handle the date of the data.  I can create a year
field
and a month field  or I can create a date field and force in the day
e.g.
2003 November's data can be 01-Nov-03 .

Is there a censuses on which way to handle the date?

Thanks
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how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

2003-11-17 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Hi!

We are currently discussing Oracle licensing issues. Due to the number of
users, named user licensing is not an option for us.

Our HP-boxes are having 10 processors each. Since the CPU's are 90% idle, we
are thinking about limiting Oracle to only using 4 out of the 10 CPUs. Is
this possible (i.e. via the parameter cpu_count)?
The other 6 CPU's will then be used by other applications ion the box (e.g.
BEA WebLogic etc.).

This is 9.2 on HP-UX 11.11.

Thanks,
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RE: RE: Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread Stephane Faroult
Helmut,

  Seems a bit high to me as well. Concerning the PGA issue, what about running 
something like :

col name format A25
select n.name,
   round(min(s.value) / 1024) "MIN K",
   round(avg(s.value) / 1024) "AVG K",
   round(max(s.value) / 1024) "MAX K"
from v$statname n,
 v$sesstat s
where n.name like 'session pga memory%'
  and n.statistic# = s.statistic#
group by n.name
/

IMHO, the Oracle "insider view" will probably give you something more realistic. 
Now, concerning what HP-UX reports to you, I would certainly suspect the run-time 
linker. I guess that there are better specialists of HP-UX than myself (anybody 
qualifies :-)) on this list who know how to tell which dynamically loaded libraries 
are used by a currently running program ?

HTH,

SF

>- --- Original Message --- -
>From: "Daiminger, Helmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:59:26
>
>Hi Stephane, 
>
>thanks for your reply.
>
>We are measuring the values by getting the OS
>process ID of a specific
>Oracle connection and then trach that process ID
>using glance (on HP-UX).
>
>Since the SGA is ab 1.5 GB, it is definitely not
>attached to the memory
>consumed by each process. I know that this is an
>issue on Solaris.
>
>We tried and used a whole bunch of different
>processes and they were all
>using 20-25 MB of RAM (doing nothing). This number
>seems just a little bit
>high to me...
>
>Example: If I have an SGA with 1 GB, 200 MB of
>pga-aggregate-target and 200
>users connecting to the datbase (although only
>about 10% of them are active
>at the same point in time).
>This would mean that my memory consumption is: 1 GB
>+ 200 MB + 200*25 MB =
>6.2 GB...
>
>
>Regards,
>Helmut
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:30 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Helmut,
>
>   I don't know how you are measuring your numbers,
>but beware that what the
>operating system reports is often somewhat
>misleading. Typically, shared
>memory is often 'attributed' to each and every
>process linked to it. When
>you think about it it makes sense, but at the same
>time it does mean that n
>processes will really use much less than n * the
>amount of memory reported
>as used by one process. This is true both of the
>'program' part of user
>memory (shared libraries) and of the 'data' part of
>it (SGA). When your
>process connects, it attaches the SGA and some
>shared libraries, and more
>shared libraries come into play as it starts doing
>something. You may have a
>better view of what is really used by your process
>by checking into
>V$SESSTAT, which holds a number of values about it.
>
>
>HTH,
>
>SF
>
>>- --- Original Message --- -
>>From: "Daiminger, Helmut"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:09:26
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>we are running 9.2 on HP-UX here.
>>
>>We have pg_aggregate_target configured, but I
>>realized (in my opinion) very
>>high memory consumption of Oracle Unix processes.
>>
>>a) How come that one Oracle Connection (i.e.
>>dedicated Unix process on HP)
>>is using up at least 22 MB of RAM? It is using 22
>>MB if the user is just
>>connected, not doing anything.
>>
>>Any way I can modify this?
>>
>>b) If the user is querying data and the like, the
>>memory consumption goes up
>>to 60 MB. How come?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Regards,
>>Helmut
>>
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software deployment control

2003-11-17 Thread Ron Rogers
List,
 I have been asked to produce a process for documenting the
request,test,deployment, etc of the server OS, client OS, and databases
that we use. I have googled for 'software deployment control' and
'software change management' without much success. We are looking for a
written procedure not a purchased software package.  Does anyone have a
source location for documentation so I can start on my project.

Thanks,
Ron

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Re: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Mladen Gogala
I do. I thought that IAD (graphic interface which came with 2.0
in version 5) was a solution to all problems. Version 4 was used
for training purposes only. First real apps were developed with 
5.0 and 5.1.22.

On 11/17/2003 06:14:24 AM, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> Mladen, we must have started in the same era. You're describing the
> environment I started with, however, our disk was 10MB. So you remember
> SQL*Forms 1.3 (IAC/IAG/IAP) and HLI as well?
> 
> > Carel, I know that. That was my first oracle version. I installed V4 on an
> > IBM
> > PC/XT with WD 20MB hard drive and two 5.25 floppy drives which could
> > each hold 360k of information. Yes, you read it correctly. It was 20 MB
> > hard drive, not 20 GB. OS was the unforgettable DOS 3.0 and the graphic
> > card was called "Hercules". I don't know why was it called "graphic card"
> > because it didn't have any graphic. The first real graphic was CGA and
> > then
> > EGA, VGA, XGA on PS/2 (IBM PS/2, not Playstation 2)  and SVGA.
> >
> > On 2003.11.16 21:04, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> >> Hi Mladen,
> >>
> >> At 06:19 12-11-03 -0800, you wrote:
> >>> SQL*Plus has a ghastly and disgusting user interface,
> >>> implemented without "readline" or equivalent, which would give a
> >>> command
> >>> history.
> >>> Littering the system with those @#$%! afiedt.buf files is bad enough
> >>> but
> >>> line
> >>> editting commands are an indicator of how much oracle cares for the
> >>> user
> >>> interface.
> >> 
> >>> and sqlplus is definitely not something that I'd like presenting to my
> >>> users.
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
> >> earlier,
> >> but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
> >>
> >> They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
> >>
> >> Regards, Carel-Jan
> >>
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Re: Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread Mladen Gogala
Your process has parts of SGA attached to it. The only way to actually find out
is to examine the process address space wia kernel debugger or /proc file
system. First, try with ps -lp  and see how big is the RSS (resident set size).
On 11/17/2003 02:09:26 AM, "Daiminger, Helmut" wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> we are running 9.2 on HP-UX here.
> 
> We have pg_aggregate_target configured, but I realized (in my opinion) very
> high memory consumption of Oracle Unix processes.
> 
> a) How come that one Oracle Connection (i.e. dedicated Unix process on HP)
> is using up at least 22 MB of RAM? It is using 22 MB if the user is just
> connected, not doing anything. 
> 
> Any way I can modify this?
> 
> b) If the user is querying data and the like, the memory consumption goes up
> to 60 MB. How come?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards,
> Helmut
> 
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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Yong Huang
Carel-Jan,

About two weeks ago, Faan DeSwardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to the thread
"Unicode: UTF-16 to UTF-8 conversion", saying UTF-8 is variable-length encoding
and so is slower than the fixed-width UTF-16, and also US7ASCII. Maybe it's the
same issue here comparing UTF-8 with WE8ISO8859P15. Faan can comment.

Yong Huang

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> 
> One of my customers gets HP Servicedesk 4.5 implemented. The database that
> has been created by on of the DBA's for the application is Oracle 8.1.7.4,
> on AIX 4.3.
> 
> The database has characterset UTF8, which is the standard here.
> 
> Now ServiceDesk has bad performance. HP claims that the characterset is
> wrong, and a new database has to be created with character set
> WE8ISO8859P15.
> 
> I've never heard of bad performance due to differences in character sets,
> probably because of my lack of experience. Anyone familiar with this
> issue?
> 
> TIA, Carel-Jan

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Re: Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread Yong Huang
Gogala,

I've been searching for a /proc filesystem implementation on HPUX for years. I
don't think it's there yet.

Yong Huang

--- Mladen Gogala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your process has parts of SGA attached to it. The only way to actually find
> out
> is to examine the process address space wia kernel debugger or /proc file
> system. First, try with ps -lp  and see how big is the RSS (resident set
> size).
> On 11/17/2003 02:09:26 AM, "Daiminger, Helmut" wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > we are running 9.2 on HP-UX here.
> > 
> > We have pg_aggregate_target configured, but I realized (in my opinion) very
> > high memory consumption of Oracle Unix processes.
> > 
> > a) How come that one Oracle Connection (i.e. dedicated Unix process on HP)
> > is using up at least 22 MB of RAM? It is using 22 MB if the user is just
> > connected, not doing anything. 
> > 
> > Any way I can modify this?
> > 
> > b) If the user is querying data and the like, the memory consumption goes
> up
> > to 60 MB. How come?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Helmut
> > 
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IOUG Live2004 session confirmation

2003-11-17 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

Does anyone who submitted their abstracts to IOUG-A Live! 2004 remember when
was the deadline for acceptance confirmation from IOUG-A?

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Re: how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

2003-11-17 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

You should check the licensing agreements first, AFAIK you need a licence
for each CPU in server, it doesn't matter how many of them you actually use.

Also I haven't heard that HP-UX supported CPU affinity anyway...

Tanel.

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> Hi!
>
> We are currently discussing Oracle licensing issues. Due to the number of
> users, named user licensing is not an option for us.
>
> Our HP-boxes are having 10 processors each. Since the CPU's are 90% idle,
we
> are thinking about limiting Oracle to only using 4 out of the 10 CPUs. Is
> this possible (i.e. via the parameter cpu_count)?
> The other 6 CPU's will then be used by other applications ion the box
(e.g.
> BEA WebLogic etc.).
>
> This is 9.2 on HP-UX 11.11.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: IOUG Live2004 session confirmation

2003-11-17 Thread Daniel Fink
Tanel,

The emails/letters should be coming out soon. They have been working on
scheduling.

Daniel Fink

Tanel Poder wrote:

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> was the deadline for acceptance confirmation from IOUG-A?
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Configuring multi-threaded server

2003-11-17 Thread Schauss, Peter
Oracle version 8.1.7
AIX 4.3.3

I am trying to configure mult-threaded server on one of my development
databases.  In my init.ora file, I set 

(mts_dispatchers="(address=(protocol=tcp))"
mts_servers=10

When I bring up the database, I can see the dispatcher and 
servers.  When I connect to the database with sqlnet, however,
it still gives me a dedicated server.

I tried forcing the connection by putting (server=shared) into 
the tnsnames.ora file on my client.  Then I get:

ORA-12520: TNS:listener could not find available handler for requested type
of
server

What am I missing here?

Thanks,
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Re: Configuring multi-threaded server

2003-11-17 Thread Barbara Baker
Peter:
8.1.7 is pretty picky about syntax.
Here's what I have in my 8.1.7.4 database.  (It's
Solaris, but I believe the parameter is the same)


MTS_DISPATCHERS="(address=(PROTOCOL=TCP)(HOST=atex-ent-prd1))(disp=2)"

mts_servers = 20

Good luck!
Barb

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> 
> I am trying to configure mult-threaded server on one
> of my development
> databases.  In my init.ora file, I set 
> 
> (mts_dispatchers="(address=(protocol=tcp))"
> mts_servers=10
> 
> When I bring up the database, I can see the
> dispatcher and 
> servers.  When I connect to the database with
> sqlnet, however,
> it still gives me a dedicated server.
> 
> I tried forcing the connection by putting
> (server=shared) into 
> the tnsnames.ora file on my client.  Then I get:
> 
> ORA-12520: TNS:listener could not find available
> handler for requested type
> of
> server
> 
> What am I missing here?
> 
> Thanks,
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RE: IOUG Live2004 session confirmation

2003-11-17 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
Talked with Stan Yellott Friday.  His is scheduling and confirming today.

Thank You

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Hi!

Does anyone who submitted their abstracts to IOUG-A Live! 2004 remember when
was the deadline for acceptance confirmation from IOUG-A?

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RE: how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

2003-11-17 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
Helmut:

  I think (???) if you have MC Service Guard installed, you can specifically
allocate CPUs for specific processes.  For the SQL*Net stuff, not sure if
you can limit these.

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Subject:how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

Hi!

We are currently discussing Oracle licensing issues. Due to the number of
users, named user licensing is not an option for us.

Our HP-boxes are having 10 processors each. Since the CPU's are 90% idle, we
are thinking about limiting Oracle to only using 4 out of the 10 CPUs. Is
this possible (i.e. via the parameter cpu_count)?
The other 6 CPU's will then be used by other applications ion the box (e.g.
BEA WebLogic etc.).

This is 9.2 on HP-UX 11.11.

Thanks,
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Re: Savepoints in 9i

2003-11-17 Thread Jared Still
The fine manual doesn't seem to reveal anything new.

Here's what you need to do:

Write some pure PL/SQL code with which you can duplicate
this problem, and post it to the list.

If you can't duplicate it that way, it's very likely to
be a Pro*C problem, in which case you should:

Write some C and PL/SQL and post it to the list.

You have checked MetaLink haven't you?

Jared

On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 23:39, Ramasubramanian, Shankar (Cognizant) wrote:
> Hi Friends ,
>   In my application , we are having a program written in C which executes the 
> sql command that is passed as an argument to it. When I call the procedure to 
> Create a savepoint "SP1" and then to rollback to the named savepoint , it throws an 
> oracle error "1086- Savepoint "SP1" never established. The same piece of code worked 
> with Oracle 8i . Is there any differences in Oracle 9i related to savepoints. Please 
> note that I am using a single database and no autonomous transactions.
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> Shankar
> 
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Re: Savepoints in 9i

2003-11-17 Thread Daniel Fink
Here's a wild guess, could it have anything to do with turning on automatic undo and 
setting undo_suppress_errors (sp?) to true? Is the savepoint command erroring and not 
being trapped?

Daniel Fink

Jared Still wrote:

> The fine manual doesn't seem to reveal anything new.
>
> Here's what you need to do:
>
> Write some pure PL/SQL code with which you can duplicate
> this problem, and post it to the list.
>
> If you can't duplicate it that way, it's very likely to
> be a Pro*C problem, in which case you should:
>
> Write some C and PL/SQL and post it to the list.
>
> You have checked MetaLink haven't you?
>
> Jared
>
> On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 23:39, Ramasubramanian, Shankar (Cognizant) wrote:
> > Hi Friends ,
> >   In my application , we are having a program written in C which executes the 
> > sql command that is passed as an argument to it. When I call the procedure to
> > Create a savepoint "SP1" and then to rollback to the named savepoint , it throws 
> > an oracle error "1086- Savepoint "SP1" never established. The same piece of code 
> > worked with Oracle 8i . Is there any differences in Oracle 9i related to 
> > savepoints. Please note that I am using a single database and no autonomous 
> > transactions.
> >
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Shankar
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Re: Configuring multi-threaded server

2003-11-17 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
You have to make sure the dispatchers are registered with the
listener.  Use "lsnrctl services" to make sure.  The error you gave
shows that they are not registered.

If your listener is not on 1521, then the dispatchers won't know how
to find it to register.  You'll have to add the listener= atttribute
to the mts_dispatchers parameter.

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Schauss, Peter wrote:

> Oracle version 8.1.7
> AIX 4.3.3
>
> I am trying to configure mult-threaded server on one of my development
> databases.  In my init.ora file, I set
>
> (mts_dispatchers="(address=(protocol=tcp))"
> mts_servers=10
>
> When I bring up the database, I can see the dispatcher and
> servers.  When I connect to the database with sqlnet, however,
> it still gives me a dedicated server.
>
> I tried forcing the connection by putting (server=shared) into
> the tnsnames.ora file on my client.  Then I get:
>
> ORA-12520: TNS:listener could not find available handler for requested type
> of
> server

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RE: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Bellow, Bambi
Jacques --

Huh?  I thought the question was, "give me all the usrs where there exists a
record containing a 1,5, and 7".  How can that return one record, when there
are two users -- and only two users -- who have the 1,5,7 combination?  The
data provided shows that both GAP and GPA have a 1, 5 and 7 and that no
other users do.  My query provides that answer.  If that wasn't the
question, then that won't be the answer; but if it *was* the question, then
the query is correct.  

HTH,
Bambi.
=

create table gab (usr char(3),val number);
insert into gab values ('GAP',1);
insert into gab values ('GAP',5);
insert into gab values ('GAP',5);
insert into gab values ('GAP',7);
insert into gab values ('PAG',1);
insert into gab values ('PAG',7);
insert into gab values ('PAG',2);
insert into gab values ('JKL',1);
insert into gab values ('JKL',5);
insert into gab values ('JKL',5);
insert into gab values ('GPA',1);
insert into gab values ('GPA',5);
insert into gab values ('GPA',7);
insert into gab values ('GPA',8);

 select usr from gab
 where val=1
 intersect
 select usr from gab
 where val=5
 intersect
 select usr from gab
 where val=7;

USR
---
GAP
GPA



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> -Original Message-
> Bellow, Bambi
> 
> Why not do it like this...
> 
> select usr from gab
> where val=1
> intersect
> select usr from gab 
> where val=5
> intersect
> select usr from gab
> where val=7;


Because that way you would get the wrong answer. With the sample data as
kindly provided by Mr. Begun the correct query would return one row, but
your query returns two rows.
SQL> select * from gab ;

USR  VAL
-- -
GAP1
GAP5
GAP5
GAP7
PAG1
PAG7
PAG2
JKL1
JKL5
JKL5
GPA1
GPA5
GPA7
GPA8

14 ligne(s) sélectionnée(s).

SQL> select usr from gab
  2  where val=1
  3  intersect
  4  select usr from gab 
  5  where val=5
  6  intersect
  7  select usr from gab
  8  where val=7;

USR
--
GAP
GPA
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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Bellow, Bambi
> >>
> >> Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
> >> earlier,
> >> but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
> >>
> >> They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
> >>


And that dreaded afiedt.buf came was a copy of the "Advanced User Friendly
Interface Buffer" (edt was VMS's editor back then) 

Bambi.
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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Bellow, Bambi
Hope you don't mind the intrusion... I used HLI back in 5.0.20 days, and the
big problem converting in 5.1.22 when everything had to go to IAPXIT.  When
were IAP|IAG replaced with IAD?  I thought that came in around 1.3... was it
later?  Because by v2 it was SQL*Forms...

Bambi.

On 11/17/2003 06:14:24 AM, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> Mladen, we must have started in the same era. You're describing the
> environment I started with, however, our disk was 10MB. So you remember
> SQL*Forms 1.3 (IAC/IAG/IAP) and HLI as well?
> 
> > Carel, I know that. That was my first oracle version. I installed V4 on
an
> > IBM
> > PC/XT with WD 20MB hard drive and two 5.25 floppy drives which could
> > each hold 360k of information. Yes, you read it correctly. It was 20 MB
> > hard drive, not 20 GB. OS was the unforgettable DOS 3.0 and the graphic
> > card was called "Hercules". I don't know why was it called "graphic
card"
> > because it didn't have any graphic. The first real graphic was CGA and
> > then
> > EGA, VGA, XGA on PS/2 (IBM PS/2, not Playstation 2)  and SVGA.
> >
> > On 2003.11.16 21:04, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> >> Hi Mladen,
> >>
> >> At 06:19 12-11-03 -0800, you wrote:
> >>> SQL*Plus has a ghastly and disgusting user interface,
> >>> implemented without "readline" or equivalent, which would give a
> >>> command
> >>> history.
> >>> Littering the system with those @#$%! afiedt.buf files is bad enough
> >>> but
> >>> line
> >>> editting commands are an indicator of how much oracle cares for the
> >>> user
> >>> interface.
> >> 
> >>> and sqlplus is definitely not something that I'd like presenting to my
> >>> users.
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
> >> earlier,
> >> but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
> >>
> >> They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
> >>
> >> Regards, Carel-Jan
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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
IAD was the executable (on VMS) that the Sql*Forms command ran (D for
Designer).  IAG was to generate a form (G for Generate).  IAP to execute it
(P for something that I can't remember).  This was SqlForms 3.0.

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Hope you don't mind the intrusion... I used HLI back in 5.0.20 days, and the
big problem converting in 5.1.22 when everything had to go to IAPXIT.  When
were IAP|IAG replaced with IAD?  I thought that came in around 1.3... was it
later?  Because by v2 it was SQL*Forms...

Bambi.

On 11/17/2003 06:14:24 AM, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> Mladen, we must have started in the same era. You're describing the
> environment I started with, however, our disk was 10MB. So you remember
> SQL*Forms 1.3 (IAC/IAG/IAP) and HLI as well?
> 
> > Carel, I know that. That was my first oracle version. I installed V4 on
an
> > IBM
> > PC/XT with WD 20MB hard drive and two 5.25 floppy drives which could
> > each hold 360k of information. Yes, you read it correctly. It was 20 MB
> > hard drive, not 20 GB. OS was the unforgettable DOS 3.0 and the graphic
> > card was called "Hercules". I don't know why was it called "graphic
card"
> > because it didn't have any graphic. The first real graphic was CGA and
> > then
> > EGA, VGA, XGA on PS/2 (IBM PS/2, not Playstation 2)  and SVGA.
> >
> > On 2003.11.16 21:04, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> >> Hi Mladen,
> >>
> >> At 06:19 12-11-03 -0800, you wrote:
> >>> SQL*Plus has a ghastly and disgusting user interface,
> >>> implemented without "readline" or equivalent, which would give a
> >>> command
> >>> history.
> >>> Littering the system with those @#$%! afiedt.buf files is bad enough
> >>> but
> >>> line
> >>> editting commands are an indicator of how much oracle cares for the
> >>> user
> >>> interface.
> >> 
> >>> and sqlplus is definitely not something that I'd like presenting to my
> >>> users.
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
> >> earlier,
> >> but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
> >>
> >> They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
> >>
> >> Regards, Carel-Jan
> >>
> >> -- There will allways be another 10 last bugs --
> >>
> >>--
> >> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> >>--
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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Bellow, Bambi
P was Program... it was the Y/N program file.

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IAD was the executable (on VMS) that the Sql*Forms command ran (D for
Designer).  IAG was to generate a form (G for Generate).  IAP to execute it
(P for something that I can't remember).  This was SqlForms 3.0.

Tom Mercadante
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Hope you don't mind the intrusion... I used HLI back in 5.0.20 days, and the
big problem converting in 5.1.22 when everything had to go to IAPXIT.  When
were IAP|IAG replaced with IAD?  I thought that came in around 1.3... was it
later?  Because by v2 it was SQL*Forms...

Bambi.

On 11/17/2003 06:14:24 AM, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> Mladen, we must have started in the same era. You're describing the
> environment I started with, however, our disk was 10MB. So you remember
> SQL*Forms 1.3 (IAC/IAG/IAP) and HLI as well?
> 
> > Carel, I know that. That was my first oracle version. I installed V4 on
an
> > IBM
> > PC/XT with WD 20MB hard drive and two 5.25 floppy drives which could
> > each hold 360k of information. Yes, you read it correctly. It was 20 MB
> > hard drive, not 20 GB. OS was the unforgettable DOS 3.0 and the graphic
> > card was called "Hercules". I don't know why was it called "graphic
card"
> > because it didn't have any graphic. The first real graphic was CGA and
> > then
> > EGA, VGA, XGA on PS/2 (IBM PS/2, not Playstation 2)  and SVGA.
> >
> > On 2003.11.16 21:04, Carel-Jan Engel wrote:
> >> Hi Mladen,
> >>
> >> At 06:19 12-11-03 -0800, you wrote:
> >>> SQL*Plus has a ghastly and disgusting user interface,
> >>> implemented without "readline" or equivalent, which would give a
> >>> command
> >>> history.
> >>> Littering the system with those @#$%! afiedt.buf files is bad enough
> >>> but
> >>> line
> >>> editting commands are an indicator of how much oracle cares for the
> >>> user
> >>> interface.
> >> 
> >>> and sqlplus is definitely not something that I'd like presenting to my
> >>> users.
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
> >> earlier,
> >> but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
> >>
> >> They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
> >>
> >> Regards, Carel-Jan
> >>
> >> -- There will allways be another 10 last bugs --
> >>
> >>--
> >> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> >>--
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building a reporting database

2003-11-17 Thread Sai Selvaganesan
hi
 
i am in the process of trying to firgure out the best way to model a reporting database . the source for the data in this database is a oltp system and i have figured out these three methods are good.
- using aq and dq message processing
- using snapshot replication
- using ro standby databases.
 
the last one will lag in data since standby database caanot have any archival log applied when opened in read only.
 
is there any other good method to do this . my database is on 8.1.7.4
 
thanks
sai

RE: building a reporting database

2003-11-17 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Sai - In your first sentence, you ask about modeling. Then the rest of your
posting appears to relate to data movement? Which topic are you interested
in discussing? For data movement, the best method often relates to the
amount of data you estimate you will be moving, and how often.



Dennis Williams
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hi
 
i am in the process of trying to firgure out the best way to model a
reporting database . the source for the data in this database is a oltp
system and i have figured out these three methods are good.
- using aq and dq message processing
- using snapshot replication
- using ro standby databases.
 
the last one will lag in data since standby database caanot have any
archival log applied when opened in read only.
 
is there any other good method to do this . my database is on 8.1.7.4
 
thanks
sai

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RE: how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

2003-11-17 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Helmut
Tanel's understanding matches mine. CPU-based licensing makes it wise to
install Oracle only on servers used exclusively for Oracle. You might also
consider Oracle Standard Edition licensing.

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Hi!

You should check the licensing agreements first, AFAIK you need a licence
for each CPU in server, it doesn't matter how many of them you actually use.

Also I haven't heard that HP-UX supported CPU affinity anyway...

Tanel.

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> Hi!
>
> We are currently discussing Oracle licensing issues. Due to the number of
> users, named user licensing is not an option for us.
>
> Our HP-boxes are having 10 processors each. Since the CPU's are 90% idle,
we
> are thinking about limiting Oracle to only using 4 out of the 10 CPUs. Is
> this possible (i.e. via the parameter cpu_count)?
> The other 6 CPU's will then be used by other applications ion the box
(e.g.
> BEA WebLogic etc.).
>
> This is 9.2 on HP-UX 11.11.
>
> Thanks,
> Helmut
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RE: software deployment control

2003-11-17 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Ron
   The organization that is providing concepts behind improving deployment
processes is ITIL. Start at http://www.itil.org. This is not a software
package (but some software packages comply with ITIL's concepts). It isn't
even a set of procedures, but a set of processes that will assist you in
creating procedures that will work for your particular organization. 
   Does your organization have or plan a service desk? This process will
integrate the service desk with your deployment procedures. Overall, the
idea is a closed-loop process between incident reporting, incident tracking,
change request, and deployment.
   Organizations often start this in a phased manner, beginning with one or
two pieces. But it really helps if you understand where you're headed. 
   In terms of improving the quality of deployment, most of us have test and
production environments. Consider adding a third, QA or staging. This is a
clone of production. The changes are first applied to staging and then
tested. If the tests are satisfactory, then the exact changes are made to
production.

Dennis Williams
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List,
 I have been asked to produce a process for documenting the
request,test,deployment, etc of the server OS, client OS, and databases
that we use. I have googled for 'software deployment control' and
'software change management' without much success. We are looking for a
written procedure not a purchased software package.  Does anyone have a
source location for documentation so I can start on my project.

Thanks,
Ron

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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

Only string manipulation/comparision is slower with variable width charsets
than with fixed width ones, because with variable width ones (UTF-8) you
have to check the highest bit of each byte to check whether it shows that
the next byte is "part of" current character or is part of next character.
So, this means more CPU usage.

But, if you migrate your whole database from UTF-8 to UTF-16 and you got a
lot of character data, your database overall performance might get worse,
since your strings get larger in bytes and retrieving 100 rows might mean
reading 20 blocks instead of 10 like in the past.

Performance depends on a lot of things, such how much string operations you
got, what are the contents of your strings (are they mainly latin chars or
are there lots of asian ones etc..).

Tanel.

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> Carel-Jan,
>
> About two weeks ago, Faan DeSwardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to the
thread
> "Unicode: UTF-16 to UTF-8 conversion", saying UTF-8 is variable-length
encoding
> and so is slower than the fixed-width UTF-16, and also US7ASCII. Maybe
it's the
> same issue here comparing UTF-8 with WE8ISO8859P15. Faan can comment.
>
> Yong Huang
>
> --- Carel-Jan Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi List,
> >
> > One of my customers gets HP Servicedesk 4.5 implemented. The database
that
> > has been created by on of the DBA's for the application is Oracle
8.1.7.4,
> > on AIX 4.3.
> >
> > The database has characterset UTF8, which is the standard here.
> >
> > Now ServiceDesk has bad performance. HP claims that the characterset is
> > wrong, and a new database has to be created with character set
> > WE8ISO8859P15.
> >
> > I've never heard of bad performance due to differences in character
sets,
> > probably because of my lack of experience. Anyone familiar with this
> > issue?
> >
> > TIA, Carel-Jan
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RE: building a reporting database

2003-11-17 Thread Sai Selvaganesan
dennis
 
i am sorry to have been real unclear. data movement is what i am interested in. 


RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Thater, William
Bellow, Bambi  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

 Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
 earlier, but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
 
 They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
 
> 
> 
> And that dreaded afiedt.buf came was a copy of the "Advanced User
> Friendly Interface Buffer" (edt was VMS's editor back then)

EDT and EVE RULZ!  that was back when Oracle was developed on VMS.  a...
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RE: granting SELECT privilege on SYS.X$ TABLES

2003-11-17 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Yet another case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. Now I'm 
curious to find out which team is creating those x_$ views.

> -Original Message-
> Mark Leith
> 
> Check out Jacques e-mail address - he *works* for Quest ;)
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RE: granting SELECT privilege on SYS.X$ TABLES

2003-11-17 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Boy do I feel stupid!
Thank you Mr. Khedr and Mr. Breitling. I know the views are there, but at first I 
thought that maybe there were being created as part of the database creation process 
in some cases. In the first database I looked at, the X_$ views had the same creation 
date as the database creation date, but then one of the programmers here might have 
used a Quest tool on the database on the same day it was created. Now I see that in 
the other databases that have those views, the views were created later.
I'll have to find out which product does that, most of the quest products create 
objects staring with QUEST (e.g. QUEST_XXX_X$KTFBUE) - actually AFAIK it's the rule 
for any object created in the database - but it does seem like there's one that 
doesn't use that naming convention.

> -Original Message-
> Wolfgang Breitling
> 
> Someone must have created sys.x_$ views on some of the sys.x$ tables. 
> Installing statspack does that for example for X$KCBFWAIT, X$KSPPSV, 
> X$KSPPI, and X$KSQST. Do you have quest? I believe it does it 
> for some of 
> the x$ tables as well. I routinely do it for all x$ tables in my test 
> databases and grant select to the select_catalog_role. Then I 
> can access 
> the x$tables without having to log on as sys.
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RE: software deployment control

2003-11-17 Thread Ron Rogers
Dennis,
 Thanks for the reply and I appreciate the starting URL.
 We have a service or help desk already and I would like to make it
browser based
but I am banging my head against the wall of "we don't use it or need
it why train for it" 
mentality.
 You mentioned the particular servers that are available to use for
deployment in your
location. We have a development server with 2 years worth of data for
development
and test purposes and a production server with 11 years worth of data.
I would love to have
a test server with a full compliment of production data but that is not
going to happen. Heck
I am keeping my test/play Linux box up to date data wise incase it is
needed for disaster 
recovery purposes.
 The reason the process documentation is needed is it was recommended
by the
outside auditors when we had our audit in July.
Thanks,
Ron

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/2003 1:34:33 PM >>>
Ron
   The organization that is providing concepts behind improving
deployment
processes is ITIL. Start at http://www.itil.org. This is not a
software
package (but some software packages comply with ITIL's concepts). It
isn't
even a set of procedures, but a set of processes that will assist you
in
creating procedures that will work for your particular organization. 
   Does your organization have or plan a service desk? This process
will
integrate the service desk with your deployment procedures. Overall,
the
idea is a closed-loop process between incident reporting, incident
tracking,
change request, and deployment.
   Organizations often start this in a phased manner, beginning with
one or
two pieces. But it really helps if you understand where you're headed.

   In terms of improving the quality of deployment, most of us have
test and
production environments. Consider adding a third, QA or staging. This
is a
clone of production. The changes are first applied to staging and then
tested. If the tests are satisfactory, then the exact changes are made
to
production.

Dennis Williams
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List,
 I have been asked to produce a process for documenting the
request,test,deployment, etc of the server OS, client OS, and
databases
that we use. I have googled for 'software deployment control' and
'software change management' without much success. We are looking for
a
written procedure not a purchased software package.  Does anyone have
a
source location for documentation so I can start on my project.

Thanks,
Ron

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RE: Configuring multi-threaded server

2003-11-17 Thread Schauss, Peter
When I do "lsnrctl services", I get two entries for each instance.
For example:

  tawk  has 1 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:33 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
  tawk  has 2 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:0 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
DISPATCHER established:0 refused:0 current:0 max:1022 state:ready
  D000 
  (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=bvdesi02.esid.northgrum.com)(PORT=33420))

It looks like the listener is ignoring the second entry.  Any idea what is
going on here?

Thanks,
Peter Schauss

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You have to make sure the dispatchers are registered with the
listener.  Use "lsnrctl services" to make sure.  The error you gave
shows that they are not registered.

If your listener is not on 1521, then the dispatchers won't know how
to find it to register.  You'll have to add the listener= atttribute
to the mts_dispatchers parameter.

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Schauss, Peter wrote:

> Oracle version 8.1.7
> AIX 4.3.3
>
> I am trying to configure mult-threaded server on one of my development
> databases.  In my init.ora file, I set
>
> (mts_dispatchers="(address=(protocol=tcp))"
> mts_servers=10
>
> When I bring up the database, I can see the dispatcher and
> servers.  When I connect to the database with sqlnet, however,
> it still gives me a dedicated server.
>
> I tried forcing the connection by putting (server=shared) into
> the tnsnames.ora file on my client.  Then I get:
>
> ORA-12520: TNS:listener could not find available handler for requested
type
> of
> server

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RE: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
The original question was "show me the users who have ALL the values in the list but 
NOT MORE than the values in the list."

> -Original Message-
> Bellow, Bambi
> 
> Huh?  I thought the question was, "give me all the usrs where 
> there exists a
> record containing a 1,5, and 7".  How can that return one 
> record, when there
> are two users -- and only two users -- who have the 1,5,7 
> combination?  The
> data provided shows that both GAP and GPA have a 1, 5 and 7 
> and that no
> other users do.  My query provides that answer.  If that wasn't the
> question, then that won't be the answer; but if it *was* the 
> question, then
> the query is correct.  
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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Bellow, Bambi
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Bellow, Bambi  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

 Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
 earlier, but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
 
 They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
 
> 
> 
> And that dreaded afiedt.buf came was a copy of the "Advanced User
> Friendly Interface Buffer" (edt was VMS's editor back then)

EDT and EVE RULZ!  that was back when Oracle was developed on VMS.  a...
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Re: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Mladen Gogala
Well, not all hope is lost. Look at the following URL's:

http://www.makalis.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMS/indexGB.html
http://www.bosbc.com/

The second one is a commercial product, but certainly provides a
familiar layer.


On 11/17/2003 02:04:25 PM, "Thater, William" wrote:
> Bellow, Bambi  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> 
>  Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
>  earlier, but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
>  
>  They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
>  
> > 
> > 
> > And that dreaded afiedt.buf came was a copy of the "Advanced User
> > Friendly Interface Buffer" (edt was VMS's editor back then)
> 
> EDT and EVE RULZ!  that was back when Oracle was developed on VMS.  a...
> the good old days.  anybody remember TECO?;-)
> 
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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Carel-Jan
At 10:34 17-11-03 -0800, you wrote:

Performance depends on a lot of things, such how much string operations you
got, what are the contents of your strings (are they mainly latin chars or
are there lots of asian ones etc..).
Tanel.
Thanks Tanel for your respond. I doubt whether a query will go from several 
minutes to seconds, even when a fixed-width single-byte characterset is 
chosen. I'm not supposed to interfere with this Service Desk project, but 
just couldn't keep my mouth shut when I heard HP scheduled a meeting for 
tomorrow (when I'm not there) and claimed that recreation of a database 
with the proper characterset would do the job. I suggested to do some 
tracing & analysis first, before start shooting at a moving target in the 
dark. And of course posted the question to this bunch of knowledgable people.

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RE: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Michael Milligan
Just a guess:

select distinct 
  usr 
from 
  xxx
where 
 (select 
count(*) 
  from 
xxx
  group by Usr) 
  = 
 (select 
count(*) 
from 
  xxx
group by Usr, val)

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Gabriel Aragon wrote:
> 
> I have a table with like this:
> 
> Usr  val
> --
> GAP  1
> GAP  5
> GAP  7
> JKL  8
> JKL  5
> 
> I need a query that returns the user (GAP o JKL) that
> has ALL the values in a list. Example: Having the
> list: 1,5,7 the result will be GAP, but with the
> values 1,5 or 1,5,7,8 there will be no result.
> 
> select distinct usr
> from xxx
> where val = All (1,3,5)
> 
> I was trying the ALL operator but it works with part
> of the list, I need the user that has (exactly) all
> the values in the list. Any idea?
> 
> Maybe it's a simple solution, but after several hours
> I feel blocked.
> 
> TIA
> Gabriel
> 

select usr
from XXX
where val in (list)
group by usr
having count(*) = number of values in list

does it but assumes that (usr, val) is unique (which can be easily
worked-around :
select usr
from (select distinct usr, val
  from XXX)
group by ... )

and also that you know both the list and the number of items in the
list, which looks reasonable.
If your intent is to build the queries and the list dynamically, I'd
rather suggest storing the list into a temporary table.

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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Carel-Jan
Thanks Yong. I doubt whether this can have such a significant effect, or it 
must be that due to some incompatability an index can't be used (or simply 
isn't even there). They have to trace the session, alas I'm not allowed to 
touch the system (other project, other budget blah blah)



At 06:54 17-11-03 -0800, you wrote:
Carel-Jan,

About two weeks ago, Faan DeSwardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to the thread
"Unicode: UTF-16 to UTF-8 conversion", saying UTF-8 is variable-length 
encoding
and so is slower than the fixed-width UTF-16, and also US7ASCII. Maybe 
it's the
same issue here comparing UTF-8 with WE8ISO8859P15. Faan can comment.

Yong Huang
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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Jesse, Rich
We've purchased nuTPU from aSoft:

http://www.asoft-dev.com/tpu_info.htm

It's very good, although most of my low level EVE replacements don't work
(e.g. off-screen cursor handling, custom comment handling, etc.).
Development appears to be stopped as there have been no new patches or
versions in a few years, but I like the idea of the stability.

I also use an old version of microEMACS (uemacs) on my beloved Amiga, which
reminds me a lot of EDT.

Rich

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Well, not all hope is lost. Look at the following URL's:

http://www.makalis.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMS/indexGB.html
http://www.bosbc.com/

The second one is a commercial product, but certainly provides a
familiar layer.


On 11/17/2003 02:04:25 PM, "Thater, William" wrote:
> Bellow, Bambi  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> 
>  Do you know how SQL*Plus was called during Oracle V4? (And maybe
>  earlier, but this is as far as my history with Oracle goes)
>  
>  They called it UFI, which means User Friendly Interface!
>  
> > 
> > 
> > And that dreaded afiedt.buf came was a copy of the "Advanced User
> > Friendly Interface Buffer" (edt was VMS's editor back then)
> 
> EDT and EVE RULZ!  that was back when Oracle was developed on VMS.
a...
> the good old days.  anybody remember TECO?;-)
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Re: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Daniel Fink
Using Bambi's table and values. Try this query, it's ugly but it works (kind of like 
the contributor...)

Daniel


  1  select o.usr, count(o.usr)
  2  from (select distinct usr, val
  3from gab
  4where val in (1,5,7)
  5  and usr not in (select usr
  6  from gab
  7  where val not in (1,5,7))) o
  8  group by o.usr
  9* having count(o.usr) = 3



Jacques Kilchoer wrote:

> The original question was "show me the users who have ALL the values in the list but 
> NOT MORE than the values in the list."
>
> > -Original Message-
> > Bellow, Bambi
> >
> > Huh?  I thought the question was, "give me all the usrs where
> > there exists a
> > record containing a 1,5, and 7".  How can that return one
> > record, when there
> > are two users -- and only two users -- who have the 1,5,7
> > combination?  The
> > data provided shows that both GAP and GPA have a 1, 5 and 7
> > and that no
> > other users do.  My query provides that answer.  If that wasn't the
> > question, then that won't be the answer; but if it *was* the
> > question, then
> > the query is correct.
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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Thater, William
Bellow, Bambi  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

> make love
not war

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RE: Configuring multi-threaded server

2003-11-17 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Peter,

If you declare in the init.ora file where the listener is running, then the
database automatically connects to the listener.  This is the second tawk
entry in your lsnrctl status listing.

If you declare the database in the listener.ora file, then the listener goes
looking for the database, thus the other entry in your output.

I now remove the database entry in the listener.ora file, and keep all my
connection info in the init.ora file.

hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
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When I do "lsnrctl services", I get two entries for each instance.
For example:

  tawk  has 1 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:33 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
  tawk  has 2 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:0 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
DISPATCHER established:0 refused:0 current:0 max:1022 state:ready
  D000 
  (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=bvdesi02.esid.northgrum.com)(PORT=33420))

It looks like the listener is ignoring the second entry.  Any idea what is
going on here?

Thanks,
Peter Schauss

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You have to make sure the dispatchers are registered with the
listener.  Use "lsnrctl services" to make sure.  The error you gave
shows that they are not registered.

If your listener is not on 1521, then the dispatchers won't know how
to find it to register.  You'll have to add the listener= atttribute
to the mts_dispatchers parameter.

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Schauss, Peter wrote:

> Oracle version 8.1.7
> AIX 4.3.3
>
> I am trying to configure mult-threaded server on one of my development
> databases.  In my init.ora file, I set
>
> (mts_dispatchers="(address=(protocol=tcp))"
> mts_servers=10
>
> When I bring up the database, I can see the dispatcher and
> servers.  When I connect to the database with sqlnet, however,
> it still gives me a dedicated server.
>
> I tried forcing the connection by putting (server=shared) into
> the tnsnames.ora file on my client.  Then I get:
>
> ORA-12520: TNS:listener could not find available handler for requested
type
> of
> server

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RE: Configuring multi-threaded server

2003-11-17 Thread Schauss, Peter
Thanks for all of the suggestions.  I took a look at my init.ora
file and discovered that I had the services and db_domain
entries disagreed with the database global_name value and.  I fixed
those entries, bounced the database and the connections started coming
in on the shared server.

Peter Schauss

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When I do "lsnrctl services", I get two entries for each instance.
For example:

  tawk  has 1 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:33 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
  tawk  has 2 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:0 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
DISPATCHER established:0 refused:0 current:0 max:1022 state:ready
  D000 
  (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=bvdesi02.esid.northgrum.com)(PORT=33420))

It looks like the listener is ignoring the second entry.  Any idea what is
going on here?

Thanks,
Peter Schauss

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You have to make sure the dispatchers are registered with the
listener.  Use "lsnrctl services" to make sure.  The error you gave
shows that they are not registered.

If your listener is not on 1521, then the dispatchers won't know how
to find it to register.  You'll have to add the listener= atttribute
to the mts_dispatchers parameter.

--
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Schauss, Peter wrote:

> Oracle version 8.1.7
> AIX 4.3.3
>
> I am trying to configure mult-threaded server on one of my development
> databases.  In my init.ora file, I set
>
> (mts_dispatchers="(address=(protocol=tcp))"
> mts_servers=10
>
> When I bring up the database, I can see the dispatcher and
> servers.  When I connect to the database with sqlnet, however,
> it still gives me a dedicated server.
>
> I tried forcing the connection by putting (server=shared) into
> the tnsnames.ora file on my client.  Then I get:
>
> ORA-12520: TNS:listener could not find available handler for requested
type
> of
> server

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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Yong Huang
Here's a wild guess. If the character set is changed, a 10 MB segment (from the
first extent to high water mark) may become 20 MB or 5 MB. Then CBO changes the
plan and it happens to be a bad one.

Yong Huang

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> 
> >Performance depends on a lot of things, such how much string operations you
> >got, what are the contents of your strings (are they mainly latin chars or
> >are there lots of asian ones etc..).
> >
> >Tanel.
> 
> Thanks Tanel for your respond. I doubt whether a query will go from several 
> minutes to seconds, even when a fixed-width single-byte characterset is 
> chosen. I'm not supposed to interfere with this Service Desk project, but 
> just couldn't keep my mouth shut when I heard HP scheduled a meeting for 
> tomorrow (when I'm not there) and claimed that recreation of a database 
> with the proper characterset would do the job. I suggested to do some 
> tracing & analysis first, before start shooting at a moving target in the 
> dark. And of course posted the question to this bunch of knowledgable people.
> 
> 
> Regards, Carel-Jan

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Re: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Mladen Gogala
Bill, that's a wrong answer. The correct answer is "make love, not children".
On 11/17/2003 02:54:42 PM, "Thater, William" wrote:
> Bellow, Bambi  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Carel-Jan
No characterset changed yet. They want us to recreate the database. the 
system is going live in a few weeks. I simply hate changing things because 
someone says so. It might be the quickest solution, but most probably not, 
and then it's a waste of time, energy etc.

Here's a wild guess. If the character set is changed, a 10 MB segment 
(from the
first extent to high water mark) may become 20 MB or 5 MB. Then CBO 
changes the
plan and it happens to be a bad one.

Yong Huang
Regards, Carel-Jan

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RE: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Carel-Jan
   Look at it this way. Easier to fix the character set now. And if the
performance is still bad, then they've got one less excuse. Being a DBA
means learning to live with disappointment.

Dennis Williams
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No characterset changed yet. They want us to recreate the database. the 
system is going live in a few weeks. I simply hate changing things because 
someone says so. It might be the quickest solution, but most probably not, 
and then it's a waste of time, energy etc.

>Here's a wild guess. If the character set is changed, a 10 MB segment 
>(from the
>first extent to high water mark) may become 20 MB or 5 MB. Then CBO 
>changes the
>plan and it happens to be a bad one.
>
>Yong Huang

Regards, Carel-Jan

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RE: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Bellow, Bambi
No, sorry, that is the correct answer.  The original question was "Does
anyone remember TECO?"  In TECO, if you entered the command "make love", it
would respond "not war".

Two points to Bill and thanks for the smile to both,
Bambi.

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Bill, that's a wrong answer. The correct answer is "make love, not
children".
On 11/17/2003 02:54:42 PM, "Thater, William" wrote:
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> 
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RE: Configuring multi-threaded server

2003-11-17 Thread Schauss, Peter
If you remove the database declarations from your listener.ora file
does it cause a problem if the listener is not running when
the database comes up?

Thanks,
Peter Schauss

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Peter,

If you declare in the init.ora file where the listener is running, then the
database automatically connects to the listener.  This is the second tawk
entry in your lsnrctl status listing.

If you declare the database in the listener.ora file, then the listener goes
looking for the database, thus the other entry in your output.

I now remove the database entry in the listener.ora file, and keep all my
connection info in the init.ora file.

hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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When I do "lsnrctl services", I get two entries for each instance.
For example:

  tawk  has 1 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:33 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
  tawk  has 2 service handler(s)
DEDICATED SERVER established:0 refused:0
  LOCAL SERVER
DISPATCHER established:0 refused:0 current:0 max:1022 state:ready
  D000 
  (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=bvdesi02.esid.northgrum.com)(PORT=33420))

It looks like the listener is ignoring the second entry.  Any idea what is
going on here?

Thanks,
Peter Schauss

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You have to make sure the dispatchers are registered with the
listener.  Use "lsnrctl services" to make sure.  The error you gave
shows that they are not registered.

If your listener is not on 1521, then the dispatchers won't know how
to find it to register.  You'll have to add the listener= atttribute
to the mts_dispatchers parameter.

--
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http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Schauss, Peter wrote:

> Oracle version 8.1.7
> AIX 4.3.3
>
> I am trying to configure mult-threaded server on one of my development
> databases.  In my init.ora file, I set
>
> (mts_dispatchers="(address=(protocol=tcp))"
> mts_servers=10
>
> When I bring up the database, I can see the dispatcher and
> servers.  When I connect to the database with sqlnet, however,
> it still gives me a dedicated server.
>
> I tried forcing the connection by putting (server=shared) into
> the tnsnames.ora file on my client.  Then I get:
>
> ORA-12520: TNS:listener could not find available handler for requested
type
> of
> server

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RE: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Alan Gano
Gabriel,

How about this untested code?

Alan.

select
   usr
from
   (
  select
 usr,
 sum(decode(val,1,1,0)) look1,  -- flag for 1
 sum(decode(val,5,5,0)) look2,  -- flag for 5
 sum(decode(val,7,7,0)) look3,  -- flag for 7
 sum(decode(val,1,0,5,0,7,0,1)) look4  -- flag for others
  from the_table
  group by usr
   )
where
   look1 = 1 AND
   look2 = 1 AND
   look3 = 1 AND
   look4 = 0
/




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I have a table with like this:

Usr  val
--
GAP  1
GAP  5
GAP  7
JKL  8
JKL  5

I need a query that returns the user (GAP o JKL) that
has ALL the values in a list. Example: Having the
list: 1,5,7 the result will be GAP, but with the
values 1,5 or 1,5,7,8 there will be no result.

select distinct usr 
from xxx 
where val = All (1,3,5)

I was trying the ALL operator but it works with part
of the list, I need the user that has (exactly) all
the values in the list. Any idea?

Maybe it's a simple solution, but after several hours
I feel blocked.

TIA
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Reducing rollback segment tablespace sizes

2003-11-17 Thread Michael Milligan
I have a client where rollback segments were set up RBS01-RBS05, all in a
tablespace called RBS. The person who set it up set %INCREASE at 50%. Well,
I shrank the segments to themselves down to less than 500MB total from
4.6GB! But in using ALTER DATABASE DATAFILE . . . RESIZE  . . . it won't let
me resize it at all (it has extents scattered throughout). Anyone know how I
go about shrinking it? Do I have to create a new tablespace/datafile, then
drop the old one?

TIA,

Michael Milligan
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Re: software deployment control

2003-11-17 Thread Jared . Still

Looks like someone has been tapped for Sarbanes Oxley.







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Re: Reducing rollback segment tablespace sizes

2003-11-17 Thread Stephane Faroult
Michael Milligan wrote:
> 
> I have a client where rollback segments were set up RBS01-RBS05, all in a
> tablespace called RBS. The person who set it up set %INCREASE at 50%. Well,
> I shrank the segments to themselves down to less than 500MB total from
> 4.6GB! But in using ALTER DATABASE DATAFILE . . . RESIZE  . . . it won't let
> me resize it at all (it has extents scattered throughout). Anyone know how I
> go about shrinking it? Do I have to create a new tablespace/datafile, then
> drop the old one?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Michael Milligan
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Waow !!! A true, live Oracle 6 database ?

AFAIK, PCTINCREASE has been hard-coded to 0 for rollback segments since
the beginnings of Oracle 7.

Concerning your question, it all depends on where your existing rollback
segments are located in the datafile (look at dba_extents). All you have
to do is drop and recreate each roolback segment in tirn.

Now, if this really is an Oracle6 database, RESIZE doesn't work ...

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Re: how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

2003-11-17 Thread Jared . Still

Actually, I believe it is even more restrictive than that.

It doesn't matter how many CPU's are in the machine, what matters
is how many CPU's the machine is capable of holding.

So what they are really licensing is not the # of CPU's, but 
the class of the machine.

Try digging in the archives, this has been discussed recently.

Jared







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Hi!

You should check the licensing agreements first, AFAIK you need a licence
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Also I haven't heard that HP-UX supported CPU affinity anyway...

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> We are currently discussing Oracle licensing issues. Due to the number of
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Re: Reducing rollback segment tablespace sizes

2003-11-17 Thread Daniel Fink
Micheal,

Could you shrink the rbs even smaller? This should work if the first two
extents of each rbs are in the 'first' blocks of the datafile. If not, the best
solution is to create new smaller ones as you drop the others and then resize.
Regardless of the solution, do this during a slow time to reduce the chance of
a 1555.

Daniel Fink

Michael Milligan wrote:

> I have a client where rollback segments were set up RBS01-RBS05, all in a
> tablespace called RBS. The person who set it up set %INCREASE at 50%. Well,
> I shrank the segments to themselves down to less than 500MB total from
> 4.6GB! But in using ALTER DATABASE DATAFILE . . . RESIZE  . . . it won't let
> me resize it at all (it has extents scattered throughout). Anyone know how I
> go about shrinking it? Do I have to create a new tablespace/datafile, then
> drop the old one?
>
> TIA,
>
> Michael Milligan
> Oracle DBA
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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Daniel Fink
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:

> Being a DBA means learning to live with disappointment.

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Re: Reducing rollback segment tablespace sizes

2003-11-17 Thread Jared . Still

The high water mark for the rollback segments is preventing you from shrinking the files.

Use "alter rollback segment  storage ( optimal ) "
to set an optimal size for the segment, then use 'alter rollback segment  shrink'
to shrink the rollback.

You may want to unset the optimal size when done by using NULL for the optimal size.

I haven't tried this on a rollback segment with the intent of shrinking the data files, so I'm not sure
it will do the trick.

In that case, you can either just create a new rollback tablespace with new rbs segments, and
then drop the old ones, or just drop all but the first of the rollback segments, then try your 
shrink of the datafile, and recreate the rbs segments.

If you create a new tablespace, keep in mind that there may be scripts ( backup, etc) with the
tablespace name hardcoded in them.  Bad form, but it happens.

HTH

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I have a client where rollback segments were set up RBS01-RBS05, all in a
tablespace called RBS. The person who set it up set %INCREASE at 50%. Well,
I shrank the segments to themselves down to less than 500MB total from
4.6GB! But in using ALTER DATABASE DATAFILE . . . RESIZE  . . . it won't let
me resize it at all (it has extents scattered throughout). Anyone know how I
go about shrinking it? Do I have to create a new tablespace/datafile, then
drop the old one?

TIA,

Michael Milligan
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RE: Reducing rollback segment tablespace sizes

2003-11-17 Thread Michael Milligan
Thanks for the info. 

It's 8.1.7.4, and it's not hard-coded. I changed it from 50% to 0%, but the
damage had been done. Maybe you're just nostalgiac for the good old days of
v6!

I did set an optimal, and used shrink. That worked fine to shrink the
segments, but they are still scattered throughout the tablespace, preventing
me from resizing the datafile. 

Thanks,

Mike

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Michael Milligan wrote:
> 
> I have a client where rollback segments were set up RBS01-RBS05, all in a
> tablespace called RBS. The person who set it up set %INCREASE at 50%.
Well,
> I shrank the segments to themselves down to less than 500MB total from
> 4.6GB! But in using ALTER DATABASE DATAFILE . . . RESIZE  . . . it won't
let
> me resize it at all (it has extents scattered throughout). Anyone know how
I
> go about shrinking it? Do I have to create a new tablespace/datafile, then
> drop the old one?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Michael Milligan
> Oracle DBA
> Ingenix, Inc.
> 2525 Lake Park Blvd.
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84120
> wrk 801-982-3081
> mbl 801-628-6058
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Waow !!! A true, live Oracle 6 database ?

AFAIK, PCTINCREASE has been hard-coded to 0 for rollback segments since
the beginnings of Oracle 7.

Concerning your question, it all depends on where your existing rollback
segments are located in the datafile (look at dba_extents). All you have
to do is drop and recreate each roolback segment in tirn.

Now, if this really is an Oracle6 database, RESIZE doesn't work ...

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RE: Reducing rollback segment tablespace sizes

2003-11-17 Thread Michael Milligan
Daniel,

Thank you very much. I'll do what you suggested, on both counts. I'll try
shrinking them more first, then create new ones if needed.

Thanks again,

Mike

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Micheal,

Could you shrink the rbs even smaller? This should work if the first two
extents of each rbs are in the 'first' blocks of the datafile. If not, the
best
solution is to create new smaller ones as you drop the others and then
resize.
Regardless of the solution, do this during a slow time to reduce the chance
of
a 1555.

Daniel Fink

Michael Milligan wrote:

> I have a client where rollback segments were set up RBS01-RBS05, all in a
> tablespace called RBS. The person who set it up set %INCREASE at 50%.
Well,
> I shrank the segments to themselves down to less than 500MB total from
> 4.6GB! But in using ALTER DATABASE DATAFILE . . . RESIZE  . . . it won't
let
> me resize it at all (it has extents scattered throughout). Anyone know how
I
> go about shrinking it? Do I have to create a new tablespace/datafile, then
> drop the old one?
>
> TIA,
>
> Michael Milligan
> Oracle DBA
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reporting database

2003-11-17 Thread Sai Selvaganesan
hi
data movement for a reporting database from a OLTP intensive db is what i am 
interested in. 


Re: how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

2003-11-17 Thread Denny Koovakattu

  We can buy machines with the CPUs installed but turned off and only activate
them when needed. I don't think we need to license Oracle for the CPUs that are
turned off.

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> Actually, I believe it is even more restrictive than that.
> 
> It doesn't matter how many CPU's are in the machine, what matters
> is how many CPU's the machine is capable of holding.
> 
> So what they are really licensing is not the # of CPU's, but 
> the class of the machine.
> 
> Try digging in the archives, this has been discussed recently.
> 
> Jared
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Hi!
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> You should check the licensing agreements first, AFAIK you need a licence
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Re: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-17 Thread Tanel Poder



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RE: reporting database

2003-11-17 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Sai - All data in the database? How large, how active is the source
database?

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hi
data movement for a reporting database from a OLTP intensive db is what i am
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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Tanel Poder
The "fun" part is that if the database will perform better after recreation
for some reason, then the HP guys (and probably your bosses) will tell you,
"we said so" or smth like that :)

Of course when performance goes bad again after a week, HP guys will
probably ask for a block size change + db reorg ;)

Tanel.

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> No characterset changed yet. They want us to recreate the database. the
> system is going live in a few weeks. I simply hate changing things because
> someone says so. It might be the quickest solution, but most probably not,
> and then it's a waste of time, energy etc.
>
> >Here's a wild guess. If the character set is changed, a 10 MB segment
> >(from the
> >first extent to high water mark) may become 20 MB or 5 MB. Then CBO
> >changes the
> >plan and it happens to be a bad one.
> >
> >Yong Huang
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Re: how can I make Oracle not use all processors in machine?

2003-11-17 Thread Brian Haas
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Actually, I believe it is even more restrictive than that.

It doesn't matter how many CPU's are in the machine, what matters
is how many CPU's the machine is capable of holding.
So what they are really licensing is not the # of CPU's, but
the class of the machine.
Try digging in the archives, this has been discussed recently.

Jared


We've licensed servers with less cpu's than they hold. According to our Oracle 
rep, this is fine. Number of actual cpu's only. Of course they like to check up 
to make sure you haven't added any recently ;)

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RE: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread Goulet, Dick
I really hate to admit it, but I agree.  Doing otherwise is a simple recipe for 
hypertension, stroke & an early death.  Besides, it's so much more gratifying be 
able to say "I TOLD YOU SO".

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NEW: Second part of row level security paper

2003-11-17 Thread Pete Finnigan
Hi Everyone,

The second part of my new paper on row level security is out today. This
part talks about the issues with row level security, the dictionary
views that can be used to check configuration and also how to detect if
row level security is used using trace and sql. There is a link to this
paper at http://www.petefinnigan.com/orasec.htm if anyone is interested.

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RE: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Gabriel Aragon
Ok, guys I have to apologize twice, 

First: the delay to answer your very kind emails, (you
know the urgent problems dont let you time for the
important ones) 

Second: maybe my question was not clear enough,
ciertanly what Bambi says is what I need "give me all
the usrs where there exists a record containing 1 AND
5 AND 7", the criteria was the list, not the records,
so it does not matter if the user has many more
records, but if he/she has those records that are in
the list, that is what I want, the solution is as
simple as Bambi's query.

I really really appreciate all the solutions provided
for you guys, I swear I tested every one.

Below I have a copy of my original email.

Thank you very much!
Gabriel Aragon

+++
I have a table like this:

Usr  val
--
GAP  1
GAP  5
GAP  7
JKL  8
JKL  5

I need a query that returns the user (GAP o JKL) that
has ALL the values in a list. Example: Having the
list: 1,5,7 the result will be GAP, but with the
values 1,5 or 1,5,7,8 there will be no result.

select distinct usr from xxx 
where val = All (1,3,5)

I was trying the ALL operator but it works with part
of the list, I need the user that has (exactly) all
the values in the list. Any idea?

Maybe it's a simple solution, but after several hours
I feel blocked.

Gabriel
+++


--- "Bellow, Bambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jacques --
> 
> Huh?  I thought the question was, "give me all the
> usrs where there exists a
> record containing a 1,5, and 7".  How can that
> return one record, when there
> are two users -- and only two users -- who have the
> 1,5,7 combination?  The
> data provided shows that both GAP and GPA have a 1,
> 5 and 7 and that no
> other users do.  My query provides that answer.  If
> that wasn't the
> question, then that won't be the answer; but if it
> *was* the question, then
> the query is correct.  
> 
> HTH,
> Bambi.
> =
> 
> create table gab (usr char(3),val number);
> insert into gab values ('GAP',1);
> insert into gab values ('GAP',5);
> insert into gab values ('GAP',5);
> insert into gab values ('GAP',7);
> insert into gab values ('PAG',1);
> insert into gab values ('PAG',7);
> insert into gab values ('PAG',2);
> insert into gab values ('JKL',1);
> insert into gab values ('JKL',5);
> insert into gab values ('JKL',5);
> insert into gab values ('GPA',1);
> insert into gab values ('GPA',5);
> insert into gab values ('GPA',7);
> insert into gab values ('GPA',8);
> 
>  select usr from gab
>  where val=1
>  intersect
>  select usr from gab
>  where val=5
>  intersect
>  select usr from gab
>  where val=7;
> 
> USR
> ---
> GAP
> GPA
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > Bellow, Bambi
> > 
> > Why not do it like this...
> > 
> > select usr from gab
> > where val=1
> > intersect
> > select usr from gab 
> > where val=5
> > intersect
> > select usr from gab
> > where val=7;
> 
> 
> Because that way you would get the wrong answer.
> With the sample data as
> kindly provided by Mr. Begun the correct query would
> return one row, but
> your query returns two rows.
> SQL> select * from gab ;
> 
> USR  VAL
> -- -
> GAP1
> GAP5
> GAP5
> GAP7
> PAG1
> PAG7
> PAG2
> JKL1
> JKL5
> JKL5
> GPA1
> GPA5
> GPA7
> GPA8
> 
> 14 ligne(s) sélectionnée(s).
> 
> SQL> select usr from gab
>   2  where val=1
>   3  intersect
>   4  select usr from gab 
>   5  where val=5
>   6  intersect
>   7  select usr from gab
>   8  where val=7;
> 
> USR
> --
> GAP
> GPA
> -- 



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Re: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Vladimir Begun
Jacques Kilchoer wrote:
> Mr. Begun: I'm not convinced that your answer is quite the right one.
I've provided two solutions but I'm still confused :). Jacques, does
that mean that I understand English and the original query was Ok? :)
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Re: Bad performance because of wrong characterset?

2003-11-17 Thread zhu chao
Hi,
Since everyone is just guessing, can you say more detail about the bad 
performance? High CPU usage with no idle so client wait for CPU time? or Low CPu usage 
but client still wait? or High disk io rate with 100% disk busy? 
Can you show us some data about your aix box and statspack of your current 
database?

Zhu Chao.

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> Hi List,
> 
> One of my customers gets HP Servicedesk 4.5 implemented. The database that
> has been created by on of the DBA's for the application is Oracle 8.1.7.4,
> on AIX 4.3.
> 
> The database has characterset UTF8, which is the standard here.
> 
> Now ServiceDesk has bad performance. HP claims that the characterset is
> wrong, and a new database has to be created with character set
> WE8ISO8859P15.
> 
> I've never heard of bad performance due to differences in character sets,
> probably because of my lack of experience. Anyone familiar with this
> issue?
> 
> TIA, Carel-Jan
> 
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Re: Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread zhu chao
Hi,
 I have also been researching on how to monitor oracle process memory utilization 
on different platform . And on hp, it seems more difficult. 
 I once see a note on metalink talking about using kernel debugger on HP to detect 
it, here is a sample output, but I do not know the detailed meaning of different part. 
Hope some HP expert can answer it here.
 Oracle version is 9.2.0.1 and SGA is 840396160 bytes. 
$ ps -ef|grep 12436
  oracle 12436 1  0  Nov  8  ? 0:47 ora_pmon_mimidb
  oracle 21385 21369  0 10:31:33 pts/ta0:00 grep 12436
$top result:
 TTY PID UID   PRI NI   SIZERES STATETIME %WCPU  %CPU COMMAND
  ? 2454 101   154 20  3676K  1036K sleep0:10  0.02  0.02 tnslsnr
  ?12436 101   152 20 69696K 20332K run  0:47  0.02  0.02 ora_pmon_mimidb
  ?12438 101   156 20 69952K 21400K sleep0:58  0.02  0.02 ora_dbw0_mimidb

# q4pxdb /stand/vmunix

Processing Header Section...
Processing GNTT Section...
Processing LNTT Section...
Procedures: 0
Processing SLT...
Sorting Quick Lookup Tables...
Re-writing ELF file...
Done.
# 
# ied q4 /stand/vmunix /dev/mem
@(#) q4 $Revision: 1.79a $ $Date: 97/09/08 12:00:22 $ 0
q4: (warning) no modules in the crashdump or no INDEX file
q4: (warning) q4 will try to read /dev/kmem for kernel access
Reading kernel symbols ...
Reading kernel data types ...
/dev/mem: can't validate: expected size or checksum not available.
Dump data may not be correct.
Initialized PA-RISC 2.0 address translator ...
Initializing stack tracer ...
Get the latest Q4 news by typing "news".
q4> load struct proc from proc max nproc 
loaded 276 struct proc's as an array (stopped by max count)
q4> keep p_pid ==12436
kept 1 of 276 struct proc's, discarded 275
q4> 
q4> load struct vas from p_vas 
loaded 1 struct vas as an array (stopped by max count)
q4> load struct pregion from va_ll.lle_prev next p_ll.lle_prev max 100 
loaded 54 struct pregion's as a linked list (stopped by loop)
q4> print -x p_type p_space p_vaddr p_count | more 
PT_SHMEM 0x427bc00 0xc400 0x33178 --sga size=833088K
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc040 0x549 
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc024 0x76
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc014 0xfb
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc012 0x15
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00f 0x26
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00e8000 0x7
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00d 0x16
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00c4000 0x7
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc004 0x83
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc0038000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc0034000 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc003 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc002c000 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc002a000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc000 0x28
PT_STACK 0x44eb800 0x837f 0x10
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fffc00 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fffbffe000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fff800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fff400 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fff000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffec07c000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffec00 0x7c
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe4045000 0x8
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe400 0x45
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffdc004000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffdc00 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffd800 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffd400 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffd000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffcc00 0x3
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc800f000 0xe
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc800 0xf
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc400 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc000 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffbc00 0x2000
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb4018000 0x7
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb400 0x18
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffac005000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffac00 0x5
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffa800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffa400 0x2
PT_DATA 0x44eb800 0x8001 0x400
PT_UAREA 0xd37f800 0x43ff 0x8
PT_UAREA 0xae9c000 0x43ff 0x8
PT_TEXT 0xbe50c00 0x4000 0x4000 13864*4K pages = 686811728 Bytes
--$ size `which oracle`
--67108864 + 2097152 + 80320 = 69286336

PT_MMAP 0x5893000 0xc003f000 0x1
PT_NULLDREF 0x5893000 0 0x1
0 0 0x41bafb00 0x41bafb00

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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:59 PM


> Gogala,
> 
> I've been searching for a /proc filesystem implementation on HPUX for years. I
> don't think it's there yet.
> 
> Yong Huang
> 
> --- Mladen Gogala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Your process has parts of SGA attached to it. The only way to actually find
> > out
> > is to examine the process address space wia kernel debugger or /proc file
> > system. First, try with ps -lp  and see how big is the RSS (resident set
> > size).
> > On 11/17/2003 02:09:26 AM, "Daiminger, Helmut" 

Re: Why is Oracle process using 25 MB of RAM when idle?

2003-11-17 Thread Mladen Gogala
Well, the last number is, obviously, the size of the area. Only the maps of  
shared memory, text and data are of some interest. Text is, in case of an  
oracle process,  $ORACLE_HOME/bin/oracle and you don't have any influence
over it. The "data" section are the auxiliary structures. If you are running  
dedicated servers, it's where sort area, hash area, cursor statuses and alike
are stored.  Shmem is, of course, SGA. From the listing you gave us, I'd  
conclude that you're OK because SGA is by far the largest and everything else  
seems very small.

On 2003.11.17 21:34, zhu chao wrote:
Hi,
 I have also been researching on how to monitor oracle process memory
utilization on different platform . And on hp, it seems more difficult.
 I once see a note on metalink talking about using kernel debugger on HP
to detect it, here is a sample output, but I do not know the detailed  
meaning
of different part. Hope some HP expert can answer it here.
 Oracle version is 9.2.0.1 and SGA is 840396160 bytes.
$ ps -ef|grep 12436
  oracle 12436 1  0  Nov  8  ? 0:47 ora_pmon_mimidb
  oracle 21385 21369  0 10:31:33 pts/ta0:00 grep 12436
$top result:
 TTY PID UID   PRI NI   SIZERES STATETIME %WCPU  %CPU  
COMMAND
  ? 2454 101   154 20  3676K  1036K sleep0:10  0.02  0.02  
tnslsnr
  ?12436 101   152 20 69696K 20332K run  0:47  0.02  0.02
ora_pmon_mimidb
  ?12438 101   156 20 69952K 21400K sleep0:58  0.02  0.02
ora_dbw0_mimidb

# q4pxdb /stand/vmunix

Processing Header Section...
Processing GNTT Section...
Processing LNTT Section...
Procedures: 0
Processing SLT...
Sorting Quick Lookup Tables...
Re-writing ELF file...
Done.
#
# ied q4 /stand/vmunix /dev/mem
@(#) q4 $Revision: 1.79a $ $Date: 97/09/08 12:00:22 $ 0
q4: (warning) no modules in the crashdump or no INDEX file
q4: (warning) q4 will try to read /dev/kmem for kernel access
Reading kernel symbols ...
Reading kernel data types ...
/dev/mem: can't validate: expected size or checksum not available.
Dump data may not be correct.
Initialized PA-RISC 2.0 address translator ...
Initializing stack tracer ...
Get the latest Q4 news by typing "news".
q4> load struct proc from proc max nproc
loaded 276 struct proc's as an array (stopped by max count)
q4> keep p_pid ==12436
kept 1 of 276 struct proc's, discarded 275
q4>
q4> load struct vas from p_vas
loaded 1 struct vas as an array (stopped by max count)
q4> load struct pregion from va_ll.lle_prev next p_ll.lle_prev max 100
loaded 54 struct pregion's as a linked list (stopped by loop)
q4> print -x p_type p_space p_vaddr p_count | more
PT_SHMEM 0x427bc00 0xc400 0x33178 --sga size=833088K
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc040 0x549
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc024 0x76
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc014 0xfb
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc012 0x15
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00f 0x26
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00e8000 0x7
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00d 0x16
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc00c4000 0x7
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc004 0x83
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc0038000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc0034000 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc003 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc002c000 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc002a000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x427bc00 0xc000 0x28
PT_STACK 0x44eb800 0x837f 0x10
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fffc00 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fffbffe000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fff800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fff400 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83fff000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffec07c000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffec00 0x7c
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe4045000 0x8
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe400 0x45
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffe000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffdc004000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffdc00 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffd800 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffd400 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffd000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffcc00 0x3
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc800f000 0xe
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc800 0xf
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc400 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffc000 0x4
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffbc00 0x2000
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb4018000 0x7
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb400 0x18
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffb000 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffac005000 0x1
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffac00 0x5
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffa800 0x2
PT_MMAP 0x44eb800 0x83ffa400 0x2
PT_DATA 0x44eb800 0x8001 0x400
PT_UAREA 0xd37f800 0x43ff 0x8
PT_UAREA 0xae9c000 0x43ff 0x8
PT_TEXT 0xbe50c00 0x4000 0x4000 13864*4K pages = 686811728 Bytes
--$ size `which oracle`
--67108864 + 2097152 + 80320 = 69286336
PT_MMAP 0x5893000 0xc003f000 0x1
PT_NULLDREF 0x5893000 0 0x1
0 0 0x41bafb00 0x41bafb00
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To: "Multiple 

RE: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Mr. Begun,
I didn't answer your comment about making the query work with the decode vs. using a 
user-written PL/SQL function because I wanted to compare timings for both. I created a 
table with 200,000 rows and compared the VB (Vladimir Begun) query to the JRK (my) 
query. The runtimes were identical (using SET TIMING ON in SQL*Plus).
I agree that PL/SQL isn't necessary but I think it's easier to read, and the 
performance is the same. So there!

In any case Ms. Bellows had a correct solution, which I mistakenly thought was false, 
so all this was just an intellectual exercise.

With a 4-element list
execute :list := '3,4,5,6,'
SET TIMING ON results: VB query 11.87 JRK query: 11.67 (each query was run twice)

If you don't "hardcode" the number of elements in the list in the 'AND cnt = ' clause, 
the times were slightly longer but still the same: 14.71 vs. 14.32

VB query:
SELECT usr
   FROM (
 SELECT DISTINCT usr, val, COUNT(DISTINCT val) OVER (PARTITION BY usr) cnt
   FROM gab
)
  WHERE val IN (SELECT DISTINCT element FROM (
   SELECT TO_NUMBER(SUBSTR(:list, p, c - p)) element
 FROM (
  SELECT DECODE(ROWNUM - 1, 0, 1, INSTR(:list, ',', 1, ROWNUM - 1) + 1) p
   , INSTR(:list, ',', 1, ROWNUM) c
FROM gab
   WHERE ROWNUM <= LENGTH(TRANSLATE(:list, ',0123456789-E', ','))
  )
)
)
AND cnt = 4 -- it's "for nothing", because count can be give by caller
  GROUP BY
usr
  , cnt
HAVING COUNT(*) = 4 ;


JRK query:
select a.usr
 from
  (select distinct
  b.usr, b.val, count (distinct b.val) over (partition by b.usr) cnt
from gab b
  ) a
 where
   val in (select *
 from
   the (select
   cast (str_to_tbl (:num_list) as my_number_table)
 from dual
)
)
   and cnt = 4
 group by
   usr, cnt
 having
   count(*) = cnt ;


Test data creation:
drop table gab;
create table gab
   (usr varchar2(10) not null, val number not null) ;
declare
   insert_cnt constant pls_integer := 20 ;
   commit_cnt constant pls_integer := 2000 ;
   i pls_integer ;
   j pls_integer ;
   k pls_integer ;
   l pls_integer ;
   n pls_integer ;
   usr gab.usr%type ;

   type usrt is table of gab.usr%type index by binary_integer ;
   usra usrt ;
   type valt is table of gab.val%type index by binary_integer ;
   vala valt ;

begin
   dbms_random.initialize (dbms_utility.get_time) ;
   i := 1 ;
   while i <= insert_cnt
   loop
  usr := chr (ascii ('A') + mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 26))
 || chr (ascii ('A') + mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 26))
 || chr (ascii ('A') + mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 26)) ;
  n := mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 5) + 1 ;
  j := mod (i - 1, commit_cnt) + 1 ;
  k := least (commit_cnt, j + n - 1) ;
  for l in j..k
  loop
 usra (l) := usr ;
 vala (l) := mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 9) + 1 ;
  end loop ;
  i := i + k - j + 1 ;
  if k >= commit_cnt or i >= insert_cnt
  then
 forall m in 1..k
insert into gab (usr, val)
values (usra (m), vala (m)) ;
 commit ;
  end if ;
   end loop ;
   commit ;
end ;
/
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Re: Silly SQL Question

2003-11-17 Thread Vladimir Begun
Jacques,

you can use my first name -- "Mr." is too official for this list :). You have modified 
the query,
however I would suggest you to check execution plan (and present it here) and remove
LENGTH(TRANSLATE(:list, ',0123456789-E', ',')) by replacing it using number of 
elements in the
list i.e., in your case, 4. As I already said, it was just an example, in real life I 
would think
is it Ok or not Ok to use it.
Timing is not everything you can check, consider statisticts. Did you consider 
indexing val?
--
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The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and
do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation.


Jacques Kilchoer wrote:
Mr. Begun,
I didn't answer your comment about making the query work with the decode vs. using a 
user-written PL/SQL function because I wanted to compare timings for both. I created a 
table with 200,000 rows and compared the VB (Vladimir Begun) query to the JRK (my) 
query. The runtimes were identical (using SET TIMING ON in SQL*Plus).
I agree that PL/SQL isn't necessary but I think it's easier to read, and the 
performance is the same. So there!
In any case Ms. Bellows had a correct solution, which I mistakenly thought was false, so all this was just an intellectual exercise.

With a 4-element list
execute :list := '3,4,5,6,'
SET TIMING ON results: VB query 11.87 JRK query: 11.67 (each query was run twice)
If you don't "hardcode" the number of elements in the list in the 'AND cnt = ' clause, the times were slightly longer but still the same: 14.71 vs. 14.32

VB query:
SELECT usr
   FROM (
 SELECT DISTINCT usr, val, COUNT(DISTINCT val) OVER (PARTITION BY usr) cnt
   FROM gab
)
  WHERE val IN (SELECT DISTINCT element FROM (
   SELECT TO_NUMBER(SUBSTR(:list, p, c - p)) element
 FROM (
  SELECT DECODE(ROWNUM - 1, 0, 1, INSTR(:list, ',', 1, ROWNUM - 1) + 1) p
   , INSTR(:list, ',', 1, ROWNUM) c
FROM gab
   WHERE ROWNUM <= LENGTH(TRANSLATE(:list, ',0123456789-E', ','))
  )
)
)
AND cnt = 4 -- it's "for nothing", because count can be give by caller
  GROUP BY
usr
  , cnt
HAVING COUNT(*) = 4 ;
JRK query:
select a.usr
 from
  (select distinct
  b.usr, b.val, count (distinct b.val) over (partition by b.usr) cnt
from gab b
  ) a
 where
   val in (select *
 from
   the (select
   cast (str_to_tbl (:num_list) as my_number_table)
 from dual
)
)
   and cnt = 4
 group by
   usr, cnt
 having
   count(*) = cnt ;
Test data creation:
drop table gab;
create table gab
   (usr varchar2(10) not null, val number not null) ;
declare
   insert_cnt constant pls_integer := 20 ;
   commit_cnt constant pls_integer := 2000 ;
   i pls_integer ;
   j pls_integer ;
   k pls_integer ;
   l pls_integer ;
   n pls_integer ;
   usr gab.usr%type ;
   type usrt is table of gab.usr%type index by binary_integer ;
   usra usrt ;
   type valt is table of gab.val%type index by binary_integer ;
   vala valt ;
begin
   dbms_random.initialize (dbms_utility.get_time) ;
   i := 1 ;
   while i <= insert_cnt
   loop
  usr := chr (ascii ('A') + mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 26))
 || chr (ascii ('A') + mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 26))
 || chr (ascii ('A') + mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 26)) ;
  n := mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 5) + 1 ;
  j := mod (i - 1, commit_cnt) + 1 ;
  k := least (commit_cnt, j + n - 1) ;
  for l in j..k
  loop
 usra (l) := usr ;
 vala (l) := mod (abs (dbms_random.random), 9) + 1 ;
  end loop ;
  i := i + k - j + 1 ;
  if k >= commit_cnt or i >= insert_cnt
  then
 forall m in 1..k
insert into gab (usr, val)
values (usra (m), vala (m)) ;
 commit ;
  end if ;
   end loop ;
   commit ;
end ;
/
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OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202

2003-11-17 Thread Rhojel_Echano



I would like to make an application in OAS 408 to connect to an 817 database. When I try to create a DAD to establish this connection, I get this error: "OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202: TNS internal navigation error". Can anyone enlighten me on what these errors mean and how to work around it? 
DB is 8.1.7.1.1 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net version 8.1.7.1.0. 
Application Server is OAS 408 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net version 8.0.5. 
Any help would be appreciated. 

Best Regards, 
Rhojel Echano 



Re: OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202

2003-11-17 Thread Melanie Caffrey
Hi Rhojel,

8.1.7 comes with the 9iAS installed automatically as
part of the regular software install.

May I ask why you're using OAS?

Regards,
Melanie

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like to make an application in OAS 408 to
> connect to an 817 
> database. When I try to create a DAD to establish
> this connection, I get 
> this error: "OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202: TNS
> internal navigation 
> error". Can anyone enlighten me on what these errors
> mean and how to work 
> around it? 
> DB is 8.1.7.1.1 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net version
> 8.1.7.1.0. 
> Application Server is OAS 408 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net
> version 8.0.5. 
> Any help would be appreciated. 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> Rhojel Echano 
> 
> 


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Client-server Forms6i against Oracle 9i (9.2.0.4) database?

2003-11-17 Thread Don Granaman
Is it possible to run Forms6i in client-server mode against an Oracle
9.2.0.4 database?  One of the developers where I work flatly states that
Forms 6i (in any mode) doesn't work against (any) Oracle 9i and I cannot
find any specific information either confirming or denying this assertion.
Searches on Metalink and Google both came up with nothing of relevance.  I
would assume that with an Oracle8i client it shouldn't be a problem, but I
haven't worked with Forms at all since v3.0 and she is adamant that it is
simply impossible - with no explanation of why.

Don Granaman - OraSaurus

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Re: Clean temporary tablespace

2003-11-17 Thread VirVit
Well, I mean that OS (w2k) file size of temp01.ora grows faster... I've
setup multimaster replication and as a result got temporary tablespace about
10 Gb. OEM shows that used only about 1Gb, so others 9Gb are gone. I wanna
to free them for my purposes.


> Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by
> 'it grows up faster and faster'.
>
> What exactly does that mean, what script or tool is
> showing you that, what is its output, and why is
> it a problem?
>
> Restarting the database seems extreme advice for
> such a meager description of a problem.


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Listener without IPC

2003-11-17 Thread VirVit
What will happens if I remove all occurence of IPC protocol from
communication level, i.e. Listener? Can U work only over TCP/IP?

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Re: OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202

2003-11-17 Thread Rhojel_Echano

Hi Melanie,

This was how the application was implemented in my new company, they used OAS 408.
 Still gettingfamiliar with their application.. this is what happened: I transferred the dev DB 
to another host for maintenance purposes and when I tried to configure a DAD 
for that DB in OAS, I got that error.
BTW, I thought 817 comes with some AS components only (like Apache)? 
Anyway, thanks for taking the time.

Best Regards,
Rhojel






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Hi Rhojel,

8.1.7 comes with the 9iAS installed automatically as
part of the regular software install.

May I ask why you're using OAS?

Regards,
Melanie

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> I would like to make an application in OAS 408 to
> connect to an 817 
> database. When I try to create a DAD to establish
> this connection, I get 
> this error: "OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202: TNS
> internal navigation 
> error". Can anyone enlighten me on what these errors
> mean and how to work 
> around it? 
> DB is 8.1.7.1.1 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net version
> 8.1.7.1.0. 
> Application Server is OAS 408 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net
> version 8.0.5. 
> Any help would be appreciated. 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> Rhojel Echano 
> 
> 


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RE: Client-server Forms6i against Oracle 9i (9.2.0.4) database?

2003-11-17 Thread Richard Oliver Jones

Hi Don

We have moved to oracle 9i (9.2.0.3) and are running Forms6i without any
problem. According to the Metalink certification matrix Forms 6i patch
set 13 and above are certified with Oracle 9.2 (or 9i). The matrix does
not distinguish between minor releases of Oracle (i.e. 9.2.0.3 and
9.2.0.4).

HTH

Richard Jones
Aramco 

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Don Granaman
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Is it possible to run Forms6i in client-server mode against an Oracle
9.2.0.4 database?  One of the developers where I work flatly states that
Forms 6i (in any mode) doesn't work against (any) Oracle 9i and I cannot
find any specific information either confirming or denying this
assertion.
Searches on Metalink and Google both came up with nothing of relevance.
I
would assume that with an Oracle8i client it shouldn't be a problem, but
I
haven't worked with Forms at all since v3.0 and she is adamant that it
is
simply impossible - with no explanation of why.

Don Granaman - OraSaurus

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Re: OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202

2003-11-17 Thread Melanie Caffrey
Hi Rhojel,

I'm sure you know this, but that error message usually
leads you straight to Oracle support.

Are the protocols on each box the same?  Are the
sqlnet.ora files the same?  Or do they at least each
have AUTOMATIC_IPC set to OFF?

Regards,
Melanie

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Melanie,
> 
> This was how the application was implemented in my
> new company, they used 
> OAS 408.
>  Still gettingfamiliar with their application.. this
> is what happened: I 
> transferred the dev DB 
> to another host for maintenance purposes and when I
> tried to configure a 
> DAD 
> for that DB in OAS, I got that error.
> BTW, I thought 817 comes with some AS components
> only (like Apache)? 
> Anyway, thanks for taking the time.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Rhojel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Melanie Caffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> ORA-12202
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> 
> Hi Rhojel,
> 
> 8.1.7 comes with the 9iAS installed automatically as
> part of the regular software install.
> 
> May I ask why you're using OAS?
> 
> Regards,
> Melanie
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I would like to make an application in OAS 408 to
> > connect to an 817 
> > database. When I try to create a DAD to establish
> > this connection, I get 
> > this error: "OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202: TNS
> > internal navigation 
> > error". Can anyone enlighten me on what these
> errors
> > mean and how to work 
> > around it? 
> > DB is 8.1.7.1.1 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net version
> > 8.1.7.1.0. 
> > Application Server is OAS 408 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net
> > version 8.0.5. 
> > Any help would be appreciated. 
> > 
> > Best Regards, 
> > Rhojel Echano 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202

2003-11-17 Thread Rhojel_Echano

Hi Melanie,

Yup, I've checked all that. I guess that's the only option I have right now (Oracle support).
There's not much documentation for this error in Metalink, I guess they want us to go to them
directly on this one..=) But I'll do some double checking on those points that you've mentioned..
for the third time! =)
If you have other ideas please let me know..

Thanks a lot.
Rhojel






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Hi Rhojel,

I'm sure you know this, but that error message usually
leads you straight to Oracle support.

Are the protocols on each box the same?  Are the
sqlnet.ora files the same?  Or do they at least each
have AUTOMATIC_IPC set to OFF?

Regards,
Melanie

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Melanie,
> 
> This was how the application was implemented in my
> new company, they used 
> OAS 408.
>  Still gettingfamiliar with their application.. this
> is what happened: I 
> transferred the dev DB 
> to another host for maintenance purposes and when I
> tried to configure a 
> DAD 
> for that DB in OAS, I got that error.
> BTW, I thought 817 comes with some AS components
> only (like Apache)? 
> Anyway, thanks for taking the time.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Rhojel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Melanie Caffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 11/18/2003 12:14 PM
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> ORA-12202
> 
> 
> Hi Rhojel,
> 
> 8.1.7 comes with the 9iAS installed automatically as
> part of the regular software install.
> 
> May I ask why you're using OAS?
> 
> Regards,
> Melanie
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I would like to make an application in OAS 408 to
> > connect to an 817 
> > database. When I try to create a DAD to establish
> > this connection, I get 
> > this error: "OWS-05566 caused by ORA-12202: TNS
> > internal navigation 
> > error". Can anyone enlighten me on what these
> errors
> > mean and how to work 
> > around it? 
> > DB is 8.1.7.1.1 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net version
> > 8.1.7.1.0. 
> > Application Server is OAS 408 on WinNT 4 SP6a, Net
> > version 8.0.5. 
> > Any help would be appreciated. 
> > 
> > Best Regards, 
> > Rhojel Echano 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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